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king
19-12-2007, 08:44 AM
courtesy of one ex Icke forummer who has done some research on subject of planet X.
he wrote::

its really funny how this silly myth has got so out of hand but hey there are the books and dvds to be sold and money to be made . its so ridiculous . just post this link on tsarion's page and see him explain his way out of this one . i think anyone sticking around to defend this crappy work which you acuratly described as science fiction and bad science fiction is that that really sticks out in my mind rite now . do you think that the bellow info completely destroys all tsarion's Atlantis work (and i use the term 'work 'very loosely indeed).......................

http://www.rense.com/general19/planetx.htm

anyone sticking around to defend his work after seeing the above i think can safely be said to be either very dumb or have some vested interest in peddling the crap .


bellow is a rense article showing how this same crap about a planetX was used in 2003 . now bringing it out again and saying its not due until 2012 is just the same shit different day and you know what the implications are for anyone who believes it and i hold my hands up , i brought it too and its not been at all nice .

these people should be ashamed at the misery they cause but obviously they are not .



http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm

bellow is an in depth look at Sitchen's bullshizzlw which i think you have already studied but i'll paste the link anyway as it has something on the bullshizzle which is the bible codes which i researched a couple of weeks ago and found out it is total shit in under 60 seconds ........

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/

now dude , you wanted info on there being no great flood

anyway these links i've pasted i've not taken long to find but have read the info on them and i think you will find plenty more were they came from demonstrating their being no planetX and the links bellow showing there never was any great flood . just think of this for starters , were did all the water come from that covered the highest mountains and were did it all go , i just read that and never thought of it before .

anyway i think there is more than enough proof in just these few links that their is no planetX and was never any great flood wich means there was no great water planet called TIAMAT which Tsarion and Sitchen have completely wrong anyway and on purpose , bellow i've pasted from one of the links what tiamat was

........... Well: it doesn't. For one thing, Sitchin's translations of the Sumerian texts were terrible - for example, he got the word for `planet' wrong. And the words Nibiru and Marduk? Marduk was, besides a god, a nickname for the planet Jupiter. `Nibiru' simply means `ferry boat' and was sometimes used to describe... Jupiter! So in fact, what Sitchin holds for Planet X is simply good old Jupiter.


and bellow on this link should be enough info to prove there was no great flood .

so what does no great flood and no planetX mean for Tsarion ?

it means he is full of shit m8 and people might want to think about asking for a refund for the books n dvd,s they purchased, not to mention time waisted and its obvious he knows what he is doing and his ego is so massive and we have to here all the bullshit he says about ego and his insults to all of humanity so i bet already his ego is hurting as he knows its only a matter of days that the info that Mr White has on him is going to make him want to be invisible lol .

anyway i hope these links are sufficient for you m8 . http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html

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there you have it. take whatever you want from it but you should checkout
The `Evidence’ and The Facts on planet X from the link:

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm



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The Sumerians saw it. The Russians photographed it. NASA saw it, too. And now, eons after it left our world behind as a smoking, lifeless mess, the dreaded Planet X is about to reenter our solar system and mess up our world all over again. Or is it?



They say it triggers earthquakes. That it rips open volcanoes, and unleashes massive tsunamis. They say it can kick the Earth’s axis over, pushing Africa to the pole and Antarctica to the equator. It may even stop our planet from rotating! Or worse: peel the Earth’s crust off, tear our planet to bits. Or perhaps it simply sweeps our world aside, pushing it into the Sun. That’s the way it goes when suddenly, a HUGE planet zooms by. They say.
The demon planet that is supposed to do the trick goes by many names. Some call it Nibiru, or Marduk. Others named it The Ottawa Object, or Vulcan, or Transpluto. But most people prefer X, just X. `Planet X’, to be precise.

Planet X is the supposedly eleventh planet of our solar system. It should be as big as many Earths, dwarfing it perhaps even hundreds of times. Some people think X isn’t even a real planet, but a `brown dwarf’: a massive ball of dust and gas that almost succeeded in becoming a star. Planet X has something no other planet has: a huge orbit. Its orbit around the Sun lasts 3,600 years. Most of the time, it is far off, invisible to the eye. But every 3,600 years, the lost planet returns. Once here, it accelerates, and swings close past the Sun, disrupting everything it encounters.

