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devin
05-01-2008, 03:23 PM
They are telling us that there will be a police state, a one world religion-bank-government, a microchipped population, a cashless society, etc...

Why?

When they take away our liberties, they take our liberties away gradually. It is not even close-to-possible for them to implement these outrageous violations to our liberties in a few years as they want us to believe.

So why would they so greatly exaggerate their plans?

So when they take away less significant liberties their opponents go "Well at least they're not putting bar codes on us yet..."

They are exaggerating so that we consent to what they are really doing.

Will they ever have their dreams of a microchipped population,etc..? If we continue to allow more and more every year then they probably will eventually - but not in a few years.

Part of their plan in America right now is to put out these really popular presidential candidates who say all the right things - who stand for the people! Then they will get those candidates elected, something truly awful will happen (staged or otherwise), and then when that beloved president proposes "My fellow americans, why don't you folks hand over your guns now... c'mon now, this is overdue." The people will say "You know what? He's right. Let's do this. It's the right thing to do. This guy is all for the people and their freedoms and I've backed him since he came on the scene a few years a go and I know he is the real deal but it's bloody 2009 now and the world is not the same as it was back then. I support this president 100% still to this day and I'm going to listen to him and hand over my guns!"

If we want to look at all these conspiracies at a higher level (because they do have a set of traps for every step we take)... it is all designed for us to be distracted by their external world because, yahweh forbid,we remember who we are. That is their greatest fear.

Drop all beliefs now. Stop assuming. Walk away from the horror stories as well as the fairy tales and look within to see what we really need to do. I can assure you that we are not supposed to waiting for anything...good or bad.

cowboy
05-01-2008, 03:38 PM
I agree with you to an extent. I sincerely believe if they could enslave us overnight, they would. However, as you said they do it very gradually so the general public isn't aware. As they say, If a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will just sit there and boil to death.

The bottom line is, if we don't inform the public about the whole plot they will eventually move closer and closer to the "end game", which is the microchipping the population. Realistically it looks like that is a good 10 years away. With that said, they will continue using the problem-reaction-solution, and taking everything away slowly.

devin
05-01-2008, 03:43 PM
I agree with you to an extent. I sincerely believe if they could enslave us overnight, they would. However, as you said they do it very gradually so the general public isn't aware. As they say, If a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will just sit there and boil to death.

The bottom line is, if we don't inform the public about the whole plot they will eventually move closer and closer to the "end game", which is the microchipping the population. Realistically it looks like that is a good 10 years away. With that said, they will continue using the problem-reaction-solution, and taking everything away slowly.

Yes inform the public, but we and the newly-informed need to now become totally uncompromising with them.

devin
05-01-2008, 03:56 PM
I call it False Problem - Distraction - Compromise.

Where are all the protests about Chemtrails? "Chemtrails? They are a problem but have you not heard of the Greys?"

octopusrex
05-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Fear of loosing one's power is the motivation behind the "elite" and you once you become the new "elite" if you manage to take their place.

devin
05-01-2008, 04:14 PM
Fear of loosing one's power is the motivation behind the "elite" and you once you become the new "elite" if you manage to take their place.

Fear of losing it and love of having it.

octopusrex
05-01-2008, 04:15 PM
Yep.

Thats why getting rid of the fear/love thing is the key to real freedom.

devin
05-01-2008, 04:16 PM
Yep.

But to me your making it sound like a continuous process. Do you think it is possible that one day no one will want to have power over another?

kblood
05-01-2008, 04:24 PM
As I see it, making Americans believe they need guns to protect themselves and their family is a brilliant way of putting fear into the people. Owning a gun is proof of fear the way I see it.

devin
05-01-2008, 04:26 PM
As I see it, making Americans believe they need guns to protect themselves and their family is a brilliant way of putting fear into the people. Owning a gun is proof of fear the way I see it.

I was using guns as an example to prove a point. However, we are not awake enough to give up our guns right now. If we were to give up our guns at this stage in the game it would be over.

cowboy
05-01-2008, 04:33 PM
As I see it, making Americans believe they need guns to protect themselves and their family is a brilliant way of putting fear into the people. Owning a gun is proof of fear the way I see it.

I wouldn't say that. Over 50 million people have been slaughtered by their government in the 20th century after being disarmed.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing"

- Adolf Hitler.

I'm not saying sleeping with a gun under your pillow is what you should do. However, you must realize why the NRA and the government are passing and vigorously pushing for gun control. You can't enslave a society who is allowed to protect themselves from tyranny.

Personally, I don't fear death, or robbers. But I feel it is a responsibility to protect myself, my family, and the human race when it comes to total enslavement. It's good to think positive, and be fearless, but that won't help stop the NWO who is doing their best to kill you and your family.


Edit: I agree a society without guns is the end goal for people who want infinite love and peace. However, at this point in the game it would be just used to enslave the population and nothing else.

devin
05-01-2008, 09:52 PM
I wouldn't say that. Over 50 million people have been slaughtered by their government in the 20th century after being disarmed.

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing"

- Adolf Hitler.

