my unfortunate meeting with someone in the ARMY.

[tracker]

A coward is not so much someone who is afraid but is someone who kills defensless people!
Are the military protecting us? If so, then from what?[/QUOTE]

to be nice about it , altough writing it makes it look harsh

lets face facts here .
the military used to protect civilians , that was sir winston churchils military .
but that was corrupted and infultrated by the nazis , who we have here today thus , the militarys job is no longer to protect and serve the civilian population , it is to serve their superiors , and protect government .


it doesnt get much more plainer than that .:cool:

[cruise4]

There's PLENTY to be found out about Winston Churchill and his so called military. More like sacrifice on behalf of the banker dolts. And now they are going to do it again and even the soldiers seem to be all for it. Funny old world.

[rydeon]

" Young men: The lowest aim in your life is to become a soldier. The good soldier never tries to distinguish right from wrong. He never thinks; never reasons; he only obeys. If he is ordered to fire on his fellow citizens, on his friends, on his neighbors, on his relatives, he obeys without hesitation. If he is ordered to fire down a crowded street when the poor are clamoring for bread, he obeys and sees the gray hairs of age stained with red and the life tide gushing from the breasts of women, feeling neither remorse nor sympathy. If he is ordered off as a firing squad to execute a hero or benefactor, he fires without hesitation, though he knows the bullet will pierce the noblest heart that ever beat in human breast.
A good soldier is a blind, heartless, soulless, murderous machine. He is not a man. He is not a brute, for brutes only kill in self defense. All that is human in him, all that is divine in him, all that constitutes the man has been sworn away when he took the enlistment roll. His mind, his conscience, aye, his very soul, are in the keeping of his officer.
No man can fall lower than the solder—it is a depth beneath which we cannot go. Keep the boys out of the army. It is hell.
Down with the army and the navy. We don't need killing institutions. We need life-giving institutions."

If you are even suggesting that connects with UK forces then that is absolute honk of the lowest order.
I think your getting on bleeding heart power trip my friend.
I think you're group of 'good' soldiers would in reality be a bunch of Blackwater mercenary renegades running amok.

Speaking from 6 1/2 years in the British Army, if orders like that were ever transmitted to me or those around me the order would be rejected as it would be classed as an 'illegal order' and the officer (s) would be relieved of his command and court martialed.
Not all soldiers are perfect but its made crystal clear during basic training that the Geneva Convention is mandatory and punishment meted out to all who break it.
Interesting though that the Geneva Convention doesn't cover mercenaries though, so they are, ironically, fair game :)
This is coming from someone who served in the Balkans war zone and not the armchair warriors who get on their high horse :)

No Army or Navy eh? Unless every country does this simultaneously it will never ever happen. Countries Governments get greedy and invade a smaller nation etc etc.

[cruise4]

Well I hope so rydeon, because I have a feeling we might be finding out soon. I fully expect hoardes of people ready to lynch the government marching on London and I bet you will be defending this scum, but I could be wrong. And then their's all this SAS/BIS false flag terrorism going on. And the Police as a force appear to be utter traitors. And I don't see the Army doing much about this totally fraudulent EU entry. That's enough to throw the lot in Jail on it's own IMO and plenty of others. So why haven't you?

And yes, Governments do invade other countries. But Direct Government by the people is a different kettle of Fish and this system ain't staying for much longer whatever any perceived cost. Government as an experiment has failed for the last time.

If the Government are hiding some unfathomable truth we, the people, need to hear it now. That doesn't get them off the hook as all their past decisions are obviously corruption running riot anyway. But it might avoid the showdown that WILL come. Protect the people or Gangsters, Mafia and Kiddy Fiddlers. Not a hard choice but then I'm not taking orders from this scum in the first place. Hence the massive and deserved mistrust. You see, the army has done the most piss poor job of defending this country and it's people. Otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess and about to lose our Sovreignty. You want to protect this country? Take out Rothschild, The Met, The bankers, The Media, The Royalty, MI6, MI5 and all members of Government. Then we'll clap you on the back... and not before. From my point of view at present you might as well not exist. We've been taken over covertly from the inside and what have you done? Starting taking orders from the criminals as if nothing has changed. I'm reserving judgement on all things you guys do. It's all highly suspect.

[anthony65]

I feel that generalizations of any kind are a lazy cop out. The majority of servicemen and women sign up as ignorant impressionable teenagers (and aren't most people/sheeple, regardless of their profession "ignorant and impressionable"?).

They sign up for different reasons, from "getting a job" to "serving one's country" to "seeking adventure" etc. They are individuals, good ones and bad ones. There are ex-military campaining vigorously against the war in Iraq.

How does it help if truthers jump up on their high horses and start pointing fingers at bodies of people, whether police, military, christians, muslims, whatever...

If you're still generalizing then you're still playing the game that the illuminati want you to: Divide and rule. Rise above it!

[cruise4]

"How does it help if truthers jump up on their high horses and start pointing fingers at bodies of people, whether police, military, christians, muslims, whatever..."

It helps to reverse the false claims of 'hero' and 'brave' and all the rest of the claptrap which has resulted in a completely false perception of the role of these people being perpetuated within the public conciousness. These things need to be said over and over until people come to their senses on this issue. It's like a literary 'Shock and Awe' tactic to crash through programming, because time is short. And I firmly believe fingers SHOULD be pointed at certain sections of society. Their participation and collusion is obvious.

