Illegal Plants threaten homelessness.

[notaslave]

A 68 year old grandmother from Northumberland was ordered to do 250 hours community service because she takes cannabis for her depression lol She does not want to take prescribed medication due to side affects. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/08/ndopegran08.xml

She rents from Milecastle Housing Association http://www.milecastlehousing.co.uk/ who are now considering "her future at the property".

From what I know of tenancy agreements they can evict her for this. I was going to email them however they have no email address on their site that I could find.

I dont think this is a very nice way to treat our old people. Presumably they have benefitted from her rent for several years. Even if she is now in receipt of housing benefit (being 68) the Housing Association still get her rent money from central Govt.

Anyone in the Northumberland region have an email address for these parasites? Or who is the central body which overlooks social housing in England - anyone know?

[notaslave]

Councillors in Humshaugh and Wall:

Alex Kerr
Conservative

Tel: 01434 672816
Email: alex.kerr@tynedale.gov.uk

If you are in this ward perhaps you might drop your local councillor an email in support of Patricia Tabram the 68 yr old grandmother.

[eternal_spirit]

Surely she can appeal on humanitarian grounds. If it gets to the satge where she is threatened with eviction. The fact that she's old and ill should go in her favour. not sure if an ill person can be evicted even if they have been found guilty of breaking the law.

[john white]

Shes just caught in the crossfire in the "War on Drugs" (see "War on Consciousness"): and no doubt the housing association is staffed by plenty of recreational drug users...

[phoenixchilde]

Am I missing something here? She smokes up to cure depression? Has that ever worked? NO! Canabis will actually make it worse. I know someone who had to give up his weekend weed because he was having panic attacks.

BTW, I'm assuming pot is illegal in the UK. If so, then yeah, she should be evicted by her landlords.

[seamus]

Phoenixchilde, you need to know about civil disobedience and jurisprudence.

Civil disobedience is how you change the law when the lawmakers don't want to listen up.

Jurisprudence, (at least in the US) is the right of jurors to deem a law "unjust" and a person "innocent" of evil, though they are in technical violation of that law.

Jurors are not told this, and if someone tries to tell them (like a lawyer or barrister or whatever) then the judge will have a conniption.

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[jenkalichen]

Phoenix child, I guess when the Gov creates a law that you should be chipped with a brain implant, you will say, if the law says so I must be chipped, you'll say go ahead, the law is always right, especially if someone tells you being chipped could lead to depression and panic attacks, because you are already a robot. The chip is waisted on people like you who can't think for themselves, and expect the entire human race to be the same way.

[pollock]

Phoenix child, I guess when the Gov creates a law that you should be chipped with a brain implant, you will say, if the law says so I must be chipped, you'll say go ahead, the law is always right, especially if someone tells you being chipped could lead to depression and panic attacks, because you are already a robot. The chip is waisted on people like you who can't think for themselves, and expect the entire human race to be the same way.

LOL I was going to say almost exactly the same thing, and besides, there is probably people who can get weirded out from smoking but personally I have not met any who changed personallity from it, only people with problems get problems from smoking as far as I have seen (and I have seen my fair share, be that good or not).
Ah, ok I must admit that if you are not involved in anything, you can tend to get stuck. But if Im on a mission, theres nothing better to send me off at good speed than a J

[notaslave]

Although I am not in that area of Uk I have emailed her local councillor, will post his reply if he even bothers to reply.

[eternal_spirit]

Am I missing something here? She smokes up to cure depression? Has that ever worked? NO! Canabis will actually make it worse. I know someone who had to give up his weekend weed because he was having panic attacks.

BTW, I'm assuming pot is illegal in the UK. If so, then yeah, she should be evicted by her landlords.

Marijuana is the best known cure for depression, I know what I'm talking about. I've had differen't types of antideppresants many years ago off the Doctor, the side effects where BAD!.....I was given antianxiety drugs which made me more anxious. Just do a search on (Prozac) and similar antidepressants like (Seroxat) read peoples storys about how these prescribed medications messed them up BIG time!