And that’s exactly what Planet X is about to do, they say. Right now, it should be somewhere in the outer regions of the solar system, still invisible to our telescopes. But in the spring of 2003, it will suddenly make its appearance. It will be some event. Within months, Planet X will reach the inner regions of the solar system, disturbing the eclipses of the planets and bombarding us with comets. In May, it will pass Earth, missing it only at a few hairs’ lengths. Or, well: hitting us at full force, perhaps.

And that will be it. X will fly off again, not to be seen for another 3,600 years. And our planet? Earth will be bruised and battered, and covered in lava. If there’s anything worth calling a planet left at all, that is.

Planet X: The Real Story

Then again, maybe nothing happens at all in 2003. You see, Planet X is like the perfect myth: the outcome of centuries of ill-omened rumors, laced with snippets of history and cosmology. But: it is still myth. Dream stuff.

It all began with a tablet of clay, uncovered in the Near East many years ago. On the tablet, the Sumerians, the earliest known inhabitants of the Middle East, jotted down something that looked like a solar system. Earth was there, and Saturn, and Jupiter -- as well as all other planets we know of today. But hey, aren’t there supposed to be nine planets? The clay tablet clearly displays eleven. The tenth one could be the moon, or the newly discovered mini-planet Sedna. But that still leaves you with one planet too many. Weird, isn’t it?


Next came the astronomers. From the 1840s until deep into the 1980s, astronomy was haunted by a strange mystery. Something was not right with the orbits of the outer planets. Something really heavy seemed to be tugging at the outer planets Uranus and Neptune. Certain asteroids felt the mysterious pull, too. Must be an enormous planet out there, many astronomers assumed. Or several planets, even. This was how Planet X got its name: the term `X’ comes from the early-twentieth century astronomer Percival Lowell, best known for his study of the `canals’ on Mars.

But eventually, in the 1980s and 1990s, the riddle was solved. There appeared to be no mystery planet involved at all. Neither is there some mysterious force pulling on Neptune’s orbit. The astronomers simply had their orbit calculations wrong. But with better techniques, it all added up. By now, no serious astronomer believes in Planet X anymore. Exit Planet X.

But it was too late already. The Planet X-story had started to lead a life of its own. The breakthrough came in 1976, when a new age-writer by the name of Zecharia Sitchin linked the Planet X-problem of the astronomers up with Sumerian and Babylonian mythology.

Enter Sumerian religion. Like most people, the Sumerians had a lot of pretty neat stories about how the Earth came about. In one of them, it all began with a family quarrel between two gods, Tiamat and Marduk. The two picked a fight, and Marduk won. Pissed off as he was, Marduk cut Tiamat to bits. From the body parts he created our world. This leg here is the sky; that arm there, that'll be the land.

But Sitchin turned the story upside-down. To his opinion, the Sumerians were actually describing an ancient cosmic disaster. A collision between our own planet (Tiamat), and Marduk -- which was, of course, the mystery planet from the clay tablet, a.k.a. Planet X. Adds up nice, right?

Well: it doesn't. For one thing, Sitchin's translations of the Sumerian texts were terrible - for example, he got the word for `planet' wrong. And the words Nibiru and Marduk? Marduk was, besides a god, a nickname for the planet Jupiter. `Nibiru' simply means `ferry boat' and was sometimes used to describe... Jupiter! So in fact, what Sitchin holds for Planet X is simply good old Jupiter.

The astronomical side of the story is no good, either. A planet with a highly elliptic orbit of 3,600 years would after a few rotations fly off, direction deep space - or just become part of the 'normal' solar system. It is simply impossible there is a Planet X around. Physics forbids it, just like it forbids apples from falling upwards.

