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zarah

06-03-2008, 08:13 AM

The Rwandan genocide of the early 90's didn't happen. The Bosnian massacre didn't happen. Gazan civilains aren't being delilberately murdered by Israel. The holocaust didn't happen as we're indoctrinated to believe.

Out of the four sentences above, only one is against the law in certain countries. That very fact should cause rational, altruistic people to question the reasons. All the evidence I've read with an unbiased head, has inidicated that we've been lied to, so why the continued prohibitation of investigation? Two words - Zionists and Israel.

And while Im ranting, rather than spend vast amounts of money sending schoolchildren to concentration camps in Poland, to show them 'human suffering', as was asserted by some idiot MP in the Independent the other day, why not send them to Gaza where the Palestinians have been promoised their own 'holocaust'.

raffles

06-03-2008, 08:23 AM

Good point zarah, send the kids to palestine so they can see a real life holocaust in action.

mynameis

06-03-2008, 09:34 PM

Yeah this should be a red flag for anyone, we can say anything we like about any other event in history no problem.
But yet this is the only topic that can land people in prison, why ? cos its a big fat lie they don't want exposing. its as simple as that.

The reason is a whole world was at war. Opening up the floor about the acts of war and the genocide/democides are tantamount to starting the beginnings of another world ideological/actual war. The Catholic teachings in schools of Europe were full of racist beliefs and theo-politcal ideology for the fomenting of racism, and in particular the destruction of a particular groups of people. For the sake of this kind of intellectual debate it's better not to stir up the stupids. Those who want to lie about or deny actual history to further their nazi-like political agendas. Leave the debate to the credentialed. Tell a "Big" enough lie and the "People" believe the lie, and not the truth. By this logic Obama is a Muslim and McCain is a choir boy.

paganus

06-03-2008, 09:57 PM

The reason is a whole world was at war. Opening up the floor about the acts of war and the genocide/democides are tantamount to starting the beginnings of another world ideological/actual war. The Catholic teachings in schools of Europe were full of racist beliefs and theo-politcal ideology for the fomenting of racism, and in particular the destruction of a particular groups of people. For the sake of this kind of intellectual debate it's better not to stir up the stupids. Those who want to lie about or deny actual history to further their nazi-like political agendas. Leave the debate to the credentialed. Tell a "Big" enough lie and the "People" believe the lie, and not the truth. By this logic Obama is a Muslim and McCain is a choir boy.incorrect.if the reason it cant be debated is because 'the whole world was at war' then it would be illegal to debate aspects of the first world war.but its not.i can legally debate the number killed at the battle of the Somme or Ypres for example.

peachped

06-03-2008, 10:12 PM

Tell a "Big" enough lie and the "People" believe the lie, and not the truth.

That is what has been happening, people have believed the big lie,and people questioning it are thrown in jail.

mynameis

06-03-2008, 10:12 PM

incorrect.if the reason it cant be debated is because 'the whole world was at war' then it would be illegal to debate aspects of the first world war.but its not.i can legally debate the number killed at the battle of the Somme or Ypres for example.

We can agree to disagree. And I can call you out and still say you're wrong too.

mynameis

06-03-2008, 10:14 PM

That is what has been happening, people have believed the big lie,and people questioning it are thrown in jail.

The lie works either way. I would say the lie about Palestine is working in disfavor. The other one whereas people say about the holocaust and the reasons behind World War II can kill people based on the ideology. That's not acceptable political ideology. I don't believe the holocaust is a lie. You're free to believe how you wish, but do it in public not anonymously like a coward. If you get locked up for your beliefs then move to a place that doesn't lock you up.

zarah

06-03-2008, 10:21 PM

The lie works either way. I would say the lie about Palestine is working in disfavor. The other one whereas people say about the holocaust and the reasons behind World War II can kill people based on the ideology. That's not acceptable political ideology. I don't believe the holocaust is a lie. You're free to believe how you wish, but do it in public not anonymously like a coward. If you get locked up for your beliefs then move to a place that doesn't lock you up.

What lie about Palestine? And what is 'disfavour'? What isn't an 'acceptable political ideology'? In what way do you not believe the holocaust is a lie? Do you accept everything about it you are told without question? If so, why?

peachped

06-03-2008, 10:22 PM

I don't believe the holocaust is a lie. You're free to believe how you wish, but do it in public not anonymously like a coward. If you get locked up for your beliefs then move to a place that doesn't lock you up.

Lol! Remarkable.

seanx

06-03-2008, 10:24 PM

Zarah wrote:

The Rwandan genocide of the early 90's didn't happen. The Bosnian massacre didn't happen. Gazan civilains aren't being delilberately murdered by Israel. The holocaust didn't happen as we're indoctrinated to believe.

Out of the four sentences above, only one is against the law in certain countries. That very fact should cause rational, altruistic people to question the reasons. All the evidence I've read with an unbiased head, has inidicated that we've been lied to, so why the continued prohibitation of investigation? Two words - Zionists and Israel.

And while Im ranting, rather than spend vast amounts of money sending schoolchildren to concentration camps in Poland, to show them 'human suffering', as was asserted by some idiot MP in the Independent the other day, why not send them to Gaza where the Palestinians have been promoised their own 'holocaust'.

That is a good point. It is, of course wrong that it cannot be
debated and discussed rationally and with an open mind. And a
disgrace that such laws exist. ( though, unfortunatley, most people
use such debates as opportunites to further hate between the races)

It is also a good point that children should be sent to Gazza so
that they can see the evil that man is capable of and that is done
there.

But here is MY problem; Why don't we sent them to BOTH camps
- so that children will know that all of us - ALL peoples are capable
of such evil.

That we all share a common humanity - and that evil is not just
a jewish trait, an American one, a palestinian or a chinese one -
but a human trait that we all share when we lose touch with our
common humanity.

paganus

06-03-2008, 10:30 PM

zarah

06-03-2008, 10:36 PM

Zarah wrote:

That is a good point. It is, of course wrong that it cannot be
debated and discussed rationally and with an open mind. And a
disgrace that such laws exist. ( though, unfortunatley, most people
use such debates as opportunites to further hate between the races)

It is also a good point that children should be sent to Gazza so
that they can see the evil that man is capable of and that is done
there.

But here is MY problem; Why don't we sent them to BOTH camps
- so that children will know that all of us - ALL peoples are capable
of such evil.

That we all share a common humanity - and that evil is not just
a jewish trait, an American one, a palestinian or a chinese one -
but a human trait that we all share when we lose touch with our
common humanity.

Your point that all people are capable of evil is a valid one. I disagree that schoolchildren should go anywhere near any Polish concentration camps to reinforce how heinous a place the world can be. There's plenty of places that could demonstrate the depths of depravity to which humans have stooped to in the last few decades: Japan's a pretty big one, or Vietnam, Iraq's genocide has been going on a while.

In my opinion, there's only one reason British and French (I think) schoolchildren are being impeled to visit Polish camps, and this is the reinforcement of the holocaust story, a story which has to be continually perpetusted to legitimise the Jewish state.

paganus

06-03-2008, 10:38 PM

i hear theres a mcdonalds inside the gates of Aushtwitz.its a damn theme-park!

damagedbrainn

06-03-2008, 10:44 PM

i hear theres a mcdonalds inside the gates of Aushtwitz.its a damn theme-park!

Oh please. Where in the world did you hear that?

Not only would there be an outrage if such a thing were true, I'm also sure that visiting Auschwitz doesn't leave one with an appetite for a Happy Meal.

mynameis

06-03-2008, 10:48 PM

What lie about Palestine? And what is 'disfavour'? What isn't an 'acceptable political ideology'? In what way do you not believe the holocaust is a lie? Do you accept everything about it you are told without question? If so, why?

The war on the Palestinians has been ongoing, and the state thereof should be and has been illegal from the beginning. Without an initial formal declaration of war, the European settlers in the region pushed the indigenous population from their lands.

I question everything critically, without using passionate pleas for this or that cause. Why is it so important for you to have us believe your unfaithful rendition of historical falsehoods, that have been well documented by historical field experts in both Britain, Germany, Israel, and the United States? By you, whereas all those experts can be considered as wrong?

This allows anyone credence to the speculation that such revisionist believers are mentally inferior and easily manipulated. The inability to think dispassionately and critically on the spot as well ass hypocritically lax attitudes toward finding errors in pro-Nazi historical revisionism, of which there are hordes. This leaves me questioning the motives of the individuals who are not credentialed, who are bringing up this garbage from the onset.

damagedbrainn

06-03-2008, 10:51 PM

Your point that all people are capable of evil is a valid one. I disagree that schoolchildren should go anywhere near any Polish concentration camps to reinforce how heinous a place the world can be. There's plenty of places that could demonstrate the depths of depravity to which humans have stooped to in the last few decades: Japan's a pretty big one, or Vietnam, Iraq's genocide has been going on a while.

In my opinion, there's only one reason British and French (I think) schoolchildren are being impeled to visit Polish camps, and this is the reinforcement of the holocaust story, a story which has to be continually perpetusted to legitimise the Jewish state.

American children are never sent to visit the concentration camps, yet Americans are far more "Pro-Israel" than most of Europe.

peachped

06-03-2008, 10:51 PM

Re McDonalds, I think one big whopper would be enough for anyone. ;)

paganus

06-03-2008, 10:52 PM

Meanwhile, the efforts to gain equal validation for other persecuted and oppressed peoples ("from Cambodia to Chechnya, from Russia to Rwanda, from Kosovo to Kurdistan, from Armenia to East Timor") presage "the Herbal Holocaust targeting marijuana," the "Body-Image Holocaust," the "ferret holocaust." Reich's subversiveness lies in her refusal to award sole legitimacy to any one agenda. Every mission myopically pursued can become whacked out; every character, whether seeking validation, compensation or justice, is seen through the same withering lens. She forces us to take note when our desire for "never again," for memorializing, becomes the museum, becomes the tourist attraction, becomes the kitsch. There's an ice cream stand at Auschwitz and a McDonald's next door to Dachau. Are we that far from Birkenau key chains and Sobibor coasters? Let's tread carefully in this post-Sept. 11 age.

paganus

06-03-2008, 10:53 PM

my apologies.its an ice-cream stand.the mcdonalds is at Dachau

nickatnoon61

07-03-2008, 12:30 AM

We can agree to disagree. And I can call you out and still say you're wrong too. yes, but people are waking up and are on to the gatekeepers who do not want the truth to come out!

intruder

07-03-2008, 12:38 AM

it's peculiar you know. Primo Levi, the famous survivor of Auschwitz who eventually suicided was actually employed by the Nazis to ply his trade as a chemist in Auschwitz.

lizzy

07-03-2008, 12:59 AM

i hear theres a mcdonalds inside the gates of Aushtwitz.its a damn theme-park!

yes , it's called the mcabre burger .....:eek:

nickatnoon61

07-03-2008, 01:07 AM

my apologies.its an ice-cream stand.the mcdonalds is at Dachau So they fill their heads with garbage, and then their bellies with more garbage!

nickatnoon61

07-03-2008, 01:10 AM

In my opinion, there's only one reason British and French (I think) schoolchildren are being impeled to visit Polish camps, and this is the reinforcement of the holocaust story, a story which has to be continually perpetusted to legitimise the Jewish state. BINGO!!!

nickatnoon61

07-03-2008, 01:23 AM

yes , it's called the mcabre burger .....:eek:l :D :D :D

lizzy

07-03-2008, 01:28 AM

American children are never sent to visit the concentration camps, yet Americans are far more "Pro-Israel" than most of Europe.

I think mainstream media has the most to do with that, very little anti - israeli sentiment in US news. Europe is shown far more of the Palistian plight in it's true light.
The History channel is virtually the Holocaust channel.

mynameis

07-03-2008, 01:47 AM

yes, but people are waking up and are on to the gatekeepers who do not want the truth to come out!

There are no gatekeepers to the evidence of the second world war. If you think there is you are being deceived.

megafish33

07-03-2008, 09:53 AM

There's an ice cream stand at Auschwitz and a McDonald's next door to Dachau. Are we that far from Birkenau key chains and Sobibor coasters? Let's tread carefully in this post-Sept. 11 age.

So this means what? That there wasn't a system in place to kill millions of "worthless" people during WW2? Are you for making Gaza key chain and West Bank coaster jokes as well?

'there's an ice cream stand at auschwitz...' lol FFS people... STOP THE PRESSES... :rolleyes:

tothestars

07-03-2008, 12:01 PM

Good to questioning. I have no serious doubt about the extermination of the jews during WWII. Too much eyewitnesses tells about masskillings so i doubt it was all staged. There are things that doesnt fit in and i dont think that all that they say happened really happened.

Anyway why did they kill all those jews?

one of the main reasons are imo ---> It gave them Israel and they could start messing more with the middle-east ! I hope I dont have to tell you why they want to mess up things down there...

btw who believe Hitler was behind all this ? He was just a messed up mind-controlled puppet that did what his mentors told him to do. Look up and see who he dedicates Mein Kampf to.

nickatnoon61

08-03-2008, 12:54 AM

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/ Good website......

nickatnoon61

08-03-2008, 01:04 AM

So this means what? That there wasn't a system in place to kill millions of "worthless" people during WW2?

'there's an ice cream stand at auschwitz...' lol FFS people... STOP THE PRESSES... :rolleyes: Of course there was a system in place that did that and still does that. It's called Zionism!!!! The same forces who create world wars,strife,and suffering.Some are Jews some are Goys.At the levels we can see the majority are Zionist Jews. These Luciferians want to exterminate 3/4 of the world's population! They are implementing that NOW! why do you think I am vegan? The food supply is poisoned, meat is poisoned, water is poisoned,...blah....blah ....blah

nickatnoon61

08-03-2008, 01:10 AM

nickatnoon61

08-03-2008, 01:14 AM

I think mainstream media has the most to do with that, very little anti - israeli sentiment in US news. Europe is shown far more of the Palistian plight in it's true light.
The History channel is virtually the Holocaust channel. YES LIZZY!!! The media which includes TV, is 96% Jewish-owned!

megafish33

08-03-2008, 02:21 AM

At the levels we can see the majority are Zionist Jews. These Luciferians want to exterminate 3/4 of the world's population! They are implementing that NOW!

I can empathized nick. I certainly don't want to be "exterminated," although I probably would have been if I was living at a different time and place. ;)

So, they're what now? Lucifer is their god? Do they worship him? Why? Why would even non-religious(to Judaism) Jews worship that instead of the other guy mentioned in the Torah? Same guy? lol I can certainly see why some may fell that a certain document by the Club of Rome is ummmm... distasteful. But where is the proof to your accusations nick? And HOW are they implementing it? You rave up and down about fluoride. Is this an example? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or put you down, but water fluoridation in and of itself isn't an attempt to kill 3/4ths of the world's population. I've spoken with my dentist and he says that the practice may eventually be phased out in several decades as fluoride works topically anyway, it's not very effective systemically. People can now strengthen their teeth with a NON-fluoride MI paste. I can go down the street and pick up Now Foods Xyliwhite toothpaste as opposed to the Crest Lemon Ice. You don't have to drink soda(which has tons of the stuff in it)-actually I heard Coca-Cola sale's are suffering. I'm researching chemical trail sprays, do you have info on that?

mynameis

08-03-2008, 03:13 AM

Some are Jews some are Goys(Nickatoon's racist epithet for non-Jewish followers).At the levels we can see the majority (majority of what) are Zionist Jews. These Luciferians (blatant attempt at scapegoating without evidence) want to exterminate 3/4 of the world's population! They (Again who does this reference?) are implementing that NOW! why do you think I am vegan? The food supply is poisoned, meat is poisoned, water is poisoned,...blah....blah....blah[/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B]

See this is where Nickatoon gets it wrong. It makes no sense, just like the circular logic he uses.

"If most many Jewish followers are Zionist, and some Christian followers are Zionist, then all Satanists(Luciferians) must be Christians and Jews."

Being a vegan doesn't help you Nickatoon, every pollutant is already environmentally grown into the food chain. If it's not environmentally grown then it's probably factory greenhouse without environmental pollution.

nickatnoon61

10-03-2008, 12:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXqakP9Gbag&eurl=http://widget-72.slide.com/widgets/sf.swf

intruder

19-03-2008, 01:47 PM

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

shadowworks

20-03-2008, 04:29 AM

mynameis

20-03-2008, 04:45 AM

We know something is a miss with the Holocaust theory, evidence for one, its just not there, like a jigsaw with all the corners missing and the middle is cored out.

We have what looks like it could be a Square jigsaw but without any evidence we will never know what happened.

It is reasonable to doubt when there is no evidence, and the scientific default is scepticisms, so why are people surprised when most reasonable people think the story has holes and was put together by a story teller like the 9/11 myth of 19 hi-jackers.

So explain why all the people were branded with tattoos, forced into ghettos without proper medical care, and then systematically murdered before the eyes of the world in these camps? Saying the Nazi's are innocent is like saying there's no CIA it's all made up.

They aren't digging for their health.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&MediaId=183

I'm sure you can just deny these skulls etc.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005145&MediaId=210

Before killing women, the Nazis cut off their hair. Masses of
hair were packed in bags. Twenty kilos, twenty-two kilos, raw
material for German factories. Seven thousand kilograms of hair,
140,000 murdered women. The Fascists traded in death. They made
fertilizers of human bones and delivered them to the Strenn firm.
They sold hair to factories in the nationalized upholstery
industry. Another branch of this same industry, the bandits tore
out dentures from corpses' mouths to get hold of gold teeth. All
such trophies took up the space of 35 storehouses. Here is one
containing spectacles. Even if every tenth inmate wore
spectacles, then how many had to be killed to provide this?
Clothes and underwear of the dead. Who in Germany was to wear the
clothes of the murdered infants? This mass of clothing, this
little frock, 514,843 pieces of men's, women's, and children's
clothing.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005145&MediaId=238

raffles

20-03-2008, 11:00 AM

e7304

20-03-2008, 01:40 PM

So explain why all the people were branded with tattoos, forced into ghettos without proper medical care, and then systematically murdered before the eyes of the world in these camps? Saying the Nazi's are innocent is like saying there's no CIA it's all made up.

They aren't digging for their health.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005130&MediaId=183

I'm sure you can just deny these skulls etc.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005145&MediaId=210

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005145&MediaId=238

There is no doubt that many people were killed. How they died is the great mystery due to the total state position that they were murdered by gas etc. If you use common sense and the conditions Germany endured prior to the end, then disease/starvation really can be seen as the cause. Look at some of the "gas chamber" deaths, as I remember from school. The bodies were all just skin and bone, so much that we , at class, discussed how the gas caused all the body fat to dissappear.

The hair of prisioners was removed because of lice...I am old enough to know stories of kids at my primary school who had to have their heads shaved because of localised lice outbreaks. The local health officials demanded it. It would not have been "deadly" in the 1960's but never the less it was considered "unhealthy" enough to cause the cutting of hair.

In the camps, Thyphus was deadly. If it got out into the population, prison or guards, it brought almost certain death due to the lack of sanitation and malnutrition in the under supplied camps at the end of the war. Lice spread it. Thats why there were delousing chambers and all clothing was removed and stored and like any prison camp, the inmates were given prison uniforms and reguar delousing was carried out.

The cutting of hair and the collection of clothes is one of the weakest excuses for "proof" of the "gas" chambers of zyklon b or mass murder.

Why would a murderous regime. which took people straight off the trains into a gas chamber, do this. Doesnt make sense for the highly efficient military regime. The fact that the clothes were left at the sites with name tags attached show that they were not for the war effort. Stories and they are just that "stories" abound about , jewish skin being used for lampshades, thumbs for switches, fat for soap etc etc. These were the stories for Nuremburg. If people cannot see the ludicrius ideas of this, then so be it.

As far as removing and hoarding clothes from the dead, glasses , dentures etc just look to Britain. Everything was war material...pots pans artificial limbs, it was all needed for "the war effort".

It proves absolutely nothing about "genocide".....but allows the propagandists of the war with plenty of imaginative ammunition.

The fact that these topics cannot be discussed in so many "western" countries but are discussed elsewhere without persecution shows that this is only a western world suppression of ideas. Of course our "enemies" ie muslims love this, so the bullshit goes. Its so easy for the ignorant to forget that there are "muslim" scholars who look at "facts".

Hence it might be amazing, but there are scholars around the world which are not subjected to the "silence" of holocaust" political correctness, as we are in the west.

Why is it that there cant be an open discussion on this....people have to go to the "enemy" Iran...where it is decried as anti-semitism by the west.

THINK....why cant it be discussed OPENLY.

Argh...I get sick of using logic to highlight this.

intruder

20-03-2008, 02:07 PM

THINK....why cant it be discussed OPENLY.

Argh...I get sick of using logic to highlight this.[/QUOTE]

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

intruder

20-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Revisionists have NEVER said that Raul Hilberg, Elie Wiesel, and others shouldn't be allowed to publish. No revisionist has threatened him or anyone else, we would just like the same freedom to publish contrary views.

mynameis

20-03-2008, 02:19 PM

If people cannot see the ludicrius ideas of this, then so be it.

As far as removing and hoarding clothes from the dead, glasses , dentures etc just look to Britain. Everything was war material...pots pans artificial limbs, it was all needed for "the war effort".

It proves absolutely nothing about "genocide".....but allows the propagandists of the war with plenty of imaginative ammunition.

Open theft by the Nazi party. Selective dehumanization of ethnic minorities and the mentally and physically challenged. Inadequate health care. Forced labor and concentration camps. Illegal confiscation to what end. Illegal wars. Military executions and torture. All this tells me a lot. It tells me you're not a very observant student of history. Hitler and pals even gassed his own cousin. Hitler himself was an inbreeder and a good chance he was even Jewish. The nazi peoples were morons and imbeciles. Anyone who thinks that they were anything but special sterling chaps and ladies are completely deluded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlcKE69yNMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1Z59o5rVU

nickatnoon61

20-03-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowworks
We know something is a miss with the Holocaust theory, evidence for one, its just not there, like a jigsaw with all the corners missing and the middle is cored out.

We have what looks like it could be a Square jigsaw but without any evidence we will never know what happened.

It is reasonable to doubt when there is no evidence, and the scientific default is scepticisms, so why are people surprised when most reasonable people think the story has holes and was put together by a story teller like the 9/11 myth of 19 hi-jackers.

INTRUDER SAID:

Great post and your right, the offical story of the holocaust is utter bollocks, its got as many holes as 911
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A half-truth is a whole lie.

NICKATNOON SAID: THIS IS ONLY COMMON SENSE to truthers who have done their homework. I can see why the average drone on the street can believe their programming, BUT WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS SO MUCH OPPOSITION/GATEKEEPING HERE???? WHAT IS THEIR AGENDA???

nickatnoon61

20-03-2008, 07:52 PM

It tells me you're not a very observant student of history.
HIS-STORY???? WHAT AN INSULT TO ANYONE WITH ANY FREE-THINKING ABILITY!!! WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA???? THIS IS THE DIF, NOT ZIO-SKOOL!!!

mynameis

20-03-2008, 11:12 PM

HIS-STORY???? WHAT AN INSULT TO ANYONE WITH ANY FREE-THINKING ABILITY!!! WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA???? THIS IS THE DIF, NOT ZIO-SKOOL!!!

