Channeling???

[alice1111]

I would love to here your opinions on this subject of channeling. I don't care whether you are for or against. I am asking for your honest opinions.
My opinion: I simply don't know what to think. I know the concept of creating your own reality and taking responsibility for yourself appear to be insightful and yet there are so many uneasy feelings here. Any answers would be truly appreciated.

Love,

Alice

[paganus]

i know someone who channels.its given some very useful information!

[clipwip]

Some of it is very legit, IMO.

Check out:

"The Law of One" (The Ra Material) by Ruckert, Evans, and McCarty 1981-2: http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.htm

"The Wave (Series)" (5 books) by Laura Knight-Jadcyk (sp?): http://www.cassiopaea.org/

[octopusrex]

All great artists are "channels".

[misscpb]

I believe in channelling whether its mediumship with a person or animal who has passed away, or with another being.

[alice1111]

I want to thank you people for replying. I truly appreciate it and take it all in. This is a subject that has been swirling around in my mind for sometime. I've heard the pro's and con's and have learned to think for myself, but nothing wrong with confirmation from other selves. As I said before, doesn't matter if you are fur or agin, I just love hearing your opinions. I have read many channeling books, and some seem very in line with my thinking while with some, I wonder, but never-the less, I love hearing your opinions.

And octopusex, being of an artistic nature myself, I can tell when the energy is flowing or not so I do understand you.

Thank you,

Alice:)

[serpentoffire]

I would love to here your opinions on this subject of channeling. I don't care whether you are for or against. I am asking for your honest opinions.
My opinion: I simply don't know what to think. I know the concept of creating your own reality and taking responsibility for yourself appear to be insightful and yet there are so many uneasy feelings here. Any answers would be truly appreciated.

Love,

Alice

Alice
during the channeling you allow one or multiple spirits to use your body as a channel between the supernatural world and this plane of reality.
The result of this activity is that you'll be slave of spirits.
A very dangerous activity like shamanism.
Regards

[paganus]

Alice
during the channeling you allow one or multiple spirits to use your body as a channel between the supernatural world and this plane of reality.
The result of this activity is that you'll be slave of spirits.
A very dangerous activity like shamanism.
Regardsrubbish! the spirits are there to help us! how do you think we here know what we know?

[serpentoffire]

rubbish! the spirits are there to help us! how do you think we here know what we know?

I have direct experience on this argument, please believe me.
Only God can help us. Spirits (reptilians) use humans to control and infect other humans.

Please take a look to this post:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217845&postcount=1

[paganus]

I have direct experience on this argument, please believe me.
Only God can help us. Spirits (reptilians) use humans to control and infect other humans.

Please take a look to this post:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217845&postcount=1
not! there are many gods not one!

[serpentoffire]

not! there are many gods not one!

There is only a God, others are spirits and demons that want to be worshiped as God.

[paganus]

There is only a God, others are spirits and demons that want to be worshiped as God.i strongley disagree! had channeled messages from other gods goddesess and have helped tremendously! 'by a trees fruits so shall you know it'

[serpentoffire]

i strongley disagree! had channeled messages from other gods goddesess and have helped tremendously! 'by a trees fruits so shall you know it'

spirits send you false messages, false visions, false ideas.
They talk directly in your mind to divert you and the persons closed to you far from God. Yes, they are able to make miracles, but the target is to enslave humans.

[paganus]

spirits send you false messages, false visions, false ideas.
They talk directly in your mind to divert you and the persons closed to you far from God. Yes, they are able to make miracles, but the target is to enslave humans.not to be insulting,but you sound enslaved!

[serpentoffire]

not to be insulting,but you sound enslaved!

I'm recently freed.

[paganus]

I'm recently freed.ok then.i wont dispute your feelings.we stand together dont we?

[misscpb]

I am proud to be a spirit which is housed in my physical body for my life on earth this time around. And my soul is the eternal record of everything I have done. ;)

[paganus]

I am proud to be a spirit which is housed in my physical body for my life on earth this time around. And my soul is the eternal record of everything I have done. ;)i'll second that!