Was you're friend drinking? or taking other drugs too? Cannabis is always the convenient scapegoat ...lot's of other things in life can cause panic attacks! Ask a proper pothead not a part time user if cannabis makes them happy the answer will be YES:D

Alcohol is the legal high which can cause panic attacks and a long list of other nasty side effects... including turning people into complete and utter assholes. YES some people may have a peoblem using cannabis I won't deny that.

But on the whole pot smokers are usually pacifists and smoke for reasons such as the lady in the News. Some just to relax and unwind at the end of a hard day.

[lottie]

here here eternal spirit! everyone's different cannabis affects everyone differently! i have seen perfectly balanced individuals smoke and its affected them in a way they dislike or cant handle and ive seen the same branch of people smoke and they get a lot of benefit from it- on the flipside- vice versa!! everyone's different! if you smoke it and you enjoy it then go for it- if you dont- thats equally ok! i agree tokers are generally pacifists- funny how cannabis is illegal and alcohol is legal- imo- it should be the other way round!! although saying that- people should be allowed to choose what they do-if you want to drink yourself into a stupa- be my guest- no skin off my nose!!

[eternal_spirit]

Yes it seems dumb that in one part of the world you can legaly grow the stuff at home, but in the Uk you can be sent to prison.

[notaslave]

here is a video of Cannabis Granny Patricia Tabram 68 yr old, who likens herself to early suffragettes
cannabis granny - YouTube

Most up to date news I can find so far, is that her housing association are holding a meeting deciding whether to evict her.

Her local CONSERVATIVE councillor has not replied to my email, which doesnt surprise me. I expect he will be too busy feeding at the trough with his fellow councillors of all political backgrounds. Useless bunch I have always found, with one exception.

[seamus]

Yes it seems dumb that in one part of the world you can legaly grow the stuff at home, but in the Uk you can be sent to prison.

It goes way beyond dumb. It is the ultimate in hubris. These governments made up of mere MEN have decided for the rest of humankind that the Universe was WRONG and made a MISTAKE in designing cannabis. Fools! They will get what's coming to them for their arrogant pride in the face of all creation.


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[graflok]

Arizona Wilder has said that the real reason that governments attack pot use is because pot is one drug that does not facilitate mind control. Most drugs do but pot does not. A person under the effects of pot is highly resistive to mind control. So, governments hate pot and try to get rid of it.

graflok

[notaslave]

Arizona Wilder has said that the real reason that governments attack pot use is because pot is one drug that does not facilitate mind control. Most drugs do but pot does not. A person under the effects of pot is highly resistive to mind control. So, governments hate pot and try to get rid of it.

graflok


Yes I would agree. I dont tend to do it as I cant get it locally only lumps of hash and it's not my thing.

Just had an idea though ... if anyone from within the same ward as Patricia Tabram has emailed their local councillor could you PM me as it may tie in quite nicely with another project.

[phoenixchilde]

Phoenixchilde, you need to know about civil disobedience and jurisprudence.

Civil disobedience is how you change the law when the lawmakers don't want to listen up.

Jurisprudence, (at least in the US) is the right of jurors to deem a law "unjust" and a person "innocent" of evil, though they are in technical violation of that law.

Jurors are not told this, and if someone tries to tell them (like a lawyer or barrister or whatever) then the judge will have a conniption.

s

I've never given a crap about how things work in the US. In Canada, when someone takes a law to court, it is decided by a panel of judges. Jurors are only used when the defendant is an individual.

Civil Disobedience is a different situation entirely. Civil disobedience is when someone breaks a law to bring about change, or because they believe it to be unjust. Based on what's been said, it seems like she's only doing it for her own benefit, and no one else's.

[phoenixchilde]

Phoenix child, I guess when the Gov creates a law that you should be chipped with a brain implant, you will say, if the law says so I must be chipped, you'll say go ahead, the law is always right, especially if someone tells you being chipped could lead to depression and panic attacks, because you are already a robot. The chip is waisted on people like you who can't think for themselves, and expect the entire human race to be the same way.

