constantly taliking about illuminati empowers them

[king]

when we are constantly talking about certain problems, or certain people (illumnati, NWO etc) we are empowering them and weakening us in same time because we are giving them or their ideas our energy. And that is what they need, to advance their agenda.

when we are constantly talking about problems we are inadvertently creating new problems, or amplifying existing problems.

i think that major issue with 'conspiracy research' is that it addresses the problems, and very few, if any solutions.

so, if we constantly dwell on problems (say 99% of time) then how can we find the solutions? how can we break the vicious cycle?

it will be more realistic (and lot healthier) if we tried to keep those two opposites things in the ballance, by first stating the problem and then proposing the solution, even if we think that our solution will not work.
This should be able to prod many other people to a balanced and fruitful discussion that eventually would bear the fruits.

good example of constructive approach is the chemtrail thread, (Orgonite - energy transmutation - anti-chemtrails)
where counteraction to chemtrails is is discussed, from personal ideas, over William Reich's discoveries and experiments all the way to signing a petition and spreading the awareness of the issue.

another good one is
( Red Alert!! AnnaNicoleSmith, Iran, Nuclear Attack)
where posible P in PRS is exposed.
and in this case -- exposure of PTB's plans may be enough to put the brake on their plans, at least temporarily.

After all, the knowledge is the key, because the removal of the knowledge from humanity is how we are controlled.


what are your comments?

[filip]

I agree.

+, according to the Law of Attraction, if we focus on what is, we never get anywhere...

"The moment you permit your mind to dwell with dissatisfaction upon things as they are, you begin to lose ground. You fix attention upon the common, the ordinary, the poor, and the squalid and mean; and your mind takes the form of these things. Then you will transmit these forms or mental images to the Formless, and the common, the poor, the squalid, and mean will come to you.

To permit your mind to dwell upon the inferior is to become inferior and to surround yourself with inferior things."

-The Science of Getting Rich, Chapter 8, (http://www.psitek.net/pages/PsiTekSOGR8.html)

But on the other hand, in order to eliminate a problem, we must first define it...

[awakensong]

good example of constructive approach is the chemtrail thread, (Orgonite - energy transmutation - anti-chemtrails)where counteraction to chemtrails is is discussed, from personal ideas, over William Reich's discoveries and experiments all the way to signing a petition and spreading the awareness of the issue.
I have no problem whatsoever with your post, king; in fact this has been something alot like what I've said before.

But to counteract what they do to us to try and control us, is like saying: "I see your chemtrails and raise you an orgonite". It just goes on and on like a chess match.

Has anyone ever heard the saying "Living well is the best revenge"? maybe what we should also define is "living well".

[awakensong]

I'd be interested in other opinions and definitions of 'living well' from anyone else here also. I've been formulating my own for a long time, and it has never involved countermeasures to those who wish to control me.

[thirdwave]

when we are constantly talking about certain problems, or certain people (illumnati, NWO etc) we are empowering them and weakening us in same time because we are giving them or their ideas our energy. And that is what they need, to advance their agenda.

when we are constantly talking about problems we are inadvertently creating new problems, or amplifying existing problems.

i think that major issue with 'conspiracy research' is that it addresses the problems, and very few, if any solutions.

so, if we constantly dwell on problems (say 99% of time) then how can we find the solutions? how can we break the vicious cycle?

it will be more realistic (and lot healthier) if we tried to keep those two opposites things in the ballance, by first stating the problem and then proposing the solution, even if we think that our solution will not work.
This should be able to prod many other people to a balanced and fruitful discussion that eventually would bear the fruits.

good example of constructive approach is the chemtrail thread, (Orgonite - energy transmutation - anti-chemtrails)
where counteraction to chemtrails is is discussed, from personal ideas, over William Reich's discoveries and experiments all the way to signing a petition and spreading the awareness of the issue.

another good one is
( Red Alert!! AnnaNicoleSmith, Iran, Nuclear Attack)
where posible P in PRS is exposed.
and in this case -- exposure of PTB's plans may be enough to put the brake on their plans, at least temporarily.