I have no idea what you think is ZIO-SKOOL. My guess is that you don't have an idea what it is either. Is that Eubonics for piss poor grades? Why the all caps, are you upset? Free thinking ability is what I'm using, again why so touchy? Problems with the actual history isn't the problem with the actual events of the holocaust. If you can't disprove it didn't happen, you can't prove it did happen. You have insufficient scholarly examples of experts who are credentialed and published. Get some evidence and take the research to those most willing to complete the research such as you say, like rabbis who are anti-zionist. I'll err on the side of caution by weight of evidence. If you think that all the evidence points toward the Nazi's being sterling examples of humanity you're a deluded idiot. It's a very simple logical leap based on their war crimes evidence, witnesses, and their own testimony.

nickatnoon61

21-03-2008, 07:55 PM

The Ugly Truth
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That ‘Unique’ Jewish Morality
March 20, 2008

It is something I run into more and more, both on a personal and non-personal basis. The questions, the bewilderment, the confusion…people trying to fit two completely irreconcilable ideas together in such a way that it all conforms to the laws of reason. ‘How?’ I hear and read often…‘How is it that the Jews–who call themselves ‘a light among nations’ and who constantly lecture the rest of the non-Jewish world on issues such as genocide, holocaust and whatnot–are so willing to turn a callous eye towards the plight of others, and particularly when those ‘others’ happen to be Arabs, the only real ‘Semites’ in the world?’

Well, the answer is really quite simple actually. A picture speaks a thousand words, as they say, and the above picture explains in a microsecond why the Jews of the world are for the most part silent over the slaughter taking place against the Semitic peoples of Palestine, Lebanon, and Iraq.

Look at the eyes of the man, the deep blue eyes common to European (non-Semitic) Ashkenazi Jews. Consider the other features as well. We have seen his face a thousand times amongst his cousins in the media and whatnot. His name is Shanbo Heineman, a Jew from San Francisco.

Next, look at the wound on his forehead. It was caused by a ‘rubber coated’ bullet fired by one of his own cousins in the IDF operating under orders from headquarters.

By the way, do not let the ‘rubber bullet’ thing fool you. It means nothing. It is simply a plastic coating around a regular lead bullet traveling at 3,000 feet per second and with around 800 foot-pounds of energy PSI behind it. People die from them all the time and the stressing of the ‘rubber coating’ is just a slight-of-hand on Israel’s part in trying to pretty up what is her organically-brutal character. Playing with words and ideas is her specialty and always has been. The Irgun and Stern Gang going into villages and murdering hundreds of innocent civilians is ‘patriotic’ and ‘heroic’ and the Palestinians fighting to protect themselves from being slaughtered is ‘terrorism’.

Anyway, back to our Jewish friend here, Mr. Heineman. He was shot in the head because he dared to follow a higher power, meaning his God-given conscience by protesting the brutality inflicted by Israel against the Palestinians. For this he was rewarded with a bullet to the head. Despite the fact that he survived it, he will be plagued with pain and serious medical problems for the rest of his life. In short, he has been permanently maimed.

And in his eyes you can see the reason why Jews around the world are silent when it comes to what has been done to Israel’s victims in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and elsewhere. In his eyes you can see the fear, no, the TERROR, as well as the sense of betrayal he feels when he figured out in a millisecond that his own people were his own worst enemies, when he realized that they would kill him in a second as if he were nothing more than a cockroach for his willingness to listen to his human conscience instead of listening to his ‘Jewish’ one.

And where is that ‘unique Jewish morality’ speaking out against what was done to him? Where is the ADL and other Jewish watchdog groups? Isn’t his being shot an act of ‘anti-Semitism’? If it were anyone else and the attacker had been another Gentile, we certainly would hear about it.

Unfortunately, Mr. Heineman is a rarity. He is much like those scorpions that are identical to their cousins in every respect except that they carry no poison in their tails, or like the rare pit bull that doesn’t have the same violent tendencies well-known to be part of his breed. Mr. Heineman–like some of his forebearers 2,000 years ago–chose to break from the tribe and follow the path of peace, righteousness and compassion rather than the dictates of that ‘unique Jewish morality’ and in that moment he became a terrorist in the eyes of his rabbis, be they religious or political in nature.

And in one picture that speaks a thousand words, we can see the answers to all those burning questions concerning Jewish ‘suffering’ and ‘persecution’ that has taken place for thousands of years…We see the reason for the deafening silence on the part of those who call themselves the ‘light among nations’ when it comes to the genocide of 2 million–count ‘em, 2,000,000 Iraqi civilians. Whether it is Jews protesting the slaughter of the Palestinians today or whether it was those who dared protest the slaughter of the ancient Canaanites thousands of years ago, the issue is the same–

‘You stick with the tribe, right or wrong, Jew-boy. You don’t ask questions, you follow orders. If your leaders tell you to go and murder a million people, than you DO IT Goddamnit or you will be crushed like a grasshopper.’

On a spring day 2,000 years ago, Jesus of Nazareth rode into Jerusalem in triumph and the Jews there welcomed Him as a king, shouting ‘Hosanna to God in the Highest…Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord’, laying down palm leaves in His path. The Jewish leadership saw this and were incensed, as Jesus’ teachings threatened to free the Jewish people from the grip of their leaders…

…A week later, the same people who welcomed Jesus as a king were calling for Barabbas–a convicted murderer–to be released and for Jesus–a peaceful, righteous man–to be crucified, shouting ‘Let his blood be upon us and upon our children!’ The change was affected by their leaders who went through the crowd, threatening them if they did not ‘go with the flow’.

Today we see the same thing, as Jews all over the world (with few exceptions) are found cheering for the genocide of the original Semitic peoples of the Holy Land, shouting ‘Let their blood be upon us and upon our children!’

Those who do not add their voices to the mad chorus of the mob are rewarded with bullets to their heads, as was the fine man in this picture Shanbo Heineman. He chose to be a human being instead of a Jew and for that he is regarded as a traitor worthy of death.

Ariel Sharon was right in that interview he gave with Amos Oz in 1982. Jewish morality is ‘unique’. It is very different from the moralities of other religions and cultures throughout history. Other religions and cultures recognize a higher power other than that of man, where the rules of right and wrong do not have an asterisk placed next to them noting an exception exists when it applies to certain people. Jewish morality on the other hand is more ‘flexible’ and allows its people to do certain things that other religions prohibit. It maintains a deceptive, silent, insidious, double-minded and contradictory aspect to its character where the golden rule is ‘whatever benefits the Jews is good’. It is the ultimate ‘end-justifies-the-means’ logic and the same reasoning Cain used in killing his brother Abel.

I never thought the day would come where I see eye-to-eye with mass murderer Ariel Sharon on anything, but surprisingly, after careful and honest consideration, I have to agree with him in that interview in 1982 where he said–

“We’ll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality and all the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance…’

…to which I must add a simple yet unequivocal ‘Amen…Let us hear no more of it’

© 2008 by Mark Glenn, Contributing editor, American Free Press Newspaper

www.americanfreepress.net

www.crescentandcross.com

nomorewarsforisrael@gmail.com

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21 Responses to “That ‘Unique’ Jewish Morality”
Ed of St.Lou Says:
March 20, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Their morality consists in anything that benefits them, as opposed to anything that doesn’t benefit the rest of us. They always want it both ways. For us it consists of your damned if you don’t, and your damned if you do. Like I gave an example once, where a group of young Jews, were reported singing anti-Christian songs. But if a group of young Christians had been reported of singing anti-Jewish songs, this probably would have been reported worldwide. According to them if we investigate History, like the so-called Holohoax, they want us arrested, and trialed immediately. If we bitch about their Talmud wanting to kill all of us, than we should be arrested for a hate-crime. If we protest the fact that the nation of Israel attacked an American ship, or that this same nation attacked the U.S. on 9/11, we are branded as anti-semites. But these demons have their allies also. People like Alex Jones. If any thing mentioned above is written on one of his blogs, than that person is banned for his hate speech. Alex is a protector of the barbarian nation that attacked our ship, and murdered 3000 on 9/11. With friends like Alex, why shouldn’t they behave the way that they do.

Sami Joseph Says:
March 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm
I too add: Amen, let us hear no more about it!

Constantine FitzRoy Says:
March 20, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Beautiful piece, Mr. Glenn. As far as Alex Jones goes, I don’t know what to think. Not dealing with the Israeli and Jewish issues forthrightly may be a combination of fear and self-interest in his case. Whatever the case, I’m glad for “Terrorstorm,” which proved to me that 7/7, beyond a doubt, was a false flag operation.
Comment from me, author–I tend to agree with you Constantine…People come at information in different ways and at different times.

walt235 Says:
March 20, 2008 at 11:11 pm
What other group of people is so EVIL that they’ve been run out of countries for centuries, that women and children strap bombs on themselves and die to kill them and major campaigns to eradicate them have happened. (But the Holocaust claims of 6 million are a lie!) Jooz are the most evil group to ever exist and Israel has NO right to exist. Israel is just a front for joo criminals to escape to when they get caught!

Jooz claim to be the ally of the USA, but spy on us. Sell our technology and routinely sell us out. Just like the old joke about military intelligence being mutually exclusive, “Jewish ally” is also mutually exclusive. It will be a great day when this pack of vermin is exposed for the evil parasites they are and hung from the street lights en masse!

perry Says:
March 21, 2008 at 12:10 am
The diagnosis is correct. It has been my experience that good people simply live their life; they never ever speak about morality. If you meet a person who speaks about morality and ethics immediately check your wallet and the rest of your surroundings. Wolves in sheep clothing. So what is the solution? First of all, the tap root of the problem is money. Be wise as serpents in the field of finance and economics. Dry up their funds and you dry them up. It is very easy for super-rich people to treat you like dirt. If you boycott these same people and dry up their funds they will become very … MORAL.

Bas Says:
March 21, 2008 at 12:38 am
I have so much to say, but I’m afraid to say it… Look who runs our Dept of Homeland Security. Look who has the contract to run and control our nuclear weapons. I fear America is going to suffer the same fate as those great Russian and German people in 1917 and 1944 respectively.

Other View Says:
March 21, 2008 at 1:00 am
Jews are a superior people. Arabic culture is very evil. Islam is very evil.
note from me, M Glenn–the author of this comment was too cowardly to leave his or her real email address.

perry Says:
March 21, 2008 at 1:25 am
Their control is awe inspiring. The saving grace is that those who play with a stacked deck begin to lose their edge. The ancient jews and greeks recognized that suffering is the foundation of all greatness. When the red sea is parted for you in life day in and day out you become weak. When Uncle Rothie gives your potential employer a call and explains how nice it would be if you got the job starting at 150,000 you are only cheating yourself. You are spoiled. Spoiled people never produce anything of greatness. They become a gigantic blob fit to be the president of the “pro”-defamation league. Always remember that anti-semitism is the necessary evil that they need. When there is no anti-semitism the sheep begin to disperse. The shepherd loses his grip. You can bet your bottom dollar that most of the anti semites are creations of zion. They need this wolf. Don’t be that wolf. Be the sublime wolf that avoids credit cards and bank loans. You then will be awe inspiring.

Tim Says:
March 21, 2008 at 1:30 am
When people get up in the morning, the first thing they need to ask themselves is “Who are the Jews fighting with today?”

Michael Says:
March 21, 2008 at 2:02 am
Your grammar is poor. You say “If your leaders tell you to go and murder a million people, than you DO IT”. You should have used then rather than than.
Note from me, M Glenn–the article in question is almost 1,300 words long. The average word is composed of 4 letters. That equals roughly 5,200 letters, and the fact that I got ONE of them wrong is your bone of contention? SOunds like you have too much time on your hands

Stephen Says:
March 21, 2008 at 2:13 am
Thank you. Well said. I am sick and tired of the so called “Chosen” killing their neighbors daily and Christians in the US supporting and believing in the “chosen” lie, as if God agrees with and fully supports this godless entity.

perry Says:
March 21, 2008 at 2:41 am
Just exactly what is an agent provacateur? They pretend to be what they are not. They may say that their name is Mike when it is really mordecai. They will try to poison the message. They will play the divide and conquer game. They are the trolls in every website. When they cannot find a chink in the armor of the substance of a man’s argument they will attempt to attack the procedure. Attacking Mr. Glenn’s use of the word “then” is comparable to attacking a man who gives you a pound of gold for not dusting it off first. Do not let these trolls derail our great train. Do not let them divide and conquer. Do not let them play the agent provacateur game with impunity. Nice try mordie.

Garth D. Says:
March 21, 2008 at 3:00 am
Well written article and informative for those who still are in the dark. Ed of StLou, I disagree with you regarding Alex Jones. He often will talk about the evils of the Israeli government and in the past he used to even more. Personally, I think he was threatened by them (probably the Mossad) at one time, so he rhetoric has decreased. As for Jews in general, their day will come. They are the perfect instrument for the NWO and their minions as for the most part they only care about themselves and their self-interests. When Jewish bankers, lawyers, politicians, media and entertainment moguls blades become dull and of no use they will be trashed and vilified with the rest of scum. Their day of judgement is coming.

fkwjf Says:
March 21, 2008 at 3:37 am
http://patriotsquestion911.com

http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html

perry Says:
March 21, 2008 at 3:39 am
We must give an assessment of just exactly what is a “jew”. They are a nation without borders. They also are a religion with a caste system, i.e., some jews are more jewish than others. I once took a course in modern judaism and was astonished that almost all of the negative stereotypes about the jews have been created by renegade jews. My guess is that their caste system causes this hatred. The idea that jewish people killed a christian child for their true seder was the creation of a renegade jew. Agent provacateur trying to knock down the temple on his fellow jews. The loaded and heretofore unasked question is: “have the jews been hijacked? Has their car been hijacked by people who are trying to drive judaism off a cliff?” They have produced a nation/religion that has acummulated a lot of money,power and knowledge. Is zionism the cancerous outgrowth of such acummulation? Or is zionism designed to destroy judaism? Or is it designed to protect such acummulation? Or is much more of a difficult kind of calculus? Do the wise elders of zion know that in order to get one’s young son to study day and night one must create enemies. Many enemies. Wealth and privilege does not lead to your young son attempting to accomplsh many things. But if you have people calling your son a no- good member of a nation or religion, then, you just may produce somebody who will become a very briliant adult. My guess is that is the answer to this calculus equation. Don’t be a P.T. Barnum quote example.

Eyes Wide Open Says:
March 21, 2008 at 4:43 am
Someone mentioned the fact that the Jooz have been chased out of every country they have inflicted themselves apon for centuries, God said he would scatter them to the 4 corners of the earth for their wickedness and blasphemy. This happened, anyone who has any understanding of the scriptures will know the next punishment to be visited apon these people should they choose to continue their abhorrent Anti-Christ, racist, supremacist, sub-human behaviour. The chances of the (faux)Jooz accepting Christ as their Messiah and repenting is nil, their future is foretold.

A Joo exclaims
“Why does God allow us, his chosen people, to suffer so?”

God, listening in replies
“I allow you to suffer because I have given you the ability to choose…..I have laid down simple laws for you to follow…..you have not chosen well”

“I know of your afflictions and poverty, but you are rich. I know of those who call themselves jews but are not, for they are liars, and are of a Synagogue of Satan.

I will make them kneel at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.”

Rev 3:9

David Says:
March 21, 2008 at 6:04 am
The jewish people have a poor history when it comes to halocausts they have no perspective from which to preach at all.
I never heard them talk about the 20 million deaths Russian halocaust

nor the 70 million Natives of the Americas that died.

The Jewish people are only concerned with their halocaust they have no platform from which to preach
none !
Should they begin to preach around you mention this to them will you !

Jews are evil Says:
March 21, 2008 at 7:21 am
Alex Jones protects jews and spread stupid lies (lies easy to spot) as:
-Hollywood is own by jews. LOL!
-Spain’s king controls American roads. LOL
-Israel attacked the USS Liberty cause the US president told them so.
etc.

Don’t trust him. He does the so-called damage control thing: Blame gentiles for jew crimes.

steve in uk Says:
March 21, 2008 at 9:22 am
religion is a set of morals for a person to live by not an excuse for exterminating other human beings who dont agree with the status quo. religion belongs in the heart and mind not being shoved down the throat of as many people as possible. i just really hope and pray that all those who kill or commit injustice in gods name will have to stand in front of him one day and explain themselves. all those people who seem to live their lives without any regard for their fellow humans will surely see the fruits of their labour in our near future. it is only a matter of time now before the preverbial shit hits the fan. i look at my two children and pray that this will pass and humans will stand up against those lying hypocrites in power and take back this planet and start to help each other. the time for oppression is coming to an end. most developed countries spend more money on inventing new ways to kill people and less money on helping preserve life and preventing death or pain. so every day i wake up and go to work i pray that each day be the day the TRUTH comes out. im still waiting…..

ps my religion is me and god i belong to no organisation and i dont need to belong to one either.

suraci Says:
March 21, 2008 at 11:10 am
The pernicious poison of the Zionists is everywhere, and at times seems impossible to counter. They own both sides, control both parties, put forward their own critics, control the debate, false flag themselves and everyone else. They are so enmeshed in this world and yet almost entirely hidden to the majority, that fighting them is like trying to do battle with shifting fog. But we must fight them, and beat them for all our sakes. The future they would have for us and our children is too horrific to allow.

If they have their Samson option, so must we. In such a scenario we would have succeeded if we can destroy them in the process.

brian farrell Says:
March 21, 2008 at 12:47 pm
why all the whinging? the fact of history is that the jews have achieved dominance over all the western world since 1945. to the victor the spoils..the last serious opposition to international jewry died with adolf hitler in april 1945… if you are not prepared to accept the implications of this you have no right to complain.. b.farrell

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shadowworks

21-03-2008, 08:56 PM

So explain why all the people were branded with tattoos,/QUOTE]

Branding? to me Branding is done with a hot iron, why on Gods Earth would you even care to tattoo a person if your job is to kill them?

That is just an illogical waste of time and effort, tattoos take time to apply, again why?

I can see the need for tattoos if I had plans to keep you for a long time and wanted to use your skills, not make you dig your own grave.

[QUOTE=mynameis;308171]forced into ghettos without proper medical care, and then systematically murdered before the eyes of the world in these camps? Saying the Nazi's are innocent is like saying there's no CIA it's all made up.

The British did the same thing to the German POW and as a matter of fact, the Germans officers got better treatment than the Black African America solders, The American did the same thing to the Japanese that actually lived and worked in the US in WW2.

Did you know the Americans in the 500 years of slaver, if you ask a Scholars of African history will tell you the total number of Africans killed or abducted in Africa and the Americas could be between 50 and 100 million, this was also done by the Jews and started wars in Africa which still burn today.

That is a Holocaust of all Holocaust, did you know that the British, just100 years ago killed 30 million Indians between 1876 and 1920, Hitler is a toddler sucking on a dummy in comparison.

Besides who said the Nazi's didn't do anything and we know who the real Nazi are, they all pretty much survived and 1500 of the best and brightest of them went to the USA and made NASA.

mynameis

22-03-2008, 04:41 AM

[QUOTE=mynameis;308171]So explain why all the people were branded with tattoos,

Branding? to me Branding is done with a hot iron, why on Gods Earth would you even care to tattoo a person if your job is to kill them?

That is just an illogical waste of time and effort, tattoos take time to apply, again why?

(The German's weren't all brilliant. Hitler even executed their best General.)

I can see the need for tattoos if I had plans to keep you for a long time and wanted to use your skills, not make you dig your own grave.

(They kept the numbers for classification and paperwork. There were too many ways to calculate the background of the person, hence numbers were needed for the files on each person. Many were given immediate executions by the Einsatzgruppe.)

The British did the same thing to the German POW and as a matter of fact, the Germans officers got better treatment than the Black African America solders, The American did the same thing to the Japanese that actually lived and worked in the US in WW2.

(Where can I read about this?)

Did you know the Americans in the 500 years of slaver, if you ask a Scholars of African history will tell you the total number of Africans killed or abducted in Africa and the Americas could be between 50 and 100 million, this was also done by the Jews and started wars in Africa which still burn today.

That is a Holocaust of all Holocaust, did you know that the British, just 100 years ago killed 30 million Indians between 1876 and 1920, Hitler is a toddler sucking on a dummy in comparison.

(I don't know about the numbers in India and Africa, but the ship captains ledgers of cargo would be the most accurate verification of records to and from the destination. It is sick that people were treated as cargo. Still there were also many Europeans, Arabs, and Africans also involved with slavery.)

Besides who said the Nazi's didn't do anything and we know who the real Nazi are, they all pretty much survived and 1500 of the best and brightest of them went to the USA and made NASA.

(Some minds were forced to Russia, while others were assimilated by: NASA, CIA/MKNAOMI/MKULTRA, the older OSS, and Operation Paperclip. I'm not sure about the British Secret Services. Some Nazi's, mostly higher ranking officers in charge of State affairs, had fled for South America. As they were being hunted by the Mossad and Nuremberg's war trials. Many soldiers weren't held, and at the end of the Third Reich there were former Hitler youth as young as twelve trying sadly to fight as soldiers.)

jos08

29-08-2008, 06:37 PM

does anyone have the video of David Irving speaking at oxford union. I tried hard to find it but no luck .. I'm interested to see what he has to say.
(info@fpp.co.uk)

stelios

29-08-2008, 07:26 PM

There are so many gaps in the official story.
When i was at school they used to teach us the 4 million was the big number. Then for no explicable reason a few years ago the number was increased to 6 million.
Now any sensible person who looked at census figures from 1930s in Europe would soon realise that 6,000,000 cannot be true.
But rather than argue about whether the story has been exaggerated it is probably better to look at the undisputed facts.
Firstly Croatia, Hungary and Romania each carried out ethnic cleansing as the media likes to call it. But for no apparant reason very little mention is ever made of this.
Secondly it is a fact that there were many Jewish soldiers who served in the German armed forces. A Jewish author has written a very detailed analysis and estimates the number to be 150,000 Jews or people of Jewish background served in the armed forces of Germany during 1939-1945.
Thirdly no mention is made of the collaborators.
The inventor of Zylon B gas was an Ashkenazi called Fritz Haber who was decorated by the German Kaiser. In fact Haber was the person who invented chemical warfare and used it against the British and Russians during WWI.
The zylon B gas was actually manufactured by Theo Goldschmidt - another Ashkenazim - and indeed much of the German war machine was in fact made by people who were of the same persuasion.
Germany was bankrupt in the 1920s. Yet somehow they built the world's biggest ever war machine. How?
Well bankers like Paul Warburg - another Ashkenazi raised the money. The Rockefellers supplied Germany with Oil and Petrochemicals and money.

The view of Jews is that the actions were actually the wiping out of real Jews with the cooperation of the Ashkenzis. It is true that today the Khazars outnumber Jews by 5 to 1 whereas before WWII the ratio was much lower.
The fact is even the Israeli Stern gang were allies of Hitler because they saw the enemy as Britain and in fact did kill plenty of British troops.
For an unbiased view of the events of WWII why not read what real Jews say about it.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm

During WWII not a single visa was issued to Jews who wished to emigrate to the USA from Germany. Even Switzerland blocked their escape. Sali Meyer who was a zionist leader in Switzerland blocked the escape.
In the UK zionist Labour MPs blocked attempts for Jews to leave Germany because the British government had oofered them a safe haven in Mauritious.
So basically the message is, the zionists encouraged and financed and even facilitated and took part in the genocide. But the genocide was directed against Jews by Khazars.

