The trap bbc 2 sunday night

[deca]

I Have Just watched this, It has waken my up how the goverment militry thinks how self intrest is some how gonna free us all!!!!!!!

[deca]

Heres the review think everybody should watch this I hope somebody post it on google or youtube

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday/story/0,,2025578,00.html

[deca]

http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Trap+What+Happened+to+Our+Dream+of+Freedom

this must be watched.

[john white]

http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Trap+What+Happened+to+Our+Dream+of+Freedom

this must be watched.

it must, but not off that torrent, the file is over a Gig! LOL

[deca]

I can`t find it on google video or youtube can`t beleve nobodys uploaded it
There is a lot in this documentry I need to watch it a few times

[john white]

have you seen Adam curtis's previous series, Century of the Self?

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=century+of+the+self

[john white]

Early download:

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/03/11/18375640.php

[john white]

And a fascinating interview between Errol Morris and Adam Curtis, which discusses, amongst other things, the conspiratorial view of history

http://www.errolmorris.com/content/interview/believer0406.html

sample:

EM: Here’s a question: Are they right? And, in an even more general sense, is history primarily a history of conspiracy? Or is it just a series of blunders, one after the other? Confusions, self-deceptions, idiocies of one kind or another?

AC: It’s the latter. Where people do set out to have conspiracies, they don’t ever end up like they're supposed to. History is a series of unintended consequences resulting from confused actions, some of which are committed by people who may think they're taking part in a conspiracy, but it never works out the way they intended. For example, you could say the Gulf of Tonkin was a conspiratorial action to accelerate entry into war, yes?

EM: Here’s the conspiracy argument. The Johnson administration wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam. But they needed a pretext. And so they provoked these two incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to get Congressional approval for escalation. The claim is: they had a grand plan. And the plan was war. I’ve never had much of an appetite for conspiracy theories. Here's my argument in a nutshell. People are too much at cross purposes with each other, too stupid, too self absorbed to ever effectively conspire to do anything.

AC: “Just too self-absorbed” is the key element. To make a conspiracy work, you have to see it from all different angles to make sure the plan works. They don’t. Every time you ever read transcripts or detailed descriptions of what goes on at high level policy decisions - I'm sure it’s true of the Kennedy administration, I'm sure it’s true today in the Bush administration - The arguments, the self-absorption, the disagreements and the narcissism are incredible. And I'm sure the Gulf of Tonkin thing probably emerged as a compromise between lots of different people arguing as much as from a single, clear principle.

[sirjohnthebadji]

Early download:

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/03/11/18375640.php

Missed it on Sunday, so many thanks for the link. Watched the whole thing and felt several cramps disappearing from my internal bio-computer. Had just previously watched a programme about Prince Charles being too 'emotional and subjective', I bet he fits in somewhere. Cannot find a link to Paul Simon's 'Have a Good Day' - "paranoia strikes deep in the heartland". Cheers :)

[darkman]

i posted this up already but a good watch and i have found links to it on my last post

[sirjohnthebadji]

i posted this up already but a good watch and i have found links to it on my last post
Thanks. Brain now slightly expanded.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

They just want the people of the planet to loose faith in themselves.

To feel guilty for everything.

In the end, they will tell us all about how they controlled us, and instead of saying sorry, they will put the blame on us, for letting them be able to do so.

To tell you the truth, I agree.

[deca]

http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/190307Trap.htm