After all, the knowledge is the key, because the removal of the knowledge from humanity is how we are controlled.


what are your comments?

I don't really agree ... ish

IMO

thinking about the illuminati does not empower it... thinking about how powerful and in control they are empowers it....

seeing their crimes and the way to stop their crimes will not help them at all... this will only manifest things they do not want...

its not what you think... its how your thoughts make you feel...vibrate...

ignoring something does not stop it from being, that just allows it do as it wishes with no perception coming from you... our perception is what makes effect....

So yes.. if you are always thinking about how screwed up things are and how much we are under the power of the illuminati... then yes you are only making it more .... but thinking about them and how many more people are waking up to them and how many mistakes they are making and how afraid they are of the massed wiseing up to their game... this will make their power less.

I think the mere fact that people have been ignorant for years and years about what these people are up to and thinking about them very little shows that not thinking about them has only got them the power they have today, Now, many people are aware of them and are thinking of them, lets see how easy the illuminati run the show from now, put it to the test.... they are certainly not walking as fast as they once where..

Bottom line, Stressing about them is feeding them, yes this is true... seeing them and their agenda and reacting to it with an understanding of what is going on, that is making life hard for them...

[thirdwave]

i think that major issue with 'conspiracy research' is that it addresses the problems, and very few, if any solutions.



Have you an example of this??

I do find many people sometimes choose to see a solution as unrealistic and are there for left with no solution.... hence going back to the "Dont think about the illuminati's power" thing again....

[midwich cuckoo]

I don't agree at all, talking about them can only be good!.

If it wasn't for people like David Icke etc. talking about them, I probably would never have heard about them.

The more we shout, the more people will listen and more people wake up!.

[thirdwave]

I don't agree at all, talking about them can only be good!.

If it wasn't for people like David Icke etc. talking about them, I probably would never have heard about them.

The more we shout, the more people will listen and more people wake up!.

here here...

its the same as anything... just dont let it get you down and let them fill you with fear.... WE WILL OVER COME THESE PEOPLE one way or another, some time!!

[thirdwave]

I agree, you are pretty much saying what i mean...

our perception effects reality.... if we do not perceive at all...we have no effect.... if we perceive negatively then we create more negative energy... if we perceive positively then we create more positivity.... ..the illuminati want as much as 1 and 2 as possible.

[thirdwave]

I agree with some of your points.... I disagreed with quite a few of "kings" points ....

my posts are for all to read no matter who i quote ;)

[i am all i am]

Thanks, giftfromgoduk,

I'd be interested in other opinions and definitions of 'living well' from anyone else here also. I've been formulating my own for a long time, and it has never involved countermeasures to those who wish to control me.

Countermeasures are unnecessary. All countermeasues do is give your energy to the 'problem' (that which you are attempting to counter).

Control of self, self-mastery, is all that is required for you to live well. Making your own decisions, based on your own thoughts (not someone elses or the systems ideas), and taking action upon your thoughts is self-mastery lived. Ultimately it is your choice and your choice creates your reality/experience.

FUNCTIONALITY / SUSTAINABILITY / ADAPTABILITY.

Adaptablilty within the 'way' that we 'live' will sustain our functionality. 'Living well' requires us to continue LIVING. Therefore, 'waking up' and being in control of ourselves, self-mastery, is the key to our infinite self and 'living well'.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

WHAT YOU BELIEVE, YOU CONCEIVE.

If you believe 'them' to be more enlightened/powerful than you, then that is the reality that you will create for yourself.


With LOVE.

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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

To understand everything, first understand yourself, for you are everything.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[midwich cuckoo]

In my experience, the universe dictates what is.

Our actions have very little to do with it.

Just go along with the flow. And don't worry, it will ALL work out in the end, no matter what we do. :)

Que serra serra.

