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fox mulder
01-01-2008, 11:35 PM
It's been an eye opener for me recently to experience a Muslim friend's ideas about their criteria when forming physical relationships and love related commitments.
I'm told that their religion has instructed that they only marry someone with the same muslim faith and that someone any different to them is just no possible.
I know I might sound nieve writing this out like it's something new to me, but it's only now through my own experience has this truely brought an opinion out of me.
I've even found with christian friends that they evendually surround theirselves with their own kind most of the time, and begin to exclude alternative views and faiths.
I really want to have the right words to explain to these people in my life as to what they're actually doing, and how "Unspiritual" their ideas and behaviour is. Being someone with no religious connects I'm finding this social behavior a very common trend.
cruise4
02-01-2008, 11:01 AM
Hence the term... Birds of a feather flock together.
Its very unlikely that anything attacking a faith as an opener will do anything other than antagonise... so don't do it. I'd have thought a 9/11 angle would be an apropriate place to start. Then its up to them.
And in my opinion belief in God has in no way been diminished by anything thats being said. Just because the message has been tampered with does not mean the message is useless. (PS. I have no concrete beliefs so don't bother). I say this just to suggest you stay away from any 'conversion' attempts.
If you get interested in 9/11, then the rest, including spirituality, is just around the corner.
zarah
02-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Ive been with my boyfriend for two years and we plan to marry. He's originally from a different faith from me and his family are quite religious. They don't know we're anything more than friends (although he's planning to tell them quite soon). They don't just want him to marry someone from the same faith, but from his extended family, which I'm obviously not ;p
He tells me that culturally, it's so that they can vouch for the person their child's marrying. They're gonna freak when they find out about me :eek:
Muhammed instructed that muslims must first look in their close relations for marriage. if however they fail to find a suitable bride/bridegroom they are permitted to look beyond their own family relations. it is considered sacred to follow what muhammed taught. There is a issue of genetics, some say marrying in closer relatives makes your children dumb, while some say it is not so. You must have a look at afghanistan where poor parents marry their young daughters with ages less than 10 to older men just to clear off their debt, settle disputes or to buy goats from them.
zarah
02-01-2008, 04:21 PM
Muhammed instructed that muslims must first look in their close relations for marriage. if however they fail to find a suitable bride/bridegroom they are permitted to look beyond their own family relations. it is considered sacred to follow what muhammed taught. There is a issue of genetics, some say marrying in closer relatives makes your children dumb, while some say it is not so. You must have a look at afghanistan where poor parents marry their young daughters with ages less than 10 to older men just to clear off their debt, settle disputes or to buy goats from them.
Can you cite any reference this? Ive not read any Sunnahs detailing instruction only to marry close relatives, although Ive I understand that there's a list of close relatives who one shouldn't marry.
Can you cite any reference this? Ive not read any Sunnahs detailing instruction only to marry close relatives, although Ive I understand that there's a list of close relatives who one shouldn't marry.
it is not a sunnah, but mohammed said so.
water drinker
03-01-2008, 08:41 AM
Can you cite any reference this? Ive not read any Sunnahs detailing instruction only to marry close relatives, although Ive I understand that there's a list of close relatives who one shouldn't marry.
He is talking rubbish, I wouldn't listen to what he has to say. As a Muslim myself I can clear this up. Basically Men can marry a Muslim, Jewish or Christian girl, Muslim is preffered ovbiously but Christian or Jewish isn't against the rules. But women Muslims can only marry Muslim men.
Blue, Sunnah means "The way of the prophet" or "What the prophet said" so for you to say it isn't Sunnah but Muhammed said so proves you are just talking out your a$$, please try to stop talking on topics you have no idea about, also stop stalking me in the threads I post in please. Thanks! :D
zarah
03-01-2008, 09:02 AM
it is not a sunnah, but mohammed said so.
As water drinker says, a Sunnah is something which Mohammed has said or the way in which he did something, so for you to say it's not a Sunnah shows that Mohammed didn't say it. Where did you read that he did?
yvonne
03-01-2008, 12:37 PM
It's been an eye opener for me recently to experience a Muslim friend's ideas about their criteria when forming physical relationships and love related commitments.
I'm told that their religion has instructed that they only marry someone with the same muslim faith and that someone any different to them is just no possible.
I know I might sound nieve writing this out like it's something new to me, but it's only now through my own experience has this truely brought an opinion out of me.
I've even found with christian friends that they evendually surround theirselves with their own kind most of the time, and begin to exclude alternative views and faiths.
