View Full Version : "Perverts"?
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 10:48 PM
I have seen a few posts come up that almost imply that if anyone is sexually perverted in anyway then they are evil... or influenced by negative enteritis...
I don't think this is the case and I was interested to see what this pole would do.... be honest.. you don't have to say anything...just vote :).
note, I am not talking about anything that invades the freedom of others free will... if you like that then don't bother with this thread....
Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.
Aleister Crowley
Part of the public horror of sexual irregularity so-called is due to the fact that everyone knows himself essentially guilty.
Aleister Crowley
clipwip
20-12-2007, 11:04 PM
I have seen a few posts come up that almost imply that if anyone is sexually perverted in anyway then they are evil... or influenced by negative enteritis...
I don't think this is the case and I was interested to see what this pole would do.... be honest.. you don't have to say anything...just vote :).
note, I am not talking about anything that invades the freedom of others free will... if you like that then don't bother with this thread....
This is a bit of a vague query. "Perversion" is a rather loose term. Sort of like "Evil" or "Immoral." All very relative. Maybe you should make a list of what you consider perverted sexual acts. I realize you need to keep this forum clean, but your question doesn't really mean anything. Some people consider any act of homosexuality to be "evil" and "perverted." Some people consider any heterosexual sex acts which fall outside the missionary position to be "perverted."
Anders Lindman
20-12-2007, 11:13 PM
Sexuality is an immense force. It is through sex that nature has defeated death for billions of years. So it's not that strange that sexuality easily can create all kinds of weird behavior in people.
limelady
20-12-2007, 11:14 PM
Extreme sexual perversions are more aligned with obsessional behaviours and addictions IMO, and from everything I've read, it would seem that rather than the person being "evil" there is more often than not an underlying 'mental' cause (usually some sort of self-loathing) behind what drives these behaviours.
The problem with perversions is that they tend to become more extreme as time goes by....when the original thrill ("high") is no longer available from an activity, the perversion-addict then adds more to the mix in attempting to get the same levels of "high" they desire. Some of these perversions end up in death for those involved. Think snuff movies and self-asphyxiation here!
IMO there is a BIG difference between being a bit kinky and having some fun, and having a full-blown sexual perversion that MUST be fulfilled for the purpose of self-gratification and a "high".
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:19 PM
This is a bit of a vague query. "Perversion" is a rather loose term. Sort of like "Evil" or "Immoral." All very relative. Maybe you should make a list of what you consider perverted sexual acts. I realize you need to keep this forum clean, but your question doesn't really mean anything. Some people consider any act of homosexuality to be "evil" and "perverted." Some people consider any heterosexual sex acts which fall outside the missionary position to be "perverted."
My understanding on being perverted is needing or have a strong desire to do more than you need ..... so sexual intercourse is not stimulating enough... so you do other things to get what you want......
this to me is perversion... And I believe that even if not everyone forfills their perverted desires they all have them... is one a pervert for having the desires..or practising them?
i don't think this is evil.... I actually think its artistic...
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.
Aleister Crowley
Part of the public horror of sexual irregularity so-called is due to the fact that everyone knows himself essentially guilty.
Aleister Crowley
those quotes were also at a time where sex was very repressed...
clipwip
20-12-2007, 11:35 PM
My understanding on being perverted is needing or have a strong desire to do more than you need ..... so sexual intercourse is not stimulating enough... so you do other things to get what you want......
needing more than you need. hmm... let me take a moment and digest that. What do you "need?" According to Catholics, sex is strictly for procreation. For Tantrics, it's a means of spiritual ecstasy and experience. Monks and nuns take a vow of celibacy. Your original question is still meaningless.
ps: WTF does "forfill" mean?
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Just to add... if one is not perverted, I am not saying this is any less or anything ... I just find the subject interesting... as so many people are different... is it society that creates perversion... or human nature?
limelady
20-12-2007, 11:36 PM
My understanding on being perverted is needing or have a strong desire to do more than you need ..... so sexual intercourse is not stimulating enough... so you do other things to get what you want......
this to me is perversion... And I believe that even if not everyone forfills their perverted desires they all have them... is one a pervert for having the desires..or practising them?
i don't think this is evil.... I actually think its artistic...
Sexual perversions as a form of artistic expression?
Well I'm not sure of what level of kinky you are referring to here TW, but to my mind habitual sexual perversions/diviations are very much associated with lower charkra energy and have way more to do with fulfilling the ego's desire for self-gratification than expressing art, or love of oneself or humanity.
But this is just my opinion. :)
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:39 PM
needing more than you need. hmm... let me take a moment and digest that. What do you "need?" According to Catholics, sex is strictly for procreation. For Tantrics, it's a means of spiritual ecstasy and experience. Monks and nuns take a vow of celibacy. Your original question is still meaningless.
ps: WTF does "forfill" mean?
sorry typing to fast... i means "fulfill"
Well my original thing was to find out how many here regarded them selves as perverted.....
what I am interested to find out it.... is perversion evil?... if so, why?
clipwip
20-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Well my original thing was to find out how many here regarded them selves as perverted.....
you should have stopped right there.
what I am interested to find out it.... is perversion evil?... if so, why?
here is where you wander into "no man's land." There is no consensus on the definition of "perversion" or "evil." Thus, you have an undefined premise which will not yield any meaningful answer.
danielg
20-12-2007, 11:48 PM
Thou art very knowing Limelady :)
Here is your answer TW.
http://www.orgonomy.org/article_008.html
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:49 PM
here is where you wander into "no man's land." There is no consensus on the definition of "perversion" or "evil." Thus, you have an undefined premise which will not yield any meaningful answer.
nothing wrong in debating ..... :)
Some here do think that perversion is a Satanic influence....
I think there is an artistic element to perversion... because Sex is not love.... just sex on its own is a perversion anyway... and how many people here do not like sex? or at least often have a desire for it...
octopusrex
20-12-2007, 11:53 PM
Yes.