[paganus]

spirits send you false messages, false visions, false ideas.
They talk directly in your mind to divert you and the persons closed to you far from God. Yes, they are able to make miracles, but the target is to enslave humans.have you ever tried channeling?

[amadeus]

Check out also Kryon. (http://www.kryon.com/)

I found the first book by "Kryon" interesting. I haven't read the follow ups, but after reading the website and especially THIS (http://kryon.com/k_62.html) "channeling" at the UN, I feel that the message/channel has been corrupted. See also the other UN channelings for pretty interesting stuff, e.g. Kryon saying that The Illuminati is going to cure AIDS in Africa...! (http://www.kryon.com/k_57.html)

Well...I don't know what to make of Kryon, somehow it doesn't feel genuine. I find the Cassiopeian experiment by Laura Knight-J. much more interesting and trustworthy. Reading the transcripts, which you can find online HERE (http://perceval.netfirms.com/sessions/sessions.htm) is amazing and truly hair raising stuff! Remember that these sessions where started in 1994 and their talking about things like "The Lizzies in the 4th dimension" - hmmm....that sounds familiar ;)

I'll ave to check into the The Wave-series books...has anyone here read them?

[neutron flux]

Some of it is very legit, IMO.

Check out:

"The Law of One" (The Ra Material) by Ruckert, Evans, and McCarty 1981-2: http://www.llresearch.org/library/th...of_one_pdf.htm

"The Wave (Series)" (5 books) by Laura Knight-Jadcyk (sp?): http://www.cassiopaea.org/


I'd have to agree and add some of Bringers of the Dawn into the mix. Only the first book though.

I'll ave to check into the The Wave-series books...has anyone here read them?

The online version of the wave series is on the site: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/waveindex.htm

And the adventures series:
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/adventureindex.htm

Cracking good reads!

[drael]

There are some amazing channels. Done right, its perfectly safe, there are plenty of established protections against evil entities. Ideally ones gaurdians or higher spirits/angels provide one with information to share with humanity. I channel occasionally, although ive much to learn. I would say that the most useful information is that from divinity itself, or higher dimensional entities, rather than spirits..

The law of one is excellent.

[serpentoffire]

have you ever tried channeling?

I don't need. I have direct and phisical contact with spirits.
Keep them away from your body.
There is nothing to be proud in demoniac possession.

[serpentoffire]

There are some amazing channels. Done right, its perfectly safe, there are plenty of established protections against evil entities. Ideally ones gaurdians or higher spirits/angels provide one with information to share with humanity. I channel occasionally, although ive much to learn. I would say that the most useful information is that from divinity itself, or higher dimensional entities, rather than spirits..

The law of one is excellent.

Guardians angels or guide spirits are evil entities.
They work to deceive you.
Only Jesus saves.

[alice1111]

I want to thank you again for ALL your replies. I appreciate all of your thoughts on this subject. I hope that no one gets offended if I say Yay or Nay to any of the posts for as I said, I'm am interested in hearing as many opinions as possible.

Thanks again,

Alice:)

[chicken]

Try reading about Madame Blavatsky and her ideas - she was into channeling and spiritualism? The inventor of the new age and this is where freemasonry stems from. Complicated one this - consider parapsychology and neuropsychology combined. AND then this equals a case of mind control. In the 70's this concept of channeling was on the way to being perfected. Then came along fMRI scanners a EEG machines and TMS machines. "Chipping" the human and using their electrochemical system to some use.

Carl Pribham and happy band of workers looked at the concept of "new age" thought and technology combined calling it parapsychology. The new technology or science was a revisit of "spiritualism" but in a more updated way.

What do we get from here? Invasive mind reading. Isn't that channeling but the other way around? Its proven to exist - read the New Scientist and NASA info and the rest about altering consciousness - All things can be used for good and bad.