I really want to have the right words to explain to these people in my life as to what they're actually doing, and how "Unspiritual" their ideas and behaviour is. Being someone with no religious connects I'm finding this social behavior a very common trend.
Jehovah Witnesses are the same, they are not allowed to hang around "worldly" people and they are only supposed to 'marry in the lord'....and if they go against that they are either 'marked' or what they call 'disfellowshipped' and if that happens no one is allowed to talk to them (Not even family) or they will get in trouble!
Basically Men can marry a Muslim, Jewish or Christian girl, Muslim is preffered ovbiously but Christian or Jewish isn't against the rules. But women Muslims can only marry Muslim men.
WHAT THE HECK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? MEN CAN MARRY A MUSLIM, JEWSIH OR CHRISITIAN GIRL BUT BUT BUT A MUSLIM WOMAN CAN ONLY MARRY A MUSLIM MAN AND NOT MARRY A CHRISTIAN AND A JEW??? DONT YOU THINK YOU ARE BEING HARSH ON MUSLIM WOMEN....CANT SHE CHOOSE FOR HERSELF THE PERSON OF HER CHOICE? ANSWER ME WATER DRINKER.
As a Muslim myself I can clear this up. Basically Men can marry a Muslim, Jewish or Christian girl, Muslim is preffered ovbiously but Christian or Jewish isn't against the rules. But women Muslims can only marry Muslim men.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WATER DRINKERS COMMENT ZARAH?
water drinker
03-01-2008, 02:09 PM
It is actually to protect them. Women are more vunerable than men, so it is in the best intrest of her that she has a Muslim man to look after her. Same with the veil and hijab, it is for modesty and so people treat them for who they are and not for what they look like. Once again can you please stop typing in caps? It's really annoying.
Where did you read that he did?
FYI, IM BORN IN A MUSLIM FAMILY SO I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME FROM OTHER MUSLIM PEOPLE.
water drinker
03-01-2008, 02:15 PM
FYI, IM BORN IN A MUSLIM FAMILY SO I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME FROM OTHER MUSLIM PEOPLE.
I also heard that hitler loved Jews. Was it true? :rolleyes:
mariag
03-01-2008, 03:11 PM
It's been an eye opener for me recently to experience a Muslim friend's ideas about their criteria when forming physical relationships and love related commitments.
I'm told that their religion has instructed that they only marry someone with the same muslim faith and that someone any different to them is just no possible.
I know I might sound nieve writing this out like it's something new to me, but it's only now through my own experience has this truely brought an opinion out of me.
I've even found with christian friends that they evendually surround theirselves with their own kind most of the time, and begin to exclude alternative views and faiths.
I really want to have the right words to explain to these people in my life as to what they're actually doing, and how "Unspiritual" their ideas and behaviour is. Being someone with no religious connects I'm finding this social behavior a very common trend.
I found this when searching on google for muslim marriage.
http://www.irfi.org/questions_answers/muslim_men_can_marry_nonmuslim.htm
I qoute from the site
The general rule here (as enunciated in the above verse) is that marriage to non-Muslims is forbidden. Any change to this rule then, must be specifically stated, and we can only act on the basis of that specification. Allah (s.w.t) in Sura Al Ma'ida (5:6) grants a concession: "This day all innately good things are lawful for you…Lawful to you are the chaste women from among those who have been given the Book before you. . . ." (i.e. Jews and Christians). The law specifically mentions muhsanaat -- chaste females (from the People of the Book); it did not say muhsaneen -- chaste males.
zarah
03-01-2008, 04:07 PM
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WATER DRINKERS COMMENT ZARAH?
Umm, I agree because it's factual.
It is actually to protect them. Women are more vunerable than men, so it is in the best intrest of her that she has a Muslim man to look after her. Same with the veil and hijab, it is for modesty and so people treat them for who they are and not for what they look like. Once again can you please stop typing in caps? It's really annoying.
WOMEN ARE VULNERABLE, YOU MEAN WEAK.....BUT ALLAH HAS CREATED BOTH MEN AND WOMEN EQUAL ISNT IT.OH WOW PROTECTION IS IT? I TELL YOU WHY. ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SUPPRESS THE WOMEN, SAME WITH THE CHURCH WHICH HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN SUPPRESSING WOMEN. WOMEN ARE VULNERABLE TO MEN, INFACT WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE STRONGER THAN MEN.THE HIJAB OR VEIL IS NOT MANDATORY IN ISLAM MY DEAR FRIEND. ISLAM HAS CREATED MANY MYTHS TO CONTROL AND SUPPRESS WOMEN......NOT TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH WOMEN WHEN SHE'S MENSTRUATING, WOMEN ARE CONSIDERED DIRTY WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PERIOD AND THEY HAVE TO PURIFY THEMSELVES....NICE JOB ISLAM THUMBS UP.