[midwich cuckoo]

Yes. :D There's not long to go and it will all go along as planned. Nothing can stop us now, 'cause we are all made of stars. :)

[jimijams]

There is only the dream and we are the dreamers. :)

[jimijams]

there is no such thing as concrete reality, instead it is fluid and you create it as you go along like all dreams. This is of course is only my opinion and I'm happy for you to disagree.:)

[i am all i am]

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

You are neither right nor wrong. You are merely expressing your perspective.

True reality is not a duality. Duality is the 'prison/trap'.

Everything has three aspects. For example, Past/Present/Future, The Left/The Right/The Middle, Subconcious/Concious/Supraconcious.

Thinking alone does not create the monkey outside your door, I totally agree. What would create the monkey outside your door is a combination of thought, word, action coupled with belief. AS YOU BELIEVE, SO YOU CONCEIVE. Three aspects creating one reality, that is, your thoughts, words and actions being made manifest. I recommend 'The Forum Experiment' thread to help you with greater understanding of this. Reading the thread will give you others ideas and not merely mine.

Here is something that I posted on 'The Feathered Serpent' thread that may also help you.

As everything is one (love is all there is, everything else is illusion), then fear is merely the misrepresentation, or distortion, of what is true. Obviously the lie isn't true. The individual lying is attempting to control the thoughts, words and actions of others by misrepresenting the truth and 'blinding' them to 'what is'. This is why the lie is surrounded by truth, the lier is merely attempting to hide the truth from others by representing 'what is' as something else.

So, fear can only misrepresent or distort 'what is', the truth. Fear is not a creative process. Fear therefore has to copy from love and put a new 'spin' on the truth. Love is the 'originator' (the creative aspect) and fear is the 'imitator'. This is why the symbology of the snake can represent both aspects at the same time, that is, the distortion/misrepresentation and what is/the truth.

The more someone is trying to convince you of something, 'pushing' their agenda/ideas, then obviously they are attempting to misrepresent/distort 'what is'. The system attempts to keep us in control by controlling what we think of something. By seeing what the system is misrepresenting/distorting, you can 'see the pathway' to freedom and move beyond the duality trap (either/or) into truth. Therefore, that which is used to control you can also set you free.
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Knowing youself comes from within. Reality (the illusion) is a reference point for you to experience yourself and express yourself. You and the infinite are one, therefore you know everything. Your here to experience that which you already know, your true self, infinite love.

I hope this helps you understand my perspective and shows where I am coming from.


With LOVE.

[jimijams]

Interesting, did you see this thread..? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119

[jimijams]

Don't conquer it tame it, make it your friend and loyal servant. It is the ego that wants conquest not the self.

[i am all i am]

Don't conquer it tame it, make it your friend and loyal servant. It is the ego that wants conquest not the self.

Well said brother.

I think that was what led to Bruce Lee's death. He wrote about detroying the ego. Like yourself, I believe the ego is there for a purpose and that it should be worked with, not against. If you destroy the ego you will no longer be able to experience life, just like Bruce Lee.


With LOVE.

[ho1ogram]

In my experience, the universe dictates what is.

Our actions have very little to do with it.


Are you sure about this? It seems very simplistic. Changing my actions has changed my whole world. Or is that what you mean, that actions might change my world but not the universe as a whole? If so that is an interesting thought, for instance I think of all the wonderful people throughout time Like shamans, buddha, Jesus (if you believe they exist but you get the point) and still the world is a mess. But their world was not. They proclaimed peace and contentment and happiness, wonder and beautiful mystery.

Hmm.. you've got me thinking. Maybe the universe just is and it is only our personal worlds that we can change. Or somethin'...

Then that makes me think that the world is not out 'there' but really is in me or in my mind.

Hmmm... so to end the suffering of war I need to examine what it is in me that is projecting that reality. Or reflecting that reality.

