reaction to the jewish zionist conspiracy

[edro9494]

curious to hear what everyone who doesnt have a jewish/zionist bias thinks of this site and/or the role of zionism in this grander illuminati conspiracy.
http://ancpage.com/conspiracy.htm

ive always had the traditional view of the illuminati, if you could say. The view you get in the icke and other illuminati books. I never got into the jewish elements of it or "jewish conspiracy theories" mainly because i had a Pavlovian response to such an idea being anti-semitic/racist.

but after putting fundamental cliques of Banking, business, and media together and finding the common denominators of Jewish prevalence, im starting to question what ive been taught. this is especially the case after listening to daryl bradford smith at Iamthewitness.com. He documents that Israel carried out the attacks and exposes that Alex Jones, Rense, Fetzer, Makow, Chussodovsky, palast, ruppert, aaron russo, dylan avery (loose change guy), GCN radio, webster tarpley, etc. WILL NOT TOUCH THE ISRAELI EVIDENCE. THEY DENY ISRAELI ZIONISM CONSPIRATORIAL ELEMENTS. they say globalists, satanists, new world order, and international bankers instead. they never drop the names of these people, just give them mysterious, shadowy extra-government nicknames.

think about it
Media- Jew owned and controlled
Banking- FED is entirely Jewish. anyone ever heard of the Rothschilds being jewish? stars of david on 1-dollar bills?
hollywood- dominated by Jewish bias
the porn industry- claimed to be controlled by jewish interests.

Nazism, Communism, Bolshevism, Marxism all had main actors who were Jewish. why is that? these were also all funded by the banking Jews, to add to it.

Israel is never held responsible for war crimes or any other criminal activities such as international terrorism. their involvement in 9/11 is CLASSIFIED. WHY?

big political powers in america are predom. Jewish- ADL, JDL, ACLU, AIPAC, dont forget about the MEDIA.

Why are we indoctrinated with Anne Franke in our public school system, when Stalin and Mao Tse Tung killed 10's of millions more? Are dead Jewish people more important to know about than Chinese or Russian non-Jews that are dead from genicide? they never mention any of that in american history classes.

in europe you dont dare speak about historical details, especially the Holocaust otherwise you go to PRISON, no questions asked! Think of how blatantly Orwellian that is! Think of the psychology of that!

Jews make up 1-5(at most)% or world wide population
how do you explain 1 race/ethnicity, an improbably minority at that, controlling the world to such an extent?

Do i bring up good questions that are hard to answer?
or am i completely off base?

[edro9494]

In 1855, the renowned Rabbi Isaac Wise wrote: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."

The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"

[edro9494]

Ray Novosel, writing from Australia in 2004, states: "Zionist world leaders, men in influential positions with the various Masonic organizations everywhere, have worked ‘hand in glove’ for a universal world revolution, which will bring in the One World Church and a One World Government. Many Masonic Lodges are exclusively Jewish, as are the controlling B’nai B’rith Lodges—the mother of the infamous and very dangerous Anti-Defamation League (ADL)."

Albert Pike maintained that, "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion." Pike also asserted that the true meanings of the mysterious and arcane symbols of Freemasonry are found in the occult philosophy of the Jewish Cabala, that Freemasonry owes all its secrets to the Cabala, and that Freemasonry is a religion based on the Cabala.

[edro9494]

http://www.texemarrs.com/042003/masonic_jews_plot_world_control.htm

[kha zarr]

edro the first site at the top, ancpage, at the bottom, promotes many of the things iamthewitness.com warns against.

Have you read this one yet?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ernst-Zundel-5-years-in-jail.html

Theres a whole lot of info on ancpage but, look near the bottom at what links are reccommended. Why does ancpages 911 page promote antiwar, whatreallyhappened and infowars? They support Zundel but Dont mention Robert Faurisson. Who knows - its just something I noticed when I decided to take a look.

[tru3]

i don't know if you've ever had a chance to check out 2tuff's material, but he is a one-man printing press:

The Most Powerful Man In The World
THE SUPERIOR GENERAL
(THE BLACK POPE)
- Peter Hans Kolvenbach -
THE UNHIVED MIND

What makes me laugh is when people say Peter Hans Kolvenbach mustn't be the ruler because we know of him, yet many of these same people band about claiming Rothschild is the leader yet far more people easily become aware of Rothschild than they ever do until recently of the Superior General of the Company of Jesus. These people wish to believe the first things which come along which still fit into their psychologically controlled minds. Whilst religion is basically nonsense and yes a controller we must understand that all these different races tend to stick to a particular religion wether its Gentiles mostly with Christianity or Asians with Muslim. Now what happens is that the Vatican's disinformation artists get out on tv, radio and internet and some try to highlight that religion is a complete con, which is correct. What this then does is simply make things worse as the truthseekers will shut off as soon as they come across religious wordings and knowledge. What does this do? Makes them gatekeeper themselves just as they always used to and losing out key points which are crucial. I have no religion and hate religion but I still pushed through the Christianity stuff in order to learn further on the conspiracy and the Jesuit Order with its Vatican. I've come across Jew bashers slagging me off for having some religious texts within information I help spread out. What these people forget is that their Jews also have a religion which is really based around a book called the Talmud and of course theres some jews which worship the Torah. These are very religious people yet thats forgot conveniantly. It seems the mind has been indoctrinated to see just men in black/white clothing as deeply religious whilst others that don't doesn't matter. At the end of all this the real religion of ALL which is not exclusive to Jew as your told is Zionism which I content is actually Sionism. Remember on that the Grand Orient lodge of France within the Order of the Illuminati is actually the Priore De Sion. Also remember the battling between the Sionists and the Knights Templars of which the Templars lost in the end. So what is Zionism? Its a RELIGION with much nonsense I can imagine as all the others. Infact you will know for sure shortly as so much of their religion will be handed down to yourselves when the one-world religion is handed down to us all in the coming future. This religion will be based on all we expose of Freemasonry believe etc and will of course be written by the Jesuit Order who seem to have wrote every other document and degree that crops up wether it be the Protocols of the ELders of Zion (Originally Sion) just as they did with the Janesists previously with almost exactly the same titled Protocols. Who created all the degrees of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite? Jesuits including the ones instituted by Fredrick the Great II. Which masonic group controls the B'Nai B'Rith it created in New York? The Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry which by the way also comes under the Templar banner. Just as Leo Zagami highlights theres no real Templars anymore regardless what they lead you to believe, their simply Vatican puppets and most Templars are absolutely nothing compared to the high ranks of the world banking system fully controlled by the Sovereign Military of Malta and its Papal Knights such as David Rockefella. Just go check up on the big wigs of Wall Street and so forth and see whos a Papal Knight. The SMOM control New York, The City, Dubai & Switzerland. We hear all day long from amateurs well why do the Swiss protect the Pope?. They use this to claim someone somewhere in Switzerland is more powerful. Well if they actually did some real research they would find that when theres a real threat to the Pope etc that the Swiss guard is removed and immediately the Sovereign Military of Malta is put in charge. All the Swiss guard is there for is simply symbolism.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=117&highlight=zion#post117

he's just as convinced the jesuits are running things. actually, the most compelling evidence to me is that the writer of the protocols of sion was jesuit trained (cant' remember the guys name-duh!); even icke mentions this fact.

so who's right? is 2tuff a zionist disinformer? is albie right when he says the hitler/rothschild connection a red herring?

hell if i know. who's got enough hours in the day to sort all this shit out?

anyway, what if they're both right?

the babylonian mystery schools always had a left-hand and a right-hand school. they are the masters of duplicity, duality and illusion. it make perfect sense to me that the jesuits are the left-hand (mystery, faith, psychological manipulation) and the red shields are the right hand (economic/material/social manipulation).

perfect sense. ;)

[anoninnyc]

Jews make up 1-5(at most)% or world wide population
how do you explain 1 race/ethnicity, an improbably minority at that, controlling the world to such an extent?

Do i bring up good questions that are hard to answer?
or am i completely off base?

bc ashkenazi jews have the highest iqs out of anyone.

[awakensong]

Just wondering if anyone has ever noticed the connection between the Jewish Sabbath and the 'name' of that day of the week? Saturday is "Saturn's Day" which was the 'primordial' or 'primeval' Sun, or "best Sun" in ancient times. It was also known as "Helios". Today we call a different orb the "Sun", but Saturn was worshipped in ancient times, also known now as "El" and "Jehovah".

Sunday, of course, is "Sun's Day", and is the day of worship for Christians, whose "God" rose from the dead supposedly on a "Sunday". Of course, this is the celebration of Winter Solstice.

I have gained a great deal from research on Saturn, Sun and Helios. Saturn was the ruler and 'god' of the Jewish people, which is why they called themselves 'the elect', 'the chosen' and 'the children of God'; Saturn being the ruling planet of the day in ancient times. Jupiter was remote and benevolent, and I suspect that is the Gnostic's "Transcendant God"; the Hindus' "Vishnu" and the Native Americans' "Grandfather God/ Grandmother Goddess". These things are not very widely known yet, but are coming to the forefront slowly by surely.

