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oiram
28-12-2007, 10:52 AM
Satan & his Evil loves to destroy what ever has to do with Human Moral laws
Who are the people Now; which like to remove the Basic Human Moral Laws?
WHAT IS WRONG IN ROME :confused: :mad:

The Ten Commandments: Laws for the Heart
Full Artical: http://www.writtenintheheart.org/article.php?id=36&search=agree
I was standing in a public park in Boise, Idaho, enduring freezing December temperatures with a crowd of approximately 200 other people who had gathered to celebrate God, country, and a stone monument of the Commandments displayed in that same park. Inspired by the actions of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore last August, when he defied a higher court’s ruling to remove his two-and-a-half-ton Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building rotunda, a loose coalition of Boise Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Mormons rallied in Julia Davis Park as a statement that “we don’t want our stone tablets to suffer the same fate as Moore’s.”

My presence at the rally was prompted not so much by a desire to see the monument remain where it was, but by a greater desire to understand the motives of those who, like Roy Moore, believe that the secular courts are contributing to the downfall of society by legislating that Ten Commandments monuments be removed from public property. “Roy’s Rock,” as his monument has been dubbed, and the religious and political firestorm it has created, have brought new attention to an old but enduring law. At prayer rallies, in magazine articles, and on Web sites, devotees are decrying the removal of these monuments as a slap in God’s face and as another evidence that our nation is “slouching towards Gomorrah.”
The Crosses and Ten Commandments
Full Artical: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/june04/04-06-23.html
The supervisors of the great Los Angeles County decided to turn tail and run rather than fight a lawsuit threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Why such weak-kneed response? Lawyers for the county ominously warned that the county might lose the case and have to pay the ACLU's attorney's fees.
The ACLU is demanding that the county remove a tiny cross from its seal, one of nearly a dozen symbols it portrays. One need only look at the seal to see how ridiculous is the ACLU's demand.
A third of the seal and the centerpiece is the Greek goddess Pomona standing on the shore of the Pacific Ocean. The ACLU doesn't object to her; portrayals of pagan goddesses are okay.
In northern Minnesota, the Duluth city council voted 5 to 4 to acquiesce in the ACLU's demand to remove Ten Commandments monument from public property because the city couldn't afford to pay the legal costs of defending the monument plus the ACLU's legal fees. Redlands, California likewise backed down after the ACLU threatened a lawsuit to force removal of a cross from part of the city logo.
Similar lawsuits could challenge "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, since the U.S. Supreme Court ducked deciding the issue this week in the Michael Newdow case. There are 16,000 public school districts that could become targets of lawsuits to ban the Pledge.
DuBord said that was missing the point.
Full Artical: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53141
"I’m not debating the generic use of all tablets as representing any law, but the two tablets that are shaped identical to those on the oak doors, being held by Moses on the Eastern Pediment, and right next to his face on the eight ornamental metopes that decorate the great hall. To conclude that these tablets on the oak doors are different from the same tablets represented as the Ten Commandments in nine other places on the U.S. Supreme Court building is just plain and simple oversight and logical denial. "

He also contested the comments that all of the figures and representations stand for "secular" law.
"The truth, however, is that, once upon a time, the Ten Commandments had a huge interplay with American government and law," he said.
The North Carolina Supreme Court, for example, in a 1917 decision, said, "Our laws are founded upon the Decalogue, not that every case can be exactly decided according to what is there enjoined, but we can never safely depart from this short, but great, declaration of moral principles, without founding the law upon the sand instead of upon the eternal rock of justice and equity," he noted.
"I'm not trying to win a debate with you. I'm only a rural mountain pastor, who is trying to set the record straight, completely," he wrote. In that vein, he said, he was admitting one mistake of his own.
The Snopes article is: "Religious symbols and references abound in U.S. capital buildings and the words of America's founders" while the TruthOrFiction item is "Evidences of Faith in the Buildings, Memorials, and Forefathers of the United States-Truth!, Fiction! & Unproven!?"
Snopes did not respond to a WND request for comment. TruthOrFiction e-mailed WND asking for elaboration on the question, but then did not follow up.
Removing the Ten Commandments from public buildings
Full Artical: http://www.rateitall.com/i-730032-removing-the-ten-commandments-from-public-buildings.aspx
I'm strongly for leaving ten commandments in the public buildings, I'm christian my self and by removing ten commandments, crosses, under God(from The Pledge Allegiance), In God We Trust(from money) only tells me that atheists want God out of USA and I will fight for my rights, my bulieves and for not removing God out of USA.