?This is a tough one. Because I can't stop thinking of people who are living in 24/7 war zones, who don't have the comfort of discussing this stuff over the net. they are busy finding food and water and stopping their wounds from kiling them. What will end this? My physical actions or finding what it is in myself that has created it?

For instance I read just recently about a dude (a monk or something) who read the paper each morning to find out what he had done to the world and then tried to understand what part of himself it was that manifested that. So maybe the entire world is speaking to me, i just have to decipher the language it is using (the language maybe action and emotion). Farrk, I think this is resonating with me. It really is a reflection of myself. All actions around the world and the emotions they cause are my experience. I really am God experiencing my self. By feeling anger and sadness at kids blown apart it is an opportunity to experience those emotions and to realise that I can change them. Not by ignoring them because 'it's all in my head and I am God' but through self examination and seeing how my actions here affect those around me. If I show love to everyone who I inrteract with that will have a biggerr and more lasting affect than reminding them about all the suffering going on. But at the same tiem being aware of the suffering and not ignoring it.

That last paragraph was thinking out louod so if it doesn't make sense then, well, it doesn't make sense. It is hard to express these feelings and thoughts.
Great thread, thanks everyone. :)

[neondestiny]

I think it is great to be aware, but never live in fear if that makes sense ;)

[i am all i am]

G'day Ho1ogram,

You got 'IT'.

We are all creating together the experience of life. What we support with our thoughts, words and actions, thus focusing our energies, helps to co-create our experience. Therefore, changing our thoughts, words and actions, we focus our energy to create a different experience of life.

It is up to each individual to decide/choose who they are, through thoughts, words and actions, in relation to what their experience is showing/telling them.

I believe the body is, among other things, a bio-feedback system that can decode the message of life. The message is always there, it is up to each of us to acknowledge the message and determine what it means to us and who we choose to BE in relationship to the message.



With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i_am]

I read a beautiful book and afterwards felt compelled to write these thought down. I cannot remember what the book was and I have paraphrased and added bits to it. I wrote this down 5 years ago. I think it may be a good time to share. ;)

We all have our own path and that doesn't make it right or wrong, just different.

Hope you enjoy it


As we start to climb the mountain we assume that we are on the only path and that what we see is all there is.

But as we get nearer the top of the mountain we begin to become aware of others climbing the same mountain, on a different path. We can then see part of their view and they can see a part of ours. We are no longer only viewing from a limited perspective.

The closer we get to the top, the more of the view we can see and the more people we can see arriving there on their own chosen path.

Their path was not wrong just different and their views and experiences on the way up were just as relevant as ours.

And the beauty of it all is that once at or, at least, very close to the top our individual perspectives have merged and we can all see the same view.

I believe that the important thing is that we are not happy to sit at the bottom complaining about how difficult it all is but have got off our butts and started that climb.

We will all have our individual path. Some because that is the only one we are aware of. Others, aware of different paths, have made a choice. Either way the same thing applies to the perspective on the way.

Always help a fellow climber who is struggling. Hold out your hand to steady him.

And when you hit a slippery patch and slide back down, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, take a breather and start the climb again. Someone will be there to help and this time you will know the slippery bits and avoid them.

[i am all i am]

Thank you for sharing I am.

That was a true understanding you had and was well written. Once again thank you for sharing with all of us and being that climber that is helping others up the mountain.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[jimijams]

Quote:
Originally Posted by midwich cuckoo View Post
In my experience, the universe dictates what is.

Our actions have very little to do with it.
Are you sure about this? It seems very simplistic. Changing my actions has changed my whole world. Or is that what you mean, that actions might change my world but not the universe as a whole? If so that is an interesting thought, for instance I think of all the wonderful people throughout time Like shamans, buddha, Jesus (if you believe they exist but you get the point) and still the world is a mess. But their world was not. They proclaimed peace and contentment and happiness, wonder and beautiful mystery.

I think what midwich cuckoo was alluding to was that old chestnut 'free will'. does free will exist? Or are we just playing our part in a program believing we have free will when we are only doing, acting and creating as we were always meant to?

