Chi

[michael2]

Hello ,

what is this Chi, David described?

He wrote an atomic fluid was injected at acupuncture points, giving a picture of the chi system in the human body.

Where did this fluid wander around? Is the Chi-system the nerve-system?

Does anyone know?

[ho1ogram]

G'day mate. I sort of know what it is and it aint the nervous system. If you do an internet search on it you'll be able to research it yourself. In fact I might do that myself (the only way I can describe it is as a 'life force/energy' but that is a pretty simple and dumbed down explanation.)
Cheers
h. :)

[thoth]

A little different to the nervous system, but definitely connected. More like a grid connecting the chakras to the etheric system which is superimposed over your 'physical' body.

[mara of the acoma]

Hi Michael

Chi is life energy and flows through everything. It has lots of other names - prana, Ki, orgone energy etc.

Here is an article and diagram about the pathways in the human body:

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~maa1/chi/philos/pathways.htm

[michael]

What is it, in the human body? It must be something, if it can be tracked (by radioactive substance). What are these channels?

Blood, nerve system

[mara of the acoma]

What is it, in the human body? It must be something, if it can be tracked (by radioactive substance). What are these channels?

Blood, nerve system

Well it isn't a "thing", like the blood and nerves. It's a force, energy, that which gives life. The best analogy I can think of is that trying to describe chi to a person is like trying to describe water to a fish.

I've never heard of this tracking chi by radioactive substance...

But if you check the link I left above you will see a diagram of the meridians through which chi courses through the body.

The meridians of chi:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/~maa1/chi/philos/pathways.htm

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~maa1/chi/taichi/anterior.gif

Traditional Chinese medicine theorizes that meridians conduct energy, or chi (or 'qi' pronounced "chee") throughout the body.

Tai Chi may be regarded as a Traditional Chinese medicine practice along with acupuncture, herbs, diet, massage etc. as meditative physical exercise intended to promote or improve the flow of chi.

Chi is believed to regulate spiritual, emotional, mental, and physical balance and to be influenced by the opposing forces of yin and yang.

When yin and yang are balanced, they work together with the natural flow of chi to help the body achieve and maintain health.

Chi passes through the body following invisible pathways, or channels, called Meridians (Chinese: Jingluo). Jing means "channels" and Luo means "collateral".

Traditional Chinese medicine identifies 20 of these 'pathways' along which of chi or vital energy may 'flow' or circulate through to all parts of the body.

The 8 primary or main meridians are those which pass through the five pairs of vital organs.

These are the lung and large intestine; the stomach and spleen/pancreas; the heart and small intestine; the bladder and kidneys; the gall bladder and liver.

12 Secondary meridians 'network' to extremities and limbs such as ears, arms, feet etc.

Chi 'flows' from one meridian to the next in a continuous loop or circuit.


The lung meridian ends close to where the large intestine meridian starts; and where the large intestine meridian finishes the stomach meridian begins, and so on.

The Yin and Yang meridians are the two most important or central. These orbit north to south along the midline of the body. The yin meridians are in the front (anterior trunk) and inside body surfaces; whilst the yang meridians are in the back (posterior trunk) and outside body surfaces.


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The action of chi is often associated with electrical and magnetic effects, which seem to be side-effects rather than the main active principles.

Electricity comes to us both as: 1) high voltage, low current energy - as with high voltage cable lines where electricity travels for miles with little power expenditure; and 2) as low voltage, high current house energy - which can turn an electric fire element red-hot almost instantly. Chi therefore may also manifest in different "currents" and "voltages".

The "low voltage, high current" type has much stronger physical effects than the "high voltage, low current" type. This second type is considered to be much more ethereal in nature and linked with pure spirit and transcendent experiences. So, as well as the task of accumulating the chi, there is also the process of refining it by raising its "voltage / current" and establishing connections to more expanded, penetrative levels of consciousness.

Chi can be developed , and directed around the body, through the conscious (intention) linking of breathing and physical movement.

This is often first felt in the hands as warmth, tingling and heaviness. With further practice the chi begins to be felt in the arms, the legs and throughout the body.

Chi can be generated and accumulated (usually stored in the Tan Tien, or lower abdomen and pelvis) in the body to increase the overall capacity for all forms of action or experience.

In many chi-development exercises, the body (with its correct poise assumed) is moved in easy fluid patterns, which harmonise with the natural motions of the body’s muscular and skeletal structure. The rhythm of the breath is allowed to link with the movement, and the mind is called into play by imagining the breath as the flow of chi (which may be visualized as a golden fluid) through and beyond the body parts involved in the movement. The awareness is concentrated without tension and fully open to the whole field of action.

TCM healing methods apply the direction of chi to an affected part of the body, acting as a means of catalysing the body’s own processes in order to restore proper functioning.