IN ISLAM A MAN CAN HAVE UPTO 4 WIVES IF HE CAN.....BUT A WOMAN CAN ONLY MARRY A MUSLIM......AND NONE.....SOUNDS LIKE OPPRESSION TO ME.
WOMEN ARE STONED TO DEATH IN ISLAM FOR HAVING SEX WITH OTHER MEN.
Men have a degree over women...2:228 REFER TO THIS IN QURAN.
Men are protectors and maintainers of women; women must be devoutly obedient, if not then beat them...4:34 BEAT THEM......IMAGINE YOUR MOTHER AND SISTER BEING BEATEN UP.
YOUSUF ALI SAYS : Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. WTF ALLAH IS A HYPOCRITE...ALLAH SAYS BOTH MAN AND WOMAN ARE EQUAL AND YET ALLAH SAYS HE GAVE MAN MORE STRENGTH....ALLAH HU AKBAR.
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. SURELY ALLAH FAVOURS MAN.
Umm, I agree because it's factual.
EVERY BODY KNOWS ITS FACTUAL.....WHAT DO YOU AS A MUSLIM WOMAN FEEL ABOUT THAT STATEMENT.
phildee3
03-01-2008, 04:33 PM
Fuck the rules, and fuck what the family think!
Your spirituality is yours.
It should be the concern of nobody but you and your spouse (because you two become as one).
My wife and I had somewhat different beliefs when we met but after five years of learning from each other our spiritual life has become enriched from blending the truths from each of them - and throwing out the untruths that being together has revealed.
Interfaith marriage is beautiful, even preferable, imo, if you place love above "religion."
Fuck the rules, and fuck what the family think!
Your spirituality is yours.
It should be the concern of nobody but you and your spouse (because you two become as one).
My wife and I had somewhat different beliefs when we met but after five years of learning from each other our spiritual life has become enriched from blending the truths from each of them - and throwing out the untruths that being together has revealed.
Interfaith marriage is beautiful, even preferable, imo, if you place love above "religion."
You hit the nail phildee3. INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN ILLUSION.
water drinker
03-01-2008, 04:49 PM
WOMEN ARE VULNERABLE, YOU MEAN WEAK.....BUT ALLAH HAS CREATED BOTH MEN AND WOMEN EQUAL ISNT IT.OH WOW PROTECTION IS IT? I TELL YOU WHY. ITS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SUPPRESS THE WOMEN, SAME WITH THE CHURCH WHICH HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN SUPPRESSING WOMEN. WOMEN ARE VULNERABLE TO MEN, INFACT WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE STRONGER THAN MEN.THE HIJAB OR VEIL IS NOT MANDATORY IN ISLAM MY DEAR FRIEND. ISLAM HAS CREATED MANY MYTHS TO CONTROL AND SUPPRESS WOMEN......NOT TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH WOMEN WHEN SHE'S MENSTRUATING, WOMEN ARE CONSIDERED DIRTY WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PERIOD AND THEY HAVE TO PURIFY THEMSELVES....NICE JOB ISLAM THUMBS UP.
IN ISLAM A MAN CAN HAVE UPTO 4 WIVES IF HE CAN.....BUT A WOMAN CAN ONLY MARRY A MUSLIM......AND NONE.....SOUNDS LIKE OPPRESSION TO ME.
WOMEN ARE STONED TO DEATH IN ISLAM FOR HAVING SEX WITH OTHER MEN.
Men have a degree over women...2:228 REFER TO THIS IN QURAN.
Men are protectors and maintainers of women; women must be devoutly obedient, if not then beat them...4:34 BEAT THEM......IMAGINE YOUR MOTHER AND SISTER BEING BEATEN UP.
YOUSUF ALI SAYS : Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. WTF ALLAH IS A HYPOCRITE...ALLAH SAYS BOTH MAN AND WOMAN ARE EQUAL AND YET ALLAH SAYS HE GAVE MAN MORE STRENGTH....ALLAH HU AKBAR.
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. SURELY ALLAH FAVOURS MAN.
