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bigus_dickus
01-01-2008, 03:59 AM
the cited article, has been on davidicke.com as a reference to who D.I. is and his life story thus far. it is now removed from the site, unless it is so well hidden that i can't find it. nevertheless, it is a "public domain" article that has been removed, but can only be found in the following link:

http://joshuabooks.com/about-david-icke.htm

article written by David Icke himself follows.

(note: i have bolded the points in which D.I. makes references to God, a higher power, the 'supernatural' or 'incomprehensible', a religious, mystic, "weird", "strange" experience or hallucination. my questions follow)


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Many who are new to my work have asked me how I got into all this. So I am going to briefly tell the story here, or as briefly as I can, because so much has happened.

I was born in Leicester, England, at around 6.15 pm on April 29th, 1952. I was brought up in what they call in Britain a "working class" family on a big council housing estate and money was short, very short, throughout my childhood. I wanted to be a professional soccer player for as long as I could remember and I achieved that by leaving school to play for Coventry City and Hereford United in the English league.

Just six months after my soccer career began, however, my left knee swelled up for no apparent reason and after months of tests they told me I had rheumatoid arthritis. I decided to play on because that was all I had ever wanted to do and I continued for the next five years, progressing in my career, but also watching the arthritis progress into my ankles, left knee, elbow, etc. In the final year of my career, at the age of 20, I was in agony every morning at training until my joints were warmed up and loosened a little. But I was enjoying a successful period and I wanted to carry on.

It activated still more a fierce determination I have always had not to capitulate to adversity and to overcome whatever life may choose to put before me. Or, in truth, what my own journey chooses.

Towards the end of that soccer season, the pain disappeared for around a month and I thought I was going to be OK, but then one morning I woke to find that every one of my joints was agony, like a knife being stabbed into them and my career was over. It took some days to even be able to hobble, never mind walk again. I was just turned 21 and I was led to believe that I would end up a cripple. It hasn't happened. It won't happen. It is not in my reality at all.

I decided I wanted to be a television presenter with the BBC and began to start on that goal by looking for work as a journalist. This was not easy because school had bored me rigid and I left to play soccer before taking any exams. (Thank-you, God) I would do my learning on my terms, in my time, and the "educational" system barely touched me. I rejected it all with a sort of inner knowing that it was not relevant to me.

I managed to get a job on a small weekly paper in Leicester, not least because I was the only applicant and from then on I advanced quickly through newspapers, local radio, regional television, to become a national sports and news anchor man and reporter. Soon after I achieved this, in 1982, I moved to an island off the south coast of England called the Isle of Wight, a place I had been attracted to since I was a small child.

It was here that I began to campaign on environmental issues and this led me to becoming a national spokesman for the British Green Party, a post I held at the time of the Greens greatest, indeed only, success at national elections in the UK, the election for members of the European Parliament in 1989. But I saw that while the Green Party talked about being different, it was, like all the Green parties I have come across, just the old politics under a new name. I lost interest and left as my life went through the most unbelievable upheavals.

From the mid-1980's onwards, I had also lost interest in television. I was doing it to earn money to spend on what I really wanted to do - environmental campaigning - and not because I actually desired to do it. I found television to be an empty, soul-less world, in which insecurity and fear abounded. And after the events of March 1990, my time in television was soon to be over.

I wrote a book in 1989 called It Doesn't Have To Be Like This, setting out the vision and agenda of the Greens because I felt they were talking to each other and not to the public as a whole. As I was writing the book, and in my work for the BBC, I began to feel a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall."

Soon afterwards, events began to move quickly.

In March, 1990, I was playing soccer with my son Gareth on the seafront at Ryde on the Isle of Wight and I said to him we would go and have some lunch at the railway station cafe' a short walk away. The cafe' was full and we turned to walk away when someone recognised me and began to ask me questions about soccer. When the conversation was over, I couldn't see Gareth, but I knew he would be in the newspaper shop nearby looking at books he liked. So it was. I stood at the entrance to the shop and said we were going now to find another cafe', but as I turned to leave, my feet were stuck to the ground as if two magnets were pulling them to the floor. I don't hear voices or anything, I just follow my intuition, but in this early period of awakening I did hear three voices very clearly. This was the first. It said: "Go and look at the books on the far side." What the hell was this all about? I thought.

