please help me!

[paganus]

i am at war with myself! seems like a battle between what you belive and the nwo.i WANT to be with you! this didnt happen till this forum! i wont start topics till im 'awakened' as it were.help if you can please!:confused:

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[bennett211085]

i am at war with myself! seems like a battle between what you belive and the nwo.i WANT to be with you! this didnt happen till this forum! i wont start topics till im 'awakened' as it were.help if you can please!:confused:

What was it that brought you here in the first place if you dont mind me asking? I ended up here recently after many years of knowing something big was up. The search for answers led me here were all I really found is that almost nothing is certain. Dont know if thats relevent or makes any sense, :o

[paganus]

What was it that brought you here in the first place if you dont mind me asking? I ended up here recently after many years of knowing something big was up. The search for answers led me here were all I really found is that almost nothing is certain. Dont know if thats relevent or makes any sense, :oi got interested in the things david was saying through reading about certain militia groups in the u.s. i was browsing di on the net and found this site

[lizzy]

i got interested in the things david was saying through reading about certain militia groups in the u.s. i was browsing di on the net and found this site

Finding out that everything you thought was true is a lie and coming to except that will be one of the hardest things you will ever do , especially if you are not a natural rebel or sceptic.
Finding out all wars in the last 2 centuries have manufactured for maximum profit from BOTH sides.
That our gov. engineered 9 / 11 and 7 / 7.......
That are liberties are being removed so they can control totally.
That they want a mass population reduction, medicine makes you sicker, food has no nourihment, water is poison...
the moon landings were faked..
all stck market moves are manipulated.....
that the Fed Reserve / IRS....are tools that enslave.
HAARP, morgellons, mind control ELf waves....
It just does'nt end.....you just keep finding out more and more shite....
Don't look away....Go with it......
At least you will die KNOWING.......your friends and family might think you've lost it.......but really you have found it.????
kind regards,
lizzy

[paganus]

Finding out that everything you thought was true is a lie and coming to except that will be one of the hardest things you will ever do , especially if you are not a natural rebel or sceptic.
Finding out all wars in the last 2 centuries have manufactured for maximum profit from BOTH sides.
That our gov. engineered 9 / 11 and 7 / 7.......
That are liberties are being removed so they can control totally.
That they want a mass population reduction, medicine makes you sicker, food has no nourihment, water is poison...
the moon landings were faked..
all stck market moves are manipulated.....
that the Fed Reserve / IRS....are tools that enslave.
HAARP, morgellons, mind control ELf waves....
It just does'nt end.....you just keep finding out more and more shite....
Don't look away....Go with it......
At least you will die KNOWING.......your friends and family might think you've lost it.......but really you have found it.????
kind regards,
lizzyi do tend towards rebellion and am interested in sub-cultures.just think im suffering information overload! feel like neo in the matrix movie!

[lizzy]

i do tend towards rebellion and am interested in sub-cultures.just think im suffering information overload! feel like neo in the matrix movie!

oh, ok. LOL
now that's typical.
everyone has to get that, it's just soooo much to grasp .
I lapse in and out of that every so often, especially when i am getting into some new area.
The last time it hit was when I started to research Morgellons, ..it blew my mind.
good luck paganus

[paganus]

oh, ok. LOL
now that's typical.
everyone has to get that, it's just soooo much to grasp .
I lapse in and out of that every so often, especially when i am getting into some new area.
The last time it hit was when I started to research Morgellons, ..it blew my mind.
good luck paganusthank you!:)

[otto vollov]

I also thought that I needed help several years ago. I was waking up to completely new insights and they didn't go along with the general concensus. People can be so harsh when they don't want to be awakened. I found some of Icke's books to read and began putting the pieces together. I had no idea at all that it would all lead to where I find myself today. Its the nature of exploration I suppose. When I was in that uncomfortable place I kept myself occupied with plenty of research. Now the puzzle makes more sense, though there's still a long ways to completion.

Good luck on your journey.

[wolfchild]

excelent lizzy! that was bang on there!
just how i would of posted it' and (yes) just more shite you end up finding out!!!

[indigolion]

My first post in this forum...
I post bcos I have a similar issue with things...

And for me it does not appear to be just information overload, its a bit of that, but its something else...its something affecting my psyche too, but i'm not sure what.
For a while it felt like I had lost grip on reality, I had no idea what reality is, nothing to hold on to, no reference point so to speak.
It sounds mild posting it, but its pretty heavy intense stuff...Anyhow, I have gone through all that to realise now, that my only reality is me. Weird eh?!!, well that's what its come to, the only thing that remains constant is me and my neurosis, trying to hold on to anything else is futile, cos there's nothing else, it keeps changing and shifting, down to the people close to me, family and friends (or rather my perception of them), the only person I can count on, I mean really count on, is me.

Everything else, all the information and knowledge I continue to collect forms a vast endless sea of data, and there I am swimming in it. Trying to cling to anyone of them causes much havoc to me senses, to my psyche, as the other data collected demand to be resolved, to be looked at, to be acknowledged, and so I must let go the shoreline that is the reality I want to cling to, and drift into the sea of realities and endless data, holding on only to my own ass, as my psyche will not have it any other way.

