The Serpent and the SUN....

[celtic isis]

Serpent and the Sun…The main religions have ALL come from the lands of the Sumer Empire.

« Our December the 25th was Rome’s Natils Solis Invicti - the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - and there was a stream of ‘Jesus’ figures in the thousands of years, before Christianity. «


« Christianity is the Babylonian religion of sun worship and goddess worship in disguise. » David Icke

« The Old Testament is founded on Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian accounts, edited and rewritten as required, to create a manufactured history and religion called Judaism…
The New Testament is based on symbolic stories repeated over and over and over in thousands of years before it was compiled, and these relate to a large extent over the Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian religion of Sun worship and Mystery school rituals. The New Testament texts in turn, created a manufactured religion and history called Christianity… »


Any Christian trolls on here read this chapter in Icke’s new book and shut the hell up. Get over it your religion is paganism and originates out of Babylon (church of Babylon) just like all the other religions round the globe.

That’s why at the Vatican alone you have the symbols of Nimrod (the pine cone, in fact the hugest sculpture of a pine cone in the world stands proudly at the Vatican) and the symbols of both nimrod and semiramis all over the Vatican and Christianity in the architecture and symbols, right down to the holy trinity of the god-child-mother/holy ghost that has been repeated throughout every civilisation ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I have no problem with religion, (in fact my mum was a nun for many years in Canada and lived a life of helping others, caring, showing kindness and concern for others always, an example of a good Christian) if it was used in this way, the way it should be intended i.e. to bring people together, to unite people and to aid in their spiritual development, i would still be catholic now wouldn't i. However, this was never the intended purpose of religion! Religion destroys spirituality, and keeps people trapped in individual mind prisons of their own, «*obey or be damned and go to hell!*» Your god loves you yet he condemns you at the same time! It creates war, divide and conflict.

People follow and look to religion as they are lost, they are lost souls because the very people manipulating behind the scenes, who put the false religious structure in place are monopolising the spiritual knowledge for their own benefit and your demise, while they have you blindly following and interpreting all the fables and Jesus etc figure in a literal way.

Christianity is a sun worship religion, a Babylonian religion where all other religions came! It is also an astrology religion, also condemned by Christianity itself, though it is that very thing!

Greek historian Herodotus said that*Babylon was the source from which all «*idolatry*» came.

Sir Austen Henry Layard, one of the leading British archaeologists of the 19th century said « We have the united testimony of scared and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems. »

The Sabbath day is even celebrated on a SUNday, cause it is the worship of the sun, and with Judaism on Saturday or SAURNDAY or NIMROD-day.

Quoting from Icke’s new book and my own additions in italics:

"The Circle of St Peter’s square in Rome, with its eight rays, represents the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar (which becomes Easter), and the obelisk in the centre is Nimrod." (union of male and female principles, sexual union, organ of generation, sun inserted into the female recipient or cup of the female ).

Domes also represent the female ‘cup’ or womb, along with the towers, obelisks represent the phallus. This is a given around almost every church cathedral around the world.

It’s all about the sun; the death of Jesus etc and symbolic rebirth is the festival of the winter and summer solstices as with the story of Samson:

« In the ancient world they used to symbolise the movement of the sun, or the earth in relation to the sun, as the life of a mythical man. He would be born after the winter solstice when he- the Sun- would be portrayed as a baby. The child would then grow up into a strapping, powerful man with long golden hair by the time of the summer solstice when the sun is at its strongest in the northern hemisphere. The long golden hair represented the power of the Sun’s rays at the time. The story told how Samson’s hair became shorter (or was cut of thus losing his power/strength) and he lost his strength as the year entered the autumn or fall. This was represented by the house of Virgo the Virgin or…the house of Delilah. »

Islam is no different, right down to the symbol of the moon and the star/sun used today on its flag…

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you see, it originated in Babylonia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should point out that the "star" on the Islamic flag is repesenting the sun, as you see in the ancient engraving above a stylised star is sun-like, on the islamic flag they just put a simple star but it is representing the sun!!!!



The skull cap is also common to all religions even though they oppose each other, and guess what the skull cap originates out of Babylon/Egypt as well!

« Over all the world, where traces of the Chaldean (Sumerian/Babylonian) system are found, this tonsure of shaving of the head is always found along with it. The priests of Osiris, the Egyptian Bacchus, were always distinguished by the shaving of the of their heads. In Pagan Rome, in India, and even in China, the distinguishing mark of the Babylonian priesthood was the shaven head. «

Quoted from Alexander Hislop - The Two Babylons and included in Icke‘s new book.

‘Amen’ comes from the Egyptian sun god Amon or Amen Ra.

« This (the erasing of the spiritual knowledge/truths) was the motivation behind the Christian Inquisitions that slaughtered multi-millions throughout the world in the name of « fighting the Devil » in God’s holy war against the Heathens. For Heathens read Infidels or goyim depending on your mind prison of choice. The Inquisition terrorised Europe with ‘witches’ and other carries of the knowledge tortured and killed in staggering numbers as the Christian fantasy was mercilessly imposed on once-Celtic lands. «


Where Christianity couldn’t go to do this, Islamic agents did the same, erasing all the truth knowers (druids shamans etc) and keepers of the esoteric truths that were left so that only official dogma would reign supreme until this day.

The fish god Oannes/Dagon ( Nimrod) as symbolised in Babylon and the fish head mitre worn by the pope and others in the Christian hierarchy today. The church of Rome is the church of Babylon under a different name.

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FISH HEAD NAZI GAS MAKING POPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Constantine


« The main man behind the global emergence of Christianity was Emperor Constantine who mad eit the sate religion of Rome and oversaw the Council of Nicea in AD 325 that decided what Christians should believe to this day. The doctrine is still called ‘the Nicene Creed’. »

Oh yes it is and when I read that last night I thought Eureka! I hear echos of that damn thing in my head when everyone around me as a child (and still today) bleat it off each Sunday without even being aware of what it is their saying.

Here is the Nicene Creed (I almost remember it by heart myself):


We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



«*The god-mother-child religion was a global phenomenon before the Flood and was retained in many and various expressions in the fragmented societies that emerged from the deluge. It has been used in its many forms to divide and rule the masses, implant a false history and version of life, and suppress the circulation of the knowledge I detailed in the fist two chapters.*»

«*this knowledge was known in the ancient Mystery religions before and after the Flood and was largely passed on through initiates chosen by he Mystery priesthood, but it was still far more widely available among the general population then the manipulators wanted*…*»

This is referring to the time when there was a global civilisation, and no language, the infamous «*Golden Age«*, humans did not need language as they communicated through telepathy, both human and animal conversed through the same language. This was the time when the esoteric truths/knowledge were known by all, before it was eroded from collective consciousness right up to the present day. We see it (this loss of knowledge) reflected in modern society in feelings of emptiness turned into consumerism, that you can buy happiness; advertising masters use the esoteric knowledge to get you to crave their products and adverts are bursting with sacred symbolism; people have been taught to be symbol illiterate, as symbolism takes the soul higher it can also be use to imprison the soul and the mind. And it’s being used for this on a daily basis and always has been since the day when humanity’s wellbeing as a whole was hijacked.

See Michael Tsarion on youtube - subversive use of occult symbolism in the media.

The bible came from the torah…which came from the TAROT. The Tarot contains all the esoteric truths in symbolic form, it speaks in symbols whereas the bible and torah speak in words and thus lower the spirit/soul as it leaves or leads the mind to interpret what the words mean, whereas with symbols there is a very specific universal truth being shown to you.

www.tarotteachings.com

A fantastic resource for understanding the esoteric symbolism encoded in the Tarot.


«*Unravelling the story is much easier when you realise that all the different names for gods and goddesses around the world are basically the same deities. Among the aliases of Semiramis are Isis, Aphrodite, Venus, Artremis, Diana, Athena, Minerva, Demeter, Ceres, Gaea, Terra, Hera, Juno, Hestia, Vesta, Cybele, Europa, Fortuna, and Rea or Ops, the wife and sister of the Greek horned god Kronos (Nimrod). «*

I would think it’s a safe bet to say you could also add Columbia to the above list of goddesses who really represent Semiramis, both are symbolised with the dove; the word columbia means dove; the French word for dove is ‘colombe‘. Comumbia pictures depicting the goddess with the torch or flame of illumination, together with the pyramid. Semiramis IS columbia IS the virgin Mary. M for Mary (Magdelene and Virgin Mary) is the zodiac sign/constellation of Virgo, with a stylised M as it’s symbol.

«*Other names for Nimrod/Tammuz include Osiris/Horus, Baal, Bel, Molech (worshipped at Bohemian Grove), Marduk, Saturn, Jupiter, Janus, Merodach, and Pan. «*

Jesus figures:

«*These include Osiris and Horus (Egypt); Mithra/Mithras (Persia and Rome); Dionysus or Bacchus (known as the ‘serpent son’ in Greece/Rome); Attis of Phrygia (now Turkey); Krishna (India) and of corse Tammuz, or Ninus, in Babylon. Among others are Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Benrillahm of the Druids; Thor son of Odin of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Univeral Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin Io, of Greece; Ixion and Quirinis of Rome and Prometheus of the Caucasus. «*

The Christmas Tree:

«*The pine tree, or Christmas tree, represented Nimrod and a log - the ‘Yule log’ - was thrown on the fire to symbolise his death. On what became our Christmas day, his rebirth was celebrated with a tree, decorations and presents. The representation of Nimrod as a pine tree is symbolised in the major courtyard of the ‘Christian’ Vatican by the biggest sculpture of a pine cone anywhere in the world. «*(Celebrated on December 25th)

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They seemed to have left the pine cone stuff out in my cathecism class!

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LOOOOOOOOK IT'S A SUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blue]

good effort celtic isis.....i hope the message is delivered to the religious mongers over here.

[celtic isis]

sorry i had to keep editing there to get the pictures to appear :o

[celtic isis]

good effort celtic isis.....i hope the message is delivered to the religious mongers over here.

ahh cheers blue :):o

they'll never get it cause they don't want to see it and have their world crumble. It's tragic!

[amercury]

Great info Celtic Isis. That is a really good synopsis of the history of religion.

Isn't it amazing how far from truth we have managed to get!

I think I will print that out and hand it around if you don't mind!:) You touch on a lot of major points that people can look into for themselves.

[celtic isis]

This is only the tip of the blooming iceberg of proof! i will try and put as much as i can here but it ain't easy!!!!!

be patient with me :o


the connections are astounding. :) But yeah, here in France where esoteric society is more open, this country is esotericism obsessed in fact, this kind of thing is mor widely known, however, that doesn't make for any less esspecially "catholic" sheeple. There's still plenty of them who just accept and bleet without ever looking further. :rolleyes: i guess you can't blame them...but still yes we can!!!

OMG have you never question all the corruption within the Vatican??? if they're all so holy and even jesus himself was "born a pauper" why the hell do they need so much gold, when there's poverty all around outside the vatican door?

Why, in a civilised world, that we have (croak) is there so much war? God likes war does he? War is justified in the name of the Holy and the Divine eh? You think God likes the people of Earth slaughtering eachother in HIS name? It makes him happy does it? Then i want no part of that god thank you very much. That's one sadistic god you have lol in my opinion.

No, God doesn't like that at all, God or creative/infinite consciousness only knows peace and love, we ARE God, we Are infinite creation, we ARe nature. Why is that so hard to understand? It's so simple!!!!

Why would god create black people, hispanic etc and have them suffer poverty, famine and all kinds of crap that is never ending? Why is it never ending in a world abundant with food etc, cause the people who control the problem of famine etc they want to keep it there! they want the undesirables of the planet dead!!!! i'm taking about illuminati here, the ones at the top not the actualy people working ot help in these countries, obviously.

It's the feckers in control of the world here who are putting religion etc in place as tools to cause as much caos as possible in order to get us where they want us, and more importantly, to get THEM where they wat ot be...up on their birth right to rule thrones where they've always been and intend to stay at all costs.

It' fake people, religion is fake, but faith isn't, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!! Have faith in love and peace, and in caring for your our fellow human beings!!!! Religion causes judgement, divide, seperation, conflict...it brings the soul down as the esoteric truths contained within each religion are systematically KEPT FROM THE PEOPLE.

That's why you have your religion, your religious beliefs, yet i bet you are still cold and black and empty inside.

What's missing????????????

[celtic isis]

Great info Celtic Isis. That is a really good synopsis of the history of religion.

Isn't it amazing how far from truth we have managed to get!

I think I will print that out and hand it around if you don't mind!:) You touch on a lot of major points that people can look into for themselves.


cheers amercury :)

i know i bolded what you said there cause i just can't believe it myself, it's funny and tragic at the same time, not to mention scary...everything means the opposite of how it's portayed...

You know what, around the local churches/cathedrals here new year's day we spotted 3 pyramids, two of which where complete in your face illuminati/watchers etc all seeing eye in the pyramids!!! or delta lumineux as they're called here...i know technically this symbol means god or the great architect of the universe...but still seds shivers up my spine to see it about a statue of Jesus and another one on virgin mary and another on another altar...plus loads of sun ray symbolism, pentagrams and even an inverted pentagram and skull and bones on a kneeling plinth for praying on!!!!!!!!!!


omg!!!!!! i just see you want to print what i put out!!!!!of course you're welcome too! jeez i should do it myself, you think it's ok for sheeple? really?

awwww bless ya! :):D

[celtic isis]

hehe this is bliss all the trolls are busy praying to-day SUN-day! :)

sorry dudes i really don't want to argue :o

[celtic isis]

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070613135346AAlZzwm

there's the link and here's the twat!

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

"Let's focus on Christ, and do it the way that we can do it best, rather than split hairs about traditions and habits. As long as you can keep this focus, then you should read the book, but take it with a grain of salt- whenever I read contentious information, I often find that most of it is just an attempt to connect tenuous information or a simple misrepresentation of facts.

Throughout history, the Church has not had much of a qualm about incorporating small traditions to ease transitions for the pagans. "Critically examine everything; hold on the the good", or so St. Paul said. Keeping this in mind, pagan religions may be 'bad', but many of the things which they incorporate into their practice are not. Are easter eggs a bad tradition, so long as we focus our celebration and worship on Christ? Not really.

For it is the focus of worship which truly matters, not the manner. Of course, I'm not saying it's okay to go off the deep end. But I feel the pagan effects on Christianity are very much exaggerated by revisionists who have little knowledge of history or theology.

As you may be a Protestant, you probably recognize the beauty of diversity within the church. Every man must have his own relationship with Christ. Every person must do things his own way, ultimately. I'm not Protestant anymore, but I do believe that God loves diversity- in people, and in cultures. If there is good to be had in a practice, then this good should be directed towards God."...

the rest is worth the read :rolleyes: haha ease transitions for the pagans!!!!!!OMG!!!!!

They are beyond stupid!!!!!!!!!! and this guy thinks he's clever lol


omg wait a minute...the other guy "Dave" who answered...could he be DAVID ICKE?!!!! scroll down!