Since WWII there has been an entire industry that has built up to extort billions of pounds from Germany , Switzerland and private companies. In fact even to this day Germans pay a certain amount of tax which goes to the New York lawyers who organised the scam.
Dont take my word for this listen to a Jewish university scholar called Norman Finkelstein.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6621908278614449486&ei=tjC4SLn_OaKAigKBq6HbDA&q=final+insult

Tha sad thing about all of this is if anyone questions any of the official story they can be sent to prison. That is the reason these debates only take place on the internet where people are posting anonymously.

jos08

29-08-2008, 08:24 PM

^^^^
may I say great post and thanks a lot for the information that you brought here for us. what made me look into this was that every book I read, I get a different number. now I know that 6 million people weren't killed, but I just needed a reliable source of information to state how many were killed and what their side race was ... because i know that the jews are divided into different backgrounds and even religions.
I wanted to hear David Irving because he's telling the truth that is why he's been sent to prison ... so if anyone has any idea where I can get my hands on that video then i will be grateful for the info. if it is not recorded on video then it is probably been written down by someone who attended the talk.

young_geecee

30-08-2008, 07:24 PM

ive always thought the one in-your-face reason something is wrong with the holocaust and and no doubt others must do is this.
You can say anything you like about any event in history, you can question any mass genocide you like, you can twist them, deny them, exaggerate them or just point out irregularities.
BUT the moment you say something, however minor or major, about the holocaust you can(actually, will) be sent to prison for up to what, 10 years?, in 13 countries i think.
countries such as germany, canada, australia, poland, france, israel, austria, belgium, portugal and switzerland who are supposed to be free speaking democratic countries.
if they are going to censor something this much in proportion to other historical events then that alone DEMANDS investigation and re-questioning of it because it obvious somethings being hidden.
i just dont get how so many people can see the censorship and not realise that its an absolute farcial.
the thing is i can probably get jailed in those countries for speaking all what i just said, CRAZY

bendoon

31-08-2008, 01:16 AM

cognizant

07-09-2008, 03:40 AM

So, have the OP's questions been answered yet? Why not? Why can we ask about 9/11 but not something that happened a long time ago? Who benefits by not allowing RESPECTFUL discussion?

I think the ancestors of the Jews who died have a right to know the truth. To continue to believe what we are told via movies and "history" books is not enough. It should be ok - not illegal - to ask questions. I don't know what happened and we aren't going to find out without debate. I find it troubling that the debate, investigation, discussion, etc will not happen.

Btw, I think Hitler was a lousy military leader and oppose National Socialism. I've actually studied the 25 points and oppose NS as it is totally unAmerican. I'm a libertarian and prefer freedom to a Nazi dictatorship.

disorder2k8

07-09-2008, 04:12 AM

No jews died, or if they did, they were greatly outnumbered by the death of germans. Its just a fake ploy to get us to love israel and think the are great and peacful. all lies.

cheeb

07-09-2008, 12:58 PM

Personally I believe the Red Cross. They were allowed access to all the camps before 1945 and said there was no evidence of Gas chambers or mass killings. They estimated the total no of deaths due to starvation and disease at 300,000.

Zyklon B was an insecticide used for defumigating cabins where lice had been found.

1 million "survivors" are alive today, at normal death rates extrapolating back to 1945 that would mean there were well over 6 million survivors in 1945

Get on the programme folks, the baddies were these guys.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Yalta_summit_1945_with_Churchill,_Roosevelt,_Stali n.jpg

Three of the biggest mass murderers in history

They are liars, you know just like their successors GWB & TB,GB and all the others inbetween

I Doubt Your Figures Are Correct There:
But Even If They Are
300,000 People Dying Of Preventable Starvation And Disease In An Internment Camp,
In A Small Town In Poland Is A Travesty...!!!!

And A Deliberate Holocaust In Itself.....

Whatever Happened To The 445,000 Residents Of The Warsaw Ghetto Then....

The Warsaw Ghetto

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1271/warsawghettouprisingys0.jpg

Following the German occupation of Warsaw in September 1939, the city’s 375,000 Jews were subjected to forced labor, brutal attacks, strict anti-Jewish legislation, and the confiscation of their property. In October 1940, a ghetto was planned in the Jewish quarter in northern Warsaw, and on 16 November it was sealed off. Along with Warsaw’s Jews, Jews from smaller outlying communities were moved to the ghetto, which swelled to 445,000 residents. Conditions within were dire, and malnutrition, overcrowding, and disease were rampant; one out of five inhabitants perished within the ghetto walls. Nonetheless, residents participated in educational and cultural activities.

Following months of night raids and random killings in early 1942, the first wave of deportations began in July 1942. By 12 September, about 300,000 Jews had been deported from the ghetto—some 254,000 to the Treblinka extermination camp.

Initial attempts to create a comprehensive Jewish underground in the ghetto had faltered. However, after the end of the mass deportation, the Jewish Fighting Organization (ZOB) was formed: a conglomerate of all the political youth organizations in the ghetto, with the exception of the Revisionists (Beitar movement), who created their own fighting organization called the Jewish Military Union (ZZW).

Deportations from the Warsaw ghetto recommenced on 18 January 1943. Under the leadership of Mordecai Anielewicz, the ZOB launched its first display of hand-to-hand armed combat against the Germans in the ghetto streets. After four days the deportations stopped, which the Jews construed as a sign of German weakness inflicted by use of armed force.

Following the German “retreat,” the ZOB began to prepare for the final, full-scale uprising against the Germans. Twenty-two units were formed, each one representing a different youth movement. The ZOB comprised 500 fighters, while the ZZW had 200-250 fighters.

On 19 April 1943, the final liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto began. As the general population hid in underground bunkers, the fighters attacked, launching the Warsaw ghetto uprising—the first large-scale uprising of an urban population in occupied Europe. Days of guerilla-type warfare ensued, catching the Germans off guard and ill-prepared. After three days, the Germans changed tactics, torching the ghetto, building by building. They forced the fighters out of hiding by hurling grenades into the bunkers or pumping in tear gas. Several of those who emerged from their hideouts were murdered on the spot.

And Seeing As The Nazis Were So Efficient,
Why Did They Have Such Poor Sanitation In Auschwitz

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2654/auschwitztoiletsjg4.jpg

Sureley It Wasn't An Attempt To Deliberatley Dehumanise,
"The Jews" Was It.....

Perish The Thought....

They Had Never Done That Before Had They....????

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a406qxVPbsw

I'll Find A Better Example in A Bit......

:eek:

mynameis

07-09-2008, 01:40 PM

I Doubt Your Figures Are Correct There:
But Even If They Are
300,000 People Dying Of Preventable And Seeing As The Nazis Were So Efficient,
Why Did They Have Such Poor Sanitation In Auschwitz

Sureley It Wasn't An Attempt To Deliberatley Dehumanise,
"The Jews" Was It.....

Perish The Thought....

They Had Never Done That Before Had They....????

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a406qxVPbsw

I'll Find A Better Example in A Bit......

:eek:

Good On U Cheeb. I'm sik of bickering with the stoopid "innocent saintly nazis" believers. I'd rather just drop them on an oubliette. In the end this forum will come crashing down because of stoopids like them.

bendoon

07-09-2008, 05:10 PM

[B][SIZE="4"]I Doubt Your Figures Are Correct There:
:eek:

What about the 60 million non Jews who died ? are they just worthless Goyim ?

300,000 People Dying Of Preventable Starvation And Disease In An Internment Camp,
In A Small Town In Poland Is A Travesty...!!!!

The entire infrastructure of Germany had collapsed towards the end of the war, people were starving all over, they could not get food anywhere let alone the camps.

Did you know more Germans were killed after the war in American Camps than Jews died in the whole war ?

[QUOTE=mynameis;491373]Good On U Cheeb. I'm sik of bickering with the stoopid "innocent saintly nazis" believers. I'd rather just drop them on an oubliette. In the end this forum will come crashing down because of stoopids like them.

So all the non Jews who died in a war created by Jews are worthless ?

The Jews declared an economic war on Germany in 1933, what would they do, just sit back and wait to be starved to death by the New world Order ?

http://images.100777.com/images/judeadeclares400.jpg

cheeb

07-09-2008, 06:29 PM

What about the 60 million non Jews who died ? are they just worthless Goyim ?
This Was A Question About The Holocaust Not The Casualities Of War....

Whose Saying These People Are Worthless Goyim- Not Me...

You Are Changing The Goalposts Here By Altering The Debate

What About The Millions That Died From The Spanish Flu:

The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people.

See It Makes No Sense To Bring Up Numbers From Something Unrelated......

The entire infrastructure of Germany had collapsed towards the end of the war, people were starving all over, they could not get food anywhere let alone the camps.

The Warsaw Ghetto Was Created In 1940
Before The Infrastructure Of Germany Had Collapsed

The Warsaw Ghetto was established by the German Governor-General Hans Frank on October 16, 1940. At this time, the population of the Ghetto was estimated to be 440,000 people, about 38% of the population of Warsaw. However, the size of the Ghetto was about 4.5% of the size of Warsaw. Nazis then closed off the Warsaw Ghetto from the outside world on November 16, 1940, building a wall with armed guards.

During the next year and a half, thousands of the Polish Jews as well as some Romani people from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhus) and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 253 kcal, compared to 2,325 kcal for gentile Poles and 5,613 kcal for Germans.

The Nazis followed the principle of continually reducing the area of a ghetto and packing it with ever-increasing numbers of deportees from other towns and from abroad. By the middle of 1941, over 13 000 people in Warsaw and 5 000 in Lodz had starved to death. Many more were undernourished or malnourished, easy prey to tuberculosis (T.B.), and typhoid, as well as many diseases which had ready cures on the other side of the ghetto walls.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8749/warsawghettoky3.gif
Children starving to death in the Warsaw ghetto

If You Are Going To Starve People To Death And Allow Diseases To Flourish Then That Is Just As Much A Genocide As Sending Them To The Gas Chambers

Did you know more Germans were killed after the war in American Camps than Jews died in the whole war ?

No I Didn't...
Have You Got The Figures And Evidence For This????

[QUOTE]So all the non Jews who died in a war created by Jews are worthless ?

Who Said This Not Me

The Jews declared an economic war on Germany in 1933, what would they do, just sit back and wait to be starved to death by the New world Order ?

Hitler As A Dictator Declared War..
That Is Not To Say He Didn't Have Backing From Jewish Bankers,
As Well As Prescott Bush...

http://images.100777.com/images/judeadeclares400.jpg

Yeah I Know...!!!
The Jews Are Equally Capable Of Committing Atrocities As The Nazis..
You Only Have To See What Is Happening To The Palestinians To See This....

It Seems They Have Learnt Nothing From Their Experience At The Hands Of The Nazis,
Or Maybe They Learnt How To Emulate Them.....

bendoon

07-09-2008, 07:24 PM

You are just quoting NWO propaganda, the same people who did 911 caused WW2, for the same reasons and the same lies. Some Jews died in WW2, millions more non Jews did, why are Jews so special that they get a specially made term for their suffering and recieve hundreds of billions in compensation ?

Lies, lies and more lies.

cheeb

07-09-2008, 10:46 PM

You are just quoting NWO propaganda,

The Same NWO Propaganda That You Posted A Few Pages Back

Bendoon Said...

Personally I believe the Red Cross. They were allowed access to all the camps before 1945 and said there was no evidence of Gas chambers or mass killings. They estimated the total no of deaths due to starvation and disease at 300,000.

So The Red Cross Are NWO Propaganda?????/Possibly???

the same people who did 911 caused WW2, for the same reasons and the same lies.

What Islamic Jihadists Caused WW2?????

Well I Suppose They Did Have CIA Backing.....

Osama Was A CIA Asset...:

Obama’s top adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, the movement that produced Osama bin Laden. And he was asked by the interviewer, “Well, don’t you think this might have had some bad consequences?” And Brzezinski replied, “Absolutely not. It was definitely worth it, because we were going after the Soviets. We were getting the Soviets.”

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9607/binladenbrezen7.jpg

President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski visiting 'his boy', Osama Bin Laden, in training with the Pakistan Army, 1981.Photo originally scanned from the New York Village Voice.

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens."

- Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D.,former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8784/zbignewfh4.jpg
Zbigniew Brzezinski

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

- Zbigniew Brzezinski. founder of The Trilateral Commision

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7350/zoby3tp2.jpg

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundementalists, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war? - Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinsk from Le Nouvel Observateur

Some Jews died in WW2, millions more non Jews did, why are Jews so special that they get a specially made term for their suffering and recieve hundreds of billions in compensation ?

Shoah/Holocaust Is Not A Specially Made Term...
The Final Solution However Is..........

I'm Surprised You Have Not Heard Of Joseph Goebbels,
It Might Help In Your Understanding Of How Propaganda Works

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8057/goebbels2hw9.jpg

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Lies, lies and more lies.

Not Really...

But You Do Seem To Be Economical With The Truth...!!!!

And You Sidetracked Me With 9.11 Stuff

nirvana

07-09-2008, 11:06 PM

cheeb

07-09-2008, 11:37 PM

The whole holocaust thing is something I'm doing abit of research on. Since I found out so many Jewish banks and jewish businesses worked with Hitler.
I think hitler was a puppet used by The zionists to creare the state of Israel. I also do not think all Zionists are jewish. There is a danger of blaming all jewish people for the actions of the zionists .This is wrong jewish people are in the same boat as us we are all victims of the zionist bilderberg etc.

Peace:)

Hey Nirvana Get A Load Of This

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2149/bidenjb5.jpg
Senator Barack Obama joined Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. on stage

Biden, Obama's Potential VP

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE

:eek:

bendoon

08-09-2008, 01:17 AM

What Islamic Jihadists Caused WW2?????

Look I do not believe Islamics did 911 or 7/7 London, or Madrid

I do not believe anywhere near 6 million jews died in WW2

The above are all staged propaganda events to further the agenda of the NWO. There is no evidence to support the official stories, if there was there would be no reason to put people in Jail after sham trials for questioning the Holyco$st. The truth stands all scrutiny and would actually welcome it.

cheeb

08-09-2008, 02:28 AM

Look I do not believe Islamics did 911 or 7/7 London, or Madrid

I do not believe anywhere near 6 million jews died in WW2

The above are all staged propaganda events to further the agenda of the NWO. There is no evidence to support the official stories, if there was there would be no reason to put people in Jail after sham trials for questioning the Holyco$st. The truth stands all scrutiny and would actually welcome it.

Why Do You Beleive This When All The Evidence Points To The Nazis
And Their Plan To Kill All The Jews

The So Called Final Solution To The Jewish Problem....

Also Do You Not See That The Western Imperial World Has Stirred Up A Hornets Nest In The Muslim Countries,

By Occupying Them And Invading Soverign Nations,

Suicide Bombers Exist,
Maybe As A Perceived Last Resort....

"Two Of The London 7/7 Bombers Even Made Video Confessions"

Two of the bombers made videotapes describing their reasons for becoming what they called "soldiers". In a videotape aired by Al Jazeera on 1 September 2005, Mohammad Sidique Khan, described his motivation. (The tape had been edited and also featured Al Qaeda number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in a way intended to suggest a direct link between Khan and Al Qaeda; however, there has been no report that Khan said anything linking the bombing to Al Qaeda.)

"I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe. Our drive and motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer. Our religion is Islam, obedience to the one true God and following the footsteps of the final prophet messenger. Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation."

On July 6, 2006, a video statement by Shehzad Tanweer was broadcast by Al-Jazeera. In the video, which also included remarks by al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, Tanweer said:

"What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel." Tanweer argued that the non-Muslims of Britain deserve such attacks because they voted for a government which "continues to oppress our mothers, children, brothers and sisters in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oc8IZvJWKwg

Where Are These People Now...

* Mohammad Sidique Khan (30) - Edgware Road Tube 8:50 a.m. Lived in Dewsbury with his heavily pregnant wife and young child. (Hasina Patel miscarried August 2005).
* Shehzad Tanweer (22) - Aldgate Tube 8:50 a.m. Lived in Leeds with his mother and father working in a fish-and-chips shop.
* Germaine Lindsay (19) - Russell Square 8:50 a.m. Lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire with his pregnant wife.
* Hasib Hussain (18) - Tavistock Square 9:47 a.m. Lived in Leeds with his brother Imran and sister-in-law Shazia.

They Were Definatley The Bombers Who Struck Terror In London On The 7.7.2005.

However,
They Could Have Been Caught Up In A Psy-Op

And Been Used As Patsies....

Considering There Was Also A Terrorist Drill Going On That Day.
And The Locations Were The Same As Where The Bombs Went Off...

Also Guilliani And Edward Ohlmet (Israeli PM) Were In Town,
And There Is Scant Evidence That They Were Pre-Warned About The Attacks

The Smearing Of Blood On The Lintels Of The Tavistock Building,
Is Also A Bit Dodgy...

Reminiscent Of The Pesach...

According to tradition, the first Passover ("The Passover of Egypt"), was preordained by Moses at the command of God. The Israelites were commanded to select on the tenth of Abib (Nisan) a he-lamb of the first year, without blemish, to kill it on the eve of the fourteenth and to sprinkle with its blood the lintel and sidepost of the doors of their dwellings so that the Lord should "pass over" them when he went forth to slay the first-born of the Egyptians.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5660/groupcctvsf9.jpg

The bombers caught on CCTV at Luton railway station at 07:21 a.m. on 7 July. From left to right, Hasib Hussain, Germaine Lindsay, Mohammad Sidique Khan, and Shehzad Tanweer.

There Is Also Something A Bit Fishy About This CCTV Still Though...!!!!

tyler

08-09-2008, 04:04 AM

Eisenhower's death camps...........

http://www.rense.com/general19/camps.htm

Millions of German POWs were starved to death or machine gunned after the war had ended in American POW camps.

cheeb

08-09-2008, 11:05 PM

Eisenhower's death camps...........

http://www.rense.com/general19/camps.htm

Millions of German POWs were starved to death or machine gunned after the war had ended in American POW camps.

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Rense....

red_ram

08-09-2008, 11:23 PM

While I agree that Israel's treatment of Palestinians is appalling, I do not refer to their actions as Jewish oppression for example, just as I wouldn't refer to American oppression in Iraq as Christian oppression.

ms c

09-09-2008, 12:00 AM

My grandad was in a death camp during WW2 he was placed there because he was a polish gypsy. He witnessed murder, death, abuse he DID not imagine this. He left the camp when the war came to an end, came to britain and is still going strong.

I find this thread very disrespectful to all the people that lost there lives due to the death camps. I have visited one of the most famous death Camps Auschwitz even if you were not aware of what happened, you can feel , smell the death. Nothing grows there, no plants, weeds, no birds singing nothing.

My point is one of my family members lived through the Holocaust he saw the horror and I have great love and respect for my grandad. So when people start saying such bullshit it upsets me.!:mad:

Before anybody starts saying freedom of speech, public forum blah, blah I know all that, this is my view, sometimes people need a personal story to remind them of the horror.

cheeb

09-09-2008, 12:05 AM

Eisenhower's death camps...........

http://www.rense.com/general19/camps.htm

Millions of German POWs were starved to death or machine gunned after the war had ended in American POW camps.

Look Where This Anecdotal Evidence Comes Form:

The Journal of Historical Review Vol. 10, No. 2, pp. 161-166.

Published By:

Noontide Press

An American publishing entity which publishes, among other racist and antisemitic titles,
The Protocols of Zion, as well as
The International Jew.

The Institute for Historical Review

Its publishing arm, Noontide Press, were founded in 1978 by the leading organizer of modern American anti-Semitism, Willis Carto, and his wife Elisabeth. Based near Los Angeles in Torrance, California, the group pioneered organizing efforts among Holocaust deniers, who had heretofore labored mostly in isolation and obscurity. The group's first "Revisionist Convention" in September 1979 featured speakers from the U.S., France, Germany, England and Sweden, many of whom subsequently contributed articles to the inaugural issue of IHR's Journal of Historical Review

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4912/williscarto1qe3.jpg
Willis Allison Carto

Willis Allison Carto
Willis Allison Carto (July 17, 1926) is a longtime figure on the far right wing of American politics. He describes himself as Jeffersonian and populist, but others have referred to him as an anti-Semite for remarks of his such as, "If Satan himself ... had tried to create a ... force for the destruction of the nations, he could have done no better than to invent the Jews."

Look At The Other Noontide Publications:

http://store.noontidepress.com/index1.html

While running Liberty Lobby from the shadows, Carto established a network of extremist publications and organizations. In 1966, he acquired control of the magazine American Mercury, originally associated with H.L. Mencken, and transformed it into a quarterly journal of anti-Semitic propaganda. He issued it in tandem with the bimonthly Washington Observer Newsletter, similarly laced with anti-Semitism. Both are now defunct. Previously, Carto had founded Western Destiny (also defunct), a magazine which during the 1960s produced racist, Nazi-tinged articles; and Noontide Press, which continues to publish and offer for sale anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi books.

One such book was Francis Parker Yockey's 600-page Imperium, which was dedicated to Adolf Hitler and featured a 35-page introduction written by Carto himself. Yockey, an outspoken admirer of Hitler, was arrested in San Francisco in 1960 on passport fraud charges and subsequently committed suicide in prison. His book offers a rehash of Nazi doctrine -- it denounced, for example, "the Church-State-Nation-People-Race of the Jew" as "distorters of culture."

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Founding Fathers Of Stormfront

Yockey's ideology pervades the propaganda of Liberty Lobby and its off-shoots, such as the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), which specializes in Holocaust-denial propaganda, and the Populist Party, a far-right political vehicle. This extremist agenda persists among these groups in spite of the fact that the Populist Party -- since renamed the American Nationalist Union -- and IHR have broken from Carto and the Liberty Lobby network. Under oath during proceedings connected with an unsuccessful Liberty Lobby lawsuit against ADL in 1979, Carto admitted to remaining faithful to the tenets of Yockey's neo-Nazi philosophy.

You Are Not Dealing With Infinite Love Here...!!!!

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As deep as his attachment to Yockey is Carto's antipathy toward Jews. (A racist as well as an anti-Semite, Carto complained during the 1950s that "only a few Americans are concerned about the inevitable niggerfication of America.") In October 1966, the late columnist Drew Pearson published the contents of a letter written by Carto which stated:

"Hitler's defeat was the defeat of Europe. And of America. How could we have been so blind? The blame, it seems, must be laid at the door of the international Jews. It was their propaganda, lies and demands which blinded the West to what Germany was doing. . . . If Satan himself, with all of his superhuman genius and diabolical ingenuity at his command, had tried to create a permanent disintegration and force for the destruction of the nations, he could have done no better than to invent the Jews."

What A Loveley Bunch Of People...!!!!

:eek:

bendoon

09-09-2008, 12:28 AM

[SIZE="4"]Look Where This Anecdotal Evidence Comes Form:
:

Look where the anecdotal evidence comes from for the official story; people who's religion it is to lie all the time.

Before sunset on the eve of Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement"), the congregation gathers in the synagogue. The Ark is opened and two people take from it two Torah scrolls. Then they take their places, one on each side of the cantor, and the three recite:

In the tribunal of Heaven and the tribunal of earth, by the permission of God — praised be He — and by the permission of this holy congregation, we hold it lawful to pray with transgressors."

The cantor then chants the prayer beginning with the words Kol Nidrei with its touching melody, and, gradually increasing in volume from pianissimo (quiet) to fortissimo (loud), repeats three times the following words:

[B]All personal vows we are likely to make, all personal oaths and pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce. Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void, neither firm nor established. Let our personal vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither vows nor pledges nor oaths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

Never trust someone who takes a vow never to tell the truth.

cheeb

09-09-2008, 12:50 AM

Look where the anecdotal evidence comes from for the official story; people who's religion it is to lie all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

Never trust someone who takes a vow never to tell the truth.

You Don't Have Anything Do You,
So You Resort To Nitpicking...

OK Your Choice...

Your Probably From Americka,
So You Have No Family Experiences Relating To The European WW2,

Or Have Never Set Foot In These Places....

But That Is Just Speculation On My Part....

A Chap Called Dogsmilk Was Far More Eloquent Than Me On These Issues:

Dogsmilk Wrote,
I just wanted to make a further point about how Holocaust denial works.