But how about the ten planets on the Sumerian tablet? That's decoration, probably. Or it could be Venus, as seen from Earth, and surrounded by stars. There are many, many clay tablets exactly like this one, and they all display funny little drawings in the corners: crosses, moons, stars -- you name it. So there's no need to think anything special of the `planets'. We can be sure of one thing, though: it isn't a astronomical map. The Sumerians believed our planet was a flat disc, they didn't believe the planets rotated around the Sun, and they had no way of seeing the outer planets Neptune, Pluto and Quaovar.

Still, Sitchins book was a bestseller, and Planet X gained quite a following on Earth. It still has. Some believe Planet X is an inhabited planet, inhabited by Atlantians, or pyramid-builders, or little green men, or... well, you know, that sort of thing. Even today, there are people around who claim they are in `telepathic contact’ with the inhabitants of the planet. Sigh... Some people will simply believe anything!

Aw... Hold it now. Is that all? Well, there’s this other thing. For in fact, Planet X has been spotted by NASA! In 1983, two astronomers named Neugebauer and Houck made headlines with their announcement that they had discovered a `Jupiter-sized planet’, cruising the galaxy at a distance of two billion kilometers from the Sun.

But: the headlines were wrong. What Neugebauer and Houck really told the press was that they discovered an irregularity in the infrared spectrum. It could be almost anything, they stated, ranging from a new planet to a distant galaxy. The press obviously preferred the planet. But after a while it became clear that what the astronomers really saw was a distant galaxy.

By now, numerous pictures, news clippings and remarkable facts `proving’ the existence of the dreaded Planet X are circulating the Net. But don’t stock on tin cans: they're all bogus (for the details, check out the fact sheet at the bottom of this page).

It is at this point many Planet X-believers resort to gossip and childish, X-filish conspiracy theory. According to one particular rumor, the astronomers hold back all information regarding Nibiru. The Russians would have taken photos of Planet X, including affirmed alien space ships hovering over its surface (see pictures below). Another rumor has it the coming of Planet X is covered up by hushy governments -- isn’t that why so many observatories are closed down for maintenance? Oh, sure! You must have a Sumerian clay tablet for a brain to buy stuff like that!

So: Planet-Ex?

You guessed it. If they ever start telling you about Planet-X, laugh your wits off. Don’t take any precautions – there’s no need. Planet X doesn’t exist. Never has. Never will. Off with you, Nibiru. Shoo.

[ Credit: For the Sumerian part of the story, Exit Mundi owes a great deal to Wilfred van Soldt, an expert on Mesopotamian astronomy at Leiden University who was willing to look into the case. Also, Exit Mundi consulted Frank Israel, an astronomer at the same university. The insight they offered is invaluable, thanks! ]







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here are a few facts that are presented there

- There could be such a thing as a Planet X around.

No, that's impossible. Planet X is said to have a highly elliptical orbit. But such orbits are unstable. Soon, the planet would get a circular orbit and become part of the 'normal' solar system - or it would fly off into deep space. There just is no other way.


- Sumerian mythology tells of a collision between two planets.
No, it doesn’t. In one particular Sumerian creation story, Earth is created after a violent conflict between Tiamat and Nibiru. But neither of them is a planet: they’re gods, the two of them. It was the writer Zecharia Sitchin who introduced the planets, not the Sumerians.


- The Sumerians knew of a planet they called `Nibiru'.
Wrong. `Nibiru' is just the ancient word for `ferry boat'. In some Babylonian texts, the word `nibiru' is used to describe the movement of the planet Jupiter - which was also called `Marduk'. So neither Nibiru nor Marduk refers to some weird planet. It just means: Jupiter! Nothing more, nothing less.

- The Sumerians knew very much about cosmology. That’s why you should take it serious when they say there is a Planet X around.
Wrong. Indeed, the Sumerians had the same amount of brain as we have. But they weren’t interested in astronomy at all. That came later, with the Babylonian civilization. And even then, the Babylonians believed Earth was a disk, with the Sun revolving around it! Just look at it this way: the Greek, the Chinese and the Maya knew lot more about cosmology than the Babylonians and the Sumerians– and they never mentioned a tenth planet!

