Hello, confused/frustrated!

[bwstaircase89]

Hello all!

I have recently discovered all this NWO stuff. I sat in a chair for I don't know how long just thinking about the implications of it all. I could feel the acid in my stomach raging. I could feel that familiar feeling of FEAR. That deep fear that knows what gets to you...

Anyways, I have been feeling this fear because of all the Christian NWO theories. I know that sounds dumb, but I am scared. Who is right? Is David Icke right or the Christian theorists? Because if the Christian people are right then most of humanity is going to be tortured in literal fire for ALL ETERNITY. (Presumably)

I just don't know who to trust. My heart tells me that the God who made this WONDERFULLY beautiful universe is not going to inhumanly torture most of humanity in fire. But, what if?

I hate fear. It is such a toxin.

Logic tells me that a God who tells us to love our enemies would love his enemies, not according to them. They say that all this New Age stuff the of Satan. Deep down the New Age theory seems to have the most evidence to back it up. But, then my mind works it again: What if?

I just feel so paranoid. Who can we trust? What is the truth? Who is right, who is wrong? Can I trust David? I don't know. Maybe some of you felt this way when you first discovered this stuff, i don't know. I just can't accept the Christian God. I can't believe in a God who is that sadistic. i believe that God is unconditionally loving. I base that on NDE's. Maybe I'm right...

But, if one human being can unconditionally love. Like...Ghandi. Then Ghandi would be more loving than God according to the Christians. How can a man be greater than GOD?! It doesn't add up.

Anyways, thanks for listening to me rant!

Patrick

[i_am]

Hello and welcome to our world.

It comes as quite a shock to many to discover their world is not as it seems. I don't think I ever felt that way as I always knew something wasn't quite right. As I learned more and more it was confirmation, if you like, of things I had always 'known'.

Step back when it overwhelms you and breathe. Take it in, sift it, feel it and throw out what doesn't feel right. Maybe it isn't right. maybe you are just not ready at this time for certain things.

You are not alone and we are always here if you need to ask questions or clarify anything. There is so much knowledge amongst our members and someone, somewhere will most likely have answers for you or at least point you in the right direction to find them for yourself.

Supposedly 'New Age' knowledge is not new, it is as old as time but the New Age Movement is a whole different ball game.

I believe God is Love, the universal energy. The vengeful God of religions is just a form of control of the masses.

[cruise4]

Frustration can get you at the start. This is all a bit mind-blowing. Just expect it and research through it. It IS an emotional ride and what comes next is anyone's guess.

[bwstaircase89]

Supposedly 'New Age' knowledge is not new, it is as old as time but the New Age Movement is a whole different ball game.

Yes, the Hopi Indians and the Mayans were very advanced with their Cosmic Cycle knowledge (2012).

It is just confusing you know? One side says that the New Age is evil which I think is just their defense mechanism when their beliefs are attacked. And what is all this Satanism stuff? Sorry, I am a bit confused. When they say Satanists do they mean the ppl that worship the reptilian people or like the Church of Satan people? I read somewhere that they worship those reptilian aliens. This stuff is all very scary.

I am going to get some sleep (or try) and talk to you all in the morning.

Thank you,

Patrick

[oiram]

Hello all!

I have recently discovered all this NWO stuff. I sat in a chair for I don't know how long just thinking about the implications of it all. I could feel the acid in my stomach raging. I could feel that familiar feeling of FEAR. That deep fear that knows what gets to you...

Anyways, I have been feeling this fear because of all the Christian NWO theories. I know that sounds dumb, but I am scared. Who is right? Is David Icke right or the Christian theorists? Because if the Christian people are right then most of humanity is going to be tortured in literal fire for ALL ETERNITY. (Presumably)

I just don't know who to trust. My heart tells me that the God who made this WONDERFULLY beautiful universe is not going to inhumanly torture most of humanity in fire. But, what if?

I hate fear. It is such a toxin.

Logic tells me that a God who tells us to love our enemies would love his enemies, not according to them. They say that all this New Age stuff the of Satan. Deep down the New Age theory seems to have the most evidence to back it up. But, then my mind works it again: What if?

I just feel so paranoid. Who can we trust? What is the truth? Who is right, who is wrong? Can I trust David? I don't know. Maybe some of you felt this way when you first discovered this stuff, i don't know. I just can't accept the Christian God. I can't believe in a God who is that sadistic. i believe that God is unconditionally loving. I base that on NDE's. Maybe I'm right...

But, if one human being can unconditionally love. Like...Ghandi. Then Ghandi would be more loving than God according to the Christians. How can a man be greater than GOD?! It doesn't add up.

Anyways, thanks for listening to me rant!

