Antichrist

[crowd control]

This must have been brought up here a hundred times, so apologies if it's a repeat topic, but I'm just interested to find out what you guys think of this idea and more specifically if you believe there is an such entity alive and coming to power right now, is it in human form, who do you think it is ? Even if you are stretching or even just having a bit of fun guessing let me know what you think.

Cheers

[optimus pigpot]

This must have been brought up here a hundred times, so apologies if it's a repeat topic, but I'm just interested to find out what you guys think of this idea and more specifically if you believe there is an such entity alive and coming to power right now, is it in human form, who do you think it is ? Even if you are stretching or even just having a bit of fun guessing let me know what you think.

Cheers

Although snoops and his friends seem quite anti-christish!!!!!

[crowd control]

snoops?

[crowd control]

What about this Pindar character ? Anybody any photos of him ? :D

[octopusrex]

You know the Bugs Bunny cartoons where there's a little devil on one shoulder and a little angel on the other?

That's my concept of the anti-christ.

[levithan]

Obama.

[crowd control]

Any more ?

[tintin]

William Alexander of Orange is the
antichrist. Everyday i look at things see more confirmation
of that. His wife is called Maxima.
That tells already something.

His children are TRIPLE A.
His numerical code is 3 X 666.
And loads more that point to him as being the
one to watch.

Strangely enough I have never read anywhere his name in
relation to this, but loads of times Prince Charles or Schwarzengger,
yet the symbolism points to Alex.
(see also the NEWS BEHIND THE NEWS thread or the MADELEINE
thread in the symbo section.)

[hagbard_celine]

What about this Pindar character ? Anybody any photos of him ? :D

I've never seen one.

According to the Illuminati III movie, Pindar drives a Rolls Royce and lives in Belgium.

[2013]

Johnny rotten sang I am an anti christ ,the meaning of anti christ i read was anyone who denied that christ was the actual living embodiment of the son of god .So thereofre there are lots of anti christs around mainly any other religions for a start not to mention aethiests .As for the political embodiment of this character it could be one of many , nostrodamus said there where 3 antichrists nero and hitler being the 1st 2 with one to come ,but revealtions tells of the false prophet the anti christ who is the beast the false prophet will herald the coming of the anti christ a bit like john the baptist with jesus .Any of todays politicians and big busines
leaders fit the bill easily with there total disregard for life in all its forms :D

[oiram]

This must have been brought up here a hundred times, so apologies if it's a repeat topic, but I'm just interested to find out what you guys think of this idea and more specifically if you believe there is an such entity alive and coming to power right now, is it in human form, who do you think it is ? Even if you are stretching or even just having a bit of fun guessing let me know what you think.
We all looking the wrong direction!
THE ANTICHRIST AND THE MYSTERIOUS 666 (http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/antichrist.html)
Full Article: http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/antichrist.html
Before we look at the circumstances behind the national Sunday law, we must identify the antichrist.
The Bible describes the number 666 in Revelation 13:18, and it specifically says that it is the number of a man. “Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.”
There is much confusion and speculation today concerning this mysterious number. Many believe this to be the number of the antichrist. Still others believe that this number is somehow associated with the sinister mark of the beast. Who is the man who bears this number? Is he the antichrist? When will he appear? What are the devastating effects his presence is expected to have on the earth? Will this person choose to remain unknown, or will his presence be announced and his work done openly? Or, will he masquerade as some holy person that the whole world looks up to, thinking he is working for God instead of the devil?

Thus, the official title of the pope is Vicarius Filii Dei; translated from Latin this is Vicar of the Son of God. A vicar is a substitute in office.
http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/666.jpg (http://www.pacinst.com/nslaw/chapter3/antichrist.html) Main Index Page: http://www.pacinst.com/index.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/images/symbols/thumbs/cross-inverted-75.gifAn inverted cross is the cross of St. Peter, who, according to tradition, was crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die the same way as Christ. As Catholics believe the pope to be a successor of St. Peter, the inverted cross is frequently used in connection with the papacy, such as on the papal throne and in papal tombs [photo]. It also symbolizes humility because of the story of Peter. The inverted cross has more recently been appropriated by Satanists as a symbol meant to oppose or invert Christianity.
http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...bols/cross.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/images/symbols/crosses/papal_cross_wegast.jpg (http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/symbols/cross.htm)The papal cross is the official symbol of the papacy, and may be used only by the Pope. The three bars of the cross most likely represent the three realms of the Pope's authority: the church, the world, and heaven.
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/symbols/cross.htm

