The Evolution of Metal Rock Bands

[seer74]

Ok, so I came across some posts on a thread under Reptiles about some of today's popular heavy music. It was off topic for the thread, and I made a short reply but it made me want to expound further on what I was saying about it, hence I am starting a thread for which it is on-topic to discuss, I think this is the appropriate forum for this thread.

The poster stated they were a teenager and said how they hate metal rock music. Considering their age group I'm pretty sure they meant the metal of today, and I personally feel the same way about it. However, I have a personal interest in the subject and would like to note much about this musical genre has changed over the years. I am much older than that poster, and I consider todays metal to be a completely different kind of music from was considered metal when I was growing up.

When I was growing up metal was of nowhere near as low of a frequency as it is today. Over the years it has gradually become lower and lower all the time. Back then it had very elaborate composition/arrangement, and processing this sort of thing was quite the mental exercise, execiseing you mind makes your mind stronger, something the Illuminati sure don't want. Over the years as it has gotten lower and lower in frequency it has also become much simpler and less and less of a mental workout to process.

Now for the lyrics, the metal bands way back when were (most of them) very much rebels against the illuminati system of control and it showed very much in their lyrical content. They were constantly getting on the Elite's case and pointing out the evils of this world, encourageing people to free their minds.

Interstingly back then you heard a LOT more from the mainstream culture than you do now attacking metal bands as being "satanic". This was the reaction the illuminati wanted BECAUSE these artists were a threat to them. It also planted the suggestion to future musicians to create the very evil, very low-frequency music that is metal today. Back then they were all accused of being the very thing they were putting down. Today's metal bands in fact are Satanic Illuminati cultural pawns and hardly ANYONE is saying so!!! Go figure!!!

For me, the thoughts expressed in the lyrics of the OLD metal bands were the beginning of my journey of discovery. They influenced me to think outside the box, educated me about the evils of mainstream society, and exercised my brain raiseing my intellect. Don't get me wrong even then CERTAIN artists were very low-frequency and were not very high on my list of appreciated music, Venom and Slayer come to mind... But a LOT more of them were as I've described in a positive light. Three in particular really elevated my consciousness and started me on learning of the hiddne agendas in our world. Iron Maiden's lyrics were VERY educational to me, really made me THINK about the evils of war, the way we are ruled by fear, the constant manipulation "...as the Madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song - to the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun; The killer's breed or the Demon's seed...". Ronnie James Dio showed me what that HAND SIGN MEANT (his album covers always depicted a big scary devil giving the sign) so that when I started seeing politicians giveing it (before I discovered Icke!!!) I said "WHOAH, what did he just do???" His lyrics as well expressed many thoughts that opened my eyes to this world. And OK, wow, yes he's changed A LOT over the years, but when he was younger Ozzy Osbourne the "Rock and Roll Rebel" was constantly calling on us to "learn how to love and forget how to hate" warning people NOT to abuse alchohol and drugs (yes he did plenty of that himself but that was how he knew and he really did warn the rest of us not to do the same!!!), pointing out the "Spiral Architect" as "Sorcerers of sadness" reminding us who is "Lord of this World"
begging people to "show the world that love is still alive" so as not to be "Children of the Grave" asking Mr. Crowley "what went wrong in your head?"
I could go on and on about less well-known artists who were even better in these regards, and I myself being a musician (no one you've ever heard of I'm afraid) have written MUCH music that would be called Heavy Metal in the old sense that has very elaborate compostion designed to very methodically take your senses from very low to very high frequencies, all with anti-illuminati pro-consciousness lyrics. Nobody knows who I am because the powers that be have NO intention of letting you hear MY kind of metal!!!

anyways, I'm interested in seeing others thoughts on this subject. I imagine I will get a diverse array of different reactions.

"When I was liveing this lie, FEAR was my game! People would worship and fall; drop to their knees! So bring me the blood and red wine, for the one to succeed me; for he is a man and a god, and he will die to! Tell me why I had to be a POWERSLAVE..." Powerslave by Iron Maiden

"... and maybe when the time is close at hand you'll begin to understand life down here is just a strange illusion..." Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden

...All I am is you; All you are is me; We are Infinite! Wings of Infinity by ME

[halebox]

I hear you. Positive white metal is not appreciated but dont stop. The whole industry and its sheep do not support us. Ive always held on to my musical beliefs. Its a shame to watch friends succumb to the lower vibrational music mob. Dont change your art for anyone.