Equal in status, does not mean equal in strength or responsibilities. As Muslims we uphold faithfully to no sex before marriage, the veil and hijab act as a guard to women, it stops men staring at them instead they get treated with respect. I think before you make any more silly posts you should look at the crime rates and other comparisons in Islamic countries compared to Western countries. Islamic societies have a much stronger backbone and are almost crime free.
Equal in status, does not mean equal in strength or responsibilities.
WHAT DOES EQUAL ACCORDING TO YOUR ISLAM MEAN?? ANSWER ME
As Muslims we uphold faithfully to no sex before marriage.
GOOD FOR YOU, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.
the veil and hijab act as a guard to women,
WHOM DO YOU GUARD AS A GENERAL RULE...SOME THING WHICH IS PRONE TO GET HURT....WHO GETS HURT...WHICH IS WEAK.....SO ACC TO ISLAM WOMEN ARE WEAK, WHICH MEANS MAN IS STRONG, BUT DIDNT ALLAH SAY BOTH ARE EQUAL.
it stops men staring at them instead they get treated with respect.
ISLAM SHOULD TEACH MEN ALL OVER THE WORLD TO STOP STARING AT WOMEN AND TEACH THEM HOW TO RESPECT RATHER THAN COVER THE WOMEN.....WOMEN DESERVE RESPECT WITH VIEL OR WITH OUT VIEL
I think before you make any more silly posts you should look at the crime rates and other comparisons in Islamic countries compared to Western countries. Islamic societies have a much stronger backbone and are almost crime free.
LMFAO......BHUTTO JUST GOT ASSASSINATED IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY
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water drinker
03-01-2008, 05:54 PM
I can't take you seriously. All the points you brought up have already been answered.
I can't take you seriously. All the points you brought up have already been answered.
THANK YOU, BUT ANSWER THIS....IF ISLAM IS SO PERFECT WHY DOES IT TEACH HATRED AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS? I ASK THIS QUESTION AS I HAVE SEEN YOUR HATRED AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IN THIS THREAD. DEEP DOWN INSIDE YOUR HEART AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM....THEY HATE HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4UuWFk5Sg MASHALLAH
water drinker
03-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Islam does ont teach hatred against Christians and Jews, being an ex Muslim you should of known that. Nowhere in the Quran does it teach hate.
I ASK THIS QUESTION AS I HAVE SEEN YOUR HATRED AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IN THIS THREAD.
What? Are you insane? I don't hate Christians or Jews.
DEEP DOWN INSIDE YOUR HEART AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM....THEY HATE HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS.
No, just because you hate them does not mean I or everyone else hates them.
And the video is ovbiously just a case of bad parenting, you see one video of a girl and you think the other 1.2 billion Muslims are like that? Haha, take a dose of reality kid and stop using caps.
mariag
03-01-2008, 06:58 PM
THANK YOU, BUT ANSWER THIS....IF ISLAM IS SO PERFECT WHY DOES IT TEACH HATRED AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS? I ASK THIS QUESTION AS I HAVE SEEN YOUR HATRED AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IN THIS THREAD. DEEP DOWN INSIDE YOUR HEART AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM....THEY HATE HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4UuWFk5Sg MASHALLAH
one word : Antisemitism
mariag
03-01-2008, 07:03 PM
It is actually to protect them. Women are more vunerable than men, so it is in the best intrest of her that she has a Muslim man to look after her. Same with the veil and hijab, it is for modesty and so people treat them for who they are and not for what they look like. Once again can you please stop typing in caps? It's really annoying.
excuse my curiosity here but why does muslim men think that women need protection? against what? against who?
I thought that women where adults and could actually take care of themselfes:mad:
water drinker
03-01-2008, 07:19 PM
excuse my curiosity here but why does muslim men think that women need protection? against what? against who?
I thought that women where adults and could actually take care of themselfes:mad:
Against other men. Her body is for her husband and only her husband, it is not permitted for other men to set a gaze on it. This is because we see women as a treasure and we must treat them with the upmost respect.
mariag
03-01-2008, 07:25 PM
Against other men. Her body is for her husband and only her husband, it is not permitted for other men to set a gaze on it. This is because we see women as a treasure and we must treat them with the upmost respect.
thatīs why I call your religion a mind controlled paranoia. What about lust? and freedom of choice? justice for all? democracy? A womanīs own choice in husband or whatever.? Does she have the right to choose for her own?or is she too vulnerable to even have a mind of her own?