[emanuel]

This must have been brought up here a hundred times, so apologies if it's a repeat topic, but I'm just interested to find out what you guys think of this idea and more specifically if you believe there is an such entity alive and coming to power right now, is it in human form, who do you think it is ? Even if you are stretching or even just having a bit of fun guessing let me know what you think.

Cheers

I'm not a religeous person, not in a typical sense, but if there is an anti-christ 'it' will fool everyone and turn everyone against the true Christ figure (who apparently saves all from something I will not go into), according to 'the big book', and nobody will realise until it is practically too late. If this IS the case then it is some seriously bad news because lets say a man standing in the middle of the street points to a being, KNOWING this being is the anti-christ, 'it' will be so dis-arming that people would call the man a lunatic. This example is on a base level (and the likely outcome to the scenario) so if you consider the supposed power of the anti-christ and indeed 'the' Christ then you are looking at a battle,so to speak, beyond the comprehension or consciousness of the innocent average joe. Hense the need to 'awaken'.

Just my thoughts :)

[procyon]

Jesus the Christ. Christ is not a last name. It means spirit. Jesus the spirit. An anti christ would be someone opposed to the qualities of the spirit.

[zarah]

Ever since I first saw a photo of Raztinger, before John Paul 2 died, I thought he was the 'anti-christ'.

[phildee3]

Jesus the Christ. Christ is not a last name. It means spirit. Jesus the spirit. An anti christ would be someone opposed to the qualities of the spirit.

Christ is a spirit.
The word means "king", the "anointed one".

Antichrist is anti-Christ (not anti-"Jesus").
Jesus was a man. Satan has had his battle with him, it's over, so you can forget about Jesus as far as this battle is concerned.

If Christ is spirit, then antichrist is spirit.

Christ's "return" is in spirit form.

There is one Christ; one antichrist.

"An" antichrist is a misnomer. Another excuse for persecuting someone.
Christ is love. Only Love can win this battle!


PS Ratzinger is a demon, not an antichrist.

[octopusrex]

Have to agree with the sprit thing.

Antichrist = That which opposes Christs' spirit (or for atheists, the spirit of his message)

Christ = The spirit of real Christianity.

Of course, if some dude comes down from the Clouds who has the right wounds, DNA etc. Well, I am sorry, I will strongly appologize to him.

[emanuel]

It does make me chuckle, the way people get there knickers in a twist about what the bible really means.

[phildee3]

Have to agree with the sprit thing.
Antichrist = That which opposes Christs' spirit (or for atheists, the spirit of his message)
Christ = The spirit of real Christianity.

Of course, if some dude comes down from the Clouds who has the right wounds, DNA etc. Well, I am sorry, I will strongly appologize to him.

Now if you really mean the first part of this, octo,
then you'll know that the dude coming out of the clouds is a secret government hologram project!

[bigus_dickus]

Jesus the Christ. Christ is not a last name. It means spirit. Jesus the spirit. An anti christ would be someone opposed to the qualities of the spirit.

Christ is from the Greek Χριστός, which means someone who has the chrism.

chrism
"oil mingled with balm," O.E., from L. chrisma, from Gk. khrisma "anointing, unction." Chrisom "baptismal robe," is a c.1200 variant of this.

anoint
c.1303 (implied in anointing), from O.Fr. enoint "smeared on," pp. of enoindre "smear on," from L. inunguere, from in- "on" + unguere "to smear." Originally in ref. to grease or oil smeared on for medicinal purposes; its use in the Coverdale Bible in ref. to Christ (cf. The Lord's Anointed, see chrism) has spiritualized the sense of it.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=chrism&searchmode=none

Christ and Messiah are words that have the same meaning, they mean "anointed".

messiah
c.1300, Messias, from L.L. Messias, from Gk. Messias, from Aramaic meshiha and Heb. mashiah "anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." This is the word rendered in Septuagint as Gk. Khristos (see Christ). In O.T. prophetic writing, it was used of an expected deliverer of the Jewish nation. The modern Eng. form represents an attempt to make the word look more Heb., and dates from the Geneva Bible (1560). Transf. sense of "an expected liberator or savior of a captive people" is attested from 1666.