[guyblokeman]

Slipknot are easily one of the most "Enlightened" bands out there. Yeh they get alot of stick for their image, but thats only from fools that dont understand it. They are fairly "Low Frequency" though so you might not like em. Their one of the more technical bands out there and they can be very experimental.

"I am a world before I am a man, I was a creature before I could stand, I will remember before I forget, BEFORE I FORGET!!!"

"We never had to fight in the first place, we only had to spit back in their face"

"This sacrament is sacrilege and sentimental
Deity experimental - Faith is accidental "

Loads more, also check out stonesour;)

[seer74]

I hear you. Positive white metal is not appreciated but dont stop. The whole industry and its sheep do not support us. Ive always held on to my musical beliefs. Its a shame to watch friends succumb to the lower vibrational music mob. Dont change your art for anyone.

lately I've kind of lightened up and have been playing by myself, acoustic classic-rock covers and folk songs in local bars, mostly just stuff for fun, here and there I throw in something with a message. Its SO hard to find band members for my ART these days! :( I'm always looking though.

[acidjazz]

mmm i used to be big into metal

listened to a lot of cannibal corpse, slayer, metallica, megadeth some iron maiden but whats interesting is the way the music makes you feel.when i listened to slayer i felt a lot of anger i was amped!! but then i remember like what the hell am i doing and then i just felt like this :o. when i listened to megadeth and iron maiden however i had a feeling of hope and though the music still gave me energy it felt positive.

though now im much more into trip hop, post-rock, indie/alternative rock. and underground hip hop.

and actually the underground hip hop is great!

Just yesterday i went to a hip hop event where people of all ethnicities, and different backgrounds came to breakdance, freestyle, write graffitti. The energy there and the 'vibes' you get from these people is amazing. The message of peace and love was repeated over and over and it never got boring!

[seer74]

great post, acidjazz, thats what I'm talking about, right there and it applys to other styles of music besides metal, as you touch on in your post. in the old metal you had Slayer for example, VERY low-frequency and not helping at all while Iron Maiden, for example very elevating and though makeing mention of some pretty rotten stuff, more informative about it than promoteing it, and musically generateing a pretty HIGH frequency of consciousness. And just as in Metal these days the system of control promotes mostly low-frequency garbage even THOUGH metal can be quite high-frequency; you get the same deal with hip-hop I absolutely LOVE underground hip-hop - very consciousness elevateing stuff; while what kind of hip-hop will one find on the radio, etc. ??? gangster-thug-bitch-slapping low-frequency garbage at worst and at best obssessed with partying and sex. I am a music lover with a very diverse taste in different styles of music, and have observed for some time now how the elite-controlled media make more and more all the time a point to promote low-frequency mind-numbing crap and bury anything that might push the listener's mind in a more positive direction no matter how incredibly talented (in the case of higher-frequency art) or mediocre to lousy (in the case of the alternative) the artist might be.

[fist fury]

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[seer74]

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the HAIR BANDS of GLAM ROCK were NOT metal bands!!! LMAO

[eternal_spirit]

great post, acidjazz, thats what I'm talking about, right there and it applys to other styles of music besides metal, as you touch on in your post. in the old metal you had Slayer for example, VERY low-frequency and not helping at all while Iron Maiden, for example very elevating and though makeing mention of some pretty rotten stuff, more informative about it than promoteing it, and musically generateing a pretty HIGH frequency of consciousness. And just as in Metal these days the system of control promotes mostly low-frequency garbage even THOUGH metal can be quite high-frequency; you get the same deal with hip-hop I absolutely LOVE underground hip-hop - very consciousness elevateing stuff; while what kind of hip-hop will one find on the radio, etc. ??? gangster-thug-bitch-slapping low-frequency garbage at worst and at best obssessed with partying and sex. I am a music lover with a very diverse taste in different styles of music, and have observed for some time now how the elite-controlled media make more and more all the time a point to promote low-frequency mind-numbing crap and bury anything that might push the listener's mind in a more positive direction no matter how incredibly talented (in the case of higher-frequency art) or mediocre to lousy (in the case of the alternative) the artist might be.