I knew this shop very well and the books in that section were of no interest to me. But given the voice and what was happening to my feet, I went over to see what would happen. The first book I saw was one by a psychic lady and I was immediately intrigued because of this presence I had felt around me. I wondered if she would be able to tell me what was going on. She was also a hands on healer and so I wrote to her and made an appointment for healing, not telling her about the presence or anything else. To her, I just wanted to try her healing on my arthritis. I only saw her four times and in the first two visits nothing happened of note, except that I talked with her about other dimensions and the wider vision of life.

Then, on the third visit, I was lying on the couch while the healing was done when I felt like a spider's web on my face. I had remembered reading in her book that this can happen when "spirits" are trying to make contact. I said nothing to her, but within fifteen seconds, no more, she pushed her head back and said: "This is powerful, I'll have to close my eyes for this one!" She said she was seeing a figure who wanted her to pass on messages to me. The same happened a week later and this is what the "figure" asked her to tell me on those occasions:

He is a healer who is here to heal the earth and he will be world famous. He will face enormous opposition, but we will always be there to protect him. He is still a child spiritually, but he will be given the spiritual riches. Sometimes he will say things and wonder where they came from. They will be our words. Knowledge will be put into his mind, and at other times he will be led to knowledge.

He was chosen as a youngster for his courage. He has been tested and has passed all the tests. He was led into football to learn discipline, but when that was learned it was time to move on. He also had to learn how to cope with disappointment, experience all the emotions, and how to get up and get on with it. The spiritual way is tough and no-one makes it easy.

We know he wanted us to contact him, but the time wasn't right. He was led here to be contacted, not to be cured. But one day he will be completely cured. He will always have what he needs, but no more.

Don't try to do it all alone. Go hand in hand with others, so you can pick each other up as you fall.

One man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that will change the world.

He will write five books in three years.

Politics is not for him. He is too spiritual. Politics is anti-spiritual and will make him very unhappy.

He will leave politics. He doesn't have to do anything. It will happen gradually over a year. (Exactly as happened)

In 20 years there will be a different kind of flying machine, very different from the aircraft of today. Time will have no meaning. Where you want to be, you will be.

There will be great earthquakes. These will come as a warning to the human race. They will occur in places that have never experienced them. Taking oil from the seabed is destabilising the inner earth. The centre of the earth will move and the poles will change. The sea spirits will rise and stop men taking oil. The sea will reclaim the land and humans will see that they cannot do these terrible things. They cannot abuse the elements. They have to be treated with respect.

All this was told to me on March 29th 1990 and on the second visit about a week later. At the time, I was a BBC television presenter and national spokesman for the Green Party and had no idea what this was all about. Yet ten years later, most of it has happened or is happening. Even down to the five books in three years, which I wrote to the month. I told some of the Green Party leadership about these experiences, but their reaction was just as closed-minded, ignorant, and uninformed as you would find in the system the Greens were claiming to challenge. "I think David is going crazy." Yea, right. Welcome to the new politics!

I wrote of these early months of awakening in a book called Truth Vibrations (Gateway Books) and then came the most astonishing event of all in an endless stream of fantastic experiences I was having and continue to have. I felt this enormous urge to go to Peru in late 1990, early 1991, and I headed there in February 1991 purely on the strength of this intuition. A series of stunning things happened to me there and it culminated with the following experience.

My Peruvian guide had booked us into a hotel called the Sillustani in Puno, not far from Lake Titicaca, the highest navigable lake in the world. Sillustani is an ancient Inca site about an hour's drive from Puno and there were pictures of this around the hotel for obvious reasons. I said that I wanted to go there and I had to hire a tourist mini-bus for myself because it was out of season and there were no scheduled trips. There was just me, the guide, and the driver. Sillustani is a mound next to lagoon with the Inca ruins on the top. It is in an uninhabited area and it was very quiet when I was there, just a couple of children with a lama waiting to sell photographs to tourists, not that there were any.