If you respected women you should also respect her as an individual human being with the same rights as you. For example , the right of having 4 wifes! The woman should then also have the right to 4 husbands. equaly.:)And also the right to choose what ever clothes she wants to wear. This mind controlled dogma is absurbed. A woman should not be treated as a child . She is no more vulnebarable then you.
water drinker
03-01-2008, 07:37 PM
thatīs why I call your religion a mind controlled paranoia. What about lust? and freedom of choice? justice for all? democracy? A womanīs own choice in husband or whatever.? Does she have the right to choose for her own?or is she too vulnerable to even have a mind of her own?
If you respected women you should also respect her as an individual human being with the same rights as you. For example , the right of having 4 wifes! The woman should then also have the right to 4 husbands. equaly.:)And also the right to choose what ever clothes she wants to wear. This mind controlled dogma is absurbed. A woman should not be treated as a child . She is no more vulnebarable then you.
It seems you don't have an idea what you are talking about either. Lust is bad, you should know that. The veil and hijab eliminate lust, and yes the women does have the right to chose a husband. If you want to walk around naked and sleep with 5 guys a week then that is fine, but other people have standards. :cool:
mariag
03-01-2008, 07:45 PM
It seems you don't have an idea what you are talking about either. Lust is bad, you should know that. The veil and hijab eliminate lust, and yes the women does have the right to chose a husband. If you want to walk around naked and sleep with 5 guys a week then that is fine, but other people have standards. :cool:
I know exactly what I am talking about . Lust is a natural need that you are born with and when it comes to sleeping with 5 men a week and walking around naked ,well this sentence shows that you are prejudice against women . I never said that women would sleep with 5 guys a week . And i never mentioned nudity . Who desides that it is not standard. As far as Iīm concerned a muslim man is entiteld to have 4 wifes but a muslim woman is only allowed to have 1 husband. If a muslim man have 4 wifes then he might have to have sex with these 4 women every week to satisfy them and "protect" them and make them feel special. Thats a whole lot of "job" for a "great" muslim man.
:)
Why do you say that lust is bad? it is not . Lust is libido ,the spark in life itself.
zarah
03-01-2008, 08:49 PM
EVERY BODY KNOWS ITS FACTUAL.....WHAT DO YOU AS A MUSLIM WOMAN FEEL ABOUT THAT STATEMENT.
Where have I said Im a Muslim woman?
zarah
03-01-2008, 08:51 PM
THANK YOU, BUT ANSWER THIS....IF ISLAM IS SO PERFECT WHY DOES IT TEACH HATRED AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS? I ASK THIS QUESTION AS I HAVE SEEN YOUR HATRED AGAINST CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IN THIS THREAD. DEEP DOWN INSIDE YOUR HEART AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM....THEY HATE HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4UuWFk5Sg MASHALLAH
Islam doesn't teach hatred, it teaches respect for the 'people of the book'.
mariag
03-01-2008, 10:53 PM
Islam doesn't teach hatred, it teaches respect for the 'people of the book'.
"true"Love teaches us to love and respect all no matter what sort of people they are , no matter what there faith is. "true" love is letting go of the past , forgiving and embracing the universe within . The truth shall set us all free and the truth is infinite love ...
phildee3
03-01-2008, 11:04 PM
Interfaith marriage is beautiful, even preferable, imo, if you place love above "religion."
You hit the nail phildee3. INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN ILLUSION.
Thanx, blue.
So why is everyone else on the thread taking this topic as an excuse to wage "holy war"? (God, what an oxymoron)
On a David Icke site, of all places!!
pri01
03-01-2008, 11:25 PM
He is talking rubbish, I wouldn't listen to what he has to say. As a Muslim myself I can clear this up. Basically Men can marry a Muslim, Jewish or Christian girl, Muslim is preffered ovbiously but Christian or Jewish isn't against the rules. But women Muslims can only marry Muslim men.
Blue, Sunnah means "The way of the prophet" or "What the prophet said" so for you to say it isn't Sunnah but Muhammed said so proves you are just talking out your a$$, please try to stop talking on topics you have no idea about, also stop stalking me in the threads I post in please. Thanks! :D
I have a male muslim friend and he recently confided in me that when he went to India November last, his Mother was trying to get him associated with a chosen female whilst he was there. However, he is such a beautiful person and he didn't want to hurt her feelings so he was as socially kind as he always is. He then told me that before this trip he met a girl towards the end of 2006, and he was still seeing her. His biggest dread, and I was shocked by this was that although she is a Muslim, she is the wrong type of Muslim and he still doesn't know how to tell his mother. My logic to console him was to say that at least she is a Muslim so that can be a good starting point. However, I get the feeling that this type of division is just the same as that seen in Christianity, Catholics, Protestents etc. It also suggests to me that if the religious leader can't get their heads together and unify, then we are likely to be all over the place and not believe any of it.
octopusrex
04-01-2008, 12:32 AM
Forbidden LOVE!