Many people who have an awakening - are being invaded without permission. Some call it spirits or demons. I have read masses around this subject from June onwards - 14 hours a day. Alright a bit obsessive - but I wanted to get it. Its all out there for the taking in terms of info

chicken

[drael]

Guardians angels or guide spirits are evil entities.
They work to deceive you.
Only Jesus saves.

Okay, but i dont beleive in christianity, never will. Jesus was a good example though, and some of the bible is interesting...

Your entitled to your opinion of course. Personally i dont need saving from anything. I dont beleive in hell, i dont beleive in the devil, and whats more i am a good person who lives a good life. Its pretty clear in the bible ive got more chance of getting into heaven than all the sinners that go to church - if heaven existed!

PS ive never got this, why cant you just have a personal relationship with god, why do you need jesus? it seems odd that only people who worship him can get into heaven. I mean why?

Really, what about all those places where they have never heard of jesus? oops they go to hell. An innocent child, but non-christian parents (never been baptised) - hell. Then different demoninations tell you, if you dont follow their cult, you end up in hell.

And then you have the muslims saying if you dont worship mohammed or whatever, you go to hell....

Theres gonna be alot of people in hell (probably everyone).

And then if you follow occultism, your being possessed by demons, or worshipping satan

Is there anything some story about something people are afraid of wont do for christianity? Personally im not scared of demons, nor hell, nor the devil. For people like me, you guys are going to have to invent something scarier than a hot place and red guy with horns...

[asentinel]

Check out also Kryon. (http://www.kryon.com/)

I found the first book by "Kryon" interesting. I haven't read the follow ups, but after reading the website and especially THIS (http://kryon.com/k_62.html) "channeling" at the UN, I feel that the message/channel has been corrupted. See also the other UN channelings for pretty interesting stuff, e.g. Kryon saying that The Illuminati is going to cure AIDS in Africa...! (http://www.kryon.com/k_57.html)

Well...I don't know what to make of Kryon, somehow it doesn't feel genuine. I find the Cassiopeian experiment by Laura Knight-J. much more interesting and trustworthy. Reading the transcripts, which you can find online HERE (http://perceval.netfirms.com/sessions/sessions.htm) is amazing and truly hair raising stuff! Remember that these sessions where started in 1994 and their talking about things like "The Lizzies in the 4th dimension" - hmmm....that sounds familiar ;)

I'll ave to check into the The Wave-series books...has anyone here read them?

What about channeling, yourself. Tell the "others" to get out of the way?

It doesnt sound "phenomena" based or dramatic, but maybe it will be healthier?

Does one need to have the authority of a non-present being or entity to be valid? Are we all so star struck, like we cannot get by without our fix of gossip or latest news on stars??

Are we so bored with ourselves that we don't want to take responsibility? or accept the ordinariness of ourselves.?

Are you not enough???

;)

[serpentoffire]

Okay, but i dont beleive in christianity, never will. Jesus was a good example though, and some of the bible is interesting...

Your entitled to your opinion of course. Personally i dont need saving from anything. I dont beleive in hell, i dont beleive in the devil, and whats more i am a good person who lives a good life. Its pretty clear in the bible ive got more chance of getting into heaven than all the sinners that go to church - if heaven existed!

PS ive never got this, why cant you just have a personal relationship with god, why do you need jesus? it seems odd that only people who worship him can get into heaven. I mean why?

Really, what about all those places where they have never heard of jesus? oops they go to hell. An innocent child, but non-christian parents (never been baptised) - hell. Then different demoninations tell you, if you dont follow their cult, you end up in hell.

And then you have the muslims saying if you dont worship mohammed or whatever, you go to hell....

Theres gonna be alot of people in hell (probably everyone).

And then if you follow occultism, your being possessed by demons, or worshipping satan

Is there anything some story about something people are afraid of wont do for christianity? Personally im not scared of demons, nor hell, nor the devil. For people like me, you guys are going to have to invent something scarier than a hot place and red guy with horns...