For most people yes. For me its not perverse what I like wot?
thirdwave
20-12-2007, 11:56 PM
Sexual perversions as a form of artistic expression?
Well I'm not sure of what level of kinky you are referring to here TW, but to my mind habitual sexual perversions/diviations are very much associated with lower charkra energy and have way more to do with fulfilling the ego's desire for self-gratification than expressing art, or love of oneself or humanity.
But this is just my opinion. :)
but there are some people who have commit suicide for not fulfilling there sexuality and desires...
Sex does have everything to do with ego yes.... but I don't think ego is bad or a problem ... our ego is what makes us beings.... its when it is to hungry that it can become evil..or a problem.
I think many people have more of an ego problem for not fulfilling there sexual desires...
Im not saying I'm some kind of sex doctor here or that I go an orgy once a week!! :)
Its just been something I have thought about a bit recently...
danielg
21-12-2007, 12:07 AM
The ego is simply the unconscious's Minister of Defence, holding the flood gates of repressed emotions in check, sometimes without success (perverted actions). It is no good just thinking fullfilling sexual desires is a solution if a person is neurotic. The neurosis must be dealt with, from understanding its origins, what it is trying to complete (need), to disalution of it, i.e unarmouring of the charcter. Getting laid/ climaxing is a temporary soution which cures nothing. There is a method and process to heal such thoughts/ behaviours.
As for it being artistic, there is nothing artistic about neurosis/perversions...well maybe at the Tate art gallery they're combined, but that is a perversion of art!
Anders Lindman
21-12-2007, 12:09 AM
Maybe perversion is when sexual energy has seeped too much into the thinking mind, a kind of overload. It would probably be better to redirect sexual energy directly into the emotional field.
tinmenace
21-12-2007, 12:10 AM
I think that as long as all participants are willing (and not coerced children) then let them have their jollies. I don't think it's anyone's business what people do sexually, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (unless they want to be hurt).
A lot of backward-thinking people think that homosexuality is wrong, and well, that's just hateful. It's not our business what people do during sex.
Each to their own. Harm no-one.
dmt head
21-12-2007, 12:20 AM
I think that as long as all participants are willing (and not coerced children) then let them have their jollies. I don't think it's anyone's business what people do sexually, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (unless they want to be hurt).
A lot of backward-thinking people think that homosexuality is wrong, and well, that's just hateful. It's not our business what people do during sex.
Each to their own. Harm no-one.
Totally agree if everyones willing then wheres the harm? Sure icke said perversions resonate to the lower dimensions but to each their own n that !
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 12:24 AM
Totally agree if everyones willing then wheres the harm? Sure icke said perversions resonate to the lower dimensions but to each their own n that !
also the lower D is not necessarily bad... only bad if you wont go beyond them.
dmt head
21-12-2007, 12:31 AM
also the lower D is not necessarily bad... only bad if you wont go beyond them.
Interesting, I just assumed that lower meant bad/negative. and what do yiu mean beyond them?
sticky ichabod crane
21-12-2007, 12:36 AM
So is loving women's bums & feet perverted.
How about tossing a woman's salad or sucking on toes, I've done both & enjoyed it:D
When you bring Crowley into the mix though you are pretty much advocating the pooholing of little boys then slitting their throats in the altar of satan or thelema.
Any of you guys hail with Crowley & Jackie Parsons.
I bet if Crowley could have another chance he wouldn't have done all that stuff he did. Considering that right now he is burning in hell.
When you go the the soulferd & brimstone sacrifice in the basement it's done.
It's time for all the sinners to repent & find God. If you wanna keep wazzing fine but if you are hurting other ppl you are toast. Especially if you victimize the weak then God will judge you hardcore.
All the ppl out there who make a living off of destroying ppl's lives & leadership like preachers & icons will burn before the Lord of Hosts.
Peace to meez Tribez
limelady
21-12-2007, 12:49 AM
but there are some people who have commit suicide for not fulfilling there sexuality and desires...
Sex does have everything to do with ego yes.... but I don't think ego is bad or a problem ... our ego is what makes us beings.... its when it is to hungry that it can become evil..or a problem.
I think many people have more of an ego problem for not fulfilling there sexual desires...
Im not saying I'm some kind of sex doctor here or that I go an orgy once a week!! :)
Its just been something I have thought about a bit recently...
Thirdwave, I'm not sure how to discuss this too much further with you because we need to define what YOU mean by "perversion". I mean are we talking about somebody who like to be tickled with a feather in bed (a harmless little personal fetish I guess you could say), or are we talking about the man who tops himself because the guy up the road won't let him shag their family dog?
The first example could be considered within the bounds or normal, while the latter example is definitely a case of an unbalanced individual with an extreme sexual abberation.
There are also many other levels in between, like the guy who becomes depressed and suicidal because his wife won't allow him to wear his rubber wet-suit to bed every night, or the guy who becomes depressed because his demands that his sexual partners insert a doubled-in-half wire coat hanger into his rectum in order for him to "get off" are falling on deaf or disgusted ears.
BTW, all those examples above are real perversions I have read about, and while I agree that we all need to have a sense of "ego" or self-worth in order to exist in any meanigful way, THESE individuals above are a good example of egos and self-worth well out of balance. In other words they don't have a good sense of "self" and there is something very wrong inside their being that is driving this type of self-destructive sexual behaviour. Unless such an individual addresses the root cause of their abberation (no pun intended), then they are likely to be very unhappy individuals who experience many failed relationships, all of which will further add to their poor sense of self and may see them eventually ending their lives by suicide.
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 12:51 AM
So is loving women's bums & feet perverted.
How about tossing a woman's salad or sucking on toes, I've done both & enjoyed it:D
LOL
yes it is.... but like I say.... its expression and I don't think its bad... ok different levels... getting off on sucking a toe is still an act to create more sexual energy.... just the same as some who like to be spanked until they cant sit down for a week! ... IMO if anyone likes to do anything more than just sexual intercourse... it is a form of perversion.
When you bring Crowley into the mix though you are pretty much advocating the pooholing of little boys then slitting their throats in the altar of satan or thelema.