After I had walked around the ruins for an hour or so in the piercing Peruvian Sun, I went back to the tourist bus to go back to Puno. I thought the trip was over, but it had hardly begun. About three minutes drive down the road I was looking out of the window and I saw a mound to my right. As I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me." Very strange to say the least, but I asked the driver to stop because I wanted to go and look at the mound.

Although I could not see it from the road, I found there was a circle of standing stones at the top of the mound and they had clearly been there a very long time. I stood in the centre looking back across to Sillustani with the mountains way off in the distance. There was not a cloud in the sky and the Sun was extremely hot, burning my face. Suddenly, I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot up above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so. Put your arms above your head, slightly outwards at about 45 degrees and see how they start to ache within a minute. My arms were like that for well over an hour and I felt nothing until it was over and then they were agony.

A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain."

What? What rain? There was not a cloud to be seen anywhere, just a glowing Sun in a clear blue sky!!

I stood there as the energy increased and increased to the point where my body was shaking as if plugged into a power station. After a while, I saw a light grey mist over the distant mountains and as I watched it got darker and darker. It had begun to rain far away. Very quickly this storm emerged from those mountains, filling the sky with clouds, and covering the Sun. Eventually it was over me and I was seeing faces in the billowing clouds. The storm was moving so fast, it was almost like time-lapse photography. Then it began to rain and as I felt the water on my face, the surge of energy suddenly stopped as if someone had flicked a switch. I staggered forward, my legs like jelly, my shoulder and arm muscles now very painful.

Energy was pouring from my hands with fantastic power and I went down to the bus to grab a crystal in an effort to diffuse some of it. My feet continued to burn and vibrate for some 24 hours. I could hardly sleep that night because of it.

My life was to change dramatically, in fact as dramatically as you could imagine, in the weeks that followed. I felt like a dam had burst within me and my consciousness was thrashing around trying to rebalance itself under the new circumstances. That took some two months to happen and in that time of enormous confusion, Truth Vibrations was launched and I went on national TV in the UK to be ridiculed beyond belief. For two years and more I could not walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at by most of the people. Comedians only had to mention my name and they got an immediate laugh.

But nightmare as this was, it set me free of the prison that most people live in - the fear of what other people think. Only by breaking free from that could I now be going around the world talking about shape-shifting reptilians occupying the positions of global power. If you need people to respect you as your sense of security, there is no way you would do that - one key reason why it has so rarely been communicated before. That ridicule was a major part of my journey and it set me free of so much.

From that time, I have followed the flow of life. Exactly what I was told would happen through the psychic lady in 1991, I have been led to knowledge, more and more all the time, which has revealed a picture of how the world has been controlled by a tiny few for thousands of years. And how the suppression of the spiritual knowledge, the understanding of who we are and the nature of life itself, has been the foundation of how this has been done. I have also learned of the Great Awakening, the Great Transformation, that is upon us.

The trickle of information became a river and now it is a tidal wave. Yet, we have hardly begun and the rest of the story promises to be even more amazing than even what has already happened in these last ten incredible years.

Love,


David Icke


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questions (for David, everyone else):

who does David take orders from? who called him ("come to me, come to me"), who nailed his feet on the ground, urged him to do stuff, think stuff, believe stuff? who jolted him with energy? what was this energy? who is David working for?

thanks for your time.

octopusrex
01-01-2008, 06:09 AM
Politics anti-spitirual because it boils down to an elimination game just like all left-hand-path spiritual elimination games.

kasalt
01-01-2008, 07:13 AM
Here are some relavent DI quotes on religion...

RINF.com David Icke Interview quotes:

ABTS asks:
Mr Icke, first of all let me thank you for all the work you're doing for the people of this planet. You've often spoke about an energy or entity around you. What do you think this is? A spirit guide, a guardian angel? Have you had communications with this being?

David Icke:
Thank-you. I have come to understand this 'force' around me far more in recent times. It is consciousness beyond the 'Matrix', beyond the program, that is feeding in information to explain the illusion that we are caught in - and how to free ourselves. Anyone can access this level of knowledge, but most people don't because they identify who they are with the programmed 'world' and believe it to be real to all there is. What we believe, we experience. This guiding force is getting stronger and stronger within me every day to the point where I don't have to research as much in the 'five-sense' way anymore. Much of it comes direct.