Jenka, if I was incapable of thinking for myself, I'd smoke weed just because that's what the mass media tells people to do. As it is, I listen to neither the media, nor peer pressure.

Marijuana is the best known cure for depression, I know what I'm talking about. I've had differen't types of antideppresants many years ago off the Doctor, the side effects where BAD!.....I was given antianxiety drugs which made me more anxious. Just do a search on (Prozac) and similar antidepressants like (Seroxat) read peoples storys about how these prescribed medications messed them up BIG time!

Was you're friend drinking? or taking other drugs too? Cannabis is always the convenient scapegoat ...lot's of other things in life can cause panic attacks! Ask a proper pothead not a part time user if cannabis makes them happy the answer will be YES:D

Alcohol is the legal high which can cause panic attacks and a long list of other nasty side effects... including turning people into complete and utter assholes. YES some people may have a peoblem using cannabis I won't deny that.

But on the whole pot smokers are usually pacifists and smoke for reasons such as the lady in the News. Some just to relax and unwind at the end of a hard day.

Eternal, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, or what I said. Anyone who's spent a signifant amount of time with potheads knows plenty of things that contradict what you've said here. For starters, the person I referred to was a real pothead, like all my college peers. Someone who can't go a week without lighting up isn't a part time smoker. Now here's where you didn't pay attention to what I typed. He was a very happy person when he was high, but his regular habit accelerated the chemical imbalance in his brain which lead to the panic attacks.

In fact, any proper pothead will tell you that weed doesn't always make them happy. Get out a little more and you might see people at a party who are just "out of it," or depressed after smoking up. Weed is a mood intensifier, much like shrooms. How you feel when you light it up, is how you'll feel when you're high.

And by the way, alcholics don't have panic attacks, they get liver problems.

[graflok]

Here is another case of obscene marijuana law enforcement, this one is a dying woman in California:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NS32N82&show_article=1

graflok

[seamus]

Those bastards are going to get theirs. Hey, let's the Wagga Crew manifest some justice on their asses! C'mon, it'll be fun! It will be for the Greatest Good too!

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[seamus]

I've never given a crap about how things work in the US. In Canada, when someone takes a law to court, it is decided by a panel of judges. Jurors are only used when the defendant is an individual.


You had better give a crap how things are done in the US, because we're going to be sharing a court system and government real soon, and it's going to look more like the US's than yours, mate. Of course, the health care system will look more like yours... Then we'll all have to go to Colombia to find a decent doctor. Haha! And besides... derr... this woman's an individual ain't she?


Civil Disobedience is a different situation entirely. Civil disobedience is when someone breaks a law to bring about change, or because they believe it to be unjust. Based on what's been said, it seems like she's only doing it for her own benefit, and no one else's.
Does it not occur to you that she may have more than one reason for disobeying? Consider her age. It may gain her a public relations advantage. All her children are grown. This also is an advantage. You really don't give a shit for this woman or any problem she suffers with, do you? You really think the gov't is right, don't you? Rule by force seems to be your cup of tea. Why are you here? don't you feel a little out of your element? Wouldn't you be more at home at a party rally in Ottawa?

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[eternal_spirit]

Jenka, if I was incapable of thinking for myself, I'd smoke weed just because that's what the mass media tells people to do. As it is, I listen to neither the media, nor peer pressure.



Eternal, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, or what I said. Anyone who's spent a signifant amount of time with potheads knows plenty of things that contradict what you've said here. For starters, the person I referred to was a real pothead, like all my college peers. Someone who can't go a week without lighting up isn't a part time smoker. Now here's where you didn't pay attention to what I typed. He was a very happy person when he was high, but his regular habit accelerated the chemical imbalance in his brain which lead to the panic attacks.

In fact, any proper pothead will tell you that weed doesn't always make them happy. Get out a little more and you might see people at a party who are just "out of it," or depressed after smoking up. Weed is a mood intensifier, much like shrooms. How you feel when you light it up, is how you'll feel when you're high.

And by the way, alcholics don't have panic attacks, they get liver problems.