Christ
O.E. crist, from L. Christus, from Gk. khristos "the anointed" (translation of Heb. mashiah, see messiah), from khriein "to rub, anoint," title given to Jesus of Nazareth. The L. term drove out O.E. hæland "healer" as the preferred descriptive term for Jesus. A title, treated as a proper name in O.E., but not regularly capitalized until 17c. Pronunciation with long -i- is result of Ir. missionary work in England, 7c.-8c. The Ch- form, regular since c.1500, was rare before. Christmas is O.E. Cristes mæsse and retains original vowel sound; Father Christmas first attested in a carol attributed to Richard Smart, Rector of Plymtree (Devon) from 1435-77. Christmas tree first attested 1835 in Amer.Eng., from Ger. Weihnachtsbaum. Christmas cards first designed 1843, popular by 1860s.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=messiah&searchmode=none

one is the translation of the other.


so, what is the anti-christ? the anti-anointed? someone who claims to be anointed but isn't? someone who opposes to the belief of the anointed or denies his existence?

well, the dictionary says:

antichrist
c.1300, from L.L. antichristus, from Gk. antikhristos [I John ii.18], from anti- "against" + khristos (see Christ).

Dictionary.com says:

An·ti·christ /ˈæntɪˌkraɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-ti-krahyst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Theology.
1. a particular personage or power, variously identified or explained, who is conceived of as appearing in the world as the principal antagonist of Christ.
2. (sometimes lowercase) an opponent of Christ; a person or power antagonistic to Christ.
3. (often lowercase) a disbeliever in Christ.
4. (often lowercase) a false Christ.

an·ti·christ (ān'tĭ-krīst', ān'tī-) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. An enemy of Christ.
2. Antichrist The epithet of the great antagonist who was expected by the early Church to set himself up against Christ in the last days before the Second Coming.
3. A false Christ.

antichrist

noun
(Christianity) the adversary of Christ (or Christianity) mentioned in the New Testament; the Antichrist will rule the world until overthrown by the Second Coming of Christ

Antichrist

A person mentioned in the New Testament as an enemy of Jesus, who will appear before the Second Coming and win over many of Jesus' followers. The Antichrist is often identified with a beast described in the Book of Revelation, whom God destroys just before the final defeat of Satan.

Note: Since the New Testament was written, people have frequently tried to prove that an individual human being was the Antichrist. Some of the candidates have been the Roman emperors Nero and Caligula and the modern dictators Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

Antichrist

against Christ, or an opposition Christ, a rival Christ. The word is used only by the apostle John. Referring to false teachers, he says (1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7), "Even now are there many antichrists." (1.) This name has been applied to the "little horn" of the "king of fierce countenance" (Dan. 7:24, 25; 8:23-25).

(2.) It has been applied also to the "false Christs" spoken of by our Lord (Matt. 24:5, 23, 24).

(3.) To the "man of sin" described by Paul (2 Thess. 2:3, 4, 8-10).

(4.) And to the "beast from the sea" (Rev. 13:1; 17:1-18).

Antichrist

Antichrist, an adversary to Christ

this covers pretty much everything. everything and everyone that is opposite to, or imposing as Christ, as the word "anti-" suggests.

[phildee3]

this covers pretty much everything. everything and everyone that is opposite to, or imposing as Christ, as the word "anti-" suggests.

Good posting, bd,
but this doesn't cover everything by any means.

Christ/Messiah means the Lord's/God's anointed.
Before God (the Great Spirit) anoints human beings, he anoints his son (ie. the logos, or his will) in the spiritual realm.

What is chrism?
Oil, the essence of living things (their life-force) and
balm, a salve that heals (makes whole).

Who gets anointed?
- The King!
and, at the same time, crowned.
In the case of the "heavenly" king, with glory (symbolized by a circle of gold and precious jewels in the case of earthly, fake "kings").