Fletch asks:
Do you still believe you are the son of God? If not, was there any particular moment when you realised you were not the offspring of a Deity or was it a more gradual process?

David Icke:
I am a Son of God, if you can open your mind enough to perceive us all as a droplet in the same infinite ocean of consciousness that some call 'God'. Indeed, open your mind some more (sorry about the headache, Fletch) and you will see that we are not only a droplet, we are the ocean also. Thus, continuing the analogy, we are both the 'son' and the 'father'. Yep, even you, mate

Fletch asks:
Also if you admit that you were wrong doesn't that make what your saying now also slightly suspect.

David Icke:
See above. And whether anyone sees what I say as slightly suspect or utterly brilliant it is all the same to me. It is information, make of it what you will. And what you will is none of my business.

Fletch asks:
If you still think you are the son of God do you think that gives you any special insight?

David Icke:
I have a special insight that I am seeking to use. Most people have a special insight they do not seek to use, not least because they are told from cradle to grave that it doesn't exist. And the insight is not actually 'special', it is the nature of existence. We have just been manipulated to forget that.

Fletch asks:
If not and you're certain you're right, doesn't that make you as dogmatic as a religious fundamentalist?

David Icke:
Religious fundamentalists seek to impose their view, I don't give a shit what people think of mine, let alone demand that anyone believes it. By the way, look in the mirror and see what dogma looks back at yourself.

Rinf.com asks:
Finally David, thank you for taking the time to answer our questions and do you recommend any aura cleansing / meditation techniques to prevent these negative energies of from tuning in or clinging to our psyche?

David Icke:
Live with joy and without fear. Aura cleansed.

http://www.rinf.com/articles/david-icke-interview.html


Quotes from MetaTech.org interview with David Icke:

Now, since The Biggest Secret came out, and I told the story in there of how these bloodlines came out of the Near and Middle East, how the blueprint of control by religion was formed in Babylon, where their Trinity of Nimrod, Tammuz the Sun, and Queen Semiramis the female, there was mirror in terms of the stories of the later Jesus stories, and many other stories in other cultures that relate to exactly the same stories using different heros, since I wrote in the book that the Gospels were actually written by a Roman Aristocratic family called the Pisos, Piso. Since I wrote in the book that these stories were eventually taken and turned into a religion by, most notably, the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine the Great, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., and, of course, what came out of that, eventually, was the Roman Church which became the Christian religion.

Since I wrote in the book that one of the key bloodlines that I am identifying is the Merovingian bloodline that came out of the Near and Middle East into France, and, of course, has been widely written about in various books in the recent ten years or so, since I noted that in the book that the British Royal Family, including King George III, were these bloodlines, since all of that, I have, in the last ten days come across the genealogy of the George Bush family, including, of course, George W. Bush, who, surprise, surprise, is being pushed as the year-2000 President.

It only turns out that the Bush family and the Roosevelt family, who are of the same line, are genetically related to Alexander the Great, who, I think it's around 300 B.C., plundered this very area-I'm talking about Egypt, what we call now Israel, down to Babylon and across to India-this whole area I'm talking about, the Bush family and the Roosevelt family are related to him, genetically.

They are related to the Piso family, the Roman aristocratic family who wrote the Gospel stories originally. They're genetically related to Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who took those stories and turned it into the Christian religion, in effect, which makes the people who wrote the stories and the person who created the religion, the same bloodline.

They're genetically related to Dagobert, one of the key Merovingian line. Dagobert was said to be one of the last surviving Merovingian line, but that's not correct. The Bush family is also genetically related to George III, who was around when people like Benjamin Franklin were giving the American people the impression they were going to freedom, when actually they were going to covert control by Britain, which they've had ever since.

So when you look-and this is just a few headlines from the Bush line-when you look at the Bush line alone it supports, emphatically, these bloodlines that came out of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area and have been brought through to be in positions of power, not least today. It is no accident, Rick, that George W. Bush, with that background, genetically, is the one they're bringing through and throwing the money at to become president in the year 2000, which is a key year for them.

