hare krishna

[pilgrim]

They are many authentic Gaudiya parivars alive and well in Braja and Navadvipa, you were just brainwashed into thinking there was only one or that they were the most important, due to their Jehovas Witness type of fanatical preaching that you have absorbed so very well.
:D
Who do you mean by "they"?
Please tell me who are the authentic Gaudiya-Vaisnavas in Vrindavan & Navadwipa.
If you think i am brainwashed, could you please provide information to help me see the truth?

[mysteria]

Dude...

There are literally millions of Gaudiya Vaishnavas connected to authentic Parivars in Braj, and all over Bengal outside IGM,

you been livin in a bubble too long!

You keep asking for information information and don't address the posts I have already givin,

:p

[mysteria]

I don't THINK you are Brainwashed, I KNOW..

been there done dat..

:rolleyes:

[pilgrim]

I don't THINK you are Brainwashed, I KNOW..
been there done dat..
:rolleyes:
You still have not answered any of my questions.
If you KNOW i am brainwashed, should you not provide information to show me what i have been brainwashed to believe, how i have been deceived and (most importantly) what the actual facts are? Or are you just a merciless person with a superiority complex?

[pilgrim]

Dude...
There are literally millions of Gaudiya Vaishnavas connected to authentic Parivars in Braj, and all over Bengal outside IGM,
you been livin in a bubble too long!

Please tell me, who are these millions of authentic Gaudiya Vaisnavas?
Can you give me any names, temples, places, books, websites, etc?
Maybe i could visit when i go to India in October?

[mysteria]

Are you kidding me....I have already given enough for you to chew on for a while.

And do you honestly think there are no Gaudiya Vaishnavas outside IGM in all of Braja or Navadvipa...you think Gaudiya Math and Iskcon was it..? They are just a small missionary off shoot, and you ask me to give names? You obviously never spent much time in India out side Krishna Balaram temple,

There are 5000 temples in Vrndavana alone you numbskull!

This is too funny, enjoy your bubble..

[pilgrim]

..do you honestly think there are no Gaudiya Vaishnavas outside IGM in all of Braja or Navadvipa...
Obviously not. Otherwise i would'nt be asking for information about them! :rolleyes:

..This is too funny, enjoy your bubble..
What exactly is my "bubble"?

[pilgrim]

You obviously never spent much time in India out side Krishna Balaram temple,
There are 5000 temples in Vrndavana alone you numbskull!

I have briefly visited Krishna-Balarama temple a few times just to see Srila Prabhupada's Samadhi and offer my respects to the deities.
Out of four and a half months in Vrindavan, i probably spent less than 2 hours there! I have had nothing to do with ISKCON for 16 years!
I have visited the original Goswami temples many times, especially Radha-Damodar Mandir and Radha-Gokulananda Mandir.
Why do you assume so much about me and call me abusive names?
Aside from your ad-hominem attacks & straw-man arguments, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
Why don't you answer any of my questions?
Are you a devotee of Lord Krishna?
If yes, why are you attacking me and calling me a brainwashed numbskull?

[mysteria]

Sorry but to even suggest that there are no Gaudiya Vaishnavas outside IGM in India is just plain uneducated,

you a numbskull.

[mysteria]

Here are a few websites on traditional Gaudiya Vaishnavism outside IGM:

http://www.gaudiya.com/

http://www.granthamandira.com/

http://jagadanandadas.blogspot.com/

http://www.jayasriradhe.com/en/

http://www.vilasakunja.net/

http://madangopal.blogspot.com/

http://www.radhasurabhi.com/

http://sharanam.org/

http://ngrs.blogspot.com/

http://jiva.com/culture/index.asp

http://uttama-bhakti.org/

http://soliloquy-of-malati.blogspot.com/

http://www.nitaisundar.com/site/Main.html

http://home.planet.nl/~dijk7364/

http://spirituality.forumup.de/index.php?mforum=spirituality

http://caitanyasympos.proboards55.com/

[pilgrim]

Sorry but to even suggest that there are no Gaudiya Vaishnavas outside IGM in India is just plain uneducated,
But.. i never said that.

Accept my apologies for calling you a numbskull.
Apology accepted.

I don't want to insult you even if we disagree on Siddhanta...
Then.. stop insulting me!

[mysteria]

I'll stop insulting you but you need to wake up and smell the pakoras prabhu

:D

[pilgrim]

I'll stop insulting you but you need to wake up and smell the pakoras prabhu
:D
What assumptions have you made about me that lead you to beleive that i am asleep?
Why don't you awaken me instead of insulting me?
Why don't you answer my questions?

[mysteria]

I think you accept a very watered down missionary version of Chaitanya Vaishnavism, missing out on a much broader richer tradition that IGM has given or this new-fangled version of 'Prabupada Said Sampradaya' quoting his letters thinking his words were the be all and end all of the tradition...

sorry but not even close, check out some of the links I gave you svamiji..

Why don't you answer my questions?

I been answering your questions all day long, who you kidding?