The man, Jesus (so the story goes) was baptised (Christened) by John in the Jordan and then anointed (by Maria Magedalen) in ritual re-enactment of this heavenly act of the almighty, Great Spirit, giving power and authority to His Will as a seperate entity.


We can also be Christened through similar disciplines and rites.

I'm sure that people can be "antichristend" too, through satanic rites, but what is most important is that THE Christ and THE Antichrist are first and foremost spiritual beings.

Battle against AN antichrist, or A christ(ian), is futile.
When THE Antichrist is defeated, so will be all antichrists.

[arrowwind]

Far as I can tell the world is filled with antichrists. Anywhere you look there is one.

Anti christ is anyone who does not promote living in truth with an open loving heart and conscious mind. People have been waiting around for what is already under their noses all along, always thinking that an anti christ couldn't possibly look just like them.

There are big movers and shakers like Cheney, Sadam, Hitler, Kissinger. Then there are the little movers and shakers like the guy who steals your tools out of the garage and the petty cash, drinks too much, beats his ife, and demeans his children..

[fergz]

Far as I can tell the world is filled with antichrists. Anywhere you look there is one.

Anti christ is anyone who does not promote living in truth with an open loving heart and conscious mind. People have been waiting around for what is already under their noses always thinking that an anti christ couldn't possibly look just like them.

I agree the, anti-christ is an energy/emothion rather then a physical being. Although these energies reside within and around physical beings.
The 'with the gloves off' satanic rituals do alot for applying the negative to energy so anti-christs are everywhere. I personaly know plenty of people who I dont like to be around that much because of all the energy they give off and there attitude towards life and the'cattle' that we are.

I think my ex is without a doubt a little evil satan

[gods sun]

im sure the anti christ will be female, and so will the saviour? thats my prediction. i belive the virgin mary is the protector of good in the earths ether?

[sunyatta60]

People claim it is Spirit I think it is all to do with States of Consciousness and therefore anyone who oppose Love and Hates Light is Anti Christ.
If you are looking for the Biblical Anti Christ then I say it is William Windsor and here are some interesting links for you to peruse.

http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/whoisthe.htm

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/dis/prince/prince.html

Interestingly google keep taking this second link down maybe it is worth putting here

[phildee3]

im sure the anti christ will be female, and so will the saviour? thats my prediction.


The Christ is androgynous (and therefore the Antichrist also).
One must descend through several heirarchies of angels before encountering beings with gender.

If you find a "saviour" in human form, they are certainly not "the saviour"!!
"Been there, done that!" - GOD.

"Behold, I come as in clouds - with power and great glory."
"...and every eye shall see [him]"
(and no, this doesn't mean helicopters and TV sets!) -
"...unless thine eye be single (ie. the inner, "3rd eye") , thy whole body shall be full of darkness (ignorance/blindness)."

[octopusrex]

Now if you really mean the first part of this, octo,
then you'll know that the dude coming out of the clouds is a secret government hologram project!

Something I learned from Dungeons & Dragons: Never fuck with higher-level dudes unless you ... well, just never fuck with them.

[phildee3]

Something I learned from Dungeons & Dragons: Never fuck with higher-level dudes unless you ... well, just never fuck with them.

May I complete your sentence?

...unless you have an ally that's on an even higher level than the higher-level dudes you're fuckin with.

Right?

Fuck the government!!

[bigus_dickus]

Christ/Messiah means the Lord's/God's anointed.
Before God (the Great Spirit) anoints human beings, he anoints his son (ie. the logos, or his will) in the spiritual realm.

What is chrism?
Oil, the essence of living things (their life-force) and
balm, a salve that heals (makes whole).

Who gets anointed?
- The King!
and, at the same time, crowned.
In the case of the "heavenly" king, with glory (symbolized by a circle of gold and precious jewels in the case of earthly, fake "kings").

The man, Jesus (so the story goes) was baptised (Christened) by John in the Jordan and then anointed (by Maria Magedalen) in ritual re-enactment of this heavenly act of the almighty, Great Spirit, giving power and authority to His Will as a seperate entity.