Police and Army are first and foremost 'PEOPLE'. They need to remember that. We have kids poisoned HERE... TODAY. We have people losing their homes NOW. The economy is fraudulent NOW. The Government is Corrupt NOW. The army and police are being used like muppets NOW. People are dying NOW. The TIME is NOW... not in some far off fictitous future.

Remove the scum and the future is rosy. Keep them there and most die including most of the current soldiers. The only interests not served by uniting people, police and armed forces are the criminal murdering fraudsters. Let's not pretend there is an argument here, because there isn't.

[anthony65]

"How does it help if truthers jump up on their high horses and start pointing fingers at bodies of people, whether police, military, christians, muslims, whatever..."

It helps to reverse the false claims of 'hero' and 'brave' and all the rest of the claptrap which has resulted in a completely false perception of the role of these people being perpetuated within the public conciousness. These things need to be said over and over until people come to their senses on this issue. It's like a literary 'Shock and Awe' tactic to crash through programming, because time is short. And I firmly believe fingers SHOULD be pointed at certain sections of society. Their participation and collusion is obvious.

Police and Army are first and foremost 'PEOPLE'. They need to remember that. We have kids poisoned HERE... TODAY. We have people losing their homes NOW. The economy is fraudulent NOW. The Government is Corrupt NOW. The army and police are being used like muppets NOW. People are dying NOW. The TIME is NOW... not in some far off fictitous future.

Remove the scum and the future is rosy. Keep them there and most die including most of the current soldiers. The only interests not served by uniting people, police and armed forces are the criminal murdering fraudsters. Let's not pretend there is an argument here, because there isn't.

Hi Cruise4, By all means point fingers at the institutions. By all means question the roles of these insititutions, the reasons why they are used, whose interests they serve, etc. Question everything about them, but simply don't lump all the individuals into one basket. That's my point :)

And there are brainless, heartless, evil tossers amongst them, but you'll find the same kind of people in any office or working environment.

I just find that generalizations don't help.

[cruise4]

I agree normally that generalisations don't help. But there comes a time when you are facing the SS, not Fritz and Hanz.

What do you think about the false missions, the setup missions, the phony enemies, the phony terrorism, the dope guarding, the false coups.... what orders are currently being given that should be followed at all? Can you tell me?

I have no idea what soldiers think they are doing but the result will be extremely bad for humanity as far as I can tell. So why?

I can tell you how future conflicts will go...
Bush
"Be interesting to see how Delta Force fare against the SAS wouldn't it?"
Brown
"Yes, let's pit them against each other in Yemen"
Bush
"OK, what's your bet"
Brown
"Both sides devastated"
Bush
"Hmmm, you're right. Better start training Charlie Force for the next fracas"



Listen to this from Alex Jones:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-alex-jones-show-l-i-v-e-oct-7-with-mike-rivero.html

It goes into Delta Force and the hunt for Bin Laden farce. I'd just like to see a soldier who gets it, saying we are going to support the people at the apropriate time, for once.

[simplify]

well.. to cut a long story short, On Thursday night I had the misfortune of meeting one VERY VERY brainwashed individual. He was meeting my friend who I was out in manchester with and came back to my flat. I only really started talking to him when he was back at mine, and NOTHING could have prepared me for his warped views.

He is home from Iraq, and can not WAIT to get back.
I think the most shocking piece of unhumane garbage that came out of his mouth was that he sees woman and children die over there, and he loves it. he "hates" them.
This really sickened me. I feel I have some kind of duty to report this realistic picture of the type of people "fighting for us" to the general public. It certainly was not pretty. :(

There was no reasoning with this conditioned meat head, HE WAS RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IT.

He also had tattoos such as "pride of britain" on his arm... says it all really. Heavily brainwashed and very fucking dangerous because of his views and power trip seeking.

I 'm surprised I didn't chuck him out because he made me SO angry that he would not open his mind even slightly to possibilities that wern't his reality.
But strangely i felt really sorry for him too, and felt that there was something I could learn something from our random meeting..

An eye opening experience for sure, just to see and hear how people can be de-humanized. As always, there is a higher reason why you ran into this individual......please be careful, about whom you invite to your home. They can leave behind some nasty energy that will effect you. Use your new knowledge and intuition to screen out those that are not in alignment with you. Tin below said it very well.

[lost_in_translation]

Vast majority?
*cough*bullshit!*cough*
The vast majority of military personnel are submissive tyrants. These are the kind who enthusiastically agree that authority is a good thing, in hopes that they will get some one day. Which they can then use to control others.

Don't paint flowers on the military. It exists for one purpose: destruction.

-S
Let me guess in all of you years of..... surfing the web... you have come to this conclusion..that """"The vast majority of military personnel are submissive tyrants. These are the kind who enthusiastically agree that authority is a good thing, in hopes that they will get some one day. Which they can then use to control others"""".. get away from the computer and open you eyes.. military men.. women. have families.. loved ones... they are fathers. sisters. brothers. mothers..looks like someone in here has been brainwashed... there are sick and twisted people who murder and rape everyday.. i bet the last crime in your town was not commited by a soldier.. and who the hell are you to judge someone by the job they do.. most of the jobs in the military are support rolls.. stop judging a whole group of people by the actions of a few.. its like racisim .. ignorance is not a bliss... its simple minded people like you who burned witches and formed the KKK...