Helios Biblos is the name we know in English as "Holy Bible". Translated, it literally means "Book of Saturn" or "Book of the Sun" which was Saturn in ancient days. The bible is an encoded book of astronomy; of that I have no more doubt.

A few references:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040923saturn-ancient.htm

http://www.12x30.net/saturn.html

http://www.maverickscience.com/saturn.htm

Few historians or scientific researchers have gone back far enough to uncover these mysteries of the ancients.

Nothing I've said or presented here is intended to be bashing or derogatory - just a search for historical truth in the quest for global peace.

[seamus]

bc ashkenazi jews have the highest iqs out of anyone.

Not if you count into intelligence an understanding of the working of karmic law. Which they as a people, due to their beloved talmudic teachings, lack.

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[anoninnyc]

very true seamus, very true. the talmud is one of the most racist things i have ever read.

[albie]

Jews make up 1-5(at most)% or world wide population
how do you explain 1 race/ethnicity, an improbably minority at that, controlling the world to such an extent?

Did you miss the debate concerning jewish IQ? They have the highest.

Hence better jobs.

They also have been persecuted for very long by people who don't have the intellect to see past unsubstaniated conspiracy theories.

So they have had to try harder than most.

They have a strong work ethic.

In all it amounts to what you see today.

They may well be very influencial. Their money is everywhere.

And yes they may push a jewish agenda as we all push our own agenda.

Doesn't mean they are trying to take over the world. Nobody owns you.

It's not like they are pushing their religion on us. Like Muslims would if they were in charge.

[albie]

If current trends continue, European society will be politically destroyed within about 100 years. This situation is extremely serious.

The European people must quickly terminate the Jewish conspiracy to ensure their survival and prosperity. European leaders have been extremely negligent in defending the European people and in defending against the Jewish conspiracy


terminate the Jewish conspiracy? How? steal their money? don't allow jews to work? push them out of our countries?

Sounds familiar.

It's disguised racism. Icke should be ashamed.

[albie]

The Jews have been allowed to live in freedom in the United States, Canada, Britain, Germany, France, and other European nations for hundreds of years. However, the Jews have waged a long term race war against their host nations.

23. The Jewish conspirators are motivated by hatred, violence, destruction, racism, greed, and competition.

24. The Jews use any and all methods to attack European society, including war, revolution, crime, propaganda, laws, and deception.

Complete crap. Supposition.

Edro. How can you sleep knowing you've posted such hate mongering shit?

I think you really should look deep down and see where this is really coming from.

Hate.

[albie]

(5) JEWS OF WORLD WAR I

Many Jews planned, financed, started, and sustained World War I, including:

* Leo Moritz Amery, politician, Britain
* Bernard Baruch, banker, USA
* Theodor Bethmann-Hollweg, foreign minister, Germany
* Louis Brandeis, politician, USA
* Winston Churchill, politician, Britain
* Theodor Herzl, Zionist, Austria
* Gavrilo Princip, assassinated Archduke Franz, Serbia
* Franklin Delano Roosevelt, politician, USA
* Theodore Roosevelt, president, USA
* Nathan Rothschild, banker, Britain
* Lionel Rothschild, banker, Britain
* Herbert Samuel, businessman, Britain
* Jacob Schiff, banker, USA
* Chaim Weizmann, politician, Britain
* Woodrow Wilson, president, USA
* Emile Zola, journalist, France

What you mean is that bankers loaned money to Germany, as they did to many countries. And Germany, one of the few countries they loaned money to, in their capacity as BANKERS, started a war.

[albie]

Theodor Herzl, Zionist, Austria

Herzl died in 1904.

Was he a ghost.

Really edro, check your evidence man!:mad:

[albie]

Winston Churchill was not a jew. His grandfather Leonard Jerome wasn't a jew. It's a notorious fabrication.

[albie]

http://www.search.com/reference/Leonard_Jerome

Some antisemitic publications have claimed that Leonard Jerome was born ([[1]]) Leonard Jacobson and changed his name to Jerome. In fact the Jerome name dates back to Timothy Jerome, who was a Huguenot. Jenny Jerome was said to have ([[2]]) Iroquois blood

[rcrist]

boo hoo go home and cry to mama. You have just told everyone a cock and bull story of how jews have the highest I.Q.s. We know you are the superior, I mean youre the chosen ones and we are just gentiles (animals). Then you want sympathy?!?!?!

[seamus]

Hmm... Albie could have put that all in one or two posts. Methinks this thread was taking a turn he did not like.

So, about the racist Talmud then...

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[seamus]

It states rather explicitly that a Jew is not required to deal truthfully with goyim. What do you say to that, albie?

s

[ho1ogram]

G'day all,

everyone on this forum has a right to present the facts they see fit as long as it remains on topic. We all have different perspectives on life.

Just a reminder to keep things civilised, we don't want to see a flame war erupt on this thread. State your opinion and back it up with links or sources if you can without baiting each other and resorting to personal attacks. Okay?
Cheers,
ho1ogram :)

[kha zarr]

Anyone read the article about Danny Lewin on FL 11 [judicial-inc]? Read the part about Betty Ong. Or Kay Griggs' 'desperate wives' interviews? Very strange stuff.

Id have an easier time looking at vatican / smom type stuff it it connected more directly w/all the small details of stuff like 911, since the devil is indeed, in, the details. I have trouble seeing this connection, from the posts of 2tuff that ive read so far anyway, only about a few - theres a lot. I did see mention of rockefeller but actually only then did I realize how little I know about the rockefellers, except theyre real rich.

maybe im not as awake as i think i am.

Im still puzzled about the BBC bldg 7 collapse error report, 22 min before. I mean, how??? And why did police tell people to go BACK to work?? and why did people listen, were they being threatened w/arrest or something? were there really broken atm machines on 911 that nyc firefighters were being tricked into stealing from, is that why many of them are silent on the issue [Eric Hufschmid discusses this in an interview, said its a youtube video - mustve been taken down]?

[albie]

It states rather explicitly that a Jew is not required to deal truthfully with goyim. What do you say to that, albie?

s

Well, if you could give me the exact quote.

Is it this one?

"A Jew may rob a goy--that is, he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him. (Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348)."

Maybe this explains it...

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348. This is not a part of the Talmud. It is actually a part of a collection of Biblical commentaries in the sixteenth century. The actual text in this volume says that it is forbidden to steal even a small item from a Jew or non-Jew, from children or from adults. One of the commentators remarks that in dealing with an idolator it would be permissible to use artifice or stratagem to effect repayment of a loan. He then adds that others say that to do it intentionally is forbidden, but if the idolator makes a mistake in one’s favor, it is proper to accept the advantage that accrues. However it is pointed out that the famous Rabbi Maimonedes is vigorously opposed to such procedures.


http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/van_hyning.html

[albie]

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

This site explains a lot. If you really care about truth you'll no doubt read it all.

Yes?:D

[seamus]

Here is what I'm talking about:

1. CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE TOLD IF THEY PAY TOO MUCH TO A JEW
In Choschen Hammischpat (183,7) it says: "If you send a messenger to collect money from an Akum and the Akum pays too much, the messenger may keep the difference. But if the messenger does not know about it, then you may keep it all yourself."
2. LOST PROPERTY OF CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE RETURNED TO THEM
In Choschen Ham. (266,1) it says: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum, for it is written: Return to thy brethren what is lost (Deuter. XXII, 3). For he who returns lost property [to Christians] sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
3. CHRISTIANS MAY BE DEFRAUDED
In Babha Kama (113b) it says: "It is permitted to deceive a Goi."
And in Choschen Ham. (156,5 Hagah) it says: "If a Jew is doing good business with an Akum it is not allowed to other Jews, in certain places, to come and do business with the same Akum. In other places, however, it is different, where another Jew is allowed to go to the same Akum, lead him on, do business with him and to deceive him and take his money. For the wealth of the Akum is to be regarded as common property and belongs to the first who can get it. There are some, however, who say that this should not be done."
In Choschen Ham. (183,7 Hagah) it says: "If a Jew is doing business with an Akum and a fellow Israelite comes along and defrauds the Akum, either by false measure, weight or number, he must divide his profit with his fellow Israelite, since both had a part in the deal, and also in order to help him along."
4. A JEW MAY PRETEND HE IS A CHRISTIAN TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (157,2 Hagah) it says: "If a Jew is able to deceive them [idolaters] by pretending he is a worshipper of the stars, he may do so."(2)
(2) This text is also found in the Vilna edition of 1873.


And here is some more:

Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
Sanhedrin 59a: "A Goy (Gentile) who pries into the law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
" Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age.
" Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass.
" Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.
" Schabouth Hag. 6b: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.
" Zohar 1,160a: "Jews must always try to deceive Christians." Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death.
" Choschen Ham 388, 15: "If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."


I am not concerned with the efforts of later backpedallers and damage-control artists.

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[seamus]

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

This site explains a lot. If you really care about truth you'll no doubt read it all.

Yes?:D

Interesting site. As all the "holy books" are self-contradictory it does not surprise me in the least.

s

[albie]

all those are explained on that site.

and what's wrong with contradiction in thought? it's not one man contradicting. It's many men having differnet ideas about something.