We can also be Christened through similar disciplines and rites.

I'm sure that people can be "antichristend" too, through satanic rites, but what is most important is that THE Christ and THE Antichrist are first and foremost spiritual beings.

Battle against AN antichrist, or A christ(ian), is futile.
When THE Antichrist is defeated, so will be all antichrists.

well, these are philosophical interpretations and belief is required for them. someone may believe them, someone may not and someone else may suggest different philosophical interpretations.

i didn't want to comment on these, i only took the literal interpretation as a starting point. after all, the word itself is a historical addition and a word that is derived from the word "christ" (anti-christ).

therefore the philosophical interpretation may vary a lot according to people's understanding and their historical era.

[emanuel]

Thank you Bigus Dickus (can't believe I just said 'thank you' to someone who calls themself Bigus Dickus LOL).

Hopefully your post will stop the silly arguing on this thread, I cant stand it when religeous types start flapping and preaching of what 'is' like all other opinions are void.
:-)

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A Tale Of Two Brains

[phildee3]

well, these are philosophical interpretations and belief is required for them. someone may believe them, someone may not.

I do not encourage belief,
only the discovery of knowledge (which comes only from within yourself).




someone else may suggest different philosophical interpretations.

I prefer the word "observations" but, yes, I wish they would!

I am interested in other people's angle on "what is Christ?"
(which I think is a vital prerequisite to finding out "what is antichrist?").





the philosophical interpretation may vary a lot according to people's understanding and their historical era.

Yes.
I liken it to the four blind men who were trying to descibe an elephant from touching it.
All four gave very differnent descriptions because they were touching different parts, but they were all describing the same elephant!



"flapping and preaching of what 'is' like all other opinions are void."

Sorry you feel this way (if you're talking about me).
It's a bit cumbersome to put "imo" after every sentence so let me qualify:
My whole post is "imo".
Other serious and genuine opinions are valid (imo).

I do not preach. I am not trying to get anyone to believe what I say.
I do not prosletize. I am just relaying what I have observed and figured out after many years of esoteric theological study.
I am not a "type" because I do not belong to any group.
I am not going to stop posting anything which is on topic and is my truthful observation.

Look within.
Find your own truth.
Then share it!

[bigus_dickus]

Sorry you feel this way (if you're talking about me).
It's a bit cumbersome to put "imo" after every sentence so let me qualify:
My whole post is "imo".
Other serious and genuine opinions are valid (imo).

wait.. i didn't say that this interpretation is wrong. i merely explained what i was talking about. the philosophical interpretation you gave may be correct, but nevertheless it's impossible for me to argue about it. not that i would actually.

i have given interpretations like this a few times i think. so, anyway, someone invents a new term, for example "shadow self". there is a literal interpretation and then the imagination of people running wild, that's what we always do.

[octopusrex]

May I complete your sentence?

...unless you have an ally that's on an even higher level than the higher-level dudes you're fuckin with.

Right?

Fuck the government!!

Nah.. You let them fight it out and then worship the winner.

[phildee3]

Sorry you feel this way (if you're talking about me).
It's a bit cumbersome to put "imo" after every sentence so let me qualify:
My whole post is "imo".
Other serious and genuine opinions are valid (imo). PHILDEE3


wait.. i didn't say that this interpretation is wrong. i merely explained what i was talking about. the philosophical interpretation you gave may be correct, but nevertheless it's impossible for me to argue about it. not that i would actually.




Sorry for the confusion bd.
My reply (above) was not to you but to "emanuel" who took the opportunity to twist your posting into an attack on me.

Yer cool.

[lovemore]

Well I would recommend reading the (King James) bible to get a proper understanding. But I will make some observations.

The AntiChrist

The idea of the antichrist comes from:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18

John defines an antichrist:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

John goes on to say:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3

Reading through the various prophesies it seems that the spirit of antichrist was the office of the roman emperor that grew into the modern pope. Because Rome itself was being criticized in Roman times, the bible is cautious to name it explicitly. There are a number of ways to identify Rome.

The end times

To understand the end times, you have to realize that first of all that in the bible Paul warned people about believing that we are in the end times when we are not.