You are missing the point here. The lady in question says she smokes to relieve depression, surley she must be an expert on the effects of smoking ?Her age points to this. She prob doesn't want the side effects that go with prescribed illuminati huge profit making mess you up big time drug cocktails that they pass off as cures for panic and depression.

It's a vicous circle if one type of medication gives someone bad side effects the doctor will usually prescribe another type. All she's asking for is to choose her own medication.;)

[phoenixchilde]

You are missing the point here. The lady in question says she smokes to relieve depression, surley she must be an expert on the effects of smoking ?Her age points to this. She prob doesn't want the side effects that go with prescribed illuminati huge profit making mess you up big time drug cocktails that they pass off as cures for panic and depression.

It's a vicous circle if one type of medication gives someone bad side effects the doctor will usually prescribe another type. All she's asking for is to choose her own medication.;)

I spent a year and a half dating a wonderful woman who suffered from depression when I met her. She had tried a number of various drugs to cure her depression before I met her, and to agree with you, none of them worked. By the time our relationship ended, a year and a half after I met her, her depression was gone. No prescription drugs, no weed. Like every other person who permanently cured depression, it was completely psychological. She spent a year and a half learning to look on the bright side of life, and finding out what it's like to be cared out. That's the best(and possibly only) cure for depression.

Weed is a good cure for chronic physical pain, in fact, it was used by middle american natives long before white people showed up in North America just for that reason.

[phoenixchilde]

You had better give a crap how things are done in the US, because we're going to be sharing a court system and government real soon, and it's going to look more like the US's than yours, mate.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Over my dead body will Canada be the 51st state. You think the terrorists are badass mother fuckers? You just wait to see what the citizens of Canada do if America tries to control us.

Does it not occur to you that she may have more than one reason for disobeying? Consider her age. It may gain her a public relations advantage. All her children are grown. This also is an advantage. You really don't give a shit for this woman or any problem she suffers with, do you? You really think the gov't is right, don't you? Rule by force seems to be your cup of tea. Why are you here? don't you feel a little out of your element? Wouldn't you be more at home at a party rally in Ottawa?

s

This has nothing to do with rule of force, nor does it have to do with the government being right or wrong. She was not evicted by the government, she was evicted by a landlord. A landlord is a person, in this case, a person whom she had wronged. I may be wrong, but I assume that in the UK, as in Canada, a landlord can be held responsible if they know of illegal actions happening on their property and do nothing about it. That's more proof that this is not civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is against the government, this is against a person.

PS. I would not be against attending a party rally in Ottawa. That's one of the best ways to affect change. By becoming part of the process that creates it. It's sure better than whining on a website, don't you think?

[notaslave]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Over my dead body will Canada be the 51st state. You think the terrorists are badass mother fuckers? You just wait to see what the citizens of Canada do if America tries to control us.



This has nothing to do with rule of force, nor does it have to do with the government being right or wrong. She was not evicted by the government, she was evicted by a landlord. A landlord is a person, in this case, a person whom she had wronged. I may be wrong, but I assume that in the UK, as in Canada, a landlord can be held responsible if they know of illegal actions happening on their property and do nothing about it. That's more proof that this is not civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is against the government, this is against a person.

PS. I would not be against attending a party rally in Ottawa. That's one of the best ways to affect change. By becoming part of the process that creates it. It's sure better than whining on a website, don't you think?

1) I wouldnt go to war for the elite over the name of a bit of land that I have no ownership over and never will.

2) Has she been evicted? I didnt know that she had. If she has then shame on THEM all. From her councillor to the Housing Association to the stupid law which makes a plant illegal. I dont smoke the stuff myself but its a plant let's get that straight and in my view a plant can be no more illegal than a human being. This planet is it's home.

3) If no-one challenged the laws ... let me see someone has to first break a norm of society. Ok imagine a world before computers right? Therefore no laws existed to protecting data held on computers - yes? So did this law magically appear? No, someone stole data off someone else and they made a new law to cover this OK? So law is a changing thing it must change and the changes arent always for the best - which is why you have test cases. To change the laws. It's like a language it has to be continually changing to keep up. Laws MUST be challenged or we would still have silly laws like you cant hang your washing out on a Sunday.