No spin please seamus.

[albie]

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348. This is not a part of the Talmud. It is actually a part of a collection of Biblical commentaries in the sixteenth century. The actual text in this volume says that it is forbidden to steal even a small item from a Jew or non-Jew, from children or from adults. One of the commentators remarks that in dealing with an idolator it would be permissible to use artifice or stratagem to effect repayment of a loan. He then adds that others say that to do it intentionally is forbidden, but if the idolator makes a mistake in one’s favor, it is proper to accept the advantage that accrues. However it is pointed out that the famous Rabbi Maimonedes is vigorously opposed to such procedures.

. CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE TOLD IF THEY PAY TOO MUCH TO A JEW
In Choschen Hammischpat (183,7) it says:
"If you send a messenger to collect money from an Akum and the Akum pays too much, the messenger may keep the difference. But if the messenger does not know about it, then you may keep it all yourself."

Not part of the talmud. So you were mislead.

[albie]

2. LOST PROPERTY OF CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE RETURNED TO THEM
In Choschen Ham. (266,1) it says:
"A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum, for it is written: Return to thy brethren what is lost (Deuter. XXII, 3). For he who returns lost property [to Christians] sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

This book doesn't even exist. It's a fabrication by the KKK, who made up most of the so called evil Talmud quotes.

Really. You've been lied to. Probably by someone who didn't know the truth either.

[albie]

And the quote from Deutronomy is fake. Go and read it. It says if you find something return it to the owner. If you don'k now who it is find out. If you can't keep it until they return.

[albie]

I am not concerned with the efforts of later backpedallers and damage-control artists.

Are you concerned with actually checking things before you believe them?:D

We all get caught out.

[albie]

4. A JEW MAY PRETEND HE IS A CHRISTIAN TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (157,2 Hagah) it says:
"If a Jew is able to deceive them [idolaters] by pretending he is a worshipper of the stars, he may do so."(2)
(2) This text is also found in the Vilna edition of 1873.

no such thing as the Iore/Jore dea.

No book called Hagah. There is a Hagiga. Feel free to find that quote from it.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/t03/index.htm

Because I couldn't.

[anoninnyc]

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

what about this albie?

[ho1ogram]

LOL...I haven't read the talmud but if those quotes in blue in post #25 are correct, I might just pick it up for a laugh. My favourites:
"Jesus fornicated with his jackass.
"Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.
"...a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

That last phrase sounds familiar (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm)

Did you get that passage from here (http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=137823) seamus? It is exactly the same passage, font, size and colour but they don't provide a link to the original soource either. There are a lot of spurious claims flying around that particular thread in the Vancouver forum.

But like I said, i've never read the Talmud.

BTW - just a reminder for users to post links to the original source when quoting or copying tracts of text.
h :)

[seamus]

LOL...I haven't read the talmud but if those quotes in blue in post #25 are correct, I might just pick it up for a laugh. My favourites:
"Jesus fornicated with his jackass.
"Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.
"...a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

That last phrase sounds familiar (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm)

Did you get that passage from here (http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=137823) seamus? It is exactly the same passage, font, size and colour but they don't provide a link to the original soource either. There are a lot of spurious claims flying around that particular thread in the Vancouver forum.

But like I said, i've never read the Talmud.

BTW - just a reminder for users to post links to the original source when quoting or copying tracts of text.
h :)

no actually I got it somewhere else. Do you know how hard it is to find an uncensored talmud? besides the fact that what is considered "the word of god" varies from rabbi to rabbi...

here is a link to a whole lot more

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/factindx.htm

it would be spamming to put it all here. yes they're christians.

thanks for the reminder.

http://www.iahushua.com/JQ/factsR4.html
the guy with this site is a pro-hebrew anti-zionist. I talked with him on the phone about 11 years ago on a couple of occasions. He's sharp, and a bit loopy.

apparently this second document was written by the famous Benjamin Freedman! The one who uncovered the Khazar scandal.


If I have to go to pro-zionist sites to get my material, well... KMA :)

s

[seamus]

. CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE TOLD IF THEY PAY TOO MUCH TO A JEW
In Choschen Hammischpat (183,7) it says:
"If you send a messenger to collect money from an Akum and the Akum pays too much, the messenger may keep the difference. But if the messenger does not know about it, then you may keep it all yourself."

Not part of the talmud. So you were mislead.

If it is part of accepted Jewish teaching, I am not misled.

so there

s

[anoninnyc]

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/judaism_is_nobody's_friend.htm

interesting article which is critical of judaism and links the talmud and its racism to the creation of zionism.

[seamus]

*high pitched whistle while shaking hand*

Yikes that's a hot potato. He is totally unemotional about it... and right.

s

[albie]

If it is part of accepted Jewish teaching, I am not misled.

so there

s

?

What are you on about? The book doesn't exist! fact.

What the fuck are you on about?

Please find me a reference to Choschen Hammischpat anywhere that isn't an antiemitic site.

You can't. It's a myth passed on from blind person to blind person

I bet you haven't actually checked ANY of the so called quotes you proffess as true.

honestly, I wouldn't trust a single thing you believe.

YOu don't check. You are a waste of my time.

[albie]

LOL...I haven't read the talmud but if those quotes in blue in post #25 are correct, I might just pick it up for a laugh. My favourites:
"Jesus fornicated with his jackass.
"Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.
"...a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

That last phrase sounds familiar (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm)

Did you get that passage from here (http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=137823) seamus? It is exactly the same passage, font, size and colour but they don't provide a link to the original soource either. There are a lot of spurious claims flying around that particular thread in the Vancouver forum.

But like I said, i've never read the Talmud.

BTW - just a reminder for users to post links to the original source when quoting or copying tracts of text.
h :)

Yes, you haven't read the Talmud. Who here has?


Probably none of us. Yet we believe and pass on all manner of crap.

Seriously guys, you are an Illuminati wet dream. You pass on the bullshit and completely stop any chance of any serious research.

At the risk of being banned...

You are lazy and full of hate.

No love here, Icke mate.

[albie]

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/judaism_is_nobody's_friend.htm

interesting article which is critical of judaism and links the talmud and its racism to the creation of zionism.


That's just diatribe. He doesn't offer anything but opinion.

Really, are you guys for real? You seem to be swayed by all manner of crap.:mad:

[albie]

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348. This is not a part of the Talmud. It is actually a part of a collection of Biblical commentaries in the sixteenth century. The actual text in this volume says that it is forbidden to steal even a small item from a Jew or non-Jew, from children or from adults. One of the commentators remarks that in dealing with an idolator it would be permissible to use artifice or stratagem to effect repayment of a loan. He then adds that others say that to do it intentionally is forbidden, but if the idolator makes a mistake in one’s favor, it is proper to accept the advantage that accrues. However it is pointed out that the famous Rabbi Maimonedes is vigorously opposed to such procedures.

Not a part of the Talmud, as you believed. But a much later text.

You didn't even read the above did you. You are completely unqualified and ignore any evidence that counters your racist view.

You didn't even click on the sites I gave you to look at.

Honestly. This is typical of Icke-ians. It's typical of Icke too.

Doesn't want to know the truth. Wants to feed his hate.

Does Icke look like someone full of infinite love? He looks miserable and angry to me.

[albie]

4. A JEW MAY PRETEND HE IS A CHRISTIAN TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (157,2 Hagah) it says:
"If a Jew is able to deceive them [idolaters] by pretending he is a worshipper of the stars, he may do so."(2)
(2) This text is also found in the Vilna edition of 1873.

no such thing as the Iore/Jore dea.

No book called Hagah. There is a Hagiga. Feel free to find that quote from it.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/t03/index.htm

Because I couldn't.

And I see you have nothing to say about this.

Hiding are we? Hoping it will go away so you can spread what you know to be a lie?

[albie]

http://minuteswithmessiah.com/question/kkk.html

Check this out.

[albie]

Jesus fornicated with his jackass."

6. Sanhedrin 105a talks about Balaam (of talking donkey fame), and does claim that he fornicated with his ass (presumably a Jenny Ass, not a jackass). It says absolutely nothing about Jesus. In fact, nothing is said about Jesus in the entire Talmud, much of which was written before Jesus was born or during his lifetime.

http://minuteswithmessiah.com/question/kkk.html#7

Yet more lies you guys believe.

[albie]

Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

7. Gittin 57a tells of Balaam and some Jewish heretics suffering such fates. It does not mention Jesus or Christians. The heretics mentioned were probably the Sadduccees.

http://minuteswithmessiah.com/question/kkk.html#8

Yet again. a lie you guys have been spreading.

[albie]

"Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

1. Sanhedrin 59a says nothing about murdering the heathen, nor does it include the phrase “wild animal.”

and another...

Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.

Zohar 1, 160a and Hilkoth Akum are not part of Talmud. There is no such reference as Zohar 1, 160a. (Zohar references don’t have letters in them, like Talmud references do.) I could find no passage in Zohar about deceiving Christians. In fact, the Zohar considered any deceit (no matter to whom it was directed) to be wrong.

and another lie from you guys...