[marpat]

Mikey is right and so was multiversal



Of course mate, that's what it is. It couldn't possibly be that when a man joins the army he MUST BE 'BROKEN', His will must be blindly subordinate to the chain of command. In training soldiers are 'BROKEN' like horses are 'BROKEN', many are 'TURNED' to cater the desires of the aristocrat officers, such is the culture (cult).

If a man has been through army training , I know that he has been 'BROKEN' and dis-associated with his SELF. This is essential if you are to brainwash someone into becoming a ROBOTIC KILLING MACHINE

I can understand why normal, sane people get uncomfortable when large numbers of BRAINWASHED ROBOTIC KILLING MACHINES who only respect the ultimate authority of force and violence flood into their towns, provoking trouble as some kind of team sport. mind - controlled THUGS who live by the credo of "you dissent and i will silence or destroy you with threat and violence", full of alcohol and god knows what other 'party drugs'

I think people have a right to be concerned.

Sorry but you are talking shit here. It exposes more of what you are about than what the life of a military person is about. Do you have any experience of military life? your comments suggest complete ignorance.

You will generally find that the it is the local male civilians who tend to start fights with forces people for the reasons I have stated. If military people are proven to have started violent disputes they get into deep shit as it is considered as bringing disrepute to the services. Sorry it does not fit your stupid blinkered view.

In my last job there was a lad who had been to a pub and was set upon by a gang of civilian lads for no other reason that they did not like his job. He was beaten and left in a coma, his career destroyed. He never fully recovered his physical health fully. So who are the thugs now??????????????? does this mean that civilians are mindless thugs who set upon people when they outnumber them, beating them senseless, like a cowardly mob of animals, brainwashed by their hatred? you probably think that it is a good thing.


Also, you comments about aristocrat officers is total shite. Many officers actually come up through the ranks, from working class families. I know such people, do you?

What can I say, you are blinded by your own bias and sense of self righteousness.

[lightworks]

well.. to cut a long story short, On Thursday night I had the misfortune of meeting one VERY VERY brainwashed individual. He was meeting my friend who I was out in manchester with and came back to my flat. I only really started talking to him when he was back at mine, and NOTHING could have prepared me for his warped views.

He is home from Iraq, and can not WAIT to get back.
I think the most shocking piece of unhumane garbage that came out of his mouth was that he sees woman and children die over there, and he loves it. he "hates" them.
This really sickened me. I feel I have some kind of duty to report this realistic picture of the type of people "fighting for us" to the general public. It certainly was not pretty. :(

There was no reasoning with this conditioned meat head, HE WAS RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IT.

He also had tattoos such as "pride of britain" on his arm... says it all really. Heavily brainwashed and very fucking dangerous because of his views and power trip seeking.

I 'm surprised I didn't chuck him out because he made me SO angry that he would not open his mind even slightly to possibilities that wern't his reality.
But strangely i felt really sorry for him too, and felt that there was something I could learn something from our random meeting.. interesting

[wildheartx]

well.. to cut a long story short, On Thursday night I had the misfortune of meeting one VERY VERY brainwashed individual. He was meeting my friend who I was out in manchester with and came back to my flat. I only really started talking to him when he was back at mine, and NOTHING could have prepared me for his warped views.

He is home from Iraq, and can not WAIT to get back.
I think the most shocking piece of unhumane garbage that came out of his mouth was that he sees woman and children die over there, and he loves it. he "hates" them.
This really sickened me. I feel I have some kind of duty to report this realistic picture of the type of people "fighting for us" to the general public. It certainly was not pretty. :(

There was no reasoning with this conditioned meat head, HE WAS RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IT.

He also had tattoos such as "pride of britain" on his arm... says it all really. Heavily brainwashed and very fucking dangerous because of his views and power trip seeking.

I 'm surprised I didn't chuck him out because he made me SO angry that he would not open his mind even slightly to possibilities that wern't his reality.
But strangely i felt really sorry for him too, and felt that there was something I could learn something from our random meeting..

I bet you just sank inside when you heard it. Seems the army did its job perfectly. Unfortunately you can't control what this guy said, dont hate him for it. Feel sorry for him indeed. What you can learn from it is knowing what your heart told you was right. Maybe there was a time when something like this might not have illicited such a strong response from you. Be thankful:) Perhaps you can try and not let words like that bother you so much somehow. It sounds like youre very sensitive to negative energy and perhaps need to build your own up and learn to deflect stuff like this. It can drain you if you let it.

[dizzylizard]

Its a good sign that you felt pity for the lad. He is programmed in a not-so-different way to the rest of us. He feels what he is doing is for his country, and his country to him represents "freedom" because that is what he's known.

It's a hard one really; I randomly met a guy in a bar recently who was telling me about getting kidnapped in Iraq and getting his eyebrows and hair shaved off - but he laughed telling me that at least he got to 'shoot the cunt' in the end. To be fair that guy seemed a little, eh, tapped, but equally I've got a good mate that serves with the parachute regiment. He just got back from a tour of Afghanistan in which he did some dirty things, but he clearly feels no remorse for his actions since he doesn't jump everytime you slam a door or start twitching randomly.. (that may seem like a generalisation but I've seen enough people come back from tours..) If you get down to talking about the politics behind the action he will say 'the afghani people invited us here' to the point where although I consider myself politically and historically informed I simply cannot argue with him. (and since everyone is so fixed up over the SELF/I what makes person no 1 so wrong after he had been kidnapped?!)