Ok, let's start off with the fact we have a large number of eyewitnesses saying people were gassed (and shot etc). These include Jews, Nazis
and others such as e.g. Polish political prisoners at Auschwitz. It's very difficult to be 'mistaken' about mass murder, but are huge swathes of people lying? Are their accounts corroborated in any way?

Well at Auschwitz, we know for example in Crematorium III, the Nazis in installed both shower heads and a gas tight door.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/aus...ssac0429.shtml
There was also an "undressing room". So these components of a building fit rather well with the notion that this building at least functioned as a gas chamber.

Then, we also know that the Nazis developed an astonishing capacity for cremating bodies at Auschwitz. For example, there is the famous memo from Bischoff of June 1943 that states the capacity of the crematoria as 4756 bodies per 24 hours. Lower on the scale, a letter from Topf (who built the ovens) engineer Kurt Prufer with a total adding up to 2650 per day (Van Pelt has pointed out since Topf were responsible for maintaining this kit, it was in their interests to keep their estimates low). It reads:

Quote:
TOPF To J.A. TOPF UND SÖHNE Erfurt, September 8, 1942

Department D IV

Our Mark: D IV/Prf./hes
In Matters of: Reichsführer SS, Berlin-Lichterfelde-West.
Concerning: Krematorium-Auschwitz.

Confidential! Secret!

8.9.42 Herr Obersturmführer Krone calls to say that he was
summoned to meet with Brigadeführer Kämmer and
to report on his inspection of the crematorium in Auschwitz,
whence he had returned yesterday. He could make nothing
of the facilities at Auschwitz and wanted therefore to inform
himself on how many muffles are in operation there at this
time and how many ovens with muffles we are building there
and are still to be delivered.

I told him that at this time 3 double-muffle
ovens are in operation, with a capacity of
250 per day. Further, currently under
construction are 5 triple muffle ovens

with a daily capacity of 800. Today and in the next few
days, 2 eight-muffle ovens, each with a daily capacity
of 800, will come on consignment, redirected from Mogilew.

Mr K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient;
we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible.

Thus, it is appropriate that I come to Berlin Thursday
morning in order to discuss further deliveries with Mr K.
I should bring documents on Auschwitz with me, so that
the urgent calls can be finally silenced once and for all.

I have agreed to the visit for Thursday.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Bolding mine - we see here how Mr Prufer thought this astonishing cremation capacity simply was not enough. Irrespective of how many people in reality the Nazis could physically dispose of per 24 hours they were certainly 'aiming high' and building expensive state of the art ovens in the middle of a war. It far outstrips regular concentration camps and bear in mind the entire camp population was around 100,000 - so apparently Prufer thinks that more than a fifth of the camp population being cremated in an allegedly perfectly innnocent work camp every two days simply isn't enough. Why the desire to be able to cremate so many people?

Then we have Himmler speaking quite explicitly about exterminating the Jews.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/him...znan-large.mov

Then, we consider the point Cheeb just raised (very interesting post btw) - lots of people went to Auschwitz (and other camps) and subsequently vanished. Cheeb talks about Germans - there are lots of others, such as the Hungarian Jews.

So now, taking just a tiny sample of the available evidence, we see that witnesses described mass killings, we see building modifications consistent with this, a capacity for mass cremation consistent with this, description of extermination of Jews consistent with this and 'vanishing Jews' consistent with this. Only a total moron would be surprised the Nazis at least attempted to be a tad secretive about genocide and destroyed a lot of evidence, but what remains fits with what witnessess describe.

But the methodology of Holocaust denial prefers to move towards microscopic nit-picking and avoid the convergence of evidence.
Eyewitnesses? Well they all lied, were subject to mass hysteria, were tortured or otherwise coerced. All of them. Based on...? Well, they had to as the Holocaust didn't happen. And of course there are inconsistencies and contradictions in their testimony. For some reason, the Holocaust is the one event in history where a mass of eyewitnesses are expected to be universally totally consistent in every detail whereas generally everyone accepts 5 people witnessing a car crash will give slightly different accounts of what exactly happened.
So at the end of the second world war there was probably the largest outbreak of mass lying in history. Presumably orchestrated by a mysterious cabal of Jews.
But!
Anyone saying what you like is instantly credible.

Quote:
Paul Rassinier is one such revisionist who spent a few years in both Buchenwald and Dora concentration camps.

Wilhelm Stäglich, a German judge and historian was stationed near the Auschwitz camp. As part of his duties, he maintained contact with the SS camp command, and had unlimited access to the Auschwitz main camp and never saw such genocidal gas chambers as reported by witnesses.

Tijudar Rudolph was a former German Security Service member, fluent in five languages including Yiddish and Polish, Rudolph was involved with organizing Red Cross inspection tours of Auschwitz and other camps during the war. He too never saw any genocidal gas chambers.

Thies Christophersen was a German army officer in the Auschwitz camp complex and during the time he was in Auschwitz, he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=16357&page=5

Ok, let's take the first two as they're the most famous - Rassinier wasn't in a camp where exterminations took place. He

Quote:
had apparently been beaten by a communist fellow-prisoner in the Buchenwald concentration camp for failing to recognise or pay his respects to the imprisoned German communist leader Ernst Thalmann...Not only did his fellow-prisoners seem more dangerous than the SS guards to him, therefore; Rassinier also got a relatively easy job in the infirmary on his transfer to camp 'Dora' in the Harz mountains. where he was evidently well treated by his boss, a senior SS officer. These experiences seem to have prejudiced him strongly in favour of the Nazis. He initially published a defence of the SS against its critics and denied reports by survivors of atrocities in the camp, then went on to dispute the existence of gas chambers and to assert it was the Jews who had started the Second World War
- telling lies about hitler by Richard J.Evans p.115 (incidentally, that ''champion of free speech' David Irving seriously impeded the publication of this work with his libel threats - he'd already tried to silence Deborah Lipstadt and Gita Sereny.)

Staglich was

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Serving with an anti-aircraft battery unit near Auschwitz, he had visited the main camp a few times, and "on none of these visits did I see gassing installations, crematoria, instruments of torture, or similar horrors."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irv...-witness.shtml

So a guy in 'regular' camps who got on ok with the SS and a man from a flak battery who says he didn't happen to see any 'special actions' (had he ever even been to Birkenau itself? The vast majority of gassings did not take place in the main camp. Mind you, nobody disputes the existence of the large crematoria buildings themselves, so Staglich is basically admitting he saw bugger all of the camp when he says he saw no crematoria) take place are to be totally believed as giving cast iron testimony there was no Holocaust - the God knows how many others who say unequivocally mass murder was taking place are all a bunch of filthy liars.
Do the words "double" and "standard" spring to mind for anyone else here?
But it doesn't matter - the denier must just keep picking at the testimony however they can.

Then you can argue about different conceivable functions of various buildings. The "undressing room" is in a "typical morgue sense" (whatever that means). It was a morgue. It was an air raid shelter. It was whatever you can make conceivably possible.
(interesting discussion of this kind of thing here)
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irv...werheads.shtml
Just keep thinking of other ways the building can be described and think of a creative 'explanation' for each feature consistent with gassings.

Then you argue about how many bodies the Nazis could actually have disposed of. Try to make out it was impossible to burn all those bodies. Try to avoid people thinking about why they wanted this capacity and why Auschwitz had so many damn ovens compared to other camps.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/aus...body-disposal/

Then argue about semantics with Himmler. He was talking about partisans. He was speaking metaphorically. Anything but the obvious.

Then claim the Jews really were "re-settled". There is some hitherto undiscovered shangri-la deep in Russia where a multinational community of Jews are just waiting to be found and act bemused as to what all the fuss was about. Or else 'the Zionists' have them hidden in an air raid shelter deep under Jerusalem and keep telling them the war's still happening and they can't come out yet.

At all costs avoid noticing how the totality of evidence corroborates what witnesses tell us - debatable in the minute detail (it must be remembered there will always be debate about the minutiae among Holocaust scholars), but clear in the overall chain of events.
Any individual piece of evidence a denier feels they have cast doubt on is a 'victory', because each piece of evidence is taken as an isolated factoid, not a whole set of interrelated evidence that points to the same conclusion human beings who suffered enormously (or inflicted or colluded with suffering) described in the first place.

For an encore, invoke people like Norman Finkelstein who have sharply criticised the politicisation of the Holocaust and pointed out there are some frauds out there. Conveniently ignore the fact he thinks Holocaust deniers are crackpots not worth bothering with. Try to use the entire debate about how the Holocaust is presented as an argument it didn't happen.

Also, try not to be too fussy about the quality of your information. If you feel you can win a convert, use it. For example, Phantom has linked to Germar Rudolf - Rudolf is an intelligent guy and presents complex arguments that have at least an academic veneer. On the other hand, (s)he also says -

Quote:
The Skunks website has a good article on Auschwitz. Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies
http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm
Now Phantom clearly knows a bit about the holocaust and describes this as a "good article"; yet this page only appears remotely plausible if you know nothing about Auschwitz. Just a few examples -
It says "this was a work camp". well, er, yeah - primarily it was. No-one ever said any different. And showing a picture of buildings in the main camp where the Poles were doesn't say anything about the Holocaust. Basically the article scuppers itself at the outset by saying Auschwitz was a work camp when everyone else thinks it evolved into an enormous work camp that also evolved an accompanying extermination function for part of its existence. Pointing out the 'work camp' aspects does exactly zero to undermine the extermination aspects. Just how fucking thick is this skunk guy? Nobody disputes there was a brothel or a theatre or an old water reservoir guards and favoured prisoners used as a swimming pool. Many of these facets were clearly covered the last time the beeb covered the subject - this doc has a whole segment on the brothel for starters -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Auschwitz-Na...9188261&sr=1-1
Since the orchestra is mentioned (hardly a big secret e.g.)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...witz_orch.html
, I'll also mention a concentration camp jazz band started by the Jew Eddie Rosner. Except this band was in a Soviet gulag. So does a jazz band in a gulag indicate the gulags were basically holiday camps where people weren't terribly mistreated?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Rosner#Repressions
Weirdly, the same eyewitnesses who describe mass murder also frequently describe such aspects of the camp. But we can't trust them surely? Aren't they all pathological liars?
It even says
Quote:
Dr. Carl Clauberg

Famous Berlin surgeon who handled difficult cases
Yet anyone with a brain doing a simple google search sees Clauberg was infamous for performing sterilisation experiments. Skunk doesn't even try to argue anything different. The whole page fits the usual Judicialbiz modus operandi of unevidenced assertions, not referencing things, giving links that don't really back up its claims or just talking about stuff that's totally irrelevant while trying to imply it somehow is.
In fact anyone with a modicum of intelligence perusing Judicialbiz will notice that even if it rains during Wimbledon fortnight that site would be apt to claim 'the Jews' are responsible.
Yet Phantom is apparently happy to veer between the cream of denial and a crude anti-semitic propaganda site only conceivably appealing to the deeply ignorant if it says the right thing - and thus might get another member for the congregation.

When Hagberd Celine something like

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The room at Auschwitz we're told was used to kill millions of people has a very ordinary-looking door made of wood with a window made of ordinary glass.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=16134&page=2

Phantom apparently doesn't need to point out that that it's generally thought about 1.1 million people died in total, that none of the truly lethal buildings are still standing and that the door is perhaps not the original. Or even mention Nazi "gas tight door" ordering. Stuff (s)he surely knows.

Also interesting are the themes that repeatedly accompany Holocaust denial - namely that Jews/Zionists (remember! it's just some Jews that are evil and rule the world - you don't want to sound like some kind of Nazi or something) are responsible for pretty much everything up to and including the extinction of the dinosaurs and that really, when you think about it, Hitler really wasn't such a bad chap and when he was eliminating political freedom and rounding up people he didn't like he kinda meant well.

Holocaust denial has historically - for some reason - been the baby of the far right.
It's very difficult to assert the Jews are evil and simultaneously running capitalism and communism if they couldn't stop the mass murder of their people. But if....they invented it...then that proves the Jews must be incredibly powerful and inherently nefarious, right?
The cretinous knuckle-dragging clowns (sorry - Aryan supermen) of Stormfront are universally deniers because it's integral to their worldview.
As it is, Holocaust denial is kinda dying in the 'real world' - they key deniers are aging and predominently rely on old and thoroughly discredited arguments. What better way to get it going again, than to put it out and about on the net where there are many people who just don't have the time or inclination to meaningfully study a vast and complex field? As I said previously, I've been reading into the subject for a few months and still feel I know basically fuck-all. I know enough not to be bamboozled by denier bullshit though.
After all, the media presentation of the Holocaust - in film, sensationalist documentaries, even some of the museums - is often flawed. This is not surprising - the media presentation of e.g. medieval Europe is similarly simplified and flawed - but can make the 'anomalies' seem more convincing.

What I think would be useful is if Phantom could explain how as a tiny set of evidence -
a/Eyewitness claims
b/Gas tight door, showers, undressing room in crematorium III
c/A clear need for an enormous cremation capacity
d/Himmler's speech
e/Jews deported to camps and subsequently no longer able to be found alive anywhere
These five points together as a whole point to the Holocaust not actually happening.
__________________
"The activities of these fruitcakes were irritating, indeed infuriating - especially, though not exclusively, to survivors. Some insisted that the deniers should be taken more seriously, but since there was no evidence that they'd had the slightest influence, it was hard to say why one should do so." - Peter Novick tells it like it is.

Changing The Goalposts In Every Thread You Make,
Is Not Helping Your Cause And Is Just Showing You Up As A Deceitful Liar,
With An Anti-Semitic Agenda......

Your Choice Though!!!!!

:eek:

bendoon

09-09-2008, 12:54 AM

There were no gas chambers, the Russians built them after the war to cover up for their own crimes.

Stop believing lies, thats why we are here isn't it, truthseekers.

cheeb

09-09-2008, 01:13 AM

There were no gas chambers, the Russians built them after the war to cover up for their own crimes.

Stop believing lies, thats why we are here isn't it, truthseekers.

I'm Almost Giving Up On You Bendoon.....

Where Are They???

Let me give my two cents to this thread here.
I'm not a specialist in Aktion Reinhard camps or Romanian Jews, but I've been studying Auschwitz, especially the fate of the Germans who were sent there, in great detail (BTW, a hitherto understudied subject).

In the course of one week, between March, 2 and 7, 1943, 10,948 Jewish Germans from the Reich arrived at Auschwitz.
We know the total number from the files of the Reichsvereinigung der Juden. What is more, the deportation lists from Berlin have come down
to us.
They contain, for every deportee, name, first name, date and place of birth, and last address of residency.
From Berlin alone, 6,988 persons are precisely documented, that is about 2/3 of the whole group.

Now, from the above mentioned 10,948 persons only 3587 were taken in (and registered) as prisoners, 2,342 men and 1,245 women.

We know this from a list compiled by prisoners from the Political Department, who wrote down the arrival date of every transport, from which prisoners were taken in, and the range of prisoner numbers given to them.

Though only a tiny part of the prisoner files has come down to us, there are enough extant files to corroborate this, as kind of a sample survey.

From those taken in (and given a prisoner number), a few have survived the end of the war and returned to Germany, at least temporarily.

From their testimony - independently corroborated by testimony of Polish prisoners, who had been employed with unloading the transports and handling the deportees' luggage - we know that the 2,342 men were directly sent to the Buna sub-camp and that the 1,245 women were billeted at Birkenau.

About the 7,361 who were not taken in, among them all the elderly people and children, we know from survivor testimonies that they were also marched to Birkenau (only those unable to walk, were carried by trucks).
After entering the camp gate, nothing was heard or seen from them any more.
Not a single person of this group has ever reappeared.

From an extant telegram sent by the head of the Auschwitz Labor Assignment Department to his superiors, referring to the transport from Berlin which arrived on March 4, we learn that those not taken in had received "special treatment" (Sonderbehandlung), because they were not fit for work.

Please don't tell me that the telegram is a "forgery." The number of prisoners, the place of origin of the transport, and the date of arrival tally with the extant transport list, which was found much later, by chance, in the files of the very tax office that handled the exploitation of the estate of the deported Jewish Germans from Berlin.

"Orthodox" historians are convinced that these 7,361 people were
immediately killed in the gas chambers and their corpses burnt in the crematoria. Do "Revisionists" have another explanation?

Original source
Jo neander

No Apologies For Repeating This Information..!!!!!

bendoon

09-09-2008, 01:22 AM

[B]I'm Almost Giving Up On You Bendoon.....

Please do because you are just copying and pasting propaganda. All you do is mock other peoples evidence, and claim yours is correct, so as you say its pointless.

Its not physically possible that 6 million Jews died or anywhere near that many, the German did not have access to that many Jews to kill them, unless you are saying America obliged them and sent some over from America.

4.5 million claimed compensation after the war
Millions more had already left the area before the war started, going to North and South America, England, Palestine. There wasn't another 6 million to kill, the numbers just do not add up.

cheeb

09-09-2008, 01:33 AM

Please do because you are just copying and pasting propaganda. All you do is mock other peoples evidence, and claim yours is correct, so as you say its pointless.

Its not physically possible that 6 million Jews died or anywhere near that many, the German did not have access to that many Jews to kill them, unless you are saying America obliged them and sent some over from America.

4.5 million claimed compensation after the war
Millions more had already left the area before the war started, going to North and South America, England, Palestine. There wasn't another 6 million to kill, the numbers just do not add up.

You Have Presented No Evidence So Far,
Just Parroted There Was No Gas Chambers...

To The Point Of Repititious Boredom....

People Die In Wars....

But The Enforced Genocide Of A Race/Religion,

Is A Different Matter.....

Ethnic Cleansing Is The New Political Correct Euphanism,
For Genocide I Beleive.....

6, Million Seems To Be A Magic Number Though,

So I Do Dispute This Figure.....

:rolleyes:

lightgiver

09-09-2008, 01:47 AM

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ps64xxJq0mg

i hope this is not to disturbing:(

lightgiver

09-09-2008, 01:58 AM

cheeb

09-09-2008, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by cheeb
I'm Almost Giving Up On You Bendoon.....

bendoon;493641]Please do because you are just copying and pasting propaganda. All you do is mock other peoples evidence, and claim yours is correct, so as you say its pointless.

See How You Nitpick And Miss The Bigger Picture....

Where Are They???

Let me give my two cents to this thread here.
I'm not a specialist in Aktion Reinhard camps or Romanian Jews, but I've been studying Auschwitz, especially the fate of the Germans who were sent there, in great detail (BTW, a hitherto understudied subject).

In the course of one week, between March, 2 and 7, 1943, 10,948 Jewish Germans from the Reich arrived at Auschwitz.
We know the total number from the files of the Reichsvereinigung der Juden. What is more, the deportation lists from Berlin have come down
to us.
They contain, for every deportee, name, first name, date and place of birth, and last address of residency.
From Berlin alone, 6,988 persons are precisely documented, that is about 2/3 of the whole group.

Now, from the above mentioned 10,948 persons only 3587 were taken in (and registered) as prisoners, 2,342 men and 1,245 women.

We know this from a list compiled by prisoners from the Political Department, who wrote down the arrival date of every transport, from which prisoners were taken in, and the range of prisoner numbers given to them.

Though only a tiny part of the prisoner files has come down to us, there are enough extant files to corroborate this, as kind of a sample survey.

From those taken in (and given a prisoner number), a few have survived the end of the war and returned to Germany, at least temporarily.

From their testimony - independently corroborated by testimony of Polish prisoners, who had been employed with unloading the transports and handling the deportees' luggage - we know that the 2,342 men were directly sent to the Buna sub-camp and that the 1,245 women were billeted at Birkenau.

About the 7,361 who were not taken in, among them all the elderly people and children, we know from survivor testimonies that they were also marched to Birkenau (only those unable to walk, were carried by trucks).
After entering the camp gate, nothing was heard or seen from them any more.
Not a single person of this group has ever reappeared.

From an extant telegram sent by the head of the Auschwitz Labor Assignment Department to his superiors, referring to the transport from Berlin which arrived on March 4, we learn that those not taken in had received "special treatment" (Sonderbehandlung), because they were not fit for work.

Please don't tell me that the telegram is a "forgery." The number of prisoners, the place of origin of the transport, and the date of arrival tally with the extant transport list, which was found much later, by chance, in the files of the very tax office that handled the exploitation of the estate of the deported Jewish Germans from Berlin.

"Orthodox" historians are convinced that these 7,361 people were
immediately killed in the gas chambers and their corpses burnt in the crematoria. Do "Revisionists" have another explanation?

Original source
Jo neander

No Apologies For Repeating This Information..!!!!![/QUOTE]

Where Is Your Answer To This?????

dogsmilk

09-09-2008, 06:43 PM

So all the non Jews who died in a war created by Jews are worthless ?

The Jews declared an economic war on Germany in 1933, what would they do, just sit back and wait to be starved to death by the New world Order ?

It is simply amazing how many people on the internet trot this out as being somehow dramatic and somehow justifies poor innocent old Hitler.

1/It is a tabloid newspaper. Tabloid newspapers are prone to dramatic headlines and those pushing the boycott are equally likely to have used a degree of hyperbole. Saying "we protest against Mr Hitler rather strongly" perhaps doesn't quite cut it. Incidentally, not all Jewish groups backed the boycott and some non-Jews did (those of a left wing persuasion also had good reasons not to like him). Though I realise there are a plenty of people out there in internetland who appear to regard Jews as comprising some kind of hive consciousness.
It is striking how the kind of people who generally dismiss the msm and sneer at 'sheeple' who do can nevertheless present a daily express headline as an unequivocal statement of literal truth.

2/At this time, Germany faced other economic problems (e.g. upsurge in global protectionism, impact of prior clearing agreements with other countries), yet an economy which was heavily reliant on the import of raw materials (which Germany lacked) and export of finished products nevertheless survived and a rather substantial re-armament program was embarked upon. The boycotts certainly worried the Nazis, but the blunt fact is they failed to bring down Hitler and failed to stop Nazis implementing progressively more draconian measures against Jews. So much for this all powerful conspiracy of teh jooos and their "war". And given the boycotts did actually happen - well where were all these starving Germans then?

3/The Nazis had already made it perfectly clear in both word and deed the Jews had it comin'. For example, on March 13th, the SA had already engaged in forcibly closing Jewish shops in Mannheim. But given the (verbally and physically) violent attitude the Nazis had displayed towards Jews already, it beggars belief anyone would think the Jews wouldn't want to react. It's like being surprised about Asian people reacting strongly to (God forbid) the BNP being elected here (though I see from another thread their brand of fascism has quite a fan club here too, so maybe that's a bad example).

As it happens, the article in question itself says it was to -

compel Fascist Germany to end its campaign of violence and suppression directed against its Jewish minority

on behalf of

the 600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorised by Hitlerist anti-semitism

Missed that part, eh?

4/you always seem the same headline time after time. Where are the others? I'd be genuinely interested to see how they covered it. After all, the daily mail was famously pro-Hitler, so you'd think they'd have had something to say. The clue may be in the rest of the media not actually using the phrase "declares war" thus not giving sufficiently hysterical language for the sort of people who base their worldview on tabloid headlines to get excited about.

The entire infrastructure of Germany had collapsed towards the end of the war, people were starving all over, they could not get food anywhere let alone the camps.

This is false. In fact, IIRC the problems got worse after the war had ended. Please provide evidence the German populace were starving in a manner in any way comparable to places like Belsen.

The above are all staged propaganda events to further the agenda of the NWO. There is no evidence to support the official stories, if there was there would be no reason to put people in Jail after sham trials for questioning the Holyco$st. The truth stands all scrutiny and would actually welcome it.