Jews must always try to deceive Christians." Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

10. Choschen Ham 388, 15 and 266,1 are not part of Talmud. There is no such book or tractate as Choschen Ham. It may be an abbreviation of Choshen HaMishpat, which is not part of Talmud. If it is Choshen HaMishpat that is intended the passages in question are taken seriously out of context. The first one actually says that if a Jew owes a debt to a non-Jew then he must repay it, but if the non-Jew would not accept repayment he might use deceit to give the money back.

yet more lies you guys wil spread for Icke...

[albie]

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Talmud

More lies here for you to spread...

Examples of fabricated/mistranslated quotes of the Talmud
"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b).
"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a).
"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath 104b).
"Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than incest". (Abodah Zarah 17a).
"WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS". (Sanhedrin 99a).
"Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell". (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b).
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." - (Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b.)
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." (- Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5)
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (goi), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." (Talmud, Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772.)
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." (Sepher ikkarim III c 25)
"Jesus is in hell where His punishment is "boiling in hot semen." (Talmud: Gittin 57a)
"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." (Libbre David: 37)
All of these misquotations and others are corrected and refuted further below.

[albie]

If you give a jot about the truth check here...


http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_1.

and here...

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_2.


For those who don't care about truth...


http://www.kkk.com/

[ho1ogram]

If you give a jot about the truth check here...


http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_1.

and here...

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_2.


For those who don't care about truth...


http://www.kkk.com/

Those first two don't contain any text, that's the message I got anyway. Haven't tried the kkk one, I kinda get the message...

ps - so far you're winning (oh gawd, I'm gonna regret that comment...)

pps - you're all winners in my books :) (shit hope that doesn't make things even worse. Why couldn't they have given me the humour forum to moderate?)

[anoninnyc]

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

what about this albie?

once again albie, any comments on this?

[seamus]

YAAAAAWWWWWN.

You label any site which dares to publish censored sections of the Talmud as anti-semitic. How Conveeeeeeenient!

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[anoninnyc]

albie you ignore my post, but that is ok, looked through your posting history and you do seem to have an agenda. and if you dislike icke so much, why are you on this forum? very suspicious.

[kha zarr]

The link includes the period, paste it as well and it will come up. or go to sketicwiki.org's main page and do the search, it comes right up and you can click on it:

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_1.

I admit im pretty confused by this. Lets say albies right about the Talmud. Regardless, its very hard to read and bores me to no end. Its like reading a law book, which is what it is. They say law is the oldest profession, eh?

http://www.transferagreement.com/ anyone check this out? After an agenda is successfully completed, usually including lots of war and death, only then do we get to read about things like this. Unless its false - Albie, what say you on this link? It seems genuine to me.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Freedman-Jewish-Pawns.html

[for albie, replace the word 'talmudist' with 'zionist' and even if you dont like that, you can replace it with whatever you feel, just try and read it, I read the talmud page you showed me]. I wont try to debate albie on the talmud, hes already made up his mind. If hes right, it still doesnt change the fact of whats going on today is nasty, no matter how you slice it. Albie what do you think is going on in the middle east today?

[awakensong]

Interesting site. As all the "holy books" are self-contradictory it does not surprise me in the least.

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And it really just skirts all the issues. It says "righteous" Gentiles 'have a place in the world to come.' I don't think they are even doing their own damage control very well.

Just like the Vatican with its Inquisition Laws, they are not even really denying anything they've been accused of.

And a site about the Talmud where there is a pop-up separate advertisement page on every link of the Talmud? LOL Come on! :rolleyes:

[albie]

Mmm, those sites were there yesterday.

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_1.

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_2.

Try these.

Nope. For some reason the text doesn't show.

[albie]

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Talmud_%28Myths_and_Misquotes%29

try this.

[albie]

once again albie, any comments on this?

Well, I found this...

CLAIM (20)
Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

RESPONSE (1)
Nowhere does it say that Jews are divine. In the opinion of one individual Rabbi, Rabbi Hanina, not the Talmud, a non-Jew who hits a Jew is worthy of death by the Hand of G-d - there is no room whatsoever for a Jew to kill him. That is what is written in Sanhedrin 58b. A Jew who hits a Jew, by comparison, is called wicked and excluded from Jewish communal life until he apologises (eg. can't be counted in a Minyan [Mininum size group of 10 men required for communal prayer.]) which is likewise a form of spiritual death. Therefore there is no discrimination.
[Edited RESPONSE.] Avraham Hampel <hampel@brachot.jct.ac.il>


RESPONSE (2)
Misquote. The text doesn't say that he must be killed but that he's worthy of death -- an idiomatic phrase referring to death by the hand of god (struck by lightning etc.). That's because by hitting a man (made in the image of God) you are marring the image of God. The same is also said of Jews who simply raise their hand against others, by the way.
Usenet message
behrends@student.uni-kl.de (Reimer Behrends)

RESPONSE (3)
The correct translation is: "R. Chanina says 'an idol worshipper who strikes a Jew is liable for death, as it says .... [a proof text from Exodus 2:12] and if one strikes the jaws of a Jew it is as if he has struck the jaws of the Shechina as it says in Proverbs ... [a proof text from Proverbs 20:25 which is based on a play of words]'".

Commentators explain that the phrase 'liable for death' is not a punishment that is carried out by a human court. It may also be noted that in Jewish thought the term 'death' when referring to a 'death penalty' carried out by Heaven may include sickness or poverty, not necessarily untimely death, and in any event punishment may be mitigated by factors such as repentance. See [CLAIM 16] above where this matter is discussed with reference to another passage.

As far as hitting a Jew: Jews bear G-d's name in this world. One who strikes a Jew because of hatred toward the Jewish people is striking at those who brought G-d's word to all mankind. The term "Shechina" refers to the human perception of G-d's presence in this world, and that perception is one that is intimately related to the existence and well-being of the Jewish people.
Michael Gruda (mgruda@netvision.net.il)

http://groups.msn.com/Mishpocha/thetalmudpart2.msnw

[albie]

I'm not saying that the Talmud is a completely nice book. No religious writing is.
all religions consider themselves superior.

I'm just pointing out that it's exaggerated to manipulate you.

Who started these lies? The KKK.

Who are they?

Freemasons.

Illuminati.

So who created these misquotes? The Illuminati.

Why? Because the jew have been their scapegoats and screens for thousands of years.

That is what Icke tells us.

Take Bohemian grove. An obvious attempt to cast Jews in a bad light by using an old Hebrew god. Moloch. Alex jones got in to film it! Not very secretive are they? They aren't trying to be.

Why would they use a peasent god? The Illuminati were Egyptian for awhile that's why. And they enslaved the Hebrews.

Used their old pagan God to put the blame on them.

Who knows how long they've been planning this.

[albie]

You think I'm here to mislead you? Have I lied? No.

Have I tried to take away from you your unintentional lies?

You know they were put there by them.

To make it easy to discredit you.

And to hide behind a scapegoat.

[albie]

Icke has strongly denied that his reptiles represent Jews, calling it "friggin' nonsense." [12] "I am not an anti-Semite!", he told The Guardian, "I have a great respect for the Jewish people." [5] He maintains that the reptilians are not human, and therefore not Jewish, but are "extra-dimensional entities" that enter and control human minds. "This is not a Jewish plot. This is not a plot on the world by Jewish people," he told Jon Ronson. [12]

In his own words.

But he hasn't done enough to project this idea, in my opinion.

and on forums and websites all over the net I find just general hate of jews, with Icke standing in the wings.

Do you think he's not being mentally manipulated too?

When He writes his books. don't you think there's a whole host of scaley ghosts tricking him?

[albie]

Not that they are scaley. That was another trick. Pushing Icke to meet up with enough people in quick succesion who had had reptile experiences, to convince him. A trick to make the whole thing look ridiculous (it worked, don't you think?).

They have never had true form. They are a part of the sea of consciousness that has been polluted by our own fears and desires.

Our dark ambitions that we push away from our minds. Where do you think they end up?

Like our own internal minds, if we suppress, we get ill. The external mind is ill.

I like to the see the Illuminati as garbage with a mind.

[seamus]

Take Bohemian grove. An obvious attempt to cast Jews in a bad light by using an old Hebrew god. Moloch. Alex jones got in to film it! Not very secretive are they? They aren't trying to be.

Why would they use a peasent god? The Illuminati were Egyptian for awhile that's why. And they enslaved the Hebrews.

Used their old pagan God to put the blame on them.

Who knows how long they've been planning this.

Since when was Moloch a god of the Hebrews? He was a god of the Canaanites, which is why YHWH got so pissed off at them. He's very jealous, you know. Insanely jealous. He will share worship with no other.

Personally I feel that any being that gets off on worship has a serious ego problem. I have been worshipped. Yes, really. And it was the most horrific feeling. It was like this circle of people were saying all kinds of wonderful things about me that weren't even true, fawning and groveling and so on. It wrenched my guts. It offended my sense of goodness and justice and dignity. If I were an egomaniac I would have loved it. I believe I was given that experience so that I can say what I just did with complete confidence. A truly superior being would not have any use for worship, and would be appalled by the groveling, fawning nature of it.