My para mate is, honestly, as far removed from being a nasty person as you get, its just that his brainwashing has led him to the point of no reason. Last time I saw him, I just said (in essence) 'because I care, when Isreal/Iran is the war, PLEASE defect' - what else can I do?

Brainwashed is one thing, most people on the high street are infact, but most of them wouldn't be willing to lay down their lives so others can do the same.. I know soldiers are more brainwashed but that doesn't mean they are any less empathetic or human.

[number_6]

Forgive me if this sounds judgemental, but when I was in my last year of school many years ago and we had to visit the "careers officer" it did come to my attention that many of the boys that were considered to be of lower intelligence were themselves very keen to join the army. Those of more intelligence that had more ability to think for themselves would not consider the forces.

[hank_scorpio]

It's peoples patriotic duty to want to join the army. As long as they keep manipulating how they view reality things will not change. Anybody who opposes the military are terrorists by definition. Were all terrorists in a completely backwards society.

www.thevenusproject.com/

[hagbard_celine]

since he doesn't jump everytime you slam a door or start twitching randomly..

Some people who do that are just play-acting. I recently served with an agency porter who had just come back from "Aff-gann". He was startled when someone in a pub popped a ballon. He jumped out of his seat and ran outside. Later he told me "It gave me a flashback, man". What he didn't realize is that I deal with genuinely traumatized people every day and I know a blagger when I see one. This guy faked shellshock because it was part of his "I've been in the army, man" mystique.:rolleyes:

I know what real trauma looks like. What's more it's not just soliders who get it... contrary to popular belief:rolleyes::(:p. In fact in my experience victims of crime. domestic violence and accidents are hit worse than most people on the battlefield. What's more they have to recover without the compensation of social glorification the military enjoy.

[adbasque]

well.. to cut a long story short, On Thursday night I had the misfortune of meeting one VERY VERY brainwashed individual. He was meeting my friend who I was out in manchester with and came back to my flat. I only really started talking to him when he was back at mine, and NOTHING could have prepared me for his warped views.

He is home from Iraq, and can not WAIT to get back.
I think the most shocking piece of unhumane garbage that came out of his mouth was that he sees woman and children die over there, and he loves it. he "hates" them.
This really sickened me. I feel I have some kind of duty to report this realistic picture of the type of people "fighting for us" to the general public. It certainly was not pretty. :(

There was no reasoning with this conditioned meat head, HE WAS RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IT.

He also had tattoos such as "pride of britain" on his arm... says it all really. Heavily brainwashed and very fucking dangerous because of his views and power trip seeking.

I 'm surprised I didn't chuck him out because he made me SO angry that he would not open his mind even slightly to possibilities that wern't his reality.
But strangely i felt really sorry for him too, and felt that there was something I could learn something from our random meeting..

Hi I have lived amongst arabs and muslims for many years, from the middle east to north africa.
The reason he is like this, is because he blames every iraqi for what's happening, almost embarassed to see his own people humiliated, and he is angry at them, deep inside of him he doesn't mean it.

Remember Iraqis are very proud people, and for him to see his people scattered and divided by a foreign force and they went along with it, angers him, I know most people in Iraq felt that way, and let me tell you this.

Regardless of what Saddam did to them, they still prefer him to Bush or Blair, because they see them as foreign invaders working for Israel their worst enemy.

There's a whole psychological issue here.

If I can tell you a little story, well a long story but I'll try and cut it short in north Africa Algeria in particular.

during the rise of the people back in the late 80s early 90s, thousands of people died, it was literally people rising up against the corrupt government, it started in Universities.

So the crooked government decided to strike back with the help of course of the french, the british secret services and the mossad operating secretly in the country, very few people knew of their existence and tried very hard to warn the general public.


What they did basically was to undermine Islam and Muslims mainly, they go at night lead by the "Gendarmerie Nationale" National Gendarmes, to a remote village, or an isolated village, they block all the exits in or out of the village, the gendarmes won't enter the village, they send in the killing squad dressed as most people know as the evil islamist. they also call them the Ninja squad,

Few weeks later many of the Gendarmes came forward to denounce those atrocities, but they too had no choice but to join the fighters in the mountains, after they denounciation, because their lives were threatened after that.

They rape and kill women, cut children's & babies throats kill men, but they always always leave one or two behind to tell the story, and after few times in using the same evil tactic, people's opinion started to change towards anyone who has a beard and goes to the mosque.

There are few freedom fighters who happen to be muslims who are actually in the mountains fighting the corrupt government, but the government's propaganda was so powerful, even now there are people who still hate the bearded men, but the majority of people did eventually wake up.

Most of these freedom fighters that they call terrorists, had nothing to do with terrorism, they were pushed to join the maquis, their sisters, mothers were raped in front of them during the raids by the masked Ninjas.

They blow up buses and blame it on the so called Islamists, remember that one?

Most of these men were students, hard working people, all they wanted is to live in peace, but they had no choice.

So don't be harsh on this guy sooner or later he will come into his senses, I can certainly understand his frustration.

