do you belive in the protocals of the elders of zi

[paganus]

if you do,you support,at least in princible,Hitler.discuss!

[paganus]

suppost to say Zion!

[hagbard_celine]

if you do,you support,at least in princible,Hitler.discuss!

Not at all. I'll explain:


The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion, in the form that we know them, are fake, but they might have been inspired by a real document. The original publisher of the Protocols was Sergei Nilus. Material from the Protocols appeared a few decades earlier in several fictional novels: “Biarritz” by the anti-Semitic postman-turned-Prussian-spy Herman Goedsche; and the French book Dialogue in Hell Between Montesquieu and Machiavelli by Maurice Joly. I believe that Nilus and the other authors had access to an original document from which they transcribed their forgery. This original unknown document will have been by the REAL Illuminati. The Illuminati are NOT Jews, it’s pretty obvious that that is so, but Nilus might well have decided to publish a fake version of this unknown Illuminati document to falsely vindicate his own bigotry.

Is that possible? Well, to answer that I had to carry out an experiment to test whether it is possible to transcribe an Illuminati document on how to take over the world, to make it look like a Jewish document on how to take over the world. To test this I decided to try such a transcription in reverse: I took the Protocols as we know them and turned them into a non-Jewish document. It is astonishingly easy! Try it yourself if you have copy of the Protocols. I just changed the words “Jews” and “Zion” into “The Olympians” (The Illuminati probably don’t call themselves "the Illuminati"; “Olympians” is one of the words it’s been suggested is their real name). I then changed the words “Goyim” and “Gentiles” into “Sheeple” (This is just a guess, the Illuminati probably have some other derogatory word for the masses). So by just carrying out a couple of word replacements the document has totally lost its Jewish flavour. I imagine it is a document like this that was unearthed by Nilus. If you read it, it sounds like an old-fashioned version of “Silent Weapons For A Quiet War” or “Report From Iron Mountain”.

It would be an interesting experiment to take “Silent Weapons…” and see if it is possible to transcribe it into a hypothetical anti-Semitic document as easily.

Here's some extracts from my own revised version:

PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE OLYMPIAN COUNCIL OF THREE HUNDRED

PROTOCOL No. 1
1. ....Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.
2. What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the SHEEPLE...

.....The SHEEPLE are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown stupid on classicism and from early immorality, into which it has been inducted by our special agents - by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the SHEEPLE. In the number of these last I count also the so-called "society ladies," voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury...

....THE OLYMPIANS WILL BE SAFE
11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot...

...15 Ever since that time we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favor of that KING-DESPOT OF THE BLOOD OF OLYMPIA, WHOM WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE WORLD.

[eternal_spirit]