I am not talking about admiration or cheering like for a rock star or a football team. I mean worship. Yeah I guess rock stars and football teams have some fans who actually worship them as higher beings, but I am talking about normal peeps.

well i guess i'm off topic...

Albie, the responses you posted are pretty lame. The talmud is nothing BUT "opinions of one rabbi". So they can just hide behind that.

Meh.

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[awakensong]

Michael Tsarion at http://www.taroscopes.com/astro-theology/astrotheology.html: "Akhenaton, the Cult of Aton, and the Dark Side of the Sun", has written a very lengthy and immensely compelling story of who the "Jews" really were and who the "Hebrews" were. These two groups are not at ALL the same bunch of people by any means whatsoever. Hebrew is from the Celtic word "Ibaru" or "Abaru", meaning copper-skinned, which the original Egyptians were, being fair-skinned, living in the desert and burned from the sun. He uses a vast array of resources to back up his claims and the whole scenario he paints is extremely different from that which we have been told. The winners of any war always rewrite history to make themselves look "good".

For many years, Sigmund Freud tried to tell an unbelieving world that Moses was really the Pharaoh Akhenaton - the Hyksos invader who conquered Egypt and instigated Monotheism (Sun Worship) and for this Aton was expelled from Egypt (that is the TRUE 'exodus') along with his followers the Is-Ra-El-ites: The Sun Worshippers.

[seamus]

Michael Tsarion at http://www.taroscopes.com/astro-theology/astrotheology.html: "Akhenaton, the Cult of Aton, and the Dark Side of the Sun", has written a very lengthy and immensely compelling story of who the "Jews" really were and who the "Hebrews" were. These two groups are not at ALL the same bunch of people by any means whatsoever. Hebrew is from the Celtic word "Ibaru" or "Abaru", meaning copper-skinned, which the original Egyptians were, being fair-skinned, living in the desert and burned from the sun. He uses a vast array of resources to back up his claims and the whole scenario he paints is extremely different from that which we have been told. The winners of any war always rewrite history to make themselves look "good".

For many years, Sigmund Freud tried to tell an unbelieving world that Moses was really the Pharaoh Akhenaton - the Hyksos invader who conquered Egypt and instigated Monotheism (Sun Worship) and for this Aton was expelled from Egypt (that is the TRUE 'exodus') along with his followers the Is-Ra-El-ites: The Sun Worshippers.

Yes and throw the Khazars in about 500 years ago and you have yourself one gargantuan mess. If only the king of the khazars had picked islam, the world would be a vastly different place. But perhaps it was the hebrews persistent proselytization that tipped that scale.

s

[awakensong]

Yes and throw the Khazars in about 500 years ago and you have yourself one gargantuan mess. If only the king of the khazars had picked islam, the world would be a vastly different place. But perhaps it was the hebrews persistent proselytization that tipped that scale.

s
Just so you understand the big difference between "Hebrews" and "Khazars". The same goes for "Israelis" and "Israelites".

All four of these groups are TOTALLY different from one another! :D

P.S. Actually, what I meant to say was there's a big, big difference between "Hebrews" and "Jews", and between "Khazars", "Israelies" and "Israelites".

[albie]

canaanites(?) were Hebrew. check your bible.

Khazars had very little impact on the jewish population. DNA tests prove this.

I see, Seamus, that you have neglected to check out those sites I posted a link to. It's a shame you don't like to know the truth but prefer to spread lies that favour your opinions.

Most of what you think is in the Talmud isn't there. That was my aim to show you.

I proved it.

And you haven't really said anything about that. No "Yep, you're right albie. I should watch what I believe." Nothing. I can assume you have been proven wrong and are too ego bound to admit it. but you then come out with "that's lame." proving that you simply don't care if you know the truth. You'll be using those same bogus quotes as evidence again in the future.

[albie]

Maybe I'm being too hard on you, Seamus. Maybe you are young and new to this.

But posting this

" Choschen Ham 388, 15: "If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."

as evidence is a little odd. Who would think that was a real quote?

Wipe him off the face of the earth?

Choschen Ham ?

Chosen ham? If you knew anything about judaism that should have sent alarm bells rigning.

No such book as the Choschen Ham. MADE UP. I don't think there's more than a couple of quotes you posted that weren't simply made up.

And you aren't going to comment on that?

How much of what you think you know is true? That idea doesn't bother you? at all?

(if you want this to stop just admit you were wrong:D )

[seamus]

I can not be wrong, as I am simply presenting information that I have found. I don't claim to be its source. Do you claim to be YOUR own textual authority? I didn't think so. Mutating Choschen to Chosen is a little bit of a stretch, since "Chosen" comes from French, which descended from Latin, which has ties to greek, whose ties to hebrew are... eh... there, I suppose, but you are making this out to be an allele, which it is not.

You put MADE UP in caps. Where is YOUR textual authority on that? Where did you buy your uncensored english translation of the Talmud, friend? I would like to get one. I can't seem to find it on Amazon. My authority is that I saw this information and it lines up with the behavior of talmudic jews. The proof is in the pudding, strangler-man. Just like the protocols.

Yes I do now believe it to be a jew-inspired document. It may not be what it proposes to be, but it portrays the viral spirit of judah-ism very accurately, and history has proven that it was written in the spirit of those who had the power to make it happen. Like the BANKERS, chum.

Canaanites hebrew? well i guess the jews hid that one well, since Canaan was a son of Cham, the one who was supposedly cursed with servitude.

and yeah, hebrews and khazars are different but they have the same book. And that book, and the spirit it portrays, is what we are talking about.

Now if you could stop choking your chick, we might have some peace around here.

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[albie]

I don't believe this. At the risk of being banned you are a moron. (forgive me mods but this guy is just a moron) .

You still believ those quote are actually from the Talmud? You haven't even read it. Get a Talmud and scan those quotes in and post them here.

You can't because it's bullshit.

You justify the quotes because Talmudic jews act in certain way? I bet you've never even met a Talmudic jew.

You have to have the weakest arguments I've ever seen in 7 years of internet debate. You are an insult to the mods here who have to protect your ignorance. I pray they don't. I pray they see how crap your debating skills are. I pray they see how you insult me, and every other member on this forum, with your awful excuses for evidence.

I ought to report you. I would if I thought it would be any use.

Your hatred of jews is blatant. I could easily have this site shut down. The ADL would love to. Yeah, the ADL. Tell me all your bullshit conspiracy theories about that one.

You have put up false quotes from the Talmud and now you are still arguing in favour of them.

I proclaim you a liar.

[albie]

put MADE UP in caps. Where is YOUR textual authority on that? Where did you buy your uncensored english translation of the Talmud, friend? I would like to get one. I can't seem to find it on Amazon. My authority is that I saw this information and it lines up with the behavior of talmudic jews. The proof is in the pudding, strangler-man. Just like the protocols.

Yes I do now believe it to be a jew-inspired document. It may not be what it proposes to be, but it portrays the viral spirit of judah-ism very accurately, and history has proven that it was written in the spirit of those who had the power to make it happen. Like the BANKERS, chum.

The original FICTIONAL book that they appeared in didn't even mention the jews.

It was years later when the Russians altered passages from that fictional book and made it look like it was about the jews. It was propaganda against the Boslsheviks.

Yet again you display your lack of any in depth knowledge about the things you believe.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Among the most notable early refutations of the Protocols as a forgery were a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921. This series revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an antisemitic theme. Since 1903, when the Protocols appeared in print, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript.[2]

[albie]

Much of the text in the Protocols appears to be directly plagiarized from an 1864 pamphlet, Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu), written by the French satirist Maurice Joly. Joly's work attacks the political ambitions of Napoleon III using the device of diabolical plotters in Hell as stand-ins for Napoleon's views. Joly himself appears to have borrowed material from a popular novel by Eugène Sue, The Mysteries of the People, in which the plotters were Jesuits. Jews do not appear in either work. Since it was illegal to criticize the monarchy, Joly had the pamphlet printed in Belgium, then tried to smuggle it back into France. The police confiscated as many copies as they could, and it was banned. After it was traced to Joly, he was tried on April 25, 1865, and sentenced to fifteen months in prison. Joly committed suicide in 1878.

Funny. How could the protocols have been about jews when jews aren't even in it. It's about Napoleon.

Seriously, most seasoned conspiracy theorists know the protocols are crap. Only bottom feeders believe in them. Shame you don't seem to learn though.

If you don't you'll always be a bottom feeder.

[albie]

[edit] Comparison to the Dialogues
The Protocols 1-19 closely follow the order of the The Dialogues in Hell' 1-17, with a few exceptions. In some places, plagiarism is incontrovertible:

Montesquieu: How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum. (Dialogues, p. 250)
A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt. (Protocols, p. 77)


Another example is the reference to the Hindu deity, Vishnu, which appears exactly twice in both the Dialogues in Hell and the Protocols:

Machiavelli: Like the god Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country. (Dialogues, p. 141)
These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion. (Protocols, p. 43)

Montesquieu: Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring. (Dialogues, p. 207)
Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State. (Protocols, p. 65)


Compare the texts. The jews were added later. So how could they have been inspired by jews?

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[seamus]

The original FICTIONAL book that they appeared in didn't even mention the jews.