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

Many events in the old testament pre-figured (represented) the end times. The destruction of the temple of Jerusalem, thirty seven years after Jesus' resurrection was also such an event.

In Matthew 24 Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and the end times, when Christ is to return.

He said many false Christs would rise up and deceive many, which is exactly what happened. And it is what John talks about in his letter. Jesus Christ came and was resurrected. But many people came after also claiming to be Christ, who were all destroyed along with the temple by 70AD.

You see everyone knew it was time for Christ to appear because of the prophecies of Daniel.

The Number of the Beast

Many occultists will use the number 666 wherever they can. This does not mean to say they are the antichrist, just an antichrist.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Revelation 13:18

To understand why most of the explanations of 666 are wrong, you have to understand the prophetic language of the bible. (Reading it helps.) A beast in the bible represents a king or kingdom. Most explanations do not fit that.

The only explanation that fits is the greek word "lateinos" which means the Latin man, or man of Latium. Latium was a kingdom that came to dominate Rome, which is why the church still uses latin: because it the native language of Latium. "Lateinos" is the kingdom of Latium, hence its number qualifies as the number of a beast as well as the number of a man.

It also uses the same numbering system the "Six hundred threescore and six" was written in: greek.

What Antichrist means

"anti" means opposed or against, but can also mean in the place of or substituted for.

"christ" means "anointed" and is a transliteration of "messiah", who is spoken of by Daniel the prophet. And is prophesied of by all the old testament prophets.

Rome today, denies the title "Vicarius Filii Dei" for the pope, but happily accepts the title Vicar of Christ or "Vicarius Christi". (Vicarius means substituted for, from which we also get our word vicarious.) So "Vicarius Christi" means anti-christ!

[octopusrex]

What color does the pope wear?

[phildee3]

What color does the pope wear?

If this is a serious question, it depends on the season in the church calender.

If it's a joke; - go ahead.

[octopusrex]

What I know about "colors".

White is the boss of 'em all. Doctors, Druids, Jesus.. Quetzalcoatl.

Black is kind of the Judge Dredd look.

Green is the Yesssirrr we can do! Kind of Military spiff.

Blue explorer.

Red... Ahh... Red.

Grey - Gandalf before he gets whacked.

Orange. I generally follow their advice. Costly.

Yellow. Be Alert!

Pink - awwww ain't them kiddies cute? (see Red above)

Brown - Sieg Heil!

....

TRANSPARENT! Now THERE's A COLOR!

Regarding jokes. This is a BRITISH website. The BRITS are the best comics by far. Benny Hill anybody?

[drael]

The beast/satan/the devil is mankind. The beast is those who claim knowledge greater than god: churchs, scientists, goverments etc. There is no "anti-christ" because the devil is mankind. This ties in with the wrath of god during babylon, egypt etc.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

Let us note that the number given, has the ancient meaning of being the number of man. Additionally "for it is the number of a man". E.g. the beast is a man.

[octopusrex]

Alright..

Let me get this straight. All you fellas are trying to say the Illuminati or some Lizards from space wrote the Bible... Then yer trying to figure out who the antichrist is? An for what purpose exactly? Because "the truth shall set you free?"

Lets all of us get a grip. There is more than ONE holy book.

Koran = Dajjal (never actually spoken of as such in the Koran!)

Baghavad Gita = There's no anti-nobody there. In fact is all family feuds. One family supports corruption and ignorance and the other supports true religion.

Tibbetan Book of the Dead = Wrathful dieties and friendly dieties after death are all your own intellect trying to reach the pure light.

Before we start pointing fingers to Lizards and Illuminati, READ A FUCKING BOOK!

[oiram]

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"The impersonation of john Paul II by a devil will be followed
by other impersonations of known personalities climaxing with
the impersonation of Jesus Christ by Satan."
http://www.worldslastchance.com/next_and_last_pope.php

[king triad]

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"The impersonation of john Paul II by a devil will be followed
by other impersonations of known personalities climaxing with
the impersonation of Jesus Christ by Satan."
http://www.worldslastchance.com/next_and_last_pope.php

because I believe Christ is here that would make benedict the anti-christ...robbing him of his honor...