And it is the ultimate control because they're controlling the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity doesn't even think that there are other dimensions. And this suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created religions to suppress-indeed, make so off-limits for many thousands of years just talking about these things-is to suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, which means that they can go on controlling humanity from levels of existence that most of humanity doesn't even accept exist. I mean, you can't get better forms of control than that.

Source: http://www.metatech.org/david_icke_and_reptilians.html

bigus_dickus
01-01-2008, 08:00 PM
Here are some relavent DI quotes on religion...

thanks. this generates more questions however. let's see:

David Icke:
Thank-you. I have come to understand this 'force' around me far more in recent times. It is consciousness beyond the 'Matrix', beyond the program, that is feeding in information to explain the illusion that we are caught in - and how to free ourselves. Anyone can access this level of knowledge, but most people don't because they identify who they are with the programmed 'world' and believe it to be real to all there is. What we believe, we experience. This guiding force is getting stronger and stronger within me every day to the point where I don't have to research as much in the 'five-sense' way anymore. Much of it comes direct.

this is like answering a question without answering it. he says "a (level of) consciousness beyond the matrix".

but this consciousness must be an entity on its own self, as it dictates and presents visions of the future, information which David includes in his books, feelings and "alternate" experiences it causes David to have.

question: is that entity the "God" that David talks about (when he says he is "a son of God")? is "God" which David talks about the same entity with this consciousness? is this consciousness perhaps the same entity that Moses experienced and that Jesus incarnated into?

in other words, we have an occasion of "channeling" as claimed by other authors who gave a name and personality to the entity who dictated or transfered thoughts or emotions to them. is he channeling the same one entity, or is it a different one? is it himself, or a "higher self" or higher "level of consciousness" which is common to all that is and which every human has access to when open and willing to accept and receive it?

Fletch asks:
Do you still believe you are the son of God? If not, was there any particular moment when you realised you were not the offspring of a Deity or was it a more gradual process?

David Icke:
I am a Son of God, if you can open your mind enough to perceive us all as a droplet in the same infinite ocean of consciousness that some call 'God'. Indeed, open your mind some more (sorry about the headache, Fletch) and you will see that we are not only a droplet, we are the ocean also. Thus, continuing the analogy, we are both the 'son' and the 'father'. Yep, even you, mate

this means that, first time David had these experiences, he believed that he was "the" son of God, that is the chosen one by God, that God, the infinite consciousness beyond the matrix, or infinite love which is the only truth, chose David because he was worthy and capable or destined to convey God's message to the world.

after his known ridicule in the media, he decided that he is not "the" son of God specially chosen (anointed) by the father, but "a" son of God, as everyone else is, just a little more perceptive and open minded so that he can say that he was told and shown things by this entity, God, that people have been believing in all along and consequently made his books "God inspired", just like the biblical authors have claimed about their own teachings.

are the above thoughts correct, David?

Fletch asks:
If you still think you are the son of God do you think that gives you any special insight?

David Icke:
I have a special insight that I am seeking to use. Most people have a special insight they do not seek to use, not least because they are told from cradle to grave that it doesn't exist. And the insight is not actually 'special', it is the nature of existence. We have just been manipulated to forget that.

these words by David confirm partially what i just wrote above.

Fletch asks:
If not and you're certain you're right, doesn't that make you as dogmatic as a religious fundamentalist?

David Icke:
Religious fundamentalists seek to impose their view, I don't give a shit what people think of mine, let alone demand that anyone believes it. By the way, look in the mirror and see what dogma looks back at yourself.

however, christians in general are not religious fundamentalists who seek to impose their view.

Christians of early days have claimed to believe to the only one and true living God, but they didn't demand that anyone would convert to that belief even by force. they have told people to stop, look, listen and make up their own minds. but because of that, they were met with great opposition, condemnation and prosecutions by the pagan people.

David seems to have a similar stance. he says that he is not lying, that people should look at this info and think for themselves.

the reason i am making this parallel, is that it seems like David has had several genuine "religious experiences" as the authors of our religions did.