Any of you guys hail with Crowley & Jackie Parsons.
I bet if Crowley could have another chance he wouldn't have done all that stuff he did. Considering that right now he is burning in hell.
When you go the the soulferd & brimstone sacrifice in the basement it's done.
It's time for all the sinners to repent & find God. If you wanna keep wazzing fine but if you are hurting other ppl you are toast. Especially if you victimize the weak then God will judge you hardcore.
All the ppl out there who make a living off of destroying ppl's lives & leadership like preachers & icons will burn before the Lord of Hosts.
Peace to meez Tribez
well without changing the thread topic... the crowley thing is a contravesial subject...
here are my views on him..
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15677
... obviously what you have said is a perversion as well... but also moves into a lack of ethics and the actions of creating it all against the will of others.... you are not having sex with someone or creating a sexual connection with someone ... you are murdering and hurting someone against their will...
tinmenace
21-12-2007, 12:53 AM
There are also many other levels in between, like the guy who becomes depressed and suicidal because his wife won't allow him to wear his rubber wet-suit to bed every night, or the guy who becomes depressed because his demands that his sexual partners insert a doubled-in-half wire coat hanger into his rectum in order for him to "get off" are falling on deaf or disgusted ears.
LMFAO! Omg! Too funny! :p
misscpb
21-12-2007, 01:00 AM
I have seen some wild and unusual things in my life and on the good old web cam, as well as experiencing things myself. For me personally the definate NO GO AREAS are anything to do with animals or children.
Maybe the word perversion is used by people who either cannot understand what a person is doing, why they like it or why they are possibly addicted to it.
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 01:02 AM
Thirdwave, I'm not sure how to discuss this too much further with you because we need to define what YOU mean by "perversion". I mean are we talking about somebody who like to be tickled with a feather in bed (a harmless little personal fetish I guess you could say), or are we talking about the man who tops himself because the guy up the road won't let him shag their family dog?
no ..anything that involves the invasion of another living things concent is not a sexual event.... its moves into an attack..... Im talking about sexual conection....
ok lets say a woman likes to be hung upside down whilst having sex....
this is perverted.... is it good of bad?
The first example could be considered within the bounds or normal, while the latter example is definitely a case of an unbalanced individual with an extreme sexual abberation.
well yes because of the poor bloody dog...
this is not caused by perversion though.. but because of a lack of ethics... and respect to other beings..
thetonic
21-12-2007, 01:15 AM
no ..anything that involves the invasion of another living things concent is not a sexual event.... its moves into an attack..... Im talking about sexual conection....
ok lets say a woman likes to be hung upside down whilst having sex....
this is perverted.... is it good of bad?
well yes because of the poor bloody dog...
this is not caused by perversion though.. but because of a lack of ethics... and respect to other beings..
STOP trying to paint things as good or bad / black and white /perverted or non pervert... Here in lies your answer in your question.. Even the NWO serves its purpose.. What would you fight against if it wasnt there?.. Maybe this is the most educational, spiritualy advanced, conscious group of people because they are fighting the NWO and only because they have something to fight against...?
If i was to type the letter "D" in english and a person from a third worlder looked at the letter and said " THat looks like virgin mary giving head!" well that would be their interpretation of the letter "D"... You cant define a perversion, because perversion to you , may not be pervision to me
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 01:32 AM
STOP trying to paint things as good or bad / black and white /perverted or non pervert... Here in lies your answer in your question.. Even the NWO serves its purpose.. What would you fight against if it wasnt there?.. Maybe this is the most educational, spiritualy advanced, conscious group of people because they are fighting the NWO and only because they have something to fight against...?
If i was to type the letter "D" in english and a person from a third worlder looked at the letter and said " THat looks like virgin mary giving head!" well that would be their interpretation of the letter "D"... You cant define a perversion, because perversion to you , may not be pervision to me
ahh but you are basicly saying what I think!! .... this is why I don't think perversion is evil...or infact negative....
its only a mirror of what we feel inside.... an expression.... and it could come from any aspect of our self's... and I feel in many people it is oppressed...
you see, when people talk about "I am me I am Free" ... I think its got to either be true or not...
it seems with some people... the moment you go some place they don't understand.... you are pushed into a pile full of stuff they don't understand which is all held in the same view by them....
I agree with lime that in some cases its due to how life may have damaged a person and created a perversion within them.... but this does not always mean one looks down on them self... and if they do not express them selves sexually then it does not mean there scars will go away.... the chances are they will grow and distort and they will turn into a very unpleasant person...
I have already seen in this thread that there have been 1 or two touchy responses.... which only shows how delicate the subject is.
thetonic
21-12-2007, 01:47 AM
I agree with lime that in some cases its due to how life may have damaged a person and created a perversion within them.... but this does not always mean one looks down on them self... and if they do not express them selves sexually then it does not mean there scars will go away.... the chances are they will grow and distort and they will turn into a very unpleasant person...
I have already seen in this thread that there have been 1 or two touchy responses.... which only shows how delicate the subject is.
Well .. yes.. Once you have been abused or what not, you are essentially , permanantley altered as your subconscious memory will record all of this and may determine certain events and their outcomes in your life.. But that does not mean that they will necessarily destroy you, although many negative experiences do destroy the spirit and the power of the I...
limelady
21-12-2007, 01:51 AM
many perversions impact very badly on loving family relationships, so even though a person is not affecting anybody physically, his/her behaviour may be impacting on the ability of others to enjoy their lives.
Well this may be truen in some cases... but it is not a result of perversion ...its still a case of the indivduals ethics... if these people would rather play dungions than cook there kid his dinner.... then the chances are they would also like to make love without doing so.. as it is simply just stupid people...
it does not mean its the perversion that's making them a bad parent.... if anything it would make them better as when there kids grow up and might be gay.... or into some stuff.... they grow up feeling ok rather than feeling "weird" and a "freak"..... Im not saying you have to be a "freak" to be free..... Im saying any perversion should not be cast our as freakish..... if it still sits within the laws of decent ethics to one another.....
but you only have to call someone a "pervert" and it is viewed as a degrading word.... or unpleasant.... when what it really means is not normal...... which leads us to another question ..what is normal... nothing wrong with being "normal".... only if it is an requirement for society.