HOW WONDERFUL!
I used to look down on white women who married or had children with black guys.
Then I got smart.
water drinker
04-01-2008, 12:46 AM
I have a male muslim friend and he recently confided in me that when he went to India November last, his Mother was trying to get him associated with a chosen female whilst he was there. However, he is such a beautiful person and he didn't want to hurt her feelings so he was as socially kind as he always is. He then told me that before this trip he met a girl towards the end of 2006, and he was still seeing her. His biggest dread, and I was shocked by this was that although she is a Muslim, she is the wrong type of Muslim and he still doesn't know how to tell his mother. My logic to console him was to say that at least she is a Muslim so that can be a good starting point. However, I get the feeling that this type of division is just the same as that seen in Christianity, Catholics, Protestents etc. It also suggests to me that if the religious leader can't get their heads together and unify, then we are likely to be all over the place and not believe any of it.
Yes. This is a very big problem, Shias are a minority and are opressed by Sunni's. The stupid thing, is that both sides are basically the same! It's really dumb and the split was just caused by some immature people who spread lies about the Shias saying they worship camels etc etc. Then ovbiously the lie spread like a bad deasiese, and now these Sunnis think these Shias do all these silly things when they actually don't. It's a bad situation and needs fixing ASAP. People call for unity but then the next day these people's supporters go blow up the other sects mosque. It's just sad. :(
Islam does ont teach hatred against Christians and Jews, being an ex Muslim you should of known that. Nowhere in the Quran does it teach hate.
ALLAH HAS ORDERED TO KILL THE JEWS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szE_aJ3MdpU
What? Are you insane? I don't hate Christians or Jews.
YES YOU DO, YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS CHECK THEM
No, just because you hate them does not mean I or everyone else hates themAnd the video is ovbiously just a case of bad parenting, you see one video of a girl and you think the other 1.2 billion Muslims are like that? Haha, take a dose of reality kid and stop using caps.
THE VIDEO IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE KIDS ARE RAISED IN ARAB WORLD. THE LITTLE GIRL IS JUST REPEATING THE WORDS OF QURAN.
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Against other men. Her body is for her husband and only her husband, it is not permitted for other men to set a gaze on it. This is because we see women as a treasure and we must treat them with the upmost respect.
YOU ARE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A HYPOCRITE........ON ONE HAND YOU SAY WOMEN NEED PROTECTION AND THE OTHER YOU SAY THEY ARE TREATED AS TREASURE. WHAT WOMEN NEED IS FREEDOM FROM SUCH NARROW MINDED RADICAL MUSLIM THINKING.
"true"Love teaches us to love and respect all no matter what sort of people they are , no matter what there faith is. "true" love is letting go of the past , forgiving and embracing the universe within . The truth shall set us all free and the truth is infinite love ...
Very right mariag, true love teaches us to love and respect all. but religions like islam teaches to question other religions. religions create wars by playing different religions off against one another. religion is actually disconnecting us from others as people dont want to believe in any other religion apart from their own. RELIGION IS DIVISION AND DIVISION IS DIVIDED VISION.
Thanx, blue.
So why is everyone else on the thread taking this topic as an excuse to wage "holy war"? (God, what an oxymoron)
On a David Icke site, of all places!!
coz there are some religious mongers lurking on david ickes forum and promoting their religion. these sheeple think they can come here and convert people to their religion, but what they do not know is that this forum has seen many such religious promoters who have failed time and again. they came they claimed they were shunned and they left......soon it will be the time for yet another religious monger.
Yes. This is a very big problem, Shias are a minority and are opressed by Sunni's.
YET AGAIN OPRESSION IS FOUND IN ISLAM
The stupid thing, is that both sides are basically the same!
HOW? BUT SHIAS ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF ALI
It's really dumb and the split was just caused by some immature people who spread lies about the Shias saying they worship camels etc etc.
ONCE AGAIN YOU FAIL DEAR FRIEND...DO YOUR HOMEWORK. IF YOU DO A BIT OF RESEARCH MY DEAR FRIEND YOU WILL KNOW THE EXACT REASON FOR THE DIVISION BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS........IT IS FOR THE POWER TO TAKE OVER AS THE SUCCESSOR OF MOHAMMED.