You can do what you want with your body and your soul. It is only a your choiche. I talk about my personal experience about supernatural world not to scare nobody but to warn about the interaction with entities that spend their time to deceive, control and suck human energies. This warning is valid for everybody, also for who don't believe in Jesus.
Even in my personal experience I found the freedom from spirits requesting his help because nothing else worked. And in this, there isn't any provocation for any other religions.

[drael]

I talk about my personal experience about supernatural world not to scare nobody but to warn about the interaction with entities that spend their time to deceive, control and suck human energies. This warning is valid for everybody, also for who don't believe in Jesus.

Well fair enough, there are negative energies out there. I have found that while its important to be careful of spirits and demons, that one should be very careful about who or what one channels, your personal gaurdian angel, and very high dimension entities cannot be, and never are negative. These beings are so close to god, and so high in dimension (i guess in christianity the closest thing would be archangels), there is no concept of evil. Jesus would probably now be such an entity (not quite god, but close). And one should automatically _know_ one is talking to such a being, if there is any doubt then its probably a negative entity trying to trick you. The ra channels (law of one) are a good example of a clearly positive/high up channel. Certainly you should not just talk to any old entity.

Even in my personal experience I found the freedom from spirits requesting his help because nothing else worked. And in this, there isn't any provocation for any other religions.

Thats probably because you beleive in the power of jesus. A strong will (beleif in your power/lack of fear), and a command for them to leave will banish them. There are many tricks that work.

A question asked three times must be answered. A command given with true will, three times will always be followed. A circle sprinkled with blessed salt or salt water will hold out negative energies. Burning noxious plants works very well (like pepper, tobacco, or datura) -ive yet to see any entity that doesnt clear off with this and good banishing ritual. Black candles burnt works in some cases.

Any symbol one might feel works, will work. A cross, or the name of jesus would work for a devout christian. A pentagram or other magickal symbolism for an occultist. A jewish person might use the name of god, or the star of david.

All magick is about will, visualation and concentration. As such beleif that one is and can be protected from negative spirits is really the basis for getting rid of them. For that one should use what ever one beleives will work...

[serpentoffire]

A question asked three times must be answered. A command given with true will, three times will always be followed. A circle sprinkled with blessed salt or salt water will hold out negative energies. Burning noxious plants works very well (like pepper, tobacco, or datura) -ive yet to see any entity that doesnt clear off with this and good banishing ritual. Black candles burnt works in some cases.

Any symbol one might feel works, will work. A cross, or the name of jesus would work for a devout christian. A pentagram or other magickal symbolism for an occultist. A jewish person might use the name of god, or the star of david.

All magick is about will, visualation and concentration. As such beleif that one is and can be protected from negative spirits is really the basis for getting rid of them. For that one should use what ever one beleives will work...

I prefer a more simple:

IN THE NAME OF JESUS GO AWAY!!!

followed by several prayers to block their mental control. They are able to feel our thoughts and reply with phisical manifestation like bump or touching you. They are able to talk directly in your mind and force you to make bad actions to supply the energy that they need. Occultism help humans to recall these entities that take control of your life. It is hard to understand who is good and who is evil because both are angels, made of the same God matter and having the same powers over humanity.

[amadeus]

Does one need to have the authority of a non-present being or entity to be valid? Are we all so star struck, like we cannot get by without our fix of gossip or latest news on stars??

Are we so bored with ourselves that we don't want to take responsibility? or accept the ordinariness of ourselves.?

Are you not enough???


Just trying to do my homework and explore all kinds of authors and researchers. Nothing to do with 'getting a fix of gossip' my friend! ;)

p.s. Of course the Illuminati is involved with the UN; it shall be interesting to see if they really will cure AIDS-after creating it, as this Kryon suggests. Sounds kind of ludicrous...

[rossus]

I'm not a christian myself... and i'm not even sure if "Jesus" himself existed...
but my belief also tends to be in one god...
The one pure light that shines it's love into the heart of every creature.

I think the Bible's got many interesting things written in it....
too bad it's filled with disinformation in order to confuse, divide and conquer...