I guess as long as all sexual perversions are conducted between fully-consenting adults, and no others (including animals) are hurt menatally, physically or spiritually, in the process, fine.
of course, this goes with out saying for those with ethics... but many do not think like this.... they think the perversion is evil..... the mere act of it.... is evil...and wrong... I think this is an example of how people oppress eachother... and I think many many people grow up ashamed of certain things about them selves when they should not.... weather someone wants to dress up as a girl (that's not my thing BTW :) ) .... or what ever.... it should be treated like Halloween night and all good fun.... why not? expression is fantastic.... and only offensive if someone finds it hard express them selves....
I think we only find it hard because we worry about how others view our actions... when if you imagined you are the other person where the only two people in existence.... and you both had a perversion for something and it was only you two who were judging the situation, then there really would be 0 issue.
After all, if a person choses NOT to deal with their shit (whatever drives their habitual abberant behaviour) then, this is entirely their problem and nobody else's. But generally speaking, people who avoid dealing with their shit.... or won't even make a start on doing any inner-work (nothing to look at here....move along!), tend to end up sad and lonely individuals. This is because others HAVE sorted their shit (whatever it was that kept them associating with abberant individuals for a start), and long since packed up, moved on and left them behind. I have seen examples of this in my own life. Its sad, but in every sense of the word, people reep their own karma. I agree....
I think there have been times in my life I have not done what I have needed two because of the fear of what others think..... looking back now.... just at how life has changed over the last 10 years, I have regrets, and feel I was made to not do what I should have by Society... now I am older and wiser.... and can see through it more.... what is truly dark is clear to see...... and it is not what we have been lead to believe.
But I guess its all learning too.
totaly...dark and good times are all learning..... we are definitely not a perfect race and have issues....
And now that I have said quite enough on this subject, I will bow graciously out of this discussion ....with the added reminder that all I have written is only my own opinion. :)
Chow for now!
which may be the best opinion in the world for all i know :) ..... and always welcome!
*EDITED BY MISTAKE, TW*
those quotes were also at a time where sex was very repressed...
yet they still hold a ring of truth
i have just voted yes, mainly because i think the question is implied from society's view on what sexual wants are
tinmenace
21-12-2007, 12:27 PM
I also think the question is loaded because it all depends on whether or not the person sees their own behavior as perverted. If it's not perverted to them, then I would assume they'd answer "no". It's a matter of perspective.
I'm sure to someone who has been raised in an ultra conservative household with rigid rules and caps on thinking, might believe that using toys during sex is perverted. I don't think it's perverted.
It's all perspective.
But I'm very curious to know why you started this thread TW? Sorry if I missed it earlier.
Anders Lindman
21-12-2007, 12:30 PM
Society has needed to suppress sexuality, because according to society sex should only be used to make babies. Society has no use for sex other than that unless it's about business. That creates a kind of lid on what is considered non-pervert. Sex for making babies = non-pervert. All other forms of sex = perversion.
Ken Wilber has an interesting description with sex on different levels corresponding to different chakras in the body. The second chakra is related to ordinary sex with dicks and pussies. The first chakra is related to oral or anal sex. The porn on the Internet is mostly about cock sucking, about 90% of all porn on the Internet is about cock sucking. That means that for the male that is the second chakra, and for the female the first chakra (oral). That maybe has something to do with portraying male dominance over the female, I don't know. :o
Ken Wilber - Erogenous Zones of Life, Light, and Emptiness - YouTube
what you do sexually by yourself or with consenting adults in privacy or in acceptable places, as long nobody gets hurt or abused has fuck all to do with anybody else,better have enjoyed and share life and its pleasures than to remark and judge others.
salina
21-12-2007, 12:55 PM
what do you see as the boundaries till you become perverse?
what do you see as the boundaries till you become perverse?
I think you know when to stop,when it does not feel right,or it is passed pleasure and is just sick and based on abuse.people have safe words and stuff so you don`t get carried away in the moment and work out whats acceptable and pleasurable before hand, best to be open and know your partner well.
saying that can be nice getting to know somebody new,learning how to push each others buttons,new sensations ect....
mountain
21-12-2007, 01:26 PM
Sex is something that I believe to be extraordinary, wondrous when performed with the best intentions for both participants, for pleasure, for love. Various sex acts such as menage trois and public places I think is perfectly fine as long as no one is hurt. Sex should be avoided when attempted to manipulate someone.
Any forced sex, copulation with animals and children I consider highly undecent and unbalanced, obviously the manipulation of extreme negativity.
Common sense. It is vital to control thoughts during sex, two acts of simultaneous creation can be deadly!
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 01:26 PM
Hey Lime...
Sorry I was rushing and I edited your post rather than quoting it by mistake.... sorry!!! :o ....I keep bloody doing that!!!
its still all there ..but please look at it for my reply...within your post! :eek:
tinmenace
21-12-2007, 01:31 PM
Sex should be avoided when attempted to manipulate someone.
Any forced sex, copulation with animals and children I consider highly undecent and unbalanced, obviously the manipulation of extreme negativity.
Great post!
limelady
21-12-2007, 01:52 PM
Hey Lime...
Sorry I was rushing and I edited your post rather than quoting it by mistake.... sorry!!! :o ....I keep bloody doing that!!!
its still all there ..but please look at it for my reply...within your post! :eek:
Don't worry......I'm a part-time dominatrix, and I'll be bringing my gear with me to the UK when I visit next year, so I'm sure we can find SOME way of making you very, very sorry you messed with my post! ;)
Don't worry......I'm a part-time dominatrix, and I'll be bringing my gear with me to the UK when I visit next year, so I'm sure we can find SOME way of making you very, very sorry you messed with my post! ;)
ROFLMFAO :D
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 02:04 PM
i have just voted yes, mainly because i think the question is implied from society's view on what sexual wants are
I voted yes... because the thought of acts outside of sexual intercourse excite me ..... I am a creative person and love expression ...... I would like to think through my life I will enjoy expressing my self and helping others too!
there are also some things I see people do that make me think "eewwww that is sick" or "jeees how can he/she do that" ...but hey.... let them do their thing...... its not evil... just something I don't understand, and am happy not to understand it and allow them to....