Then ovbiously the lie spread like a bad deasiese, and now these Sunnis think these Shias do all these silly things when they actually don't.
A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF DIVISION
It's a bad situation and needs fixing ASAP. People call for unity but then the next day these people's supporters go blow up the other sects mosque. It's just sad. :(
HMMM....DO YOU THINK THIS SITUATION CAN BE FIXED, HOW SAD
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mariag
04-01-2008, 08:40 AM
Very right mariag, true love teaches us to love and respect all. but religions like islam teaches to question other religions. religions create wars by playing different religions off against one another. religion is actually disconnecting us from others as people dont want to believe in any other religion apart from their own. RELIGION IS DIVISION AND DIVISION IS DIVIDED VISION.
Islam and many other religions are mind controlled dogmas with one goal, to imprison your soul so that you are disconected from your spirituality. :)
Beacuse the Illuminati are afraid that if you are conected you will soon find out who they are and start deporgramming yourself and they will auomatically loose theire powers:D
phildee3
04-01-2008, 09:52 AM
coz there are some religious mongers lurking on david ickes forum and promoting their religion. these sheeple think they can come here and convert people to their religion, but what they do not know is that this forum has seen many such religious promoters who have failed time and again. they came they claimed they were shunned and they left......soon it will be the time for yet another religious monger.
Thanx for the warning, blue.
You'd think they'd have learned by now.
What a waste.
We could all be doing so much by working together.
Thanx for the warning, blue.
You'd think they'd have learned by now.
What a waste.
We could all be doing so much by working together.
anytime phildee3. instead of spending time debating with these religious promoters we can spend time helping each other learn and move ahead in the path to find the truth.
phildee3
04-01-2008, 07:45 PM
anytime phildee3. instead of spending time debating with these religious promoters we can spend time helping each other learn and move ahead in the path to find the truth.
Quite!
I agree that debating narrow minded bigots is futile.
I may appear to be debating them but I am refuting their false claims so that others may see that there is an alternative view to theirs; - so that they don't fall for their BS.
That's my intention, anyway.
It also helps me to see my position clearer by considering it in more detail.
It would be nice to clear the way for open minded exchange/discussion, but I'm not sure this is the correct format.
Like it or not, the moderators here are extremely lenient with trolls.
razed1
05-01-2008, 02:02 AM
Muhammed instructed that muslims must first look in their close relations for marriage. if however they fail to find a suitable bride/bridegroom they are permitted to look beyond their own family relations. it is considered sacred to follow what muhammed taught. There is a issue of genetics, some say marrying in closer relatives makes your children dumb, while some say it is not so. You must have a look at afghanistan where poor parents marry their young daughters with ages less than 10 to older men just to clear off their debt, settle disputes or to buy goats from them.
yea nice to kno you take all your life teaching from another man,
you make the illuminatis job real easy for them
octopusrex
05-01-2008, 02:19 AM
Mothers, more than fathers, determine how little girls will be when they grow up. Whatever a mother feels for herself, it will be like what her daughter feels.
This is such an important question, this is such a key element of what is going on right now, people fighting, people dying.. For this..
Ignorance.
What is the answer?
razed1
05-01-2008, 02:33 AM
natural evolution and strength of a species, i sbased on reprodutcion (obviously)
and you should let nature, ie. HORMONES , decide who you should make babies with
not some bullshit politics and material issues, like wealth and family ties
octopusrex
05-01-2008, 05:29 AM
Untangle THIS web and the whole thing comes tumbling down.
But it really does boil down to womens bodies and what they can and cannot do with them.
Men want... Sex.
At any cost.
Gita says Lust is the most terrible enemy of mankind.
Jesus says if you even LOOK at a woman with lust yer ... (how'd go?) Adulterous!
Don't start a panic, but.. I think the world needs more love.
Aisha, Aisha, Aisha!
phildee3
05-01-2008, 04:17 PM
Mothers, more than fathers, determine how little girls will be when they grow up. Whatever a mother feels for herself, it will be like what her daughter feels.
This is such an important question, this is such a key element of what is going on right now, people fighting, people dying.. For this..
Ignorance.
What is the answer?
Sorry; - what was the question? :confused:
mariag
05-01-2008, 04:21 PM
Yes and why do you say that :
Mothers, more than fathers, determine how little girls will be when they grow up. Whatever a mother feels for herself, it will be like what her daughter feels.?