Most of the New Age Christianity is actually secular humanism with a mask of Christianity. Catholicism finds it's roots in Babylon and the worship of Semiramis and Tammuz who recently highjacked the names of Jesus and Mary. In fact, all false religion originated from the same place. Some of them are going to claim to be Christian but will not be. So it would appear that Christianity has roots in Pagan worship, when in fact, what you are calling Christianity, is not Christianity, and is Pagan worship. Make sense?

Much of what you see today is apostate churches with apostate believers....


:eek::D:)

[celtic isis]

Here is the Nicene Creed again, i'm going to try and highlight the esoteric type ideas within it....just cause i'm bored ;)



We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

of all that IS, SEEN and UNSEEN...


We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, (heard this somwhere before)
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.


Through him all things were made. infinite consciousness...?
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven: the sun at its lowest point, winter solstice.



by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;


he ascended into heaven

as the SUN did/does...


and is seated at the right hand of the Father. the right hand/side of some star????? Jupiter/Saturn?


He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

BS Basically :rolleyes:

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

Amen Ra :)

Rememeber this was drawn up and decided by elite hierarchy for catholics to believe, what they SHOULD believe, what gave then the right to do that?

FAKE FAKE FAKE, denounce paganism on the one hand and glorify it (secretly) on the other....:D

omg i hate that prayer. used to scare me as a kid the way they used to say it. It's laughable how people go to church on SUNday, have no idea what the hell it's all about only the basics and even they aren't how it really is, and yet these same sheeple think cults etc are a disgrace and are something odd and weird...but this is no different from any cult!!!!

[octopusrex]

The real question is:

"can we all just get along?"

[pierre_jean]

Amen.

Amen Ra :)

Amun Ra -> Amen ?...
Brillant, I had not made the bringing together :D
Thank you, beautiful Isis princess;)
I benefit from it to wish one happy new year with everyone ;).
One year placed under the sign of Amun Re, "Nebkheperure" Lord of the forms of Re. What is hidden will be revealed.

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[kasalt]

Great thread, Celtic! You've obviously put a lot of work into this. I'd say its worthy of the "five star" treatment... :)

[celtic isis]

Quoting from Icke’s new book and my own additions in italics:

"The Circle of St Peter’s square in Rome, with its eight rays, represents the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar (which becomes Easter), and the obelisk in the centre is Nimrod." (union of male and female principles, sexual union, organ of generation, sun inserted into the female recipient or cup of the female ).

Domes also represent the female ‘cup’ or womb, along with the towers, obelisks represent the phallus. This is a given around almost every church cathedral around the world.

i forgot to insert this picture to support the above quote:



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This 8 rays symbolism (sun symbolism) is also used by the goddess Brittania (Semiramis) and can be seen on the British flag or Union Jack...goddess Brittania can also be seen at the Vatican...

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This site has extracts from 'The Two Babylons' -

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl172.htm

"Another clue to the symbolism behind the British Flag and control of Britain is the cult of Antu or Barat An-na, wife of the god Anu, which was identified with Diana of Ephesus and spread across Syria into the Phoenician kingdom, where they began to portray her on their coins. (Note the Anu symbol on this Sculpture which stands outside Buckingham Palace).

In these representations she sat by the seashore with a torch of fire, and at her side was a round shield bearing the cross of the Rosi-crucis.

Along with the Wallan Druids, the culture of Barat An-na was brought to the British islands, where her name became compacted to Bratanna. And in those islands, her image persisted to the extent that she became the great tribal goddess -- a goddess who, despite all the emergent centuries of Christianity, has prevailed to this very day. Her image on the coins has barely altered, except that her flaming torch became a lighthouse, and the Rosi-crucis cross of her shield was amended to become the Union Jack. But, after all this time, she is still the Mother Goddess of the land, the Lady of the Firestone: Britannia of Great Britain. So much for the "Jewish" fable of British Israelitesm."

So the 8 rays represent the cross of the Rosi-crucis...(which i can't find for the moment!)




Anu = Annunaki?????????????


"The spirit worshipped as Anu in Babylon and under other names in succeeding empires has been recast as the "Father of us All" in the hybrid Judaeo-Christian religion of the City of London and the Vatican in order to entice all religions into their trap. Its symbol of the double-cross aptly applies to Rothschild's kingdom of "perfidious Albion" whose Babylonian bankers will make a seven-year covenant with Rome to establish one world government; in the midst of that week of years, Rome will double-cross the "Jews" and force the mark of the beast. "

[celtic isis]

[QUOTE=celtic isis;234745]

Quoting from Icke’s new book and my own additions in italics:

"The Circle of St Peter’s square in Rome, with its eight rays, represents the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar (which becomes Easter), and the obelisk in the centre is Nimrod." (union of male and female principles, sexual union, organ of generation, sun inserted into the female recipient or cup of the female ).

Domes also represent the female ‘cup’ or womb, along with the towers, obelisks represent the phallus. This is a given around almost every church cathedral around the world.

«*Unravelling the story is much easier when you realise that all the different names for gods and goddesses around the world are basically the same deities. Among the aliases of Semiramis are Isis, Aphrodite, Venus, Artremis, Diana, Athena, Minerva, Demeter, Ceres, Gaea, Terra, Hera, Juno, Hestia, Vesta, Cybele, Europa, Fortuna, and Rea or Ops, the wife and sister of the Greek horned god Kronos (Nimrod). «*

I would think it’s a safe bet to say you could also add Columbia to the above list of goddesses who really represent Semiramis, both are symbolised with the dove; the word columbia means dove; the French word for dove is ‘colombe‘. Comumbia pictures depicting the goddess with the torch or flame of illumination, together with the pyramid and of course the SUN. Semiramis IS columbia IS the virgin Mary et al. M for Mary (Magdelene and Virgin Mary) is the zodiac sign/constellation of Virgo, with a stylised M as it’s symbol.



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Columbia pictures logo


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Masons Statue of Liberty

Statue of Liberty - Semiramis

The Statue of Liberty is another Brotherhood symbol highlighting the lighted torch. The Statue of Liberty is actually the Statue of Liberties - the liberties perpetrated on the American people by the Brotherhood. There she stands on her island in New York Harbour holding her torch of freedom and Americans believe she is the symbol of their liberty in the Land of the Free. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The Statue of Liberty was given to New York by French Freemasons and her mirror image stands on an island in the River Seine in Paris. These statues of liberty are representations of Queen Semiramis and Isis et al, with the rays of the Sun around her head. The ancients symbolized the Sun in this way. And they are not holding the torch of liberty, but the torch of the illuminated ones, the reptilian Elite. The Statue of Liberty is a Brotherhood symbol which says: We control this country and we are telling you so, but you are too stupid to see it!

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Liberty's Sun hat/halo :) and that's Nancy Reagan waving grrrrrrr


French Liberty with eiffel tower lined up with her in the background.

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/40831/2002076621167939109_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002076621167939109)

http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/38465/2002081027158967975_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002081027158967975)

She is even STANDING UPON A SYMBOL OF THE SUN!!!!

http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/41225/2002071941881361540_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002071941881361540)

Does this not look at all odd to anyone else? There is a bloodline descended from the gods still in power today, look they can't help themselves they put their symbols of their brotherhood everywhere around us!

anyone want to stay at the semiramis hotel!
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-368559-action-imgsearch-semiramis_hotel-i

[celtic isis]

Great thread, Celtic! You've obviously put a lot of work into this. I'd say its worthy of the "five star" treatment... :)

aww thank you sweetheart! i was thinking it was all a muddle, i don't know why i'm so passionate all of sudden about this subject! :D

[celtic isis]

Amun Ra -> Amen ?...
Brillant, I had not made the bringing together :D
Thank you, beautiful Isis princess;)
I benefit from it to wish one happy new year with everyone ;).
One year placed under the sign of Amun Re, "Nebkheperure" Lord of the forms of Re. What is hidden will be revealed.

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bonne année pierre jean! je te souhaite beaucoup be joie et du bonheur pour 2008 :)

hope my french was ok there :o

hehe beautiful isis princess! :o je suis toute rouge!

that sign is incredible, it's a scarabée? (beetle) there in the middle...scarabée = SUN GOD according to my other half's brother here :)

so that's a year those symbols are representing? i see part of a wing above, i guess that the Ra symbol of the black sun with the wings...

oh no more stuff to research!

[celtic isis]

you know what, it's not easy to find images of semiramis...

anyway stumbled on this site, quit interesting ideas about the holy ghost/dove/semiramis...

http://www.piney.com/HsLikeADove.html

"According to the Chaldean doctrine, Semiramis, the wife of Ninus or Nimrod, when exalted to divinity under the name of the Queen of Heaven, came, as we have seen, to be worshipped as Juno, the "Dove"--in other words, the Holy Spirit incarnate.

Now, the Holy Ghost was idolatrously worshipped in Babylon under the form of a "Dove." Under the same form, and with equal idolatry, the Holy Ghost is worshipped in Rome. When, therefore, we read, in opposition to every Scripture principle, that "the Holy Ghost suffered for us in baptism," surely it must now be manifest who is that Holy Ghost that is really intended.

It is no other than Semiramis, the very incarnation of lust and all uncleanness..."


<<<<<<Bear with me don't have internet connection anymore so flying like the win trying to get info!>>>>

this site is also very very very interesting in linking Christianiy with Babylonia...very indepth.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/2bab013.htm

UNFORTUNATELY I'm unable to copy and paste quotes but it gives a very detailed background to the goddess worship/roots...here i'll type a few...

"The Roman church itself maintains that it was not so much the seed of the woman herself, that was to bruise the head of the serpent...The same was held by the ancient Babylonians, and symbolically represented in their temples. In the uppermost storey in the tower of Babel, or temple of Belus, Diodorus Siculus there stood three images of the great divinities of Babylon; and one of these was a woman grasping a serpent's head. Among the Greeks the same thing was symbolised for Diana, whose real character was originally the same as that of the great Babylonian goddess."



"As time wore away, and the facts of Semiramis's history became obscured, her sons's birth was boldly declared to be miraculous; and therefore she was called "Alma Mater" , the Virgin Mother"...

the Point d'Alma is where Princess Diana was ritually mudered ouside the tunnel in Paris and where they placed the eternal flame/ torch of the blooming illuminated ones as an hommage to her...the same torch the statue of liberties holds, more then likely placed to the east, the place of illumination.

"The Names of Blasphemy bestowed by the Papacy on Mary have not one shadow of foundation in the Bible, but are all to be found in Babylonian idolatry. "

"Will anyone after this still say that the Roman Catholic church must still be called Christian, because it holds the doctrine of the Trinity? So did the Pagan Babylonians, so did the Egyptians, so do the Hindoos at this hour, in the very same sense in which Rome does....Away then, with the deadly delusion that Rome is Christian!"

this is worth printing!

omg i wish i could copy and paste the quotes from the site above! it's gold the writer's analysis but alas can't copy of paste or save it doh!

[blue]

sticky thread !!!

[pierre_jean]

bonne année pierre jean! je te souhaite beaucoup be joie et du bonheur pour 2008 :)
hope my french was ok there :o
hehe beautiful isis princess! :o je suis toute rouge!


Hé Hé, merci à toi. Ton français est très bien (je ne parle pas de ton petit copain :D).


that sign is incredible, it's a scarabée? (beetle) there in the middle...scarabée = SUN GOD according to my other half's brother here :)
so that's a year those symbols are representing? i see part of a wing above, i guess that the Ra symbol of the black sun with the wings...


The history of this photograph is very strange. It is necessary that I tell it to you…
I received this photograph on December 31, sent by a friend. It is a photograph which it made 2 years ago now. I thus receive an email with this photograph, but not of message nor of object in the email… I thus call this friend, and I ask him why it sent this image to me? She answers me that she anything sent me of the whole and that especially she was not at home at the time of the sending (she worked!!) :eek::eek::eek:

I get information then about this cartridge. I learn that it is about the name which was given to Toutânkhamon during its crowning… Nebkheperourê “the origin of the transformations of Rê” or: “Rê is the Master of the transformations, lord of Justice”

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2562/mozscreenshot1cm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Today I still do not know how this photo could arrive at home. So people have an explanation, I am open…

PJ

[paganus]

the basics of xtianity are stolen from Mithraism.originally a persian diety.born in a cave attended by sheperds and Magi.the gospels originally refer to three Magi NOT 'wise men'.a Magi is a Zoroastrian priest,the root word of the english 'magic'.Mithras is the saviour according to Zoroastrianism.in india refered to as Parsi (meaning Persian)

[celtic isis]

the basics of xtianity are stolen from Mithraism.originally a persian diety.born in a cave attended by sheperds and Magi.the gospels originally refer to three Magi NOT 'wise men'.a Magi is a Zoroastrian priest,the root word of the english 'magic'.Mithras is the saviour according to Zoroastrianism.in india refered to as Parsi (meaning Persian)

good point paganus, and mithraism is stolen from babylonian nimrod tammuz semiramis and co...

the word 'Magi' refers to 'magician' in french also, Magi noir meaning black magician.

[celtic isis]

sticky thread !!!

hehe :o

sorry i haven't been round last few days guys, have no internet connection, have to steal one elsewhere for the moment. :rolleyes:

well...i watched or rather listened to Zeitgiest the other night (we engraved it on DVD yet a code is missing so no pictures only sound lol) anyway i listened hard and also transcribed some it lol :o

It's really not disinfo, just the narrator the way he phrases things is a bit sloppy...

for instance here:And thus it was said:

The SUN died on the cross
Was dead for 3 days
Only to be resurrected or born again.


This is why Jesus and numerous other sun gods share the « crucifixion, 3 day death and resurrection » concept.

It is [depicting] the sun’s transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern hemisphere bringing spring and thus « Salvation ». (Salvation from the winter ‘death’, darkness into a new beginning/cycle of life/growth and prosperity.)


just the way he phrased that saying that's why they share the "cruifixion, 3 day death and resurrection" he didn't mean they ALL share that sequence, just that they all share parts of it, some sun god figures were crucified like jesus, others were not, most shared the resurrection after death part though. He just phrased it lazily, he should have been more clear.



Also i was reading into icke's next chaper in his new book and well, we really have to be careful when destroying 'religion', particularly the roman catholic church and christianity. It's important to show people the lies it is based on, and where it really originates from and the symbolism behind it, just to be careful that people know that we're not crushing their FAITH, what they need to beleive in.

The world the way it is now, if people ddn't have their religion, which they trus and believe is pure then there will be even more chaos as people will think there' s nothing to beleive in, which is not how it is at all. But most people aren't clued in to their spirituality, the spiritual truths, well religious dogma has made sure of that hasn't it. So we can't just trample on what they've been spoon fed since they were kids, otherwise they will think there really is no hope. They just can't see that religion is a manmade political tool, and that's the main hurdle when trying to show them it's a con!

I was really excited about all this, but now i'm having to put a damper on it to be careful how i phrase this to the ones i wanted to reveal this to.

Icke was saying and i've heard it before elsewhere, that THEY want to destroy faith in all the religions, one by one, so that after they can bring in their true religion, one which will unite the whole world, the one world religion (of lucifer i would think...).