[marpat]

Some people who do that are just play-acting. I recently served with an agency porter who had just come back from "Aff-gann". He was startled when someone in a pub popped a ballon. He jumped out of his seat and ran outside. Later he told me "It gave me a flashback, man". What he didn't realize is that I deal with genuinely traumatized people every day and I know a blagger when I see one. This guy faked shellshock because it was part of his "I've been in the army, man" mystique.:rolleyes:

I know what real trauma looks like. What's more it's not just soliders who get it... contrary to popular belief:rolleyes::(:p. In fact in my experience victims of crime. domestic violence and accidents are hit worse than most people on the battlefield. What's more they have to recover without the compensation of social glorification the military enjoy.

Well that part is not a fact. There is no glory for ex-service personnel. Some people may show then respect but the fact is that once they are out they are treated just like anybody else.

I am serving but I have no social glorification and I dont know anybody who does. More often than not service people are resented purely because they wear a uniform.

I think you are making over generalised statements about shock. True such things can occur in any walk of life but lets not try and downplay some of the ugly scenes that people witness out there.

Any walk of life has its blaggers and the military is no different. They are just people and some people try and make their lives out to be more than they are.

[hagbard_celine]

Well that part is not a fact. There is no glory for ex-service personnel. Some people may show then respect but the fact is that once they are out they are treated just like anybody else.

I am serving but I have no social glorification and I dont know anybody who does. More often than not service people are resented purely because they wear a uniform.


People who wear my uniform certainly are!;)

If you feel you have no social glorification then in a way that's a good sign: You don't read The Sun!:D Very sensible of you! The trouble is, over 3 million other people do.

I think you are making over generalised statements about shock. True such things can occur in any walk of life but lets not try and downplay some of the ugly scenes that people witness out there.

Any walk of life has its blaggers and the military is no different. They are just people and some people try and make their lives out to be more than they are.

My statements about shock are not generalized; they are based on years of observations in my job (and also my personal life, but I don't want to go there.) As it happens I have no medical qualifications, but then neither do those who say "You might have been beaten up and raped by your husband for 13 years, but you ain't been there like I have, man! You ain't been to 'Aff-gann'":rolleyes:

I certainly don't downplay the ugly scenes of the battlefield. I've seen the people who come off it, both the injured and deceased; (The Sun reporters and photographers are strangly absent in those situations;)) I'm also not judgemental about the forces like some members are. Remember this thread? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26466 I also claim no moral high ground because I'm not a soldier. I work for Big Pharma, an organization that causes more death and suffering than any army. What concerns me is that respect for the military has reached an almost religious fervour in the mainstream media:eek:. This threatens public objectivity when governments make decisions that involve the use of military force.

[marpat]

People who wear my uniform certainly are!;)

If you feel you have no social glorification then in a way that's a good sign: You don't read The Sun!:D Very sensible of you! The trouble is, over 3 million other people do.



My statements about shock are not generalized; they are based on years of observations in my job (and also my personal life, but I don't want to go there.) As it happens I have no medical qualifications, but then neither do those who say "You might have been beaten up and raped by your husband for 13 years, but you ain't been there like I have, man! You ain't been to 'Aff-gann'":rolleyes:

I certainly don't downplay the ugly scenes of the battlefield. I've seen the people who come off it, both the injured and deceased; (The Sun reporters and photographers are strangly absent in those situations;)) I'm also not judgemental about the forces like some members are. Remember this thread? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26466 I also claim no moral high ground because I'm not a soldier. I work for Big Pharma, an organization that causes more death and suffering than any army. What concerns me is that respect for the military has reached an almost religious fervour in the mainstream media:eek:. This threatens public objectivity when governments make decisions that involve the use of military force.


I have the benefit of a wife who is a nurse though and who has a degree in the profession. What exactly is your role if you dont mind me asking?

Yes there are blaggers. Maybe it was a cry for help or something or maybe he just felt like nobody acknowledged what he had been through. If people feel ignored they will try and get attention and most service people do feel ignored. I have been out with people who have been there and they never exhibit such blatant attention seeking neither do they expect people to automatically respect them, knowing too well that most people just aren't interested.

Although the media may be trying to promote respect for service personnel it does not mean that readers automatically do that. Personally I do not see such things in the papers although there are often mentions of deaths. Some military stories in the media are very courageous though. For example, when a marine was killed near a taliban fort and his mates strapped themselves to the outside of an apache to recover his body. Are these the blind robots that people say they are, who will go to such a huge risk to their own lives to recover the body of a dead friend? if they were so heartless they would have just left his corpse there.

[hagbard_celine]

I have the benefit of a wife who is a nurse though and who has a degree in the profession. What exactly is your role if you dont mind me asking?

Yes there are blaggers. Maybe it was a cry for help or something or maybe he just felt like nobody acknowledged what he had been through. If people feel ignored they will try and get attention and most service people do feel ignored. I have been out with people who have been there and they never exhibit such blatant attention seeking neither do they expect people to automatically respect them, knowing too well that most people just aren't interested.

Although the media may be trying to promote respect for service personnel it does not mean that readers automatically do that. Personally I do not see such things in the papers although there are often mentions of deaths. Some military stories in the media are very courageous though. For example, when a marine was killed near a taliban fort and his mates strapped themselves to the outside of an apache to recover his body. Are these the blind robots that people say they are, who will go to such a huge risk to their own lives to recover the body of a dead friend? if they were so heartless they would have just left his corpse there.