Nazi Germany/the Holocaust is one of the most extensively studied periods in history. You only think there is no evidence because you haven't bothered to read anything of substance.
What 'official stories'? The history is written by hundreds (if not thousands) of independent scholars (many of them German) who argue over the details while agreeing on the broad narrative. It is not 'official' as the history is not produced by official bodies. You are attempting to make it sound like the government write the history - this is either devious or ignorant on your part.
Some countries have anti-denier legislation (of which I do not personally approve), but deniers in e.g. the UK and US can deny to their heart's content and it still sounds like bollocks.
France has made it illegal to deny the Armenian genocide. Does this make the Armenian genocide less likely to have actually occurred?

Millions of German POWs were starved to death or machine gunned after the war had ended in American POW camps.
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"Millions" is, I think, a bit off the mark, but I believe some Germans did starve (though not to the extent the discredited James Bacque described) - and? Certainly the Allies arguably displayed a measure of hypocrisy in their treatment of (some) Germans (though I don't personally know much about this and something off Rense doesn't change that - you may as well read the sunday sport), but trying to use this to somehow suggest Jews didn't die or to suggest moral equivalence is just pathetic.

And Kol Nidre - purlease

Never trust someone who takes a vow never to tell the truth.

Never trust anyone who selectively quote mines a wikipedia article.

The Kol Nidrei prayer has been used by antisemites as a basis for asserting that an oath taken by a Jew may not be trusted.[4] Historically, this accusation was leveled so often and so persistently that many non-Jewish legislators considered it necessary to have a special form of oath administered to Jews ("Oath More Judaico"), and many judges refused to allow them to take a supplementary oath, basing their objections chiefly on this prayer. As early as 1240 in the Disputation of Paris, Yechiel of Paris was obliged to defend Kol Nidrei against these charges.

Rabbis have always pointed out that the dispensation from vows in Kol Nidrei refers only to those which an individual voluntarily assumes for himself alone and in which no other persons or their interests are involved. The formula is restricted to those vows which are between man and God alone; they have no effect on vows made between one man and another. No vow, promise, or oath which concerns another person, a court of justice, or a community is implied in Kol Nidrei. According to Jewish doctrine, the sole purpose of this prayer is to give protection from divine punishment in case of violation of the vow.

Or if Jews routinely break vows at Yom Kippur - well where is the evidence this actually occurs?

And what about Poles? Gypsies? the Nazis themselves? It would appear WWII precipitated the largest bout of mass lying in history, with a strange dearth of retractions even decades later.

There were no gas chambers, the Russians built them after the war to cover up for their own crimes.

What? The totally levelled Aktion Rheinhardt camps? The ruins of Birkenau? What crimes were they covering up? Do you have any idea what you're talking about????

Stop believing lies, thats why we are here isn't it, truthseekers.

You are not a 'truthseeker'. You are either ignorant and gullible or pushing propaganda for your own ends.

Its not physically possible that 6 million Jews died or anywhere near that many, the German did not have access to that many Jews to kill them, unless you are saying America obliged them and sent some over from America.

4.5 million claimed compensation after the war
Millions more had already left the area before the war started, going to North and South America, England, Palestine. There wasn't another 6 million to kill, the numbers just do not add up.

What crisp packet did you get this off the back of? Might I suggest you take this 'vital info' to this thread -
http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/6277/t/So-where-did-they-go-Auschwitz-in-42.html
I am sure the results would be hilarious.

Where Is Your Answer To This?????

You are unlikely to get one. Unless you solely deal in random erroneous factoids, you are likely to just be confusing them.

diamondgeezer

10-09-2008, 03:26 AM

Some countries have anti-denier legislation (of which I do not personally approve), but deniers in e.g. the UK and US can deny to their heart's content and it still sounds like bollocks.

Couldn't have put it better myself

bendoon

10-09-2008, 03:44 AM

dogsmilk

10-09-2008, 09:37 AM

For those of you that are interested in the truth, some good videos here that expose all the lies. I know its a tricky subject, but lies have to be exposed especially when a lie this big is responsible for all the trouble thats going on in the world at this present time. 911 is nothing compared to this.

Don't be put off by the name callers, they would rather live in the dark.

The NWO need you to believe this lie more than any other.

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com

The best one.

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/Buchenwald/

And here is an Orthodox Jewish websites view, although they agree that millions of Jews died, they put the blame squarely at the feet of the Zionist Jews and not Hitler.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/index.cfm

One third of the Holocaust is a fascinating exercise in lying. See here -
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/04/quick-links.html#debuv

The Jews against Zionism website makes some rather ludicrous assertions such as suggesting that the Zionists were somehow in control of Jewish emigration/immigration all over the world and engages in distorted and unsourced accounts of events like the 'Jews for trucks' incident.
But if you are now going to focus on the fairly common online denier tactic of Jews saying bad things, please provide a context for quotes you are choosing to cite; explain who the person was and why they said what they did. You simply cannot understand history by just looking at some one line quote - that's obvious, right?
It's fascinating how you'll happily support JAZ despite their 'believing the lie' because you feel they absolve the Nazis of some blame - and this from someone who was being quite warm about the BNP on another thread.

For those of you that are interested in the truth,

If you are interested in truth, why do you ignore what has been put to you already?

some good videos here that expose all the lies.

Look! it's on telly! It must be true!

I know its a tricky subject

It is an enormous subject. One you can't master by watching shit videos on the internet.

but lies have to be exposed especially when a lie this big is responsible for all the trouble thats going on in the world at this present time

Really? In what way?

What is interesting about the Holocaust deniers you get on forums is that they carp on about 'seeking the truth' or whatever, yet have a tendency to ignore rebuttals and swiftly move on to firing out something else. They appear to think if you fire out enough stuff they will find something other people can't answer and this means they 'win'. They deal in factoids and seem to think that this is how history works. At no point does it appear to occur to them that the mountain of blatant falsehoods they've hoovered up might suggest they're being routinely lied to. Or do they care?

If you 'seek the truth' Bendoon, why are you simply ignoring what has already been put to you? Or are you going to get back onto your Holocaust denial websites looking for more propaganda to fire out?

runciter

10-09-2008, 10:19 AM

Interviewer: Have you a word to say in conclusion?

Dr. Faurisson: My conclusion is that we are here in Tehran the day after a conference, held on December 11th and 12th of 2006, dealing with "the Holocaust". That conference was truly international. We'd have liked to see and hear Raul Hilberg and Norman Finkelstein. The latter says the revisionists are "crackpots", lunatics. If he'd come here, I'd have asked him quite politely in what respect I personally deserved that epithet, and I'd also have inquired as to what writings of ours he might in fact have read before pronouncing such a judgment on revisionist authors.

http://www.rense.com/general80/furg.htm

haukipesukone

20-10-2008, 05:58 PM

*Bump*

There can never be too much talk about nazis. It's just so deliciously controversial.
This documentary convinced me:
http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/

Have to start exploring the other evidence on this thread.

ingram0009

20-10-2008, 07:07 PM

There are two parts to this.

One is the holocaust myth. This is a cartoon version of WWII

The other part is that war is all about mass murder. Lots of people were killed during WWII. Lots of war crimes were commited on both sides.

stelios

20-10-2008, 07:13 PM

The bulk of these murders took place in special camps where the principal mechanism of execution was the homocidal gas chamber that utilized Zyklon B, a commercial pesticide whose active ingredient was hydrogen cyanide.
.
Zyklon B was invented by an Ashkenazi called Fritz Harber.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1918/haber.jpg
Haber was awarded the Nobel prize and in fact was the creator of all chemical warfare being the first to deploy them against the British and the Russians during WW1.
He was decorated by the Kaiser and also made an officer in the German army.
Please Remember this fact Fritz Haber an Ashkenazi was the inventor of Zyklon B and the inventor of chemical weapons and chemical warfare.

Haber's wife committed suicide unable to cope with the knowledge of her husbands war crimes.

During WW2 the same chemical weapons and Zyklon B were manufactured by another Ashkenazi called Theo Goldschmidt
Theo Goldschmidt was not a distinguished chemist, but instead exhibited great entrepreneurial skill over decades, particularly in times of crisis. It was largely due to his efforts that his company Th. Goldschmidt AG survived the global economic crisis in 1930-32 and the periods during and after WWII. His contribution was also crucial to the economic boom during the 1950s.
http://www.degussa-history.com/geschichte/MCMSbase/Pages/ProvideResource.aspx?respath=/NR/rdonlyres/AC4F0D51-1FCA-4816-ACF1-5AEB5B15F774/0/theo_goldschmidt.jpg
Initially, he extended a welcome to the National Socialists when they came to power but nevertheless maintained a certain distance.
Remember this fact as well - chemical weapons and gases including Zyklon B were made for the Nazis by an Ashkenazi called Theo Goldschmidt who was the owner of a chemicals company.

There are people who have posted that WW2 history should not be discussed, just accepted like the 9/11, 7/7 stories.
Without Rockefeller oil, Paul Warburg and JP Morgan, Ford, IBM, and others WW2 would not have been possible. Surely we want to expose these?

http://www.bryanrigg.com/images/HJSCover.jpg
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm

And before you ask, the author of this book is himself Jewish.

mynameis

20-10-2008, 07:17 PM

.
Zyklon B was invented by an Ashkenazi called Fritz Harber.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1918/haber.jpg
Haber was awarded the Nobel prize and in fact was the creator of all chemical warfare being the first to deploy them against the British and the Russians during WW1.
He was decorated by the Kaiser and also made an officer in the German army.
Please Remember this fact Fritz Haber an Ashkenazi was the inventor of Zyklon B and the inventor of chemical weapons and chemical warfare.

Haber's wife committed suicide unable to cope with the knowledge of her husbands war crimes.

During WW2 the same chemical weapons and Zyklon B were manufactured by another Ashkenazi called Theo Goldschmidt
Theo Goldschmidt was not a distinguished chemist, but instead exhibited great entrepreneurial skill over decades, particularly in times of crisis. It was largely due to his efforts that his company Th. Goldschmidt AG survived the global economic crisis in 1930-32 and the periods during and after WWII. His contribution was also crucial to the economic boom during the 1950s.
http://www.degussa-history.com/geschichte/MCMSbase/Pages/ProvideResource.aspx?respath=/NR/rdonlyres/AC4F0D51-1FCA-4816-ACF1-5AEB5B15F774/0/theo_goldschmidt.jpg
Initially, he extended a welcome to the National Socialists when they came to power but nevertheless maintained a certain distance.
Remember this fact as well - chemical weapons and gases including Zyklon B were made for the Nazis by an Ashkenazi called Theo Goldschmidt who was the owner of a chemicals company.

There are people who have posted that WW2 history should not be discussed, just accepted like the 9/11, 7/7 stories.
Without Rockefeller oil, Paul Warburg and JP Morgan, Ford, IBM, and others WW2 would not have been possible. Surely we want to expose these?

http://www.bryanrigg.com/images/HJSCover.jpg
http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm

What one hand gives....all revisionism is based on the killing power of Zyklon B and is proven as a chemical weapon. I still have a standing challenge to any revisionist willing to be put into a gas chamber without any breathing apparatus like the Jews in a confined area like the Jews and have Zyklon B pumped into the room for an hour or two. If they are right then we'll know.

runciter

20-10-2008, 07:30 PM

stelios

20-10-2008, 07:37 PM

What one hand gives....all revisionism is based on the killing power of Zyklon B and is proven as a chemical weapon. I still have a standing challenge to any revisionist willing to be put into a gas chamber without any breathing apparatus like the Jews in a confined area like the Jews and have Zyklon B pumped into the room for an hour or two. If they are right then we'll know.

You cant bat for both teams. Either Zyklon B was the killer - which means it was created by Fritz Haber and made by Theo Goldschmidt both Ashkenazi's and deployed against Jews, Poles, Gipsies, Catholics, Gays, Disabled, British, Russians, etc.
Or it wasnt a killer.

Do you deny that Israel's Stern Gang made a pact with Hitler against the British?
Dont you think that it is evil for Zionists to have collaborated with and even financed Hitler and his Nazis?
Why is it wrong to discuss and expose these facts in certain countries?

Why was compansation only paid to New York lawyers not to all the victims or their families?
Why have the New York lawyers been allowed to trademark the entire history of the Second World War?

mynameis

20-10-2008, 07:46 PM

Do you deny that Israel's Stern Gang made a pact with Hitler against the British?
Dont you think that it is evil for Zionists to have collaborated with and even financed Hitler and his Nazis?
Why is it wrong to discuss and expose these facts in certain countries?

Why was compansation only paid to New York lawyers not to all the victims or their families?
Why have the New York lawyers been allowed to trademark the entire history of the Second World War?

First, Fritz whoever doesn't matter in the slightest about WWII.
Israel didn't exist until after WWII, so I don't know why this is even in your question?
Do I think it is evil for people to collaborate to save their own lives? That's not so simple a question to answer to many who would live it out versus speculate.

Those who financed Hitler were from England and the United States so I don't know what kind of intent you think there might have been on their part.

If it is illegal to discuss a topic that violates the laws of those countries, I would work to get the laws changed or stop your bitching about it as it does nothing.

I don't know what your compensation about NY and families has to do with WWII.

Trademark the history of WWII? I think that you believe you live in Candyland, because no matter how badly you wish to believe, it won't make it so.

haukipesukone

20-10-2008, 07:58 PM

I've read only a small part of the thread, and most of that I've only browsed thourgh. But this comment caught my eye.

I believe Hitler was a good, strong leader who wanted to take back the power from the zionists who had hijacked Germany. I would never put Bush on par with Hitler. That would be an insult to Hitler. Hitler fought against the zionists, Bush is fighting for them because he is one of them.

I'm starting to be the holohoax really is a hoax, and Germans have been demonized for political purposes. Still I find it hard to believe that Hitler wasn't a "bad guy", definitely not as bad as he usually is depicted, but still I think he probably was a major class asshole.

I am fascinated by Hitler. There certainly is something in him that makes him stand out from all the other leaders of warlike nations in the history. I can't say if it's a good or a bad thing.

I think Hitler was an unwitting zionist pawn for them to get Israel.

That being said I'd like to know if there are books about Hitler that give a good objective picture of him? And what exactly are your reasons for believing as you do, Phantom? By the way, I'm not criticising you, I really want to know.

Still there's something amusing about the idea that 50 years from now when the world is better, the NWO is gone and the truth is out, Hitler will be remembered as a fallen hero who fought the ancient conspiracy that enslaved us for so long.

stelios

20-10-2008, 08:39 PM

damagedbrainn

20-10-2008, 11:12 PM

Hitler was a bad guy he was insane too.
Unfortunately he became a believer in Eugenics and this led him to believe that killing of inferior humans was ok. He even killed members of his own family like his disabled cousin.
Hitler's family history was not normal either. His grandfather was Jewish, His father was his mother's uncle and many of his siblings were killed by his own father whom Hitler grew to detest and hate.

But how does a nutter like this become leader?
He was sponsored by the British and Americans and others as Mynameis correctly states. But he forgets to state that Hitler was finaced by people like the Rockefellers and Paul Warburg and others who were mostly Ashkenazi Jewish.
Withour Rockefellers oil, JP Morgan and Warburgs money Hitler would not have been able to become leader nor would he have been able to wage war.
In 1929 Germany was bankrupt completely. Yet in a few years it built the biggest war machine the world has ever seen.
Airplanes, submarines, rockets, missiles, destroyers, tanks, etc
Chemical weapons made for the Nazis by a Jewish contractor Theo Goldschmidt.

The Israeli Stern Gang were fighting a terrorist war against Britian and made a pact with the Nazis to fight their common enemy - the British. Ofcourse the zionists want to brush that under the carpet.
They financed and supported Hitler.

So you believe that Hitler was insane, believed in eugenics, and even killed members of his own family. But the idea of him killing Jews in death camps is just too much of a stretch for you. You people are brilliant examples of cognitive dissonance.

And by "Israeli Stern Gang", I think you're referring to the militia that was known as Irgun, who, during WWII and their fighting against the British Imperialists in Palestinian territory, offered an alliance to Hitler against the British in exchange for Hitler's agreement to send the Jews being exiled by the Nazis to Palestine. The Nazi party never responded to their request, nor did they ever send any Jews their way. Though Irgun continued to fight the British in the territory anyway. That's actually a generally accepted part of the conflict's history, which you're trying to pretend is highly controversial and like super-secret or something.

tracker

20-10-2008, 11:19 PM

i refuse to deny others of the holocaust . jews were a majority , but lets not forget

invalids
cripples
gypsies
polish
american
british
french
russian
african
twins
mentaliy ill people .

no one was imune to the concentration camps .
no one !
if you didnt fit the blond haird blue eyes race , or was supected of being a terrorist or against the nazi

that was it
you inside for life
or for death

and make no mistake
there were some jews who worked on the stations that loaded up more jews for the camps , so lets face it
no one was imune .:cool:

charliebad

21-10-2008, 12:05 AM

Interesting thread..

haukipesukone

21-10-2008, 04:18 AM

But how does a nutter like this become leader?
He was sponsored by the British and Americans and others as Mynameis correctly states. But he forgets to state that Hitler was finaced by people like the Rockefellers and Paul Warburg and others who were mostly Ashkenazi Jewish.
Withour Rockefellers oil, JP Morgan and Warburgs money Hitler would not have been able to become leader nor would he have been able to wage war.
In 1929 Germany was bankrupt completely. Yet in a few years it built the biggest war machine the world has ever seen.
Airplanes, submarines, rockets, missiles, destroyers, tanks, etc
Chemical weapons made for the Nazis by a Jewish contractor Theo Goldschmidt.

The Israeli Stern Gang were fighting a terrorist war against Britian and made a pact with the Nazis to fight their common enemy - the British. Ofcourse the zionists want to brush that under the carpet.
They financed and supported Hitler.

That sounds plausible. Do you think Hitler knew Jews were sponsoring him, or maybe he thought the movie came from someone else?

runciter

21-10-2008, 09:29 AM

So you believe that Hitler was insane, believed in eugenics, and even killed members of his own family. But the idea of him killing Jews in death camps is just too much of a stretch for you. You people are brilliant examples of cognitive dissonance.

it isn't implausible, but it should be proved and withstand objections.

revisionists are questioning the 'final solution' and the gas chambers.

zarah

21-10-2008, 09:39 AM

For me, I find it completely galling that we're forbidden under law in many countries to discuss the concept of whether the history, as it is written, is correct. Contextual debate, supported by evidence, is paramount to getting to the true facts of any subject.

As a result of the holocaust, a country was built on top of another country without the consulation or permission of the people who lived there. That country is now responsbile for breaching human rights laws, ignoring nuclear treaties and UN resolutions under the guise of the notion that Jews were targetted and six million killed seventy years ago. If true historical analysis shows that this didn't happen to the extent that we are being forced to accept, it leaves Israel, which is an occuping power, without a supporting argument for its continued amoral behaviour.

accuracy

21-10-2008, 09:44 AM

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stelios

21-10-2008, 09:45 AM

Field Marshall Erhard Milch

Field Marshall Erhard Milch was tried as a war criminal by a United States Military Tribunal. He was convicted of two counts:

War crimes by participating in the ill-treatment and use for forced labour of prisoners of war and the deportation of civilians to the same ends,
Crimes against humanity by participating in the murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture, and use for slave labour of civilians who came under German control, German nationals, and prisoners of war.
His sentence was 15 years imprisonment but he was released EARLY in June 1954. He lived out the remainder of his life at Düsseldorf, where he died in 1972.

Field Marshall Erhard Milch was Ashkenazim Jewish.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/images/Milch.gif

wellsyboy

21-10-2008, 11:05 AM

stelios

24-10-2008, 01:14 AM

I was educated at two schools in the UK (5 to 11 and 11 to 18) and chose Biology for further education.

I can confirm that I WAS NEVER TAUGHT THAT 6 MILLION JEWS WERE MURDERED DURING WWII. I did not take History as a GCSE or A-Level (thankfully because it is merely others opinions on what happened) however I still had History taught to me from approx 7 to 14 years of age.

I guess my point is, if it is something that is being FORCED onto the youth, as so many people claim, then why wasn't it FORCED onto me during those 7 influential years between 7 - 14?? Anyone else in the same boat i.e. doesn't remember being taught about this subject at school (particularly the amount of Jews killed at the hands of the Nazis)?

The first I really learnt about this was from the series World At War, where I watched bodies being heaped into flaming pits on a conveyor belt, and then other footage of local Germans being made to look at bodies lying in pits.

So, was this a fabrication for a TV documentary or were these pictures of burning bodies in pits and conveyor belts real?? If so, surely that is your evidence that the "holocaust" did or didn't happen (i.e. if it was made-up for TV then it is a lie, or if the footage is genuine then it did happen).:confused:

I was also taught in a Church school in the UK.
We were not taught WW2 history full stop.
But today this stuff is certainly taught to my 3 kids.

By thed way, i find it strange that the H spammers dont want us to talk about this topic at all. Why not? Maybe they dont want people to unearth stuff like

The sinking of Jewish refugee ships calculated to elicit world sympathy such as the S.S. Patria in 1940 and the S. S. Struma in 1941 which cost the lives of 276 innocent Jews in the case of the former and 769 in the case of the latter. These were not victims of the Nazis.
These were victims of the USA, Britain and the USSR.
A USSR torpedo deliberately sunk the SS Sturma.
The sole survivor out of 769 passengers was 19-year-old David Stoliar. In 1943 he joined the British army in palestine to fight against the Irgun and the Stern Gang.
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/index.cfm

http://www.narrow-gate.net/jeffking/images/struma.jpg

charliebad

24-10-2008, 01:21 AM

What amazed me was when I saw the genocide in Canada!!

That was new. I mean it happens everywhere where we don't see it, but this was shocking and after I followed this up it turns out the shit is really hitting the fan!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsp667qKq90

haukipesukone

24-10-2008, 05:46 AM

What amazed me was when I saw the genocide in Canada!!

I saw it too couple of days ago. A much more believable genocide than the one that supposedly happened in Germany. Still I wonder if it was a fake. What would be the reasons for doing so?

It was very believable, but I won't completely accept something after seeing just one documentary.

damagedbrainn

24-10-2008, 10:13 AM

I saw it too couple of days ago. A much more believable genocide than the one that supposedly happened in Germany. Still I wonder if it was a fake. What would be the reasons for doing so?

It was very believable, but I won't completely accept something after seeing just one documentary.

If you're at all familiar with the treatment that Native Americans have traditionally received, particularly by Christian "missionaries", it's really not that surprising at all.

stelios

24-10-2008, 02:55 PM

deckard

24-10-2008, 04:19 PM

Who knows whats real anymore, it seems America totally set up and financed WW2 to save its own economy.
Which makes them just as guilty for all the dead Jews as the Germans.

accuracy

25-10-2008, 12:16 PM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/radar_dees.jpg

eternal_spirit

25-10-2008, 01:42 PM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/radar_dees.jpg

Yes this was one of the articles that got me thinking about how many lies have now been exposed about the War.

accuracy

26-10-2008, 10:59 AM

WWII And The Theft Of
German Intellectual Property

By Claus Nordbruch
Translated by Dagmar Brenne
10-25-8

Time and time again, one encounters the statement in regards to the German Third Reich, that the German Intellectual Elite had left Germany shortly after the establishment of the National Socialist Government in January 1933 and went into exile. But this appears questionable in the face of the undeniable fact that the Allies just before, and especially after the Capitulation of the German Wehrmacht (Army) in May 1945 abducted thousands of German scientists, skilled tradesmen and intellectuals. And tens of thousands of inventions, discoveries, trades symbols, patents, research findings and other intellectual property was stolen and in the light of this, one wonders if the above statement has any basis and reality of the true situation.