Reading though about all the corruption in the Vatican, and the whole web it connects into between the knights of malta, the jesuits, P2 freemasonry lodge etc, it's just nuts! People really need to know about all this! :eek:

[phildee3]

the basics of xtianity are stolen from Mithraism.

Why do you have to use a provocative, inflammatory word like "stolen"?

Why not say "modified," developed," "evolved," "adapted"?

I agree with your post, pag.
I generally do.
But why are you looking for a fight?

Peace, bro!

[celtic isis]

Hé Hé, merci à toi. Ton français est très bien (je ne parle pas de ton petit copain :D).




The history of this photograph is very strange. It is necessary that I tell it to you…
I received this photograph on December 31, sent by a friend. It is a photograph which it made 2 years ago now. I thus receive an email with this photograph, but not of message nor of object in the email… I thus call this friend, and I ask him why it sent this image to me? She answers me that she anything sent me of the whole and that especially she was not at home at the time of the sending (she worked!!) :eek::eek::eek:

I get information then about this cartridge. I learn that it is about the name which was given to Toutânkhamon during its crowning… Nebkheperourê “the origin of the transformations of Rê” or: “Rê is the Master of the transformations, lord of Justice”

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2562/mozscreenshot1cm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Today I still do not know how this photo could arrive at home. So people have an explanation, I am open…

PJ

c'est fou ça pierre jean! :eek:

i'm sure i've seen it before i'll have to look to decode it and see what it means. the scarbée (beetle) is a very important symbol though, i think it means rebirth/resurrection or sun god as i said before. I know there's a fresco by the french picasso jean cocteau (i'm sure you're familiar with him PJ) and he painted a beetle by the jesus figure...(jean cocteau never did anything without it having a huge esoteric meaning behind it so it must be important!) Also the beetle appears on many occasions in ancient egyptian art and engravings etc.

the first symbol there by the beetle is of the point within the circle...symbolising the universe or sexual union between male and female principles, it also symbolised the sun.

ok i've no since learned that symbol also represented the egyptian god Ra, or his 'iris' the dot within the circle...all seeing eye?

[celtic isis]

Why do you have to use a provocative, inflammatory word like "stolen"?

Why not say "modified," developed," "evolved," "adapted"?

I agree with your post, pag.
I generally do.
But why are you looking for a fight?

Peace, bro!

i guess paganus just used the word cause it's simpler to say stolen or taken???

anyway it's true it was taken from mithraism, but they all first originate out of babylonia!!!

Greek historian Herodotus said that*Babylon was the source from which all «*idolatry*» came.

Sir Austen Henry Layard, one of the leading British archaeologists of the 19th century said « We have the united testimony of scared and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems. »

I wish i had my icke book with me there's loads more quotes i want to type!

[celtic isis]

There’s another very interesting phenomena that occurs around December 25th or the winter Solstice…

From the summer solstice to the winter solstice days become shorter and colder and from the perspective of the Northern hemisphere the sun appears to move south and becomes smaller and more scarce.


The shortening of the days and the expiration of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolised the process of death, to the ancients. It was the death of the sun.

And by the 22nd of December (the shortest day, 21st-22nd) the sun’s demise was fully realised for the sun having moved south for 6 months makes it to its lowest point in the sky.

Here a curious thing occurs -

The sun stops moving south (at least perceivably) for 3 days.

And during this 3 day pause the sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross or Crux constellation.

And after this time on December the 25th the sun moves 1 degree, this time North, foreshadowing longer days, warmth and spring.

And thus it was said:

The SUN died on the cross
Was dead for 3 days
Only to be resurrected or born again.


This is why Jesus and numerous other sun gods share the « crucifixion, 3 day death and resurrection » concept.

It is [depicting] the sun’s transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern hemisphere bringing spring and thus « Salvation ». (Salvation from the winter ‘death’, darkness into a new beginning/cycle of life/growth and prosperity.)


However, they [the ancients] did not celebrate the resurrection of the sun until the spring equinox or Easter.

This was because at the spring equinox the sun has officially overpowered the evil darkness as day time thereafter is longer in duration than the night.

And the revitalising conditions of spring emerge (the rebirth after the death symbolically of winter.)

This transition of the Sun is represented by the Solar Cross.


Where the PAGAN CELTIC "Christian" SOLAR Cross came from:

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/39373/2005202029145554265_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005202029145554265)

http://www.celtarts.com/pagan.htm

A renewed interest in Celtic Christianity was part of this movement as well. The Celtic Church refers to the Church as it was in Ireland and Great Britain in the early medieval times, when it was considered isolated from Rome and developed a distinctly Celtic spirituality. People are not of one mind about this, as they rarely are about religious matters. But one thing that came out of this was the belief by some that the pagan Druidic religion of the Celts had clairvoyantly anticipated the Gospels. Legends were retold and refashioned in the light of emerging ideas and theories from archeology and anthropology. The similarity of the Celtic Cross to ancient symbols such as various Sun symbols and the swastika rather firmly established the notion that these pre-Christian signs were prototypes of the Christian Celtic Cross. The mystics of the movement added this archeological interpretation to their conviction that God had blessed the Druids with prophetic knowledge of the coming of Christ. (Rubbish!) :rolleyes:


Some observers see any quartering of a circle as a Celtic Cross. The chambers of the Neolithic tomb at Newgrange or the arrangement of standing stones. Examples like these, though they be easily dismissed as coincidence, are "proof" to some that the Celtic Cross is of greater antiquity than Christianity and obviously originally pagan.

IT IS PROOF YOU CONARD!!!!! (french bad word sorry!)

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Setting aside the question of validity of that belief, let us see what "spin" has been put on that belief in modern times. To the Celtic Christian of the early 20th century, the pagan roots of the Celtic Cross were a source of joy and wonder. It is evidence of the enlightenment and spiritual sensitivity of their pagan ancestors and of God's grace towards them. Today you are more likely to hear the story told that the (bad) Christians stole the symbol from its rightful pagan heritage and that this appropriation was done with the sinister motives of tricking the convert by changing the meaning of familiar symbols so that his conversion might require less coercion.

So my message is "lighten up!" If you are Christian or Pagan I hope this little essay helps answer some questions. Attempts to deny or taint the Christian heritage of the Celtic Cross are misguided, but it is also a mistake to insist that any faith has an exclusive claim on this powerful symbol. And remember to keep things in perspective. The substance of religion is faith and love, not symbols.

:rolleyes:

you're half way there mate!


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http://www.celtarts.com/celtic.htm


At the pub when the subject comes up you might just as likely hear the explanation that the great stone Celtic Crosses were carved from the standing stones of the Druids and were originally phallic symbols, just carved into crosses to disguise their original purpose. No proof of this theory is offered and the in-your-face delivery of this information will probably intimidate you from asking for any. The barroom iconographer will swear on the graves of all his ancestors that it is true. With the rise of interest in the occult and pagan ideas in recent years you are likely to read New Age interpretations about how the cross in the circle is a symbol of the Sun that was worshipped by the Druids and that this symbol was appropriated by the Christians. Look for these sorts of explanations on the cards that accompany jewelry and head shop bric-a-brac. Born Again Pagans are enthusiastic about Celtic designs and are successfully appropriating Christian symbols back to their supposed primal meaning. Just how much of this is fantasy and how much is based in historical fact is difficult to sort out since the academic keepers of the facts are so reluctant to discuss symbolic meaning.

Constantine used the Chi-Rho as a military insignia and victory symbol as well. The cross symbolizes Christ's victory. Military use of the cross as a favorite element of heraldry descends from the shields and standards of the Roman Empire.


Finally found a good site!

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/celtic.html

Celtic Cross v the Sun/Solar Cross:
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/sun.html

Dare is say...it's the same thing!


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Sun Cross

Also known as a Pagan Cross, Solar Cross, Wheel Cross, Odin's Cross or Woden's Cross

Sun Cross

The Sun Cross features a circle around a cross. It is an ancient symbol; carvings of which were found in 1980 on the bases of Bronze-age burial urns at Southworth Hall Barrow, Croft, Cheshire, England and the urns date back to circa 1440 BC. This symbol has been used throughout history by different religions, groups and families (as a Japanese samurai family crest), eventually working its way into Christian iconography.

Calling it a Solar Cross focuses on the four divisions within the circle representing the four seasons and marked by the solstices. It is also said by some neo-pagans to represent the four directions: North, South, East and West - although what that means in the context of an infinitely large cosmos is unclear. The symbol is just so old and so simple, it's unrealistic to believe that there's just one interpretation. It's a godsend to self-styled wizards to make up whatever they want to say about it.



Sun Cross
We usually think of a 'cross' as simply two intersecting beams, but in fact there are many different designs.


Here we introduce one of these crosses, perhaps the oldest: the Sun Cross.

Sun Cross
Also known as a Pagan Cross, Solar Cross, Wheel Cross, Odin's Cross or Woden's Cross

Sun Cross
The Sun Cross features a circle around a cross. It is an ancient symbol; carvings of which were found in 1980 on the bases of Bronze-age burial urns at Southworth Hall Barrow, Croft, Cheshire, England and the urns date back to circa 1440 BC. This symbol has been used throughout history by different religions, groups and families (as a Japanese samurai family crest), eventually working its way into Christian iconography.

Calling it a Solar Cross focuses on the four divisions within the circle representing the four seasons and marked by the solstices. It is also said by some neo-pagans to represent the four directions: North, South, East and West - although what that means in the context of an infinitely large cosmos is unclear. The symbol is just so old and so simple, it's unrealistic to believe that there's just one interpretation. It's a godsend to self-styled wizards to make up whatever they want to say about it.



The Sun is the preserver of life; some will go as far as to say the creator of life, unless you happen to be stuck in the desert of course (see Journey to the Sun). As controller of the actions of planets and their moons, no one doubts its power and has for a long time been considered by man to be generally a good thing. So good, in fact, that it's been worshipped as a god for thousands of years. It was named by the ancient Egyptians, Ra.

Ra

One of several
Ra symbols

To some people the Sun was Ra, to others the Sun was just Ra's eye. Consequently Ra was symbolised as either a circle, or a circle with a central dot for the iris. The Sun has been symbolised in several other forms, some of which have included rays (just a coincidence that Ra is pronounced ray). And these rays sometimes give the appearance of spokes, making the symbol look like a wheel with its hub being the iris. (The symbol of a circle with a centre dot was also used to symbolise gold in alchemy; gold being the most precious metal and therefore associated with the greatest god, the Sun.)

Ra was the main god in the ancient Egyptian city of Heliopolis, but from c. 2400 BC, he became a national deity. Around a thousand years later, Ra was combined with the god Amen. The reasons for this merger are unknown, but we can speculate that the Egyptians felt there could be only one supreme god, and combining Ra (the god of light) and Amen (the hidden god where there was no light) gave man the monotheism they sought.

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[celtic isis]

damn i can't upload pics anymore! :confused:

found another solar cross link but they are thin on the ground that's for sure.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/folklore/symbolism.html

Also the ancients did not "worship" the sun, they "gave thanks" to it, "celebrated" it for what it meant to them in terms of giving life basically, without the sun there would be no life, no light, no crops, no nothing.

However the religious masters took the gratitude the anicents showed the sun and made it into a religion, a cult and made them look like they were "worshipping" the sun, primitive pagans worshipping the sun type thing. I guess though that the Brotherhoods that came out of Babylonia worship the sun, as fans/creators of idolatry they would wouldn't they.

Just to point out that the ancients were looking to the sun as a wonder of nature not as something to be worshipped as you would an idol.

You know what really bugs me, the celtic cross is obviously a solar cross, and the celts were most likely one of the most ancient peoples, particularly if it is true that they came from Atlantis...it just annoys me that they talk about the solar cross and then when they come to talking about the celtic cross they automatically switch to "the celtic cross is a symbol of the celtic christian church!!!!!!!"

HUH?

Celtic Christian church eh...yep that's it alright.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefssolar.htm

The solar cross is probably the most ancient spiritual symbol in the world, appearing in Asian, American, European, and Indian religious art from the dawn of history. Composed of a equal armed cross within a circle, it represents the solar calendar- the movements of the sun, marked by the solstices. Sometimes the equinoxes are marked as well, giving an eight armed wheel. (The swastika is also a form of Solar cross, emphasizing movement.)

The cross in its most simplified form (shown above) is known in Northern Europe as Odin's cross, after the Chief God of the Norse pantheon. It is often used as an emblem by Asatruar, followers of the Norse religion.

The Celtic cross is a symbol of the Celtic Christian Church, borrowed from the pre-Christian Celtic Pagan emblem of the God Taranis... Another similar symbol is the symbol of the ancient Assyrian God Shamash:

It cannot be associated with Christianity seeing as this symbol has been around since the dawn of time! "It is probably the most anicent symbol in the world." It's NOTHING to do with Christianity!!!! Pre-Christian means THEY WERE NOT CHRISTIANS BEFORE THAT TIME!!!!!! They can't just come along and "adopt" it after as their own erasing all the truth of the real symbolic meaning behind it!

Am i nuts here? am i missing something?

[octopusrex]

Don't forget MY favorite Sun God: Quetzalcoatl.

[paganus]

Why do you have to use a provocative, inflammatory word like "stolen"?

Why not say "modified," developed," "evolved," "adapted"?

I agree with your post, pag.
I generally do.
But why are you looking for a fight?

Peace, bro!they didnt put the credit for the original in the bible.thats plagarism,and thats theft!

[celtic isis]

Don't forget MY favorite Sun God: Quetzalcoatl.

:D

hehe i won't! sorry thread has gotten flat but have no internet at the mo! i'm working on stuff will post it when i can get back :)

if yer still interested :o

[celtic isis]

feck! i haven't even started to talk about the feckin serpent yet!

[octopusrex]

Don't mess with the plummed one!

[celtic isis]

Don't mess with the plummed one!

hehe :)

time to add some more bits to this here thread before it sinks into oblivion!

[celtic isis]

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http://www.masters-table.org/pagan/sun2.htm

In this second page we will see even more abominations of sun worship and how sun worship has crept into the Christian religion and has been blindly accepted by the masses. Many Protestant churches that claim they have separated from the Church of Rome did not complete the separation. They brought with them the pagan sun god of Ra and Horus (below) and Ester, Argus, as well as the pagan god Tammuz in the form of the cross.