David Icke:
Genetically engineered food is designed to genetically engineer us. That's the agenda, as I explain in the new book.

i think that this is too far fetched. genetic engineering can't be condemned out of our fear that we will use it against us. if we use it for us, we can make 'miracles'. that's an issue that one has to look upon all the facts available.


Fletch asks:
And, can I join your religion?

David Icke:
Fletch, to those who have bothered to find out anything about me that is not provided by the mainstream media, the question must be hilarious. Religion is the greatest form of mind control every invented.

wrong. David being quite religious himself, to make that claim is a straight up contradiction.

claiming "non religiousness" is the mind trick in this case.


David Icke:
I have not seen a full shapeshift, but I can sense the eyes and energy of these bloodlines. It is very, very distinctive once you begin to recognise it. The Dutch royal family are big time reptilian shapeshifters, yes.

how exactly does David "sense the eyes and energy" of these bloodlines?

this doesn't make any sense.


Georgie asks:
what's your thoughts on Jordan Maxwell?

David Icke:
Very good information on symbolism. I think I'll leave it at that.

good, because J.M. is an occultist and astrologer. you don't wanna mess with that crap.


David Icke:
He has a right to his opinion. The ever-gathering wealth of information has shown it to be misguided, however. The idea that all my information about the reptilians etc. has come from that one source is utterly laughable, ridiculous beyond words, but that was the impression that seemed to be given by many would-be detractors of The Biggest Secret. For every one like Arizona who has had the guts to go public with her name, I speak with countless others who tell me of similar experiences but are frightened to speak openly.

understand David, that there are plenty of people out there who would do anything to get a little publicity, even verbally and mentally masturbate with great ease and normality.

BaNoyse asks:
Given that Reptilians are as you detail, is there a way to cause the reptiles true form be to be shown?

David Icke:
From the hundreds and hundreds of people I have met and communicated with who have seen shapeshifting , it seems that they are most likely to shift in states of extreme anger - fury - sexual fervour and in situations where they are safe to do so, especially their sacrifice rituals.

how about these hundreds of people have been able to manifest them because of their fear for those individuals who were extremely angry, furious, sexual?

you know, some others have been able to manifest Jesus for the same reasons (apostle Paul), or because of feelings of extreme love and compassion.

Since I wrote in the book that these stories were eventually taken and turned into a religion by, most notably, the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine the Great, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., and, of course, what came out of that, eventually, was the Roman Church which became the Christian religion.

this whole sentence is wrong, because that's not what happened.

They're genetically related to Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who took those stories and turned it into the Christian religion, in effect, which makes the people who wrote the stories and the person who created the religion, the same bloodline.

even if they created the religion out of nothing as David says, they still describe religious experiences and notions similar to what David conveys in his books.

or else, how did David come up with that "son of God" thing?

is David saying that the core teaching of christianity which is based on God's infinite unconditional love expressed in the character of Jesus the Christ, with the 10 basic rules that we all teach our kids today, is wrong and made to control and manipulate people?

then how come what he says is so much different that classifies in a different category?

And it is the ultimate control because they're controlling the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity doesn't even think that there are other dimensions. And this suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created religions to suppress-indeed, make so off-limits for many thousands of years just talking about these things-is to suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, which means that they can go on controlling humanity from levels of existence that most of humanity doesn't even accept exist. I mean, you can't get better forms of control than that.

what does David mean by "suppression"? all the above is recent scientific knowledge. where have you ever seen anything about "dimensions, vibrations, quantum, consciousness, etc" in ancient writings?

i think that David himself should explain.

kasalt
02-01-2008, 02:20 AM
Many of your questions are answered in detail in David's books. Barring that, consider a premium membership and ask him your questions directly for the videocasts.