4) Her kindly landlord is a HOUSING ASSOCIATION, these charming people bought a huge part of our social housing stock from local government and make mega bucks out of it. This isnt some little working man that has a house and has bought another to let out as a side earner. This is a LIMITED company.

Personally I have a crack dealer in my social housing block who we have tried to get rid of because he is a little shit of a neighbour, he is dealing a drug which has terrible effects on people and the police are turning a blind eye and the local govt are too. Not to mention the myriad callers to his door at all hours, which disturbs the rest of us.

COS it is so much easier in this country to pull a driver for a little speeding and get 60 quid or whatever, or to prosecute a little old woman eating a bit of weed.

Give me 10 cannabis grannies to my one crack dealer.

[notaslave]

And as a bit of a historical note.

Most houses in UK were social housing (local council rented accommodation) up until the MILK SNATCHER THATCHER woman got into power. (She stopped free milk to young school kids too - lovely woman) She sold off a lot of social housing and in years following more and more stock was turned over to HOUSING ASSOCIATIONS companies who incidentally many of them got the housing stock for very little cash because govt policy wanted rid of housing stock.

Indeed very little new social housing is built by govt now. Hence the homeless problem.

[seamus]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Over my dead body will Canada be the 51st state. You think the terrorists are badass mother fuckers? You just wait to see what the citizens of Canada do if America tries to control us.

You're funny. Have you ever read, listened to, or watched anything done by David Icke? If you had, you would know that names like Canada and USA are just names. Canada and the US are pwned by the same ruling elite, by the proxy of the British banking houses. Go read a bit, and come back when you've got that bit down. :p

This has nothing to do with rule of force, nor does it have to do with the government being right or wrong. Sure it does. If the gov't weren't misusing its access to force in the first place by proscribing what can go into peoples' bodies, this whole thing would be a non-issue.

PS. I would not be against attending a party rally in Ottawa. That's one of the best ways to affect change. By becoming part of the process that creates it. It's sure better than whining on a website, don't you think? No actually I don't. Because if enough of us on these websites put our minds to intending a better world, it's gonna happen, sure as the politicians use rallies and polls to determine how well the programming is taking hold (not to help them decide what to do).

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[lilloz]

This really pisses me off!!!!!
At the end of the day in my opinion people should be able to put whatever they like in to there bodies, what’s happening to this woman is appalling she is old enough and wise enough to make her own decisions she is not harming anyone.
To phoenixchilde, allot of people can smoke weed without getting nasty side affects, some do most don’t, and why you think an old lady making a 'free' choice should be put on to the streets is beyond me.

xx

[lottie]

Lilloz speaks some sense! i too believe we should be able to do as we please with what we put in our bodies- its no-ones business but mine what i put in my body!! whether its arsenic, paracetamol, weed, cream cakes or alcohol- MY body MY choice!! Im sick to death of being told what i can and cant do!! :mad:

Also- everyone is different- the same substance that each person has will affect each differently!

[eternal_spirit]

Marijuana(cannabis) is classed as a class C drug by law. For Posession you can be fined and charged. Which means you will have a criminal record. The police sometimes will give you a caution and let you go without a fine.

This is the crazy part of the law.....For growing the plant at home and supplying it, you could by law face up to 14 years in prison!

For murder the sentence is usually 14 years in prison but in some cases after 9 years you are allowed to appeal. AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH exscuse me.

[phoenixchilde]

You're funny. Have you ever read, listened to, or watched anything done by David Icke? If you had, you would know that names like Canada and USA are just names. Canada and the US are pwned by the same ruling elite, by the proxy of the British banking houses. Go read a bit, and come back when you've got that bit down. :p

First of all, you just embarrass yourself when you type "pwned." Do you not realize that video games were created to distract the youth of today from the world outside? Why do you think computer screens were made to cause eyesight problems?