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their
>>> perception.
>>>
>>> Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
>>>
>>> We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the
>>> connection between us.
>>>
>>> We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion
>>> alive. *Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to
>>> never bring suspicion upon?
>>> ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as
>>> they occur.
>>>
>>> We will always stand above the relative field of their experience
>>> for we know the secrets of the absolute.
>>>
>>> We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and
>>> secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.
>>> We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while
>>> pretending to do the opposite.
>>>
>>> We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways
>>> so they will never see what is happening.
>>>
>>> We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food
>>> and water, also in the air.
>>> They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.
>>>
>>> The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will
>>> promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them
>>> more poison.
>>>
>>> The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they
>>> will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.
>>> From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will
>>> conceal this information.
>>>
>>>
>>> The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in
>>> what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.
>>>
>>> We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.
>>>
>>> We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and
>>> musical tones.
>>>
>>> Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our
>>> poisons.
>>>
>>> They will see our products being used in film and will grow
>>> accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.
>>>
>>> When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their
>>> children and convince them its for their help.
>>>
>>> We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target
>>> their children with what children love most, sweet things.
>>>
>>> When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill
>>> their mind and steal their future.
>>>
>>> When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create
>>> medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for
>>> which we will create yet more medicine.
>>> We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.
>>>
>>> They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us
>>> for help, we will give them more poison.
>>>
>>> We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so
>>> they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract
>>> them with fornication, external
>>>
>>> ?pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of
>>> it all.
>>>
>>> Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they
>>> refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology
>>> into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.
>>> We will establish their governments and establish opposites within.
>>> We will own both sides.
>>>
>>> We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.
>>>
>>> They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their
>>> toil.
>>>
>>> Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure
>>> always, for it is the way.
>>>
>>> We will make them kill each other when it suits us.
>>>
>>> We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.
>>>
>>> We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to
>>> think and how.
>>>
>>> We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are
>>> guiding themselves.
>>>
>>> We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
>>>
>>> When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by
>>> ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.
>>>
>>> We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own
>>> children.
>>>
>>> We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our
>>> friend.
>>>
>>> The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that
>>> from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy
>>> killing each other.
>>>
>>> They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as
>>> long as we see fit.
>>>
>>> We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for
>>> they cannot see us.
>>>
>>> We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.
>>> We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is
>>> accomplished.
>>>
>>> We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images
>>> and sounds.
>>>
>>> We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> The tools will be provided by their labor.
>>>
>>> We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.
>>>
>>> We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all
>>> one. This they must never know!
>>>
>>> They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always
>>> think they are not equal.
>>>
>>> Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.
>>>
>>> We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise
>>> total control over them.
>>>
>>> We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little
>>> freedom they will have.
>>>
>>> We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever,
>>> keeping them and their children in debt.
>>>
>>> When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and
>>> present a different story to the world for we shall own all the
>>> media.
>>>
>>> We will use our media to control the flow of information and their
>>> sentiment in our favor.
>>>
>>> When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects,
>>> for they are less than that.
>>>
>>> They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
>>>
>>> We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will
>>> promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have
>>> for they are not of us.
>>>
>>> The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated
>>> to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of
>>> these groups will think they are one with?
>>>
>>> us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for
>>> they will turn against us.
>>>
>>> For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great
>>> titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will
>>> they receive the light and travel the stars.
>>> They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their
>>> own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This
>>> they will never know.
>>>
>>> The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be
>>> able to focus on it until its too late.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will
>>> never know they are our slaves.
>>>
>>> When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them
>>> will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in
>>> self-delusion.
>>>
>>> When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.
>>>
>>> Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have
>>> established from time immemorial.
>>>
>>> But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then.
>>> THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.
>>>
>>> If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will
>>> take action.
>>> The ONLY Way to defeat them is The Plan
>>>
>>> They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do,
>>> we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we
>>> are once the veil has fallen. Our
>>>
>>> ?actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down
>>> and no person shall give us shelter.
>>>
>>> This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our
>>> present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many
>>> generations and life spans.
>>>
>>> This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from
>>> heaven to earth came.
>>>
>>> This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER,
>>> EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it
>>> will spawn will release the fury of
>>>
>>> ?the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from
>>> whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity
>>> itself.
>>>

[hagbard_celine]

I don't know about that "Unveiling them" site. It could be just made up. But doesn't it sound like the Loomies eh?:eek:

[times7]

The Protocols Of the learned elders of Zion are no doubt a prophecy in certain ways,to many things have happened in the last 100 years that the Protocols of Zion spelled out in 1897,weaving spell

BUT

The Protocols of Zion are flawed because they do not mention the country people call Israel

It is known that a "sect" of Jews were plotting to take over Palestine and set up a country people call Israel,this is a historical fact that dates back eons and was well known in the 1800s long before the Protocols surfaced,but the protocols make not a mention of this,not a word


So the Protocols of Zion while powerful and True on many counts,do not predict the plans for the Jewish people

It must also be said the Protocols do reveal the vileness of atheistic JEWS who hyjacked the Russian goverment and caused a Christian Genocide of 60 MILLION RUSSIANS,as well as spreading communism to CHINA,Eastern Europe and 2/3 of the WORLD
(marxist zionist pigs like Chomsky)

The main Truth of the Protocols of ZION,are GLOBAL GOVERMENT(100%) TRUE

to be ruled by one

Antichrist

[madthumbs]

The Bible is fake, but TPTB still use it on us.