Evil requires a lack of good ethics and values.... this is a separate issue and religions often link the two together with no evidence or proof that sexual "perversion" is or leads to evil.
Don't worry......I'm a part-time dominatrix, and I'll be bringing my gear with me to the UK when I visit next year, so I'm sure we can find SOME way of making you very, very sorry you messed with my post!
limelady you will only encourage him:D
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Don't worry......I'm a part-time dominatrix, and I'll be bringing my gear with me to the UK when I visit next year, so I'm sure we can find SOME way of making you very, very sorry you messed with my post! ;)
ahhh see, I knew it was in there somewhere!!!
when you come over you are nuit can do twos on me LOL
Although I think i better clear something up and say my bark does tend to be louder than my bite! :p
hey how do i get brought into things when dominatrix is mentioned lol
limelady
21-12-2007, 02:19 PM
hey how do i get brought into things when dominatrix is mentioned lol
Perhaps he fancies a dam good saddle soaping? :D
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 02:49 PM
ok, getting nervous now :D
limelady
21-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm outta here.......I'll try stage right this time! :p
on the road
21-12-2007, 03:26 PM
I voted no as I dont class myself as a sex case or a perv.
nice to meet all you pervs though ,it take all kinds :)
thirdwave
21-12-2007, 03:36 PM
nervous? or excited? lol
Nervous!! lol
revolutionary_jam
21-12-2007, 10:54 PM
if you deny it you probably are more so :-P our culture encourages sexual perversion by making taboos out of sexuality which is a natural part of our current state of evolution
h1s_l0rdsh1p
21-12-2007, 11:11 PM
Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people.
Aleister Crowley
Part of the public horror of sexual irregularity so-called is due to the fact that everyone knows himself essentially guilty.
Aleister Crowley
:)
octopusrex
22-12-2007, 12:49 AM
I did mention Crowley grinds ya?
on the road
22-12-2007, 03:00 AM
if you deny it you probably are more so :-P our culture encourages sexual perversion by making taboos out of sexuality which is a natural part of our current state of evolution
oh sigmund your so right :o
de_shit
22-12-2007, 04:49 AM
Who doesn't have a strange fetish or sexual like?
on the road
22-12-2007, 04:56 AM
Who doesn't have a strange fetish or sexual like?
PERVERT ALARMlol
de_shit
22-12-2007, 05:09 AM
I like older women, is that wrong? Am I a perve? Not to me, but to others, yes. I only like hot older women, not the wrinkly sacks of shit that infest this world. Yes there are a lot of hot chicks that are in there late 30s, or so my huge collection of porn sites say.
on the road
22-12-2007, 05:14 AM
I like older women, is that wrong? Am I a perve? Not to me, but to others, yes. I only like hot older women, not the wrinkly sacks of shit that infest this world. Yes there are a lot of hot chicks that are in there late 30s, or so my huge collection of porn sites say.
wrinkly sacks of shit that infest this world ?
Your a WRONG UN !
friendsinthesky
22-12-2007, 08:20 AM
Excluding myself 'ofcourse' I wonder how many perverts have read and contributed to this thread created by thirdwave. (the mind is b o g g l i n g)
kweli
22-12-2007, 08:50 AM
ok, getting nervous now :D
Do we have to put up with this cringeworthy flirting in nearly every thread? Come on guy's, can't you just do all this crap via PM? It's making this forum look a joke!
why are you so hellbent on pulling tw to pieces you are coming across as a forum bully now, and that is not right as i find you are pretty decent to say the least, please i urge you to just look through your latest comments directed at tw with an open mind, i am sure you will see what i mean
allure
22-12-2007, 11:30 AM
i consider myself straight yet i have a fettish for rediculously good looking transexuals.
thirdwave
22-12-2007, 01:14 PM
i consider myself straight yet i have a fettish for rediculously good looking transexuals.
LOL
there was one time I went to this club i go to with my mate.... we were both really drunk... and i went up to this "girl" and was telling her how "wonderfull her bottom was".... and that "she" should be on TV ,,so on... lol
"she" and this other girl i know down there were laughing lots and I thought it was because of how drunk i was.....
the next day i found out she is a he!! lol
I have not commented on her... i mean his...bum again, but I see him down there allot and I'm actually surprised at the amount of guys who just take the ignorance is bliss method! lol
garth
22-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Funny thread TW:D
Speaking of perversions, I read of a case where a guy couldn't get his "plane to take off" unless he had an old used tennis shoe on his nose and further more to get his "plane to deliver it's payload" he had to have another tennis shoe over the "planes fuselage" so to speak. IMO this would be a perversion:eek:
is fetish the same as perversion?
i have a fetish for smells but not the kind that would make it a perversion....i do not think :confused:
on the road
22-12-2007, 01:23 PM
i have a fetish for smells but not the kind that would make it a perversion....i do not think :confused:
WTF?! LOL
:confused: :)
garth
22-12-2007, 01:47 PM
is fetish the same as perversion?
a fetish is using a feather, perversion is using the whole chicken:eek:
pri01
22-12-2007, 01:47 PM
You have a good point Nuit after all let's not forget that we are after all mammals.
i have a fetish for smells but not the kind that would make it a perversion....i do not think :confused:
Smell is a powerful thing i love smells but in lots of contexts food especially but this can also relate to sex as well has anyone seen the japanese movie Tampopo worth a watch very erotic movie .
