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deldaley
29-12-2007, 11:22 AM
New super-cameras mean no hiding for drivers who smoke, eat or use a phone
By RAY MASSEY - More by this author »

Last updated at 09:39am on 29th December 2007



Digital speed cameras which capture drivers smoking or eating at the wheel are being introduced nationwide in a new move to hammer motorists.

Drivers will also face fines, bans and even jail for infringements such as driving without a seatbelt, using a hand-held mobile phone or overtaking across double white lines.

The hi-tech DVD cameras, which have instant playback, will also be used to provide photographic evidence against those eating sandwiches or rolling-up cigarettes at the wheel.





The DVD camera snapped a driver apparently steering by his feet

These are now considered serious offences under new guidelines drawn up for prosecutors.

The development will massively increase the number of fines and prosecutions against normally law-abiding drivers for relatively minor offences.

As well as being fined £60 and given three points on their licences, motorists now face two years in jail if their actions are considered to have been a factor in dangerous driving.

Virtually every police force in England, Wales and Scotland is now equipped with the new digital cameras. They were given Home Office approval in April but are quietly being rolled out nationwide.

More than 100 have been sold. The manufacturers have said their order book is full until next April.

The DVD cameras can operate as conventional speed traps. But thanks to the instant playback, they also double up to photograph motorists flouting laws other than speeding.

Set up by a police officer on sites such as motorway bridges, they constantly scan the cars and can digitally record drivers behind the wheel committing a vast array of minor traffic offences.

Crucially the new technology, called Concept, allows officers to play back the footage to locate, view and capture the offence instantly.

Photographs taken using the device show how effective it is, capturing pictures such as a man apparently steering his Renault with his bare feet and the driver of an Alfa Romeo with a mobile phone clamped to his ear.

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This driver was pictured with a mobile phone clamped to his earhttp://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_04/014supercamera2_468x363.jpg


The device is made and sold by Tele-Traffic UK whose chief executive, Jon Bond, is a former police chief superintendent in charge of speed cameras in Warwickshire.

He said: "It is the first camera to record offences other than speeding and give an instant playback.

"If the camera is being used for speed enforcement, but the police officer spots another driving offence being committed - or even thinks he saw something - he can play it back in a second. The offences are easily and quickly detectable."

Mr Bond, whose Warwick-based company employs 20, added: "At present, officers can record an offence such as driving with a mobile phone clamped to their ear or without a seatbelt but would then have to look through perhaps two hours of tape in order to find it again.

"Concept means that those operating the camera can digitally log everything. They are linked to the team in the back office who can instantly find the offence, see the proof and send out a penalty charge notice to the car's registeredowner.

"This will cut down massively on the amount of time police officers have to spend on paperwork and so speed up prosecutions. The days of the police having to chase after people who are infringing the law in these ways are gone. That will make the roads a safer place."

The Concept digital DVD technology costs £17,750. But police forces who already use Tele-Traffic's existing analogue (non-digital) system, can upgrade for a fraction of that price.

Smoking at the wheel was recently included in the Highway Code as something which courts can consider as a factor when police accuse drivers of failing to have proper control of their vehicle.

More than 300,000 drivers a day are still illegally using hand-held phones at the wheel, recent government figures revealed.

The penalties for using a handheld phone while driving, which was outlawed in 2003, were increased in February this year from a £30 fine to £60, plus three penalty points.

Under new sentencing rules, motorists using hand-held mobile phones could be jailed for two years and be disqualified if this was an aggravating factor in dangerous driving.

Those who kill while using a mobile face 14 years behind bars, under a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last October, Mr Bond and his Tele-Traffic team were under fire after admitting to undercover reporters posing as customers that speed cameras were a "scam" and that setting up cameras in new areas was the equivalent of having "a blank chequebook" that would result in "bucketfuls" of cash.

Self-styled Captain Gatso of the campaign group Motorists Against Detection said: "This is yet another example of the Big Brother surveillance society where there's no escape from the cameras." http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_04/014supercamera1_468x364.jpg

asentinel
29-12-2007, 12:28 PM
the list could be very long...:cool:

ennui
29-12-2007, 02:23 PM
I'm in two minds about this.

A couple of years ago I witnessed a car swerve off the road. It flipped over several times and landed upside down in a ditch killing the driver.

The investigation revealed that she'd received a text message a few minutes earlier and was in the middle of replying. It also revealed that she hadn't even attempted to brake, so I don't think her attention was on the road at all.

Maybe if she thought "I'll get in trouble if I use my phone" she might be alive today. I see just as many people use their phones while driving as I did before they were banned.

Having said that I am very uncomfortable with the idea of being watched all the time.

gold
30-12-2007, 08:16 AM
This is ridiculous! Ever tried rolling a fag while your driving??????

ramesees
30-12-2007, 07:57 PM
Under new sentencing rules, motorists using hand-held mobile phones could be jailed for two years and be disqualified if this was an aggravating factor in dangerous driving.