[times7]

The Bible is fake, but TPTB still use it on us.

The eternal soul is REAL

The bible has been corrupted,no doubt but it does speak a lot of Truth

For example, the Bible speaks of the prophecy of Israel,and this in modern times will decide the fate of the WORLD

After all, Russia is arming Iran with REAL fire power

btw

The TPTB want to burn the New Testament because it speaks about the secret(revelation)

The TPTB have even banned the words Merry Christmas thats how fanatical they are at the mention of the words

Jesus Christ

Dont be an idiot fool and think the brotherhood promote the teachings of Christ



.................................................. ............

just like the Protocols of ZION,say they will "try" to forbid Christ with their agents
(David Icke ?)

[allieoops]

Yes, I believe these Protocols are authentic and were written by Rothschild and the other heads of the Illuminati families (13 men). But, this has nothing to do with agreeing with Hitler, who was an extremely evil man.

It was leaked out by a disgruntled Illuminati member, so a cover story had to be issued.

If you've read them all the way through, there's no denying that whoever wrote them is extremely intelligent...... but they are absolutely chilling.

William Cooper stated that they were written to deceive, just in case they were ever exposed to the public. You need to substitute the word "Illuminati" every time the word "Jew" is used, and the word "sheep" or "cattle" for Goyim. I also think that there's one other substitution for another of the words used, but I'll have look it up.

This is actually the Illuminati's plan for the NWO, and as far as I can see, they've accomplished many of their plans already.

Everyone says that the protocals are "forgeries".....but, forgeries of what? And also, whoever wrote these had to have spent an incredible amount of time on them (I've read that they were written over a long period of time, and each protocal took several meetings to put together and finalize). Would someone really go to that much time and effort other than the Illuminati? Maybe....but, I don't believe that.

Well...that's my two cents worth....I would actually love to believe that they were forgeries or fake, but I don't.

[raffles]

Yes, i also believe the protocols are genuine.
If that document is a fake then who ever wrote it must have been able to see into the future.
Or it could be as david icke would say "just a coincedense, nothing to worry about"

[hagbard_celine]

William Cooper stated that they were written to deceive, just in case they were ever exposed to the public. You need to substitute the word "Illuminati" every time the word "Jew" is used, and the word "sheep" or "cattle" for Goyim.


That's basically what I did, see above. What amazes me is that for a supposedly Jewish document there is no reference to Jews or Judaism at all apart from the words "Jew" and "Goyim"; there is no reference to Jewish poeple, holidays, rites or holy places.

[ninja17]

The Ultimate Truth, that the psychopaths at the top of the pyramid have chosen to use the Jews for a special role in unleashing a great culling of the human population. The idea that there is a great Jewish conspiracy is the cover story put out by the psychopathic pathocrats to cover their own plans. There is a conspiracy, but it isn't Jewish; it is pathological.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-of-the-Psychopath-s-Trade-Make-Us-Believe-that-Evil-Comes-from-Others

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20060

[allieoops]

Hagbard,
Thanks for your posts, I always enjoy reading them. I agree with what you've written regarding the Protocals. What still amazes me is that so many continue to believe the document is anti Semitic, but then won't take the time to really research to find out the truth about such an important document. They're just willing to take it on face value and get caught up in the hatred (which is exactly what the Illuminati wanted after it was leaked).

The reason I believe that Rothschild wrote them (or at least helped to write them) is the financial genius written into Protocals 20 - 23. When you study this man and also the complete history of the Rothschild's take over of control of the entire world's money, he was brilliant, but evil.

If you can read the Protocals with an open mind, some of their plan would be wonderful for our country, if implemented by good leaders (the flat tax, etc.)....but, of course, most of their plan is completely tyranical and will be horrible for us if it comes about.

Here's a link for a good write-up on the Protocals:
http://www.rense.com/general41/prot.htm

[madthumbs]

Some people mistake the mind control effect of religion for fulfillment of religious prophecy.