We are confusing kinks fetishes and eroticism here all of which can be seen as perversions to less enlightened people .Sexuality is a complexsubject and one which we are still in the process of working out for ourselves .I think if we are willing enough to test our boundries we can learn a lot about ourselves and in the process release a lot of negativity we have stored over the years.Anything that allows us to grow and become more than we are is a good thing and hopefully in the process we can leave things behind , maybe its when it becomes obsession thats when it can become dangerous .Some dictionary definations
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Perversion
1. the act of perverting.
2. the state of being perverted.
3. a perverted form of something.
4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.
5. Pathology. a change to what is unnatural or abnormal: a perversion of function or structure.
A sexual practice or act considered abnormal or deviant.
Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
perversion
1388, "action of turning aside from truth, corruption, distortion" (originally of religious beliefs), from pervert (v.) (q.v.). Psychological sense of "disorder of sexual behavior in which satisfaction is sought through channels other than those of normal heterosexual intercourse" is from 1892, originally including homosexuality.
"Perversions are defined as unnatural acts, acts contrary to nature, bestial, abominable, and detestable. Such laws are interpretable only in accordance with the ancient tradition of the English common law which ... is committed to the doctrine that no sexual activity is justifiable unless its objective is procreation." [A.C. Kinsey, et.al., "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," 1948]
WordNet - Cite This Source - Share This perversion
noun
1. a curve that reverses the direction of something; "the tendrils of the plant exhibited perversion"; "perversion also shows up in kinky telephone cords" LMAO does this mean phone sex or a little bondage session ! :D
2. an aberrant sexual practice;
3. the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
thirdwave
22-12-2007, 02:53 PM
Funny thread TW:D
Speaking of perversions, I read of a case where a guy couldn't get his "plane to take off" unless he had an old used tennis shoe on his nose and further more to get his "plane to deliver it's payload" he had to have another tennis shoe over the "planes fuselage" so to speak. IMO this would be a perversion:eek:
lol, all shapes and sizes!
thirdwave
22-12-2007, 02:59 PM
is fetish the same as perversion?
i would say so ... just a focused one... its still a desire outside of just making love...
this what i mean... who is to say when a perversion is to far if for the people involved it is fine?
i think over the years the church has made all these fetishes and stuff evil like.... but when you really think about it its not...
even if you look at some thing like that shoe sniffing that garth said... we can say eewww why does he like that?.. fair enough we don't understand it or enjoy it.. but he does.. ... but many religious people would out cast that and lable him as "perverted" and there for under the control of Satan...
I think that is a hoax.
when you are on the receiving end of being cast out because of stuff like this I think people would feel the same having racial abuse...
i would say so ... just a focused one... its still a desire outside of just making love...
i disagree
thirdwave
22-12-2007, 05:23 PM
i disagree
ok, so say if you have an elbow fetish .... this has nothing to do with creating children or intercourse... its to do with being aroused sexually.... and if you were to have sex with someone and then feel the need to go to work on their elbow then that would be viewed as a perversion :)
no that would be just plain wierd, btw why did you choose elbows hmmmmmm
thirdwave
22-12-2007, 05:58 PM
no that would be just plain wierd, btw why did you choose elbows hmmmmmm
just an example.... :)
ear lobes maybe..? ... or noses? :)
i like to stay mysterious personally ;)
revolutionary_jam
22-12-2007, 07:09 PM
oh sigmund your so right :o
hahaha yes, full of insight :)
lottie
22-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Thought i'd get some quotes from the dictionary regarding perversion to see what 'society' says is perversion.....
perversion
1388, "action of turning aside from truth, corruption, distortion" (originally of religious beliefs), from pervert (v.) (q.v.). Psychological sense of "disorder of sexual behavior in which satisfaction is sought through channels other than those of normal heterosexual intercourse" is from 1892, originally including homosexuality.
"Perversions are defined as unnatural acts, acts contrary to nature, bestial, abominable, and detestable. Such laws are interpretable only in accordance with the ancient tradition of the English common law which ... is committed to the doctrine that no sexual activity is justifiable unless its objective is procreation." [A.C. Kinsey, et.al., "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," 1948]
per·ver·sion /pərˈvɜrʒən, -ʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[per-vur-zhuhn, -shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the act of perverting.
2. the state of being perverted.
3. a perverted form of something.
4. any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.
5. Pathology. a change to what is unnatural or abnormal: a perversion of function or structure.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Origin: 1350–1400; ME < L perversiōn- (s. of perversiō). See perverse, -ion]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
de_shit
22-12-2007, 11:43 PM
Come on everyone, state your perversion. Join the bandwagon.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5466/poopbandwagonnd5.gif
de_shit
23-12-2007, 12:14 AM
No ones joining the bandwagon?http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8954/rocksni6.jpgI dont know where I got this picture from, but I know some dudes jack off to it. Not me though.
Anders Lindman
23-12-2007, 12:47 AM
The biggest perverts are those who celebrate Christmas with family and relatives. That's social inbreeding! No wonder why humanity is in such a pathetic social condition. :mad:
woghd
23-12-2007, 02:28 AM
I don't consider myself sexually "perverted", I think "depraved" is a better word.
Archangel
on the road
23-12-2007, 03:21 AM
I don't consider myself sexually "perverted", I think "depraved" is a better word.
Archangel
LOL
aznality
23-12-2007, 03:24 AM
I would say 'yes', since 12 years of age. >=)
thirdwave
23-12-2007, 03:39 AM
I don't consider myself sexually "perverted", I think "depraved" is a better word.
Archangel
IMO that is a very good answer!
octopusrex
23-12-2007, 03:46 AM
Before eating Peyote, the Huixoles have to CONFESS all their sexual misadventures in front of the tribe.
de_shit
23-12-2007, 04:34 AM
Before eating Peyote, the Huixoles have to CONFESS all their sexual misadventures in front of the tribe.
Bad ass.