I'm a serving Hospital Porter, currently based in an A&E department, although I've got experience in Theatres, Maternity, refuse processing and other disciplines.

I certainly agree that there is true heroism in the military. Acts of great love and comradeship. It shows that there is no such thing as an "ordinary person" and that human beings, whether they're in the forces or not, have the potential to do extraordinary acts of good.

I've also proposed an arguement, in the link thread in my above post, that there is a legitamate role for the armed forces in the post-Illuminati world. The transitional period may well be one of chaos and insecurity and we may well need to defend our commuities with armed organizations until things have settled down.

[marpat]

I'm a serving Hospital Porter, currently based in an A&E department, although I've got experience in Theatres, Maternity, refuse processing and other disciplines.

I certainly agree that there is true heroism in the military. Acts of great love and comradeship. It shows that there is no such thing as an "ordinary person" and that human beings, whether they're in the forces or not, have the potential to do extraordinary acts of good.

I've also proposed an arguement, in the link thread in my above post, that there is a legitamate role for the armed forces in the post-Illuminati world. The transitional period may well be one of chaos and insecurity and we may well need to defend our commuities with armed organizations until things have settled down.

Totally agree with that. I doubt there could be a flawless change from the current world to one of individual trust and freedom. There are so many people who would abuse the situation that some form of defence would be needed. Would be nice to think we could but so many people are living in darkness that to remove control from them would be hazardous. Many people would need to be educated into such a lifestyle as it would be so different from what they have learned.

Having seen the military from the inside I would say it is very different from what a lot of people claim it to be but having said that you do get obnoxious bastards who just piss people off. I have met a few. I think it is more to do with the persons character rather than any form of training.

[januspolanski]

there was a soldier in Vietnam,his name escapes me,he witnessed the aftermath of the Mai Lai massacre and he and the crew of his helicopter gunship headed off the unit responsible at the entrance to another village.they trained their guns on the approaching u.s soldiers and ordered them to leave the villagers alone.in court he said it was his understanding that a soldiers job was to protect the innocent,and so he did just that.after a public outcry they were unable to prosecute him or his crew.to this day,he's treated like a hero(which he is) in Vietnam.now THATS a soldier!

Legend.

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, that's what I call a REAL hero!:cool::)

[typenicknamehere]

I recommend telling as many people as you can of such injustice

It dosnt matter who you are a slave to, the millitary ,police force, if you are to enforce the governements rules and agenda you will ultimatly become a guiltless, emotionless machine ,below is a letter I sent to the NSW police commissioner,



I would like to inform you (although I dont expect much more than a generic response) of an incident to which I was a witness to, involving a member of the NSW police force, who blatantly punched an individual in the face who was seemingly drifting in and out of consciousness or who may have been intoxicated although however from his position and state posed no physical threat to any of the four or more officers surrounding him, as additional to being in that helpless emotional and mental state he was also laying on his back.
he exhibited little to no Resistance since his arms were near limp while covering his face. My question to you sir is, why do so many of our enforcement officers see fit to dish out such obviously unnecessary force while other "sideline" officers make no attempt to inform these overly aggressive men of their actions?,
May I suggest to you the reasons for this unwanted behaviour, there may actually be an over emphasising on how the handling of a citizen is to be conducted while in the makings of the police man or women, it is through this conditioning either consciously or unrealised that a man or women is slowly stripped of any human moral feelings they may have had for another human being, essentially they are to become robot like and may carry out any physical abuse they deem justified without guilt or remorse, this justification is also uncontested might I add.
Im afraid that the attitude of a relative who is also involved in government law enforcement is more universal then some would like to admit ,his words when discussing this incident with him were something to the tune of.... "they are scum of the earth" when referring to the individual who was struck in the face ,I have to wonder also that had this relative not been conditioned to behave this way ,would he have otherwise made such a disgusting comment? he also has no reservations in parading the weapons he uses and actually demonstrates scenarios with such pride, I have no doubts that this juvenile mentality is shared by more than a few in the NSW and interstate police force.

[mcaj]

Not all people in the army are brain washed morons, some think, have compassion, kindness and are very decent people, you are allowing yourself to be a sheeple by thinking that there all some kind of clone thinking moron.

please dont jump on the bandwagon , take people for who they are by how you meet them and treat you, if the person is an asshat fair enough.

i used to be a soldier and would consider my self a decent person

[rydeon]

Not all people in the army are brain washed morons, some think, have compassion, kindness and are very decent people, you are allowing yourself to be a sheeple by thinking that there all some kind of clone thinking moron.

please dont jump on the bandwagon , take people for who they are by how you meet them and treat you, if the person is an asshat fair enough.

i used to be a soldier and would consider my self a decent person

Me too, but the real question is why is this thread still raging on and on.

