subliminals in Apocalypto

[father ted]

I had just watched "Apocalypto" and there's a scene where the leading character finds himself in an area full of dumped corpses. For a split second, you see something that's different, though you can't make out what it is.
If you're counting from the time when the caption first appears in the movie (to start the movie), it's about 1 hour, 31 mins and 9 secs in the movie. It's a bit obvious if you're aware but you won't know what it is.

I paused the movie right at that moment and here's what I got:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/122/vlcsnap70525jd1.th.png (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap70525jd1.png)

That's creepy. What is Wally, from "Where's Wally" fame doing in such a movie? Was there a contest or something? But then why would they put that in such a serious movie?

Well, I found him!

at about a second before that frame, here's a snapshot I did:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4365/vlcsnap69780gu3.th.png (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap69780gu3.png)

This is the scene where the guy stumbles upon the dumped corpses as he is being chased. Look at the picture, do you think there are any subliminals there? I can see a wierd looking face in there, but there might be more.;)

[tru3]

That's creepy. What is Wally, from "Where's Wally" fame doing in such a movie? Was there a contest or something? But then why would they put that in such a serious movie?

hey ted,

i haven't seen the movie. don't plan to see it. the jaguar priests were sick fucks, that's all i need to know. i'm sure mel is attempting to spin it into a tale of redemption with the arrival of christianity, but please, spare me! :rolleyes:

so, if i understand you, there's a shot of a field of corpses, and there is a subliminal of waldo, then back to the field. do i have it correct?

if so, then i would say yes, definitely, there's a "hook" in this image! think about it: when did waldo ever carry an umbrella? it looks like a barber pole to me, the way the stripes twisted into a spiral shape. the origin of the barber pole is the caduceus, which is in turn a map of the human energy system.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14608&postcount=2

how about this?

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/IMZ/IMZ102/csh0069.jpg

this kind of harks back to what we were talking about in the number 23. so, what i'm seeing is an energetic hook that is intended to focus our attention on the corpses, for what i'm sure is some nefarious purpose. :mad:

good catch, fadda ted!

[mitch_lane]

tru3 wrote:

hey ted,

i haven't seen the movie. don't plan to see it. the jaguar priests were sick fucks, that's all i need to know. i'm sure mel is attempting to spin it into a tale of redemption with the arrival of christianity, but please, spare me

quite the reverse: it's not about the High Priests of the Maya or Christians but about those in between who follow natural laws and if you bother to watch -rather than criticise from a position of lack of knowledge- you may find the end rather startling ( not to mention the eclipse scene where the High Priests and the Kingship definitely shows hidden knowledge).

[oneofmany]

I just checked my version and He's definitly there, Why would Mel "sick fuck" Gibson whack Wally in the image? A Wally with bell bottom pants no less. I missed this first time around, Thanks Ted

[tru3]

tru3 wrote:



quite the reverse: it's not about the High Priests of the Maya or Christians but about those in between who follow natural laws and if you bother to watch -rather than criticise from a position of lack of knowledge- you may find the end rather startling ( not to mention the eclipse scene where the High Priests and the Kingship definitely shows hidden knowledge).

actually, i stand behind that statement. based on the accounts i have read, the jaguar priests emerged out of the rebellion against the female goddess in mu and atlantis. they are a mutated offshoot, not aligned with the true spirit of this cosmology. no doubt the knowledge is hidden, for a very good reason; if people knew how long this predatory hunger has been with mankind, as a parasitic energetic reaction formation, they would slough off the fog of fear and control, as the toltecs did.

i refer you to a much more authentic account of the jaguar priests, written by miguel ruiz, an actual toltec shaman. please refer to the following link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJzNmReS-SEC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=miguel+ruiz+jaguar+priests&source=web&ots=YwSdGbOiCd&sig=ZDHU9_D0KOtK2fvZB12SHGuZOsU#PPP1,M1

now scroll down about 9 pages. "the jaguar knights were the worst black magicians the world has ever known. they turned questzacoatl into a demon." it's the same operative the world round: fear and control. it's the misuse of people's very essence against them. it is a desecration, an abomination, and it's happening all over the world, right now.

hey, this is just one man's opinion, but i'm going with the authentic shaman over mel gibson.

[oneofmany]

actually, i stand behind that statement. based on the accounts i have read, the jaguar priests emerged out of the rebellion against the female goddess in mu and atlantis. they are a mutated offshoot, not aligned with the true spirit of this cosmology. no doubt the knowledge is hidden, for a very good reason; if people knew how long this predatory hunger has been with mankind, as a parasitic energetic reaction formation, they would slough off the fog of fear and control, as the toltecs did.

i refer you to a much more authentic account of the jaguar priests, written by miguel ruiz, an actual toltec shaman. please refer to the following link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJzNmReS-SEC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=miguel+ruiz+jaguar+priests&source=web&ots=YwSdGbOiCd&sig=ZDHU9_D0KOtK2fvZB12SHGuZOsU#PPP1,M1

now scroll down about 9 pages. "the jaguar knights were the worst black magicians the world has ever known. they turned questzacoatl into a demon." it's the same operative the world round: fear and control. it's the misuse of people's very essence against them. it is a desecration, an abomination, and it's happening all over the world, right now.

hey, this is just one man's opinion, but i'm going with the authentic shaman over mel gibson.It's not about the jaguar priests at all. It's about a tribe that gets captured by them and one mans attempt of escape to rescue his family.

[mitch_lane]

tru3 wrote:

actually, i stand behind that statement. based on the accounts i have read

I'm taking that you are talking about accounts of the actual history of these religions and not the story of the film?

what I tried to indicate to you before was that the protagonists are not involved in ritualistic sacrificial practices but follow a natural, pagan, path if you like and it is the collision of these natural forest dwellers and the high forms of ritual magic/worship that is a large part of this film: plus it's a great chase movie.
I just think that you may be misunderstanding what this film is about and, anyway, I find that criticising something that you haven't seen or read a little bizarre. But I guess if you are never going to see it you will never actually know: feel free to carry on and criticise blindly.

[tru3]

tru3 wrote:



I just think that you may be misunderstanding what this film is about and, anyway, I find that criticising something that you haven't seen or read a little bizarre. But I guess if you are never going to see it you will never actually know: feel free to carry on and criticise blindly.

yes. you made that point earlier. thank you for sharing. i'm sure the names have been changed to protect the innocent. the oppression exists under an unending list of names. you have your interpretation, i have mine. i always consider the source. i'm sorry if i blurred the line there, but based on this evidence that i've put forth and that ted has captured on screenshots, this is some kind of manipulation. and do you honestly believe this is the only instance, out of all the films ever made? it's a vehicle to link human consciousness into the experience of human sacrifice on a non-verbal, subconscious level, imv. i personally don't care whether you buy my argument one iota; i'm just sharing the information i'm familiar with. you find this whole exchange bizarre, but you didn't challenge the evidence i put forth. go to the webpage, read the passage, and judge for yourself.

the bottom line for me is: i have no plans to see this movie. not that anyone else should or shouldn't; just me. i don't know how much clearer i can make it: i'm not exposing consciousness to that shite. it's a choice, not a condemnation.

