Tolle on war

[sunyatta60]

I love this stuff

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[peachped]

I had to turn it off. He's already having a go at the 'painbodies' he'll be having a go at the 'longhairs' next!:eek:

What a short haired geek.

[sunyatta60]

I had to turn it off. He's already having a go at the 'painbodies' he'll be having a go at the 'longhairs' next!:eek:

What a short haired geek.

I think you missed his point which leads me to ask are you a Robot?

[peachped]

Ok - What was his point?

I can't believe I just watched it again. It's like a cross between Rick Astley and Magnus Magnusson waffling on about nothing exept 'painbodies'

[sunyatta60]

Ok - What was his point?

Everything you see out there is a projection that comes from within you :)

[peachped]

He talks like a tellytubby. It's new age bollocks.

[sunyatta60]

He talks like a tellytubby. It's new age bollocks.

I see you are a Fucking Robot there is no such thing as New Age Time does not exist you idiot. Go and get a proper education, what he is teaching is Ancient Wisdom but your Ego won't recognize it, or understand it, in fact it will hate the message.

[peachped]

Long Hair'd Fucking Robot get it right, what colour is the sky in la la land? The NWO must be rubbing their hands knowing there are pliant minds that believe in this crap. :D

[sunyatta60]

Long Hair'd Fucking Robot get it right, what colour is the sky in la la land? The NWO must be rubbing their hands knowing there are pliant minds that believe in this crap

I think you are a Soft Twat his teachings are backed up by Science if you had any form of education you would know that.

[sunyatta60]

Twat head this film explains where Tolle is coming from LOL

It is a very cleverly constructed Illusion this film explains it best and is based on the work of Physicist David Bohm and Neuroscientists Karl Pribram

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4232897377629019446&q=holographic+universe&total=49&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[spiritualone]

Good series. I watched all the other videos in that series. There is one third from the end by Adyashanti, who gives a different analogy than Tolle.


"When you don't cover up the world with words and labels, a sense of the miraculous returns to your life."

- Eckhart Tolle

[sunyatta60]

Hi What Tolle is talking about has been known for thousands of years.
The pain body he talks of is about how we suffer because we are locked into a viscious and negative cycle. People in the media are beaming negative images of war to us because they are at war with themselves. People who are at peace with themsleves have no need nor desire to fight with anyone else, they know there is no one out there to fight with.
Like a wise master once said "You Must BE The CHANGE You Wish to See in The World.

[rossus]

good stuff Sunyatta.
i haven't read much tolle, but he speak about the same thingz i'm into.
he seems to be a lovely chap... and a funny one as well. :)

although he seems to go offtopic a lot,
and by this i mean he talks a lot of things that have nothing to do with enlightenment...
ofcourse it's fun to talk about other stuff as well...

but i prefer spiritual teachers to only speak about enlightenment...
that keeps things more simple and more serious... which is better for the seeker.
but maybe i'm just bitching for no reason now :)
Long Hair'd Fucking Robot get it right, what colour is the sky in la la land? The NWO must be rubbing their hands knowing there are pliant minds that believe in this crap. :D
you're wrong peach.

when you hear this kind of talk, you already judge it with
"this is new age rubbish"... so you don't listen.

but this is not a belief system.
it's about becoming aware that you are not the ego (painbody),
& that you are not the body....

your true self is always perfectly happy,
independent of the absence of pleasure or the presence of pain...

this stuff is the same as buddhism,
minus the beliefsystem.

it is the simple truth about enlightenment, how to bring an end to unhappiness...
and be happy forever... independent of any circumstances.

i think this is one of the most important things which can help make the world a better place.
if people would learn to stop making themselves unhappy,

then they would no longer be dependent on the system...
& they would realize they don't need society obsessed with materialism and pollution...
but a simple, natural and stress-less life.

[21_12_2012]

Twat head this film explains where Tolle is coming from LOL

It is a very cleverly constructed Illusion this film explains it best and is based on the work of Physicist David Bohm and Neuroscientists Karl Pribram

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4232897377629019446&q=holographic+universe&total=49&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I enjoyed watching this video. I thought it explained things very well in quite
simple terms, which probably anybody could get to grips with.

But, the ending was disappointing, where he brings the quran into it, and
the 'allah creates it all' stuff.

Apart from that, excellent video.

[Anders Lindman]

Tolle's description of the pain body is very accurate. At least on a personal level. I can surely feel it! :D

And Tolle's simple practice of putting awareness into the body is brilliant. It really works, but it's a slow and suffering kind of experience to try to put awareness into the body in my experience.