[times7]

If you can read the Protocals with an open mind, some of their plan would be wonderful for our country



you were talking idiocy when you wrote the above words



btw

The reason the Jews were killing each after the Bolshevik revolution was because of the plans for Israel,its unspoken but its there,its very important people understand this



The financial plans of the protocols of zion are the "system" we live under

50 years ago,one parent went to work,now in 2008 both mum and dad are at work and they still cant pay the bills,the protocols said in 1897 they will raise wages but its just an illusion because the cost of living will get higher,higher,higher

No private property = slavery,this is what the protocols are spelling out,world wide revolution,GLOBAL goverment,attack on the family unit,lower living standards,this is what the "cold war" was about

people think the cold war was about how many Nukes Russia or the USA had,the protocols of Zion spell out the cold war in FULL

IE

Take away private property rights

atheism is their control system

Forbid Christ

[eternal_spirit]

WORLD CONQUEST THROUGH WORLD JEWISH GOVERNMENT
THE PROTOCOLS
OF THE LEARNED ELDERS
OF ZION
Visiting "The Protocols" (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/prvisit.htm#VISITING)

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Preface (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#PREFACE)
Introduction (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#INTRODUCTION)
Who are the Elders? (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#WHO)
Protocol I The Basic Doctrine (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%201)
Protocol II Economic Wars (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%202)
Protocol III Methods of Conquest (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%203)
Protocol IV Materialism Replaces Religion (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%204)
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%205)
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%206)
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%207)
Protocol VIII Provisional Government (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%208)
Protocol IX Re-education (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion3.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%209)
Protocol X Preparing for Power (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#protocol%20No.%2010)
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#protocol%20No.%2011)
Protocol XII Control of the Press (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#protocol%20No.%2012)
Protocol XIII Distractions (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2013)
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2014)
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2015)
Protocol XVI Brainwashing (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2016)
Protocol XVII Abuse of Authority (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion6.htm#protocol%20No.%2017)
Protocol XVIII Arrest of Opponents (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion6.htm#protocol%20No.%2018)
Protocol XIX Rulers and People (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion6.htm#protocol%20No.%2019)
Protocol XX Financial Programme (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion6.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%2020)
Protocol XXI Loans and Credit (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion7.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%2021)
Protocol XXII Power of Gold (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion7.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%2022)
Protocol XXIII Instilling Obedience (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion7.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%2023)
Protocol XXIV Qualities of the Ruler (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion7.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%2024)
Back to Table of Contents/ . . . (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#TABLE%20OF%20CONTENTS)

PREFACE

(Translated by Victor E. Marsden)

The author of this translation of the famous Protocols was himself a victim of the Revolution. He had lived for many years in Russia and was married to a Russian lady. Among his other activities in Russia he had been for a number of years a Russian Correspondent of the MORNING POST, a position which he occupied when the Revolution broke out, and his vivid descriptions of events in Russia will still be in the recollection of many of the readers of that Journal. Naturally he was singled out for the anger of the Soviet. On the day that Captain Cromie was murdered by Jews, Victor Marsden was arrested and thrown into the Peter-Paul Prison, expecting every day to have his name called out for execution. This, however, he escaped, and eventually he was allowed to return to England very much of a wreck in bodily health. However, he recovered under treatment and the devoted care of his wife and friends. One of the first things he undertook, as soon as he was able, was this translation of the Protocols. Mr. Marsden was eminently well qualified for the work. His intimate acquaintance with Russia, Russian life and the Russian language on the one hand, and his mastery of a terse literary English style on the other, placed him in a position of advantage which few others could claim. The consequence is that we have in his version an eminently readable work, and though the subject-matter is somewhat formless, Mr. Marsden's literary touch reveals the thread running through the twenty-four Protocols.
It may be said with truth that this work was carried out at the cost of Mr. Marsden's own life's blood. He told the writer of this Preface that he could not stand more than an hour at a time of his work on it in the British Museum, as the diabolical spirit of the matter which he was obliged to turn into English made him positively ill.
Mr. Marsden's connection with the MORNING POST was not severed by his return to England, and he was well enough to accept the post of special correspondent of that journal in the suite of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales on his Empire tour. From this he returned with the Prince, apparently in much better health, but within a few days of his landing he was taken suddenly ill, and died after a very brief illness.
May this work be his crowning monument! In it he has performed an immense service to the English-speaking world, and there can be little doubt that it will take its place in the first rank of the English versions of "THE PROTOCOLS of the Meetings of the LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION."