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Agreed, most people are brainwashed by this low level frequency music and many can't appreciate the higher frequency pieces, they can't vibrate at such a frequency, they're stuck in the lower levels.

[seer74]

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Agreed, most people are brainwashed by this low level frequency music and many can't appreciate the higher frequency pieces, they can't vibrate at such a frequency, they're stuck in the lower levels.

though many people who were never even exposed to higher frequency musical works due to the ever inreasing refusal to promote it are amazed and absolutley LOVE it once turned on to it!!!

[crazed]

can you explain the difference between low frequency and high frequency?

[seer74]

can you explain the difference between low frequency and high frequency?

the human mind/emotions resonate. this resonance has a varieing range of requencies. fear, anger, hate, the dense/physical resonate on lower frequencies - love, joy, the spirit resonate on higher frequencies.

[crazed]

Thanks for explaining.

[adramelech]

I'm just curious, but have you ever paid attention to the lyrics of a band like Slayer, for example? Or were you just immediately turned off by how the music made you feel?

I've been involved in the metal scene for well over a decade and find the two genres of music which expose great deals of advanced information are underground hip-hop and metal.

There are also hundreds of bands carrying the torch of classic traditional heavy metal like Iron Maiden.

[seer74]

I'm just curious, but have you ever paid attention to the lyrics of a band like Slayer, for example? Or were you just immediately turned off by how the music made you feel?

I've been involved in the metal scene for well over a decade and find the two genres of music which expose great deals of advanced information are underground hip-hop and metal.

There are also hundreds of bands carrying the torch of classic traditional heavy metal like Iron Maiden.

Ah, Slayer, yes I've paid attention to their lyrics, they tell it like it is; its true, but its presented so as to incite a low-frequency reaction. That is not helping at all. Now, Maiden, AWESOME.

I've been involved in the Metal scene for about two decades now, and I'm right with you on exposeing information. As I am sure you know, there's different kinds of metal, and I am so very glad that good bands like Maiden are still around, especially with all the super-low-frequency stuff thats taken over through the years.

[eternal_spirit]

though many people who were never even exposed to higher frequency musical works due to the ever inreasing refusal to promote it are amazed and absolutly LOVE it once turned on to it!!!

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I think there's maybe, musicians who work for the PTTB, who create music for nefarious reasons and know it's a science, which can be manipulated to create and effect specific emotions in the listener.

Some sounds are said to be able to kill or heal. Music can be used in rituals. More than just the ears, the electromagnetic field of the human body, can be manipulated with certain sounds, notes etc, talk about re arranging your aura, the possibilities are vast, for good or bad.

Depends on your emotional state what music you "feel" like listening to, something you liked a year ago, you'll prefer a different song. Rock, metal is always something I end up going back to again and again, but I do like chilled, ambient sounds, which some can be found in some rock and metal even.

[eternal_spirit]

With Iron Maiden some of the most commercially sucessful songs are bit dodgy and not the best example of there music. Still my fav metal band.

[seer74]

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I think there's maybe, musicians who work for the PTTB, who create music for nefarious reasons and know it's a science, which can be manipulated to create and effect specific emotions in the listener.

Some sounds are said to be able to kill or heal. Music can be used in rituals. More than just the ears, the electromagnetic field of the human body, can be manipulated with certain sounds, notes etc, talk about re arranging your aura, the possibilities are vast, for good or bad.

Depends on your emotional state what music you "feel" like listening to, something you liked a year ago, you'll prefer a different song. Rock, metal is always something I end up going back to again and again, but I do like chilled, ambient sounds, which some can be found in some rock and metal even.

exactly :)

[seer74]

With Iron Maiden some of the most commercially sucessful songs are bit dodgy and not the best example of there music. Still my fav metal band.

agreed :)

[guyblokeman]

I dont always think listening to "Low frequency" metal is a bad thing. Im one of the most peaceful people you`ll find but I still love headbangin to hard fast music.