[mitch_lane]

tru3 wrote ( in no particular order):

...ted has captured on screenshots, this is some kind of manipulation

well, surely, all films- and art of any sort- is a manipulation; you don't have to go into any conspiracy area to understand this. Art is supposed to effect emotions, other wise, it's pretty pointless. Of course there may well be a hidden hand at work here which could well call for a closer look but that is true of many films: do you not watch movies at all?.

...you have your interpretation, i have mine
True, but at least my interpretation is based upon actually seeing the item whose interpretation is in question. It is good to have the power to interpret by osmosis I suppose. ( and by the way I haven't given an in depth interpretation: just responded, in a surface way, to your surface judgements).

it's a vehicle to link human consciousness into the experience of human sacrifice on a non-verbal, subconscious leve

The film actually, viscerally, demonstrates the abject horror and awfulness of human sacrifice and the decadence and the decay that that leads to. Indeed, one of the underlying points of the film is that the society that considered itself "civilised" had not realised how debased it had become and that this was leading to its own destruction: timely, I would have thought, but once again I suppose that you were somehow aware of these motiffs within the film without having seen it. I'd envy your power if only it did not make one so blinkered.

...you find this whole exchange bizarre, but you didn't challenge the evidence i put forth. go to the webpage, read the passage, and judge for yourself.

the bottom line for me is: i have no plans to see this movie.

and you find no contradiction in those words?.

I'll repeat your line: "...go to the webpage, read the passage, and judge for yourself."

I think that is what I have been suggesting that you do with the movie.

[tru3]

and you find no contradiction in those words?.

I'll repeat your line: "...go to the webpage, read the passage, and judge for yourself."

I think that is what I have been suggesting that you do with the movie.

no. i find no contradiction; if there is, it's one i can live with. "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind"- thoreau. it's a choice, based on the information i have now. i choose not to step out an open window, just to get the "experience" of falling five stories. maybe i could fly, but i'd rather not test that particular belief just now, thank you. i don't study qabbalah, because i choose not to expose myself to it. i'm not condemning madonna because she studies it, i'm just not studying it myself.

obviously it's bizarre to you, and it's ok. i've been called bizarre before. i trust my source. i have worked with his material. it resonates. i don't have to experience the horrors of war to understand that on some level, war is bad. why does my choice stick in your craw so bad? the world is full of fools, and i could be one. you're proving it doesn't make me any wiser, does it?

so we agree to disagree with respect to this thread. we can continue to beat a dead horse, or we can move on.

[oneofmany]

no. i i choose not to step out an open window, just to get the "experience" of falling five stories. maybe i could fly, but i'd rather not test that particular belief just now, thank you.

Why don't you try to take off from the ground? If you can't fly, there's at least no thud when you land :D:D

just a thought!:eek:

[tru3]

Why don't you try to take off from the ground? If you can't fly, there's at least no thud when you land :D:D

just a thought!:eek:


that thud would be my head. :confused:

[oneofmany]

that thud would be my head. :confused:That's why I suggest the ground takeoff. Landing from the fifth floor would really smart, unless you got the hang of flying as your falling at around ten metres a second that is.

[mitch_lane]

tru3 wrote:

...it's a choice, based on the information i have now. i choose not to step out an open window, just to get the "experience" of falling five stories

but what if there is a balcony outside that window?. you could then step outside and your view of the world would be increased. you don't have to just step out, you could look, expand your knowledge.

...i don't have to experience the horrors of war to understand that on some level, war is bad.

but you, at some point, must have aquired that knowledge, through second hand means presumably: was that through films or books or other media- through some form of art?.

...why does my choice stick in your craw so bad?

it doesn't: your critcism of something that you have no direct knowledge of does.

Apocalypto is about spirituality, family, love- man's connection to nature, the encroachment of so called civilisation, the decay of so called civilisation: it speaks to the time that we are living in now.
Those are all my interpretations of this film and they may be correct or I may be in error but they are made through examining the material at hand; ie, I watched the film before making my mind up about it.

[father ted]

I just checked my version and He's definitly there, Why would Mel "sick fuck" Gibson whack Wally in the image? A Wally with bell bottom pants no less. I missed this first time around, Thanks Ted

That's good to know, thanks for checking. I thought, because it was a little obvious, there might be a chance that other versions might have taken it out. Maybe in the DVD version, we'll see what happens.

[father ted]

Tru3, I never thought about the umbrella representing a caduceus. That makes a lot of sense. (although it looks like an unbrella to me) But what about the person being there? I wonder who "Wally" ("Waldo" to the Americans) really is?

An interestig thing, that person wasn't digitally added onto the scene, or afterwards, or anything like that, he was there as they were shooting the movie! Who ever was shooting the film at that time would have done this deliberatelly. Not to mention, all the extras that were there would have known. I'm sure Mel was there too, he's the director! Maybe they did it behind his back, but he would have noticed later on.

[tru3]

Tru3, I never thought about the umbrella representing a caduceus. That makes a lot of sense. (although it looks like an unbrella to me) But what about the person being there? I wonder who "Wally" ("Waldo" to the Americans) really is?

An interestig thing, that person wasn't digitally added onto the scene, or afterwards, or anything like that, he was there as they were shooting the movie! Who ever was shooting the film at that time would have done this deliberatelly. Not to mention, all the extras that were there would have known. I'm sure Mel was there too, he's the director! Maybe they did it behind his back, but he would have noticed later on.

i really can't say for sure, obviously, but it's a damn good question. if it was planned, it was planned with intention. i doubt any detail was left to chance.

as for the umbrella, it struck me as looking like a barber pole. i made the connection from there. maybe it is just an umbrella, but the whole thing is just so dissonant as to suspect everything about it.

[tru3]

it doesn't: your critcism of something that you have no direct knowledge of does.

"A path is only a path, and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary. Then ask yourself alone, one question. Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't it is of no use." - carlos casteneda

so, this particular path has no heart for me. see you around the forum.

[father ted]

Either way, it more than likely represents a caduceus. Your comment got me thinking about barber poles and things like that that have red and white swirls, interesting. Also, it could represent a twister, like the twister they use for mind control programing. Doesn't Mary Poppins have that sort of umbrella? or the other guy in that movie. I think you see that sort of unbrella a lot.