It doesn't help that not many around me is into this stuff, and those who are have a different take, just like in this forum, everyone has a different take on things, though we're all hearing the same different stories. Then comes the frustration of ones take on things not being understood... but maybe that's just me.

Anyways, I feel strange a lot these days, the fact that i'm mending a broken heart puts a spin on things that threaten my very sanity, but lets leave that for another day and perhaps another forum...

Anyone else out there tormented somewhat or going through something not normal... something..?????

[otto vollov]

Hi indigolion,
Welcome to the forum. I thought your post was a bit like I felt a while ago. We know we've got the right information, but its really difficult to maintain when others are critical of us and at the same time aren't willing to put forth the effort to research what it is we're saying.

Most people can't believe anything these days unless it comes to them by the TV. All of the media is controlled to such a degree that anything outside of the norm is scoffed at.

Sorry state of the planet we live on I think. Hang in there and you will start to come around to feeling better about it all.

[seer74]

paganus and indigigolion, it MAY be that the problem your experienceing or part of it is that as you are becomeing more aware you are being subject to ELF attacks to scare you back into your box. I was the target of ELF attacks for many years and in fact still am, they just don't work on me anymore. In fact ELFs are directed toward me even at this very moment more of the time than ever in an increased effort to subdue my consciousness BECAUSE they don't work anymore. the manipulators seem to hope that if the ELFs aren't working on you that more ELFs will be more effective. I promise you that if you are persistant in your will to expand your consciousness that these attacks will become less effective against you in time. Why only just a month ago ELF attacks would disrupt my Astral Projections like it was nothing. Now the ELFs come and I am aware of them but they don't effect me. It used to be that whenever I was makeing any major progress I would be hit with ELFs and be completley unable to get out of my body. Now they can't stop me, I can project at will; and yet whereas before they only came when I was at a turning point of some kind they are now constant but they just don't get to me the way they are meant to.
My intuition is telling me that most likely ELF attacks are what's getting to BOTH of you. Don't let them get to you. They are constant in this dimension, but if you "keep your eyes on the prize" they will in time lose their ability to mess you up. DO NOT fear!!!!

infinte divine peace and love to you

[emanuel]

torment is only felt by those who would rather go back to sleep, it is easier after all. I dont think you have info overload, I think it is just your brain re-programming itself. You may find it uncomfortable and a bit of a struggle, like swimming against the current. Now you are in the water (congrats by the way) don't fight it, play in it, go with the flow so to speak, you won't sink. Trust me.

[zarah]

For a while Ive been feeling really disconnected with everything that's going on around me, I'll go through the motions and appear normal but inside Im separate if that make's sense.


Indigolion, I feel like you do..like it's almost impossible to hang on to anything concrete. Im hoping that it becomes clearer for us in time..stay strong :)

[zarah]

paganus and indigigolion, it MAY be that the problem your experienceing or part of it is that as you are becomeing more aware you are being subject to ELF attacks to scare you back into your box. I was the target of ELF attacks for many years and in fact still am, they just don't work on me anymore. In fact ELFs are directed toward me even at this very moment more of the time than ever in an increased effort to subdue my consciousness BECAUSE they don't work anymore. the manipulators seem to hope that if the ELFs aren't working on you that more ELFs will be more effective. I promise you that if you are persistant in your will to expand your consciousness that these attacks will become less effective against you in time. Why only just a month ago ELF attacks would disrupt my Astral Projections like it was nothing. Now the ELFs come and I am aware of them but they don't effect me. It used to be that whenever I was makeing any major progress I would be hit with ELFs and be completley unable to get out of my body. Now they can't stop me, I can project at will; and yet whereas before they only came when I was at a turning point of some kind they are now constant but they just don't get to me the way they are meant to.
My intuition is telling me that most likely ELF attacks are what's getting to BOTH of you. Don't let them get to you. They are constant in this dimension, but if you "keep your eyes on the prize" they will in time lose their ability to mess you up. DO NOT fear!!!!

infinte divine peace and love to you

I know I sound super ignorant, but what's an ELF attack?

[emanuel]

I'm not sure what ELF stands for but it must have something to do with the mass mind control techniques used to keep everyone at bay I think....

[paganus]

I'm not sure what ELF stands for but it must have something to do with the mass mind control techniques used to keep everyone at bay I think....on wikipidia it said its sometype of broadcast frequency.so yeah,probably a weapon to disrupt brain-waves

[alice1111]

Paganus dollink,

I hope it is helpful to know that you are not alone in your feelings. ELF=Extremely low freqency (waves). It has a depressing, confusing, & anger producing effect and can cause more duality or fighting amongst ourselves. It can give the feeling of who gives a s^%*.
I do believe that we are going through an awakening that is threatening to the 'powers that be' and so they will do anything in there power to bring us down.
There is nothing wrong with you or your beliefs.
I am hopeful that this will not work for them and do believe that we have a better chance now than ever to bring ourselves back to who we really are.
These can be very challenging times, lots of changes going on. Be extra good to yourself.

Love,

Alice