- The Sumerians had a pictorial word, `shar', that means `planet', `orbit' and `3,600'. This must refer to the fact that Planet X has an orbit time of 3,600 years.
Far from it. 'Shar' means '3,600' alright. But in another language, Akkadian, there was a pictorial 'sharru' which meant 'Marduk' or 'supreme ruler' -- and nót `planet'. The mixing up of two completely different languages, once again, comes from Sitchin.

- The Babylonians frequently used the letter `X'. This means: `planet of the crossing'. No, it doesn't. The Babylonians used X much like we do: to mark things. In specific, they used X's to mark their kettle. But the X doesn't refer to anything that has to do with planets.

- Planet X must have slammed into our world: that’s why the once-joined continents are split up and floating away from each other.
Total nonsense. The force that pushes the continents apart doesn't come from outer space – but from deep underneath the Earth’s crust. In the Atlantic, new seabed is constantly being formed, and this pushes the continents apart.


- Still, something huge did slam into our planet – modern science agrees on that.
Yes, but that particular event took place 4,5 billion years ago. In those days, a huge heavenly body cleft our planet in two, creating the Moon. But there weren’t even single-celled bacteria around at that time. Let alone Sumerians with clay tablets to write about the event.


- But the Sumerians were in contact with an alien race. They told them all about Planet X.
There is not a shred of evidence to support such hocus-pocus. Think of it this way: if the ancient Sumerians indeed were such good friends with an alien race, then why didn’t they even have the technology to prevent their culture from being run over again and again by invading neighbors? The Sumerians were pretty simple, rudimentary farmers that lived off of the land.

more at

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm

kblood
19-12-2007, 09:39 AM
Niburu and Jupiter being the same? I guess then it might all be about Jupiter being made into a second sun? Has been stuff about it being possible to cause Jupiter to become a sun, by nuking it a bit...

I guess we would then have light 24 hours a day :( I like having nights. Ah well, probably wont happen anyway.

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 09:51 AM
I find the whole planet X thing to be very interesting indeed... there are many new planets and things being discovered all the of the time..... One that is actually supposed to be very much like earth from what we can tell....

danielg
19-12-2007, 11:09 AM
I find the whole planet X thing to be very interesting indeed... there are many new planets and things being discovered all the of the time..... One that is actually supposed to be very much like earth from what we can tell....
I take it you've got your telescope out ready to see Santa Claus too?

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 11:13 AM
I take it you've got your telescope out ready to see Santa Claus too?

you never know!

I take it you are getting ready for your next board meeting with NASA!?

danielg
19-12-2007, 11:44 AM
I don't need to be on NASA's board to know astronomy.
Planet X is a large hypothetical planet beyond Neptune. The scientific basis of the Planet X hypothesis was broadly discounted in the early 1980s and today no significant portion of the scientific community believes it to exist.
Quite, given there is no evidence whatsoever.

tron
19-12-2007, 11:50 AM
I don't need to be on NASA's board to know astronomy.

Quite, given there is no evidence whatsoever.

Care, real or not. What will be will be, if people are stupid enough to think the world is ending soon and are giving up their life to fear or the anticipation of planet X then more fool them. There is no evidence for a quite alot of things, doesn't mean you can dismiss things totally, we live in a Universe or infinite possibilities, no?

xx

tron
19-12-2007, 11:54 AM
you never know!

I take it you are getting ready for your next board meeting with NASA!?

You don't need to work for NASA to repeat the status quo and 'scientific evidence' Thirdwave, you should know this everytime you watch the news. ;) This is what gets me about people who try and prove things wrong, its virtually impossible because nobody actually know for sure. Only thing I know is that 'science' in the mainstream, on the whole, can not be trusted to the full extent, full of myths and half-truths.

xx

danielg
19-12-2007, 12:00 PM
Given that we have the technology to see light years away, and even amateur astronomers can see far beyond Pluto, itwould have been noticed by now. What you are dealing with, in this case, is a case of utter bullshit. True, there are lots of possibilities in the universe, hence the human minds capabilty of studying them. This one though is just new age garbage. And any astronomer, professional and amateur will agree entirely with that, call it a dismisal if you will.
:)

tron
19-12-2007, 12:10 PM
Given that we have the technology to see light years away, and even amateur astronomers can see far beyond Pluto, itwould have been noticed by now. What you are dealing with, in this case, is a case of utter bullshit. True, there are lots of possibilities in the universe, hence the human minds capabilty of studying them. This one though is just new age garbage. And any astronomer, professional and amateur will agree entirely with that, call it a dismisal if you will.
:)