[oneofmany]

Either way, it more than likely represents a caduceus. Your comment got me thinking about barber poles and things like that that have red and white swirls, interesting. Also, it could represent a twister, like the twister they use for mind control programing. Doesn't Mary Poppins have that sort of umbrella? or the other guy in that movie. I think you see that sort of unbrella a lot.or it could represent the ying yang duality concept

[oneofmany]

also nobody has mentioned the arrow going through wally's head. Mr Gibson is one sick puppy

[klinker]

So does anyone have an idea of what this subliminal means?

[oneofmany]

So does anyone have an idea of what this subliminal means?I think that Mel finds this funny IMO, Wally in a pile of corpses, only a sick man thinks of these things. As for meaning, well, It could all be the sick game of a sick individual, or it could say "can you find yourself in this pile of corpses" or it could mean nothing at all. Maybe it means that Wally really is everywhere, I don't know

PS.... I like the Guy Fawkes mask. Have you seen V for vendetta?

[klinker]

PS.... I like the Guy Fawkes mask. Have you seen V for vendetta?

Indeed I have seen it. Several times in fact hence the V mask purchase. A great message to the masses but sadly it went over most peoples heads. :rolleyes:

[oneofmany]

Indeed I have seen it. Several times in fact hence the V mask purchase. A great message to the masses but sadly it went over most peoples heads. :rolleyes:Indeed

[father ted]

I'm gonna try to find out what "Where's Wally" is all about. I remember in the cartoon, he was allways going through a portal and into other worlds. This might have something to do with mind controll.

[klinker]

I'm gonna try to find out what "Where's Wally" is all about. I remember in the cartoon, he was allways going through a portal and into other worlds. This might have something to do with mind controll.

Cool.

[thirdwave]

I think the film is briliant..saw it last night....I was a bit skeptical seeing as it was a Mel Gibbson film who is very inspired by the religious side of things...

but it does not seem to be inspired by any religious view this film......

some parts of the film are really really dark and these evil Mayans worshiped a "god" called Kukukahn and they used to sacrifice thousands of people in his name by ripping out their hearts and cutting their heads off..... the true Mayans were peace loving and very spiritually tuned.... but these others who where obsessed with kukukahn and were completely lost with ethics...

the story outside of this film is kukukahn came down and then left, and this triggered off this screwed up bunch... weather kukukahn was evil or good we don't know...

[oneofmany]

I think the film is briliant..saw it last night....I was a bit skeptical seeing as it was a Mel Gibbson film who is very inspired by the religious side of things...

but it does not seem to be inspired by any religious view this film......

some parts of the film are really really dark and these evil Mayans worshiped a "god" called Kukukahn and they used to sacrifice thousands of people in his name by ripping out their hearts and cutting their heads off..... the true Mayans were peace loving and very spiritually tuned.... but these others who where obsessed with kukukahn and were completely lost with ethics...

the story outside of this film is kukukahn came down and then left, and this triggered off this screwed up bunch... weather kukukahn was evil or good we don't know...from what Iv'e read, they were ritually sacraficing everybody they could to stave off the end of the world which they predicted would be 2012

[father ted]

I think the film is briliant..saw it last night....I was a bit skeptical seeing as it was a Mel Gibbson film who is very inspired by the religious side of things...

but it does not seem to be inspired by any religious view this film......

some parts of the film are really really dark and these evil Mayans worshiped a "god" called Kukukahn and they used to sacrifice thousands of people in his name by ripping out their hearts and cutting their heads off..... the true Mayans were peace loving and very spiritually tuned.... but these others who where obsessed with kukukahn and were completely lost with ethics...

the story outside of this film is kukukahn came down and then left, and this triggered off this screwed up bunch... weather kukukahn was evil or good we don't know...

I agree, it was a pretty good film surprisingly, though it only needed to be about an hour long. It was a relief that there weren't any christian connotations to it, at least none that I know of consiously (appart from the end where the sailors/europeans are shown carrying the cross, although they, and the scene, were portrayed as "this is not a good thing", and they were portrayed as rather evil).

...so, how does Wally fit into all this?

I think kukukahn might have been a reptillian and was responsible for these psychopaths and the rituals, sounds familliar. I think kukukahn means "penis king" though that's not the official translaition, is it? Penis king, where have I heard that before?

[thirdwave]

from what Iv'e read, they were ritually sacraficing everybody they could to stave off the end of the world which they predicted would be 2012


interesting, why would they think it would help, thats the question....

[thirdwave]

I agree, it was a pretty good film surprisingly, though it only needed to be about an hour long. It was a relief that there weren't any christian connotations to it, at least none that I know of consiously (appart from the end where the sailors/europeans are shown carrying the cross, although they, and the scene, were portrayed as "this is not a good thing", and they were portrayed as rather evil).

...so, how does Wally fit into all this?

I think kukukahn might have been a reptillian and was responsible for these psychopaths and the rituals, sounds familliar. I think kukukahn means "penis king" though that's not the official translaition, is it? Penis king, where have I heard that before?



well if people are ripping out human heart in the name of someone you got to think that someone is either an arse hole or has been very much misunderstood...

as for the Wally thing, that is interesting.. but it could just be the editors having a laugh.... even Mel might have left it as its like one of those things that some people like doing as a little signature... but who knows....

it does show you how easy it is to stick stuff in there and if the maybe our brains can pick up on more than our eyes can....

[father ted]

interesting, why would they think it would help, thats the question....

I found that fascinating. I have heard that evil acts in rituals, sacrifices, or just anything evil, done on energy grids, lowers the Earth's vibration.

With regards to trying to stop what will happen in 2012, this makes sense. The reptillians also want to do this, so that they could come into our world, or visa versa. The Earth is moving towards a higher frequency and they're are trying to stop this by lowering the frequency.

[thirdwave]

I found that fascinating. I have heard that evil acts in rituals, sacrifices, or just anything evil, done on energy grids, lowers the Earth's vibration.

With regards to trying to stop what will happen in 2012, this makes sense. The reptillians also want to do this, so that they could come into our world, or visa versa. The Earth is moving towards a higher frequency and they're are trying to stop this by lowering the frequency.

mmm that does make sence and would not shock me...

I went to Wiltshire once to camp out and check out some crop circles.... the whole place is so high energy out there, we went a an old church and looked around, it was right on a lay line and it very much had the old symbolism linked with Christianity... even had real barbed wire rapped about the wooden cross hung up... was something very creepy about the place, I had the feeling that rituals may well have been done there...

i think this kukulkan guy was a nasty bit of work.... and I think he manipulated certain groups of the Mayans to create the energy he wanted

its simple enough for me...the loving mayans were all about building up there people and and building up a peaceful village.... where these evil ones built everything around kukulkan...

[oneofmany]

I found that fascinating. I have heard that evil acts in rituals, sacrifices, or just anything evil, done on energy grids, lowers the Earth's vibration.

With regards to trying to stop what will happen in 2012, this makes sense. The reptillians also want to do this, so that they could come into our world, or visa versa. The Earth is moving towards a higher frequency and they're are trying to stop this by lowering the frequency.