kasalt
02-01-2008, 03:08 AM
This is Part 1 of one of David Icke's lectures. It is 2 1/2 hours long. If you have the time to watch, I recomment it. He gets into the religion aspect about 1/2 way through:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1383372190947951444

tinmenace
02-01-2008, 03:10 AM
Yeah, if they'd just read the books :rolleyes:

bigus_dickus
02-01-2008, 09:35 AM
This is Part 1 of one of David Icke's lectures. It is 2 1/2 hours long. If you have the time to watch, I recomment it. He gets into the religion aspect about 1/2 way through:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1383372190947951444

i have already seen all of his videos.

i don't think you get my point that the particular article i posted here doesn't agree with much of what he says about religion in those videos.

bigus_dickus
02-01-2008, 09:39 AM
Many of your questions are answered in detail in David's books. Barring that, consider a premium membership and ask him your questions directly for the videocasts.

maybe someone who has actually read all of his books, would be able to simply reply to the questions in a few of his own words.

and i am not going to pay him just to send him an email. emailing is fucking free. so is the part of the forum that i am using. so this means that he is not going to answer my questions unless i pay a fee. i have no problem with that, i am not dying to know anyway.

kasalt
31-01-2008, 11:43 AM
DI goes into religion in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S93QS933Kug

kasalt
31-01-2008, 03:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hCDhAK-BL0

bigus_dickus
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
i just watched these and i enjoyed them. very good.

but, what he does in these videos is not dismissing religion at all, but state his own beliefs. he dismisses attachment to doctrine and taking everything in scriptures literally and seriously. and much of what he says is part of the core doctrine of christianity, if we exclude the trinity doctrine, which was added later of course and the apocalyptic scenario, which is another story, although Jesus is again the main figure in it.

that was also the point of this thread, that David is religious himself. he says that he is being dictated what he says by a higher consciousness, a mediator of the 'infinite', or the 'infinite' self.

Jesus has allegedly said the same stuff, but in different words, in different era. he wouldn't have been able to mention "infinite", or "consciousness", or "radio waves" and "electromagnetic signals" though, he was talking to shepherds. their technology was a little more primitive than ours.

on the other hand, David dismisses the whole Jesus myth, as a program made by the reptilians.

why is that?

paganus
07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
i belive the 'psychic lady' in question is Betty Shine.if that helps you any.

amethyst
08-02-2008, 02:14 AM
Here are some relavent DI quotes on religion...

RINF.com David Icke Interview quotes:

ABTS asks:
Mr Icke, first of all let me thank you for all the work you're doing for the people of this planet. You've often spoke about an energy or entity around you. What do you think this is? A spirit guide, a guardian angel? Have you had communications with this being?

David Icke:
Thank-you. I have come to understand this 'force' around me far more in recent times. It is consciousness beyond the 'Matrix', beyond the program, that is feeding in information to explain the illusion that we are caught in - and how to free ourselves. Anyone can access this level of knowledge, but most people don't because they identify who they are with the programmed 'world' and believe it to be real to all there is. What we believe, we experience. This guiding force is getting stronger and stronger within me every day to the point where I don't have to research as much in the 'five-sense' way anymore. Much of it comes direct.

Fletch asks:
Do you still believe you are the son of God? If not, was there any particular moment when you realised you were not the offspring of a Deity or was it a more gradual process?

David Icke:
I am a Son of God, if you can open your mind enough to perceive us all as a droplet in the same infinite ocean of consciousness that some call 'God'. Indeed, open your mind some more (sorry about the headache, Fletch) and you will see that we are not only a droplet, we are the ocean also. Thus, continuing the analogy, we are both the 'son' and the 'father'. Yep, even you, mate

Fletch asks:
Also if you admit that you were wrong doesn't that make what your saying now also slightly suspect.

David Icke:
See above. And whether anyone sees what I say as slightly suspect or utterly brilliant it is all the same to me. It is information, make of it what you will. And what you will is none of my business.

Fletch asks:
If you still think you are the son of God do you think that gives you any special insight?

David Icke:
I have a special insight that I am seeking to use. Most people have a special insight they do not seek to use, not least because they are told from cradle to grave that it doesn't exist. And the insight is not actually 'special', it is the nature of existence. We have just been manipulated to forget that.

Fletch asks:
If not and you're certain you're right, doesn't that make you as dogmatic as a religious fundamentalist?

