Islam: Information about it's true origins?

[fox mulder]

Does anyone have any Icke or like authors links to information about the Islam religion exposed and it's true origins ..I remember reading something way back where Christianity was exposed in an article showing how the events and characters derived from various previous stories.

Would really appreciate if someone could help?

[water drinker]

There is nothing to explose about it, how about you read the Quran instead of just looking for dumb conspiracies? Try actually learning about the religion before you try find material to put it down.

A good place to start is here (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links).

[blue]

Does anyone have any Icke or like authors links to information about the Islam religion exposed and it's true origins ..I remember reading something way back where Christianity was exposed in an article showing how the events and characters derived from various previous stories.

Would really appreciate if someone could help?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
check this link

[blue]

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm

[blue]

There is nothing to explose about it, how about you read the Quran instead of just looking for dumb conspiracies? Try actually learning about the religion before you try find material to put it down.

A good place to start is here (http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links).

as expected one religion claiming it to be better than the other.
HOW MUCH OF DAVID ICKES WORK HAVE YOU READ WATER DRINKER??

[water drinker]

Blue, at least try to write in sentences please, your posts give me the impression you are a 6 year old kid having a mental breakdown everytime you post. Faith freedom has been debunked many times and it is just a website to smear the Qura and Muslims, the link I provided debunks all of Answering Islam.org and Faith Freedom's claims.

[kasalt]

http://www.hajiallah.com/yitha.htm

(Note: Written by a Christian.)

[sunyatta60]

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[blue]

Blue, at least try to write in sentences please, your posts give me the impression you are a 6 year old kid having a mental breakdown everytime you post. Faith freedom has been debunked many times and it is just a website to smear the Qura and Muslims, the link I provided debunks all of Answering Islam.org and Faith Freedom's claims.

thanks water drinker for judging my state of mind and my age. you fail again dear friend, you havent answered my questions. I do not believe in god so im not obliged to prove that there exists any god or allah (as i shun all gods) it is for the believer to prove that there exists a god.

[blue]

http://www.hajiallah.com/yitha.htm

(Note: Written by a Christian.)

thanks for the links kasalt, looks interesting.

[mariag]

Does anyone have any Icke or like authors links to information about the Islam religion exposed and it's true origins ..I remember reading something way back where Christianity was exposed in an article showing how the events and characters derived from various previous stories.

Would really appreciate if someone could help?
Go to icke shop and buy the biggest secret and the children of the matrix.
Islam and christianity are products of the Illuminati:)

[water drinker]

Go to icke shop and buy the biggest secret and the children of the matrix.
Islam and christianity are products of the Illuminati:)

Brainwashed. :o.

[mariag]

Brainwashed. :o.
I am me and I am free. :)

[octopusrex]

Go to a mosque and ask a cleric.

Like any temple.

If you don't like the answer, ask another cleric.

And so on until the truth sets you free.

[blue]

Brainwashed. :o.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT MAKES YOU SUPERIOR TO OTHERS ON THIS FORUM. INSTEAD OF CALLING MARIAG BRAINWASHED YOU NEED TO DO A REALITY CHECK.....HOW MUCH OF DAVID ICKES WORK HAVE YOU READ WATER DRINKER......I CHALLENGE YOU TO THIS QUESTION....LETS SEE IF YOUR A MAN ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT.

[mariag]

thanks water drinker for judging my state of mind and my age. you fail again dear friend, you havent answered my questions. I do not believe in god so im not obliged to prove that there exists any god or allah (as i shun all gods) it is for the believer to prove that there exists a god.
Dear Blue!
This water drinker fella is never going to answer your questions cause he is "brainwashed" and programmed by his so called faith . as shown in the you tube video with the 3 year "girl" they are being trained very young into the islam way. You see not only is it a religion it is also a state of mind, a way of living etc. And the moment these people start talking about freedom it is in fact hycropocy :) cause for a mind controlled brainwashed person like water drinker and so many else of these sect worshipers they have no freedom. Thats why they want to challenge everyone else into believe in what they do. Thats theire goal.
I know a lot of islam due to firstly I have been married to a muslim man , i have a lot of friends that are so called muslims or mslim wannabees . I have lived in a suburbed that contaied 85 percent of muslims from all kinds of the world.:)So I know a lot of Islam even if water drinker does think that i know nothing:D

[mariag]

About what kind of deity the muslims worship. A little info about pre islamic worship and how it started?
The question is :was Allah the moon god?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

http://web.comhem.se/~u33302551/bloggen/Mahomet.jpg

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/muslim.jpg

[paganus]

allah was originally a moon God,his consort was the Goddess sin.thats why the symbol of islam is a cresent moon.mohammad admited to creating the 'religion' when he saw the commercial success of the jews and christians.he saw monotheism as a way of creating a power-base in emulation of them.

[zarah]

allah was originally a moon God,his consort was the Goddess sin.thats why the symbol of islam is a cresent moon.mohammad admited to creating the 'religion' when he saw the commercial success of the jews and christians.he saw monotheism as a way of creating a power-base in emulation of them.


Can you cite the source of Mohammed admitting to creating Islam because of commericial success? That's a pretty important statement to make.

[paganus]

Can you cite the source of Mohammed admitting to creating Islam because of commericial success? That's a pretty important statement to make. i will.i need to find it out.cant remember which book it was in now.