In 1945, immediately behind the Allied fighting troops the task force of Anglo/American units called CIOS followed hard at heel. These were under the command of the American officer Ted Beets and the British officer of supplies R.F. Sinsteed. These units had been given the task to view the intellectual property of the German Reich and to appropriate it if needed. Apart from this, the CIOS task force had orders to prevent the German Intellectuals from fleeing abroad. (1)

These CIOS task forces constituted 10,000 technicians and scientists, which were formed into 3,000 units and who forced their way into 33,000 German factories, laboratories, libraries and offices, confiscated documents, samples of materials, trade symbols, patent documentations and engines. They also interrogated top scientist and abducted the same (2).

In the Reich's patent office alone 186,000 files were stolen (3).

Basically everything was confiscated, stolen and plundered in all areas and endeavours that Germans had researched, developed and worked on, by the Allies, on fundamental principle - everywhere. The British "News Chronicles" gave the first review on 21 February 1946. Under the Title "Germany had to disclose its military riches" many of the German intellectual treasures looted by the British were listed here, whereby it is striking, that these riches were far less of a military nature than in the realm of medicine, technical developments and natural science.

Among these listed looted items were Eg. inventions and information for the production of synthetic fuel, synthetic rubber, synthetic lubrication oils, for synthetic fiber- and textile production, diesel motors, optical inventions, heavy printing presses, wind channels, in which speeds of up to 8.000 km/hr were achieved, infra red target instruments, cassette players, electric condensation machinery, durable fruit juices, machines for wrapping chocolates, sugar made from wood, synthetic sapphires for watches, synthetic glimmer, non-running durable stockings for ladies, machines for the production of butter, which produced 1,500 pounds of butter per hour, quartz watches, cellulose products, a multitude of pharmaceutical products, insecticides, cyanides for rust protection and as a substitute for zinc chrome, artificial leather, plastics, colour photography, sewing needles, an innumerable profusion of precision instruments, protective remedies for frost and thousands of other inventions in the area of chemistry, physics, technology and electronics, in which the Germans were streaks ahead of others nations, that is, by five, ten or more years advanced in development.

It was an almost unbelievable, fascinating magical world, that opened up to the Allied task force in these interrogations and conversations with the German intellectuals. The Germans spoke of travel into space, about inter-continental ballistic Rockets, artificial satellites, and other no less fantastical plans, such as the establishment of an "island in space", which would be fitted out with a gigantic mirror to catch the sun rays and beam them back to earth in bundled rays. (4)

But especially in the sphere of weapons- and rocket technology, the German Reich was unbelievably advanced in comparison to their allied enemies. Remote control for rockets and torpedoes, Infrared rays, Ultra sound, all methods of Jet-propulsion, Helicopters and rockets were known to them. The Germans had developed airplanes, March flying craft and the so-called flying disks, which reached speeds that were generally thought impossible, top speeds of an unbelievable 8,000 km/ hour were reached. Even in the most unlikely fields, which nowadays not only draw enthusiasts from the sphere of homeopathy and esoteric knowledge, the Germany of National Socialism was far advanced in regards to that kind of research.

In connection with this there are for instance examinations, done by the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute for Biophysics in Frankfurt/Main: "These concerned the relationship that electronically charged air has on health. Positive charged air is seen as dangerous to human health, because it causes discomfort and depressions, as for example caused by falling air pressure. Some people, so [it] was found, reacted to positive charged air with Asthma, Hayfever and nervousness. Blood pressure rose to the danger point. I caused all the symptoms of sicknesses known to mountain climbers: laboured and rapid breathing, dizziness, fatigue, insomnia and the like.

Negative charged air achieved the opposite. It had a cheering effect, gave a sense of mental freedom and well being. Emotional depressions could be removed in this manner. In pathological cases it was calming the breathing, and achieved the extinguishing of Allergies and Asthma. The importance of negative charged air comes into play, wherever human beings live and work or seek to recover from illness. The creation of these air ambiances will represent one day our main occupation." (5) The Germans achieved nothing other than to imbue the very air we breathe with added supplements, to manipulate in the person calmness, fear, irritation or cheerfulness, joy or depression according to requirement. (6)

In April 1945 soldiers of the 1st US Infantry division found in Volkenröde near Braunschweig at the air travel Research Institute Herman Göring, the most modern institute of its kind in the world . The Americans were dumb-founded:

"Alone the amount and excellent quality of the instruments, tools and testing equipment was overwhelming. In the aero dynamic Section were wind channels for low speeds, for under sonic, supersonic and the trans sonic divisions. The division for jet propulsion was equipped with a camera, which was able to take a thousand pictures per second, to determine how a flame builds up. In the low pressure chamber it was possible to create conditions as exist at a height of 15 km. In the weapons division were two shooting tunnels, to test the effects on flying rockets if subjected to side winds of up to eight hundred km/ hour ."(7)

These and innumerable other overwhelming evidences of the superiority of German research were gathered up to be taken over by the Americans and who were thus in the position to save inestimable money and untold man hours in research. What the Americans left over was plundered by the English in 1946, dismantled and carted off to Britain. In this way the island was able to establish four ultra modern centres for aeronautic research in Farnborough, Bedford and Fort Halstead.

An inconspicuous witness was the American journalist C. Lester Walkers, who, half year after the sensational list published in Britain, wrote an exhaustive report for the American monthly magazine: "Harpers's Bazaar" under the title "Secrets by the Thousands", in which he listed further details. In his article he describes the manifold work and duties of a special American task force in search of German patents and manufacturing secrets. These commando units found and appropriated no less than 150,000 tones of secret files, which were transported to the USA to be evaluated. A new dictionary with 40,000 special scientific words had to be worked out. The greatest part of these files had nothing whatsoever to do weapons and war efforts. (All quotes in italics in the following article are from Walkers' writing)

The production of Nylon stockings goes back to the synthesis of the Polyamid-fibres of the US company DuPont in the year 1932. The production and machines for the manufacture of cheaper manufacture are an invention of the Germans.

The Germans, commonly labelled as "The Nazis", had discovered one coloured artificial fibres with the characteristics of wool, artificial glimmer, high achieving butter churners and bread baking machines, artificial blood plasma and record turntables, to turn ten records automatically. The Infrared night vision equipment which was discovered with a sense of wonder, was immediately utilised against the Japanese, as well the method of cooling, which resuscitated those who were otherwise doomed to death.

They discovered rolls of plastic-like materials (tape for megaphones), which had an emulsion of Iron-oxide on one side, and on which could be filed the radio programs of an entire day - without gramophone needle and irritating external noises. At IG Farben they found 50,000 recipes for colours, which had been unattainable hitherto by the Americans. Another novelty was yeast, which could be produced in unlimited amounts and able to endure higher temperatures and which contained more protein and calories than beef.

There were revolutionary machines for the production of needles and of lady's stockings which would not ladder. In the whole world existed no method as the German one to mass produce cheese. They discovered the smallest and virtually indestructible condensation apparatus, as well the method of pasteurising milk, which had been tried in vain by the Americans.

Here we need to mention too the sensational German invention of the Infra red equipment, with the help of which it was made possible to see at night. German cars were able to drive at any speed even in total darkness and could make out objects at about a distance of two hundred meters as clearly as in daytime.

Tanks with this equipment were able to see signs at a distance of two miles. A German rifleman was able to use the Infra red long distance target range to shoot an enemy in total darkness. (8) The Americans utilised this plundered secret for the first time in Okinawa (April- June 1945) with amazing success.

But as well in the sphere of medicine the Germans had entered into revolutionary realms. For instance had Germans found a way of producing synthetic blood plasma. This was called "Capain" and the end result was equal to natural plasma. An other discovery was "Periston", a substitute for the thinning of blood. Another product of oxidisation of Adrenalin "adrenichtome" was produced by the Germans (called Nazis) in great quantities for combatting high blood pressure. "In the USA annually 700,000 die from this condition, so the population can be served with this discovery" as Walker proudly announced.

Of course at first there were rumours that "Nazi Scientists" had frozen trial persons to death, in order to resuscitate them afterwards. Finally, the American/Jewish Alpine Expert (Michael Bar-Zonat) found four "Nazi physicians" in a laboratory of the institute of aeronautic medicine on the Estate Hirschau in Bavaria. An American Medicine-Corps-Major, Leo Alexander, interrogated these physicians in June 1945, to establish, if experiments were conducted with human victims.

The true circumstances remained unresolved, especially since all laboratory equipment for small animals was carefully preserved, yet all equipment for larger animals was destroyed. Reports and files in regards to human experiments were nowhere to be found. But just then the allied Radio brought a terrible announcement about the concentration camp Dachau, where examinations were conducted on prisoners who had been in these freezing experiments. The wireless named the SS physician Dr. Siegmund Rascher as there responsible officer. Alexander travelled to the 7th American Army, who was in charge of the area in question and who had the reputation of having confiscated an amount of secret documents from the offices of the German protection units (Schutzstaffel).

And indeed , Alexander found a complete final report personally addressed to the SS Reichs leader Heinrich Himmler. In this, there is reported of seven individuals, who were dipped naked into ice water, until they lost consciousness. In this time they were continually monitored and readings recorded. Eg, the reactions of the skin, the inner temperature of the stomach, the pulse, blood sugar readings, reactions of blood corpuscles, bone marrow viscosity etc. In about 53 to 106 minutes the trial persons had died. The allies saw it as an admission of murder on seven persons. Yet this declaration is erroneous, since the German scientists succeeded to revive these clinically dead persons (total ceasing of heart function and breathing), by immediate dipping into hot water (122 degree Fahrenheit/ 50 degree Celsius). (In every one of the dread cases of this experiment the subjects were successfully revived, both temporarily and permanently, by immediate application of water.)

Even this, for the army important research resul,t was immediately transferred to the troops still fighting against Japan, to save fliers who could still be saved after lethal freezing experiences after being shot down. Exactly these cold exposure experiments saved Americans years of experimentation and research, according to a military surgeon of the American Army. The Germans technique for treatment after prolonged and usually fatal exposure to cold was regarded as revolutionary.

Nowadays this method of treatment after cold exposure has been adopted by all American air- and sea rescue services and is generally recognised by modern science branches. (9)

To add further to these explanations is only to say that it was no secret that there have been experiments done with humans. But in regards to these it is to necessary to stress that for these experiments were chosen volunteers. In the case of inmates of concentration camps these were informed of the risks involved before the examinations and experiments. They were lured with better prison conditions, shorter sentences or even immediate release from prison. The experiments with cold exposure have had trial runs with small animals before they were tried on humans. If is really came to cases of death has never been scientifically proved to date.

Also in the area of the textile branch had the search for German scientific and industrial secrets revealed hitherto unknown facts. For instance had the process of the German company of Rayon-knitting machines been able to save space and yet increase the production by 150%. Their left-by-left method in woven products resulted in non-laddering, durable Lady's stockings. A new German- developed machine for the manufacture of needles, would, according to Walker, revolutionise business in the USA as well as in the UK. In this case the skin or fibre had to be manipulated, and with the addition of the enzyme aspergil paracitius not only resulted in better wool but also in a 10% higher yield.

In the branch of food production, medicine and military technology were the secrets thus discovered no less impressive. One of the secrets of the food and nutrition industry was to sterilise fruit juices without the use of heat. The pasteurising process of milk by means of ultra violet rays always resulted in failure in other countries, yet the Germans found by way of extending the range of vision tubes considerably it was possible while at the same time enriching the milk with vitamin D. In a factory in Kiel British researchers of "the joint intelligence committee" found that cheeses of the "Holländer" and "Tilsit" kind were being produced by a new method at an unbelievable speed.

The cheese industry worldwide was not capable of anything coming remotely close. A dairy near Hamburg produced butter of a kind and quality highly prized by Americans, by means of a un-interrupted churning butter machine, the invention by the dairy machine factory in Stuttgart. This machine required less space than American machine and produced 1500 pounds of butter per hour. The machine was promptly shipped to the USA. Another novelty was to produce yeast in un-limited amounts, which besides that, was capable to be used at considerably higher temperatures and had double the amount of protein and several times higher than beef. Also the Germans had developed a method of preserving food by certain freezing techniques or conserve bread by means of a covering emulsion to lengthen its life to about eight months.

Of greatest importance for the future were "the Nazi secrets" in the sphere of aeronautics and of the different types of remote-control projectiles. The V2-rocket, which bombarded London, as commented on by an army-air force publication was a mere toy in comparison to what was envisaged by the Germans. When the war ended, the Americans knew that the Germans (the Nazis!) had 138 types of remote-controlled projectiles and -ignitions using: "Radio waves, radar systems, continual waves, Infrared, ultra sound, light trees and magnetism, just to mention a few."

For the propulsion were used all methods of jet drive, as also for lower, as well as supersonic speeds. Jet propulsion was even used for helicopters. The fuel used was lead to the fuel chambers in the points of the rotor blades and ignited, which caused them to rotate like the knives of a lawnmower. The German A4 Rocket, which was just then taken into production in great numbers, when the war ended, was 64 feet long, weighed more than 24,000 pounds and flew up to 230 miles distance. It rose about 100 miles above the earth and had a top speed of 3735 miles per hour, which is three times as fast as the rotation of the Earth, as it rotates around its own axle at the Equator. The secret of its top speed was the rocket motor, that burnt a mixture of liquid oxygen and alcohol.

This rocket was either radio controlled or self-guided by gyroscopic means to its target. Since the rocket was several times faster than sound, it could not be heard before it hit.

Another German rocket, which was still being developed, received the demarcation "A9". This rocket was bigger still, 29,000 pounds, and had wide wingspans, which enabled it to fly a distance of 3000 miles. It was produced in the famous Peenemünde army-trial station and achieved the unbelievable speed of 5670 miles per hour (about 8000 km/hr).

One long distance bomber, which, as the documents proclaim, had not yet been able to be produced, because the war had finished too soon, would have been capable of reaching New York from Germany within 40 minutes. Guided by just one pilot in an high pressure cabin it reached a height of about 154 miles. It was catapulted at 500 miles per hour, in order to reach its height in just 4 minutes. From there it would be gliding through the outer atmosphere, using up its fuel and then push down its target. With a hundred bombers of this kind the Germans estimated to be able to destroy every city on Earth in military actions lasting only a few days.

The Germans had also put inventions in place, which concerned themselves with the pilots, who would have to leave the plane at super speeds. Normally the head would be severed and the parachute would be riddled with holes upon opening. In order to prevent these unhappy events, an apparatus was invented, which would catapult the pilot instantly outside. The parachute was already full of holes, which was formed from bands, in criss-cross fashion, which slowed his fall until the decreasing pressure automatically freed the normal parachute.

A Nazi variation to radio piloted projectiles was the underwater torpedo, which would unerringly pursue its target, attracted by the noise of the propeller of the ship under attack. It functioned at about 40 miles per hour and left no vapor trail. As soon as it was underneath the target the explosion followed.

In the light of these fabulous inventions of the German Reich and the production of such futuristic weapons, the oft repeated slogans to urge the people to continue their war efforts by the ministry of propaganda of the German Reich appeared therefore quite feasible and by no means only nonsensical talk. In fact, had the war lasted just a few months longer or had the invasion been postponed by only half a year the war could have been won by Berlin. Some of these weapons were only in the trial stages or in the beginning of production and could have been ready for use, given more time. Alone the effect of radio directed weapons with their great accuracy would have created some horror. But not only these remote controlled projectiles, but also the jet aircrafts would have destroyed the allied bombing units, because the radio controlled torpedoes would have eliminated the enemy troop transports and warships.

According to the American clergy man Ludwig A. Fritsch the Americans stole from the Germans, those "giants of science, who had discovered the Tuberculosis-, Typhoid- and Diphtheria- Bacillus, as well as its antidotes, to free mankind from these plagues, who were able to split the atom and who found the x-rays, who were able to make fat from coal and who constructed the finest instruments on Earth," (10) Patents by the hundreds of tons, thefts whose value is not to be estimated, well into the billions in those days, which in our days would be worth well into the trillions of dollars, or, as the "Westfälische Nachrichten" newspaper so soberly exclaimed in January 1947 in these words: "With the removal of its patents and inventions, the German people have in fact paid reparations of such an extent, as no other nation in history has ever done before. These facts are being more or less conveniently overlooked abroad." And to this may be added, by post-war Germany as well!

The total quantity and value of patents stolen by the Allies can only be a rough estimate. The US-American professor for history (California and Düsseldorf), John Gimel, draws our attention to examples, in which the intellectual labour of a single German scientist or technician alone brought profits of X-million Dollars to the American companies(11). According to the disclosures of this historian the Allied forces stole German intellectual property and patents valued in the vivinity of 4,8 Billion to 12 Billion dollars.

According to the protocol of the Conference of representatives of companies and experts on 16. June 1948 in Königsstein the total value of the stolen drawings, patents and trademarks fluctuates between 12 to 30 Billion DM (Mark), of which the last figure seems most likely the more accurate. In the way of German intellectual property the "victors" confiscated about 346,000 German patents as war plunder, of which were 200,000 German patents, registered in foreign countries. Furthermore to be included in the count, there were 20,870 German trademarks and as many as 50,000 new colour shades, that had been developed in the IG Farben research centres. All in all the confiscations meant a loss for Germany of about 30 Billion DM according to Herbert Grabert. (As of 1952) (13).

For the necessary estimation of the value for the total quantity of the stolen patents alone, there exists, not surprisingly, no final and checkable number anywhere, not even in government departments where they could be expected to be held. So for instance, could the DIHT (Deutsche Industrie und Handelstag) only confess, that "unfortunately such knowledge is not available" (14)

And the DPMA (Deutsches Patent und Markenamt) found "it not possible to quantify the value of reparations incurred, due to the time-honoured confiscation by way of protective rights of German patents" (15) , while the Austrian Patent Office declares, that "examinations in regards to the mentioned stolen patents are entirely unknown." (16)

According to what guidelines could the losses and damages to the German Reich and the German nation be evaluated? The value of the stolen patents and products and the time spent and the costs necessary for the development of the products have to be added. The loss of profit for the German economy has to be worked out. Just in case such a cost-evaluation is at all possible- for at the end of the Nineteen Forties and the beginning of the Fifties such an endeavour on part of the West German Industry and Handelskammer (chamber of commerce) failed, for reasons of un-equal back-wash of companies, who feared taxation consequences if they gave the true values of their losses (17), even if this approximate valuation would be an estimation of astronomical proportions.

For C. Lester Walker the unbelievable multitude of volume appears as follows: "In 1945, the greatest theft of intellectual material took place. The discovered and stolen scientific, industrial and military secrets of National Socialist Germany were, Walker quotes with view of Washington, the greatest of this kind of robbery in the world, the first common and total exploitation of the intellectual material of an entire nation". In fact, it represents the greatest haul of intellectual property in human history.

Footnotes:

1 For details view Claus Nordbruch's book: ""Der deutsche Aderlaß. Wiedergutmachung an Deutschland und Entschädigung für Deutschland", Tübingen 2003, p 329 ff

2 Hans Dollinger (Hg) "Deutschland unter Besatzungsnächten 1945 1949, Seine Geschichte in Texten, Bildern und Dokumenten 1945-1949. München 1967 P. 282.

3 Compare Thomas STAMM ''"Zwischen Staat und Selbstverwaltung. Die deutsche Forschung in Wiederaufbau 1945 - 165" , Cologne 1981. p. 45

4 Michael Bar-Zohar, "Die Jagd auf die deutschen Wissenschaftler 1944 - 1960", Berlin 1966, page 48.

5C.Lester Walker, "translated edition, from Hans Werner Woltersdorf, "Die größte Geistbeute der Weltgeschichte", typed Manuscript o.O.u.o. J., S. 6

6 Michael Bar-Zohar, aaO. /(add. 4) P 152

7 Tom Bower, "Verschwörung Paperclip, NS-Wissenschaftler" München 1988, P 111f.

8 "German cars could drive at any speed in total blackout, seeing objects clear as day two hundred meters a head. Tanks with this device could spot targets two miles away. As sniper's cockpit enabled German riflemen to pick off a man on total blackness".

9 C. Lester Walker, "Secrets by the thousands", in Harper's Magazune, October 1946, p. 329ff., quoted http://www.histropgraphyproject.com/documents/ 19461000german_secrets.html

10 Ludwig A. Frisch, "Amerikas Verantwortung für die Verbrechung am deutschen Volk", Grabert, Tübingen 1969, P. 63

11 ebeda P. 100 f

12 ebeda P 100 f industrial disarmament 1945 - 1948", New Brunswick, 1946 P. 142

12 Nicholas Balabkins, "Germany under direct control. Economic aspects of industrial disarmament 1945 - 1948", New Brunswick, 1946 S 142

13 Herbert Grabert, "Hochschullehrer klagen as. Vom der Demontage deutscher Wissenschaft", Göttingen 1952, P. 25

14 From the letter by the German Industrie and Handelstag written to the Author on 20. July 2000.

15 Written to the author by the Deutschen Patenten- und Markenamtes, 31 August 2000.

16 Written to the author by the Österreichischen Patentamts von 3. August 2000.

17 Comp. John Gimbel, "Science Technology, and Reparations, Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany", Stanford 1990, P. 158

From the series 'Corrections To Moden History, The Treat Wendig' Book 2 Published by Grabert Publishers, 72006 Tübingen, PO. Box 169

mynameis

26-10-2008, 06:55 PM

[COLOR="Purple"]For me, I find it completely galling that we're forbidden under law in many countries to discuss the concept of whether the history, as it is written, is correct. Contextual debate, supported by evidence, is paramount to getting to the true facts of any subject.

You don't seem to be having difficulty to me, yet who is holding you back at the moment from discussing even this as a flying spaghetti monster?

dogsmilk

26-10-2008, 06:59 PM

Richard Krege, eh.

Does this mean the ten year anniversary of everyone's favourite non-GPR expert failing to publish or otherwise make available his alleged tremendously important data comprehensively overturning recorded history has finally come around?
And here's me thinking it had only been about nine years.

There was an interesting post about this on another forum ages ago regarding an image of Krege's that is available -

not being familiar with GPR and their scans, I did a little research, and came a cross this site for Ground Penetrating Radar In Archeology by Lawrence B. Conyers author of Ground-Penetrating Radar for Archeology. I couldn’t find the book in my library, and really didn’t have time to read it, so I sent an email to Professor Conyers, sending him the site and scan and asked his opinion, and he replied

Conyers wrote:I looked at the web site, and the image you sent. It is only one small part of his 'grid'. The picture shows him using a 200 MHz antenna and collecting about 1 meter spaced transects in a huge grid. That image is not processed, and only shows about a 5 meter long section in one line. And even in that profile it looks like a bunch of "things" in the ground on the right hand side that could easily be mass graves. It is apparent that this guy either does not know anything of GPR, or at the very least does not know how to process it. To really do a good job, the data need to be put into a 3-D cube of reflections and processed in a batch, including ALL the profiles collected. If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this you either need to get his data and let someone else process it, or re-collect it all and re-process your own data. This is NOT a scientific or representive study of the ground by any stretch.

I sent another email asking if from the sole picture posted as proof, could he tell if the land has been “disturbed” or not (and if I could quote him) and he replied.

Conyers wrote:that image is too vague for me to make ANY conclusions at all. Feel free to quote me however you feel that is will make the most impact. If he really wants to make us see his point, he should release his RAW data, and we can then have a real look at it....not just one piece of one profile, which is poorly processed.

not to appeal to authority here, but here is an archaeologist who has written books about using GPR saying that what krege has shown is nowhere near a scientific survey. Since the unprocessed scan above is the only public posting of krege’s investigation, and he claims that it shows “no mass graves”, but Conyers said even in that unprocessed form there was enough “things” in the ground that could easily be mass graves, who should we believe, the admitted novice or the GPR trained archaeologist?