It was years later when the Russians altered passages from that fictional book and made it look like it was about the jews. It was propaganda against the Boslsheviks.

Yet again you display your lack of any in depth knowledge about the things you believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Which scholars?

Hmmm?

My evidence is history. And so far my friend, it hasn't been rewritten to the extent that would exonerate the High-Level talmudic-spirited elitist Judah-ists.

It might be conceivable that the Jesuits are really behind it and want to use the Jews as a scapegoat. Considering the attitude they have toward us 'goys', it wouldn't be too hard to stir us up against them now, would it? and that's the subject of this little discussion.

Read "The controversy of zion" by douglas reed and you will be amazed at how much has been buried since the mid 1950s.

It is useless to debate with you, mister chick-choker. Your reviling discloses your spirit. I am finished. Perhaps you will be motivated to emit your voluminous filth elsewhere when the attention I give you has ceased.

s

[albie]

Oh right, history has been rewritten. Well in that case you can believe anything you like. Let's all live like that.

Icke is a human potato. He lives in a giant black bubble made from Scott Baio's childhood screams. He eats nothing but easter eggs and coffee revels.

He has sixty 4 wives each of them called Barbara.

And his entire alimentary canal is fitted with taste buds so he can enjoy the transformation of chocolate into poo snails.

His little finger on his right hand is a solid dream projected by Oscar Goldman from The Sixty Million Dollar Man series. It waxes and wanes in substance according to how many double decker buses Oscar has spat at during the day.

It's all true. The Jesuist/Jews changed the enclyopaedias.:D

[albie]

Ok, I've downloaded the book by Reed onto floppy At considerable expense of time to me. I'll give it a read. But it looks like stuff I already know. Basically every bit of biased reportage there is about the jews.

Have you checked all the "facts" in this book.

If not, I wonder why.

http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/

Why it wasn't in the form of a pdf I don't know.

[warrior]

I don't believe this. At the risk of being banned you are a moron. (forgive me mods but this guy is just a moron) .

You still believ those quote are actually from the Talmud? You haven't even read it. Get a Talmud and scan those quotes in and post them here.

You can't because it's bullshit.

You justify the quotes because Talmudic jews act in certain way? I bet you've never even met a Talmudic jew.

You have to have the weakest arguments I've ever seen in 7 years of internet debate. You are an insult to the mods here who have to protect your ignorance. I pray they don't. I pray they see how crap your debating skills are. I pray they see how you insult me, and every other member on this forum, with your awful excuses for evidence.

I ought to report you. I would if I thought it would be any use.

Your hatred of jews is blatant. I could easily have this site shut down. The ADL would love to. Yeah, the ADL. Tell me all your bullshit conspiracy theories about that one.

You have put up false quotes from the Talmud and now you are still arguing in favour of them.

I proclaim you a liar.


You must be some kind of serious asshole to post that.

[anoninnyc]

You must be some kind of serious asshole to post that.

wow, i am astounded. albie, you don't seem to care much for freedom of speech do you? reporting people, banning from the adl? really, even if you disagree with someone, you should fully stand by their right to declare their opinion. you albie actually sound like hitler. he too liked to silence those with differing opinions. you obviously have an agenda and have shown your true colors.

[ho1ogram]

For me tru3 said it best in post #6:
he's just as convinced the jesuits are running things. actually, the most compelling evidence to me is that the writer of the protocols of sion was jesuit trained (cant' remember the guys name-duh!); even icke mentions this fact.

so who's right? is 2tuff a zionist disinformer? is albie right when he says the hitler/rothschild connection a red herring?

hell if i know. who's got enough hours in the day to sort all this shit out?

anyway, what if they're both right?


Everyone wants to be the one that is right. I caught seamus telling fibs. Compare his quote in blue font in post #25 to Annie's first post here: http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=137823

It is identical, font, size and colour. Yet, he said he didn't get it from there and still hasn't said where he got it from. Sometimes ego's get in the way of rational debate. I reckon you could have nailed this debate shut early on seamus, but your lax researching skills and dodgy sources left the door wide open for albie.

Personally, I don't think you can ever know who is at the top of the pyramid, it just keeps on going into infinity. Someone or group is always subordinate to another. The Jesuits and Zionists are in on it. And probably others. As tru3 said, who's got enough hours in the day to sort it all out?

I welcome albies questions. Otherwise you're just preaching to the converted. It also makes one get their facts straight so they can pass this info to other people in the mainstream. It is a good way to refine your debating skills.

IMO all religions are screwing with us and they all meet near the top of the pyramid.

As for albie mentioning reporting posts and banning the site, he was obviously taking the piss and I'm surprised anyone fell for it. Especially when a few posts later he said he has downloaded the book that seamus recommended.
h.

[anoninnyc]

i wish that there could be an open and honest debate about this issue, without being called a racist or anti-semite. i truly don't know what to believe regarding the talmud, as i can't dicipher what is and is not disinformation from both camps. without yelling or getting frustrated with each other, i think the name calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. just do a disservice to us who actually do have an open mind. i personally am not a fan of most religions in general, but that is just my own thing, i have studied the qur'an and various versions of the bible but do not know where to study a true version of the talmud. and i also have no way of knowing what the true version is.

[ho1ogram]

i wish that there could be an open and honest debate about this issue, without being called a racist or anti-semite. i truly don't know what to believe regarding the talmud, as i can't dicipher what is and is not disinformation from both camps. without yelling or getting frustrated with each other, i think the name calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. just do a disservice to us who actually do have an open mind. i personally am not a fan of most religions in general, but that is just my own thing, i have studied the qur'an and various versions of the bible but do not know where to study a true version of the talmud. and i also have no way of knowing what the true version is.

This thread is the first time I have looked at anything to do with the Talmud (apart from Icke's books but I can't remember specifics and I've since given all my Icke books away). Can anyone elaborate on the how, when and why the Talmud was changed? If it is so, albie, how can you defend it?

Hasn't each religion's 'holy book' been changed or corrupted? The original bible mentioned gods plural and was then changed to god in the singular.

Anyway, I think the original premise of this thread was that the grand conspiracy has an over representation of zionist and/or jewish characters in it. In which case, albie, you haven't done a good job of refuting. I'll give you the points on the exposing the fake Talmudic quotes all over the internet though.

Buggered if I can sort all this shit out. Have you got an uncorrupted version of the Talmud?

anon, I wouldn't worry about the anti-semite stuff, you get called all sorts of things in this world. Though if you're in ny, your experiences would be a lot different to mine here in Aus.
cheers,
h. :)

[albie]

I'm not here to defend the Talmud. Judaism is the most racially motivated religion going. Or was.

I know that they don't stop gentiles converting to Judaism.

"Beloved are proselytes by God, for the Bible everywhere uses the same epithet of them as of Israel"

(Talmud, Gerim 4:3)


A lot of the text of Judaism is very old and their ways were odd to us. They were violent. Had extreme views. Sure. Lots of people were like that 2000 years ago. Some still are. I can't recall of any homosexuals being stoned to death by Jews in recent times, if at all. But Muslims still do it.

My point being: are Jews acting according to their ancient laws today? In some ways. Sure. Before the recent move into Israel how many wars did they start? (Don't mention WW2. That's not proven) Since they were thrown out of Palestine (for want of a better term) they have been quite peaceful.

Some would say they paid for revolutions to happen. Some would say that revolution isn't a bad thing.

We have our leaders, and they do bad things.

They had their leaders, who did bad things.

I don't believe they are anymore evil than any other race of people.

But what I see is a homing in on any act that might be deemed bad, that has been commited by a jew. Which is wrong. I see these forums and they basically stockpile any bad news they can about jews. Which is going to give an unbalanced view.

Why do we not hear of West Pakistan? Is that Islamic state anymore of a crime than Israel being formed? Lets hear of the Pakistani muslims starting wars when the elections don't go in their favour. That's when they aren't rigging the elections. Let's hear about the violence that was used to form that first Islamic state. Let's hear about the links to Bin Laden. 9/11.

The actions of the ISI.

You telling me that Pakistan isn't an Illuminati state?

ARE THEY JEWS?

"Sufi historian Indries Shah traces the name of the Illuminati back to a verse in the Koran which mentions a shining star..."
- Robert Anton Wilson, Cosmic Trigger

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_proofs_conspiracy.htm



Is Britain an Illuminati state? Surely.

Are you Illuminati then?

[ho1ogram]

According to Icke, Britain is still the seat of the Illuminati.

According to 2tuff Italy is the seat of world power http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14789

I don't see the stockpiling of bad news caused by jews going on here. I can't say for other conspiracy sites because I hardly ever visit them. I cam e to this one because I have read most of David Icke's books and I visit his site a lot. If anything there is a stockpiling of love threads over here.

Have you investigated the IS RA EL angle? I think that would clarify for you why zionists and jews cop a bad rap.

Also, the middle east is a lot more important in world affairs than places like Pakistan, especially at the moment.