:p

[pilgrim]

I think you accept a very watered down missionary version of Chaitanya Vaishnavism...
Why should i be concerned about the mental speculations of a (obviously) conditioned soul like you?

I been answering your questions all day long, who you kidding?
OMG!.. Are you serious?

[mysteria]

mental speculations...?

gee I'm sorry I apologized, you are a complete robot fanatic!

:eek:

[pilgrim]

mental speculations...?
gee I'm sorry I apologized, you are a complete robot fanatic!
:eek:
What is your basis for saying that i am a "numbskull", "brainwashed" and a "robot fanatic"?
If you are also a devotee of Lord Krishna, why are you attacking me?

[mysteria]

Ok then dude it's on!

BTW,

Your so-called unbroken guru-parampara has huge gaps in like your uninformed baseless arguments based on letters...

:rolleyes:

[pilgrim]

Ok then dude it's on!
What's on?

BTW,Your so-called unbroken guru-parampara has huge gaps in like your uninformed baseless arguments based on letters...
What is your problem?
Why can't you answer any of my questions?

[pilgrim]

Here are a few websites on traditional Gaudiya Vaishnavism outside IGM:

http://www.gaudiya.com/

http://www.granthamandira.com/

http://jagadanandadas.blogspot.com/

http://www.jayasriradhe.com/en/

http://www.vilasakunja.net/

http://madangopal.blogspot.com/

http://www.radhasurabhi.com/

http://sharanam.org/

http://ngrs.blogspot.com/

http://jiva.com/culture/index.asp

http://uttama-bhakti.org/

http://soliloquy-of-malati.blogspot.com/

http://www.nitaisundar.com/site/Main.html

http://home.planet.nl/~dijk7364/

http://spirituality.forumup.de/index.php?mforum=spirituality

http://caitanyasympos.proboards55.com/

Thanks for these links. I have seen a few already. It will take me a while to look at them all, but they look very interesting. :)

[mysteria]

Tell me what questions I missed..? Oh Maha Svamigalji

[pilgrim]

Tell me what questions I missed..? Oh Maha Svamigalji
My questions are in my posts. Read them there.

Your name-calling and sarcastic attitude is very un-vaisnava!

[mysteria]

Your blind acceptance of the "Prabupada Said Sampradaya' is very un-human!

:p:D;)

[mysteria]

My questions are in my posts. Read them there.

Your name-calling and sarcastic attitude is very un-vaisnava!

There are many answers in my posts as well svamigal...

;)

[pilgrim]

Your blind acceptance of the "Prabupada Said Sampradaya' is very un-human!
I am a devotee of Lord Krishna.
Srila Prabhupada has been my spiritual master for 21 years.
How does that make me "un-human"?
(Another question for you to ignore!).

[mysteria]

Just blindly accepting his words as if they were scripture is what I mean...

dont get me wrong, I appreciate him and am grateful for the time I had as his disciple, but I do not see him in such an airy fairy manner as you, I think he made mistakes (some bad ones in fact) and said some things I do not agree with at all, but I still have affection for him...

I have simply moved on and am no longer part of that scene

[pilgrim]

I have simply moved on and am no longer part of that scene
So please leave me alone and move on! :rolleyes:

[mysteria]

Also I should tell you I do not accept Sri Chaitanya in the same manner as you or Gaudiyas do, I believe he was a human being (flesh and blood) and in fact was not a Gaudiya himself (like Jesus was not a Christian)..

There are a fair amount of us that have left your fold who have come to accept that he was an Advaitain Sannyasin embued with Krishna bhakti..as was Sridhar Svamin of Puri whose Srimad Bhagavatam commentary he adored.

:)

[mysteria]

So please leave me alone and move on! :rolleyes:


no no I am here to tell you the one and only truth..

ha ha ha

:D:p

[pilgrim]

no no I am here to tell you the one and only truth..

Which is... ?

[mysteria]

Which is... ?

I'm kidding you silly..

:D

[pilgrim]

I'm kidding you silly..
:D
You are a time-wasting Troll. Goodbye! :)

[mysteria]

your just afraid you address the issues I have brought up, so you want to write me off as a troll...

don't forget now there are huge 'Gaps in the Parampara"

:o

[pilgrim]

***Yawn*** Is that the time already? Goodnight everybody. Hare Krishna!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/EasyPrey/DontFeedTheTroll.jpg

[mysteria]

Prabhupada's amazing miracle of translating the essence of the ancient Vedas to the people of the world and thus revealing the clear path to true spiritual realization, free from all religious dogma will bring about the Spiritual World Order of peace, enlightenment and equality for all on the this planet for 10,000 years!


Oh right, and free from all religious dogma? That is total BS...

Prabhupada has been sent by Krishna [God] to this world to educate all people in the science of self and God realization. He has come to fulfil the desire and complete the work of all the previous representatives, servants, and incarnations of God such as Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha etc.

That is completely delusional,

sorry charlie

:rolleyes:

[pilgrim]

Oh right, and free from all religious dogma? That is total BS...