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Western scientists have found meridians hard to identify because they do not directly correspond to nerve or blood circulation pathways. Some (western) researchers do believe that meridians are located throughout the body's connective tissue; whilst others insist that chi does not exist at all. Such differences of opinion have made this an area of scientific controversy.

Despite these 'differences' western science does confirm that stimulating certain points along these pathways through acupuncture enables electromagnetic signals to be relayed at a greater rate than under normal conditions. These signals may start the flow of painkilling biochemicals, such as endorphins, and of immune system cells to specific sites in the body that are injured or vulnerable to disease.

Further research in this field has also found that several types of opioids may be released into the central nervous system during acupuncture treatment, thereby reducing pain. Other studies have also shown that acupuncture may alter brain chemistry by changing the release of neurotransmitters and neurohormones and that acupuncture has an affect on the parts of the central nervous system related to sensation and involuntary body functions, such as immune reactions and processes whereby a person's blood pressure, blood flow, and body temperature are regulated.

Over the centuries, Chinese physicians have identified specific points (junctions, gates, valves and so on) along the meridians at which the insertion of a needle or the application of pressure could be used to balance and regulate the flow of chi, thus preventing or curing a wide variety of ailments. These points are electromagnetic in character and consist of small, oval cells called Bonham corpuscles that surround the capillaries in the skin, the blood vessels, and the organs throughout the body. Traditional Chinese medicine theorizes that there are more than 2,000 acupuncture points on the human body.

So, whilst studies have documented acupuncture's effects there is still no explanation on how acupuncture works within the framework of the Western system of medicine. The same applies to Tai Chi which is a form of self administered meditative physical exercise intended to promote or improve the flow of chi.

Whilst this author neither confirms or denies either the skeptical western or the enthusiastic eastern perception of chi, this summery supposes that chi, meridians and TCM in general (and Tai Chi in particular) is worthy of consideration as a means of promoting a sense of well being in the practitioner.

[i am all i am]

What is it, in the human body? It must be something, if it can be tracked (by radioactive substance). What are these channels?

Blood, nerve system

Chi is like the description of 'The Force' in Star Wars.

Chi permeates everything, every particle, atom, etc.

The channels in the body include the meridian system (acupuncture points). This is the main system that martial artists develop their chi through.

For further information, google Chi or Qi. You could also get the book 'Qigong, for health and vitality", by Michael Tse. He was taught Wing Chun Kung Fu from the same man that taught Bruce Lee, Grandmaster Yip Man. Last I knew, he was living in England and had a clinic in Harley Street, London and St John Street, Manchester. He also teaches Wing Chun.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[michael]

As I understood, It is not directly the nervesystem, but corresponding.

So it as another system in the body?

I mean, if the put radioactive substance in the human body and tracked the Chi, they should be able to say what it is!

Can you see this system, when you open the body? like venes?

[michael]

I can´t find the word in the dictonary (sorry) What does it mean?

[mara of the acoma]

I can´t find the word in the dictonary (sorry) What does it mean?

etheric = describing that which is nonphysical.

[michael]

Hello Mara,

I feel sad, so it is hard for me to open.

I am a free soul and have no interest to work for a murder-system.

oh




etheric = describing that which is nonphysical.

[tru3]

as a tai chi practioner, the only way to really know if chi is "real" is to experience it for oneself. most wellness centers have classes, at least in my area. but no one is going to go in and light up like a christmas tree; it takes patience and persistence to feel the benefits. had i only know about orgone generators 10 years ago...:D doh!

Balance

Fong, S.M. & Ng, G.Y. (2006). The effects on sensorimotor performance and balance with Tai Chi training. Arch Phys Med Rehabil, 87, 82-7.

METHOD: Forty-eight healthy subjects, 16 with 3 months of experience in Tai Chi training, 16 with 1 to 3 years of experience in Tai Chi training, and 16 with no experience in Tai Chi training were assessed. RESULTS: Long-term Tai Chi practitioners had a significantly faster reflex reaction time in hamstrings and gastrocnemius muscles and a longer balance time on a tilt board than short-term Tai Chi practitioners and nonpractitioners. Both long- and short-term Tai Chi practitioners had significantly less knee joint angle-repositioning error than nonpractitioners.

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Li, F., Harmer, P., Fisher, K.J. & McAuley, E. (2004). Tai Chi: improving functional balance and predicting subsequent falls in older persons. Medical Science Sports and Exercise, 36, 2046-52.