Bingo! This is my way of thinking, and when I read about the Mayans trying to stop the end of the world, the penny dropped on the whole reptilian thing for me, i mean I knew it was real. I had just watched a David Icke doco talking about the rise in vibration the world is going through and the true reasons behind reptilian ritual sacrafice, It all sort of just clicked, and when I read you've come up with the same conclusions, I bloody near fell off my chair.

[klinker]

Yes very interesting. I read something elsewhere that prisons across the USA where the death penalty is still carried out are on ley lines. I've not researched this.

[father ted]

Tsarion explains that wars are ritual sacrifice as well. That is one of the reasons why soldiers wear uniforms with certain symbols on them. It is noted that when you look back at wars, especially the famous ones, they occurred on laylines. No wonder why the illuminati don't do so well when it comes to guerrilla (guera= ancient germanic for sabotage) warfare.

Also interesting as to why the sacrifice victims of those mayans were painted blue. The scottish that the movie "Braveheart" depicted, fought those wars painted blue. Sacrifice victims.

[thirdwave]

so really the sacrifice is nothing more than an deliberate evil act, just to feed that negative energy.... the people are used to inflict the evil upon.

nice chaps.

[tru3]

so really the sacrifice is nothing more than an deliberate evil act, just to feed that negative energy.... the people are used to inflict the evil upon.

nice chaps.

bingo! and, if my theory is correct, despite all the litey lovey things in the movie (which i in fact agree with the idea of encroaching civilization, etc.; that's just not the purpose of this movie, imv), this movie is about hooking consciousness into a field of corpses and the like.


Yes very interesting. I read something elsewhere that prisons across the USA where the death penalty is still carried out are on ley lines. I've not researched this.

it wouldn't surprise me one bit. if you believe half of what icke writes, there is a reason catholic cathedrals are built on the grid: they are designed, imo, to clog the earth grid with psychic goo. on one major grid point in chad, i believe it is, they have built a massive radioactive waste processing plant. it's like they're trying to give gaia a massive black majik enema! i know that's a really nasty analogy, but this is nasty stuff. sorry! :(

make sure to look for the "fire up the grid" thread. i'm planning to participate, and i think it's something we can all do to assist the planet in her healing and evolution.

[thirdwave]

this movie is about hooking consciousness into a field of corpses and the like.





mm I thought the same about "Passion of the Christ" you feel drained afterwards...although for me it was just more evidence of how that believe is fear based, I think its down to how awake you are to it all.... if you are open to the view you have then you can see the film as art and control the effect it has on you see it how you want to... if you are blind to how that stuff works and also blind to the real deal behind the sacrificing and so on then the movie may well play a part as a programing tool for negativity....

although I do like the way the film was not done all fake.... they didn't do cart wheels and catch arrows in their mouth .... no one was super human, it was just a guy who bloody went for it.... it was done to be very life like, but still edge of the seat stuff....

I don't want to say to much for people who have not seen it but i thought the ending was very relevant of today and what we may experience when our world is in a corner.

[father ted]

I don't want to say to much for people who have not seen it but i thought the ending was very relevant of today and what we may experience when our world is in a corner.
12-03-2007 10:02 AM

by that, do you mean that religion prays on people in trouble?

I thought It was interesting how the 2 guys that were chasing "ronaldigno" (I don't know what he was called) that didn't get killed in the end, were also the ones who sought redemption, well one of them was, I can't remember if the other guy sought redemption as well, but I think he did.

[tru3]

mm I thought the same about "Passion of the Christ" you feel drained afterwards...although for me it was just more evidence of how that believe is fear based, I think its down to how awake you are to it all.... if you are open to the view you have then you can see the film as art and control the effect it has on you see it how you want to... if you are blind to how that stuff works and also blind to the real deal behind the sacrificing and so on then the movie may well play a part as a programing tool for negativity....

you know, i didn't see passion either. i just didn't see the point in either one of these movies.

i agree that it is about awareness. the more we are aware, the less the symbols, the geometry, the capital letters in civic docs, all that manipulative bullshit has an effect on us. awakening consciousness is like a blade of grass growing up between the concrete slabs of a sidewalk. it grows and eventually the roots literally crush the stone. just look at the mayan temples today.

with respect to me and mel and his two movies, who knows? i thought he ROCKED as hamlet! maybe i had a past life issue with him lol maybe i was one of the sacrificed. :confused: i try to own my shit, when it comes up. all i know is i can live without seeing this movie. i have to trust my intuition on this one. thanks for everyone's care and concern. ;)

[oneofmany]

Where are we with information on the Wally symbology?

[thirdwave]

Does anyone know if places have been found with loads and loads of skeletons there as a result of these actions by bad mayans??

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was but not sure....

[oneofmany]

Hows this!

Did you know that that the Waldo character Started his life with the name Wally and after his many travels around the world, had a name change to Waldo in certain parts of the world. Things were going great for Wally/Waldo until they had a complete ego split and became two seperate characters
I quote from wikipedia

Although Waldo and Wally are identical in appearance, the character and personality themselves developed differently - Waldo became a hip and tech-savvy American world traveler, while Wally was cast as somewhat goofy and intellectual.

Are we seeing a mind controlled Wally/Waldo?

source
Where's Wally? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

comments please

[i_am]

Hows this!

Are we seeing a mind controlled Wally/Waldo?

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_Waldo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Waldo)

comments please

Or are we being shown to look beyond the 'obvious.' As you become more atuned the easier it is to spot Wally. It actually jumps out at you just like when you start to delve into conspiracies. The more you seek, the less you need to seek. It smacks you in the face.

[tru3]

Does anyone know if places have been found with loads and loads of skeletons there as a result of these actions by bad mayans??

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was but not sure....

this might be rather off topic, but i do know that archealogical remains were found in the chaco canyon area (anasazi tribes) in arizona about 10 years ago which suggested that there had been acts of cannibalism as recent as 700-800 years ago. this caused a shitstorm in the native american community in the states. i mean, i can understand; it wouldn't be pleasant for me to have that suggested about my ancestors. :eek:

again, if you want further information, google "miguel ruiz jaguar knights", or click the link i posted earlier in this thread.

you know, i really am not trying to bash the mayans in this thread anyway. there is a lot of wisdom in indigenous cultures; i believe, in fact, that they have carried forward the purest form of the wisdom of atlantis and mu.

the ones in the movie who worshipped kukukuchuus, or whatever the name was, were, for all intents and purposes, the jaguar priests, or knights as ruiz names them. i don't care what they were called in the movie, they were performing exactly the same kinds of ritual sacrifices. in the words of ruiz, "they turned quetzacoatl into a demon". as i mentioned earlier, they were a mutated offshoot of the priesthood, a rebellion against the goddess culture of mu and atlantis.

some parts of the film are really really dark and these evil Mayans worshiped a "god" called Kukukahn and they used to sacrifice thousands of people in his name by ripping out their hearts and cutting their heads off..... the true Mayans were peace loving and very spiritually tuned.... but these others who where obsessed with kukukahn and were completely lost with ethics...

exactly. the culture of the mayans was one of the most evolved cultures on earth, in many ways. then, because everybody started freaking out about the end of the world (sound familiar?) the jaguar priests infiltrated the goddess temples, and the streets ran red.

ted, i believe that these miscreant psychopaths are indeed closely related to the templars, and other cult-of-the-month clubs, at least in "spirit" if not blood relation. like i said, they go back all the way to atlantis, from what i've read.

anyway, check out ruiz. it's insightful, because the toltecs actually survived all this bloodshed with their wisdom and culture pretty much intact. most of the other rival tribes in the region were decimated by this group.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Hows this!