Also, krege claims that there were no signs of disturbances (a claim even Conyers can’t make either way from the posted image), but what about the various bomb craters and other examination pits that lukaszkiewicz wrote about? How come krege didn’t pick these up? Maybe krege’s raw data shows more, but since none of it has been verified or published the call for more science rings hollow.

http://www.atheistparents.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14940&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

ingram0009

26-10-2008, 07:04 PM

Time and time again, one encounters the statement in regards to the German Third Reich, that the German Intellectual Elite had left Germany shortly after the establishment of the National Socialist Government...

The real reason for WWII was that Nazi Germany was an economic competitor.

World leaders hate other countries that have a different economic strategy.
The reason for this is because world leaders design their own economic strategy, not to be the best strategy, but to encompass their own self interests.

For example if you were to say to a billionaire...

I have a great idea to make more money, we sack 1000 people and replace them with a computer that does the same job. The billionaire would be all for it.

But when you say, then Mr Billionaire we sack you and replace you with this other machine that does your job twice as well. The billionaire will react very differently.

The same is true for the so called 'elite'.
The system is designed to encompass the self interest of the elite.

mynameis

26-10-2008, 07:09 PM

The real reason for WWII was that Nazi Germany was an economic competitor.

World leaders hate other countries that have a different economic strategy.
The reason for this is because world leaders design their own economic strategy, not to be the best strategy, but to encompass their own self interests.

For example if you were to say to a billionaire...

I have a great idea to make more money, we sack 1000 people and replace them with a computer that does the same job. The billionaire would be all for it.

But when you say, then Mr Billionaire we sack you and replace you with this other machine that does your job twice as well. The billionaire will react very differently.

The same is true for the so called 'elite'.
The system is designed to encompass the self interest of the elite.

Lol. I'd pay money to see that. Perhaps this is the solution to the banking industry.

stelios

27-10-2008, 06:55 AM

That sounds plausible. Do you think Hitler knew Jews were sponsoring him?

Erik Jan Hanussen was Adolf Hitler's advisor. His clairvoyant. His guru. His mentor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vpVLB_L3zY

http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/G/r/e/1/erik-jan-hanussen.jpg

Despite his Jewish heritage, he became friends with Karl Ernst, commander of Berlin’s Storm Troopers, Edmund Heines, the S.A. Gruppenführer, and Count von Helldorf, another leader of Berlin’s Brownshirts. Hanussen was introduced to the Hitler by Hilter’s personal photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann. It has been claimed by several German journalists that Hanussen personally coached Hitler on his public speaking. With his formidable stage background and presence, he was able to teach Hitler how to gesture, how to emphasize phrases and dramatize his speech. They credit Hanussen – this mentalist and stage magician – with helping Hitler develop his phenomenal magnetic appeal and hypnotic rhetorical talent, which he used to lead his nation to war and delusional dreams of world dominance.

Sources say that it was Hanussen who recommended that the Nazis adopt the swastika as their symbol. It was an “Indian luck symbol”, he told them, that promised them good fortune in their ambitions.

deckard

27-10-2008, 07:09 AM

You don't seem to be having difficulty to me, yet who is holding you back at the moment from discussing even this as a flying spaghetti monster?

I for one would dearly love to see a flying spaghetti monster.

mynameis

27-10-2008, 07:14 AM

I for one would dearly love to see a flying spaghetti monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqg

stelios

27-10-2008, 07:32 AM

The Jews against Zionism website makes some rather ludicrous assertions such as suggesting that the Zionists were somehow in control of Jewish emigration/immigration all over the world?

Adolf Eichmann

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB150/ssuniformnara1933.jpg

The Central Office for Jewish Emigration was established in Vienna in August 1938 and was headed by Adolf Eichmann. The purpose was to force as many Jews as possible to emigrate. In order to do so, he fixed quotas of Jews, who had to leave and made the Jewish community responsible for filling them out. He set up the Central Office so that all arrangements for emigration could be made in one location. Rich Jews were to finance the emigration of the poorer ones. Eichmann's methods and policies served as a model for the entire Reich and on January 24, 1939 the Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was established with Reinhard Heydrich at the head. It was charged with the task of using all available means to prompt Jews to emigrate and establishing a Jewish organisation that would incorporate all of German Jewry and co-ordinate emigration from the Jewish side.

Prior to this in 1937, Adolf Eichmann went to the British Mandate of Palestine with Herbert Hagen to assess the possibilities of massive Jewish emigration from Germany to Palestine. They met Feival Polkes, an agent of the Haganah, who discussed with them the plans of the Zionists and tried to enlist their assistance in facilitating Jewish emigration from Europe. The Haganah were the Zionist insurgents who were fighting in Palestine the most militant elements of the Haganah splintered off and formed the Irgun.

Pretty clear?

The cia protected him after WW2
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB150/index.htm

dogsmilk

27-10-2008, 09:01 AM

Yes Stelios, Eichmann discussing emigration with Zionists proves that Zionists controlled Jewish emigration/immigration all over the world. It surely does.

runciter

27-10-2008, 10:26 AM

Yes Stelios, Eichmann discussing emigration with Zionists proves that Zionists controlled Jewish emigration/immigration all over the world. It surely does.

they wanted to control it, and they used every possible means.

runciter

27-10-2008, 10:29 AM

You don't seem to be having difficulty to me, yet who is holding you back at the moment from discussing even this as a flying spaghetti monster?

researchers get jailed for expressing dissenting views on this subject.

dogsmilk

27-10-2008, 01:51 PM

they wanted to control it, and they used every possible means.

Oh well, that explains everything...

runciter

27-10-2008, 02:05 PM

Oh well, that explains everything...

it gives you a clue, if you want to understand what happened.

stelios

28-10-2008, 06:33 AM

Yes Stelios, Eichmann discussing emigration with Zionists proves that Zionists controlled Jewish emigration/immigration all over the world. It surely does.
What no debate?
No counterpunches?
This is the games you guys play, never letting the facts get in the way of your agenda.

There was high level collusion between Nazis and Zionists who essentially wanted the same thing.
There were zionists at the heart of the Third Reich.
And the operation was financed to a degree by zionist businessmen and bankers.
Many zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

Why are you reluctant to condemn or criticise their part in your official narrative?

friendship

28-10-2008, 11:21 PM

around 270 thousand died, half of them under allied administration of the camps, that is, post liberation.

52 thousand total deaths at auschwitz prison camp because of the war, not the 4 million to 1.4 million figures of the six million myth.

'and six million jews died in world war one' so the zionist legend goes.

the six figure is borrowed by mystic kabalism from pagan babylonia. it is symbolic...or a yarn and story, a fantasy.

a strange fantasy sure, but how else can they speak of these resentments and issues in a respectable way?

astrochicken

29-10-2008, 12:12 PM

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 12:36 AM

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 12:39 AM

What no debate?
No counterpunches?
This is the games you guys play, never letting the facts get in the way of your agenda.

There was high level collusion between Nazis and Zionists who essentially wanted the same thing.
There were zionists at the heart of the Third Reich.
And the operation was financed to a degree by zionist businessmen and bankers.
Many zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

Why are you reluctant to condemn or criticise their part in your official narrative?

To what? What was your big point?

Nevertheless, you have already ignored all the points I made on that One third of the Holocaust thread and - as predicted - simply gone on to repeat the same crap on another thread and you have ignored a simple question on the Toben thread...where is your debate, where is your counterpunch?

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 12:40 AM

Precisely the way i see it and those figures appear in all sorts of written records. For anything else, i'd like to see proof, as jailing revisionists doesn't really prove anything except fear of the truth.

True, because they know if truths like this get out, it leads people to look into other things such as the group (Zionist Jews) who funded and lead the bolsheviks and set up the Gulag death camps which ran from 1917 to 1958.

stelios

31-10-2008, 01:56 AM

To what? What was your big point?

Nevertheless, you have already ignored all the points I made on that One third of the Holocaust thread and - as predicted - simply gone on to repeat the same crap on another thread and you have ignored a simple question on the Toben thread...where is your debate, where is your counterpunch?

What points have you made.
Nobody is going to read your long cut and paste stuff taken from H spam sites.
Where are your own thoughts.
You know my thoughts, i believe we have been lied to about many things most important of which is Zionist support, participation and complicity in the rise of Hitler and the events of WW2.
You still refuse to criticise or do you share the Zionist view "that one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe"?

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 09:33 AM

What points have you made.
Nobody is going to read your long cut and paste stuff taken from H spam sites.
Where are your own thoughts.
You know my thoughts, i believe we have been lied to about many things most important of which is Zionist support, participation and complicity in the rise of Hitler and the events of WW2.
You still refuse to criticise or do you share the Zionist view "that one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe"?

Look Stelios, I raised a number of points on the 'one third of the Holocaust thread' (currently in the rant room) which did not involve "cut and paste stuff taken from H spam sites" (whatever they are) which you refused to address.
You refuse to answer the simple question of whether you personally think Jews were gassed.
The Zionists were not instrumental in the rise of Hitler, but there is no point getting into that with you because it is impossible to have a conversation with you. You just ignore replies. In our many clashes on 911UK, I have explained on numerous occasions I am not a fan of Zionism, but you seemed there unable to grasp the astonishingly simple point this does not therefore mean I must endorse every crackpot theory about Zionism you come up with and I daresay that hasn't changed. But what do you expect from a man who confidently claims crack addled ol' Amy Winehouse is a "Zionist" while feeling it totally unnecessary to provide any evidence of her political opinions? You go round calling people "Khazars" and "Zionists" willy nilly just because you don't want to say "Jews". You are a sad specimen.
Until you demonstrate the ability to engage in two-way rational conversation, I see little point in interacting with you beyond highlighting some of your more asinine assertions.

tracker

31-10-2008, 09:40 AM

You still refuse to criticise or do you share the Zionist view

"that one cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe"?

why would you want people to ciritsize this ? and anyway arent cows sacred ? :cool:

runciter

31-10-2008, 10:48 AM

The Zionists were not instrumental in the rise of Hitler

what about the bolshevik mass murderers? and the bankers?

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 11:48 AM

what about the bolshevik mass murderers? and the bankers?

I'm not sure exactly how Stalin's crimes evidence the hypothesis that Zionists were instrumental in the rise of Hitler.

Or how saying "the bankers" does.

runciter

31-10-2008, 11:58 AM

I'm not sure exactly how Stalin's crimes evidence the hypothesis that Zionists were instrumental in the rise of Hitler.

i'm not talking about stalin..

Or how saying "the bankers" does.

ok, let's say the rothschilds.

mynameis

31-10-2008, 01:42 PM

To pinpoint both sides. I think the US, England threw Hitler under the bus as a Manchurian candidate. Real or imagined pressure was placed on Hitler's shoulders. When he started claiming racial superiority and problems belittling coexistence in favor of applied eugenics, this may have been the deciding factor. Remember the holocaust never was trouble to the US or Britain even though it gave them an extra effort to make the war effort more efficient. Comparing apples and oranges, the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam and the hearings for eyewitness statements leave room that human nature kicks into gear and can fool some minds. Whether planned or unintentional genocide their eyes is a point, however small or large the numbers, people were rounded up, herded, executed and worked until death. There's no escaping the vast amounts of uncovered evidence; unless you are a supporter of nazi's and all their programs. I by no means find that all Germans are equally responsible. The world's collective guilt is still a valuable learning trait for all humankind.

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 02:33 PM

i'm not talking about stalin..

ok, let's say the rothschilds.

Look, rather than leave a series of cryptic clues, perhaps you could try formulating some kind of argument...?

damagedbrainn

31-10-2008, 04:15 PM

What no debate?
No counterpunches?
This is the games you guys play, never letting the facts get in the way of your agenda.

There was high level collusion between Nazis and Zionists who essentially wanted the same thing.
There were zionists at the heart of the Third Reich.
And the operation was financed to a degree by zionist businessmen and bankers.
Many zionists collaborated with the Nazis.

Why are you reluctant to condemn or criticise their part in your official narrative?

1) America openly accepts any and all refugees/immigrants who arrive here from Cuba. Does this prove that the American Government is behind Fidel Castro?

2) How many Jews actually immigrated to Palestine during WWII, as a result of these talks?

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 04:18 PM

Look, rather than leave a series of cryptic clues, perhaps you could try formulating some kind of argument...?

Search engines are your friends and this forum and threads on these topics have loads of info. Pity some here want people like me to do all the research.

runciter

31-10-2008, 05:03 PM

Look, rather than leave a series of cryptic clues, perhaps you could try formulating some kind of argument...?

bolshevik terror started almost immediately after the revolution.

the rothschids are the string pullers behind both world wars etc.

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 05:26 PM

Have you read Benjamin Freedman's accounts? (he's Jewish)

www.jewwatch.com (http://www.jewwatch.com/) great site Freedman's quotes amongst others can be found.

If you wanna read up on Zionism this is about the best site on the net. They've tried to pull his site and ban his videos from youtube (that's enough proof for me that there's much truth on there)

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 05:32 PM

Search engines are your friends and this forum and threads on these topics have loads of info. Pity some here want people like me to do all the research.

Look, if you're going to advance a specific argument, it's rather strange thing to think people will google something and find out exactly what you're trying to say in your particular argument, particularly when there may a variety of competing takes on it. I still don't understand how the "Bolshevik terror" is evidence that Zionists levered Hitler into power. And the Rothchilds as "string pullers" is a very broad and sweeping statement which does not evidence Zionists levering Hitler into power. I suppose you'd also need to explain why the Nazis then went for Rothchild assets when they were actually in power and why the Rothchilds had to flee. And they apparently nicked some stuff too -
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19990213/ai_n14213408

I'm not being funny, but your "research" involves reading and quoting websites I personally regard as utter garbage.

Anyway, I'll hopefully see you crazy kids in a while. I'm away for the weekend. Have fun!

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 05:33 PM

runciter

31-10-2008, 05:38 PM

I suppose you'd also need to explain why the Nazis then went for Rothchild assets when they were actually in power

when they tried to do this, england declared war on germany.

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 05:40 PM

He converted to Catholicism.

And proceeded to make wild, uncorroborated statements.

Jewwatch eh?
Charming.

I've read enough of your posts and you've not convinced me of anything so far. You've completely missed the point of my post - Jewwatch site has many quotes from Jewish sources including the Jewish Encyclopaedia (which is said to be an accurate source) :D

runciter

31-10-2008, 05:43 PM

I still don't understand how the "Bolshevik terror" is evidence that Zionists levered Hitler into power.

russian revolution was a rothschild game, and fear of communism led to nazism.

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 05:44 PM

He converted to Catholicism.

And proceeded to make wild, uncorroborated statements.

Jewwatch eh?
Charming.

Showing your colours now (ohh because you claim he's catholic which I've never heard before) that somehow makes his info wrong?:rolleyes:
Now that you mentioned it
Google (Jewish Popes) boy you're in for a suprise

And what wild statements?
anything as dumb as the 6 million figure?

dogsmilk

31-10-2008, 06:08 PM

Showing your colours now (ohh because you claim he's catholic which I've never heard before) that somehow makes his info wrong?:rolleyes:
Now that you mentioned it
Google (Jewish Popes) boy you're in for a suprise

And what wild statements?
anything as dumb as the 6 million figure?

No, but since he converted to Catholicism I don't think it's entirely accurate to say he was a Jew.
Whether he was Jewish or Catholic doesn't affect the plausibility of his claims either way.

I've read enough of your posts and you've not convinced me of anything so far.

Well guess what...

Google (Jewish Popes) boy you're in for a suprise

Not really. I've heard of this, don't know anything about it and don't much care. Like, if a pope had a Jewish parent or grandparent or something...so what?

And what wild statements?
anything as dumb as the 6 million figure?

Oh like all that stuff about about the Zionists in WWI.

when they tried to do this, england declared war on germany.

But not for a while, eh?

russian revolution was a rothschild game, and fear of communism led to nazism.

The first is another bald statement.
I think the second is partly true, but that doesn't...oh forget it

eternal_spirit

31-10-2008, 06:16 PM

Dogsmilk, I thought you meant Frank who runs the Jewwatch site converted to Catholicism. lol. Jews claim that if their mother is Jewish then they are themselves, although others will say Jewishness is not a race but a religion. Which is kind of weird, if your father was a Jew and you believe that Jewishness is a race then therefore you could also said to be Jewish (logical and applies to any other race)

Not to mention Crypto Jews (but I know you propbably don't buy that)

runciter

31-10-2008, 06:32 PM

The first is another bald statement.

http://www.henrymakow.com/000275.html

I think the second is partly true, but that doesn't...oh forget it

no communism, no nazism..

dogsmilk

02-11-2008, 02:37 PM

http://www.henrymakow.com/000275.html

no communism, no nazism..

Well I suspect the first thing is a shaggy dog story. For a start, I've never seen anything about this 'Dr. J. Landowsky' outside of citations of the RS - did he definitely exist? For another, I have numerous problems with the text and the way it's written. I appreciate they'd be my personal arguments from incredulity and I simply cannot be arsed to investigate for myself some of the things I think are wrong with it, so I won't go into all the things I don't like about it.Though interestingly,

Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:57:34 -0400 From: patricksmcnally@aim.com

... As for the alleged "Rakovsky interview" which appears in "Red Symphony," that, at least in its present form, is clearly a fake. The World Bank was formed out of the Bretton Woods conference of 1944. Christian Rakovsky himself died in 1941 and his trial occurred in 1938. There is no way that the real Rakovsky could have made a comment such as 'I think I shall not be wrong if I tell you that not one of "Them" is a person who occupies a political position or a position in the World Bank.' This comment was obviously written as bait for a paleo-conservative audience of the 1950s, many of whom liked to charge that the World Bank and any other internationally functioning organizations were 'Communist.' Whether that means that the actual script was written by a paleo-conservative of the 1950s or by someone else with an altogether different motive, who really knows? But it certainly wouldn't have been the authentic Rakovsky making such a comment about the World Bank 6 years before the Bretton Woods conference.

Patrick S. McNally

Is on the same page as the RS text if you follow the link off the page you gave.

Whether there would have no Nazism (or something very similar) is one of those counterfactuals you could spend hours debating if you were sufficiently knowledgeable, which I'm not. spend hours debating, though Obviously things would have been different Without Marxism would, say, anarcho-syndicalism have been much bigger? Would there have been communism without the oppression of the working class? How different would Germany have been without Bismarck? What would have happened if there had been no Judaism and hence no Christianity or Islam?
Who knows?

I still don't see why this mean Zionists levered Hitler into power. I suspect you're going to try to argue communism is Zionist or something.

Dogsmilk, I thought you meant Frank who runs the Jewwatch site converted to Catholicism. lol. \

LOL, I can see what you meant then.

Jews claim that if their mother is Jewish then they are themselves, although others will say Jewishness is not a race but a religion. Which is kind of weird, if your father was a Jew and you believe that Jewishness is a race then therefore you could also said to be Jewish (logical and applies to any other race)

Not to mention Crypto Jews (but I know you propbably don't buy that)

Well, people tend to invent different definitions all over the place. The Nazis invoked 'racial' characteristics but also invoked the practice of Judaism as a defining characteristic when it came to deciding exactly who was Jewish. In fact, the Nuremburg Laws show how difficult and relatively arbitrary it was to seriously define Jews by some kind of applicable formula. And of course you can convert to Judaism and then I can't see how you're not a Jew. If you decide you believe in Christianity or that there's no God or whatever, I can't personally see why you're still a Jew. I know someone who didn't find out until they were an adult that they're from a Jewish family - are they suddenly 'a Jew' despite neither knowing much or caring about Judaism? I just can't see how you can label a belief system as a 'race'. Even if cohorts from particular areas may share some genetic identifiers, that's about what part of the world they're from, not what they believe. If some Jews classify themselves as a race, I'd have to say I disagree. But then I don't really believe in 'race' as being particularly meaningful or significant.
One of the things I find daft about this 'Jews control the media/world/universe stuff is it tends to rely on playing 'spot the Jew' in a kind of genealogical Kevin Bacon game. I think this 'crypto-Jew' stuff is a tool that can be used here to write into Jewish conspiracy narratives why people who've never been near a Synagogue in their life are nevertheless attending these secret Jewish world domination planning meetings that happen in people's heads.

runciter

02-11-2008, 03:42 PM

Well I suspect the first thing is a shaggy dog story.

i'm surprised.

Who knows?

i think i know.

I still don't see why this mean Zionists levered Hitler into power.

the rothschilds.

dogsmilk

02-11-2008, 04:04 PM

i'm surprised.

i think i know.

the rothschilds.

Look, I'm not being funny but this isn't much of a 'debate' is it?

runciter

02-11-2008, 04:19 PM

i think the rothschilds pre-planned all the events we are discussing here.

dogsmilk

02-11-2008, 04:27 PM

i think the rothschilds pre-planned all the events we are discussing here.

I think they didn't.

runciter

02-11-2008, 04:32 PM

I think they didn't.

i think they're the driving force behind historical changes since the late 18th century.

thetonic

02-11-2008, 04:54 PM

Dogsmilk, are you a Zionist by chance or choice?

dogsmilk

02-11-2008, 06:26 PM

Dogsmilk, are you a Zionist by chance or choice?

No. As - funnily enough - I've already said on this thread.

thetonic

02-11-2008, 06:37 PM

No. As - funnily enough - I've already said on this thread.

You might want to add that in your signature for future reference...:)

thetonic

02-11-2008, 06:41 PM

here you go...

shilling for the holohoax since 2007

P.S. - Not a Zionist

accuracy

03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/tazebook_dees.jpg

dogsmilk

03-11-2008, 12:15 PM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/tazebook_dees.jpg

Yeah, like that happens in America (which is where John Dees is) and it's universally Zionists that back any prohibitions of denial.

~Such accuracy

haukipesukone

03-11-2008, 01:35 PM

"Truth does not fear investigation."

Simply beautiful.

oiram

22-03-2009, 09:50 AM

jewish child porn / snuff film ring discovered
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jewish gangsters raped, killed children as young as 2 on film

subject: Jew kiddie snuff porn
date: Fri, oct 13, 2000, 12:24 am
italian and russian police brake up child snuff porn ring
mon oct 9 17:39:53 2000

lsn staff

according to the talmudic en-cyclopedia: 'he who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: "thy fellow's wife" rather than the alien's wife; and even the precept that a man "shall cleave unto his wife" which is addressed to the gentiles does not apply to a jew, just there is no matrimony for a heathen; and al-though a married gentile woman is forbidden to the gentiles, in any case a jew is exemp-ted.' this does not imply that sexual inter-course between a jewish man and a gentile woman is permitted - quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the jew: 'if a jew has coitus with a gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmar-ried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day - because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a jew got into trouble. The jew, however, must be flogged, and if he is a kohen (member of the priestly tribe) he must receive double the number of lashes, because he has committed a double offense: A kohen must not have inter-course with a prostitute, and all gentile wo-men are presumed to be prostitutes.

Israel shahak, jewish history, jewish religion, pluto press, london 1994, page 87

rome, italy -- italian and russian police, working together, broke up a ring of jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape and snuff pornography.

Three russian jews and eight italian jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from russian orphanges, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in italy, and and unknown number in the united states, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered.

Jewish officials in a major italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by italisn news reporters, who broadcasts scenes from the films live at prime time on italisn television to more than 11 million italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading "blood libel."

throughout history, various groups have accused sects of jews of ritually murdering small children. One such account, that of hugh of lincoln, led to the expulsion of all jews from britain in the 13th century. Such accounts have generally been discounted, but are so wide spread that jewish organizations have developed a name for them -- "blood libel".