[drael]

Well never read em, but just starting too. A few small things so far....

Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism (Evolution), Marxism (Communism), Nietzsche-ism (Socialism). To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

Evolution actually favours competition, which the elders supposedly dont want us to have, theyd rather we were communists. Neitzsche was pro personal power, probably the biggest figure in pro-personal power philisophy in modern history.... Surely the person responsible for the success of a philosophy, would know something about it?

On one hand, they say that theyds rather keep us dumb, as communistic thinkers cause that lends us to be followers and less powerful. On the other hand they claim to aim to want to destroy liberalism, and have it known that equality is a lie. Which is it, do they want to educate us and give us the power inclination to war with them, or do they want us "dumb" and therefor under their control? (Seems for their agenda, the best option would just be to kill us all?)

I can smell a philosophy that sounds vaguely familiar. Im not sure i really smell an agenda yet. So far, the strategy seems confused, or at least to me it does.... Oh well, ill keep reading...

But first general impression... nah dont think theres much to it.

The idea of a NWO, as in complete mindcontrol etc, just doesnt make any psychological sense to me. Dominance is enjoyed when expressed - ie like a bully or CEO. A system that doesnt express any dominance, because the dominance is total and complete is no fun for the pscychopath. Wheres the fun in pushing someone round if they like it? Imagine for example, pulling apart a butterfly, pulling off its wings. Where is the enjoyment? in seeing the little creature stop moving. Ur power, u created it (plus also love and life are facinating anomlies to the psychopath). Now if the little butterfly, just ripped its own wings off, or seemed to enjoy it, or carried on living, the satisfaction would be gone for this person. There must be some room for us to move or feel in this mind prison, otherwise we may as well be either dead, or simply robots....

[allieoops]

times7,
I'd appreciate it if you're going to quote me, that you do it fairly and print the ENTIRE quote. You left out the rest of my sentence: "if implemented by GOOD leaders (the flat tax, etc.)."

So...you're calling the idea of a flat tax "idiocy"?

You also left off the rest of what I wrote regarding the Protocals: "but, of course, most of their plan is completely tyranical and will be horrible for us if it comes about."

If you're going to disagree with someone (which I don't mind and actually respect your right to do so), do it fairly and don't try to print a small portion of what I've written so it's taken out of context.

As to the rest of your post, you show your complete ignorance regarding the Protocals. You've fallen for the deceit that those who wrote them counted on and hoped that the "sheep" would fall for. These have nothing to do with the Jews. Read them again and substitute the word "Illuminati" for the word "Jew" for the entire document. Then maybe you'll start to see what they have planned and what they hope to accomplish.

We can only hope that enough people wake up to their plan in time to thwart it.....but things don't look too hopeful, because unfortunately many still believe everything they see or hear on the news and then turn a blind eye to the truth.

[manchurian_candidate]

How can we EVER be safe if they are poisoning EVERYTHING!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[times7]

As to the rest of your post, you show your complete ignorance regarding the Protocals. You've fallen for the deceit that those who wrote them counted on and hoped that the "sheep" would fall for. These have nothing to do with the Jews. Read them again and substitute the word "Illuminati" for the word "Jew" for the entire document. Then maybe you'll start to see what they have planned and what they hope to accomplish.

We can only hope that enough people wake up to their plan in time to thwart it.....but things don't look too hopeful, because unfortunately many still believe everything they see or hear on the news and then turn a blind eye to the truth.