God Bless America!

Not an important issue to me. Removal is generally seen by people on the right as a defeat at the hands of the increasingly strong atheistic (freedom from religion crowd) faction. Seen as a minor victory by those successful in accomplishing their removal, as in: it's about time. Things like this should be done on a local referendum basis, keeping the federal judges out of them, in my opinion. Local elected judges, who can be ousted from office, should decide things like this, not aloof, untouchable federal magistrates who are appointed for life. Decision makers should be accountable to the people whenever possible.
"RESIST NOT EVIL" by Fritz Springmeier
Full Artical: http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/articles/manna73.htm
The issue in their minds is a doctrinal issue, but in reality it is a spiritual issue of their hard hearts. I have attended most every kind of church of Christendom, and have asked more than my share of questions of these churchgoers. I can safely say that very few Christians base their lives on the Scriptures, even the ones who claim they do. (In fact, in all my life as a Christian, I have yet to meet anyone who would submit to the power of God’s word. What I mean by this is that there are men who have boldly proclaimed to me that they fulfill scriptures, but when I have pointed out commandments that they ignore the simple power of God's word has no effect upon them. Instead, they either get angry and make excuses or some other prideful response. It is clear to me that most Christians have no idea of what they put YHWH God through. The pride and hard heartedness of mankind is incredible.)
The Bible, The Christian, And Patriotism
Full Artical: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/tabor/bibledoctrine.9.html
The greatest patriot of all history was the Lord Jesus Christ. He loved His people, the Jews, and He loved His nation, Israel. In Matthew 23:37-39 Jesus mourned for the Jews and for Jerusalem. He mourned for them because they rejected Him, and they rejected the Word of God. Because of their rejection of truth, Jerusalem would be destroyed, and the Jews would be taken into slavery. Matthew 23:37-39, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, (a total rejection of divine truth) how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (They were negative to divine truth) Look, your house is left to you desolate (empty, the glory of God was not dwelling in the Temple as He did in the past). For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

When we came into the world, the world was filled with evil, and when we leave this world, it will still be filled with evil. The only impact we can make while we are here is the impact through the learning and application of the Word of God. Therefore, to the believer in Jesus Christ the issue should never be social evils and social issues (no matter what they may be), but the issue should be Bible doctrine in the soul. Whenever the believer reaches spiritual maturity, he becomes a part of the solution to all social problems and social evils, and, at the same time, become a solution to other national problems as well.
FAITH UNDER FIRE
Ten Commandments stunner:
Feds lying at Supreme Court (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52895)

High court limits
Commandments (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45014)

Don't you agree that all this accelerating strange action over the last years is a good indication that Satan and his Evil followers are on there last desperate breath!

zero1
28-12-2007, 03:00 PM
Satan gets a bad rap. Everyone blames him for their troubles instead of looking to themselves and their own Karma. "It sucks being me" is Satan's most justified complaint. Plus, Lucifer is not Satan in the sense of the Devil. Lucifer was the Bringer of Light, the Lemurian King of the World. He was a hero who liberated mankind from his first nightmarish dark age 250,000 years ago. He was the first Buddha, or Enlightened One/Illuminist. The false and foolish Saint Jerome made him a fallen angel in Christian theology, and so everyone thinks he's the same as the Devil, or Satan, which is not so...it's just evil Catholic saint propaganda. Am I rambling? Am I off-topic? If so, sorry. I'll admit I didn't read all the OP. I'm tired...sorry. Bye.

:(

octopusrex
28-12-2007, 05:05 PM
Lucifer aka:

Hermes Trigamestus (sp?)
Prometheus

Somebody who steals the "light/dope" of the Gods for ordinary mankind.

Perhaps not too wise, but certainly pro-human.

Satan aka:

Adhamra
Ariman
Dajjal

Means bascially "adversary" and serves the primary purpose of accuser of mankind. A kind of "Judge" who don't much care for humans.

My opinion.

zero1
28-12-2007, 05:57 PM
Lucifer aka:

Hermes Trigamestus (sp?)
Prometheus

Somebody who steals the "light/dope" of the Gods for ordinary mankind.

Perhaps not too wise, but certainly pro-human.

Satan aka:

Adhamra
Ariman
Dajjal

Means bascially "adversary" and serves the primary purpose of accuser of mankind. A kind of "Judge" who don't much care for humans.