I'm not saying I believe it, just don't rule it out, thats all I'm saying. I dismissed the 911 inside job stories for about 2years of my life because of apparent 'proof' provided by our loving state.

xx

drael
19-12-2007, 12:14 PM
Not that i beleive in planet x nessasarily but actually its very hard to see planets (unlike stars/suns), because they only produce a little light at most. Planet x is said to have a wide eliptical orbit making it quite possible we cant see it yet. (or at least it is hard to see/detect). Whether it has anything to do with 2012 is speculative of course, but time will tell...If it was a water based planet, we might be able to detect that? (I beleive this produces some form of radiation)

tron
19-12-2007, 12:22 PM
Not that i beleive in planet x nessasarily but actually its very hard to see planets (unlike stars/suns), because they only produce a little light at most. Planet x is said to have a wide eliptical orbit making it quite possible we cant see it yet. (or at least it is hard to see/detect). Whether it has anything to do with 2012 is speculative of course, but time will tell...If it was a water based planet, we might be able to detect that? (I beleive this produces some form of radiation)

Always 2 sides to a story mate, guess we'll find out if/when it happens. I just get frustrated at how much people think they 'know', cause, in truth, none of us KNOW jack! Like I said, what will be, will be. Just enjoy the ride. ;)

xx

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 12:37 PM
You don't need to work for NASA to repeat the status quo and 'scientific evidence' Thirdwave, you should know this everytime you watch the news. ;) This is what gets me about people who try and prove things wrong, its virtually impossible because nobody actually know for sure. Only thing I know is that 'science' in the mainstream, on the whole, can not be trusted to the full extent, full of myths and half-truths.

xx


the source is credible when it suits their views....

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 12:37 PM
I don't need to be on NASA's board to know astronomy.

Quite, given there is no evidence whatsoever.

ahh ok, I will just go and note that in my book of facts.... :rolleyes:

tejas
19-12-2007, 01:26 PM
If there was no flood, what were all the flood myths that are common with every ancient civilsation all about?

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 01:32 PM
I am quite open either way with this planet x thing... there are clearly lots of new discoveries going on up there... and you can bet that we hear the minimum of them.....

as for this "dubunker" crap.... its very rare I see a debunker of any value... for a start most people that are on the right path for truth does not really need to spend the time to "debunk" people... they are to busy doing there own thing....

ok, if you are being attacked by something like our government then sure make a website to debunk 9/11 or something.... but these "debunker" efforts in my eyes are a total waste of time....

if you need debunkers then you must need leaders.... and both dont do it for me..

tejas
19-12-2007, 01:39 PM
the problem w/ all this tsarion/maxwell/icke is disinfo stuff is that it seems to all originate from the far right fundamentalist christian camp. And we all know how bollox xtianity is.

i feel that while debunking the conspiracy researches is exercising an important lesson in what is truth without really saying how the disinfo, if there is any , is harmful - it serves no purpose but to lead us back to square one.

Apart from our own ignorance, we dont know fuck all

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 02:05 PM
the problem w/ all this tsarion/maxwell/icke is disinfo stuff is that it seems to all originate from the far right fundamentalist christian camp.


Yep.

ashyr
19-12-2007, 02:25 PM
thanks for posting that. its great to see some objective views around here. need them more often, this site can easy snowball and convince people of anything ,

i highly doubt anything will happen. if it was really something. and "THEY" knew and it was something out of there control. they would be in awe 2. are they? no.

its a good distraction though. ill give it that.

btw that foto that was used in a few videos about the anunaki/nephilim giant skeleton dug up in some gas exploration. i heard that it was "a photoshop" contest winner?
is that true?

btw. secretly i was hoping this shit would happen but its unlikely its going to.
maybe its a manifestation thing and the ploy is to get 100 monkeys to believe it first?

thirdwave
19-12-2007, 02:57 PM
king

can you explain this more clearly...