Halos:

Another sign of sun worship we need to look at is the halo. Halos are pictured as a luminous ring or a disk of light that surrounds an object. Webster's Dictionary describes a halo as the aura of glory, veneration, or sentiment surrounding an idealized person or thing. The golden or jeweled crowns worn by royalty, meant to signify their "divine right" to rule, were originally modeled after the halo. But it was the ancient pagans that originated this practice of using halos or "sun-disks" to signify the divinity of the sun god Ray. Many of the customs and much of the icons of our worlds religions were adapted from paganism, and Sun worship is what spawned the use of these sun disks in pictures and graven images. People who worshipped the sun emulated its rays by wearing rings of feathers or leaves on their heads, and anytime rays are about the head it is Ray even though some may try to call it Jesus. Halos commonly appear in so-called 'Christian' religious art as a symbol of saintliness or divinity. The truth is that the halo did not come into Christian art until the third century at a time when pagan religions were suppressed and the halo fell to disuse among them and it was around that time the Catholic Church grabbed it. In the beginning, the Catholics only had the halo around their Jesus god, but by the fifth century, halos were used for the goddess Mary, angels and their saint gods. So let's call it what it is, the Sun god Ray.


the sun god Ray or Ra? :confused:


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Often the dome in a church or cathedral is a stylised to represent the sun with the rays spreading outwards, mimicking the sacred geometry of the dome at the same time.

More sun symbolism at the vatican...

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This quote below contradicts slightly with the halo representing only the sun...

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/sun.html

The halo for example, was never intended to be a sun. The word comes from the Greek halos, which means the ring of light shown around the Sun, not the Sun itself. The word was borrowed for the name of the light, real or imaginary, appearing around a holy person. Artists have used this to represent the spiritual light from holy people "The righteous shall shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father."



very interesting site here:

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm

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"St Peter" (Jupiter/Nimrod) at the vatican with a sun wheel above his head...

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Interesting eh? The sun's ray shines right into peter's shaft :D


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once again my favourite above:

"So in St. Peter's square, the symbol of Baal is within the symbol of Ishtar, and at the center is an Egyptian obelisk, all representing pagan sun worship."

Ishtar (Easter) is Semiramis with the symbol of Baal (Nimrod) within the center represented by the obelisk...


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The Egyptian obelisk that stands in the square of St. John Lateran (shown at left) is the largest in existence. Originally carved during the reign of Pharaoh Thutmoses III, it stood in the Temple of Amon in Thebes (Karnak), but was removed to Rome by emperor Constantius (A.D. 317-361), and placed in the Circus Maximus. In 1587 Pope Sixtus V unearthed the fallen, broken and long forgotten obelisk and had it repaired and placed in the Piazza S. Giovanni in Laterano. Interestingly enough, it is possible that Moses saw this very obelisk when he was in Egypt.

Now this obelisk, meant to honor the sun god, stands beside what Catholics call the supreme "Mother of all Churches", the official cathedra of the bishop of Rome, the Pope, which brings to mind Revelation 17: 5 and the apostate Mother Church, Mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots, who stands accused of fornication, a mixing of the sacred with the profane, truth with error.

OBELISK. Of the several functions of the PILLAR among early peoples, the Egyptian obelisk was worshipped as the dwelling place of the sun-god.

The pagan association of the obelisk was something well understood by the church. The Jesuit scholar, Athanasius Kircher in his book Obeliscus Pamphilius, published in 1650, gives an account of the ancient views of the obelisk as the digitus solis, or "finger of the sun".

[blue]

HE SUN TEMPLE AND THE SACRED STONE

The Phoenix bird has since its beginning been associated with the practice of sun worship in Egypt. This is noted in the coloring of the Phoenix, its miraculous birth, and its connection with fire, all symbolic of the Sun itself. These characteristics, however, lend themselves to a more interesting explanation, as we shall see.

The inner sanctum of the Sun Temple at the City of Annu was the most sacred of all places. It was the home of the Sun Stone which the Egyptians called the "Ben-Ben." Mounted on a truncated pyramid, the "Ben-Ben" was a square stone platform upon which was set a pyramid-shaped stone or pyramidion, giving the appearance of stubby obelisk. It was on this stone that the Phoenix or Benu bird alighted.

As far back as prehistoric times, the Sun Stone was revered as the dwelling of the Sun God. About 2000 BC, a new version of the Sun Stone appeared in Egypt - the pyramidion was placed on a tall square column and it became known as the obelisk. Obelisks were erected by all subsequent pharaohs.

The capstone of the pyramids themselves were said to be pyramidions, and venerated as the physical dwelling of the Sun God. The dead king buried inside the pyramid was believed thus to be under the direct protection of the god himself. This pyramidion, which was used as the capstone on obelisks and pyramids, became the most sacred fetish of the Egyptians.

The strange feature of the Phoenix legend is that it originated elsewhere and was assimilated into Egyptian sun worship by the priests of Annu at Heliopolis. The legends make it clear that the Phoenix bird came from the direction of the East, some say Arabia, others Assyria, and that it flies to the Sun Stone in Egypt to repeat its flaming performance. Since the Egyptians were very parochial in their view of the world, the land of Arabia could very well be any place east of the delta region.

Ben-Ben and the Big Ben. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/27661_big_ben_122_791lo.jpg
obelisks represent the male penis, the male energy, there are so many penis' around the world.

[phildee3]

Good postings, guys.

The same thing is going to happen to our elite in London, Rome and DC. as happened to the Egyptian elite.

They are messing with a power that they can't handle.

Bye bye suckers!

[phildee3]

I wonder if the Egyptians ever had this much fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cgmYrIWhU

[ichi wa zen]

I wonder if the Egyptians ever had this much fun!

Ofcourse, they had humansacrifices as entertainment, cant get any cooler than that, can you? i mean we have Mission Impossible 3 and candypopsicle.

OWW no, wait. We have Pamela Vs Tommy Lee Homevideo, We Win! :p

[celtic isis]

HE SUN TEMPLE AND THE SACRED STONE

The Phoenix bird has since its beginning been associated with the practice of sun worship in Egypt. This is noted in the coloring of the Phoenix, its miraculous birth, and its connection with fire, all symbolic of the Sun itself. These characteristics, however, lend themselves to a more interesting explanation, as we shall see.

The inner sanctum of the Sun Temple at the City of Annu was the most sacred of all places. It was the home of the Sun Stone which the Egyptians called the "Ben-Ben." Mounted on a truncated pyramid, the "Ben-Ben" was a square stone platform upon which was set a pyramid-shaped stone or pyramidion, giving the appearance of stubby obelisk. It was on this stone that the Phoenix or Benu bird alighted.

As far back as prehistoric times, the Sun Stone was revered as the dwelling of the Sun God. About 2000 BC, a new version of the Sun Stone appeared in Egypt - the pyramidion was placed on a tall square column and it became known as the obelisk. Obelisks were erected by all subsequent pharaohs.

The capstone of the pyramids themselves were said to be pyramidions, and venerated as the physical dwelling of the Sun God. The dead king buried inside the pyramid was believed thus to be under the direct protection of the god himself. This pyramidion, which was used as the capstone on obelisks and pyramids, became the most sacred fetish of the Egyptians.

The strange feature of the Phoenix legend is that it originated elsewhere and was assimilated into Egyptian sun worship by the priests of Annu at Heliopolis. The legends make it clear that the Phoenix bird came from the direction of the East, some say Arabia, others Assyria, and that it flies to the Sun Stone in Egypt to repeat its flaming performance. Since the Egyptians were very parochial in their view of the world, the land of Arabia could very well be any place east of the delta region.

Ben-Ben and the Big Ben. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/27661_big_ben_122_791lo.jpg
obelisks represent the male penis, the male energy, there are so many penis' around the world.


fantastic post blue :)

thanks for explaining the background to the phoenix symbolic importance. It was something that was bugging me :) i think Icke makes the connections between the Ben Ben and Big Ben in his new book...there's so much to take in that i read something and then forget i've already read it!

also the phoenix came from the east the place of illumination. or place of the sunrise.


same thing with the owl (placed in the east or facing east) hence the semiramis owl/dove connections leading to the owl at bohemian grove and in the layout of washington dc.


Pope Celebrates Palm Sunday at Pagan Sun Pillar

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Above are pictures of John Paul II, dressed in scarlet, celebrating Palm Sunday in St. Peter's square on April 16th, 2000, with a "grove" of potted palms and hundred-year-old olive trees placed around the standing solar pillar (matstsebah) or obelisk, in the center of the Vatican's large pagan solar wheel symbolizing Baal and Ishtar.

[celtic isis]

Good postings, guys.

The same thing is going to happen to our elite in London, Rome and DC. as happened to the Egyptian elite.

They are messing with a power that they can't handle.

Bye bye suckers!

hehe i hope you're right phildee (i do feel that you are) you should see the smile on my face reading your post :)

[celtic isis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization



Sacred sites

Few Christian churches built in the first half millennium of the established Christian Church were not built upon sites already consecrated as pagan temples or mithraea, the church of Santa Maria sopra Minerva (literally Saint Mary above Minerva) in Rome being simply the most obvious example. Sulpicius Severus, in his Vita of Martin of Tours, a dedicated destroyer of temples and sacred trees, remarks "wherever he destroyed heathen temples, there he used immediately to build either churches or monasteries" (Vita, ch xiii), and when Benedict took possession of the site at Monte Cassino, he began by smashing the sculpture of Apollo and the altar that crowned the height.

The British Isles and other areas of northern Europe that were formerly druidic are still densely punctuated by holy wells and holy springs that are now attributed to some saint, often a highly local saint unknown elsewhere; in earlier times many of these were seen as guarded by supernatural forces such as the melusina, and many such pre-Christian holy wells appear to survive as baptistries[1]. Not all pre-Christian holy places were respected enough for them to survive, however, as most ancient European sacred groves, such as the great Irminsul (whose location is now lost, but was possibly located at Externsteine), were destroyed by Christianizing forces.

During the Reconquista and the Crusades, the cross served the symbolic function of possession that a flag would occupy today. At the siege of Lisbon in 1147, when a mixed group of Christians took the city, "What great joy and what a great abundance there was of pious tears when, to the praise and honor of God and of the most Holy Virgin Mary the saving cross was placed atop the highest tower to be seen by all as a symbol of the city's subjection." (De expugnatione Lyxbonensi)

Nice :rolleyes:

[octopusrex]

Good work.

[phildee3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization

Sacred sites

Few Christian churches built in the first half millennium of the established Christian Church were not built upon sites already consecrated as pagan temples or mithraea, the church of Santa Maria sopra Minerva (literally Saint Mary above Minerva) in Rome being simply the most obvious example. Sulpicius Severus, in his Vita of Martin of Tours, a dedicated destroyer of temples and sacred trees, remarks "wherever he destroyed heathen temples, there he used immediately to build either churches or monasteries" (Vita, ch xiii), and when Benedict took possession of the site at Monte Cassino, he began by smashing the sculpture of Apollo and the altar that crowned the height.

The British Isles and other areas of northern Europe that were formerly druidic are still densely punctuated by holy wells and holy springs that are now attributed to some saint, often a highly local saint unknown elsewhere; in earlier times many of these were seen as guarded by supernatural forces such as the melusina, and many such pre-Christian holy wells appear to survive as baptistries[1]. Not all pre-Christian holy places were respected enough for them to survive, however, as most ancient European sacred groves, such as the great Irminsul (whose location is now lost, but was possibly located at Externsteine), were destroyed by Christianizing forces.

During the Reconquista and the Crusades, the cross served the symbolic function of possession that a flag would occupy today. At the siege of Lisbon in 1147, when a mixed group of Christians took the city, "What great joy and what a great abundance there was of pious tears when, to the praise and honor of God and of the most Holy Virgin Mary the saving cross was placed atop the highest tower to be seen by all as a symbol of the city's subjection." (De expugnatione Lyxbonensi)

Nice :rolleyes:

Such violent domination and destruction of sacred sites was and is, of course, committed by the false, Roman church and it's subsequent "protestant" branches.
The relatively recent vita, itself, is largely a work of Vatican fiction.
Early "Christianization" of pagan sites was peaceful, joyful and mutally respectful.
The first-century Celtic church was thoroughly druidic;
and the Egyptian Isis was seen as synonymous with the Theotokos.

[octopusrex]

Patriarchies vs. Matriarchies.

The pendulum is swinging once again.

[phildee3]

Patriarchies vs. Matriarchies.

The pendulum is swinging once again.

No.
Both are dead.
It's time to understand the true meaning of druidism and the true meaning of Christianity.
Each has an essential balance of male and female deities.
It's time to empower the pivot between the polarities.
It's time for an-archies.
It's time for peace!

[octopusrex]

That is the hope of Quinto Sol.

The other side of hope is fear.

The fear is that all this stuff is simply cyclic.

[phildee3]

That is the hope of Quinto Sol.


The end of which just happens to coincide with the end of the Mayan cycle,
and an alignment with our galactic centre; -
an unprecidented synchroncity!




The other side of hope is fear.


Quite right, O eight-legged magesterium,
but it's also time for an unprecidented unipolarity
and the end of fear!!

[celtic isis]

Such violent domination and destruction of sacred sites was and is, of course, committed by the false, Roman church and it's subsequent "protestant" branches.
The relatively recent vita, itself, is largely a work of Vatican fiction.
Early "Christianization" of pagan sites was peaceful, joyful and mutally respectful.
The first-century Celtic church was thoroughly druidic;
and the Egyptian Isis was seen as synonymous with the Theotokos.

:o i wish i really was celtic isis :)

you're right phildee great post.

It's just amazing the depths to which people will accept religions etc as 'gospel' truth without ever researching for themselves...it's just part of their lives from birth, therefore they are indoctrinated since birth, by parents and family and it doesn't even let up at school...it's crazy!

Even the people who stay clear of religion most of the time end up slumping back to the church for funerals, weddings, or to get their sprogs baptised...lol just cause it's the thing that everyone does isn't it?! have ot be normal now don't we.

OMG if you don't get your kid baptised it will burn for an eternity in hell!

bloody hell lol

[celtic isis]

The end of which just happens to coincide with the end of the Mayan cycle,
and an alignment with our galactic centre; -
an unprecidented synchroncity!




Quite right, O eight-legged magesterium,
but it's also time for an unprecidented unipolarity
and the end of fear!!

blimey you guys are too scholarly for me, i'll leave you to it! :cool::o

[octopusrex]

The end of which just happens to coincide with the end of the Mayan cycle,
and an alignment with our galactic centre; -
an unprecidented synchroncity!

Some folks will try to hide in deep dungeons under the earth. Others will embrace the fire-breathing dragon. Some will seek the refuge of the mountains.

Those who understand fire realize THEY are fire. The brotherhood of the Sun does not fear the burning.


Quite right, O eight-legged magesterium,
but it's also time for an unprecidented unipolarity
and the end of fear!!

At one point, you have to realize the Sun is full of life.

[phildee3]

The brotherhood of the Sun does not fear the burning.

At one point, you have to realize the Sun is full of life.

Right on, o thou of the eight-fold pedantry!

Rudolf Steiner sez that life-force comes to our planet, through our sun, from the central sun (at the centre of our galaxy).

Someone else said that, because of errors in our calendar, 2012 has already happened - in 2007!

Time for peace - and unipolarity - indeed! :)

[octopusrex]

The serpent is the sun maybe.