METHOD: Two hundred fifty-six healthy, physically inactive older adults aged 70-92, participated in a 6-month randomized controlled trial, of Tai Chi or exercise stretching, followed by a 6-month postintervention follow-up. Functional balance measures included Berg balance scale, dynamic gait index, and functional reach, assessed during the 6-month intervention period (baseline, 3-month, and 6-month intervention endpoint) and again at the 6-month postintervention follow-up. Fall counts were recorded during the 6-month postintervention follow-up period. RESULTS: Tai Chi participants who showed improvements in measures of functional balance at the intervention endpoint significantly reduced their risk of falls during the 6-month postintervention period, compared with those in the control condition for Berg balance scale; for dynamic gait index; for functional reach.

http://www6.miami.edu/touch-research/TaiChi.htm


Qi and Four Fundamental Forces -- Gravitational, Electromagnetic, Strong, and Weak Interaction Forces


From a qigong perspective, all things in the universe, whether living or non-living, possess qi. Many things are formed under the influence, or transmuting processes, of qi. Thus, qi is interrelated with various sciences, technologies, and highly technical knowledge. Science is familiar with three or four traditional forces; the energy of qi and qigong are related to these types of energy.


From another point of view, the energy of qi likely encompasses the four natural forces, which are defined by the concepts of modern physics. However, the energy of qi probably extends beyond our current understanding of natural forces. Thoughts and imagery created during qigong practice should also be considered as essentially energetic in nature. This concept is not merely my personal analysis, it is also the conclusion of many other professors and experts. The energetic aspects of qi not only deal with or encompass the three or four natural forces recognized by modern science, they are also associated with a different and more special energy, or even multiple energies within the various phenomena (including unrecognized and unexplained phenomena) in the whole universe.


Consider a simple experiment on qigong potential. In this experiment people used their qi to shake pills out of a sealed bottle. However, the intermediate process was undetectable by any available means. The pills passed through the bottle (analogous to conducted experiments in which a person passes through a solid wall), even though the bottle is completely sealed and intact, without any possibility of tampering. There was no way to detect any trace of the phenomenon of energy change. How did the pills pass through the bottle? Since these kinds of phenomena exist, the result and conclusion of the experiment is evidenced, but we cannot determine the intermediate processes. This demonstrates the probable existence of a form of energy associated with qi which transcends the three or four fundamental forces.


As another example, people have observed that all things on earth are influenced by gravitational force; however, "qinggong," the qigong potential of being weightless exists. Has the gravitational force been suspended?


The energetic nature of qi probably covers much more than the meaning of these three or four natural forces, more than our current understanding of "energy" or "power." This subject demands further investigation.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:DvKRdH9yBtwJ:www.item-bioenergy.com/infocenter/ChineseChiResearch.doc+scientific+measurement+of+c hi&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

hard to explain, but anyone can feel it for themselves.

[tru3]

Chi is like the description of 'The Force' in Star Wars.

Chi permeates everything, every particle, atom, etc.

The channels in the body include the meridian system (acupuncture points). This is the main system that martial artists develop their chi through.

For further information, google Chi or Qi. You could also get the book 'Qigong, for health and vitality", by Michael Tse. He was taught Wing Chun Kung Fu from the same man that taught Bruce Lee, Grandmaster Yip Man. Last I knew, he was living in England and had a clinic in Harley Street, London and St John Street, Manchester. He also teaches Wing Chun.


With LOVE.
____________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

my favorite is "Awaken the Universal Healing Light of the Tao", by Mantak Chia. he is very specific on how to access the meridian points in the picture that Mara so kindly posted for us. :)

the characteristics of chi change, or rather our perception of "it". chi is continually picking up the characteristics of its surroundings. i see it as a superconductor of energy; if i'm sick, "my" chi gets cold and dense. if i'm angry, the chi runs hot and fast. it's very much like the ancient notion of "humours" in the west.

as warm-blooded mammals (at least i hope most of us here are, oh dear..:confused: ) we are always collecting or dissapaiting heat internally.

that's one of the reasons that in nature, mammals have dominated the biosphere for the last, oh, 65 million years--that and quite likely a major cataclysm. mammals had some kind of advantage over dinosaurs; we were small, we could burrow underground and maintain our body temperature.

essentially, we could hibernate. we could go to sleep. endure. survive. and then, wake up and adapt to new surroundings. we could change the way we related to others of our kind; no longer were we bound to the rigid programs of the reptilian brain. new connections of nuerons, associations, social structures. most people don't realize, but herds of deer basically choose which watering spot they will visit by majority rule. i'd be happy to provide a link, but just imagine a lizard trying to do that! :D we adapt to change better than they do. if indeed we are in a period of accelerated change as even suggested by the mayan calendar, wouldn't any lizard who valued their hide be scared shitless?

in china, they rip the fingernails out of people who refuse to renounce the practise of falun gong.

wilhelm reich died in federal prison in 1947.

who would benefit from these heinous crimes? what motive could it be? could it be, hmmm, satan? no, it is caused by the fear of personal empowerment, self to Self. that is something that cannot be tolerated in the focus on economies of scale needed to drive the cancerous organ of social and economic growth we have today, and the energy of fear and submission that fuels it.

the wisdom of this energy that we are, the quality of Beingness inherent in it's very makeup, has been so jealously guarded by beings of all stripes (especially wally, by the way ;-) who would use it against us.

imho, it's high time we reclaim our birthright.