Patrick
Welcome to the real World!
Don't worry you are on the right way to find out about the real truth of our past and present situation!
You are confused & sceptical that's good because it's the part which naturally protects you and your spirit!
You are correct in saying you don’t know who to trust, but there is one person you can trust which is your self! Don’t have fear because fear is the tool Evil uses to control you and many others!
You don’t know who to trust that’s a good sign; now is the time for you to sit down take a deep breath and start reading more from various sources related to this subject! Then you try to activate you God given personal logic and ask your self if what you reading could be the real thing!
I will put it very bluntly because the reality is hard to accept! Since we born the leaders and powerful people in this world including the Pope “Vatican” manipulated everything what has to do with education, history and the original Scriptures which created are Bible!
If you read part of the Bible you have to use your own personal logic to filter out the parts which do not make sense and contradicting them self’s! Also most of the Churches in this world have been corrupted by the highest Church Power the “Vatican!”
You just keep reading on the subject and you may catch on quick!
You have you base line already don’t trust anyone don’t use you emotions and feeling to work out what is going on use you God given logic to evaluate and filter!
In my case I already broken through all these barriers of feeling and emotions to find the truth about are reality!

To give you a base line I say what you are confused about; is reality and it is up to us to fix this problem with our combined spirits, love, logic and knowledge!

[oiram]

Yes, the Hopi Indians and the Mayans were very advanced with their Cosmic Cycle knowledge (2012).2007 is 2012 (http://www.greatdreams.com/2007_is_2012.htm)
It is just confusing you know? One side says that the New Age is evil which I think is just their defense mechanism when their beliefs are attacked. And what is all this Satanism stuff? Sorry, I am a bit confused. When they say Satanists do they mean the ppl that worship the reptilian people or like the Church of Satan people? I read somewhere that they worship those reptilian aliens. This stuff is all very scary.
I am going to get some sleep (or try) and talk to you all in the morning.
Thank you,
Patrick
This helped me to make sense of most things! Maybe for starters try to see the description symbolically not literally!
Eagle = USA “Government”
Satanist = Power over others, Playing God "Vatican Pope (http://www.exposingsatanism.org/illuminati-vatican-connection.htm)", SKULL & BONES (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/skull_and_bones_exposed.htm),Manipulating Historical writing, sacrificing Humans for there own Evil agenda "Wars", people not respecting the basic moral Human Laws “Ten Commandments”
Anunnaki Followers (http://galactic2.net/KJOLE/NCCA/anunnaki.html) = 13 Bloodlines, (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm) Papacy (http://www.illuminati-news.com/secret-societies-nwo.htm), 666, (http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/antichrist.html), SKULL & BONES Members (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm) Secret Government (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=186971), Illuminati, (http://www.illuminati-news.com/) The Godfathers of the NWO plan (http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/), CIA (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mcsvaliinterviewpt5.shtml), CFR (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm), UN (http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagendabestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml), Neocons (http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/0304a.htm)…….
Evil = Lying, stealing, manipulating, control over others, murdering others to cover-up, corruption, 9/11 (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=75)
True Light = Personal Freedom, Truth, Honesty, Respect, Love, Clean Logic, anti violence, compassion for others, living by Gods words the “Ten Commandments”
Armageddon = The time when the separation occurs from the Good people ”True Light” & the Bad people “Dark Light”

Do you love the truth then you are in love with Gods words, live by & protect the “Ten Commandments” then God loves you and all which live in the ”True Light”!
But should you be in love with money & power over others, Papacy, Wars, Bush, the Church, the Pope, lying, MSM (http://www.speak.ca/forum/view_topic.php?id=45&forum_id=20&page=30), corruption, manipulation, rhetoric, hypocrites, politics, CIA, CFR, UN, Neocons …… then you either in love with Satan or controlled by the Satanists! “The Dark Light”
This Site also opened my eyes!
http://www.henrymakow.com/archives.html

Here you can see how some People corrupted the Bible to manipulate us all! = This is blasphemy!
The Uncorrupted Revelation as Experienced by John the Divine
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/revelations.html

2007 is 2012 (http://www.greatdreams.com/2007_is_2012.htm)

Is The Bible The Devil's Tool
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/is_bible_devils_tool.html

WELCOME TO PACIFIC INSTITUTE AND TO SOME ASTOUNDING BIBLE PROPHECY
http://www.pacinst.com/index.htm

This is the way I Translated things to help me understand!
You old-timers are welcome to correct me and add to the symbolic code list!

I love predictions coming true
White Dove from the East flying over oceans wide and deep.
A silver lining is cast over the sea of sparkling lights.
In a split moment, all is peace.

No matter what you see or hear,
Your heart will know the truth.
Feel the bubbling of the dancing light within you.
And let your being be absorbed into the power of the Source.