[celtic isis]

The serpent is the sun maybe.

i hope so ;)

serpent usually means wisdom...i don't know in what context icke means it in this particular chapter...maybe he's just referring to the reptilian bloodline. I'll get back to it!


found a link here...and it's bloody interesting even if i do say so myself! Lots of info from alexander hislop's book icke mentioned at the start of this thread.


http://www.piney.com/His32.html#hot

Easter -The Two Babylons Alexander Hislop

"When Solomon grew old his wives swayed his heart to other gods; and his heart was not wholly with Yahweh his God as his father David's had been. Solomon became a follower of Astarte, the goddess of the Sidonians." - 1 Kings 11: 4-5

And Isaiah prophesied when "women and children shall rule over you." Now.

History shows that pagan fertility rites are often slyly disguised as SECOND INCARNATIONS. For instance, Dr. Rubel Shelly associates the S.U.N god with the S.O.N god. Dr. Shelly uses words quite identical to the Catholic Encyclopedia which admits to having "baptized" all kinds of pagan festivals and instrumental music to make their own rituals more "exhilarating." It was apparently left to a Disciples member in about 1878 to try to find Biblical justification for it. See lighting of Advent Candles.

In addition, Rubel Shelly and John York "baptized" the exodus story to make it a "pattern for Christian worship and community." However, the "because of transgression" for the law was a return to musical idolatry within God's "testing period" of 40 days. God then turned them over to "worship the starry host" of which the S.U.N and Saturn were principle "gods." To worship the S.U.N under Molech you had to burn babies in the red hot arms of an idol while the musical instruments made a great crashing noise and the priests "interpreted" the cries and sounds as a "message" from the S.U.N. god.

Therefore, if the worship of the "starry hosts" is our new pattern then why not make the S.O.N. god into a S.U.N. god. Just baptize him.

Along with this ancient patternism goes the restoration of the official celebration of Christmas and Easter.



Chapter III Section II Easter

Then look at Easter. What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name.
........... It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead.

Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, as pronounced by the people Nineveh, was evidently identical with that now in common use in this country. That name, as found by Layard on the Assyrian monuments, is Ishtar.

The worship of Bel and Astarte was very early introduced into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves." Some have imagined that the Druidical worship was first introduced by the Phoenicians, who, centuries before the Christian era, traded to the tin-mines of Cornwall. But the unequivocal traces of that worship are found in regions of the British islands where the Phoenicians never penetrated, and it has everywhere left indelible marks of the strong hold which it must have had on the early British mind.

From Bel, the 1st of May is still called Beltane in the Almanac; and we have customs still lingering at this day among us,........... which prove how exactly the worship of Bel or Moloch (for both titles belonged to the same god) had been observed even in the northern parts of this island. "The late Lady Baird, of Fern Tower, in Perthshire," says a writer in "Notes and Queries," thoroughly versed in British antiquities, "told me, that every year, at Beltane (or the 1st of May), a number of men and women assemble at an ancient Druidical circle of stones on her property near Crieff. They light a fire in the centre, each person puts a bit of oat-cake in a shepherd's bonnet; they all sit down, and draw blindfold a piece from the bonnet.

One piece has been previously blackened, and whoever gets that piece has to jump through the fire in the centre of the circle, and pay a forfeit.

This is, in fact, a part of the ancient worship of Baal, and the person on whom the lot fell was previously burnt as a sacrifice. Now, the passing through the fire represents that, and the payment of the forfeit redeems the victim."

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If Baal was thus worshipped in Britain, it will not be difficult to believe that his consort Astarte was also adored by our ancestors, and that from Astarte, whose name in Nineveh was Ishtar, the religious solemnities of April, as now practised, are called by the name of Easter--that month, among our Pagan ancestors, having been called Easter-monath.

The festival, of which we read in Church history, under the name of Easter, in the third or fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter.

It was called Pasch, or the Passover, and though not of Apostolic institution, * was very early observed by many professing Christians, in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ.

* Socrates, the ancient ecclesiastical historian, after a lengthened account of the different ways in which Easter was observed in different countries in his time--i.e., the fifth century--sums up in these words: "Thus much already laid down may seem a sufficient treatise to prove that the celebration of the feast of Easter began everywhere more of custom than by any commandment either of Christ or any Apostle." (Hist. Ecclesiast.) Every one knows that the name "Easter," used in our translation of Acts 12:4, refers not to any Christian festival, but to the Jewish Passover. This is one of the few places in our version where the translators show an undue bias.

That festival agreed originally with the time of the Jewish Passover, when Christ was crucified, a period which, in the days of Tertullian, at the end of the second century, was believed to have been the 23rd of March. That festival was not idolatrous, and it was preceded by no Lent. "It ought to be known," said Cassianus, the monk of Marseilles, writing in the fifth century, and contrasting the primitive Church with the Church in his day,
"that the observance of the forty days had no existence, so long as the perfection of that primitive Church remained inviolate."
Whence, then, came this observance? The forty days' abstinence of Lent was directly borrowed from the worshippers of the Babylonian goddess.

Such a Lent of forty days, "in the spring of the year," is still observed by the Yezidis or Pagan Devil-worshippers of Koordistan, who have inherited it from their early masters, the Babylonians.


Such a Lent of forty days was held in spring by the Pagan Mexicans, for thus we read in Humboldt, where he gives account of Mexican observances: "Three days after the vernal equinox...
........... began a solemn fast of forty days in honour of the sun."

Such a Lent of forty days was observed in Egypt, as may be seen on consulting Wilkinson's Egyptians. This Egyptian Lent of forty days, we are informed by Landseer, in his Sabean Researches, was held expressly in commemoration of Adonis or Osiris, the great mediatorial god.

I'm skipping bits cause it's really indepth but couldn't resist this next bit...

To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by a complicated but skilful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general,
........... to get Paganism and Christianity--now far sunk in idolatry--in this as in so many other things, to shake hands.


This is identical to the urge for a Seeker-Center to suck in numbers and hopefully more paying members but fewer and fewer "insiders" until you have a Catholic form of religion. It is complete with the worship of the Spirit as a separated "person" and then she has a second incarnation as ZOE. Lucifer was bisexual and therefore it is hard to tell who is who. However, an all of the ancient records it is a Lucifer type person who teaches mankind how to form mixed-sex choirs, drink wine and form instrumenta bands to seduce the holy people off God's "mountain" or away from the authority of the Living Word. In the Sophia-ZOE story little ignorang "jehovah" is taken in hand by Zoe as beast and "female instructing principle." The first thing she forces "jehovah" to do was to form a musical worship ministry. Guess who was worshiped: why ZOE and Zophia or now, Mary the mother of the gods. However, it was the Apollo, Apollyon or Abbadon creature whose Seeker-Center has been recorded in history. He used musical teachers, effeminate priests, used music to seduce, had a theater with columns like those above, had a swimming pool, a gymnasium and everything required to strip people of the Truth and of their money.

The instrument in accomplishing this amalgamation was the abbot Dionysius the Little, to whom also we owe it, as modern chronologers have demonstrated, that the date of the Christian era, or of the birth of Christ Himself, was moved FOUR YEARS from the true time. Whether this was done through ignorance or design may be matter of question; but there seems to be no doubt of the fact, that the birth of the Lord Jesus was made full four years later than the truth. This change of the calendar in regard to Easter was attended with momentous consequences. It brought into the Church the grossest corruption and the rankest superstition in connection with the abstinence of Lent.

Let any one only read the atrocities that were commemorated during the "sacred fast" or Pagan Lent, as described by Arnobius and Clemens Alexandrinus, and surely he must blush for the Christianity of those who, with the full knowledge of all these abominations,

"went down to Egypt for help"
to stir up the languid devotion of the degenerate Church,
and who could find no more excellent way to "revive" it,
than by borrowing from so polluted a source;
the absurdities and abominations connected with which the early Christian writers had held up to scorn.

That Christians should ever think of introducing the Pagan abstinence of Lent was a sign of evil; it showed how low they had sunk, and it was also a cause of evil; it inevitably led to deeper degradation.

Originally, even in Rome, Lent, with the preceding revelries of the Carnival, was entirely unknown; and even when fasting before the Christian Pasch was held to be necessary, it was by slow steps that, in this respect, it came to conform with the ritual of Paganism.

[celtic isis]

Anyone for eggs? :D

Such is the history of Easter. The popular observances that still attend the period of its celebration amply confirm the testimony of history as to its Babylonian character. The hot cross buns of Good Friday, and the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday, figured in the Chaldean rites just as they do now.

The "buns," known too by that identical name, were used in the worship of the queen of heaven, the goddess Easter, as early as the days of Cecrops, the founder of Athens--that is, 1500 years before the Christian era. "One species of sacred bread," says Bryant, "which used to be offered to the gods, was of great antiquity, and called Boun." Diogenes Laertius, speaking of this offering being made by Empedocles, describes the chief ingredients of which it was composed, saying, "He offered one of the sacred cakes called Boun, which was made of fine flour and honey."

The prophet Jeremiah takes notice of this kind of offering when he says, "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven." *


* Jeremiah 7:18. It is from the very word here used by the prophet that the word "bun" seems to be derived. The Hebrew word, with the points, was pronounced Khavan, which in Greek became sometimes Kapan-os (PHOTIUS, Lexicon Syttoge); and, at other times, Khabon (NEANDER, in KITTO'S Biblical Cyclopoedia). The first shows how Khvan, pronounced as one syllable, would pass into the Latin panis, "bread," and the second how, in like manner, Khvon would become Bon or Bun. It is not to be overlooked that our common English word Loa has passed through a similar process of formation. In Anglo-Saxon it was Hlaf.

Is it a pure coincidence that the word Bethlehem translated means "HOUSE OF BREAD"? Or that Virgo the Virgin is represented as a woman holding wheat...????

Below: Hathor as Qadesh (prostitute) the Syrian fertility goddess with phallic Min. Note the Hathor crown and headdress. She stands on a lion, holding a serpent and ears of grain...

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Ishtar: the Queen of Heaven (Eve, Sophia, ZOE, Mary)


The mother of MANKIND....

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The original bread of life. Hebrew and Canaanite women molded loaves of this figure which were blessed and ritually eaten, the precursor of the communion wafer (sun god image). Her idols were found under every green tree, were carved from living trees, or erected as poles or pillars beside roadside altars. Crude clay images (or cakes) of her as tree of life later evolved into the more refined Syrian Artemis. Ancient sexual rites (dismissed to this day by male scholars as cult prostitution) associated with worship of Asherah insured that matrilineal descent patterns, with their partnership rather than dominator values, would continue. Hebrew priestly iconoclasts finally uprooted Asherah, supplanting matrifocal culture with patriarchy.

The hot cross buns are not now offered, but eaten, on the festival of Astarte; but this leaves no doubt as to whence they have been derived. The origin of the Pasch eggs is just as clear. The ancient Druids bore an egg, as the sacred emblem of their order. In the Dionysiaca, or mysteries of Bacchus, as celebrated in Athens, one part of the nocturnal ceremony consisted in the consecration of an egg. The Hindoo fables celebrate their mundane egg as of a golden colour. The people of Japan make their sacred egg to have been brazen. In China, at this hour, dyed or painted eggs are used on sacred festivals, even as in this country. In ancient times eggs were used in the religious rites of the Egyptians and the Greeks, and were hung up for mystic purposes in their temples.

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Sacred egg of heliopolis and typhon's egg.

From Egypt these sacred eggs can be distinctly traced to the banks of the Euphrates. The classic poets are full of the fable of the mystic egg of the Babylonians; and thus its tale is told by Hyginus, the Egyptian, the learned keeper of the Palatine library at Rome, in the time of Augustus, who was skilled in all the wisdom of his native country:

"An egg of wondrous size is said to have fallen from heaven into the river Euphrates. The fishes rolled it to the bank, where the doves having settled upon it, and hatched it, out came Venus (Lucifer), who afterwards was called the Syrian Goddess"--that is, Astarte. (Ishtar)


Hence the egg became one of the symbols of Astarte or Easter; and accordingly, in Cyprus, one of the chosen seats of the worship of Venus, or Astarte, the egg of wondrous size was represented on a grand scale.

The occult meaning of this mystic egg of Astarte, in one of its aspects (for it had a twofold significance), had reference to the ark during the time of the flood, in which the whole human race were shut up, as the chick is enclosed in the egg before it is hatched. If any be inclined to ask, how could it ever enter the minds of men to employ such an extraordinary symbol for such a purpose, the answer is, first, The sacred egg of Paganism, as already indicated, is well known as the "mundane egg," that is, the egg in which the world was shut up.

Now the world has two distinct meanings--it means either the material earth, or the inhabitants of the earth. The latter meaning of the term is seen in Genesis 11:1, "The whole earth was of one language and of one speech," where the meaning is that the whole people of the world were so. If then the world is seen shut up in an egg, and floating on the waters, it may not be difficult to believe, however the idea of the egg may have come,

that the egg thus floating on the wide universal sea might be Noah's family that contained the whole world in its bosom.

The egg floating on the waters that contained the world, was the house floating on the waters of the deluge, with the elements of the new world in its bosom. The coming of the egg from heaven evidently refers to the preparation of the ark by express appointment of God; and the same thing seems clearly implied in the Egyptian story of the mundane egg which was said to have come out of the mouth of the great god.

The doves resting on the egg need no explanation. This, then, was the meaning of the mystic egg in one aspect. As, however, everything that was good or beneficial to mankind was represented in the Chaldean mysteries, as in some way connected with the Babylonian goddess, so the greatest blessing to the human race, which the ark contained in its bosom, was held to be Astarte, who was the great civiliser and benefactor of the world.

Though the deified queen, whom Astarte represented, had no actual existence till some centuries after the flood, yet through the doctrine of metempsychosis, which was firmly established in Babylon, it was easy for her worshippers to be made to believe that, in a previous incarnation, she had lived in the Antediluvian world, and passed in safety through the waters of the flood.

Now the Romish Church adopted this mystic egg of Astarte, and consecrated it as a symbol of Christ's resurrection. A form of prayer was even appointed to be used in connection with it,

Pope Paul V teaching his superstitious votaries thus to pray at Easter: "Bless, O Lord, we beseech thee, this thy creature of eggs,
........... that it may become a wholesome sustenance unto thy servants,
........... eating it in remembrance of our Lord Jesus Christ, &c;" (Scottish Guardian, April, 1844).


Besides the mystic egg, there was also another emblem of Easter, the goddess queen of Babylon, and that was the Rimmon or "pomegranate." (see illustration below) With the Rimmon or "pomegranate" in her hand, she is frequently represented in ancient medals, and the house of Rimmon, in which the King of Damascus, the Master of Naaman, the Syrian, worshipped, was in all likelihood a temple of Astarte, where that goddess with the Rimmon was publicly adored.


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The pomegranate is a fruit that is full of seeds; and on that account it has been supposed that it was employed as an emblem of that vessel in which the germs of the new creation were preserved, wherewith the world was to be sown anew with man and with beast, when the desolation of the deluge had passed away. But upon more searching inquiry, it turns out that the Rimmon or "pomegranate" had reference to an entirely different thing. Astarte, or Cybele, was called also Idaia Mater, and the sacred mount in Phrygia, most famed for the celebration of her mysteries, was named Mount Ida--that is, in Chaldee, the sacred language of these mysteries, the Mount of Knowledge. "Idaia Mater," then, signifies "the Mother of Knowledge"--in other words, our Mother Eve, who first coveted the "knowledge of good and evil," and actually purchased it at so dire a price to herself and to all her children.