There are always people who focus more on one group, culture, faction, race, organisation, etc than another.

btw - I'm not Illuminati, I'm from Australia. :D We get overlooked in all the conspiracy stuff. Not for long though. An id card is scheduled to be introduced in 2008 and we are moving ever closer to forming a super state with Indonesia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands. It will be called the Pacific Union or something and will have its own army or police force (no doubt using the Orwellian term 'peace keepers')

Just today it was announced that the Australian government wants to send any refugees that arrive here to Indonesia. We have already excised Australian islands from our territory, thus refusing refugees any asylum in Australia.

Anyway this is all OT. Explore the forum a bit more and you might find it isn't as anti-semetic as you think. Or maybe it is, buggered if I know :D I don't read every thread. Hell edro, who started this thread, thinks Icke deliberately plays down the Zionist connections to the NWO. Everybody interprets the world in their own way.
Cheers
h. :)

[albie]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124835,00.html

Iranian Intel Officers Captured in Iraq
Tuesday, July 06, 2004

WASHINGTON — American and Iraqi joint patrols, along with U.S. Special Operations teams, captured two men with explosives in Baghdad on Monday who identified themselves as Iranian intelligence officers, FOX News has confirmed.

Senior officials said it was previously believed that Iran had officers inside Iraq stirring up violence, but this is the first time that self-proclaimed Iranian intelligence agents have been captured within the country.

The Defense officials also confirmed to FOX News that in recent days there has been significant success in tracking down "known bad guys" based on information from local citizens. While those captured aren't from the list of former regime members or from terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's network, they are "active" bombers and organizers of recent violence.

The arrest of the two Iranians suspected of attempting to carry out a vehicle bombing has focused new attention on how Tehran is trying to protect its interests in the country it fought for eight years in a devastating war.

West Pakistan isn't involved as some. Say, Iran. Look back to where the supposed Annunaki began. Persia. Which is of course Iran.

We don't look so much to Muslims as being Annunaki because they tend to be less powerful. At least that's how they would want to seem, isn't it?

Why do we assume that evil would have the best palaces? the best country?

[albie]

IS RA EL ? Well, the Judah are the Jews. They took the name of Israel from another tribe that no longer exist, accoriding to Douglas Reed.

Then, in 721 BC, Israel was attacked and conquered by Assyria and the Israelites were carried into captivity. Judah was spared for that moment and for another century remained an insignificant vassal, first of Assyria and then of Egypt, and the stronghold of the Levitical sect.

At that point "the children of Israel" disappear from history and if promises made to them are to be redeemed, this redemption must evidently be from among the ranks of mankind, in which they became involved and merged. Given the prevalent westward trend among the movements of peoples during the last twenty-seven hundred years, it is probable that much of their blood has gone into the European and American peoples.

The Judaist claim, on the other hand, is that Israel was totally and deservedly "lost", because it rejected the Levitical creed and chose "rapprochement with neighbouring peoples". Dr. Kastein, whose words these are, nearly twenty-seven

http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/TheEndofIsrael.htm

Why did they take on the name?

Therefore the use of the name "Israel" by the Zionist state which was created in Palestine in this century is in the nature of a forgery. Some strong reason must have dictated the use of the name of a people who were not Jews and would have none of the creed which has become Judaism. One tenable theory suggests itself. The Zionist state was set up with the connivance of the great nations of the West, which is also the area of Christendom. The calculation may have been that these peoples would be comforted in their consciences if they could be led to believe that they were fulfilling Biblical prophecy and God's promise to "Israel", at whatever cost in the "destruction" of innocent peoples.

They didn't create the name. So how can it possibly be a code? Unless it was a bizarre coincidence.

and why do these annunaki worship nice gods? I would start worrying if Israel was called Seth.

The Illuminati don't worship gods. They worship themselves. At best they worship Satan.

Presuming he is real. They are scientists. Realists.

[albie]

http://www.wiolawapress.com/israel.htm

Check this rubbish out. This is the sort of "Conspiracy theorist" I'm talking about.

[john white]

Albie, I frequently find your defense of judaism as repugnant as i find anti-semitism. There's really no excusing the horrendous statements and actions shown to be hard fact of so many who have shaped the israeli state since its creation 60 odd years ago

I don't care about whose scripture is right or what words are distorted: I care about human beings living and suffering today. Its not a scriptural issue, but a humanitarian one

Until the Israeli state starts to respect human rights and stop treating the palestinians like scum in a slave labour camp, peace is impossible, and that means the Israeli state is choosing to be an enemy of humanity: not the israeli people, but the elite at the top of the pile: same as the British state, same as the American state. Our governments lead us towards the genocide of ALL, and arguing over a book is not going to change that, nor make it OK. we have only one viable choice, which is to transcend all that and find human unity

It seems to me that you need to take responsibility for your own anger and focus yourself in the right place: otherwise, you do more harm than you know

[multiverse]

I don't care about whose scripture is right or what words are distorted: I care about human beings living and suffering today. Its not a scriptural issue, but a humanitarian one

Until the Israeli state starts to respect human rights and stop treating the palestinians like scum in a slave labour camp, peace is impossible, and that means the Israeli state is choosing to be an enemy of humanity: not the israeli people, but the elite at the top of the pile: same as the British state, same as the American state. Our governments lead us towards the genocide of ALL, and arguing over a book is not going to change that, nor make it OK. we have only one viable choice, which is to transcend all that and find human unity

So well said, John White! There's nothing to add.

Peace, Love, Justice...

Multiverse

[albie]

The Palestinians should have gone about this in another way, rather than starting wars. Yes, they took things from a political to a physical level. I don't believe the Israelis have been treating them like slaves. The palestinians never owned the lands. Legally. That's a cold stance, but we aren't living in toy town.

They never minded that they were enslaved to the Ottomans.

Israel was a clumsy attempt to re-integrate a people with proven genetic and historical rights to that land.

Which was MOSTLY unhinabited.I stress MOSTLY.

The Palestinans have started all the conflicts and suffered the most.

They are pretty stupid. Islamic idiots who think Allah is behind their swordarm. Like that fool Mohammed.

They are wrong. They cause their own pain and blame the jews. And everytime they make another attack Israel had to increase it's borders to gain a buffer zone.

So please, John white. Don't try and pull the wool over this with the old poor little Palestinians routine. It's emotional propaganda. Like faking pictures of dead children.

Don't be fooled by the rubbish Muslims will spin out to get your sympathy.

[albie]

Yeah, and maybe Israel will deal with the arabs...when they get rid of their terrorist facets.

[thedame]

Hey guys,

Just a friendly message to remind you all to keep it civil, please. Everyone's in favour of discussion, but can you keep the personal attacks to zero? I think both albie and john white have relevant point, but can you try not to be aggressive to eachother?

Thanks all,

thedame

[illuminist]

Thread has gone quite off topic...

I could easily have this site shut down. The ADL would love to. Yeah, the ADL. Tell me all your bullshit conspiracy theories about that one.

What the f*ck? - Typical.

Yeah, and maybe Israel will deal with the arabs...when they get rid of their terrorist facets.

Your pronouncing of 'deal' sounds rather much like the racist view of Arabs that Zionism brings. Concerning the previous quote - Who'd think otherwise?

My view on the exact topic of this thread I find is a dead-end. It resembles a 'left-right' paridigm that shortens and controls the debate.

[kha zarr]

hang on a sec - biggest secret pp 233-234: touches on the is ra el idea, albeit briefly. Its in a chapter called "Global Babylon.'

Im just wondering if those are "nice" gods??

http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html

David has pointed out, Zion = Sion, [Priory of Sion, Biggest Secret] and mentions the Committee of 300/Round table and Rothschild connections within Britain [and elsewhere] to creating Israel. Earlier in the book he goes into what the Priory of Sion were all about. Im still trying to wrap my head around that one.

David from biggest secret "The Jewish people have been sacrificed on the Rothschild altar of greed and lust for power, but even the Rothschilds take their orders from a higher authority which, I believe, is probably based in Asia, and the Far East dictates to the operational headquarters in London. Ultimately, the whole scam is orchestrated from the lower fourth dimension." [Biggest Secret, p. 234] - most details on this he goes on to say, are in 'the truth shall set you free' which I don't have.

So Far East and Asia - anyone know what he means there??

[illuminist]

I can't comment on the issue of origination of names, unfortunately

On the issue of 'orders' - Maybe I'm old-fasioned and saying orders probably come from Jerusalem - They soon will be. I gather long before the ressurection of Israel it was from Europe.

[foreverspirit]

hang on a sec - biggest secret pp 233-234: touches on the is ra el idea, albeit briefly. Its in a chapter called "Global Babylon.'

Im just wondering if those are "nice" gods??

http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html

David has pointed out, Zion = Sion, [Priory of Sion, Biggest Secret] and mentions the Committee of 300/Round table and Rothschild connections within Britain [and elsewhere] to creating Israel. Earlier in the book he goes into what the Priory of Sion were all about. Im still trying to wrap my head around that one.

David from biggest secret "The Jewish people have been sacrificed on the Rothschild altar of greed and lust for power, but even the Rothschilds take their orders from a higher authority which, I believe, is probably based in Asia, and the Far East dictates to the operational headquarters in London. Ultimately, the whole scam is orchestrated from the lower fourth dimension." [Biggest Secret, p. 234] - most details on this he goes on to say, are in 'the truth shall set you free' which I don't have.