Tolle's description of the collective pain body could very well also be true.

This is my current take on it: on a personal level, fear is caused by cells in the body walling themselves off from their environment in order to protect themselves. But that also means, as Bruce Lipton has explained, that these cells are no longer participating in the community which is the whole body. In turn this means that the other cells working in the community get more pressure on them and that creates anger, that creates HATRED!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Cells closing themselves down, walling themselves off from their environment, is a necessary protection when that environment is toxic and can destroy the cells. The problem is that this protection is only meant for temporary situations, yet in our lives we have been caught in chronic states of fear which means that the cells remain in a protective state and eventually they die, because when they do not interact with the rest of the community/environment they cannot sustain themselves more than for a certain period of time.

The pain body, then, must be the result of cells being trapped in a chronic state of fear. The emotional, and even physical pain felt in the body is not caused directly by the cells that has closed themselves off, because they are no longer 'in the body system' so to speak, and instead it is the indirect result of the other cells having to do more than they can handle that causes the pain and suffering.

[astral_girl]

i have read one of his books and watched some videos

in sept i also went to see him talk in london.....and i think hes certainly right about many things:)

the bit about the pain bodies i think is very good -i had not heard of this term for it before reading his book -i particually think how he refers to the pain body in women around pmt time is very true and think it is a wonderful way to describe what actually happens at that time.:)

{Eckhart Tolle LONDON
The Secret of Self Realization.
Note: ticket option - select at checkout

Date: 1st September 2007 (Sat)
Time: 2.00pm - 5.00pm
Venue: Central Hall Westminster, Storey's Gate, London SW1
Fee: £60.00




This is a rare opportunity to spend a profound afternoon of awakening with Eckhart Tolle, world-renowned author and spiritual teacher, and experience the power and inspiration of his teachings as he guides you inward toward a state of true "being" and enlightenment.

Eckhart Tolle's highly acclaimed The Power of Now (translated into thirty-two languages), as well as his latest book A New Earth, have inspired millions of people throughout the world. In what promises to be an extraordinary afternoon, Eckhart shows you how to liberate yourself from the perils of compulsive thinking and find your true identity and true purpose in life beyond the conditioning of the mind. Experience the joy, the freedom and the power of truly living in the Now and learn how to access the timeless dimension of pure consciousness. Early booking is recommended for this deeply inspiring and life transforming afternoon with one of the world's most respected spiritual teachers}

[razed1]

I had to turn it off. He's already having a go at the 'painbodies' he'll be having a go at the 'longhairs' next!:eek:

What a short haired geek.

actually i enjoyed it , he makes some good points

i suggest you watch it again, this time, leave the ego at the door

[Anders Lindman]

The collective pain body leading to wars and so on is immensely important to deal with, yet I believe one has to start with the personal pain body.

Chronic fear shuts down vast numbers of cells in the body so that they no longer participate in the community of some 100 trillion cells making up the whole body. The shutting off leads to an increased burden on the remaining cells working in the body. That creates the personal pain body.

How to heal the personal pain body? Fear is the inability of the functioning cells to interact with the cells that have walled themselves off. Hatred (and other nasty emotional states) is the result of this inability. What is needed is to enter with one's awareness between the hatred and the fear. That zone is primarily experienced as confusion. Go into your hatred, and feel how the hatred is expressed in your body, such as in your eyes, the muscles around the eyes and in the rest of the head, and the hatred even goes into every part of the body, from the neck and all the way down. Relax your face and feel the hatred expressed in the facial muscles. Then focus on your confusion and feel that. Then sense your fear which also can be felt throughout the body, and one easy access point is the fear behind the eyes. The trick is then to blend the hatred, the confusion and the fear into a single feeling so that the three components begin to merge into each other and that will start the transmutation that will gradually begin to dissolve the personal pain body.

[sunyatta60]

I enjoyed watching this video. I thought it explained things very well in quite
simple terms, which probably anybody could get to grips with.

But, the ending was disappointing, where he brings the quran into it, and
the 'allah creates it all' stuff.

Apart from that, excellent video.

A lot of people dislike the ending but that is their bias kicking in just remember that Allah is just the Arabic word for God. The video is based solely on the findings of Western Science for me it explains everything perfectly. We Are All God experiencing the world from our different perspectives.