ZOE in its modern form is Mary, the mother of god. Therefore, the acceptance of the young Catholic Trinity accepts Father, Mother (Sophia-Zoe) and baby son.

[celtic isis]

http://www.piney.com/His32.html#hot

The Meaning of the Name Astarte


That Semiramis, under the name of Astarte, was worshipped not only as an incarnation of the Spirit of God, but as the mother of mankind, we have very clear and satisfactory evidence. There is no doubt that "the Syrian goddess" was Astarte (LAYARD'S Nineveh and its Remains).

Now, the Assyrian goddess, or Astarte, is identified with Semiramis by Athenagoras (Legatio), and by Lucian (De Dea Syria). These testimonies in regard to Astarte, or the Syrian goddess, being, in one aspect, Semiramis, are quite decisive...


A sacred prositute--Pillar and ground of the truth


Semiramis, being deified as Astarte, came to be raised to the highest honours; and her change into a dove, as has been already shown, was evidently intended, when the distinction of sex had been blasphemously attributed to the Godhead, to identify her, under the name of the Mother of the gods, with that Divine Spirit, without whose agency no one can be born a child of God, and whose emblem, in the symbolical language of Scripture, was the Dove, as that of the Messiah was the Lamb.

Since the Spirit of God is the source of all wisdom, natural as well as spiritual, arts and inventions and skill of every kind being attributed to Him (Exo 31:3; 35:31), so the Mother of the gods, in whom that Spirit was feigned to be incarnate, was celebrated as the originator of some of the useful arts and sciences (DIODORUS SICULUS). Hence, also, the character attributed to the Grecian Minerva, whose name Athena, as we have seen reason to conclude, is only a synonym for Beltis, the well known name of the Assyrian goddess. Athena, the Minerva of Athens, is universally known as the "goddess of wisdom," the inventress of arts and sciences.


Semiramis, then, as Astarte, worshipped as the dove, was regarded as the incarnation of the Spirit of God.

3. As Baal, Lord of Heaven, had his visible emblem, the sun, so she, as Beltis, Queen of Heaven, must have hers also--the moon, which in another sense was Asht-tart-e, "The maker of revolutions"; for there is no doubt that Tart very commonly signifies "going round." But, 4th, the whole system must be dovetailed together. As the mother of the gods was equally the mother of mankind, Semiramis, or Astarte, must also be identified with Eve; and the name Rhea, which, according to the Paschal Chronicle was given to her, sufficiently proves her identification with Eve. [/B]

[phildee3]

This is a polite request to ceticisis (and any others who might be tempted) to please refrain from swamping this thread with large sections of cut & paste.
This amounts to shouting, and is a distraction from contributors own messages which are often quite short, (the more meaningful ones usually are).

You can just as easily post the link.

Thank you.

[dane]

Christianity is a sun worship religion, a Babylonian religion where all other religions came! It is also an astrology religion, also condemned by Christianity itself, though it is that very thing!

and

denounce paganism on the one hand and glorify it (secretly) on the other

i make so many realizations about the constant contridictions they hide inside.
its ingeniusly mind manipulating. theyre friggin contradiction kings..

and thank yu for the info here very enlightening

[celtic isis]

This is a polite request to ceticisis (and any others who might be tempted) to please refrain from swamping this thread with large sections of cut & paste.
This amounts to shouting, and is a distraction from contributors own messages which are often quite short, (the more meaningful ones usually are).

You can just as easily post the link.

Thank you.

hey dude it's MY thread lol :D:o

yep i know, i was trying to edit out and put pics and then internet explorer crashed and i couldn't delete anymore of the stuff i posted!

anyway i think everyone's lost interest by now.

[celtic isis]

and



i make so many realizations about the constant contridictions they hide inside.
its ingeniusly mind manipulating. theyre friggin contradiction kings..

and thank yu for the info here very enlightening

thank you dane :)

and i wasn't copy n pastin there!!!! ;)

sorry i got carried away...

[mr jones]

celtic isis, on the first page you say the star on the islamic flag represents the sun. the five pointed star is venus because you can see the moon eclipsing the sun AND the five pointed star which is venus.
:D

[celtic isis]

celtic isis, on the first page you say the star on the islamic flag represents the sun. the five pointed star is venus because you can see the moon eclipsing the sun AND the five pointed star which is venus.
:D

the star as a stylised version also represents THE SUN. :D

[celtic isis]

[B]

Islam is no different, right down to the symbol of the moon and the star/sun used today on its flag…

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you see, it originated in Babylonia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should point out that the "star" on the Islamic flag is repesenting the sun, as you see in the ancient engraving above a stylised star is sun-like, on the islamic flag they just put a simple star but it is representing the sun!!!!



the five pointed star representes many things....

i was merely pointing out the resemblance the babylonian engraving and the islam flag share.

[mr jones]

it looks like you've put alot of work into this thread, keep it up:)

[mr jones]

you see that babylonian image? the star is in front of the eclipse unlike the islamic image. if somthing is in front of the eclipse it would have to be between the earth and the moon. alien spacecraft?

[celtic isis]

it looks like you've put alot of work into this thread, keep it up:)

i was putting work lol but i've lost track lately, there's too much. :)

http://www.hyperflight.com/venus-five-pointed-star.htm

here's the pentacle 5 pointed star orbit of venus (is it) around the sun...

[celtic isis]

you see that babylonian image? the star is in front of the eclipse unlike the islamic image. if somthing is in front of the eclipse it would have to be between the earth and the moon. alien spacecraft?

thanks for pointing that out :) you're very observant! omg i need to pee! sorry :o:D

[mr jones]

lol

[celtic isis]

lol

it was a long pee :o sorry have to be serious this is a serious thread!

i'm off for tonight unfortunately :) starving!

[celtic isis]

celtic isis, on the first page you say the star on the islamic flag represents the sun. the five pointed star is venus because you can see the moon eclipsing the sun AND the five pointed star which is venus.
:D

i'm sorry i am stll learning and i apologise for making that assumption/mistake cause i was too lazy to check it out :o

bold isis...
:o

[celtic isis]

Interesting site here on this suject:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/twelve.html

Further East, the Chinese zodiac also had twelve divisions; although they were different to the common ones that Western culture adopted from the Sumerians.

The 12 Tribes of Israel, 12 Disciples of God

As the stars are divided into twelve, it is only natural to presume that Human communities can be divided into twelve geographical locations, and each one administered by a different personification of the Sun. The Signs of the Zodiac became Leaders; it was thought their influence over the lives of individual people could be worked out through a mixture of planet-watching and confused mysticism. The legacy that such lunacy left us was a deep-rooted religious tradition that the affairs of mankind are rightfully led by twelve leaders. As in (the heavens) heaven, so on Earth. Odin, for example, who sat on a chair that overlooked all of creation, has 12 sons. Many sun-worshipping religions had their god-man figure gather twelve disciples, one for each division of space. The prime example is Mithras, the half-god half-human saviour of Mithraism, a Roman mystery religion. In keeping with other developed sun-worshipping religions, the saviour (Mithras) is [I]depicted in drawing with an aurora behind his head, representing the sun.


“Jesus surrounds himself with 12 disciples. This is usually taken to be symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel. This notion of 12 tribes, however, is itself a symbolic reference to the 12 signs of the zodiac in Babylonian astrology, which the Jews adopted whilst in exile in Babylon. The zodiac was an extremely important symbol in the Pagan world. Osiris-Dionysis is symbolically represented as the still spiritual center of the turning wheel of change represented by the 12 signs. [...] the Mysteries of Mithras 12 disciples surrounded the godman, just as the 12 disciples surrounded Jesus. The Mithraic disciples were dressed up to represent the 12 signs of the zodiac and circled the initiate, who represented Mithras himself.”
"Jesus Mysteries" by Freke & Gandy (1999)


Other religious scholars such as "Robertson, Niemojewski, Volney and others" also hold that [B]"as son-god Jesus had twelve apostles representing the twelve houses of the zodiac".



Some Gods had twelve sons, and some sun gods had 12 disciples to spread the message across the world that the sun wasn't dead; it was rising again in the sky in Spring, after being defeated in Autumn.

[kasalt]

celtic isis, on the first page you say the star on the islamic flag represents the sun. the five pointed star is venus because you can see the moon eclipsing the sun AND the five pointed star which is venus.
:D

Here's another thread which I think relates to this whole subject:

Inverted Christian Pentagrams in Goa?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19026

[celtic isis]

This site too:

The Story of Jesus
is
an Astrological Allegory
for
the Sun passing through the Zodiac each year

http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/bibleastrology.html



We must remember a piece of silver was of but 13 cents of our money or 30 pieces of but $3.90; a very small sum to get for the betrayal to death.
That is an evidence of an allegory.

Which is it, a sacred novel founded on astronomy, or is the story of the Son of God paralleled in the heavens as a testimony?

The truths supposed to be spoken by Christ stamp the character too grand and noble to be cast down. whichever way it is, and If I must err I will err on the side that bears the strongest testimony. If I accept it as an allegory I have but one side; if I accept it as a parallel I have a testimony.

Now which is it?

Is the Christian religion, with all other religions, together with Mythology and Free Masonry, based upon Astrology? Or is it a fact that the Sun and stars are enacting the story of the Christian religion every year? Is the fact about to be recognized that the observation of Sunday as a religious holiday originated with an Astrologer, and is a testimony that the whole work is Astrological?

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/44175/2004542823066396208_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004542823066396208)

[celtic isis]

Here's another thread which I think relates to this whole subject:

Inverted Christian Pentagrams in Goa?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19026

kool good call kasalt :)

[celtic isis]

here are the disciples as their zodiac sign counterparts:

http://www.angelfire.com/stars2/astarot/V1I12/disciples.html

"Being that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one in the realm of the Trinity, I associate the Trinity with the Sun. For many centuries, astrologers believed all planets to orbit the Earth, as though the Earth was self. Modern astrology still views the Earth as self, though since the seventeenth century, we have known that the heavenly bodies orbit the Sun. It is for these reasons that I make this association."

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/44126/2004535632089353343_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004535632089353343)

The "disciples" in groups of 3 making up 4 main groups around the central Jesus figure (the Sun) as depicted by leonardo davinci in The Last Supper (of the harvest)...

[celtic isis]

http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/bibleastrology.html

Is this referring to the 5 pointed star?



They were led on by a bright and beautiful star the ancients had seen in the east, in early morning, in spring and summer months, just as we do now. By the tip of the earth he has apparently fallen to evening star, leading on the heavenly host. We call it Venus, the Goddess of Love. They called it “Lucifer, the light-bearer.”

The silver moon is the ruler of the night, and the beautiful autumn nights are longer than the days, and there are 30 degrees in each sign. These 30 silver moon nights are the 30 pieces of silver Lucifer, Venus, betrayed the sun for. He had been the morning star, but now betrayed for the 30 pieces of silver night, but now cast them down in the potter’s field a graveyard of fall tragedies and disappears here, only to appear again as morning star in the spring, and we see nothing but the man with his bowels broke asunder, which covers Virgo, Libra and Scorpio to the secrets, and Lucifer disappears, to be born again in the springtime.

[phildee3]

I don't think that the twelve apostles were twelve men but twelve couples.
This is a logical extension of the Jesus/Mary Magdalene sacred marriage idea.
The whole celebacy thing came from Paul, who was not even an apsotle, and exploited by Rome as part of their program to control the masses through fear.

[celtic isis]

I don't think that the twelve apostles were twelve men but twelve couples.
This is a logical extension of the Jesus/Mary Magdalene sacred marriage idea.
The whole celebacy thing came from Paul, who was not even an apsotle, and exploited by Rome as part of their program to control the masses through fear.

or twelve zodiac signs :D

that site i found explains things so well! :cool:

[celtic isis]

can anyone help me to find more info on the crux constellation, and the alignment of the sun on december 21-22 so that it is "crucified" on the cross... as the sun resides in that location for 3 days :confused:

it's quite hard to find...

thanks you loads in advance :o

By the way...i didn't know that the winter solstice was also known as "Saturnalia"!!!!

And nimrod the sun god was represented by both saturn and jupiter...

http://www.circlesanctuary.org/pholidays/SaturnaliaInfo.html

"Celebrating the coming/beginning of the SOLAR year..."

[phildee3]

or twelve zodiac signs



Not or but and.

[celtic isis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Gk_FEa30I

found a good vid on trusty U-TOOB :D

[phildee3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Gk_FEa30I

found a good vid on trusty U-TOOB :D

The problem with astrology is that it is based on the arbitrary division of the twelve houses as thirty degrees each.
Astronomically, however, the constellations do not occupy equal sections of the heavens.

I suggest you study astrotheology (google it) rather than astrology.
After all, this is what we are talking about isn't it?

[drael]

Thank god for the mystery schools! :D Not all knowledge has been poluted, because people have kept the truth alive.

Amen-ti = The halls of the dead in thoths emerald tablets

A quick study of any church ritual, as compared with say, a hermetic order of the golden dawn, the egyptian book of the dead, or other egytpian mysticism, shows massive similarity to christianity. That facing of the church, the facing of the alter, the use of blessed water and incense as cleansing, the chalice and other altar tools, the use of repetition, the process of the ritual, and its progression. To me the similarity to egyptian religion is huge. (But of course egyptian religion, as one of the homes of mystery teachings, influenced most modern religion). If you doubt christianity is based on paganism, go to a pagan ritual. Watch for similarities. You will find, all of what happens in church, is in fact based on paganism.

-------

The original golden empire taught not mysticism, but a science beyond our own. The remnants of this are the mystery teachings. It is being rediscovered through teslas tradition, scalar and torsion physics (mainly in russia, theres ongoing research), and unsurprisingly theres a logic through torsion physics for everything in the symbolism of the mystery teachings, even the materials for magickal tools etc.

[phildee3]

I don't see Christianity so much based on astrology as synchronistic with it.
They are both expressions of the same, divine mathematics that was instrumental in the formation of the universe itself.

[paganus]

I don't see Christianity so much based on astrology as synchronistic with it.
They are both expressions of the same, divine mathematics that was instrumental in the formation of the universe itself.dont you think it odd that a religion that apparently forbids astrology,starts with three Magi following a.. er..astrological prediction?

[phildee3]

dont you think it odd that a religion that apparently forbids astrology,starts with three Magi following a.. er..astrological prediction?



The religion of Christianity doesn't forbid astrology;
sects that claim to be Christian do.

No, I don't think it odd that they do this.
Criminal, yes, but not odd.

[celtic isis]

The problem with astrology is that it is based on the arbitrary division of the twelve houses as thirty degrees each.
Astronomically, however, I suggest you study astrotheology (google it) rather than astrology.