Anders Lindman
23-12-2007, 09:08 AM
The biggest perverts are those who celebrate Christmas with family and relatives. That's social inbreeding! No wonder why humanity is in such a pathetic social condition. :mad:
My idea with this very politically incorrect :D statement was that we have close personal relationships with only family and a few friends. That means that 99.999999% of all people are more or less strangers to us! I would call that a very primitive society.
helloperator
23-12-2007, 09:14 AM
I make George Costanza look like a god
nickatnoon61
24-12-2007, 02:49 AM
but there are some people who have commit suicide for not fulfilling there sexuality and desires...
Sex does have everything to do with ego yes.... but I don't think ego is bad or a problem ... our ego is what makes us beings.... its when it is to hungry that it can become evil..or a problem.
I think many people have more of an ego problem for not fulfilling there sexual desires...
Im not saying I'm some kind of sex doctor here or that I go an orgy once a week!! :)
Its just been something I have thought about a bit recently...
We are bombarded with sexual images on a daily basis. This lowers us to where we can be controlled easier. The dark ones want to compromise everyone down to their levels. It is our choice where we want to reside, but it takes willpower and some virtue.
nickatnoon61
24-12-2007, 02:50 AM
I make George Costanza look like a god
R U balder and quirkier??? ha ha
octopusrex
24-12-2007, 03:02 AM
In 39 years, I have only had sex with 15 women. I got the list.
Looking always for No. 16.
ahhh... of the same species, that is!
hey I never had sex for a long time, but when I reached the age of 16 there was no stopping me:D....well until I got married:( but now I am divorced so fuck it:D
ennui
24-12-2007, 02:03 PM
Everyone is sexual. You're only sexually perverted if you do something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of people. What is acceptable changes over time, between generations. What is considered perverted today may be the norm in 50 years time.
The only thing I really have a problem with is consent. All participants should consent. Children are not capable of making that decision.
thirdwave
24-12-2007, 02:09 PM
it seems less than half of the people in this forum are "normal" :)
weirdos! :)
ennui
24-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Normality is overrated.
on the road
24-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Everyone is sexual. You're only sexually perverted if you do something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of people. What is acceptable changes over time, between generations. What is considered perverted today may be the norm in 50 years time.
The only thing I really have a problem with is consent. All participants should consent. Children are not capable of making that decision.
take the MP's,they (the bent ones) wanted the age of gay sex consent lowered from 18 to 16. a grown man shagging a 16 year old boy up his bum is in my eyes fucking perverted.lets go forward 50 years ,maybe they will lower it again ,say 14 or 12 or maybe 10 .
wrong uns the fucking lot of em !
thirdwave
24-12-2007, 04:53 PM
We are bombarded with sexual images on a daily basis. This lowers us to where we can be controlled easier. The dark ones want to compromise everyone down to their levels. It is our choice where we want to reside, but it takes willpower and some virtue.
as quoted from Bill Hicks...
"The erection created porn.... porn didn't create the erection."
I think most perversions have come about due to the walls and restrictions society builds around us.... its that that makes us perverted.... although there is no doubt we can be manipulated by sex.... look at "girls allowed"... but again its due to desires we have been held down.
thirdwave
24-12-2007, 04:57 PM
Everyone is sexual. You're only sexually perverted if you do something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of people. What is acceptable changes over time, between generations. What is considered perverted today may be the norm in 50 years time.
The only thing I really have a problem with is consent. All participants should consent. Children are not capable of making that decision.
this would then move into a perversion of ethics...
To think ones sexuality is more important than the life of another is also a perversion of ethics... or a complete miss understanding of ethics..
kweli
24-12-2007, 07:32 PM
take the MP's,they (the bent ones) wanted the age of gay sex consent lowered from 18 to 16. a grown man shagging a 16 year old boy up his bum is in my eyes fucking perverted.lets go forward 50 years ,maybe they will lower it again ,say 14 or 12 or maybe 10 .
wrong uns the fucking lot of em !
I hear you bro
nickatnoon61
24-12-2007, 08:31 PM
take the MP's,they (the bent ones) wanted the age of gay sex consent lowered from 18 to 16. a grown man shagging a 16 year old boy up his bum is in my eyes fucking perverted.lets go forward 50 years ,maybe they will lower it again ,say 14 or 12 or maybe 10 .
wrong uns the fucking lot of em !
OTR, you have no idea how "bent" these mfers are!!!!
misscpb
25-12-2007, 01:42 AM
Some people may think that a grown man doing the same to a girl aged 16 is like that. It is already the legal age in the UK for sex.
Some men seem to find it very arousing for a woman to take it in the rear or two women together. Yet when the idea or though of two men doing the same arises, a lot of men find it disgusting.
I really don't know why. To me love is love no matter whether its gay or straight as long as its within the legal age of people.
on the road
25-12-2007, 02:21 AM
Some people may think that a grown man doing the same to a girl aged 16 is like that. It is already the legal age in the UK for sex.
Your spot on !
There IS something very wrong with a grown man going with a 16 yo girl.
All that 'old enough to be her dad/grandad' lark is shady as fuck.
Some men seem to find it very arousing for a woman to take it in the rear or two women together.Yet when the idea or though of two men doing the same arises, a lot of men find it disgusting.
some women do too.
I really don't know why. To me love is love no matter whether its gay or straight as long as its within the legal age of people.
love is love gay or straight ill give you that.
and the legal age ,well that depends on what the age actually is.I mean could they possibly lower it further ?
cant be arsed with this thread anymore :)
thirdwave
25-12-2007, 02:43 AM
ok im open minded ...dont get me wrong...
but for me...
if two women are together its like to bits of cotton wool pressing against eachother.... no problem...
but when two guys go for it... its like to bricks hitting eachother and that's why i view it differently...
that being said... everyone to their own...
its just for me it seem more easy for two women to be together than it is two guys...
aznality
27-12-2007, 11:28 AM
^It sounds like you are picturing woman on top of woman, and man on top of man.
Or in plain words, sex. :D
friendsinthesky
27-12-2007, 11:32 AM
A sexual perversion thread in the general section BUT wait, there's more ~~ it's into the 12th page, in the general section of a David Icke Forum and created by a moderator.