Did you know that that the Waldo character Started his life with the name Wally and after his many travels around the world, had a name change to Waldo in certain parts of the world. Things were going great for Wally/Waldo until they had a complete ego split and became two seperate characters
I quote from wikipedia



Are we seeing a mind controlled Wally/Waldo?

source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_Waldo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Waldo)

comments please

Maybe he is just meant to look like Wally / Waldo. His top has vertical stripes rather than hoops. He is carrying an umbrella. Wierd I agree, but a reason for it? We could discuss it all day. Distraction imho

[oneofmany]

Maybe he is just meant to look like Wally / Waldo. His top has vertical stripes rather than hoops. He is carrying an umbrella. Wierd I agree, but a reason for it? We could discuss it all day. Distraction imhohave you read any of the other posts? I'ts one of the questions that came out of earlier disscussions and I for one want answered.
as for, I quote We could discuss it all day.

my answer to you is the title of the thread is subliminals in Apocalypto! Is it going anywhere? are we on a clock for topics? Does Info have a shelf life?
Wally was in the subliminal, thus we are discussing it now

Distraction imho

and your welcome to it

[tru3]

my answer to you is the title of the thread is subliminals in Apocalypto! Is it going anywhere? are we on a clock for topics? Does Info have a shelf life?

One, you get the award for the snappiest comeback of the month! :D :D :D

i like ghost stories, don't you?? fadda ted, fadda ted, tell me a scary story fadda ted!!! :p

[thirdwave]

this might be rather off topic, but i do know that archealogical remains were found in the chaco canyon area (anasazi tribes) in arizona about 10 years ago which suggested that there had been acts of cannibalism as recent as 700-800 years ago. this caused a shitstorm in the native american community in the states. i mean, i can understand; it wouldn't be pleasant for me to have that suggested about my ancestors. :eek:

again, if you want further information, google "miguel ruiz jaguar knights", or click the link i posted earlier in this thread.

you know, i really am not trying to bash the mayans in this thread anyway. there is a lot of wisdom in indigenous cultures; i believe, in fact, that they have carried forward the purest form of the wisdom of atlantis and mu.

the ones in the movie who worshipped kukukuchuus, or whatever the name was, were, for all intents and purposes, the jaguar priests, or knights as ruiz names them. i don't care what they were called in the movie, they were performing exactly the same kinds of ritual sacrifices. in the words of ruiz, "they turned quetzacoatl into a demon". as i mentioned earlier, they were a mutated offshoot of the priesthood, a rebellion against the goddess culture of mu and atlantis.



exactly. the culture of the mayans was one of the most evolved cultures on earth, in many ways. then, because everybody started freaking out about the end of the world (sound familiar?) the jaguar priests infiltrated the goddess temples, and the streets ran red.

ted, i believe that these miscreant psychopaths are indeed closely related to the templars, and other cult-of-the-month clubs, at least in "spirit" if not blood relation. like i said, they go back all the way to atlantis, from what i've read.

anyway, check out ruiz. it's insightful, because the toltecs actually survived all this bloodshed with their wisdom and culture pretty much intact. most of the other rival tribes in the region were decimated by this group.

I was interested to find out if allot of the flim was based on proven fact, if its true then it is a tad bit disrespectful putting that wheres wally thing there....

regarding how the mayans all went pare shaped, seems some of them evolved to quickly and i think when that happens it does not create good results.. and this must have been down to kukulkahn ... and it seems its not the only time something like that has happend... Annunaki .... chitorah....

will get googling...

[tru3]

regarding how the mayans all went pare shaped, seems some of them evolved to quickly and i think when that happens it does not create good results.. and this must have been down to kukulkahn ... and it seems its not the only time something like that has happend... Annunaki .... chitorah....

...curious, no? happy hunting! :)

crystalinks is always fun to root about in:

http://www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html

might be a couple of surprises here!

[narcolepticwatchman]

have you read any of the other posts? I'ts one of the questions that came out of earlier disscussions and I for one want answered.
as for, I quote

my answer to you is the title of the thread is subliminals in Apocalypto! Is it going anywhere? are we on a clock for topics? Does Info have a shelf life?
Wally was in the subliminal, thus we are discussing it now



and your welcome to it

Whats with the attitude friend? All i did was post an opinion, no need to lambast me for it. You are welcome to your opinion as I am mine. You seem to be getting a bit egotistical about all this. No need to make other feel inferior. What ever happened to infintie love being the only truth?

Division, derision, collision.

[oneofmany]

Whats with the attitude friend? All i did was post an opinion, no need to lambast me for it. You are welcome to your opinion as I am mine. You seem to be getting a bit egotistical about all this. No need to make other feel inferior. What ever happened to infintie love being the only truth?

Division, derision, collision.

If you think before you post, and have something relevant to say, you find that I treat you posts with respect. However, there was nothing relevant except your opinion, that it was a waste of time, where I begged to differ that in fact it is the reason this thread was in fact created. No ego's here, just a person who gets disturbed when people type "Fluff" instead of real info.

Maybe he is just meant to look like Wally / Waldo. His top has vertical stripes rather than hoops. He is carrying an umbrella. Wierd I agree,but areason for it?We could discuss it all day. Distraction imho

Really, is there any relevant information to be had from that statement?

Im sorry if i offended, :rolleyes:

[father ted]

I've emailed Jordan Maxwell on this topic, I hope he's not busy at this time so he could answer it. I'm sure he'd be able to write a whole book on it, you can count on Maxwell to work this one out.

Personally, I'm on the opinion that this wally thing has something to do with trauma based mind controll as well as mind controll of the masses. There have been some good suggestions relating to this.

[oneofmany]

I've emailed Jordan Maxwell on this topic, I hope he's not busy at this time so he could answer it. I'm sure he'd be able to write a whole book on it, you can count on Maxwell to work this one out.

Personally, I'm on the opinion that this wally thing has something to do with trauma based mind controll as well as mind controll of the masses. There have been some good suggestions relating to this.Has he answered you before? what did you discuss if you have? I find the man fascinating and would love to know what he thinks about it.