Your smiles shall be big, your laughter healing and open.
All things shall be made new.
The light within shall open up to merge with the Great Light of True Love, Power and Purity.

The time is come, the Ship is near.
It is almost time to leave the dregs behind
And enter into the Great Light.
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/crazy_gods.html

[halebox]

Just keep reading dont get frustrated and write it off. You are here for a reason. There are lots of truths here but also disinformation. Check different sites all over the net and you will see many common themes going on. My dads been telling me all this stuff for years and I didnt want to listen. I finally stumbled onto Dr. Deagle clips on google and that began my journey. The message you will hear alot and must not forget is to not live in fear and love all and you will be helping the cause.

[arrowwind]

There is a ton of stuff to read. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone says that they are right, that they are in the light.

You must find a way to find your own light, your own consciousness, your own connection to truth.

When you have found the seeds of love and compassion in your own heart and you have opened your gate to your own soul then all this diatribe is seen for what it is , illusion built upon illusion.

There is only one directing force towards truth and that is love and compassion. Those elements that do not promote love and compassion are the ones to turn from.

That there are evil forces on the planet is nothing new. Shocking when first realized. But it is the nature of the third dimension. It is your playground and school for learning. Play well.

[bwstaircase89]

I have been to some questionable sites such as:

http://sherryshriner.com/

Her site uses alot of fear-based tactics to get you to convert and believe in Yesushua (she spells it differently than Yeshua) She also calls Paul a false apostle and this guy on YouTube OWNED her for it.

She has plans to make this orgone blaster thing to kill the satanic aliens!

This site:

http://www.pacinst.com/

Argues that the earth is Young which contradicts 99% of all science (maybe not that much, but alot) and says that carbon dating doesn't work past Noah's flood. Alright, if eight people really survived after the great flood and repopulated the world, I'll eat my hat.

There are tons of contradictions to science in the Bible. I am not hostile to the Bible or Christians, I just feel the need to prove them wrong. But, it is hypocritical: Love your enemies and do good to them that curse you. Then, "Depart ye cursed into everlasting fire!" Wow, God loves his enemies!

Not to mention that there is a great amount of evidence that Hell as described in the Bible is not eternal. The word Aionios means age-abiding and not eternal.

Check this site out for info on that: http://www.bible-truths.com

Peace,

Pat

[bigus_dickus]

I just don't know who to trust. My heart tells me that the God who made this WONDERFULLY beautiful universe is not going to inhumanly torture most of humanity in fire. But, what if?

[...]

I just feel so paranoid. Who can we trust? What is the truth? Who is right, who is wrong? Can I trust David? I don't know. Maybe some of you felt this way when you first discovered this stuff, i don't know. I just can't accept the Christian God. I can't believe in a God who is that sadistic. i believe that God is unconditionally loving. I base that on NDE's. Maybe I'm right...


we can trust God.

[blue]

we can trust God.

which God?

[bigus_dickus]

which God?

the first one.

[octopusrex]

"I hate fear, it's such a toxin".

Dude. Hate is also a toxin.

[bwstaircase89]

Hate is the greatest toxin known to man!

I am not that worried about who is right anymore, I will follow my heart. Two choices, Fear or Love. I choose love every time because it feels right. The Illumnati use fear to control, correct? That is what religions do with Hell, they use it to control!

I am watching Dr. Deagle's videos right now on YouTube, if you haven't seen them do your self a favor and watch them! I have also been reading articles on the Illumnati News website, I like the guy that runs it. He takes a spiritual approach to it all and says that we don't need to worry about fighting NWO in the physical. We need to remember that we are not our body and they can't kill the REAL us.

Peace,

Pat

[oiram]

I have been to some questionable sites such as:
http://sherryshriner.com/
http://www.pacinst.com/
Argues that the earth is Young which contradicts 99% of all science (maybe not that much, but alot) and says that carbon dating doesn't work past Noah's flood. Alright, if eight people really survived after the great flood and repopulated the world, I'll eat my hat.

There are tons of contradictions to science in the Bible. I am not hostile to the Bible or Christians, I just feel the need to prove them wrong.
Check this site out for info on that: http://www.bible-truths.com
Peace,
Pat

It is a personal thing one site talks to you and others are to heavy!
I found this page interesting talking about John the Divine and the corruption and add ons to his writing
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/revelations.html

[oiram]

which God?
The one which talks to you ones you cracked the code; this code also enables you to filter out the truth which is hidden in the lies of our artificial Reality!
Actually he was talking about the ones which will not receive the international code for the Hotline connection because most people will remain blocked in there minds & hards!
You see God is our absolute true father holding the absolute truth & he is aware that only his "true light" people will be able to crack the code that's why he clearly stated that Satan & his Evil followers will lose the final Armageddon confrontation!
You like to know the code?
But there is also a clear instruction given to us saying; don't give the code to the evil ones because they will try to corrupt the code like they did for the last 3500 years! So the true light people this time will follow this instruction for self-preservation because the reward is to valuable to put in risk this time for the final Armageddon confrontation!
You see ones you find this special first code Key all "true light" people are able to recognise each other!