After all, this is what we are talking about isn't it?

kool will do :)

[celtic isis]

dont you think it odd that a religion that apparently forbids astrology,starts with three Magi following a.. er..astrological prediction?

:D brilliant!

[celtic isis]

Thank god for the mystery schools! :D Not all knowledge has been poluted, because people have kept the truth alive.

Amen-ti = The halls of the dead in thoths emerald tablets

A quick study of any church ritual, as compared with say, a hermetic order of the golden dawn, the egyptian book of the dead, or other egytpian mysticism, shows massive similarity to christianity. That facing of the church, the facing of the alter, the use of blessed water and incense as cleansing, the chalice and other altar tools, the use of repetition, the process of the ritual, and its progression. To me the similarity to egyptian religion is huge. (But of course egyptian religion, as one of the homes of mystery teachings, influenced most modern religion). If you doubt christianity is based on paganism, go to a pagan ritual. Watch for similarities. You will find, all of what happens in church, is in fact based on paganism.

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The original golden empire taught not mysticism, but a science beyond our own. The remnants of this are the mystery teachings. It is being rediscovered through teslas tradition, scalar and torsion physics (mainly in russia, theres ongoing research), and unsurprisingly theres a logic through torsion physics for everything in the symbolism of the mystery teachings, even the materials for magickal tools etc.


brilliant post drael :) you sound like michael tsarion! i mean that in a good way! it is a compliment of the highest kind :)

[phildee3]

all of what happens in church, is in fact based on paganism.



Early Christianity was pagan.
John the Baptist lived wild, on "locusts and wild honey."
Jesus too, spent most of his time communing with God in the wilderness.
The first Christians (Joseph of Arimathea, according to legend) travelled all the way from Palestine with seeds and cuttings to propogate where they settled (Glastonbury).

As much as they would have liked to, neither Constantine nor the Romans could erase the paganism from their "state" religion or there would have been nothing left!

Christianity is pagan.
It's all one and the same.

Whenever I'm asked my religion on official forms, I write "Christian pagan."
It really does their head in!

[drael]

dont you think it odd that a religion that apparently forbids astrology,starts with three Magi following a.. er..astrological prediction?

Yes, very odd. This, and the fact the bible is full of "prophecy", makes the claim about divination very odd. Check my new sig :)

brilliant post drael you sound like michael tsarion! i mean that in a good way! it is a compliment of the highest kind

Thank you :) Ive been trying to connect dots all my life, im glad it comes out coherently at least some of the time!

Whenever I'm asked my religion on official forms, I write "Christian pagan."
It really does their head in!

Good on ya! Sorta dissociates u from the church too :)

[phildee3]

Good on ya! Sorta dissociates u from the church too

Not the real church.

Only the infiltrated, fake, sectarian "churches," none of which have I ever been a member.


good sig, drael.

[celtic isis]

Yes, very odd. This, and the fact the bible is full of "prophecy", makes the claim about divination very odd. Check my new sig :)



Thank you :) Ive been trying to connect dots all my life, im glad it comes out coherently at least some of the time!


Good on ya! Sorta dissociates u from the church too :)

It does :) You don't hear it while your typing it, but when it's all down in black and white it's very impressive. find that myself too sometimes :o;) lol egotisical of me but well it's true! :D

it's not me you see it's the icke in me trying to get out :)

[phildee3]

It does



Well I don't want to be dissociated from the church - not the real one, anyway, which is pagan, imo.

[cataleptik]

Serpent and the Sun…The main religions have ALL come from the lands of the Sumer Empire.

« Our December the 25th was Rome’s Natils Solis Invicti - the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - and there was a stream of ‘Jesus’ figures in the thousands of years, before Christianity. «


« Christianity is the Babylonian religion of sun worship and goddess worship in disguise. » David Icke

« The Old Testament is founded on Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian accounts, edited and rewritten as required, to create a manufactured history and religion called Judaism…
The New Testament is based on symbolic stories repeated over and over and over in thousands of years before it was compiled, and these relate to a large extent over the Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian religion of Sun worship and Mystery school rituals. The New Testament texts in turn, created a manufactured religion and history called Christianity… »


Any Christian trolls on here read this chapter in Icke’s new book and shut the hell up. Get over it your religion is paganism and originates out of Babylon (church of Babylon) just like all the other religions round the globe.

That’s why at the Vatican alone you have the symbols of Nimrod (the pine cone, in fact the hugest sculpture of a pine cone in the world stands proudly at the Vatican) and the symbols of both nimrod and semiramis all over the Vatican and Christianity in the architecture and symbols, right down to the holy trinity of the god-child-mother/holy ghost that has been repeated throughout every civilisation ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I have no problem with religion, (in fact my mum was a nun for many years in Canada and lived a life of helping others, caring, showing kindness and concern for others always, an example of a good Christian) if it was used in this way, the way it should be intended i.e. to bring people together, to unite people and to aid in their spiritual development, i would still be catholic now wouldn't i. However, this was never the intended purpose of religion! Religion destroys spirituality, and keeps people trapped in individual mind prisons of their own, «*obey or be damned and go to hell!*» Your god loves you yet he condemns you at the same time! It creates war, divide and conflict.

People follow and look to religion as they are lost, they are lost souls because the very people manipulating behind the scenes, who put the false religious structure in place are monopolising the spiritual knowledge for their own benefit and your demise, while they have you blindly following and interpreting all the fables and Jesus etc figure in a literal way.

Christianity is a sun worship religion, a Babylonian religion where all other religions came! It is also an astrology religion, also condemned by Christianity itself, though it is that very thing!

Greek historian Herodotus said that*Babylon was the source from which all «*idolatry*» came.

Sir Austen Henry Layard, one of the leading British archaeologists of the 19th century said « We have the united testimony of scared and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems. »

The Sabbath day is even celebrated on a SUNday, cause it is the worship of the sun, and with Judaism on Saturday or SAURNDAY or NIMROD-day.

Quoting from Icke’s new book and my own additions in italics:

"The Circle of St Peter’s square in Rome, with its eight rays, represents the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar (which becomes Easter), and the obelisk in the centre is Nimrod." (union of male and female principles, sexual union, organ of generation, sun inserted into the female recipient or cup of the female ).

Domes also represent the female ‘cup’ or womb, along with the towers, obelisks represent the phallus. This is a given around almost every church cathedral around the world.

It’s all about the sun; the death of Jesus etc and symbolic rebirth is the festival of the winter and summer solstices as with the story of Samson:

« In the ancient world they used to symbolise the movement of the sun, or the earth in relation to the sun, as the life of a mythical man. He would be born after the winter solstice when he- the Sun- would be portrayed as a baby. The child would then grow up into a strapping, powerful man with long golden hair by the time of the summer solstice when the sun is at its strongest in the northern hemisphere. The long golden hair represented the power of the Sun’s rays at the time. The story told how Samson’s hair became shorter (or was cut of thus losing his power/strength) and he lost his strength as the year entered the autumn or fall. This was represented by the house of Virgo the Virgin or…the house of Delilah. »

Islam is no different, right down to the symbol of the moon and the star/sun used today on its flag…

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you see, it originated in Babylonia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should point out that the "star" on the Islamic flag is repesenting the sun, as you see in the ancient engraving above a stylised star is sun-like, on the islamic flag they just put a simple star but it is representing the sun!!!!



The skull cap is also common to all religions even though they oppose each other, and guess what the skull cap originates out of Babylon/Egypt as well!

« Over all the world, where traces of the Chaldean (Sumerian/Babylonian) system are found, this tonsure of shaving of the head is always found along with it. The priests of Osiris, the Egyptian Bacchus, were always distinguished by the shaving of the of their heads. In Pagan Rome, in India, and even in China, the distinguishing mark of the Babylonian priesthood was the shaven head. «

Quoted from Alexander Hislop - The Two Babylons and included in Icke‘s new book.

‘Amen’ comes from the Egyptian sun god Amon or Amen Ra.

« This (the erasing of the spiritual knowledge/truths) was the motivation behind the Christian Inquisitions that slaughtered multi-millions throughout the world in the name of « fighting the Devil » in God’s holy war against the Heathens. For Heathens read Infidels or goyim depending on your mind prison of choice. The Inquisition terrorised Europe with ‘witches’ and other carries of the knowledge tortured and killed in staggering numbers as the Christian fantasy was mercilessly imposed on once-Celtic lands. «


Where Christianity couldn’t go to do this, Islamic agents did the same, erasing all the truth knowers (druids shamans etc) and keepers of the esoteric truths that were left so that only official dogma would reign supreme until this day.

The fish god Oannes/Dagon ( Nimrod) as symbolised in Babylon and the fish head mitre worn by the pope and others in the Christian hierarchy today. The church of Rome is the church of Babylon under a different name.

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FISH HEAD NAZI GAS MAKING POPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Constantine


« The main man behind the global emergence of Christianity was Emperor Constantine who mad eit the sate religion of Rome and oversaw the Council of Nicea in AD 325 that decided what Christians should believe to this day. The doctrine is still called ‘the Nicene Creed’. »

Oh yes it is and when I read that last night I thought Eureka! I hear echos of that damn thing in my head when everyone around me as a child (and still today) bleat it off each Sunday without even being aware of what it is their saying.

Here is the Nicene Creed (I almost remember it by heart myself):


We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



«*The god-mother-child religion was a global phenomenon before the Flood and was retained in many and various expressions in the fragmented societies that emerged from the deluge. It has been used in its many forms to divide and rule the masses, implant a false history and version of life, and suppress the circulation of the knowledge I detailed in the fist two chapters.*»

«*this knowledge was known in the ancient Mystery religions before and after the Flood and was largely passed on through initiates chosen by he Mystery priesthood, but it was still far more widely available among the general population then the manipulators wanted*…*»

This is referring to the time when there was a global civilisation, and no language, the infamous «*Golden Age«*, humans did not need language as they communicated through telepathy, both human and animal conversed through the same language. This was the time when the esoteric truths/knowledge were known by all, before it was eroded from collective consciousness right up to the present day. We see it (this loss of knowledge) reflected in modern society in feelings of emptiness turned into consumerism, that you can buy happiness; advertising masters use the esoteric knowledge to get you to crave their products and adverts are bursting with sacred symbolism; people have been taught to be symbol illiterate, as symbolism takes the soul higher it can also be use to imprison the soul and the mind. And it’s being used for this on a daily basis and always has been since the day when humanity’s wellbeing as a whole was hijacked.

See Michael Tsarion on youtube - subversive use of occult symbolism in the media.

The bible came from the torah…which came from the TAROT. The Tarot contains all the esoteric truths in symbolic form, it speaks in symbols whereas the bible and torah speak in words and thus lower the spirit/soul as it leaves or leads the mind to interpret what the words mean, whereas with symbols there is a very specific universal truth being shown to you.

www.tarotteachings.com (http://www.tarotteachings.com)

A fantastic resource for understanding the esoteric symbolism encoded in the Tarot.


«*Unravelling the story is much easier when you realise that all the different names for gods and goddesses around the world are basically the same deities. Among the aliases of Semiramis are Isis, Aphrodite, Venus, Artremis, Diana, Athena, Minerva, Demeter, Ceres, Gaea, Terra, Hera, Juno, Hestia, Vesta, Cybele, Europa, Fortuna, and Rea or Ops, the wife and sister of the Greek horned god Kronos (Nimrod). «*

I would think it’s a safe bet to say you could also add Columbia to the above list of goddesses who really represent Semiramis, both are symbolised with the dove; the word columbia means dove; the French word for dove is ‘colombe‘. Comumbia pictures depicting the goddess with the torch or flame of illumination, together with the pyramid. Semiramis IS columbia IS the virgin Mary. M for Mary (Magdelene and Virgin Mary) is the zodiac sign/constellation of Virgo, with a stylised M as it’s symbol.

«*Other names for Nimrod/Tammuz include Osiris/Horus, Baal, Bel, Molech (worshipped at Bohemian Grove), Marduk, Saturn, Jupiter, Janus, Merodach, and Pan. «*

Jesus figures:

«*These include Osiris and Horus (Egypt); Mithra/Mithras (Persia and Rome); Dionysus or Bacchus (known as the ‘serpent son’ in Greece/Rome); Attis of Phrygia (now Turkey); Krishna (India) and of corse Tammuz, or Ninus, in Babylon. Among others are Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Benrillahm of the Druids; Thor son of Odin of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Univeral Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin Io, of Greece; Ixion and Quirinis of Rome and Prometheus of the Caucasus. «*

The Christmas Tree:

«*The pine tree, or Christmas tree, represented Nimrod and a log - the ‘Yule log’ - was thrown on the fire to symbolise his death. On what became our Christmas day, his rebirth was celebrated with a tree, decorations and presents. The representation of Nimrod as a pine tree is symbolised in the major courtyard of the ‘Christian’ Vatican by the biggest sculpture of a pine cone anywhere in the world. «*(Celebrated on December 25th)

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They seemed to have left the pine cone stuff out in my cathecism class!

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LOOOOOOOOK IT'S A SUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!























the real goal of Monotheism was annihilation of understanding of the deity as FEMININE.

in other words, creating the idea that God as Mother was either lies and not real, or relating to something SUBSERVIENT and basically stupid, needing the Father's mighty plasm/chrism/jism to be real and vital, and without that, a useless thing -- or 'prakriti' -- mindless and worthy of shame. it worked.


did this begin in Sumer when worship of multiple gods was frowned upon and wars were fought to make worship of Marduk primary? That's One theory.


worship of Inanna, Eresh-Kigalle, and other deities, like Ea -

was all there before the monotheist TRADITIONS that rule the planet today were established. Yet today we see global attention focused on the area that once was Sumer-Mesopotamia.


It is my personal belief that there was something of the Luciferian religion that took an interest in Sumer/Mesopotamia/Iraq - in the area of blotting out the site where Paradise, the Garden of Eden and therefore the place where "Original Sin" took place. It could be surmised, Wiccan Isis, that such is why the Bush Administration has been BOMBING the place now -- the SUBLIMATED and psychospiritual reason for attacking the region that Mr. Bush may not consciously understand...and for which the ideas of Saddam, Kuwait and petrol had to be contrived and conspired into seeming relevance.


But what it was really all about was attacking the place where Eve, Adam, the Serpent and The Holy Presence were -- attacking it in ways as if to assert "omniscient shock and awe".


i say this believing that if it were brought up fifty years ago it would just be theosophical conjecture -- but TODAY rational understanding and apprehension of these issues could prove practically valuable, especially to people who seek global regime change and peace. If Mr. Bush is Anti ANYTHING he has proven that he is opposed mentally and practically to efforts to create meaningful peace.

[celtic isis]

the real goal of Monotheism was annihilation of understanding of the deity as FEMININE.

in other words, creating the idea that God as Mother was either lies and not real, or relating to something SUBSERVIENT and basically stupid, needing the Father's mighty plasm/chrism/jism to be real and vital, and without that, a useless thing -- or 'prakriti' -- mindless and worthy of shame. it worked.


did this begin in Sumer when worship of multiple gods was frowned upon and wars were fought to make worship of Marduk primary? That's One theory.


worship of Inanna, Eresh-Kigalle, and other deities, like Ea -

was all there before the monotheist TRADITIONS that rule the planet today were established. Yet today we see global attention focused on the area that once was Sumer-Mesopotamia.