Second, by being on this forum, I'm sure you've realized the high probability that I have read something by Icke. Unfortunately, after buying Children of the Matrix, I could only get halfway through it. I realized at that point that he throws out a lot of interesting ideas and provokes a lot of thought, but he doesn't back up anything he says with facts. A perfect example is what you brought up. He states that Canada and the US still belong to Britain, but he doesn't state any proof.

No actually I don't. Because if enough of us on these websites put our minds to intending a better world, it's gonna happen, sure as the politicians use rallies and polls to determine how well the programming is taking hold (not to help them decide what to do).

Do you also not realize that that's part of the conspiracy? You sit behind your computer typing away, because while you're typing away, the rich white men are still controlling the world. Computers were created to distract the people intelligent enough to see the conspiracy, and stop them from affecting change. You look at anyone in recent history who's changed the world, and they didn't use a computer to do it.

Intentions alone do not create the world, actions do. You want to create a better world, turn off the computer, and go affect change.

[seamus]

You first ;)

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[number 6]

Well I've read a lot of nonsense on this thread about the perils of the dreaded weed.

I smoke pot. I've smoked it nearly half my life and to me it's the best way to unwind after a stressfull day. I appreciate that different people have different reactions when consuming the plant and if it's not their thing then they should leave it alone. I'm caffeine sensitive and hate the smell and taste of coffee so what do I do? I leave it alone, even when others seem to consume it by the bucket load.

Whether people like it or not, cannabis exists and it isn't going anywhere folks. I know teachers, journalists, scientists, programmers and even a couple of policemen who smoke regularly without detrement to their career or lifestyle. My own career requires me to liase with leaders of industry, politicians and even the odd royal family member and yet if you listen to the news then I'm a hardened criminal.

Let's make it clear... IT'S PERSONAL CHOICE!

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... the illegality of cannabis is the main reason that it's a gateway drug. If the local drug dealer hasn't got any weed he'll peddle whatever he's got to make a profit. Albeit cocaine, heroin or crack. Most of us who know the dangers of these hard drugs would leave them alone, but the average 14 year old who's afraid of disappointing his mates and has had no unbiased education about drugs will take whatevers going. Hence, a junkie is born.

From my point of view the only way forward is legalisation and to allow people to grow it in their greenhouses or attic space.

I could really go off on one and detail my life story about how smoking or cooking with weed has helped me focus on everything from understanding quantumn physics to learning the tin whistle, but I wont. And don't get me started about the medical benefits.

Having a little spliff relaxes me. End of story.
It's my business and nobody elses. So there.

[myeika]

Hi...

Just my two pence worth......

I know granny pat very well.... I support her in her campagin......

She is a wonderful person, who can see the benefits this herb has to offer the people suffering.... - oh and by the way she doesn't smoke it, she uses it in cooking, to make cakes and hotpots........

She is a wonderful careing woman (excuse spelling)

I take my hat off to her and bless her......

If there were more people like granny pat, the world would be a better place!

[phoenixchilde]

- oh and by the way she doesn't smoke it, she uses it in cooking, to make cakes and hotpots........


Ok, big problem with this story now. Eating ganja very little effect on people. The digestive system is far less effecient at processing THC, so eating the equivalent of one joint has no effect on a person. The process of extracting the THC(which is the active ingredient) from wacky tabacky is so inefficient that people more frequently use shrooms to make "special brownies" and other such fun foods. Am I the only Canadian here?

[myeika]

Based on what's been said, it seems like she's only doing it for her own benefit, and no one else's.

Hi Phoenix......

Please dont go on just what has been said.....Granny is a wonderful soul, I will expand in a mo..... She isn't doing this for herself!!!!!
She is doing this for ALL the Medi people in the UK, who believe me are well behind her!


Ok, big problem with this story now. Eating ganja very little effect on people. The digestive system is far less effecient at processing THC, so eating the equivalent of one joint has no effect on a person. The process of extracting the THC(which is the active ingredient) from wacky tabacky is so inefficient that people more frequently use shrooms to make "special brownies" and other such fun foods. Am I the only Canadian here?

Ok not such a big problem at all when you know the history of what is happening with granny pat and the other medi users of the UK......
Obviously you haven't spoken to many!......