I also think alot of the messages contained within metal can help people already trapped in the lower frequencies. Appealing to their maybe dark, depressed thoughts, but then educating them (Plug - SlipKnoT ;))

"Stapled shut, inside an outside world, sealed in tight, bizarre but right at home"

[seer74]

I dont always think listening to "Low frequency" metal is a bad thing. Im one of the most peaceful people you`ll find but I still love headbangin to hard fast music.
I also think alot of the messages contained within metal can help people already trapped in the lower frequencies. Appealing to their maybe dark, depressed thoughts, but then educating them (Plug - SlipKnoT ;))

"Stapled shut, inside an outside world, sealed in tight, bizarre but right at home"

hard and fast doesn't always egual low-frequency, though. And I'm not even saying listening to low frequency music is always bad, what I'm observing is the prefference that the metal industry has developed over the years, and I don't think the reasons for it are good. One newer metal band that I do like, is pretty low-frequency for the most part, yet they tell it right on, System Of a Down, love those guys.:) I don't think its very good for one to listen to TOO MUCH low-frequency music, and I think if one does then one really needs to balance it off, and the music INDUSTRY's prefferences these days get more and more off-balance all the time.

[guyblokeman]

Yeh mate, soad fuckin have it:D

I do see what your saying about the image/direction of some bands in the metal scene, but also think this isnt restricted to just metal.

I love all my frequencies:cool:

[seer74]

no, its not just metal, its pretty much the same for music of all kinds. If you look back at my original post you'll notice that I started this thread in response to an off-topic post elsewhere that specifically mentioned metal, and as a musician metal is my genre. I was also getting into how back when metal was WAY more positive than it is now, it got a WAY worse rap than it does now from the mainstream media.

[adramelech]

Have you ever given a listen to these guys?

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=5718

Nice track titles, hm? :D

[seer74]

no, adramalech, i haven't, they sound promising though, and seem quite outside of the mainstream of today's metal. I still have yet to hear what level they resonate on though, I'll need to get my ears on it and let you know.:)

[guyblokeman]

Have you ever given a listen to these guys?

http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&sid=1&id=5718

Nice track titles, hm? :D

Thanks for the link, I`m really liking em:D

[johngr]

Megadeth (Washington is Next) Anti NEW WORLD ORDER - YouTube

The quiet war has begun with silent weapons
And the new slavery is to keep the people
Poor and stupid, "Novus Ordo Seclorum"

How can there be any logic in biological war?
We all know this is wrong, but the New World Order's
Beating down the door, oh something needs to be done

There was a King (evil king) who dreamt the wickeness of dreams
An ancient mystery no prohet could interpret
Of seven years of famine, the wolf is at my door
As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

The word predicts the future and tells the truth about the past
Of how the world leaders were hailed unto Pharoah
The Eighth False King to the Throne, Washington is Next!

Disengage their minds, sabotage their health
Promote sex, and war, and violence in the kindergartens
Blame the parents and teachers; it's their fault, "Annuit Coeptis"
Attack the church dynamic, attack the family
Keep the public undisciplined till nothing left is sacred and
The "have-nots" get hooked and have to go to the "haves" just to cop a fix

I am the King (evil king) who dreams the wickedness of dreams
An ancient mystery nobody could interpret
Of seven empires falling, the wolf is at my door
As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

The word predicts my future and tells the truth about my past
Of how the world leaders are waiting to usher in
The Eighth World Power of modern Rome, Washington is Next!

There was a King (evil king) who dreamt the wickness of dreams
An ancient mystery no prophet could interpret
Of seven empires falling, the wolf is at the door
As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

I am a King and I dream the wildest dreams
And nobody could interpret
Seven empires falling, the wolf is at my door
Oh, that that was, that is, that is no more

There's something at my door
Some ancient mystery
The future tells the truth about the past
I'm the Eighth False King to the throne

Washington is next!

[seer74]

nice Lyric choice, Johngr :D

[seer74]

nice video Megadeath :D thanks Dave Mustaine. I love you. :D

[charles d ward]

Guys, guys, guys...