- The Sumerians had a pictorial word, `shar', that means `planet', `orbit' and `3,600'. This must refer to the fact that Planet X has an orbit time of 3,600 years.
Far from it. 'Shar' means '3,600' alright. But in another language, Akkadian, there was a pictorial 'sharru' which meant 'Marduk' or 'supreme ruler' -- and nót `planet'. The mixing up of two completely different languages, once again, comes from Sitchin.


from what I can see because another language has a smiler word that means something different that Sitches got it wrong??

did the other language mean that every 3.600 years we see our "supreme rulers"?

if im wrong please explain better...?

no need to answer by sending me over whelming pages of text you expect me to read through... I find its much more effective to get to the main point, which normally only requires one of two paragraphs....

2013
19-12-2007, 03:15 PM
It is arrogance in the extreme to presume we have the sum of all knowledge yet this is what science does constantly , and by going on its previous record of denying suppressing and hounding previous Theories and now established facts concerning many different fields and scientists themselves who where outcast imprisoned etc how can they not see that there is more to be learnt constantly :D

greenleaf
19-12-2007, 03:27 PM
there's an irony in the fact all this long winded explanation on how crap other reasearchers are when you can find the truth in 60 seconds.... I suppose all you have to do now is learn how to bleeding spell as your brain seems to have failed in these teachings.

hirschfelder
19-12-2007, 05:40 PM
courtesy of one ex Icke forummer who has done some research on subject of planet X.
he wrote::

its really funny how this silly myth has got so out of hand but hey there are the books and dvds to be sold and money to be made . its so ridiculous . just post this link on tsarion's page and see him explain his way out of this one . i think anyone sticking around to defend this crappy work which you acuratly described as science fiction and bad science fiction is that that really sticks out in my mind rite now ...

This is as far as I could get with this thread, I'm sure the links are very interesting, but if you want people to read them, don't editorialize them in such a smug, angry, illegible way

If the links suggest that the theory is 'silly' and 'ridiculous' allow the links to speak for themsleves. You're not obliged to give a sneering schoolboy foreword

And get a spellchecker

king
20-12-2007, 06:57 AM
btw that foto that was used in a few videos about the anunaki/nephilim giant skeleton dug up in some gas exploration. i heard that it was "a photoshop" contest winner?
is that true?
yes

btw. secretly i was hoping this shit would happen but its unlikely its going to.
maybe its a manifestation thing and the ploy is to get 100 monkeys to believe it first?

i think that earth will be here for sometime
;)

king
20-12-2007, 07:06 AM
This is as far as I could get with this thread, I'm sure the links are very interesting, but if you want people to read them, don't editorialize them in such a smug, angry, illegible way

If the links suggest that the theory is 'silly' and 'ridiculous' allow the links to speak for themsleves. You're not obliged to give a sneering schoolboy foreword

And get a spellchecker

well, have you actually read what i wrote?
I guess not, because if you have read what I wrote as an intro you would see that I am not the one who wrote or "editorialized" the text -- i just posted what someone else wrote. so, let me paste again the part that I wrote :


courtesy of one ex Icke forummer who has done some research on subject of planet X.
he wrote::

BTW, i do use spellchecker on my own posts.

limelady
20-12-2007, 10:08 AM
As the years pass by I find myself waking up mornings to the realisation "the more I think I know, the more I realise I don't know.".

More than ever I'm feeling like a baby with just SO much to learn and understand about my reality. :eek:

One thing I have come to realise is that an open mind is required at all times......and I don't mean a gullible mind or a non-decerning mind, I simply mean a mind open to any and all possibility.

That way you NEVER become so set in your beliefs that you feel you have ALL the answers about everyone and everything.....that way you don't end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.
:eek:

thirdwave
20-12-2007, 10:40 AM
i think that earth will be here for sometime
;)


He says while trying to convince him self....