The posters pissed off (rightly so) the meeting of minds has occured, we've discussed it.
Now hopefully not everyone thinks soldiers and former soldiers are Michael Ryans in-waiting and we can all get on to another part of the forum. :)

[marpat]

I recommend telling as many people as you can of such injustice

It dosnt matter who you are a slave to, the millitary ,police force, if you are to enforce the governements rules and agenda you will ultimatly become a guiltless, emotionless machine ,below is a letter I sent to the NSW police commissioner,



I would like to inform you (although I dont expect much more than a generic response) of an incident to which I was a witness to, involving a member of the NSW police force, who blatantly punched an individual in the face who was seemingly drifting in and out of consciousness or who may have been intoxicated although however from his position and state posed no physical threat to any of the four or more officers surrounding him, as additional to being in that helpless emotional and mental state he was also laying on his back.
he exhibited little to no Resistance since his arms were near limp while covering his face. My question to you sir is, why do so many of our enforcement officers see fit to dish out such obviously unnecessary force while other "sideline" officers make no attempt to inform these overly aggressive men of their actions?,
May I suggest to you the reasons for this unwanted behaviour, there may actually be an over emphasising on how the handling of a citizen is to be conducted while in the makings of the police man or women, it is through this conditioning either consciously or unrealised that a man or women is slowly stripped of any human moral feelings they may have had for another human being, essentially they are to become robot like and may carry out any physical abuse they deem justified without guilt or remorse, this justification is also uncontested might I add.
Im afraid that the attitude of a relative who is also involved in government law enforcement is more universal then some would like to admit ,his words when discussing this incident with him were something to the tune of.... "they are scum of the earth" when referring to the individual who was struck in the face ,I have to wonder also that had this relative not been conditioned to behave this way ,would he have otherwise made such a disgusting comment? he also has no reservations in parading the weapons he uses and actually demonstrates scenarios with such pride, I have no doubts that this juvenile mentality is shared by more than a few in the NSW and interstate police force.


Typical programmed response.

Why not just tar everybody with the same brush? I have been accuse of being a trained murdere by people in here yet I have never had to fire a shot in anger. Lucky me!! what does that tell you about the accusers?

[lightgiver]

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[marpat]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1285/abughraib2la7.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abughraib2la7.jpg)

Says you who served in Gulf War 1.

Maybe you should have included a picture of Ken Bigley getting his head sawn off..

[lightgiver]

Says you who served in Gulf War 1.

Maybe you should have included a picture of Ken Bigley getting his head sawn off..

well he should not have gone there,its not my fault.

and when i joined i was unaware of the corrupt system, and i could show a lot worse pics but i feel peeps get the message.

[gtycoon]

well.. to cut a long story short, On Thursday night I had the misfortune of meeting one VERY VERY brainwashed individual. He was meeting my friend who I was out in manchester with and came back to my flat. I only really started talking to him when he was back at mine, and NOTHING could have prepared me for his warped views.

He is home from Iraq, and can not WAIT to get back.
I think the most shocking piece of unhumane garbage that came out of his mouth was that he sees woman and children die over there, and he loves it. he "hates" them.
This really sickened me. I feel I have some kind of duty to report this realistic picture of the type of people "fighting for us" to the general public. It certainly was not pretty. :(

There was no reasoning with this conditioned meat head, HE WAS RIGHT. AND THAT WAS IT.

He also had tattoos such as "pride of britain" on his arm... says it all really. Heavily brainwashed and very fucking dangerous because of his views and power trip seeking.

I 'm surprised I didn't chuck him out because he made me SO angry that he would not open his mind even slightly to possibilities that wern't his reality.
But strangely i felt really sorry for him too, and felt that there was something I could learn something from our random meeting..

The US soldiers I met are less gung ho about the situation. They don't like to talk about their experience and the one is suicidal.

The only thing I can say is that America is asleep and totally brainwashed.

I'd really like to know what is going on in the Uk...

[marpat]

well he should not have gone there,its not my fault.

and when i joined i was unaware of the corrupt system, and i could show a lot worse pics but i feel peeps get the message.

So did you abuse anybody out there?

I see, poor old Ken gets murdered in an ugly way and its his fault for being there. I bet if it was a Palestinian getting his head sawn off for being in the wrong place your sense of cold indifference would disappear. Your boddhisattva compassion is really shining through.

[marpat]

The US soldiers I met are less gung ho about the situation. They don't like to talk about their experience and the one is suicidal.

The only thing I can say is that America is asleep and totally brainwashed.

I'd really like to know what is going on in the Uk...


Most UK personnel dont believe politicians and are not motivated by the same sense of blind patriotism that a lot of Americans seem to exhibit.

[lightgiver]

So did you abuse anybody out there?

I see, poor old Ken gets murdered in an ugly way and its his fault for being there. I bet if it was a Palestinian getting his head sawn off for being in the wrong place your sense of cold indifference would disappear. Your boddhisattva compassion is really shining through.

No i bloody well did not abuse any one,actually we picked up POWs gave them food and drink and dropped them off at a suitable location,under FIRE from our own lot.BLUE ON BLUE.

and ken b knew it was dodgy, you would not get me out there for all the tea in china,he knew the risks.

stop bringing the bodhisattva bit in,because you know nothing about it,but i would advise you to read the bodhisattva vow,but it may be to blinding for you.

http://www.amazon.com/Bodhisattva-Vow-Practical-Helping-Others/dp/0948006501

[marpat]

No i bloody well did not abuse any one,actually we picked up POWs gave them food and drink and dropped them off at a suitable location,under FIRE from our own lot.BLUE ON BLUE.

and ken b knew it was dodgy, you would not get me out there for all the tea in china,he knew the risks.

stop bringing the bodhisattva bit in,becauseyou know nothing about it,but i would advise you to read the bodhisattva vow,but it may be to blinding for you.