It's a a sticky question that I don't have an answer for.

Anybody?

[i_am]

Thank you for sharing I am.

That was a true understanding you had and was well written. Once again thank you for sharing with all of us and being that climber that is helping others up the mountain..

:D Helper or helpee, I am still clambering up there.

[lemonique]

That was an interesting take on 'the journey' I am..thanks. Some climb their individual mountains as well, ever aware of their fellow climbers on THEIR own mountains. At the end of the day I have only got me and you have only got you...and that goes for everyone I guess.
Have a great weekend.

[thirdwave]

yes, and this is my point..... thinking about them does not automatically give them power.... its how our thoughts perceive them that effect it..... so yes... perceive them as this power over you that cant be beat and enslaves you and this is what will manifest ..... think about how they are getting more and more exposed and finding it harder and harder to control us, see that they really are no more powerful than out selfs.. and this will manifest....

this is the point I am making, im not sure if you agree or disagree....

[thirdwave]

I believe at one stage humans could make a monkey disappear from outside your door.... because they were using the secret along with %100 of their DNA and brains....

but the way i see it... we are un able to control what goes on outside of our selfs.... the reason being because we always try to change the outside word in order to change us in the inside.... but it does not work like that.... we vibrate first.... then the outside vibrates.... not the other way around ..we juts think its the other way around because we are imprisoned by time...

time is not real...only consciousness.... if you were only conscious for 2 mins in one year then that year would have lasted "2 mins" whats outside our selfs in this reality you speak of is not reality it is a tiny part of reality that we seem to be trapped in..... it impossible to work out what reality is if you only work with in such a small part of it...

you say if there is monkey outside the door, its still there...so on.... but who manifested the position that you have a monkey outside your door..?? why did you experience it and not me?

[thirdwave]

I agree with you 100% thirdwave. We have to know what the buggers are up to so we can put energy into thwarting their plans.
Have you heard of Capt. Eric May http://www.geocities.com/onlythecaptain/
and his Ghost Troop? http://www.ghosttroop.net/

Its an interesting thing they're trying to do. Ghost Troop is a US patriotic group who work behind the scenes acting on intelligence gathered from insider sources, and this enables then to thwart the powers-that-be from going ahead with some off their NWO plans for the 'sheeple'. Not your usual sort of patriot group. It would appear they've had some measure of success also. There's no way burrowing one's head into the sand is going to stop these bastards, people need to empower themselves with the knowledge that everything they focus on 'for the better' can bring about the much needed change in this world. The change is already happening, and we are seeing the frantic illuminati death throws all around us. We just have to keep pushing them out with our own empowering knowledge that we can, and sooner or lalter we will be rid of them.

The key is to focus on 'seeing' the Illuminati/controllers already totally disenfranchised and without any power to control ANYTHING., as they will be in the very near future.
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Stay positive! Not long to go now folks!



Thanks for the links... i had not heard of them before...

I think sometimes you have to get angry with these people and focus anger at them.... a bit oif confrontation is not negative when you feel justice is not being served ...infact take that anger away and you are left being quite unhealthy.... if more people saw this stuff.... and then heard on the News ...."NEWS FLASH" a British solder has been killed in Iraq today" (not bringing up the fact that probably 40 died the week before along with 400 innocent) ...they would begin to view the news for what it really is.... and with the masses seeing the news as a pack of lies which more and more are seeing... i cant see that being too healthy for "Bush" and his gang....

this is not going to end with out everyone seeing the ugly ugly facts....

[harpalchemist]

Constantly thinking about something reveals the answer.Focusing or obsessing is negative,knowledge isnt.I have a book called "who's who of the elite" and every time some new post is given to someone in the power elite i look it up and see what else they have spoiled.Thats knowledge and with knowledge comes the power to make a decision on the outcome.Thats it.Thats logic,it'll help you.