That being said, I get along quite well with some christians and muslims...
who seem to have benefited from their beliefs and have some of the most correct understanding of good and bad, of all the people i have met...
and they try to be pure.




To me... love, happiness, truth and justice is what spirituality is all about.
No need to play around with crystals and let "spirits" come into your being.

You can hardly trust another human...
so is it safe to trust a spirit of who you know nothing... and cannot even see it's face... to take possession of you?

I think it is a mistaken idea that knowledge or power... makes someone a happier or somehow richer person,
and there are many spirits that happily use humans to their advantage...

these spirits offer knowledge and power... pretending to be "Angels from heaven" or an "Evolved extra-terrestrial race"...
but they are actually bloodsucking serpents.



If you want a happier life, live purer.
Be aware of your thoughts and your feelings towards yourself, others and the whole world.

"Blessed are the Pure in Heart, for they shall see GOD." - Jesus

you don't need to be a holy man to see god. god is love.
just don't try to find him in the sky... look inside your heart.



I think the ether is full of serpent spirits. Perhaps there are spirits which are good...
but how could I know who is good or bad? because it's such risky game, I don't play it!

If I would come across a spirit, I'll tell it to be pure and do good... and tell it i'm not interested in unprovable "knowledge" or power.
I think just like many humans, many spirits are not interested in me because they cannot get any pleasure or power from me.

[drael]

I prefer a more simple:

IN THE NAME OF JESUS GO AWAY!!!

followed by several prayers to block their mental control.


I usually just say "leave me", in my mind, three times. Ive never needed a ritual yet. I guess all thats needed is the thought "leave", but i find three helps build the nessasary will.

They are able to talk directly in your mind and force you to make bad actions to supply the energy that they need.

They can only really influence u, using ur own mental weaknesses. They cant MAKE anyone do anything, people let it happen.

Occultism help humans to recall these entities that take control of your life. It is hard to understand who is good and who is evil because both are angels, made of the same God matter and having the same powers over humanity

Its not so hard with practice. Its just like when you meet someone in the street, if your paying proper attention, ull know if theyre trying to scam you. When your young u have no skill at this, and ull be played - so when your young be careful who you talk to, and look after yourself. With experience it becomes easy. With certain higher entities, such as your higher self/guide (or jesus), you recognise their energy.

I think it is a mistaken idea that knowledge or power... makes someone a happier or somehow richer person

I wouldnt trade my knowledge for all the gold in the world. Really!

Be aware of your thoughts and your feelings towards yourself, others and the whole world

To truely release all negative thoughts and all desire and attachment is alot more complicated than you portray IMO. Help from your personal spirit guide, a teacher, a mystic book or any useful source is useful for this extremely difficult task.

Its like building a particle superconducter. Sure take your time and try and figure it all out by yourself if you wish (it will of course take many many life-times). But i think ill ask the nuclear physicist, the engineer and the electrician :)

If you think the nuclear physicist is going to play you for a fool, get the info checked, watch him and make sure hes on the level. Or simply cover your arse, protect all the angles. Of course once you get to know him, and he becomes a trusted freind, all that is unnessasary. For difficult tasks, the more one-on-one expert help you get, the better.

Besides, even if you dont channel, demons and angels are there anyway doing their god appointed jobs and trying to teach you - u just wont detect them when theyre working on you. Where do you think fear comes from? hatred? or love and unity? pain/suffering? contentment? karma? - the manifest illusory universe in all its glory is the work of "gods host" (and also us on a deep non-concious level), designed in order that we may see through it/transcend it.

The reptiles/demons feed on negative emotion. All they need do is stimulate it to get there prize -and fear etc is already everywhere in our world. So we are making "food" for them, dont u think they are here "eating"? (and ensuring more "food"). Given the nature of the creatures theyd be everywhere surely? (ie in the lounges of everyone watching the news, worrying about armeggeddom or stressing about money). A few simple precautions protects the channeller (so long as their wise and not indescriminate - just like dealing with people in the world really), whereas nothing will protect those trapped in the darkness of their own emotional weaknesses. Love the world, love the heavens, love the reptiles, love the NWO, love everything - even pain and loss, and thats the only real way to be sure reptiles/demons wont touch you.