Many of the abled medi people in the uk have been working and helping granny for a long time now, this isn't just something she has just started.....The Weed she uses is specially grown pure strain medi weed, grown by medi people and their carers - there is a huge difference to this strain than the ones found on the street.....

Over time, we have found - (yes 'we' the medi users in the UK) - the correct ammount to add to what ever we are making, be it cakes or hot pots etc etc... It is used by us to help control our pain - and if you speak with granny she will tell you that her arthritus was so bad she couldn't move at one point...it is the media that like to insist she is just using it for her depression....

This lady makes cakes and hotpots for many other OAP's around her who are unable to cook, and who are in terrible pain......Then she gets on a bus and travels miles - even tho she is not too good her self - to get it out to them... does she charge them? no...What does she get out of it? The knowledge that she has at least been able to help someone, oh and the chance of loosing her home... These people she takes her stuff too they dont any more use gp drugs, just their intake of cooked medi weed...... Are these old souls fools too....???? I dont think so.....Just people who have been shafted by the control of the ones who wanna rule us!

I have found like many others that if your body is ill, This plant, will help....You do not get the same affect as someone who is using it who is not ill.....

I know I would sooner have natures way than the chemical way...... As I have told my doctors all along the line.... If I had taken the chemical way, I would not be where I am now, I truly believe this.....

Grany Pat is a wonderful woman, and is helping many others with what she is doing..... Please Dont knock her..... Please do some research and understand...... Look at this from a different point of view..... not the conditioned one!

The woman deserves an award not a jail sentance...........

[ho1ogram]

Ok, big problem with this story now. Eating ganja very little effect on people. The digestive system is far less effecient at processing THC, so eating the equivalent of one joint has no effect on a person. The process of extracting the THC(which is the active ingredient) from wacky tabacky is so inefficient that people more frequently use shrooms to make "special brownies" and other such fun foods. Am I the only Canadian here?

Not in my experience. Ganja has had a large affect on me when I have eaten it. I have had it cakes and cookies, in pasta, as part of sauces, I've made mull butter (good on toast), I've even eaten it raw in salads. Haven't had any for years but when I did used to consume it eating it was very enjoyable. :)

[midwich cuckoo]

Eating it is in fact much better than smoking it, the effects are much better and pain relief lasts much longer, but it all depends on the cannabis being used.

Free the Weed, Plant a Seed!. :)

[myeika]

Not in my experience. Ganja has had a large affect on me when I have eaten it. I have had it cakes and cookies, in pasta, as part of sauces, I've made mull butter (good on toast), I've even eaten it raw in salads. Haven't had any for years but when I did used to consume it eating it was very enjoyable. :)


Me too.....Cooking with it is best, many of the medi people do it this way, they also use vaporisers, as many of them with asthma etc are unable to smoke it......
You will find that most times when a report in the media is done about a medi user, they will say they - "Take" "Smoke" "Use" it..... not very often is it said they use it in their cooking to help with their illness.....lordy...lordy .... now... they cant say that........for if they do, people could start to think about what other herbs and plants they use in their cooking......and start to question more..... and we all know that will never do.....

I dont know if this is ok to say, but somewhere I have a ebook that we compiled for medi users, if anyone wants a copy pm me and I will look it out for you, so that you can get just some idea of how it was used.....like all things should be, with respect and understanding!

Thats something that keeps coming to my attention more and more...... If you are able to have Respect + understanding, this then helps facilitate knowing & unconditional love!

Just muzzing my head!.........

[phoenixchilde]

Eating it is in fact much better than smoking it, the effects are much better and pain relief lasts much longer, but it all depends on the cannabis being used.

Free the Weed, Plant a Seed!. :)

Let me think about this. If you eat a joint, you don't get high. If you smoke a joint, you do get high. Which is more efficient?

By the way, let's be honest people, pot is not much more natural than what you get from the drug companies. I'm hoping that you do realize that most of the drugs you buy in a drug store are made from plants. Morphine, codine, Asparin, the active ingridients come from plants. They extract the active ingredient from the plants and add other shit(supposedly for maximum efficiency, but that's another argument) It's kind of the same thing you do when you extract the THC from pot leaves.