Go figure!
thirdwave
27-12-2007, 12:45 PM
A sexual perversion thread in the general section BUT wait, there's more ~~ it's into the 12th page, in the general section of a David Icke Forum and created by a moderator.
Go figure!
ahhh should there be a Law against things like this ? :rolleyes:
joyful
27-12-2007, 12:51 PM
Me and my girlfriend were playing Wii Sports last night. It's was alright, it's just the mopping up.
friendsinthesky
27-12-2007, 01:12 PM
^:D^
bennett211085
27-12-2007, 08:01 PM
I prefer scat myself.
on the road
27-12-2007, 08:32 PM
I prefer scat myself.
you like the brown stuff ? lol
alarm !
octopusrex
28-12-2007, 12:09 AM
Just look at Mohammed. Married Aisha.
Give us a break, you moral do-gooders. What would you have us do? Resist our own natures?
I live in Latin America, not the UK. Normal age for most girls to get shagged is around.. 14.
nickatnoon61
01-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Just look at Mohammed. Married Aisha.
Give us a break, you moral do-gooders. What would you have us do? Resist our own natures?
I live in Latin America, not the UK. Normal age for most girls to get shagged is around.. 14.Thanx OctoPussy...:D
Guess what, guys and gals? When a female reaches puberty/menustrating she is ready to have sex. Good ol' Mother Nature must be a sick pervert now,eh? Age has no bearing on this. SIMPLE,eh? What is distressing is that almost all of western woman are still BABIES, and very un-prepared for motherhood, well into their 20s and beyond! And most have no idea what love is, in their whole lives! Now whose fault is that? :confused:
cruise4
01-01-2008, 02:35 PM
"Speaking of perversions, I read of a case where a guy couldn't get his "plane to take off" unless he had an old used tennis shoe on his nose and further more to get his "plane to deliver it's payload" he had to have another tennis shoe over the "planes fuselage" so to speak. IMO this would be a perversion"
So thats how Bush did it !
octopusrex
01-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Yer welcome.
I never try to second-guess Mother Nature.
She's a tough old bitch.
Maybe so many western women who don't have babies until they're 35 has to do a bit with the decline of white people in Europe?
truthcommission
01-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Everything should be permitted between consenting ADULTS.
Consent is KEY. I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.
octopusrex
01-01-2008, 09:57 PM
I know 9 year olds who are more adult than some 40 year olds.
I know 40 year olds who are more childish than 6 year olds.
steevo
01-01-2008, 10:05 PM
I know 9 year olds who are more adult than some 40 year olds.
I know 40 year olds who are more childish than 6 year olds.
So do you think there should be an age of consent ? If so what should be the minimum ?
nickatnoon61
01-01-2008, 10:26 PM
I know 9 year olds who are more adult than some 40 year olds.
I know 40 year olds who are more childish than 6 year olds.
EXACTLY OP!!!! SOME PEOPLE NEED TO BE TOLD what to do. They need laws to be passed to guide them through their lives. They look for the same thing in a relationship. These are the ones I DO NOT need in my life! I will think with my BIG head....not the little one! :)
truthcommission
01-01-2008, 10:28 PM
I have children and can tell you that children are sexual beings. Of course stating this fact is opening myself to knee jerk reactions and all sorts of accusations. Children as young as two start to experiment with their bodies and what is the reaction they receive from 'adults'? They are told to stop and that it is dirty and disgusting. What an introduction to sex.
But the same hypocritical parents have no problem dumping them in front of commercial TV for hours on end and exposed to all sorts of sexual imagery (devoid of real emotion or meaning) and expect them to have a balanced view of sex at the end of it all. On top of that young girls are being sexualized as young as 6 and 7. They even have lingerie for prepubescent girls in some stores and we wonder why pedophilia is on the increase.
truthcommission
01-01-2008, 11:08 PM
So do you think there should be an age of consent ? If so what should be the minimum ?
Steevo I have contemplated this for a long time. I lost my virginity at 13. I don't think I was ready because I clearly recall that during the act I snarfled like a naughty schoolboy.
I try to teach my children that sexual intercourse is a very sacred and intimate act which is an expression of love between grown ups. Society is addicted to a completely false image of sex which is shoved in our faces daily via the 'boob tube' and adverts.
Children as young as 12 are pressured into having sex by their friends because they are brainwashed by this very same media by the false glamour and desirability of 'Hollywood' sex.
tejas
02-01-2008, 01:33 AM
Some people may think that a grown man doing the same to a girl aged 16 is like that. It is already the legal age in the UK for sex.
Some men seem to find it very arousing for a woman to take it in the rear or two women together. Yet when the idea or though of two men doing the same arises, a lot of men find it disgusting.
I really don't know why. To me love is love no matter whether its gay or straight as long as its within the legal age of people.
I think this has something to do with ying yang energies, female energies can blend quite easily whereas male energies are always apposed.
Think about it, when close female friends get together there is constant hugging, touching and much contact between them.
With men the closest thing is a punch on the arm.
if two women are together its like to bits of cotton wool pressing against eachother.... no problem...
but when two guys go for it... its like to bricks hitting eachother and that's why i view it differently...
exactly!
mountain
20-06-2008, 12:14 AM
Steevo I have contemplated this for a long time. I lost my virginity at 13. I don't think I was ready because I clearly recall that during the act I snarfled like a naughty schoolboy.
I try to teach my children that sexual intercourse is a very sacred and intimate act which is an expression of love between grown ups. Society is addicted to a completely false image of sex which is shoved in our faces daily via the 'boob tube' and adverts.
Children as young as 12 are pressured into having sex by their friends because they are brainwashed by this very same media by the false glamour and desirability of 'Hollywood' sex.
Yes, that is so true. My parents have instilled in me the same....my mother's exact words..."Your body is a temple for your soul. Be sure anyone you share yourself with respects this, knows this."
Sex at its best is when there is a relationship with two people, not just some random temporary encounter, but a more lasting union balanced with all the essentials; affection, fidelity, amity and love. When you have all these with one another, any sex act can be "normal".