My opinion.

You're not wrong, because all of these associations have been established in antiquity, for sure.

It's just this; from my research, it is apparent that the figure of Satan has his origin in Sumerian culture, then Babylon, but crystalized in the form of Ahriman in the Zoroastrian religion, which is probably where the Jews got him from.

Now, before that, you had the Agharta and Shambhalla traditions inherited from the era of Atlantis and Lemuria (respectively). Neither of these traditions originally postulated an opponent of God, and the Shambhalla tradition was Goddess-centric anyway.

Ask yourself, what is Satan accusing Man of? Is it infidelity of some kind?

The whole "fallen angel" malarchy is Latter-day religious stuff, IMO. That's all I'm saying. It is an attempt to reconcile Man's debilitated and fallen nature with a schematic of the Divine that is not correctly understood in most cases.

It can be confusing. All I know is, Lucifer might mean something terrible and diabolic now, in the modern religious context, but it wasn't always so.

optimus pigpot
29-12-2007, 12:39 AM
Satan is a human construct just like god and science..

All bollocks11

blue
29-12-2007, 03:42 AM
satan last spotted throwing a halloween party.....

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/1011_satan_at_party.jpg

zero1
29-12-2007, 01:31 PM
satan last spotted throwing a halloween party.....

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/sohail84/1011_satan_at_party.jpg

Lol! :D

octopusrex
29-12-2007, 05:46 PM
Last night I had a revelation about "Lucifer".

Lucifer = Hermes Trigamestrus = Prometheus.

Prometheus is punished by having bird eat his entrails.

Loki is punished by tying him up with his own entrails.

Hyranyakasipu is punished by choking him with his own entrails.

The entrails is the keyword. They are all one and the same.

zero1
29-12-2007, 11:03 PM
The entrails is the keyword. They are all one and the same.

:confused: Profound...I think.

octopusrex
30-12-2007, 06:58 PM
The point I guess is that Prometheus, Loki and Hyraniakasipu all suffer from envy of the "Big Boss", Zeus, Odin and Krsna.

dude111
14-12-2010, 04:19 PM
Satan is only bad and evil IN THE MINDS THAT SAY HE IS!!

Its the same as athiests saying GOD doesnt exist. (Doesnt change anything)

People can say SATAN "is evil" but they dont know for sure! (Like athiests dont know 100%)

drael
14-12-2010, 04:42 PM
I think its a natural human trend towards non-religous deism, secularism and to a lesser degree buddhism, wicca, spiritualism, ba'hai etc - thats stopping your religious dogma from being taken as "basic human morals" so much anymore.

Religions dont tend to live forever, they tend to be absorbed by newer faiths and veiwpoints, especially as the society changes (as the west has alot).

If thats satan, then satan is simply basic human nature.

Trust me, if you want ur religion to survive the secular modern day crunch, ull have to make it far simpler and more universal, with less judgements/dogma. Id probably forget about the ten commandments - this one "thou shalt not worship any other god but me" is likely to cause alot of people to be put off. (not to mention all that talk of satan and hell). Id stick to the basics like "love thy neighbour as thyself", "let he who has not sinned" and "build your house on stone" etc - if i wanted christianity to thrive in the new enviroment. (lets face it, not only is love thy neighbour simpler than the ten commandments, its far more positively oriented)

Or if you want to go where christianity is getting stronger, leave the west and go to africa. (if indeed your religion being popular for some reason matters to you).

Because in the west, religion in general is fading. And whats surviving this crunch has a theme - universal, simple, doesnt require a church, not dogma heavy or strict (and in the case of wicca, nature oriented) etc.......If your not willing to adapt to the changing needs of people (ie living religion), of course the religion will recede.

Mo0n5tar
14-12-2010, 05:37 PM
Satan is only bad and evil IN THE MINDS THAT SAY HE IS!!

Its the same as athiests saying GOD doesnt exist. (Doesnt change anything)

People can say SATAN "is evil" but they dont know for sure! (Like athiests dont know 100%)
Human and moral laws have a very tenuous link with reality, so does this idea of Satan, so I would deduce do you;)

drael
14-12-2010, 05:52 PM
Last night I had a revelation about "Lucifer".

Lucifer = Hermes Trigamestrus = Prometheus.


Probably Raziel (sp?) the archangel is closer to prometheus in the humanity gift aspect. Raziel shared the secrets of magic with man, and yahweh punished him by making him spend time on earth. (ie fallen etc)