Those who kill while using a mobile face 14 years behind bars, under a charge of causing death by dangerous driving.


Does anyone else see a massive inconsistency here??

14 years in jail for using a mobile phone and killing someone, however I remember cases in the news from only a couple of years ago in which someone was driving a car without insurance etc... and knocked over a child, killed them, yet only got 60 days or so in jail, and that was it.

How and why does this happen, and whats so special about using a mobile phone that warrants a massive hike in the sentance? In both cases a life has been taken, so surely the sentances should be the same?

Bloody country, pisses me off to stay here.

cf24
30-12-2007, 08:07 PM
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/readers/image001.jpg

gold
30-12-2007, 08:08 PM
Does anyone else see a massive inconsistency here??

14 years in jail for using a mobile phone and killing someone, however I remember cases in the news from only a couple of years ago in which someone was driving a car without insurance etc... and knocked over a child, killed them, yet only got 60 days or so in jail, and that was it.

How and why does this happen, and whats so special about using a mobile phone that warrants a massive hike in the sentance? In both cases a life has been taken, so surely the sentances should be the same?

Bloody country, pisses me off to stay here.

I know! I'm not staying here anymore, I've had enough this f***** country and the bloody weather, the bloody government pisses me off and their pathetic bloody control system! I'm off to the next nearest galaxy that will have me:D:D

weston white
31-12-2007, 01:34 AM
I don't think anybody should use a cell phone while driving unless they are doing it via a hands free set. Nobody should be texting while driving at all, do you read while you drive? If you do either one you should just have your license revoked and be forced to reapply and take the tests all over again, pay your paperwork fees, and loose all of your driving experience for your personal insurance deductions. That would be a lesson and a humiliation that you would not want to go through again. But fines and jail time without any actual victim of your “crimes” is ludicrous.

As well I do not think the government should be spying on use with cameras everywhere, especially high tech digital cameras and recordings. I do not need that, I do not want that, I do not approve that, I do not like where that road leads to, ultimately. This is pointless tactics for the sole purpose of generating profits while forcing fear and control over the public.

I do not care that it is in public, it is none of anybodies business to look/stare inside my vehicle through the windows while I am out and about driving. Unless I actually cause somebody else any actual harm, it is not your business, you don’t like that like to put my barefoot on the dashboard, or steer with my feet, or that I don't use my seatbelt, then keep looking straight then and I say to you pay attention to what is going on in front of your own vehicle.

asentinel
31-12-2007, 08:33 AM
It is just another means by which to justify intruding on privacy. Anyone with half a brain would not put themselves and passengers and others at risk this way. However, until an event occurs, are we not all innocent, and deserve privacy from intrusion by these devices?

Minority Report coming.

gold
31-12-2007, 11:07 AM
What can we do about it? Not much, we just have to put up with it fullstop.

char
01-01-2008, 02:18 AM
I like to nibble on food like grapes, pre-peeled tangerines, pre-cut apples, etc. while driving because it keeps me from dozing at the wheel on long drives. If eating while driving was outlawed, I don't know how I would do the long drives! This is crazy.

gold
01-01-2008, 06:27 AM
I spend more time looking at the hundreds of road signs that seem to breed overnight, than I do the road ahead! The mind boggles;

Jane643
02-01-2008, 01:56 AM
They warned us this was going to happen we should take notice of the songs they get us to sing." santa is coming to town"
He sees you when your sleeping, he Knows when your awake, he Knows if you' ve been bad or good so be good for goodness sake......!!!
You better watch out, cause Satans Claws are coming to your town!!!

theninja
02-01-2008, 12:11 PM
As always theirs one rule for us and another rule for them. Police cars & Taxi drivers have radios but that's fine?? when will it end? You will be fined for not having two hands on the wheel soon!!

adzboarder
02-01-2008, 06:51 PM
I hope driving along and smoking a jaybo doesn't become banned, it's one of my favourite pastimes and whiles away the hours on those long trips...

I recommend you pull over to wrap it first though ;o)

adzboarder
02-01-2008, 06:52 PM
Another thing, just how fuckin sleepy do those "tiredness kills - take a break" signs make you feel?

I hate them, they make me realise how tired I am. Bastards, it's almost as if they want us to crash.

adzboarder
02-01-2008, 06:54 PM
I just went on Google Images to find a tiredness kills sign and found this instead which I think is a far funnier sign - LOL

http://www.chrisheller.net/church.jpg

kriss_crow
03-01-2008, 10:32 PM
This is ridiculous! Ever tried rolling a fag while your driving??????

Once I saw the guy rolling cigarette while riding a bike. He needed one hand only.
It was in Holland and it was a windy day, as always :D
i miss this country very much :D