[octopusrex]

Let me know where he (Jesus) is. I'd love to pay him a visit.

I wouldn't mind some real spiritual counsel right now.

[phildee3]

Let me know where he (Jesus) is. I'd love to pay him a visit.

I wouldn't mind some real spiritual counsel right now.

Because (s)he is an aspect of the omnipresent, (s)he is everywhere.
One needs to attain a specific state of consciousness, however, to gain access.

As I said on another thread recently, I would recommend meditation on the mysteries to achieve this.

Two of my favourites are:
The birth of that which had no beginning, and
the concept of the "Mother of God" (when God is the all-that-is).

This is very much the same as meditating on a Zen koan.

[cruise4]

6 + 6 + 6 = 18
1 + 8 = 9

http://www.equilibra.uk.com/shop2.shtml

Various extracts:

The vibration of nine is the limit of physical creation; just as the speed of light - a nine - is the limit of speed in the physical universe. Could this be therefore, the number of Man in a physical and intellectual sense? This is what the Book of Revelation tells us - that 666 (nine) is the number of (a) man. Therefore the number of the Beast is the number of Man; that is, Man is confined by the number to being a beast - i.e. to expressing the baser aspects of the self. Nine is the limit of the ego, the limit of the intellect. Nine is a vibrational prison, as it can be no other than what it is, a vibration which keeps repeating itself and like the speed of light cannot be physically or intellectually transcended.

We seem to have made the mistake of identifying with and misinterpreting these initiatic symbols by assuming they are magical or hold other divine powers, when all they have ever been and remain is a form of symbolic representation of something more profound. They are meant to represent one’s understanding of the deeper workings of Nature and are used as a signature, a sign, a form of identification and communication between people who know of these deeper workings, without the fear of being discovered. This identification process is still evident today with the so-called secret handshake of the Masonic Lodge.

Could this be where we have been going wrong and could our fascination with these ‘secret symbols’, mathematics and geometry be partially responsible for locking us into this physical reality - the 0.0001% of who and what we are: the inert part, matter? Is this because their true meaning has never been openly revealed, or has been overlooked; possibly even misinterpreted, misunderstood or manipulated intentionally or unintentionally and therefore their true integrity and meaning essentially lost?

Numbers are vibrational energy. We can use numerology to determine our ‘number’ or our vibration by appointing numbers to the letters of our name, totalling them up until they become a single digit. We can do the same with our birth dates, such as 01/01/59, which could be totalled as 1 + 1 + 5 +9 = 16 and 1 + 6 = 7. Here, we would be a seven vibration. We could then find out how this might be significant in relation to our personality, character and so forth.

Nine has always been the focus of Man himself and the ego consciousness, which drives him, because most people only choose to see physically and understand intellectually. After all are we not taught from a very early age in most societies to be intellectual rather than spiritual? Therefore, what we observe intellectually all about us becomes ‘all that is’ to our ego, and all around us is based upon the numbers of 1-9 - the end result of creation, matter, the physical aspect.

Accepting this, we can also accept that the physical and the intellect can go no further because once it becomes nine we know it will only keep on repeating itself. The vibration of nine is the limit of physical creation; just as the speed of light - a nine - is the limit of speed in the physical universe. Could this be therefore, the number of Man in a physical and intellectual sense? This is what the Book of Revelation tells us - that 666 (nine) is the number of (a) man. Therefore the number of the Beast is the number of Man; that is, Man is confined by the number to being a beast - i.e. to expressing the baser aspects of the self. Nine is the limit of the ego, the limit of the intellect. Nine is a vibrational prison, as it can be no other than what it is, a vibration which keeps repeating itself and like the speed of light cannot be physically or intellectually transcended.

Is this why we keep making the same mistakes over and over again? Because we have become locked into our intellect and we are becoming more like machines than the integrated, loving and totally interconnected consciousness we truly are? Similar to the goldfish in a bowl swimming around in continuous circles? Can we understand how Man has become so fascinated by and locked into the number nine, and therefore mathematics and geometric shapes? Man continues to use mathematics and geometry to express his understanding of the deeper workings of Nature and the Cosmos and forgets, or is not allowed to remember they are merely a symbolic representation of hidden truths.