But the fact is God supplied every Human on this earth with the ability to find this code but you have to find this first code Key your self then all other "true light" people & God have meetings to continue with the detail training for the final Armageddon confrontation!

So "member blue" if you like to join the "true light" people and like to join the meetings you got to search harder!
OK!! I just ask him and we are aloud to give you this Hint; search for the original Ten Commandments then find the truth internal & external and you should end up with the first code Key! Ones you found the Key you will be able to identify the "true light" persons on the Web giving you more true inside knowledge and instructions!

Read all of this and your lights will flicker on & off!
This should gives you the inside of the start of all Brainwashing! These bastards!
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/revelations.html
Verse 3:8 I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Verse 3:8 is about resisting Darkness, with a portion of it being an add-on. The reason no man can shut the “door” is explained thus:

. . .Why is Darkness unable to simply take spirits from True-Light beings? This is because one’s Will cannot be taken by force, even by a being as powerful as Darkness. One’s Will is a part of the True Creator that nothing else can remove, save by the freewill choice of the “owner” to relinquish it . . . This freewill acts like a doorway to which only the “owner” has the key. It is this key, so to speak, that Darkness seeks to obtain via deception, programming, traps and other evil mechanisms so that It can eventually possess the Will. A True-Light being’s Will is their most precious blueprint. This Will is impervious to Darkness UNLESS it is handed over to the Devil (Darkness)
I only search for one more missing link; Who created or played with the original Koran which appeared 6oo years later!
Please anyone got info on this! By my logic I am sure they played with the Koran also!
Here we go I Found one: How the Vatican created Islam
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/744/48/
"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:
'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.
'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.
'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.
'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

[blue]

the first one.

first one....whats the name of the first god.

[bigus_dickus]

first one....whats the name of the first god.

Bigus :)

[kriss_crow]

LISTENING
Anthony de Mello,

"Every word,
every image
used for God
is a distortion
more than a
description."

"Then how
does one
speak of God?"

"Through Silence."

"Why, then, do you
speak in words?"

At that
the Master
laughed uproariously.
He said,
"When I speak,
you mustn't listen
to the words,
my dear.
Listen to
the Silence."

I know who de Mello was, but his books with short stories,
tales inspired me for long time, they lived within me. I don't consider myself as a Christian and I never did, although this guy showed me different ways of experiencing God.

[seer74]

Hello all!

I have recently discovered all this NWO stuff. I sat in a chair for I don't know how long just thinking about the implications of it all. I could feel the acid in my stomach raging. I could feel that familiar feeling of FEAR. That deep fear that knows what gets to you...

Anyways, I have been feeling this fear because of all the Christian NWO theories. I know that sounds dumb, but I am scared. Who is right? Is David Icke right or the Christian theorists? Because if the Christian people are right then most of humanity is going to be tortured in literal fire for ALL ETERNITY. (Presumably)

I just don't know who to trust. My heart tells me that the God who made this WONDERFULLY beautiful universe is not going to inhumanly torture most of humanity in fire. But, what if?

I hate fear. It is such a toxin.

Logic tells me that a God who tells us to love our enemies would love his enemies, not according to them. They say that all this New Age stuff the of Satan. Deep down the New Age theory seems to have the most evidence to back it up. But, then my mind works it again: What if?

I just feel so paranoid. Who can we trust? What is the truth? Who is right, who is wrong? Can I trust David? I don't know. Maybe some of you felt this way when you first discovered this stuff, i don't know. I just can't accept the Christian God. I can't believe in a God who is that sadistic. i believe that God is unconditionally loving. I base that on NDE's. Maybe I'm right...

But, if one human being can unconditionally love. Like...Ghandi. Then Ghandi would be more loving than God according to the Christians. How can a man be greater than GOD?! It doesn't add up.

Anyways, thanks for listening to me rant!

Patrick

I tend to think the truth falls somewhere in between. As for god's nature, I say god is love and if anybody would ever torture you, it would be the reptilians, with a WHOLE lotta help from YOU! Relax, everything is MUCH worse; AND MUCH BETTER than we can even imagine. Try to let it flow through you, like water :D

[octopusrex]

first one....whats the name of the first god.

Names?

I'd go with Krsna. Because I dig his stories.

Sounds?

Om.

Your heart-chakra will tell you.