David Icke:
Religious fundamentalists seek to impose their view, I don't give a shit what people think of mine, let alone demand that anyone believes it. By the way, look in the mirror and see what dogma looks back at yourself.

Rinf.com asks:
Finally David, thank you for taking the time to answer our questions and do you recommend any aura cleansing / meditation techniques to prevent these negative energies of from tuning in or clinging to our psyche?

David Icke:
Live with joy and without fear. Aura cleansed.

http://www.rinf.com/articles/david-icke-interview.html


Quotes from MetaTech.org interview with David Icke:

Now, since The Biggest Secret came out, and I told the story in there of how these bloodlines came out of the Near and Middle East, how the blueprint of control by religion was formed in Babylon, where their Trinity of Nimrod, Tammuz the Sun, and Queen Semiramis the female, there was mirror in terms of the stories of the later Jesus stories, and many other stories in other cultures that relate to exactly the same stories using different heros, since I wrote in the book that the Gospels were actually written by a Roman Aristocratic family called the Pisos, Piso. Since I wrote in the book that these stories were eventually taken and turned into a religion by, most notably, the Roman Empire, Emperor Constantine the Great, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., and, of course, what came out of that, eventually, was the Roman Church which became the Christian religion.

Since I wrote in the book that one of the key bloodlines that I am identifying is the Merovingian bloodline that came out of the Near and Middle East into France, and, of course, has been widely written about in various books in the recent ten years or so, since I noted that in the book that the British Royal Family, including King George III, were these bloodlines, since all of that, I have, in the last ten days come across the genealogy of the George Bush family, including, of course, George W. Bush, who, surprise, surprise, is being pushed as the year-2000 President.

It only turns out that the Bush family and the Roosevelt family, who are of the same line, are genetically related to Alexander the Great, who, I think it's around 300 B.C., plundered this very area-I'm talking about Egypt, what we call now Israel, down to Babylon and across to India-this whole area I'm talking about, the Bush family and the Roosevelt family are related to him, genetically.

They are related to the Piso family, the Roman aristocratic family who wrote the Gospel stories originally. They're genetically related to Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who took those stories and turned it into the Christian religion, in effect, which makes the people who wrote the stories and the person who created the religion, the same bloodline.

They're genetically related to Dagobert, one of the key Merovingian line. Dagobert was said to be one of the last surviving Merovingian line, but that's not correct. The Bush family is also genetically related to George III, who was around when people like Benjamin Franklin were giving the American people the impression they were going to freedom, when actually they were going to covert control by Britain, which they've had ever since.

So when you look-and this is just a few headlines from the Bush line-when you look at the Bush line alone it supports, emphatically, these bloodlines that came out of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area and have been brought through to be in positions of power, not least today. It is no accident, Rick, that George W. Bush, with that background, genetically, is the one they're bringing through and throwing the money at to become president in the year 2000, which is a key year for them.

And it is the ultimate control because they're controlling the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity doesn't even think that there are other dimensions. And this suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created religions to suppress-indeed, make so off-limits for many thousands of years just talking about these things-is to suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, which means that they can go on controlling humanity from levels of existence that most of humanity doesn't even accept exist. I mean, you can't get better forms of control than that.

Source: http://www.metatech.org/david_icke_and_reptilians.html

I tend to agree with what David wrote about the Merovingian bloodline, as there is a lot of information available that corroborates what he says about it. But I disagree with him about who wrote the gospels.The book of Matthew, book of Mark, book of Luke, book of John were not written by a roman aristocratic family called the Piso family. While they (the Piso family) may have existed and may have indeed been genetically related to Constantine, I disagree that they were the original authors of the gospels.
(Maybe that's the real conspiracy)

I believe that the original authors of the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by those same individuals called Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Jesus's very first followers. Four eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus on earth. Hand picked by Him.The life of Jesus written from four different perspectives ( as each were very different individuals) But each of their stories, although told from their point of view, essentially say similar things.

And Constantine is a whole other subject. Christianity is not something he represented.He just tried to put his spin on what Christianity was and how it should operate. RELIGION with a capitial R. A big contradiction to what Jesus stood for and was about IMHO.