It is my personal belief that there was something of the Luciferian religion that took an interest in Sumer/Mesopotamia/Iraq - in the area of blotting out the site where Paradise, the Garden of Eden and therefore the place where "Original Sin" took place. It could be surmised, Wiccan Isis, that such is why the Bush Administration has been BOMBING the place now -- the SUBLIMATED and psychospiritual reason for attacking the region that Mr. Bush may not consciously understand...and for which the ideas of Saddam, Kuwait and petrol had to be contrived and conspired into seeming relevance.


But what it was really all about was attacking the place where Eve, Adam, the Serpent and The Holy Presence were -- attacking it in ways as if to assert "omniscient shock and awe".


i say this believing that if it were brought up fifty years ago it would just be theosophical conjecture -- but TODAY rational understanding and apprehension of these issues could prove practically valuable, especially to people who seek global regime change and peace. If Mr. Bush is Anti ANYTHING he has proven that he is opposed mentally and practically to efforts to create meaningful peace.

great post cataleptik, i'm sorry i missed it until now :o

hehe wiccan isis :o:mad: now now



i just found this great article on this site:

http://www.dailygrail.com/node/5736

clears things up a bit...for me anyway!

"Christmas: Jesus--The Sun God, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth"

by Fahim A. Knight

This brief article is on the origin of Christmas and its so-called correlation to the SUN GOD concept, which the western parable of Jesus originated; moreover, December 25 is the BIRTH OF THE SUN GOD and in reality, this fabrication and/or truth has nothing to do with the Historical and Prophetic man called Jesus (there are actually two Jesus, perhaps another subject for another time) and this propaganda is continually being perpetuated in the name of tradition. But the beneficiaries of the Christmas tradition have always been the merchant class in the United States and around the world, which accumulates over 75% of their annual gross sales and financial profits during the month of December.....


yeee haaa i love my new internet package!

[celtic isis]

just found this really interesting blog too:

http://www.keen.com/CommunityServer/UserBlogPosts/Horus/Constantine--and-Easter-Myths-Exposed/120470.aspx

(putting these here for safe keeping for a future project) ;)

[emerald]

Coincidence that, on the day we are calling APRIL FOOLS DAY, the Assyrians were celebrating the NEW YEAR?:D

[celtic isis]

Coincidence that, on the day we are calling APRIL FOOLS DAY, the Assyrians were celebrating the NEW YEAR?:D

kool! i didn't know that emerald :)

Shame more people wouldn't take the time to bother and find out where things originate from eh :) why did they celebrate new year in april, and why did we come to celebrate it as april fools? ooooh noooo i another thing i have to look up ;) frazzled brain!

nice to see you emerald :)

[emerald]

kool! i didn't know that emerald :)

Shame more people wouldn't take the time to bother and find out where things originate from eh :) why did they celebrate new year in april, and why did we come to celebrate it as april fools? ooooh noooo i another thing i have to look up ;) frazzled brain!

nice to see you emerald :)

Thanks, Isis. I havent known this myself, this recently, this "coincidence". Also I have much to frazzle my brain about and hope to have time to post it.

[bones]

Serpent and the Sun…The main religions have ALL come from the lands of the Sumer Empire.

« Our December the 25th was Rome’s Natils Solis Invicti - the Birth of the Unconquered Sun - and there was a stream of ‘Jesus’ figures in the thousands of years, before Christianity. «


« Christianity is the Babylonian religion of sun worship and goddess worship in disguise. » David Icke

« The Old Testament is founded on Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian accounts, edited and rewritten as required, to create a manufactured history and religion called Judaism…
The New Testament is based on symbolic stories repeated over and over and over in thousands of years before it was compiled, and these relate to a large extent over the Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian religion of Sun worship and Mystery school rituals. The New Testament texts in turn, created a manufactured religion and history called Christianity… »


Any Christian trolls on here read this chapter in Icke’s new book and shut the hell up. Get over it your religion is paganism and originates out of Babylon (church of Babylon) just like all the other religions round the globe.

That’s why at the Vatican alone you have the symbols of Nimrod (the pine cone, in fact the hugest sculpture of a pine cone in the world stands proudly at the Vatican) and the symbols of both nimrod and semiramis all over the Vatican and Christianity in the architecture and symbols, right down to the holy trinity of the god-child-mother/holy ghost that has been repeated throughout every civilisation ALL OVER THE WORLD.

I have no problem with religion, (in fact my mum was a nun for many years in Canada and lived a life of helping others, caring, showing kindness and concern for others always, an example of a good Christian) if it was used in this way, the way it should be intended i.e. to bring people together, to unite people and to aid in their spiritual development, i would still be catholic now wouldn't i. However, this was never the intended purpose of religion! Religion destroys spirituality, and keeps people trapped in individual mind prisons of their own, «*obey or be damned and go to hell!*» Your god loves you yet he condemns you at the same time! It creates war, divide and conflict.

People follow and look to religion as they are lost, they are lost souls because the very people manipulating behind the scenes, who put the false religious structure in place are monopolising the spiritual knowledge for their own benefit and your demise, while they have you blindly following and interpreting all the fables and Jesus etc figure in a literal way.

Christianity is a sun worship religion, a Babylonian religion where all other religions came! It is also an astrology religion, also condemned by Christianity itself, though it is that very thing!

Greek historian Herodotus said that*Babylon was the source from which all «*idolatry*» came.

Sir Austen Henry Layard, one of the leading British archaeologists of the 19th century said « We have the united testimony of scared and profane history that idolatry originated in the area of Babylonia - the most ancient of religious systems. »

The Sabbath day is even celebrated on a SUNday, cause it is the worship of the sun, and with Judaism on Saturday or SAURNDAY or NIMROD-day.

Quoting from Icke’s new book and my own additions in italics:

"The Circle of St Peter’s square in Rome, with its eight rays, represents the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar (which becomes Easter), and the obelisk in the centre is Nimrod." (union of male and female principles, sexual union, organ of generation, sun inserted into the female recipient or cup of the female ).

Domes also represent the female ‘cup’ or womb, along with the towers, obelisks represent the phallus. This is a given around almost every church cathedral around the world.

It’s all about the sun; the death of Jesus etc and symbolic rebirth is the festival of the winter and summer solstices as with the story of Samson:

« In the ancient world they used to symbolise the movement of the sun, or the earth in relation to the sun, as the life of a mythical man. He would be born after the winter solstice when he- the Sun- would be portrayed as a baby. The child would then grow up into a strapping, powerful man with long golden hair by the time of the summer solstice when the sun is at its strongest in the northern hemisphere. The long golden hair represented the power of the Sun’s rays at the time. The story told how Samson’s hair became shorter (or was cut of thus losing his power/strength) and he lost his strength as the year entered the autumn or fall. This was represented by the house of Virgo the Virgin or…the house of Delilah. »

Islam is no different, right down to the symbol of the moon and the star/sun used today on its flag…

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you see, it originated in Babylonia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should point out that the "star" on the Islamic flag is repesenting the sun, as you see in the ancient engraving above a stylised star is sun-like, on the islamic flag they just put a simple star but it is representing the sun!!!!



The skull cap is also common to all religions even though they oppose each other, and guess what the skull cap originates out of Babylon/Egypt as well!

« Over all the world, where traces of the Chaldean (Sumerian/Babylonian) system are found, this tonsure of shaving of the head is always found along with it. The priests of Osiris, the Egyptian Bacchus, were always distinguished by the shaving of the of their heads. In Pagan Rome, in India, and even in China, the distinguishing mark of the Babylonian priesthood was the shaven head. «

Quoted from Alexander Hislop - The Two Babylons and included in Icke‘s new book.

‘Amen’ comes from the Egyptian sun god Amon or Amen Ra.

« This (the erasing of the spiritual knowledge/truths) was the motivation behind the Christian Inquisitions that slaughtered multi-millions throughout the world in the name of « fighting the Devil » in God’s holy war against the Heathens. For Heathens read Infidels or goyim depending on your mind prison of choice. The Inquisition terrorised Europe with ‘witches’ and other carries of the knowledge tortured and killed in staggering numbers as the Christian fantasy was mercilessly imposed on once-Celtic lands. «


Where Christianity couldn’t go to do this, Islamic agents did the same, erasing all the truth knowers (druids shamans etc) and keepers of the esoteric truths that were left so that only official dogma would reign supreme until this day.

The fish god Oannes/Dagon ( Nimrod) as symbolised in Babylon and the fish head mitre worn by the pope and others in the Christian hierarchy today. The church of Rome is the church of Babylon under a different name.

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FISH HEAD NAZI GAS MAKING POPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Constantine


« The main man behind the global emergence of Christianity was Emperor Constantine who mad eit the sate religion of Rome and oversaw the Council of Nicea in AD 325 that decided what Christians should believe to this day. The doctrine is still called ‘the Nicene Creed’. »

Oh yes it is and when I read that last night I thought Eureka! I hear echos of that damn thing in my head when everyone around me as a child (and still today) bleat it off each Sunday without even being aware of what it is their saying.

Here is the Nicene Creed (I almost remember it by heart myself):


We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



«*The god-mother-child religion was a global phenomenon before the Flood and was retained in many and various expressions in the fragmented societies that emerged from the deluge. It has been used in its many forms to divide and rule the masses, implant a false history and version of life, and suppress the circulation of the knowledge I detailed in the fist two chapters.*»

«*this knowledge was known in the ancient Mystery religions before and after the Flood and was largely passed on through initiates chosen by he Mystery priesthood, but it was still far more widely available among the general population then the manipulators wanted*…*»

This is referring to the time when there was a global civilisation, and no language, the infamous «*Golden Age«*, humans did not need language as they communicated through telepathy, both human and animal conversed through the same language. This was the time when the esoteric truths/knowledge were known by all, before it was eroded from collective consciousness right up to the present day. We see it (this loss of knowledge) reflected in modern society in feelings of emptiness turned into consumerism, that you can buy happiness; advertising masters use the esoteric knowledge to get you to crave their products and adverts are bursting with sacred symbolism; people have been taught to be symbol illiterate, as symbolism takes the soul higher it can also be use to imprison the soul and the mind. And it’s being used for this on a daily basis and always has been since the day when humanity’s wellbeing as a whole was hijacked.

See Michael Tsarion on youtube - subversive use of occult symbolism in the media.

The bible came from the torah…which came from the TAROT. The Tarot contains all the esoteric truths in symbolic form, it speaks in symbols whereas the bible and torah speak in words and thus lower the spirit/soul as it leaves or leads the mind to interpret what the words mean, whereas with symbols there is a very specific universal truth being shown to you.

www.tarotteachings.com

A fantastic resource for understanding the esoteric symbolism encoded in the Tarot.


«*Unravelling the story is much easier when you realise that all the different names for gods and goddesses around the world are basically the same deities. Among the aliases of Semiramis are Isis, Aphrodite, Venus, Artremis, Diana, Athena, Minerva, Demeter, Ceres, Gaea, Terra, Hera, Juno, Hestia, Vesta, Cybele, Europa, Fortuna, and Rea or Ops, the wife and sister of the Greek horned god Kronos (Nimrod). «*

I would think it’s a safe bet to say you could also add Columbia to the above list of goddesses who really represent Semiramis, both are symbolised with the dove; the word columbia means dove; the French word for dove is ‘colombe‘. Comumbia pictures depicting the goddess with the torch or flame of illumination, together with the pyramid. Semiramis IS columbia IS the virgin Mary. M for Mary (Magdelene and Virgin Mary) is the zodiac sign/constellation of Virgo, with a stylised M as it’s symbol.

«*Other names for Nimrod/Tammuz include Osiris/Horus, Baal, Bel, Molech (worshipped at Bohemian Grove), Marduk, Saturn, Jupiter, Janus, Merodach, and Pan. «*

Jesus figures:

«*These include Osiris and Horus (Egypt); Mithra/Mithras (Persia and Rome); Dionysus or Bacchus (known as the ‘serpent son’ in Greece/Rome); Attis of Phrygia (now Turkey); Krishna (India) and of corse Tammuz, or Ninus, in Babylon. Among others are Buddha Sakia of India; Salivahana of Bermuda; Odin of Scandinavia; Crite of Chaldea; Zoroster of Persia; Baal and Taut of Phoenicia; Indra of Tibet; Bali of Afghanistan; Jao of Nepal; Wittoba of Bilingonese; Xamolxis of Thrace; Zoar of the Bonzes; Adad of Assyria; Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam; Alcides of Thebes; Mikado of the Sintoos; Beddru of Japan; Hesus or Eros, and Benrillahm of the Druids; Thor son of Odin of the Gauls; Cadmus of Greece; Hil and Feta of Mandaites; Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico; Univeral Monarch of the Sibyls; Ischy of Formosa; Holy One of Xaca; Fohi and Tien of China; Adonis, son of virgin Io, of Greece; Ixion and Quirinis of Rome and Prometheus of the Caucasus. «*

The Christmas Tree:

«*The pine tree, or Christmas tree, represented Nimrod and a log - the ‘Yule log’ - was thrown on the fire to symbolise his death. On what became our Christmas day, his rebirth was celebrated with a tree, decorations and presents. The representation of Nimrod as a pine tree is symbolised in the major courtyard of the ‘Christian’ Vatican by the biggest sculpture of a pine cone anywhere in the world. «*(Celebrated on December 25th)

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They seemed to have left the pine cone stuff out in my cathecism class!

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LOOOOOOOOK IT'S A SUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

love that read buddy. cheers!!!

[celtic isis]

love that read buddy. cheers!!!

haha thanks bones lol

now i see i made mistakes, i'm spiffing it up for another forum at the mo! :o i know my life is tragic lol

ah you just sent me off to bed with a smile on me face :)

[celtic isis]

Thanks, Isis. I havent known this myself, this recently, this "coincidence". Also I have much to frazzle my brain about and hope to have time to post it.

as do i :D

[featheredserpent]

there is only one truth and that is love,there is only one lie and that is to deceive you .be one love,for all things.featheredserpent

[octopusrex]

there is only one truth and that is love,there is only one lie and that is to deceive you .be one love,for all things.featheredserpent

Truth = Love.

[celtic isis]

there is only one truth and that is love,there is only one lie and that is to deceive you .be one love,for all things.featheredserpent

maybe someone should tell that to the pope :cool:

[octopusrex]

Actually, speaking of that..

I'd love to get:

1. The Pope - for the christians
2. Osama Bin Laden - for the muslims
3. The current Prime Minister of Israel - for the Jews
4. My Guru - for the Vaisnavas
5. My Peyote Guru - for the Peyoteros
6. The Dalai Lama - for the Buddhists
7. whatever religious leaders who command more than five hundred million souls

and put them all in a live-tv. show to figure out what needs to occur to bring about world peace NOW.

8. Oh, yeah. And the President of China for the atheists.