The american group the adl was founded to defend a jew, leo frank, accused of raping and murdering a five year old girl, mary fagan, in his atlanta pencil factory in 1913. The adl claims he was innocent. A mob lynched him after the governor commuted his death sentence to life in prison.

Though ap and reuters both ran stories on the episode, us media conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, again saying the story would prejudice americans against jews.

Jewish gangsters in russia have become increasingly linked to traffic in "white slaves" and prostitutes through israel, according to a recent report in the jerusalem post. Israel turns an official blind eye to forced prostitution, and does not punish israeli citizens who choose to own "sex slaves", as long as the slaves are foreign and non-jews.

London, sunday, 01.10.2000

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4070446,00.html

special investigation
british link to 'snuff' videos

jason burke in london, amelia gentleman in moscow, philip willan in rome

observer - sunday october 1, 2000

britain is a key link in the biggest ever international investigation into the production and supply of paedophile 'snuff' movies - in which children are murdered on film - an observer investigation can reveal.

The key suspect in the inquiry, a russian who was arrested last week in moscow for distribution of thousands of sadistic child porn videos and pictures, was traced following the seizure of his products from british paedophiles.

Dmitri vladimirovich kuznetsov, a 30-year-old former car mechanic in moscow, was identified after british customs and police traced the origin of violent child porn videos found in the uk back to russia.

Last week italian police seized 3,000 of kuznetsov's videos on their way to clients in italy, sparking an international hunt for paedophiles who have bought his products. The italian investigators say the material includes footage of children dying during abuse. Prosecutors in naples are considering charging those who have bought the videos with complicity in murder. They say some may have specifically requested films of killings.

British authorities yesterday confirmed that scores of kuznetsov's videos, produced in his small flat in moscow's rundown vykhino district, have been found in the uk. They are concerned that 'snuff' movies in which children are killed may have also been imported.

Around a dozen british men have already been arrested and charged with offences alleged to be connected to the russian tapes. A second russian child porn ring, which allegedly had a british distributor, was broken up earlier this year. The investigation into the importing of violent russian child porn which led to the identification and subsequent imprisonment of kuznetsov started about 15 months ago after customs seized material coming into the country. Since then there have been dozens of other finds.

'we have seen some very, very nasty stuff involving sadistic abuse of very young children, but actual deaths on film takes it a whole step further. That is very worrying,' said one senior customs officer this weekend.

British paedophiles were paying between £50 and £100 for kuznetsov's tapes, the officer said. Further fees were paid for access to a website that features pictures of extremely violent abuse.

Though two men arrested with kuznetsov have also been imprisoned by moscow authorities, only one of the three remains behind bars. Dmitri ivanov was sentenced to 11 years for actually participating in the abuse that was being filmed. The others were released under an amnesty aimed at clearing russia's overcrowded prisons.

When officers from the moscow criminal investigation department raided kuznetsov's flat they found two boys in a makeshift studio. They seized a huge quantity of films and other pornographic material as well as lists of clients in italy, germany, america and britain.

Last week italian detectives moved in, following months of inquiries, and arrested eight people. The police searched more than 600 homes and say they now have evidence against about 500 people. Among the suspects were businessmen, public employees and a university student. Several of them were married, with children of their own. Hundreds of people are also under investigation in germany.

The russian videos, which had been ordered over the internet, were intercepted when they came into italy by post, repackaged and then delivered by undercover police officers. They cost between £300 and £4,000, depending on what type of film was ordered.

Covert film of young children naked or undressing was known as a 'snipe' video. The most appalling category was code-named 'necros pedo' in which children were raped and tortured until they died.

Police in russia and the uk believe that kuznetsov and his associates have been in business for more than two years in which time they are believed to have recruited around 100 boys - aged between nine and 15 - to be filmed.

'most of the children were rounded up from railway stations. A lot of them came from the suburbs, or surrounding regions and were from deprived, problem families,' said kiril mazurin, a police spokesman.

'usually when children like this arrive in the capital, they've got no idea where to go and hang around in the station. It's very easy to entice this kind of teenager - with a promise of a warm bed or a trip to the cinema.'

many were lured away from orphanages. 'children are not locked in,' said mazurin. 'anyone can come along and promise them a meal at mcdonalds. It doesn't take any more than that."

some children were paid a commission to find other boys willing to be filmed, according to reports in the russian press, for a fee of between 100 and 300 roubles (£2.50 - £7).

Kuznetsov had given up his job in 1998 to devote himself to the lucrative pornography industry. A self-taught computer expert, he was in the process of upgrading his equipment to allow him to e-mail videos directly to clients when police raided him.

Many customers repeatedly ordered videos from him. The naples newspaper il mattino published a transcript of an alleged email exchange between a prospective client and the russian vendors.

'promise me you're not ripping me off,' says the italian.

'relax, i can assure you this one really dies,' the russian responds.

'the last time i paid and i didn't get what i wanted.'

'what do you want?'

'to see them die.'
__________________
"your enemy is not surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your
country." -zionist george w. Bush

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4070446,00.html

Please more and in big letters all over the world!

Human Rights Hah! ....... Fucking bullshit.

Israel better gets there own people into order http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/mirror.gif

Death penalty for all these types of people Jew or none Jew.
The same for all major corrupter's anything above 1 million Dollar Corruption.
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Don't ever make me the judge over these types of People.

If there are anyone living by these rules ..... all I can say is Fuck you & die quick & I don't give a shit if you are a Jew or a freaking monkey!
LSN Staff

According to the Talmudic En-cyclopedia: 'He who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: "thy fellow's wife" rather than the alien's wife; and even the precept that a man "shall cleave unto his wife" which is addressed to the Gentiles does not apply to a Jew, just there is no matrimony for a heathen; and al-though a married Gentile woman is forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exemp-ted.' This does not imply that sexual inter-course between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted - quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew: 'If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmar-ried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day - because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble. The Jew, however, must be flogged, and if he is a Kohen (member of the priestly tribe) he must receive double the number of lashes, because he has committed a double offense: a Kohen must not have inter-course with a prostitute, and all Gentile wo-men are presumed to be prostitutes.

oiram

22-03-2009, 09:55 AM

Gilad Atzmon – War On Terror Within: The End of Jewish History
http://palestinethinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jewish_magen_david_clock.jpgThe issue I am going to discuss today is probably the most important thing I’ve ever had to say about Israeli brutality and contemporary Jewish identity. I assume that I could have shaped my thought into a wide-ranging book or an analytical academic text but instead, I will do the very opposite, I will make it as short and as simple as possible.

In the weeks that have just passed we had been witness to an Israeli genocidal campaign against the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza. We had been witnessing one of the strongest armies in the world squashing women, elderly people and children. We saw blizzards of unconventional weapons bursting over schools, hospitals and refugee camps. We had seen and heard about war crimes committed before, but this time, the Israeli transgression was categorically different. It was supported by the total absolute majority of the Israeli Jewish population. The IDF military campaign in Gaza enjoyed the support of 94% of the Israeli population. 94% of the Israelis apparently approved of the air raids against civilians. The Israeli people saw the carnage on their TV screens, they heard the voices, they saw hospitals and refugee camps in flames and yet, they weren’t really moved by it all. They didn’t do much to stop their “democratically elected” ruthless leaders. Instead, some of them grabbed a seat and settled on the hills overlooking the Gaza Strip to watch their army turning Gaza into modern Hebraic coliseum of blood. Even now when the campaign seems to be over and the scale of the carnage in Gaza has been revealed, the Israelis fail to show any signs of remorse. As if this is not enough, all throughout the war, Jews around the world rallied in support of their “Jews-only state”. Such a popular support of outright war crimes is unheard of. Terrorist states do kill, yet they are slightly shy about it all. Stalin’s USSR did it in some remote Gulags, Nazi Germany executed its victims in deep forests and behind barbed wire. In the Jewish state, the Israelis slaughter defenceless women, children and the old in broad daylight, using unconventional weapons targeting schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

This level of group barbarism cries for an explanation. The task ahead can be easily defined as the quest for a realisation of Israeli collective brutality. How is it that a society has managed to lose its grip of any sense of compassion and mercy?

The Terror Within

More than anything else, the Israelis and their supportive Jewish communities are terrorised by the brutality they find in themselves. The more ruthless the Israelis are, the more frightened they become. The logic is simple. The more suffering one inflicts on the other, the more anxious one becomes of the possible potential deadly capacity around. In broad terms, the Israeli projects on the Palestinian, Arab, Muslim and Iranian the aggression which he finds in himself. Considering the fact that Israeli brutality is now proved to be with no limit and with no comparison, their anxiety is as at least as great.

Seemingly, the Israelis are fearful of themselves being the henchmen. They are engaged in a deadly battle with the terror within. But the Israeli is not alone. The Diaspora Jew who rallies in support of a state that pours white phosphorous on civilians is caught in the exact same devastating trap. Being an enthusiastic backer of an overwhelming crime, he is horrified by the thought that the cruelty he happens to find in himself may manifest itself in others. The Diaspora Jew who supports Israel is devastated by the imaginary possibility that a brutal intent, similar to his own, may one day turn against him. This very concern is what the fear of anti-Semitism is all about. It is basically the projection of the collective Zio-centric tribal ruthlessness onto others.

There is no Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

What we see here is a clear formation of a vicious cycle in which the Israeli and his supporters are becoming an insular fireball of vengeance that is fuelled by some explosive internal aggression. The meaning of it all is pretty revealing. Since Palestinians cannot militarily confront Israeli aggression and destructive capacity, we are entitled to argue that there is no Israeli-Palestinian conflict. All there is, is Israeli psychosis in which the Israeli is being shattered with anxiety by the reflection of his own ruthlessness. Being regarded as the Nazis of our time, the Israeli is thus doomed to seeing a Nazi in everyone. Similarly, there is no rise in anti-Semitism either. The Diaspora Zionist Jew is simply devastated by the possibility that someone out there is as ethically corrupted and merciless as he himself proved to be. In short, Israeli politics and Zionist lobbying should be seen as no less than a lethal Zio-centric collective paranoia on the verge of total psychosis.

Is there a way to redeem the Zionist of his bloody expedition? Is there a way to change the course of history, to save the Israelis and their supporters from total depravity? Probably the best way to pose this question is to ask whether there is a way to save the Israeli and the Zionist from themselves. As one may gather, I am not exactly interested in saving Israelis or Zionists, however, I do grasp that redeeming Zionists of their transgression may bring a prospect of peace to Palestine, Iraq and probably the rest of us. For those who fail to see it, Israel is just the tip of the iceberg. At the end of the day, America, Britain and the West are now subject to some similar forms of "politics of fear" that are the direct outcome of Neocon deadly interventionist ideology and practices.

The Shrink from Nazareth

Many years ago, so we are told, there was an Israelite who lived amongst his brethren in the land of Canaan. Like the contemporary Israelis, he was surrounded by hate, vengeance and fear. At a certain stage he had decided to intervene and to bring a change about, he realised that there was no other way to fight ruthlessness than to search for grace. “Turn your other cheek” was his simple suggestion. Identifying the Israelite’s psychosis as “a war against terror within”, Jesus grasped that the only way to counter violence is to look in the mirror while searching for Goodness within.

It is rather apparent that Jesus’ lesson paved the way to the formation of western universal ethics. Modern political ideologies drew their lesson from the Christian prospect. Marx’s normative search for equality can be seen as a secular rewriting of Jesus’ notion of brotherhood. And yet, not a single political ideology has managed to integrate the deepest notion of Jesus’ grace. To seek peace is primarily to search for one within. While Israelis and their Neocon twins would aim at achieving peace by means of deterrence, true peace is achieved by the search for harmony within. As a Lacanian scholar may suggest, to love your neighbour is actually to love yourself loving your neighbour. The case of the Israeli is the complete opposite. As they manage to prove time after time, they are really loving themselves hating their neighbours or in short, they simply love themselves hating in general. They hate almost everything: the neighbour, the Arab, Chavez, the German, Islam, the Goy, Pork, the Pope, the Palestinian, the Church, Jesus, Hamas, calamari and Iran. You name it, they hate it. One may have to admit that hating so much must be a very consuming project unless it gives pleasure. And indeed the Israeli “pleasure principle” could be articulated as follows: it continuously drives the Israeli to seek pleasure in hate while inflicting pain upon others.

It must be mentioned at this point that the ˜War Against Terror within” is not exactly a Jewish invention. Everyone, whether it is nations, peoples or individuals, are a potential subject to it. The consequences of American nuclear murderous slaughter in Hiroshima and Nagasaki made the American people into a terrorised collective. This collective anxiety is known as the “cold war”. America is yet to redeem itself of the fear that there maybe someone out there as merciless as America proved to be. To a certain extent, operation Shock and Awe had a very similar effect on Britain and America. It led to the creation of horrified masses easily manipulated by highly motivated elite. This exact type of politics is called “politics of fear”.

And yet, within the western discourse a correction mechanism is in place. Unlike the Jewish state that is getting radicalised by its own self feeding paranoia, in the West, evil is somehow confronted and contained eventually. The murderer is denounced and hope for peace is somehow reinstated till further notice. Not that I hold my breath for President Obama bringing any change, one thing is rather clear, Obama was voted in to bring a change. Obama is a symbol of our genuine attempt to curtail evil. In the Jewish state, not only it doesn’t happen, it can never happen. The difference between Israel and the West is rather obvious. In the West, Christian heritage is providing us with a possibility of a wish grounded on belief in universal goodness. Though, we are under the constant danger of exposure to evil, we tend to believe that goodness will eventually prevail. On the other hand, in Hebraic tribal discourse, Goodness is the property of the chosen. The Israelis do not see goodness or kindness in their neighbors, they see them as savage and as a life-threatening entity. For the Israelis, kindness is their very own property, accidentally they are also innocent and victims. Within the western universal discourse, goodness doesn’t belong to one people or a single nation, it belongs to all and to none at the same time. Within the western universal heritage, Goodness is found in each of us. It doesn’t belong to a political party or an ideology. The elevating notion of grace and a Good God is there in each of us, it is always very close to home.

What Kind Of Father Is That?

“Then when the Lord your God brings you to the land he promised your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to give you –“ a land with large, fine cities you did not build, houses filled with choice things you did not accumulate, hewn out cisterns you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant – and you eat your fill.” (Deuteronomy: 6: 10 -11).

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations…then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy.” (Deuteronomy 7:1-2)

At this point we may try to attempt and to grasp the root cause behind the severe lack of compassion within the Israeli discourse and its supportive lobbies. I believe that an elaboration on the troubled relationships between the Jews and their different Gods may throw some light on the topic. It is rather obvious that the ever growing list of Jewish “Gods”, “Idols” and “Father-figures” is slightly problematic at least as far as ethics and kindness are concerned. The very relationship between “the son” and the “non-ethical father” must be explored. The philosopher Ariella Atzmon (who happens to be my mother) defines the complexity of the false beginning as the “Fagin Syndrome”. Charles Dickens’ Fagin is a “kidsman”, an adult who recruits children and trains them as pickpockets and thieves, exchanging food and shelter for goods the children steal. Though the kids must be grateful towards their master, they must also despise him for turning them into thieves and pickpockets. The kids realise that Fagin’s goods are all stolen and his kindness is far from being genuinely honest or pure. Sooner or later the kids will turn against their master Fagin in an attempt to liberate themselves of the immoral catch.

From a father-son perspective, the Biblical Jewish God Jehovah is no different from what we might see in the Fagin syndrome. The father of Israel leads his chosen people through the desert to the promised land so they can rob and plunder its indigenous habitants. This is not exactly what one may expect of an ethical father or a “kind God”. Consequently, as much as the sons of Israel love Jehovah, they must also be slightly suspicious of him for turning them into robbers and murderers. They might even be apprehensive regarding his kindness. Thus, it shouldn’t take us by a surprise that throughout Jewish history more than just a few Jews had turned against their heavenly father.

However, bearing in mind the common secularist perception that Gods are actually invented by people, one may wonder, what leads to the invention of such an “unethical God”? What makes people follow the rules of such a God? It would be also interesting to find out what kind of alternative Gods Jews happened to pick or invent once Jehovah has been shunned.

Since emancipation, more than just a few Jews had been disassociating themselves from the traditional tribal setting and rabbinical Judaism. Many intermingled with their surrounding realities, dropped their chosen entitlement and turned into ordinary human beings. Many other Jews insisted upon dropping God yet maintaining their racially orientated tribal affiliation. They decided to base their tribal belonging on ethnic, racial, political, cultural and ideological grounds rather than the Judaic precept. Though they noticeably dropped Jehovah they insisted upon adopting a secularist view that was soon shaped into a monolithic religious-like precept. All throughout the 20th century, the two religious-like political ideologies that had been found to be most appealing by the Jewish masses were Marxism and Zionism.

Marxism can be easily portrayed as a secular universal ethical ideology. However, within the process of transformation into a Jewish tribal precept, Marxism has managed to lose any traces of humanism or universalism. As we know, early Zionist ideology and practice was largely dominated by Jewish leftists who regarded themselves as true followers of Marx. They genuinely believed that celebrating their Jewish national revival at the expense of Palestinians was a legitimate socialist endeavour.

Interestingly enough, their opponents, the anti-Zionist Bund of the East European Jewish Labour, didn’t really believe in the institutional robbery of the Palestinians, instead, they believed that taking from rich European is a great universal mitzvah on the path towards social justice.

The following are a few lines from The Bund’s anthem

We swear our stalwart hate persists,

Of those who rob and kill the poor:

The Tsar, the masters, capitalists.

Our vengeance will be swift and sure.

So swear together to live or die!

Without engaging in questions having to do with ethics or political affiliation, it is rather obvious that the Jewish Marxist anthem is overwhelmingly saturated with “hate” and “vengeance”. As much as Jews were enthusiastic about Marx, Marxism, Bolshevism and equality, the end of the story is known. Jews en masse dropped Marx a long time ago. They somehow left the revolution to some enlightened Goyim such as Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales. Leaders who truly internalised in the real meaning of universal equality and ethics.

Though in the late 19th century and the early 20th century, Marxism found many followers amongst European Jews, following the Holocaust, Zionism has gradually become the voice of world Jewry. Like Fagin, the Zionist Gods and Idols: Herzl, Ben Gurion, Nordau, Weizmann, promised their followers a new unethical beginning. Robbing the Palestinians was their path towards a long overdue historical justice. Zionism transformed the Old Testament from a spiritual text into a land registry. But again as in the case of Jehovah, the Zio God transformed the Jew into a thief, it promised him someone else’s property. This in itself may explain the Israeli resentment towards Zionism and Zionist ideology. Israelis prefer to see themselves as the natural dwellers of the land rather than pioneers in a non-ethical Jewish Diaspora colonial project. The Israeli Jew furnishes his political stand by means of severe ethical escapism. This may explain the fact that as much as the Israelis love their wars, they really hate to fight them. They are not willing to die for a big abstract remote ideology such as the “Jewish nation” or “Zionism”. They overwhelmingly prefer to drop white phosphorous and cluster bombs from afar.

However, along the relatively short history of modern Jewish nationalism the Zio God made friends with some other Gods and kosher idols. Back in 1917 Lord Balfour promised the Jews that they would erect their national home in Palestine. Needless to say, as in the case of Jehovah, Lord Balfour made the Jews into plunderers and robbers, he came up with an outright non-ethical promise. He promised the Jews someone else’s land. This was basically a false beginning. Evidently, it didn’t take long before the Jews turned against the British Empire. In 1947 the UN made exactly the same foolish mistake, it gave birth to the “Jews-only State” again at the expense of the Palestinians. It legitimised the robbery of Palestine in the name of the nations. Like in the case of shunned Jehovah, it didn’t take long before the Jews turned against the UN. “It doesn’t matter what the Goyim say, all that matters is what the Jews do”, said Israeli PM David Ben Gurion. Recently Israelis had managed to even shun their best subservient friends in the White House. On the eve of the last American presidential election Israeli Generals had been filmed denouncing President Bush for “damaging Israeli interests for being overwhelmingly supportive” (Ret. Brig General Shlomo Brom). The Israeli Generals basically blamed Bush for not stopping Israel from destroying its neighbours. The moral is rather clear, the Zionists and the Israelis will inevitably turn against their Gods, Idols, fathers and others who try to help them. This is the real meaning of the Fagin syndrome within the Israeli political context. They will always have to turn against their fathers.

I believe that the most interesting Jewish belief system of them all is the Holocaust Religion, which the Israeli Philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz rightly defined as the “new Jewish religion”. The most interesting aspect of the Holocaust religion is its God-figure, namely “the Jew”. The Jewish follower of that newly formed dogmatic precept believes in “the Jew”, the one who redeemed oneself. The one who “survived” the “ultimate genocidal” event. The followers believe in “the Jew”, the “innocent” victim sufferer who returned to his “promised land” and now celebrates his successful revival narrative. To a certain extent, within the Holocaust religious discourse, the Jew believes in “the Jew”, expressed as his/her powers and his/her eternal qualities. Within the newly formed religious framework, Mecca is Tel Aviv and the Holy Shrine is the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum. The newly formed religion has many shrines (Museums) scattered around the world and it has many priests who spread the message around and punish its opposing elements. From a Jewish perspective, the Holocaust religion is a fully transparent expression of self love. It is where past and future merge into a meaningful present, it is when history is translated into praxis. Whether consciously or unconsciously, every person who identifies politically and ideologically (rather than religiously) as a Jew is, practically speaking, succumbing to the Holocaust religion and a follower of its father-figure “the Jew”. And yet, one may wonder, what about Kindness, is there any goodness in this newly formed ‘father-figure’? Is there any grace in this narrative of innocent victimhood that is celebrated daily at the expense of the Palestinian people?

If there is an end to history, the Holocaust religion embodies the very end of Jewish history. In the light of the Holocaust religion the “Father” and the “Son” unite at last. At least in the case of Israel and Zionism they bond into an amalgam of genocidal ideology and reality. In the light of the Holocaust religion and its epic survival ethos the Jewish State considers itself legitimated in dropping white phosphorus on women and children who they have caged in an inescapable open-air prison. Sadly enough, the crimes committed by the Jewish State are done on behalf of the Jewish people and in the name of their troubled history of persecution. The Holocaust religion brings to life what seems to be the ultimate possible form of insular brutal incarnation.

Historically Jews have shunned many Gods, they dropped Jehovah, they dumped Marx, some have never followed Zionism. But in the light of the Holocaust religion, while bearing in mind the scenes from Gaza, Jenin and Lebanon, the Jew may have to continue in the tradition and drop “the Jew”. He will have to accept that his newly formed father-figure was formed in his own shape. More concerning is the devastating fact that the new father is proved to be a call to kill. Seemingly, the new father is the ultimate evil God of them all.

I wonder how many Jews will be courageous enough to shun their esoteric newly formed father-figure. Will they be courageous enough to join the rest of humanity adopting a universal ethical discourse? Whether the Jew drops “The Jew”, only time will tell. Just to remove any doubt, I did drop my “Jew” a long time ago and I am doing fine.

http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/18/gilad-atzmon-–-war-on-terror-within-the-end-of-jewish-history/

accuracy

22-03-2009, 10:20 AM

Yeah, like that happens in America (which is where John Dees is) and it's universally Zionists that back any prohibitions of denial.

~Such accuracy

And thriving on denial.

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January 24, 2008

Automotive engineer Fritz Berg presents his slide show
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misterethoughts

25-03-2009, 03:25 AM

This was an interesting read.