So what feeds the nine (matter)? We know from open-minded physicists that ether (spirit) animates matter. If nine (including the numbers 9 down to 1) is representative of the whole of the physical aspect of creation, something has to be responsible for creating and animating it. For the answer to this we need to go back to the circle and it is here we can discover Man’s ‘missing link’. We know the circle is a nine number and that nine can only ever be itself, so nine must be represented somewhere within the circle. This leaves us with two possibilities for looking at how the circle is made up. We can divide the circle by eight, which would give us eight segments of 45° degrees, preserving the nine. However, eight is a lower vibration than nine, so I believe we need to divide the circle by the number greater than nine - TEN - to give ten segments of 36°, 3+6=9. We now have ten aspects of nine making up the circle, which is also nine. So the aspect of nine repeating itself is preserved. 10 x 9 = 90, 9 + 0 = 9.

See symbolic representation above. This introduces us to another number, the number ten. If we now add one through nine and finally add Ten, we have 45 + 10 = 55, 5 + 5 = 10! It appears that nine cannot exist without Ten. Because we know that ether feeds matter, then ether feeds nine from within, from beyond nine. Numerically speaking, here we see that 10 comes from 'above' nine and would seem to be the transcendent number of 9. (Could this be where the axiom 'As Above So Below' originates from? Is this why we have had this simple inversion of truth expressed upon us because once again we have taken this symbolic representation too literally?). From this example we need ten for the nine and all it is composed of to exist in the first place. It would appear ten creates and animates all of the other vibrations, one to nine, the physical aspect of creation. Without ten we cannot have nine or anything below it.

Symbolically, ten has been represented by the symbol ;. Interestingly the symbolic representation for the Sun – fire/spirit - is also ;. If we ask the question ‘what feeds the nine?’ in relation to our solar system, we see that the Sun feeds the nine planets with energy. The Sun is the 10th body at the centre of our solar system. The 10 feeds the 9. In some ancient cultures, 10 was held as the sacred number which should not be written down. It was therefore often written as two lots of 5. This indicates that far back in antiquity, our ancestors had a profound understanding of the nature of the interconnected order of the Universe and the role numbers play in that cosmic order.

Due to our tendency towards the externalisation of perception, we have intellectualised over the years that the symbol ; must therefore refer to the physical Sun, which we see with our physical eyes, and so we have continued to look outside into this physical reality for the answers to our spirituality. We know this is an error because we know that spirit resides within. Also, because as physicists will tell us, everything comes from within not from without. The natural flow of Creation works from in to out and it is the ether/spirit/fire, which animates matter - from within. The symbol ;, the ten, the sun/fire/spirit is the 99.999% of who and what we are. This symbol ; has, therefore, always been a symbolic representation of the inner Sun, our inner Sun, our fire within, the inner flame, the Spirit, the energy source, which supports all life.

It is no coincidence that both the ten and the sun/fire/spirit are symbolically represented as being one and the same. Numerologically speaking, the vibration of the inner Ten which creates everything is the Spirit, Ether, the inner sun and the inner fire, which creates life and animates matter and animates all the other numbers (vibrations of matter), so we can experience the physical reality we have created.

Ten, being the Source of all there IS, the Oneness of Everything must, therefore, be represented in the physical aspect of creation in order for it to experience itself. After all, what exists outside of us is merely a reflection of what lies within. Ten/spirit must be represented somewhere within physical reality, otherwise there would be no physical reality at all. And it is. All we need to do is to stop looking up and out into the stars and the heavens for a moment and look down. Look down at our hands and what do we see? Ten fingers. If we look further down we see ten toes. Realise we are the TEN, we are the ;. We have always been the ; SPIRIT/TEN. We have just forgotten that’s all.

[octopusrex]

Because (s)he is an aspect of the omnipresent, (s)he is everywhere.
One needs to attain a specific state of consciousness, however, to gain access.

As I said on another thread recently, I would recommend meditation on the mysteries to achieve this.

Two of my favourites are:
The birth of that which had no beginning, and
the concept of the "Mother of God" (when God is the all-that-is).

This is very much the same as meditating on a Zen koan.

I'll meditate on your words.