Is it ignorance to speak the Truth and point out that that the Jews hyjacked the Russian goverment in 1917 and caused a bloodbath of milions ? slaughtered close to a 1/4 million priests,burned churches and kept the synagogues open and their first act in power was make it a death penalty to be "anti semetic" to call a Jew a Jew ?
(this should be taught in schools)

Im not saying every Jew is involved,after all, the Bolshevik Jews did start killing each other in the in an orgy of violence(over the plans for Israel) but atheist Jews had a massive influence in promoting communism and its still going on today and that is just the plain TRUTH

So the Jews need to start speaking out against atheistical Marxism or they are part of the problem

I can spot Jews on this site,you normaly find them attacking christian beliefs just like many Jews have done since the time of Christ,Just like the protocols say they will
(the tribe of Judah)

Not every Jew is Tribe of Judah,there are 12 Tribes to Israel



btw


Drael




Neitzsche was an agent,who promoted filth and attacked morals,promoted atheism and was a pervert

If you cant see that universties promote filth,you are BLIND

[times7]

times7,
I'd appreciate it if you're going to quote me, that you do it fairly and print the ENTIRE quote. You left out the rest of my sentence: "if implemented by GOOD leaders (the flat tax, etc.)."



allieoops


The flat tax means someone who is a cleaner making next to nothing pays the same % tax as someone making billions,thats not fair IMO



I did misquote you though,so point taken


btw




leading bolsheviks were against the state of Israel being formed,they were following the protocols of Zion,to the letter

[allieoops]

times7,
Again, you miss the point regarding the Protocals being a Jewish document which is obvious by your continuous references to Jews and their history when speaking of the Protocals. The Protocals are an Illuminati document, NOT a Jewish document. You need to stop making that mistake, and maybe you'll begin to understand what they really are.

A flat tax would be MUCH better for Americans than our current corrupt income tax system. Finally the very rich would have to pay their share, which would amount to extremely large amounts of money. The middle class wouldn't have to be paying the majority of the income tax. I agree with you that those with low incomes who haven't had to pay any income tax previously wouldn't be happy.

[times7]

times7,
Again, you miss the point regarding the Protocals being a Jewish document which is obvious by your continuous references to Jews and their history when speaking of the Protocals. The Protocals are an Illuminati document, NOT a Jewish document. You need to stop making that mistake, and maybe you'll begin to understand what they really are.



I am not saying all Jews are involved but many people who call themselves Jews are are,thats just a fact IMO and even Jews have agreed with this,Benjamin H. Freedman for example



Its not my fault the Bolshevik atheistic Jews hyjacked Russia burned down churches and kept the Synangogues open and are to blame for the biggest genocide in history,its was atheist Jews following the protocols of Zion that spread communism to China,Eastern Europe,Africa and caused over a 100 million deaths,only an idiot fool(or coward) would ignore this reality

who controls the media ?

Who controls the banks (GOLD) ?

Who spread communism all over the WORLD ?


see link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9EfVE2l4U&feature=related



Jesus speaking to a group of Jews: "I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father. They answered him, "Abraham is our father."

Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did. ... You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is you are not of God."


another link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EII5Km3jN3U





I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.

[times7]

John 20:19
So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9EfVE2l4U&feature=related







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EII5Km3jN3U

[mynameis]

You mean that also describes this book?

Protocols of the Elders of Zion

From SkepDic.com

"The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. They fit it now." --Henry Ford, 2-17-21, whose newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, cited the Protocols as evidence of an alleged Jewish threat until at least 1927

"To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion...." --Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the Jews for the country's ills. It was first privately printed in 1897 and was made public in 1905. It is copied from a nineteenth century novel (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the world.

The basic story was composed by a German novelist and anti-Semite named Hermann Goedsche who used the pseudonym of Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from another writer, Maurice Joly, whose "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing Napoleon III. Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of introducing Jews to do the plotting to take over the world.

The Russians used big chunks of a Russian translation of Goedsche's novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and claimed they were authentic. Their purpose was political: to strengthen the czar Nicholas II's position by exposing his opponents as allies with those who were part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world. Thus, the Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.