Please post the reply, if you get one

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I thought I saw the McDonalds archs in that second picture posted.

[oneofmany]

I thought I saw the McDonalds archs in that second picture posted.Sorry, which picture are you refering to?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Sorry, which picture are you refering to?

The very first post on here.

The second picture, if you look at the darker areas within the corpses, you can see that there are dark lines. And to me, those lines look like they connect making the golden arches of mcdonalds..

[thirdwave]

...curious, no? happy hunting! :)

crystalinks is always fun to root about in:

http://www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html

might be a couple of surprises here!

cheers mate

[oneofmany]

The very first post on here.

The second picture, if you look at the darker areas within the corpses, you can see that there are dark lines. And to me, those lines look like they connect making the golden arches of mcdonalds..I can also make out the Darkened Arches :eek: thanks for forcing me to have the picture blown up, It makes all the difference.

Subliminal sabotage maybe, associating McDonalds with rotting corpses and death, who are McDonalds main competitors?

comments please

[klinker]

I can also make out the Darkened Arches :eek: thanks for forcing me to have the picture blown up, It makes all the difference.

Subliminal sabotage maybe, associating McDonalds with rotting corpses and death, who are McDonalds main competitors?

comments please

Can't see it meself.

[oneofmany]

Can't see it meself.It's disguised in the colouring of the bodies. I couldn't make it out at first either.

[narcolepticwatchman]

If you think before you post, and have something relevant to say, you find that I treat you posts with respect. However, there was nothing relevant except your opinion, that it was a waste of time, where I begged to differ that in fact it is the reason this thread was in fact created. No ego's here, just a person who gets disturbed when people type "Fluff" instead of real info.



Really, is there any relevant information to be had from that statement?

Im sorry if i offended, :rolleyes:

You have posted one of the most condesending messages I have ever read there mate. Think before I post? Fluff? You most certainly have an ego.

I never said it was a waste of time. You have put words into my mouth, you have put spin on my post. :) I said it was distraction. Distraction being pointless news stories, film, tv programmes and the like designed with the sole intention of keeping you away / distracted from real issues. ie subliminals inserted into movies or tv programmes to make people like yourself spend hours discussing nonsensical points. Now, I'm not for a second saying that this keeps you away from real issues or that it will keep others away from real issues, but it has potential. That was my point, or fluff as you call it. Feel free to roll your eyes again.

People like you make people stop listening to valid points and the truth because of the way you come across. This approach makes people switch off no matter how valid your point may be, which is a shame, as you obviously have a lot of worthwhile information to share and people could learn a lot from you. You got the approach wrong mate.

This is an open forum. Do not participate in discussion if you do not want people to post things you do not agree with. What you have just done is the antithesis of discussion / argument. Playground put downs are most certainly not what I expected from this forum. You have disappointed me to say the least.

[oneofmany]

You have posted one of the most condesending messages I have ever read there mate. Think before I post? Fluff? You most certainly have an ego.

At least this post clearly states your opinion, so at least I can understand it. I still maintain that I didn't see much of relevence to the dissusion in your first post, however you have cleared up your point of view for me and for that Im happy.

I never said it was a waste of time. You have put words into my mouth, you have put spin on my post.

There your words :confused:

I said it was distraction. Distraction being pointless news stories, film, tv programmes and the like designed with the sole intention of keeping you away / distracted from real issues. ie subliminals inserted into movies or tv programmes to make people like yourself spend hours discussing nonsensical points.

These words here are really what i sensed in your first post but thanks for elaborating more on your opinion for me

This is an open forum. Do not participate in discussion if you do not want people to post things you do not agree with. What you have just done is the antithesis of discussion / argument.

same to you, this is a double entendre if ever I saw one

Now, I'm not for a second saying that this keeps you away from real issues or that it will keep others away from real issues, but it has potential. That was my point, or fluff as you call it. Feel free to roll your eyes again.

I apoligise for the rolley eyes thing

People like you make people stop listening to valid points and the truth because of the way you come across. This approach makes people switch off no matter how valid your point may be, which is a shame, as you obviously have a lot of worthwhile information to share and people could learn a lot from you. You got the approach wrong mate.

If someone like me is going to stop people from finding the truth, then we all better pray (or whatever other people do) for the future of humanity, because Im a pussycat compared to a government censor.
As for my aproach, Im not particularly here to make friends (but it is a nice bi product). I'm here for Information, and bieng clear and to the point helps me find It quicker What I've said was not meant as a putdown

Playground put downs are most certainly not what I expected from this forum. You have disappointed me to say the least.

Im sorry, could you forgive me?

[father ted]

I've never emailed Maxwell before, so I don't know if he replies or how often. He is quite a famous researcher so I hope he is not too busy or gets too many emails to reply. I think he would find this interesting. I am dying to get a response so I can post it on this forum.

I have typing things like "where's wally illuminati" into search engines, but nothing came up. I'll keep searching, there should be something out there. One thing I can remember from the "where's wally" cartoons is that he keeps going through portals or being transported into other worlds, and I think he has a wizard friend. His evil nemesis, his opposite wears yellow and black srtipes.

I don't think discussing subliminals is a distraction, we need to understand these things so they don't affect us.

[oneofmany]

I've never emailed Maxwell before, so I don't know if he replies or how often. He is quite a famous researcher so I hope he is not too busy or gets too many emails to reply. I think he would find this interesting. I am dying to get a response so I can post it on this forum.

Have you tried his blog?

I don't think discussing subliminals is a distraction, we need to understand these things so they don't affect us.


EXACTLY

[limelady]

Does anyone know if places have been found with loads and loads of skeletons there as a result of these actions by bad mayans??

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was but not sure....

Hi thirdwave, Some time ago I saved the following document for an article I was going to write. It may be the item you remember reading?

Ghastly stuff!



Boiled bones show Aztecs butchered, ate invaders
By Catherine Bremer Wed Aug 23, 11:39 AM ET

CALPULALPAN, Mexico (Reuters) - Skeletons found at an unearthed site in Mexico show Aztecs captured, ritually sacrificed and partially ate several hundred people traveling with invading Spanish forces in 1520.

Skulls and bones from the Tecuaque archeological site near Mexico City show about 550 victims had their hearts ripped out by Aztec priests in ritual offerings, and were dismembered or had their bones boiled or scraped clean, experts say.

The findings support accounts of Aztecs capturing and killing a caravan of Spanish conquistadors and local men, women and children traveling with them in revenge for the murder of Cacamatzin, king of the Aztec empire's No. 2 city of Texcoco.

Experts say the discovery proves some Aztecs did resist the conquistadors led by explorer Hernan Cortes, even though history books say most welcomed the white-skinned horsemen in the belief they were returning Aztec gods.
"This is the first place that has so much evidence there was resistance to the conquest," said archeologist Enrique Martinez, director of the dig at Calpulalpan in Tlaxcala state, near Texcoco.