Also, there has been so much modification to hemp plants, that granny's hydroponics lab wasn't very natural when she started it. The original pot plants that grew in central america before the spanish conquest were very different plants than what are grown now. We're looking at the result of decades of modifications to create a plant with the maximum hallucinogenic effect.

With those two things in mind, you really can't pull the natural argument. If you want to eat some wacky tabacky, go right ahead, I say it's your choice, but you're still choosing to be dependant on a chemical. Don't lie to yourself.

[myeika]

Also, there has been so much modification to hemp plants, that granny's hydroponics lab wasn't very natural when she started it. The original pot plants that grew in central america before the spanish conquest were very different plants than what are grown now. We're looking at the result of decades of modifications to create a plant with the maximum hallucinogenic effect.


Maybe you would find it interesting to look up the information about medi weed….. Where the seeds came from and how they have been selected and germinated and shared round the world to produce the best medi strains in the world, by people who have given their freedom and life to do it…….?????!!!!!

You will find my friend that you again have been misled by conditioning, as many are…….

What granny and the other medi users all over the world use (when they are able to get it) are pure plants, germinated and grown for medical purposes….. not to get high and be a couch potato, but to give them freedom to move about and live some sort of life..…….Or to stop them feeling sick and be able to eat…. Why should she or anyone else not be allowed to use the natural plant, with out it being tampered with? With out having all sorts of c**p added to it?

[phoenixchilde]

Maybe you would find it interesting to look up the information about medi weed….. Where the seeds came from and how they have been selected and germinated and shared round the world to produce the best medi strains in the world, by people who have given their freedom and life to do it…….?????!!!!!

You will find my friend that you again have been misled by conditioning, as many are…….

What granny and the other medi users all over the world use (when they are able to get it) are pure plants, germinated and grown for medical purposes….. not to get high and be a couch potato, but to give them freedom to move about and live some sort of life..…….Or to stop them feeling sick and be able to eat…. Why should she or anyone else not be allowed to use the natural plant, with out it being tampered with? With out having all sorts of c**p added to it?

The important question is who's the one saying that these are natural, untampered with plants. Considering that it's the government that grows the "medicinal pot," and none of us are too eager to listen to the government, I'm not too likely to believe that it's a purely natural strain. Combine that with the recipients of medi-weed stating that it doesn't work as well to ease the pain as the illegal pot that they buy on the street.

BTW, hasn't britain gotten to the point yet where you can't be charged if you can prove that you're smoking up for medicinal reasons?

[phenylamine]

Some folks say that smokin herb is a crime,if they catch you smokin their bound to drop a dime.Insufferable crazy informer fools,wait with their fingers crossed for you to break the rules....
-sublime

"I'm in the mood,so get ready"

[seamus]

Some folks say that smokin herb is a crime,if they catch you smokin their bound to drop a dime.Insufferable crazy informer fools,wait with their fingers crossed for you to break the rules....
-sublime

"I'm in the mood,so get ready"

Here, phenylamine, let my kittycat hook you up.

Yes there would be no totalitarian states without informers. It reminds me of the bit where David Icke recites "the universal soldier" by donovan.


He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
Been a soldier for a thousand years.

He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.

And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.

And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.

But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put the end to war.



The same goes for informants.

s

[phenylamine]

Here in the u.s. a bill is under consideration that would make it mandatory to spy on your neighbor,including wearing a wire,with a sentence of 2 years mandatory minimum prison sentence for refusal to cooperate.This bill has been introduced several times usually inserted in other important bills,so far it has been recognized and rejected regardless of the bill its contained in.I have little doubt though,that eventually(probably sooner rather than later)they will get this bill passed.I have a complete inability to understand how people can let this happen:confused: :(

-Those who would give up essential liberties for the sake of temporary safety,deserve neither liberty nor safety-

Peace
,phenyl

[pollock]

I dont know if this one has been posted yet
http://www.grassynoel.org/