But it really does boil down to womens bodies and what they can and cannot do with them.
Men want... Sex.
At any cost.
Sex is not a female neither male thing , is a basic instinct that we are born with and I have to say that I really donīt understand what you are getting at? both men and women want SEX
octopusrex
05-01-2008, 05:33 PM
Sorry; - what was the question? :confused:
The question of the birds and the bees.
I mean, my redneck family told their children that children are brought in by a stork!
Sexual education, seems to be the order of the day.
What shall we teach children?
AND what about Love?
Love and marriage?
Polygamy, exogamy, endogamy, polyarmony...
And don't get me started in the philias.
octopusrex
05-01-2008, 05:35 PM
Yes and why do you say that :
?
Sex is not a female neither male thing , is a basic instinct that we are born with and I have to say that I really donīt understand what you are getting at? both men and women want SEX
If sex is not a female male thing, why don't women buy more porn?
mariag
05-01-2008, 08:09 PM
If sex is not a female male thing, why don't women buy more porn?
Question is Why do We need porn if we can relate to one another and have positive and warm tender real sex experiences ? :D
I donīt think you got the point of what I was saying really.
octopusrex
06-01-2008, 02:30 AM
OF COURSE NOT!
I am a man and I LOVE porn.
Fact is, I grew up disabled and not very attractive to you ... Women. So sex never came easy to me and I was always hungry for it. Porn satisfied some of that hunger. Kind of like soy-tacos instead of real beef.
Getting laid got easier as I got older.
Lost its lustre because now, what I am interested in is more the person than the pussy. I fall in love, you see.
In fact, if I COULD understand what you mean, the world would deffinitively be a better place wot?
And then, to top it ALL off! You got that suicidial maniac, Jesus with his "if you even look at a women..". And the sad thing is that ol JC usually is spot on!
mariag
06-01-2008, 10:20 AM
OF COURSE NOT!
I am a man and I LOVE porn.
Fact is, I grew up disabled and not very attractive to you ... Women. So sex never came easy to me and I was always hungry for it. Porn satisfied some of that hunger. Kind of like soy-tacos instead of real beef.
Getting laid got easier as I got older.
Lost its lustre because now, what I am interested in is more the person than the pussy. I fall in love, you see.
In fact, if I COULD understand what you mean, the world would deffinitively be a better place wot?
And then, to top it ALL off! You got that suicidial maniac, Jesus with his "if you even look at a women..". And the sad thing is that ol JC usually is spot on!
Lucky me then That i donīt even belive in a christian jesus christ then. i can understand your fascinating with porn though.
I was only saying that it is not only the MEN that wants SEX s an answer to your post :)
Both men and women are born with lust as an manifacture to make it easier for us to produce babies. How we choose to use this sexual need is entirly up to the individual as long as it doesnīt harm anyone.
Itīs a wonderful thing that you can fall in love octopusrex it shows that you are an emtional fit person :)
A lot of people today often misjudge the love thing though , they often think that sex is love you see, and it is not. Sex is a reproducing method and lust for life if you know what I mean. This is my opinion :)
octopusrex
07-01-2008, 12:20 AM
But why don't chicks like porn?
razed1
07-01-2008, 12:30 AM
why dont chicks like porn??
cause sex used to be the most sacred thing in our existence, (still is)
its the closest you come to knowing god, is sex
the act of male and female coming together to create life, thats what the god does, is create life
this is also why the woman was thought to be closer to the godforce, because she has the ability to create life, and so of course, in this satanic age we live now, the woman has been vilified and reduced to a mere object of gratification
your consumption of porn is making a mockery of the most sacred in our universe
thats why its so easily available, they even have soft porn on late night cable tv
its not made for your pleasure, but to keep your consciousness down
i t ruins a boys adolescence, all that energy spent wanking off,
theres no bigger waste in creation, than the waste of spirit, every time you waste your precious fluid of life, you do an act against the very fabric of your being
knowing how we have been manipulated through our perception of sex, has been the illuminati's biggest weapon against us
octopusrex
07-01-2008, 03:56 AM
Hollywood knows one thing: Sex and violence sell.
Sex is seriuosly .... censored.
Violence is not.
Why?
Give you a for-instance: It is much more likely for children to see things blowing up, people being skewered, bombs, bullets and (oddly no blood) than for them to see people kissing, caressing or being playful in an erotic manner.
I have often fought this trend, and I am a fan of horror movies. You are what you think!