"It shows it wasn't all submission. There was a fight."
The caravan was apparently captured because it was made up mostly of the mulatto, mestizo, Maya Indian and Caribbean men and women given to the Spanish as carriers and cooks when they landed in Mexico in 1519, and so was moving slowly.

The prisoners were kept in cages for months while Aztec priests from what is now Mexico City selected a few each day at dawn, held them down on a sacrificial slab, cut out their hearts and offered them up to various Aztec gods.

Some may have been given hallucinogenic mushrooms or pulque -- an alcoholic milky drink made from fermented cactus juice -- to numb them to what was about to happen.


TEETH MARKS
"It was a continuous sacrifice over six months. While the prisoners were listening to their companions being sacrificed, the next ones were being selected," Martinez said, standing in his lab amid boxes of bones, some of young children.

"You can only imagine what it was like for the last ones, who were left six months before being chosen, their anguish."

The priests and town elders, who performed the rituals on the steps of temples cut off by a perimeter wall, sometimes ate their victims' raw and bloody hearts or cooked flesh from their arms and legs once it dropped off the boiling bones.

Knife cuts and even teeth marks on the bones show which ones had meat stripped off to be eaten, Martinez said.
Some pregnant women in the group had their unborn babies stabbed inside their bellies as part of the ritual.

In Aztec times the site was called Zultepec, a town of white-stucco temples and homes where some 5,000 people grew maize and beans and produced pulque to sell to traders.

Priests had to be brought in for the ritual killings because human sacrifices had never before taken place there, Martinez said.

On hearing of the months-long massacre, Cortes renamed the town Tecuaque -- meaning "where people were eaten" in the indigenous Nahuatl language -- and sent an army to wipe out its people.
When they heard the Spanish were coming, the Zultepec Aztecs threw their victims' possessions down wells, unwittingly preserving buttons and jewelry for the archeologists.

The team, which began work here in 1990, also found remains of domestic animals brought from Spain, like goats and pigs.
"They hid all the evidence," said Martinez. "Thanks to that act, we have been allowed to discover a chapter we were unaware of in the conquest of Mexico."


Sorry if this takes up too much space.

[narcolepticwatchman]

.There your words :confused:

However, there was nothing relevant except your opinion, that it was a waste of time

I think you will find they were your words.

same to you, this is a double entendre if ever I saw one

the difference being, I can accept a difference of opinion without resulting to childish retorts in response. I welcome purposeful debate, its healthy.

I apoligise for the rolley eyes thing

Apology accepted.

What I've said was not meant as a putdown

It certainly came across that way. Maybe you should think how people will react when you post direct resposes to someone elses post.

Im sorry, could you forgive me?

I can

[oneofmany]

I think you will find they were your words. when you post this We could discuss it all day. Distraction imhoThis suggests to me that what Im talking about is a waste of time according to you.


the difference being, I can accept a difference of opinion without resulting to childish retorts in response. I welcome purposeful debate, its healthy.

I don't believe there was anything childish in my responses, maybe a little impatient, but childish :D:D:D This has helped you grow, you are now debating far more than when you first walked into this thread, and have revealed more of your theory.
As for purposful, look at this as getting to know me.........Lucky You:)


Apology accepted. thank you



It certainly came across that way. Maybe you should think how people will react when you post direct resposes to someone elses post.


This has absolutely nothing to do with me how someone percieves me by reading my posts, and frankly, I have better things to worry about. We all make our own reality, yours is you percieve me as being rude, mine is to search for all truth, no matter what. sorry

[father ted]

I saw this doco on tv, where archaeologists found evidence of cannibalism by native tribes that lived there, somewhere in the US deserts. This was of a an actual ancient civilization, before any europeans discovered america. The natives that were desendants of that area or civilization were deeply offended, didn't want to hear about it, and were calling the claims racist.

Then the researchers, after looking into this more, found evidence that there were two different and contrasting cultures/races from that area. One, was a peacefull, sensible group/tribes of people and the other was the cannibalistic culture, violent, conquering, bloody bunch of people.

They concluded that the canibalistic race/tribes came from much further down south, even south of central america (I think) and left a trail of invasions, violence, cannibalism allong the way, and even rituals I think, probable evidence that it was them (as well as other evidence), then they invaded the peacefull tribe/civilization that was living there beforehand.
(The natives still didn't want to hear about it, and still found this insulting)

I like to combine these types of info with stuff like the one limelady posted, as well as other info, and think about it. It may be that these jaguar cults or whatever you call them traveled and invaded, practising their rituals, or maybe the reptillians themselves went around, manipulating these cultures to do these evil acts (just as they did to the jaguar cult).

Either way, it does seem that there was reptillian intervention in the americas, before europeans came. The rituals are the same, the symbolisms, and the way they are used, are the same, then there are pyramids and other buildings, structures, method of astrology etc.

[tru3]

I like to combine these types of info with stuff like the one limelady posted, as well as other info, and think about it. It may be that these jaguar cults or whatever you call them traveled and invaded, practising their rituals, or maybe the reptillians themselves went around, manipulating these cultures to do these evil acts (just as they did to the jaguar cult).

Either way, it does seem that there was reptillian intervention in the americas, before europeans came. The rituals are the same, the symbolisms, and the way they are used, are the same, then there are pyramids and other buildings, structures, method of astrology etc.

yes. thanks for throwing that in there about the anasazi. i never made that connection when i first read about it, but it does make sense. the sad fact is that whatever the reason, ancient wisdom has been suppressed, twisted, corrupted and drowned in blood. we are all poorer because of it.

[father ted]

There's another thing I want to mention about the movie.

I think the portrail of how these tribe (the peaceful tribes) lived, is incorrect and naive. First of all, I don't think these guys had issues of impotency (that's mainly from western culture, isn't it?), and even if they did, they would of had a cure for it. The other thing is, it shows them teasing the so called "odd one out", and the whole village making fun of him. I don't know about these things, but maybe I'm wrong.

[tru3]

There's another thing I want to mention about the movie.

I think the portrail of how these tribe (the peaceful tribes) lived, is incorrect and naive. First of all, I don't think these guys had issues of impotency (that's mainly from western culture, isn't it?), and even if they did, they would of had a cure for it. The other thing is, it shows them teasing the so called "odd one out", and the whole village making fun of him. I don't know about these things, but maybe I'm wrong.

good observations. somebody early on in the thread mentioned something to the effect that this movie was kind of a parable on modern civilization. if so, then yes, the movie wouldn't necessarily be historically accurate.

the maya would have taken horny goat weed or something! :D

and in native american cultures, the "oddballs" were most often revered as shamans (shamen? :confused: ). if you ever saw the movie "little big man" with dustin hoffman, there was one tribe member who walked around backwards all day! he was a medicine man, if i remember correctly. bisexuals had different colored paints on each side of their body, things like that.