So Far East and Asia - anyone know what he means there??



"FROM ZIONISTS IN THE CONSPIRACY FIELD - MUST READ....."

Started From Post #45


CLOSER INSPECTION OF: ASHKENAZI JEWS - NOT REALLY JEWISH - FROM UP THERE AROUND THE BALTIC - SLAVIC REGION - AFTER WORLD WAR II GERMANS QUIETLY SET UP ABOUT 300 COMPANIES WORLD WIDE - GREAT WEALTH ACCUMULATION - ROTHSCHILD - HIDING THINGS IN PLAIN VIEW.

- Now consider that Ashke means beloved.

- Therefore Beloved Nazi

- In What Language?

- Wikipedia it says: Short form for National Socialist; now U.S. slang for people who behave very uptightly about something. This meaning was popularised in an episode of the U.S. television comedy programme Seinfeld, which features the soup nazi restaurateur character.Nazism is not a monolithic movement, but rather a collection of ideas and positions: anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, eugenics, anti-Semitism, anti-communism and homophobia.(See Key elements, below). While some scholars contend it is a left-wing movement, most scholars say it abandoned most of its left-wing roots and moved to the far right.

- Would this mean that Ashkenazi means "Beloved Socialist"?

- One could never trust WIKPEDIA

- More concerned with what language for Ashke=Beloved?


- Looking further into it, it was found that it was a language made up by a science fiction writer named Mercedes Lackey.
- Mercedes Lackey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- So it's not a real language, sorry for the confusion.

- GOT IT: FROM: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...hp?storyid=121
- ALL THIS FOOLISHNESS ABOUT JEWS WHEN THIS IS THE CASE: NOT A REAL LANGUAGE!!???!!
- IT'S BEING USED RIGHT, LEFT AND CENTRE AND IT'S NOT A REAL LANGUAGE???? - HMMMM!!!!
- "MADE UP BY SCIENCE FICTION WRITER -MERCEDES LACKEY"
- COULD THIS SCIENCE FICTION WRITER/WRITERS BE ONE OF THE COMPANIES/PROJECTS (mentioned in my original post) STARTED BY THE GERMANS AFTER WORLD WAR II???
- ISN'T MERCEDES A GERMAN COMPANY??!!! WHOAH AND WOW!



The History of the House of Rothschild
Posted in the database on Thursday, December 15th, 2005 @ 07:33:08 MST (5452 views)
by Anonymous Andy and Daryl Bradford Smith Iamthewitness.com


TRACED THE ORIGINS OF THE (JEWISH??) NAME: MAYER AMCHEL BAUER

Definition: From Middle High German "bure" or "bur" meaning farmer or peasant.

Surname Origin: German

Alternate Surname Spellings: BAUERS, BAUMANN



The Rothschilds have been in control of the world for a very long time, and I produce my evidence for this below in a timeline.

The Rothschilds have, with their founding of Zionism, betrayed the principles of the Torah, and have caused great suffering around the world.

I name individual Rothschilds where I can, but due to the secrecy which they shroud themselves in, naming the exact Rothschild is not always possible.

I also wish to point out that this article is not criticising everyone with the name Rothschilds, simply the criminal element of that group that have carried out the treachery I detail below. Furthermore a great deal of this criminal element no longer carry the name Rothschild and there is a great deal of evidence pointing to the fact that those people currently in control of the United States, British and Israeli government are in fact Rothschilds


Rothschild Timeline

1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer, born Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender and the proprietor of a counting house. Over the entrance door he places a red sign.

This sign is a six pointed star (which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666) which under Rothschild instruction will end up on the Israeli flag some two centuries later.

1753: Gutele Schnaper (future wife of Mayer Amschel bauer) born.

1760: During this decade Mayer Amschel Bauer works for a bank owned by the Oppenheimers’ in Hanover, Germany, he is highly successful and becomes a junior partner. Whilst working at the bank he becomes acquainted with General von Estorff. (ANOTHER JEW? BAWAAAHAAAAAA!!!)

Following his father’s death, Bauer returns to Frankfurt to take over his father’s business. Bauer recognises the significance of the red sign and changes his name from Bauer to Rothschild, after the red sign signifying 666 hanging over the entrance door (“Rot,” is German for, “Red,” “Schild,” is German for, “Sign”).

Now Mayer Amschel Rothschild, he discovers that General von Estorff is now attached to the court of Prince William of Hanau. He therefore makes the General’s re-acquaintance on the pretext of selling him valuable coins and trinkets at discounted prices.

As he plans, Rothschild is subsequently introduced to Prince William himself who is more than pleased with discounted prices he charges for his rare coins and trinkets, and Rothschild offers him a bonus for any other business the Prince can direct his way. Rothschild subsequently becomes close associates with Prince William, and ends up doing business with him and members of the court.

1769: Mayer Amschel Rothschild is given permission by Prince William to hang a sign on the front of his business premises declaring that he is, “M. A. Rothschild, by appointment court factor to his serene highness, Prince William of Hanau.”

1770: Mayer Amschel Rothschild marries Gutele Schnaper.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild draws up plans for the creation of the Illuminati and entrusts Adam Weishaupt with its organization and development.



FOR MUCH MORE INFO. SEE LINK.


- ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING HOW MANY WAYS THEY HAVE FOR COVERING UP FOR THEMSELVES (NOT TO MENTION THE MYTHS BEING PERPETUATED BY THE LIKES OF ALBIE AND KHAZAR!!!!)





- 1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer, born Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender and the proprietor of a counting house. Over the entrance door he places a red sign. This sign is a red hexagram (which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666) which under Rothschild instruction will end up on the Israeli flag some two centuries later.


- THE SO CALLED ZIONIST/ASHKENAZI JEWS/ILLUMINATI/JESUITS/POPE, ET AL ARE REALLY THE GERMANS!!! Remember "BAUER" is a GERMAN name.


- How clueless does one have to be to not see that even ROTHSCHILD is not a Jewish name!?!LOL LOL LOL LOL OH OH OH OHH LOL!!

- Isn't it a well known fact the british royal family have GERMAN roots.

- Isn't Illuminati central really in LONDON??

- Jews took on german names?? What??? Clearly not what the evidence shows!!

- Mysterious ain't it, how we can trace back and see how they changed the GERMAN name BAUER to a so called JEWISH name (ROTHSCHILD ???- BAWAAAAAHHHAAAA)

- Yet we can't seem to find the so called JEWISH name they changed it from to the GERMAN BAUER.

- The Jews changed their German name to Rothschild???, "BECAUSE OF ALL THE IDIOT RACISTS THAT KEPT ATTACKING THEM"

- As far as we are able to deduce, the main character that is connected with so called "Jewish" racism is again the "GERMAN"


- HERE IN THIS POST WE HAVE COME TO THE TRUE GERMAN BRANCH/ROOT OF EVIL

- YET KHA ZAR STILL WISHES TO PROPAGATE CONFUSION ON ANOTHER THREAD BY QUERYING ooooH aaahhhm: "but even the Rothschilds take their orders from a higher authority which, I believe, is probably based in Asia, and the Far East dictates to the operational headquarters in London. MAYBE IT'S FROM PERSIA???

Khazar:

In between laughing my you know what off, where did you come up with that info???? Why is this revelation so hard for you to face?? Who really indeed are you and ALBIE? Who do you serve??? You like to post alot!!

Maybe you could begin looking into and posting some information on the German history to find how: "the whole scam is orchestrated from the lower fourth dimension."

BUT THEN I GEUSS YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT NOW, DON'T YOU??!!!:cool:



There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

[illuminist]

Oh dear... I thought this forum would have people who wouldn't fall for fat Rosie and posts like the previous one. :eek:

[foreverspirit]

Oh dear... I thought this forum would have people who wouldn't fall for fat Rosie and posts like the previous one. :eek:

Oh dear...Seems we have:eek: :cool:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

[illuminist]

Your more dialectic than fat Rosie and Alex.

You and Albie shoud get to know each other. :p

[foreverspirit]

Your more dialectic than fat Rosie and Alex.

You and Albie shoud get to know each other. :p



OH, TEE HEE HEE:cool:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

[illuminist]

Your dialectic hit-piece is nowhere near truth and expanded awareness.

...Take your babble about Askenazi Jewry not being Jewish... They might have the least of Jewish blood but what do you expect breeding off and on with gentiles for the last Two Thousand years?

[foreverspirit]

Your dialectic hit-piece is nowhere near truth and expanded awareness.

...Take your babble about Askenazi Jewry not being Jewish... They might have the least of Jewish blood but what do you expect breeding off and on with gentiles for the last Two Thousand years?


Awwwwwwwh, sniffle, sniffle, how can I continue du lies now.???!! Awwwwwwh Foreverspirit went and ruined alllllllll my fun, stomp, stomp.

Mommmmmmy, Furherrrrrrrr,
Okay Illuminist, Hiel!!!l:D :cool:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

[illuminist]

Ha. ...Fool.

[thedame]

Okay, I'm locking this thread.

I think it's lived out its usefullness.

Thanks for contributing...

thedame