The Protocols were exposed as a forgery in 1921 by Philip Grave, a correspondent for the London Times; by Herman Bernstein in The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete Exposure, reprinted with introduction by Norman Cohn (Ktav Publishing House, New York,1971); and Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey and the Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (London : Press Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies,1920).

The Protocols were published in a Michigan newspaper owned by Henry Ford. Even after they were exposed as a forgery, Ford's paper continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later used the Protocols to help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during World War II.

The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is still cited by certain individuals and groups as the cause of all their woes.

[dondaz]

Mr. Marsden's connection with the MORNING POST was not severed by his return to England, and he was well enough to accept the post of special correspondent of that journal in the suite of H.R.H., the Prince of Wales on his Empire tour. From this he returned with the Prince, apparently in much better health, but within a few days of his landing he was taken suddenly ill, and died after a very brief illness.

See my sig:rolleyes:

leading bolsheviks were against the state of Israel being formed,they were following the protocols of Zion,to the letter

If bolshevik leaders were against Israel being formed, how could they be following the protocols to the letter? Zionists want an Israeli (police)state to keep the middle east de-stablised, amongst other things. People of the Jewish faith are still being massacred by the zionist controlled wars over their. Zionists are not of the Jewish faith. This is obvious to anyone who has done their research and is honest about it!

[times7]

See my sig:rolleyes:



If bolshevik leaders were against Israel being formed, how could they be following the protocols to the letter? Zionists want an Israeli (police)state to keep the middle east de-stablised, amongst other things. People of the Jewish faith are still being massacred by the zionist controlled wars over their. Zionists are not of the Jewish faith. This is obvious to anyone who has done their research and is honest about it!

Dondaz

because the protocols of zion dont mention Israel,the leading Bolsheviks saw the creation of Israel as causing a problem to their goal of world wide revolution which was the plan of the protocols of zion

Trotsky changed his tune towards Israel in the 1930s,its well known that Stalin was anti Israel untill his death,just like all of the leading Bolsheviks were

It seems the atheistic Bolsheviks were not in on the full plan,they were used

It seems that Albert Pikes letter dated 1871 was the REAL plan which states that Israel was created to be destroyed,maybe this is why Israel is on the news day in day out and wars in Chechnya,Sudan are mostly ignored,putting Israel on the news incites hate for Israel and makes people wish for a leader(Antichrist) to destroy Israel

The illuminati only care about world power from Jerusalem,Israel is a pawn in the game and we all know pawns are made to be sacrificed

Israel is a side issue,Zionism is about the world


btw

In my view the toilet called Israel should never of been created,this will end in tears

[damagedbrainn]

See my sig:rolleyes:



If bolshevik leaders were against Israel being formed, how could they be following the protocols to the letter? Zionists want an Israeli (police)state to keep the middle east de-stablised, amongst other things. People of the Jewish faith are still being massacred by the zionist controlled wars over their. Zionists are not of the Jewish faith. This is obvious to anyone who has done their research and is honest about it!

The Protocols are fake...a hoax...propaganda created by Russian authorities to stigmatize Jews because they, at the time, were a threat to the Czarist rule. Due to the mistreatment and persecution which Jews received under the dogmatic Russian Christian Orthodoxy, the Jews sought to overthrow this authority, or at least liberate themselves from it.

There were two groups which held this goal: Zionists and Bolsheviks. Long story short, the Bolsheviks won. Once they came to power, their goal then became to assimilate the entire population of the Soviet empire into a Nationalist identity...meaning that they wanted everyone to identify themselves only as "Soviets" and nothing more. That goal required the eradication of all other identities, including "Christian" and "Jew". Zionism is in conflict to that goal, since it places Jewish identity above any other...You can't create a Soviet identity when you have a group of people who still desire to create a "Jewish" state constructed of Jewish culture. Therefore, the Bolsheviks sought to eliminate or suppress the existence of Zionism as well as the practice of Judaism in general, including the language of Hebrew and Yiddish.