[alice1111]

Hi, just making an appearance to let you know I am reading ALL your posts and really benefitting from the information. It's not that I don't read libraries worth of books and do my research in many ways. And this is one of those ways---to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject.

Thanks again,

Alice

[asentinel]

[QUOTE=amadeus;221359]Just trying to do my homework and explore all kinds of authors and researchers. Nothing to do with 'getting a fix of gossip' my friend! ;) WAS THAT A LITTLE PAT ON THE HEAD? my friend??

I don't think you understood my comment, or style of writing. Satire.

We are all free to watch and read whatever (hopefully), according to geographical location and historical opportunity, culture. There are all sorts of different levels of awareness. Some things will create more fascination than others. This is how propaganda does its thing.

All created works are filtered. There is no absolute unbiased record, all is context and perspective. There is probably no such thing as accurate non-fiction. Yes, research as much as you have time to do, at the end of the day, you have to make a decision about what you like/choose to hold close to you and what you let go of. You can take a lifetime pursuing this. It is yours to choose.

Isnt it as important to research yourself, decide what you want to put your time and attention on. What do you choose to look for? Do you know your own strengths, weaknesses and purpose.

There is no argument with what you have said.

Having a problem to solve helps to narrow the focus.

Just saw the movie, Golden Compass, don't we all need one, maybe we all had that facility, in the past. Maybe its just a matter of using something we thought was too dangerous to use, someone told us that they did not want us using it, in any case! Dare to speak your truth often and the facility will return, like an elite athlete's atrophied skills. See what happens?

[amadeus]

[...] ;) WAS THAT A LITTLE PAT ON THE HEAD? my friend??

Yes, you're absolutely right... I must apologize, my daily doze of ridicule had been reached, and you triggered my ego(that cunning little vixen!) into writing that.

I don't think you understood my comment, or style of writing. Satire. Right again, I probably was out of tune spotting your satire. That said I think that this forum has way too much posts where people just attack each others characters(touché!); many great threads are completely ruined by posters who argue about something silly the other one said in pure kindergarten style. I must say that on some other forums people can actually debate the topic... :D

As for all the other stuff you said, I totally agree. Filtering all info and trusting my intuition has always (read: since I woke up) been my motto. I've also seen 'The Golden Compass' - what a FANTASTIC movie! Can't wait for the rest of the series.

all the best,

amadeus

[asentinel]

Yes, you're absolutely right... I must apologize, my daily doze of ridicule had been reached, and you triggered my ego(that cunning little vixen!) into writing that.

Right again, I probably was out of tune spotting your satire. That said I think that this forum has way too much posts where people just attack each others characters(touché!); many great threads are completely ruined by posters who argue about something silly the other one said in pure kindergarten style. I must say that on some other forums people can actually debate the topic... :D

As for all the other stuff you said, I totally agree. Filtering all info and trusting my intuition has always (read: since I woke up) been my motto. I've also seen 'The Golden Compass' - what a FANTASTIC movie! Can't wait for the rest of the series.

all the best,

amadeus

I know what you mean, at least I think that I do?? :D Just let me know if ever you doubt it, as I am fine with that.

Yes I agree that the silliness and hot tempers can get in the way of really trying to understand where the other person is coming from, including different cultural and native language backgrounds. Still we must try to manage to understand each other, find a way through. So I will try to keep "style" to a minimum, unless its a really obvious pun. I always try for clarity also, and am aware that as many friends do not have english as a first language and I am humbled and in awe of their rapid grasp of new things. They are sometimes more knowledgable than lazy locals who dumb themselves down with lack of interest in discussion.

The 2 other books in the series I am buying to read and pass on to my sister's children. Look up his website (Phillip Pullman) to read what he says about the trend of children's education, his despair at the stamping out of true creativity, making of clones and drones.

Happy New Year!