[peachped]

I apologise sunyatta my posts last night were uncalled for, will listen to mr Tolle when im in a better frame of mind.

cheers razed, will do.

[cleft_asunder]

I think you missed his point which leads me to ask are you a Robot?

:D

[cleft_asunder]

Tolle is fantastic. A New Earth is just... it's beyond words. I feel that many enlightenment books like I AM THAT are cold, but A New Earth is warm and so interesting all the way through.

[rossus]

Tolle is fantastic. A New Earth is just... it's beyond words. I feel that many enlightenment books like I AM THAT are cold, but A New Earth is warm and so interesting all the way through.
before i read I AM THAT i also read warm books,
which helped me get motivated. (diamond in your pocket for example)

but I AM THAT, helped me beyond needing help any longer.
something which the warm books didn't succeed in...
but perhaps it's not the fault of the warm books,
but the fault of me. (i suspect, a combination of both)



the reason i think I AM THAT is fantastic, is because it doesn't make the truth look "FLUFFY"....
it says it Plain and simple.... just how it is.

the thinking creates an imaginary hole, which feels like it needs to be filled.
and it thinks enlightenment will fill that hole, so it prefers the talk about enlightenment to be WARM... otherwise it will not be interested in it.

but enlightenment, will not fill that hole.
when you stop imagining............
you see there is no hole that needs to be filled. there is only fullness.
you see there is not a person to be made content... there is only contentment.
you see there is not a person that needs to become enlightened.... there is only enlightenment.


desire is a trap, desirelessness is liberation :)

[Anders Lindman]

All the spiritual teachers I have read so far offer such a shoddy form of enlightenment. As a minimal requirement I want my body to be rejuvenated, not to deteriorate by old age and then wither away and die like some animal. That totally sucks. So until someone can offer at least that, I'm not interested in their versions of enlightenment.

[rossus]

All the spiritual teachers I have read so far offer such a shoddy form of enlightenment. As a minimal requirement I want my body to be rejuvenated, not to deteriorate by old age and then wither away and die like some animal. That totally sucks. So until someone can offer at least that, I'm not interested in their versions of enlightenment.
ok cool.
i hope you reach the enlightenment you want.

i reached the enlightenment i wanted...
which is have a heart which is happy and full of love all the time,
no matter the absence of pleasure and presence of pain.

i don't care about dying, if I die now.. i'll die happily... :)

[Anders Lindman]

ok cool.
i hope you reach the enlightenment you want.

i reached the enlightenment i wanted...
which is have a heart which is happy and full of love all the time,
no matter the absence of pleasure and presence of pain.

i don't care about dying, if I die now.. i'll die happily... :)

I have found lot of the spiritual teachers' information very helpful, but they have not solved my current problem which is aging.

Bruce Lipton is a bit better in that area, because he has at least talked about aging as being a belief. When I examine myself I find that I HATE that belief. In fact, there is a possibility that it is the deeply rooted belief and conviction about aging that actually makes my body to slowly but steadily deteriorate.

[sunyatta60]

All the spiritual teachers I have read so far offer such a shoddy form of enlightenment. As a minimal requirement I want my body to be rejuvenated, not to deteriorate by old age and then wither away and die like some animal. That totally sucks. So until someone can offer at least that, I'm not interested in their versions of enlightenment.


The body you are in is not who you really are that is just part of the illusion created by your ego. The Truth is you are an immortal so you never do age because when clothed in your immortality you find there is no time thus ageing becomes impossible.

I Am That
You Are That
And That is All There Is.
Ancient Indian Guru

[Anders Lindman]

The body you are in is not who you really are that is just part of the illusion created by your ego. The Truth is you are an immortal so you never do age because when clothed in your immortality you find there is no time thus ageing becomes impossible.

I Am That
You Are That
And That is All There Is.
Ancient Indian Guru

Could be, but one has to walk the talk, i.e. one must ACTUALLY be able to reverse the aging of the body.

[rossus]

i guess there's nothing wrong with having a little fantasy of immortality.

as long as you know that you'll never be happy...
unless you want what is... and don't want what isn't.

whatever that is :p

i too have little fantasies i want to take care of...
such as learning people to make themselves happy...
make the world a better place.

but in the core of my being, i know that it all doesn't matter.
everything is, the way it is....
and if it is not, then it is not!

resistance to this truth, brings unhappiness...
acknowledging this truth, brings happiness :)

[Anders Lindman]

i guess there's nothing wrong with having a little fantasy of immortality.