Well I agree it will, though what state it will be in and what state man kind will be in is what's up for question.

thirdwave
20-12-2007, 10:41 AM
that way you don't end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.
:eek:

which of course is a vital ingredient for the powers that be, and their agenda...

tinmenace
20-12-2007, 01:01 PM
...and bellow on this link should be enough info to prove there was no great flood...

Of course there was a flood. There's archaeological evidence which cannot be explained by anything other than a flood.

thirdwave
20-12-2007, 03:20 PM
Of course there was a flood. There's archaeological evidence which cannot be explained by anything other than a flood.




the fact that people are looking for evidence to "debunk" the claims only shows the weight of them.... at the end of the day there is enough info to suggest Planet X is a possibility... and enough to suggest that its not... So it comes down to bringing other things into the equation and ones own personal point of view...

But many seem to think their point of view over rides others....

Most people who stubbornly reject these possibilities are either people who become filled with fear when thinking about them due to a lack of understanding of the whole thing... or of course religious people who have that to look after before anything else is brought into the equation.

king
20-12-2007, 08:29 PM
He says while trying to convince him self....


Well I agree it will, though what state it will be in and what state man kind will be in is what's up for question.

OMG -- you actually agree with something that i wrote!

time to pop that champagne cork!

dmessick
20-12-2007, 09:09 PM
Maybe the planet is just beyond what we can "see". Who knows.

thirdwave
20-12-2007, 10:33 PM
OMG -- you actually agree with something that i wrote!

time to pop that champagne cork!

Im getting there ..... Im trying not to let you down...

king
22-12-2007, 08:45 AM
Im getting there ..... Im trying not to let you down...

so, do you believe or did you ever believe in existence of planet X?

I never bought that one, it did not sound right and Sitchin did not sound convincing.

thorleyart
22-12-2007, 09:39 AM
''- Sumerian mythology tells of a collision between two planets.
No, it doesn’t. In one particular Sumerian creation story, Earth is created after a violent conflict between Tiamat and Nibiru. But neither of them is a planet: they’re gods, the two of them. It was the writer Zecharia Sitchin who introduced the planets, not the Sumerians.


- The Sumerians knew of a planet they called `Nibiru'.
Wrong. `Nibiru' is just the ancient word for `ferry boat'. In some Babylonian texts, the word `nibiru' is used to describe the movement of the planet Jupiter - which was also called `Marduk'. So neither Nibiru nor Marduk refers to some weird planet. It just means: Jupiter! Nothing more, nothing less.''

Nibiru is a god. (top paragraph)

Nibiru is a word for 'ferry boat' (top line, second paragraph)

Nibiru is used to describe the movement of the planet Jupiter

Nibiru - it just means: Jupiter! Nothing more, nothing less.

So that's four different meanings there,

I find it frustrating when 'Debunkers' start rambling just as much nonsense as the topic they are trying to 'debunk'

eternal_spirit
22-12-2007, 09:51 AM
Jupiter was seen as a God by them maybe? As well as a Planet.

veritas2007
22-12-2007, 11:41 AM
I'm not sure about that first Rense link. There is a great deal of opinion in the article e.g. "One possible cause can be conjectured..." with some back up comments like "Many point to the discovery of....." (who are the 'many'?). If Object 2001 KX76 is being offered as the solution to the Planet X question, I would say that based on the first Rense article, it is weak in the extreme.

Now, if some people are on a mission to save others from the same fate that has befallen them, namely total subscription to Sitchin and Tsarion theories, then quoting links like this first one don't help. (Neither does condescension but that's a different issue and has more to do with manners and upbringing than anything else). "Out of the frying pan...." and all that.

You know, I'm not sure that 'people' are as easily led as some posters would have us believe. It is indeed a fair comment that the human race seem to be becoming more aware generally. It is also fair to comment that there are a lot of theories on offer but IMHO, I don't think it is as cut and dried as "you either believe X or Y" which is the feeling you get from some of these 'debunks'.

Some on here portray a virtual 'Conspiracy Supermarket' where you take from the shelf the one you want and leave the rest behind. I prefer to see it as a pick 'n mix :)

I'd be careful though of anyone who claims to have got to the bottom of anything and have the definitive answer.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
- André Gide (1869-1951)