[mariag]

Can you cite the source of Mohammed admitting to creating Islam because of commericial success? That's a pretty important statement to make.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

[blue]

You see not only is it a religion it is also a state of mind, a way of living etc. And the moment these people start talking about freedom it is in fact hycropocy :) cause for a mind controlled brainwashed person like water drinker and so many else of these sect worshipers they have no freedom. Thats why they want to challenge everyone else into believe in what they do. Thats theire goal.

can't be said better than what you summed up mariag

[mariag]

can't be said better than what you summed up mariag
It´s the truth as i see it anyway.;)

[mariag]

At this video from you tube describing false errors in the qouran concerning sience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAwNl470sQk&feature=related

[zarah]

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

It doesn't say that he admitted to creating Islam because of commercial success. I don't intend to start defending any faith but it's a lil unfair to start bandying around mistruths just because one doesn't agree with its concept.

[mariag]

It doesn't say that he admitted to creating Islam because of commercial success. I don't intend to start defending any faith but it's a lil unfair to start bandying around mistruths just because one doesn't agree with its concept.

not trying to "mistruth" just trying to find clues where its from dear:)no hard feelings I hope

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

If you're looking to understand Islam from it's peaceful stand point, I'd like to refer you to this site:
http://submission.org/

Very good information on the positive side of Islam.
And it also explains many of the misconceptions and hypocrisies many Muslims are committing today.

[razed1]

islam today is a brutal patriarchal, system of belieifs that beleives ritual sacrifice of animals appeases their god

they give a double standard to the woman

the culture promotes inbreeding, which over time is bad for the natural evolution of human beings, sexual reproduction choice should be based on hormones, not family names and bullshit like that


they belieive cutting off the foreskin of the penis will apppease their god


theyve even been so divided in their consciousness that they are told to eat with the right hand, and to wash their ass etc, with their left

this reinforces the left brain linear thinking prison that modern religions infuse into humanity



first thing mohamed did was come into mecca and banish the 'idol worshipers' (which were ppl who were still in a non linear religious practice, christians call them pagans)

then he constructed a giant CUBE in mecca, symbolic of the constrictive, 5 sense prison world of the saturnian archtype

anyone will tell you that having building in 90 deg angles and squares is not natural to human consciousness, but there stand a giant cube in mecca



i find muslims, after 9/11 have been more brainwashed than ever before to just follow the herd instead of looking at the roots of their prison religion

[razed1]

mohammed was probably a white guy

just like the leaders of one of these sects, suni's or shiites, idk which one

but theyre leader is this old dude who looks white, and his wife looks blond


theyre running yall form europe the whole time

[octopusrex]

If Islam goes, Christianity, Hinduism and the others will soon follow. The result will be a world with "no religions" true, but also a world that is radically wrong somehow. A world without the "sacred" is ... wrong.

This is what my heart tells me.

Islam vs. Christianity vs. Hinduism vs. Budhism vs... or

All religions coming together. To learn from each other.

Ne'er forget yer Shaman friends!

The Hopi have it right.

[crazed]

I intend to read the Quran before making any statements about Islam. I have some muslim friends who speak of Islam as good, and a lot of non-muslim people who speak of muslims as animals, so either someone here is lieing, or maybe they are both right.

Just out of curiosity, have any of you read the Quran, or are you just going on what others have told you about it?

[razed1]

If Islam goes, Christianity, Hinduism and the others will soon follow. The result will be a world with "no religions" true, but also a world that is radically wrong somehow. A world without the "sacred" is ... wrong.

This is what my heart tells me.

Islam vs. Christianity vs. Hinduism vs. Budhism vs... or

All religions coming together. To learn from each other.

Ne'er forget yer Shaman friends!

The Hopi have it right.

not all religions are created equal


there is a very distinct difference in the fundamental outlook on reality from religions such as x-tianity, islam, vs buddhism, hindoo, sikh


you cant group em all in the same basket

[razed1]

I intend to read the Quran before making any statements about Islam. I have some muslim friends who speak of Islam as good, and a lot of non-muslim people who speak of muslims as animals, so either someone here is lieing, or maybe they are both right.

Just out of curiosity, have any of you read the Quran, or are you just going on what others have told you about it?

what ive said is form interaction with pakistanis, indian mulsims , middle easterns based on questions ive asked them about islamic way of life

now there should be a point made about the religious writings of the koran vs, the cultural, islamic tenets that are taught to the islamic ppl

one could be a pure truth, the other coudl e a corrupted version of things the illuminati have cooked up to keep a ppls in bondage

[octopusrex]

I intend to read the Quran before making any statements about Islam. I have some muslim friends who speak of Islam as good, and a lot of non-muslim people who speak of muslims as animals, so either someone here is lieing, or maybe they are both right.

Just out of curiosity, have any of you read the Quran, or are you just going on what others have told you about it?

I read it in its entirety, word for word bout a year ago. Only once. Bible I'm workign on a second reading of. Lots of the same, I think. Lots of fire and brimstone.

Probably right on.

Sufi Order is certainly onto something.

[octopusrex]

not all religions are created equal


there is a very distinct difference in the fundamental outlook on reality from religions such as x-tianity, islam, vs buddhism, hindoo, sikh


you cant group em all in the same basket

True. A Catholic Inquisitore would be a hell of a party-buster for an English Coven around 1213. But you know, "Love one another".. Like old JC suggested is the whole damn point of being Christian in the first place. So seeing the sacred of ALL religions is important. A Peyote Shaman like myself has little tolerance for intolerant redneck southern baptist KKK members. BUT if I don't make Tolerance my religion, I am no better then huh?