So by your own admission then soldier are not all violent animals. As you have just stated there you fed some prisoners and dropped them off at a location while offering them protection. A noble act. Its a pity you dont tend to quote this sort of thing when people are being abusive about soldiers, do you think they may turn against you. You might get knocked out of the 'in' crowd.

I am familiar with Buddhism and have a number of works on the subject.

I dont think Ken was expecting an abduction. He was not even in a position to defend himself. No weapon yet those animals cut his head off while his hands were tied, and you blame him!!!!!!!!!!

[lightgiver]

So by your own admission then soldier are not all violent animals. As you have just stated there you fed some prisoners and dropped them off at a location while offering them protection. A noble act. Its a pity you dont tend to quote this sort of thing when people are being abusive about soldiers, do you think they may turn against you. You might get knocked out of the 'in' crowd.

I am familiar with Buddhism and have a number of works on the subject.

I dont think Ken was expecting an abduction. He was not even in a position to defend himself. No weapon yet those animals cut his head off while his hands were tied, and you blame him!!!!!!!!!!


i have met a lot of violent deranged animal soldiers.

well if you know so much about dharma maybe you should practise it,because you obviously no nowt of the bodhisattva vows.

and mr bigley should not have gone out there he knew the risks,when you go to the most dangerous place on earth,expect SHIT.

[marpat]

i have met a lot of violent deranged animal soldiers.

.

But not ALL of them. You get such people in all walks of life. Look at the catholic church :D

[lightgiver]

But not ALL of them. You get such people in all walks of life. Look at the catholic church :D

No not all of them,and yes the catholic church is rife,tis a pity,do not let GS hear you say that.

[marpat]

No not all of them,and yes the catholic church is rife,tis a pity,do not let GS hear you say that.

Well I am glad you have agreed that not all soldiers are bad. You are living proof are you not. Maybe you should not be so quick to condemn the ones who are still there though, use your own experience as a guide. I am sure there are many out there who would do as you have done, lets not make them suffer for something they have not done.

[lightgiver]

Well I am glad you have agreed that not all soldiers are bad. You are living proof are you not. Maybe you should not be so quick to condemn the ones who are still there though, use your own experience as a guide. I am sure there are many out there who would do as you have done, lets not make them suffer for something they have not done.

I have not made them suffer ,you are placing suggestions again.

I was a good soldier and i knew many good ones to,and bad ones.

when have i ever put them down? you get ass holes in all walks of life but it does not mean that i do not have compassion for them,we have all been ass holes at one time or another,or we would not be here now:)

[typenicknamehere]

Typical programmed response.

Why not just tar everybody with the same brush? I have been accuse of being a trained murdere by people in here yet I have never had to fire a shot in anger. Lucky me!! what does that tell you about the accusers?

No, what would have been typical is if I did not report what I saw,

and by the way, you need not feel threatend by this letter I wrote, it was an attack on the training programs that turn good men into anything but, Im sorry if you have been accused of being a murderer thats terrible ,those accusers should not be attacking the result of a bad conditioning system, they should be attacking the system itself, not that you have been
"brainwashed", I dont even know you,

Of course its not every police officer and every soldier ,but for the ones who have more brute than brain,, its unfortunate that the prerequisite for becoming a soldier or police officer was not more strict at least in Australia, but I would imagine the requirements are very similar ,we can do without just any tom dick and harry holding guns...

[rydeon]

i have met a lot of violent deranged animal soldiers.

well if you know so much about dharma maybe you should practise it,because you obviously no nowt of the bodhisattva vows.

and mr bigley should not have gone out there he knew the risks,when you go to the most dangerous place on earth,expect SHIT.

Yeah you expect the shit, but abduction is a whole different ballgame.

HE was OUTSIDE the GREENZONE, unlike the Blackwater guys and co. he was unarmed and literally left to the wolves.
But that's ok as its a caucasion getting killed and not a local!?
Jeez man can't you even see it from the fence like I can?

[hagbard_celine]

Says you who served in Gulf War 1.

Maybe you should have included a picture of Ken Bigley getting his head sawn off..


Simply objecting to how Side A's troops treats Side B prisoners doesn't mean that one does not care about an innocent man on Side A being executed by Side B. I feel sorry for poor old Ken.

[marpat]

Simply objecting to how Side A's troops treats Side B prisoners doesn't mean that one does not care about an innocent man on Side A being executed by Side B. I feel sorry for poor old Ken.

Same here but lightgiver seems to have a cold sense of indifference.

[lightgiver]

Yeah you expect the shit, but abduction is a whole different ballgame.

HE was OUTSIDE the GREENZONE, unlike the Blackwater guys and co. he was unarmed and literally left to the wolves.
But that's ok as its a caucasion getting killed and not a local!?
Jeez man can't you even see it from the fence like I can?

and who is doing the abducting??? do not believe everything you hear on the masonic MSM.

I suppose Muslims brought down the towers.:rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

Same here but lightgiver seems to have a cold sense of indifference.

Stop stalking me.:mad:

[marpat]

Stop stalking me.:mad:


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[lostwonderer]

Are the pair of you still bickering?:D