[kromagg]

wtf? so is this wally thing a prank?? how is this not more common knowledge by now?? especially with all the gibson haters??

[father ted]

wtf? so is this wally thing a prank?? how is this not more common knowledge by now?? especially with all the gibson haters??

Because all the gibson haters focus on the race card, and not the issues that actually matter. There was someone who noticed this it seems, and posted it on utube in february, as I've just found out (so someone knew, before I did).

You should read the retarded comments to it, which will give you a better idea as to how this is not more common knowledge by now:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[tru3]

Because all the gibson haters focus on the race card, and not the issues that actually matter. There was someone who noticed this it seems, and posted it on utube in february, as I've just found out (so someone knew, before I did).

You should read the retarded comments to it, which will give you a better idea as to how this is not more common knowledge by now:

plus, we've already established that wally has horizontal stripes (and glasses and a cap, for that matter), while our "little friend" in the movie has vertical stripes on his shirt. plus the "umbrella".

what, mel couldn't send his peeps to wal-mart to pick up the proper attire for his little goof?

please.:rolleyes:

[dmessick]

Can't anyone just watch a movie and enjoy it anymore. Once I realized that probably all movies and tv and music have subliminal illumati messages in them I stopped allowing them to affect me. Now I just enjoy them because I choose too.

[devyn]

I've been looking around and can't find any info on why Waldo/Wally is in the movie but I'm guessing it's just like an easter egg or goof, kinda like the teaser trailer for the movie that was made where Mel was in it painted to look like one the actors.

As for Kukulcan (aka Gukumatz), he was a feathered serpent god, creator god and an elemental god. Essentially he is the Mayan equivalent of the Aztec Quetzalcoatl. I'm still confused on the whole human sacrifice, some traditions say he allows animal not human sacrifice while others say he allows human sacrifice. He is also supposedly associated with the planet Venus. Anyone think that he could have been a reptilian alien that made them do these things?

[father ted]

If he's associated with planet venus, then I would say yes, reptilian.

The umbrella according to research represents blood letting, as the umbrella is reminiscent of a barber pole.

Here is why:

Barber's pole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The origin of the barber pole is associated with the service of bloodletting.[1] During medieval times, barbers also performed surgery on customers. The original pole had a brass basin at the top (representing the vessel in which leeches were kept) and bottom (representing the basin which received the blood). The pole itself represents the staff that the patient gripped during the procedure to encourage blood flow.

The red and white stripes symbolize the bandages used during the procedure: red for the blood-stained and white for the clean bandages. Originally, these bandages were hung out on the pole to dry after washing. As the bandages blew in the wind, they would twist together to form the spiral pattern similar to the stripes in the modern day barber pole. The barber pole became emblematic of the barber/surgeon's profession. Later the cloths were replaced by a painted wooden pole of red and white stripes.

In those days, the assumption was that one of the ways of getting rid of disease or symptoms of whatever was to let it out through the blood, so the barbers ran this service. I would take wiki's explanation with a grain of salt, but you get the idea;).

[dane]

One thing I can remember from the "where's wally" cartoons is that he keeps going through portals or being transported into other worlds, and I think he has a wizard friend. His evil nemesis, his opposite wears yellow and black srtipes.

yeh i only just realized now that the bad guy "Odlaw" is "Waldo" backwards...

HA

anyway who has this picture of waldo in apocalypto??

i cant see it :(

[father ted]

Shit, this thread is so old I didn't realise that when I deleted pics from imageshak that they would be deleted everywhere else.

Here's one from youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Pve9a2MFA

[dane]

thanks for the re-up Ted is that shit for reals? TRIPPED OOOUUUTT.
i seen this movie, n never caught that. the guy is actually pressing into the dead bodys shins the wrong way like its rubber, the guys actually there!

[father ted]

Took me ages to try to pause on that image the first time with the right media player, then I found out one person had had it on youtube later on.

There is no decent media player out there, they all suck. When the internet first came out, there was one that did everything, and now it's gone. No, they don't want you to use good equipment, especially if you can record, play it backwards and upload it easily on the net!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

They also don't want you to go pausing on subliminals. This one's slow, very slow. The current media players that are out there won't be able to pause or slow down with enough clarity, on god knows how many implants!

[dane]

yehhh, bastards.

i checked out others on youtube that filmed it on their tv's..couple from different countries, and they all have the subliminal.

do yu think gibson and co did it for a laff just because they can?, or do yu think it has a meaning/agenda behind such an image/idea.(waldo)

[father ted]

I think there's a meaning behind it. I wrote about it earlier in this old thread: oh wait, check above, in post 81.

Notice the placement of the subliminal and the proposed meaning: bloodletting!

[alzee]

Well thats pretty freaky, lol! What an odd 'easter egg' to put in there.

By the way, which media players are you guys using?
Media Player Classic still works very well. For those clips which prove awkward to play, VLC Media Player is King ;)

[eclecticspirit]

Does anyone know if places have been found with loads and loads of skeletons there as a result of these actions by bad mayans??

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was but not sure....

Look here:
http://www.livingcancun.com/Mayan-Ruins/Chichen-Itza/

[eclecticspirit]

I think kukukahn might have been a reptillian and was responsible for these psychopaths and the rituals, sounds familliar. I think kukukahn means "penis king" though that's not the official translaition, is it? Penis king, where have I heard that before?

The reptilian connection mentioned here:
http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilians.html

Notice the mention of reptilian/human shapeshifting:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/217747/the_mayan_mystery_who_was_kukulcan.html

Here is possibly where your memory of the penis thing comes in:
http://www.astrology.com/maya_articles/qvenus.html

[father ted]

Well thats pretty freaky, lol! What an odd 'easter egg' to put in there.

By the way, which media players are you guys using?
Media Player Classic still works very well. For those clips which prove awkward to play, VLC Media Player is King ;)

Those are both very good media players, VLC is a lifesaver!

[father ted]

The reptilian connection mentioned here:
http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilians.html

Notice the mention of reptilian/human shapeshifting:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/217747/the_mayan_mystery_who_was_kukulcan.html

Here is possibly where your memory of the penis thing comes in:
http://www.astrology.com/maya_articles/qvenus.html

Very interesting links, so old quetzelquatwhatever the fuck his name is was an ugly bastard? A reptilian perhaps? Who wanted his dna changed (for descendants) to fit in with the crowd? King of guessing though.

As with penis king, that was an interesting refference as well as involvenemt of sex magic rituals. I myself was reffering to the term "pindar", meaning penis of the dragon or pinacle of the dragon etc.

[umbrex]

being the nosy person i am, i decided to try to figure out wether or not an eclpise actually occured.

22oct 1491 there was an eclipse.

so the question is really, is wally even significant, or maybe a gibsonian joke ?!