I have examined the thought of immortality. My mind finds that idea spooky as hell. So my guess is that one has to proceed carefully when dealing with things like aging.

My current idea is to think about me having a limited lifespan, say around 90 years, but to see if it is possible to make my body grow younger instead of slowly deteriorating and only at the end of my lifespan quickly drop away.

[sunyatta60]

Could be, but one has to walk the talk, i.e. one must ACTUALLY be able to reverse the aging of the body.

Anders I am not talking about your physical body but your true immortal Spiritual body that is made of Light vibrating at the speed of light.

[Anders Lindman]

Anders I am not talking about your physical body but your true immortal Spiritual body that is made of Light vibrating at the speed of light.

I don't believe there is a separation between different bodies. My idea is that consciousness shines physical reality into being, similar to what David Icke has said. For example, past and future are real, but they exist now and only now and the entire past is created now! In zero seconds. When was the universe created? The answer: Now! When was I born? Now! :D (I do of course have a date of birth according to the Gregorian calendar, but the entire past all the way to the start of the Big Bang is zapped into being instantly moment by moment.)

[Anders Lindman]

I don't believe there is a separation between different bodies.

A better explanation is perhaps that my physical body I have now IS the light body, and it is virtually infinitely advanced. The same with the world. This universe IS the real deal. The problem is that we experience ourselves as separate crappy bodies, but that is only because we have not evolved enough yet. There is no 'afterlife' or 'previous life'. Those things I believe are total misunderstandings.

[Anders Lindman]

my physical body I have now IS the light body, and it is virtually infinitely advanced.

Wait a minute, my light body is bigger than that. My physical body is my first body, planet Earth is my second body, the Milky Way galaxy my third body and so on.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

So my body is very, very BIG! :D

[rossus]

I like how the Ashtavakra Gita (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=154420#post154420) puts it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~

Truly I am spotless and at peace, the awareness beyond natural causality. All this time I have been afflicted by delusion. 2.1

As I alone give light to this body, so I do to the world, As a result the whole world is mine, or alternatively nothing is. 2.2

How wonderful I am! Glory be to me! I who possess nothing at all, or alternatively possess everything that speech and mind can refer to. 2.14

I am like the ocean, and the multiplicity of objects is comparable to a wave. To know this is knowledge, and then there is neither renunciation, acceptance or cessation of it. 6.2

Alternatively, I am in all beings, and all beings are in me. To know this is knowledge, and then there is neither renunciation, acceptance or cessation of it. 6.4

[Anders Lindman]

Truly I am spotless and at peace, the awareness beyond natural causality. All this time I have been afflicted by delusion. 2.1

As I alone give light to this body, so I do to the world, As a result the whole world is mine, or alternatively nothing is. 2.2


This is very accurate I believe. Similar to what David Icke says, and check out the video clip about the Youniverse I posted above. The transparent sphere represents consciousness which "alone gives light to this body, so it does to the world" to paraphrase Ashtavakra Gita.

[razed1]

I enjoyed watching this video. I thought it explained things very well in quite
simple terms, which probably anybody could get to grips with.

But, the ending was disappointing, where he brings the quran into it, and
the 'allah creates it all' stuff.

Apart from that, excellent video.

why would let a word for god stop you from understanding the message


allah is just a word for god in another language

if the person had said "god" instead of allah, would you have had the same reaction???

[razed1]

I apologise sunyatta my posts last night were uncalled for, will listen to mr Tolle when im in a better frame of mind.

cheers razed, will do.

cheers dude

everyday is an uphill climb, cant stop, WONT STOP

[Anders Lindman]

This is very accurate I believe. Similar to what David Icke says, and check out the video clip about the Youniverse I posted above. The transparent sphere represents consciousness which "alone gives light to this body, so it does to the world" to paraphrase Ashtavakra Gita.

But one mistake we tend to make is to see material reality as 'bad' or 'flawed' and consciousness or Spirit as the pure and the good. Material reality is not something separate from Spirit. Material reality is as sacred as Spirit, for it IS Spirit.

So material reality and Spirit are the same thing, for example a material thing like sex is not only material as explained by Ken Wilber in this video:

Ken Wilber - Erogenous Zones of Life, Light, and Emptiness - YouTube

[sunyatta60]

I don't believe there is a separation between different bodies.

Well neither do I but the material body is just part of the illusion it is not who we really are. Who we really are is God for want of a better term we are Everything and Nothing at the same time.