That is completely delusional,

sorry charlie

:rolleyes:

Here's a thread especially for mysteria to clean up the BS and clear away our delusions as well at to share his enlightening insights and "unlimited evidence" with us:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29348

[mysteria]

You act like everyone here agrees with your numskull fanatical outlook!

:p

[octopusrex]

Easy to loose track here.

We're still trying to save the world from "prison" religions. That's why we came here, right?

But then maybe, the "prisons" are just .. gateways to different realities where
whatever your fondest dreams are they become.

Vaisnava dreams are of playing around with God as their friend. The different rasas of Vaisnavism where God is actually a person who can interact with you, but who also stands in for that unknowable, unthinkable.. etc.

Why worry about who is right? Do your thing. Enjoy your journey.

Eat your Peyote and ...

..so that it harm none, do what thou willt.

[danster82]

Most all religions where started with truth and then corrupted over time. Do you really think religions like Christianity can gather so much attention for thousands of years with no truth to them?

[element]

You are right danster, all contain some truth. You just have to look at the similarities between them, getting your own experiences (with higher self, that lives in your body, the temple) and insights and there is much truth in religions. Sadly, christianity, islam and judaism focus a lot on the negative, that's why lots of western people are fed up with it.

[octopusrex]

The point about the Hare Krsnas though. If you read the Bhagavatam, the Bhagavad Gita, you get into stuff like a poetic lyrical Quantum Physics class. There's lots of very, very, very advanced stuff in there that just give you all the real info on stuff like: space and dimentional travel, the evolution of consciousness, etc.

If you are into Sci-Fi, then the Vedas take you there.

Terrifying stuff, really.

[pilgrim]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[nirvana]

Prabhupada = Good / ISKCON = Bad ("illuminati" controlled)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21PEzuwMSdY&feature=PlayList&p=0C4804BB24004DC4&index=8

The Illuminati are trying to destroy Prabhupada and his transcendental teachings because he is their greatest enemy and the only real threat to their Demoniac New World Order.

Prabhupada has been sent by Krishna [God] to this world to educate all people in the science of self and God realization. He has come to fulfil the desire and complete the work of all the previous representatives, servants, and incarnations of God such as Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha etc.

Prabhupada's amazing miracle of translating the essence of the ancient Vedas to the people of the world and thus revealing the clear path to true spiritual realization, free from all religious dogma will bring about the Spiritual World Order of peace, enlightenment and equality for all on the this planet for 10,000 years!

More Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0C4804BB24004DC4

I am a christian and I have some friends in London who go to The Krishna place in soho. I went there on the weekend did some chanting and had a lovely meal afterwards.Liked the question and answer session afterwards.

[octopusrex]

But try as you might, you cannot deny the corruption of Prabhupad's temples. If the man was murdered, it makes it even more terrible and clear.

In Kali Yuga... Makes sense. Asuras trying to pass off as Devotees.

Solution?

[dedicate]

The solution is that nobody owns Vasnavas or Vedic Wisdom. So what does it matter to you if a demon maniac disguises as BRAMAna. If you don't know the difference between the true Guru and the false, then resort to Krisna himself, and he will show you.

[pilgrim]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[pilgrim]

The Krishna Calling (BBC Documentary 1980)

The Hare Krishna Cult London 1980 - YouTube

[octopusrex]

i am becoming interested in the hare krishna movement.do anyone have any info on them?

Hari Bol, brother.
Good choice.

I recomend you google THE SPOON REVOLUTION for info.
Another google: B.A. Paramadveiti Swami.

[pilgrim]

I recomend you google THE SPOON REVOLUTION for info.
Another google: B.A. Paramadveiti Swami.

A vegetarian website & a bogus guru??


Hare Krsna (aka Gaudiya Vaisnavism):
Gaudiya Vaishnavism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dharmanation]

"B.A. Paramadvaiti Swami". Wonderful and authentic guru. :)

[octopusrex]

A vegetarian website & a bogus guru??


Hare Krsna (aka Gaudiya Vaisnavism):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudiya_Vaishnavism

You wouldnt say that if you knew him.:mad:

[octopusrex]

"B.A. Paramadvaiti Swami". Wonderful and authentic guru. :)

Hari bol!!!;)

[pilgrim]

You wouldnt say that if you knew him.:mad:

Prabhupada never ordered any of his disciples to become Diksha Gurus. He only ordered 'ritvik' priest to initiate devotees as disciples of Himself.
One must be a 100% self-realised soul to take the position of initiating Guru.

[octopusrex]

Prabhupada never ordered any of his disciples to become Diksha Gurus. He only ordered 'ritvik' priest to initiate devotees as disciples of Himself.
One must be a 100% self-realised soul to take the position of initiating Guru.

Prabhupada was more than likely MURDERED by his disciples.
Gurudeva has done a great deal of work to bring back folks who were scared away from ISKON.
His temple building is worldwide, and the name of Krsna is in many joyful mouths thanks to him.
Dont mess with my guru.