I'm not saying sleeping with a gun under your pillow is what you should do. However, you must realize why the NRA and the government are passing and vigorously pushing for gun control. You can't enslave a society who is allowed to protect themselves from tyranny.

Personally, I don't fear death, or robbers. But I feel it is a responsibility to protect myself, my family, and the human race when it comes to total enslavement. It's good to think positive, and be fearless, but that won't help stop the NWO who is doing their best to kill you and your family.


Edit: I agree a society without guns is the end goal for people who want infinite love and peace. However, at this point in the game it would be just used to enslave the population and nothing else.

The problem is is that time is running out for how much safety our measly little guns give us when their weapons technology increases every day.

adramelech
05-01-2008, 11:02 PM
They are telling us that there will be a police state, a one world religion-bank-government, a microchipped population, a cashless society, etc...

Why?


Because the elite, for the most part, are inhuman, arrogant psychopaths. For all the talk the conspiracy community gives to "tip toe" tactics and behind the scenes plans, absolutely nothing the physical ruling elite have ever done in ten thousand plus years of human history has been secretive in the least bit. Everything is completely out in the open for those who have eyes to see. In fact, if it wasn't, such symbolic control wouldn't be nearly as effective. They work more in inhibiting the human machine from accessing higher awareness or knowledge of universal symbolism.

That said, you do have a point. Providing a probable timeline of future events for the subconscious to manifest is a technique called predictive programming. Quite the common method for elite programmers.

devin
05-01-2008, 11:32 PM
Because the elite, for the most part, are inhuman, arrogant psychopaths. For all the talk the conspiracy community gives to "tip toe" tactics and behind the scenes plans, absolutely nothing the physical ruling elite have ever done in ten thousand plus years of human history has been secretive in the least bit. Everything is completely out in the open for those who have eyes to see. In fact, if it wasn't, such symbolic control wouldn't be nearly as effective. They work more in inhibiting the human machine from accessing higher awareness or knowledge of universal symbolism.

That said, you do have a point. Providing a probable timeline of future events for the subconscious to manifest is a technique called predictive programming. Quite the common method for elite programmers.

What is out in the open? Every researcher contradicts the other. They spread confusion about what they are doing. So it might be somewhere out there in the open but it isn't clear what it is.

octopusrex
06-01-2008, 12:31 AM
But to me your making it sound like a continuous process. Do you think it is possible that one day no one will want to have power over another?

I have NO desire to have power over another (unless the fucker is trying to kill me).

And regarding gun control and all that. A gun is a messy weapon. It is a brute thug's weapon. Try knives.

devin
06-01-2008, 12:36 AM
I have NO desire to have power over another (unless the fucker is trying to kill me).

But power over others comes in many forms. It's not just about having a person on a 30 ft leash as he walks directly in front of you in a minefield. There are more subtle ways to have power over others.

octopusrex
06-01-2008, 12:44 AM
You got it switched around.

You EMPOWER yourself - more specifically your false ego.

Nothing wrong with that. If folks feel threatened by your "power" it has to do more with their feeling of inferiority than with your desire to have power over them.

However, if you are really wise, you try to set your sights higher. Learn from the real masters of the game: Buddha, Krsna, Jesus... Mohammed.

All of them have more or less the same thing to say in different guises. But you gotta know how to read between the lines sometimes. How to "feel" the message with your heart.

devin
06-01-2008, 12:49 AM
You got it switched around.

You EMPOWER yourself - more specifically your false ego.

Nothing wrong with that. If folks feel threatened by your "power" it has to do more with their feeling of inferiority than with your desire to have power over them.

However, if you are really wise, you try to set your sights higher. Learn from the real masters of the game: Buddha, Krsna, Jesus... Mohammed.

All of them have more or less the same thing to say in different guises. But you gotta know how to read between the lines sometimes. How to "feel" the message with your heart.

But what if you have a secret that empowers you and if you shared this secret then others who feel inferior to you (because of your power) would become as poweful as you are... but you don't share your secret nor do you use it to have power over them?

octopusrex
06-01-2008, 01:03 AM
It is a difficult task to be transparent.

I have no secrets. Do you?

In time, everything will be revealed. It is a promise Jesus made.

I for one, would hold him to it.

neutron flux
06-01-2008, 01:13 AM
Because the elite, for the most part, are inhuman, arrogant psychopaths. For all the talk the conspiracy community gives to "tip toe" tactics and behind the scenes plans, absolutely nothing the physical ruling elite have ever done in ten thousand plus years of human history has been secretive in the least bit. Everything is completely out in the open for those who have eyes to see. In fact, if it wasn't, such symbolic control wouldn't be nearly as effective. They work more in inhibiting the human machine from accessing higher awareness or knowledge of universal symbolism.

That said, you do have a point. Providing a probable timeline of future events for the subconscious to manifest is a technique called predictive programming. Quite the common method for elite programmers.


Yes, and because people have no knowledge on pathological deviants the cycle goes on. If people had the knowledge on such pathological behaviour, we wouldn't stand for such minds in power.