Agent Steel... for fuck´s sake... :D

http://agentsteelonline.com/intelligence.htm

[johngr]

These guys aren't bad, either.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4EuYlRQof0w

[tb303]

the HAIR BANDS of GLAM ROCK were NOT metal bands!!! LMAO

I dunno, The Crüe were pretty metal.

There's a riff in that Megadeth tune that's straight out of an Iron Maiden tune. Can anyone spot it?

[seer74]

I dunno, The Crüe were pretty metal.



just a little, and only on one album.

[newfiesheep666]

Metal was a big threat to these guts so I think it was decided to turn it around and use the music as an ally.Most of the music was not played in MSM so that meant people were not buyin' the "message" that was proposed to them through radio which is what most younger people listened to bach in the day.There was only a couple of stations on both tv and radio.What we have to do now is the same thing,turn their signals that their tryin' to brainwash us with against "them".THEY control what we have access to and how much we have to pay 4 it.Guess what,GAME OVER,foe those guys.What I can tell by readin' most posts, alot of people do not have access to satellite dishes,if they did everyone would broaden their focus like usin' a telescope or microscope.Most people are not into those things but when you compare those tools with satellite dishes it peaks people's interest.How much does it cost to jump into the world of electro-magnetic waves depends on how much time and money you have.If ya got lots of money it takes no time but if ya got lots of time it takes little money.Sound good?I get most of my dishes through the rubbish because people do not realize their actually throwin' away a useful tool.Would you throw out a micro or telescope if you owned one?I recomend that everyone should get at least a SET of "ears" to expand their personal frequencies.Receivers only cost about 200 bucks canadian each and you can use however many ears you have to connect to one "receiver".Computers are transceivers and most people do not accept this kind of communication being forced upon them.With a receiver you can at least "tune out" and not let them see what you see and hear what you hear.That's exactly what they are doin' to us,modifying the frequencies that we have access to.So now that your at the David Icke party you don't have ta go to their party anymore if you wish.It's all up to everyone because we all have free choice right? Catch everyone on the next wave:cool:

[krakhead]

Wow, so many things I want to challenge in your post. Firstly, your statement about bands not making music with elaborate composition/arrangement - try Dragonforce (within the 'metal' genre) for a start. But I don't want to go down the "I know bands you don't" route! Would you consider that your opinion could be based on the fact that when you first listened to this music you were less trained/skilled in playing than you are now, since your skills have improved and can now see how some of what once seemed very complicated now appears easy almost mediocre, and that, as you've got older, you've lost touch with a scene you would have been fanatical about as a teenager?

It appears to me (and this has already been touched on) that, when any musical 'movement' makes an impact on younger minds, great efforts are made to demonise/ban/ridicule it in an attempt to discredit it (look to the Elvis 'crotch shot' outrage - I'm sure there are earlier examples as well), once it becomes apparent that this won't put people off listening to it the 'mainstream' co-opts and re-creates it in a softer-edged, glossily packaged version which it can control easily to take the 'danger' out of it. Look at the changes over recent years in hip-hop culture, the original 'outlaws' are on minor labels (Public Enemy) , dead (Tu-Pac) , or have (publicly anyway) changed/softened their ideologies to enable them to sell lots of records (Ice-Cube - his recent movies hardly match his "F**k tha police" attitudes of old now do they?!).

A quick check around t'interweb should confirm to anyone that there's tonnes of music out there right now, possibly more than ever due to low cost home recording, being recorded by visionaries in their chosen genre. Personally, I consider the black metal genre to be one worth checking out for, surprisingly, excellent 'high frequency' music - listen to Nargaroth's - "Seven tears are flowing to the river" on the "Black metal ist krieg" cd - a 15 minute track which I find to be uplifting and powerful! - don't let the corpse paint fool you! Some of the artists working within the black metal genre are exactly that - artists - searching through the 'Other' bringing it back to us in musical form.

You may not find a metal band these days who produces music that you want to hear, but the scene has changed (thankfully) and so (hopefully) have you! But I'm sure you already appreciate it being likely due to the control of what gets out in a mass-media sense than young musicians not having it in them anymore!

My first post here btw - so I'd also like to say hi! :)

p.s. The Crue were WAY metal on every album!! ;)