Big Machines Parked In Orbit

[niftygifter]

This is an excellent summary of John Lenard Walsons video footage of the space stations discovered by him just beyond our planet.
I know these have been posted on here before, BUT, if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, you will then see what effect this is having on the military, because he is getting some serious hassle from the "Big Black Helicopters" and has some shots to prove it.hehehehe.:cool:

Good on him I reckon:D
We have a bloody RIGHT to know, it is OUR World as well:eek:
Well worth a visit

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm



Nifty:D

[client]

This is a great article, thanks for posting it. I note the mention of Gary McKinnon and his discovery of the Non-Terrestrial Officers list on pentagon computers. Is this the hard evidence that the US have military orbital outposts?

[them]

Buy an astronomical telescope, look over there for yourself, contemplate on what you see.

Then come back in here and start again.

I look up there all the time, I'd love to see something categorically extraterrestrial & not just BB.

BB Society (http://www.welford.org/bb.htm)

[hagbard_celine]

You know he's a forum member? He's thefallguy, usually seen hanging round the UFO board.

I saw him live in October and he was very interesting.

[them]

You know he's a forum member? He's thefallguy, usually seen hanging round the UFO board.

I saw him live in October and he was very interesting.

I will find him & politely request that he provide me with co-ordinates so I can view objects in near space of, categorically, extraterrestrial origin.

Thanks for the info Hagbard, how's George Dorn?

[hagbard_celine]

I will find him & politely request that he provide me with co-ordinates so I can view objects in near space of, categorically, extraterrestrial origin.

Thanks for the info Hagbard, how's George Dorn?


He's forgiven John Dillinger for trying to rape him!:D

I meant to watch all these vids but I've not put aside the time. I'll have to raise its priority status and see them. When I saw him live at the UK Probe conference last October I meant to ask him what the astronomical community thinks of this. If he can get pics like these from a home telescope you can imagine the detail a fully-equipped observatory could pick out!:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Are these machines in orbit? They could be much bigger objects a lot further away. :confused:

[them]

Are these machines in orbit? They could be much bigger objects a lot further away. :confused:

First line of the linked Rense article reads;

Big Machines Parked In Orbit

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm

[them]

Now look at this

http://www.microgravity.org.uk/Images/iss_top.jpeg
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/126502main_iss_assembly_lf1.jpg
http://popsci.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/iss.jpg

[hagbard_celine]

Well yes, some of those objcts do resemble the ISS.

But on another matter, according to thefallgy's live speech, if I recall correctly, some of these objects look the same from many different places on Earth; this means that they can't be in earth orbit. If they were they'd appear in different parts of the sky depending on where you were on Earth; and they'd move like satelites do. Are some of these anomalies actually like real stars: they are at a fixed point in the heavens?

If you're reading this, fallguy, please respond.

[friendsinthesky]

Who/what is taking pictures of satelites? Maybe they could turn the camera around and take quality close-up snaps of the moon? Or they have something to hide?

[de_shit]

"What you are about to see is quite remarkable. It seems that some of the stars above us are not stars at all...as you shall see. A young man by the name of John Lenard Walson has discovered a new way to extend the capabilities of small telescopes and has been able to achieve optical resolutions - at almost the diffraction limit - not commonly achievable. With this new-found ability, he has proceeded to videotape, night and day, many strange and heretofore unseen objects in earth orbit. The resulting astrophotographic video footage has revealed a raft of machines, hardware, satellites, spacecraft and possibly space ships which otherwise appear as 'stars'...if they appear at all."

I STATED BEFORE that the stars are space ships. I TOLD YOU GUYS! Now do you believe me? You guys should've at least tried to understand what I was saying back then a month ago maybe. Months ago I thought it up.

I want to be harassed by Chinook helicopters too. No fair to Leonard.

[de_shit]

Heres my thread on this subject that was made prior to the film:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12065
When was the post made? 17-10-2007, 08:14 AM

[milone]

I'm still not convinced that those "blurry" pics are actually showing me anything.

[thefallguy]

Well yes, some of those objcts do resemble the ISS.

But on another matter, according to thefallgy's live speech, if I recall correctly, some of these objects look the same from many different places on Earth; this means that they can't be in earth orbit. If they were they'd appear in different parts of the sky depending on where you were on Earth; and they'd move like satelites do. Are some of these anomalies actually like real stars: they are at a fixed point in the heavens?

If you're reading this, fallguy, please respond.

Hi, you're correct in what you say. This new video is the middle star of Orion's Belt(or what we see of it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hD0DZgIr8w

GK AKA thefallguy

[de_shit]

Dude I support what you are doing man. Keep up the good work.

[hagbard_celine]

Hi, you're correct in what you say. This new video is the middle star of Orion's Belt(or what we see of it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hD0DZgIr8w

GK AKA thefallguy

Yes, I thought that was what you told us at Probe! Thanks for getting back to us on this thread, mate. If that's in the position of Orion's belt then it's many light-years from Earth. If you can make out its shape with a telescope then just imagine how big it must be!:eek:


WTF is it!?:eek:

[thefallguy]

Hi, I look forward to talking with you personally at the next one!

I'm tired of all the internet lies now and need some sort of a holiday. The reason I post here under thefallguy is so that the internet (nsa or whatever)stalkers don't follow me here.

I really hope we can film something special in time for christmas using a 12" Meade rather than the usual 8". I will let you know here first as I will be staying here over christmas.

GK.

p.s. thanks de_shit for your encouragement.

[hagbard_celine]

I'll be at the next Probe conference in March, Ishk'Allah. See you then.

[milone]

Could they not be pics of any of the thousands of satellites orbiting earth?

[djpad34]

i found this by doing a google search for the guys name of who is doing the footage

http://www.interstellar-themovie.com/

payper view movie of the footage comming soon could just be hype to sell this movie

[gold]

Don't mean to go off topic here, but isn't it a coincidence that Led Zeppelins new album is called 'Mothership' Could they be telling us something??

[neon]

Don't mean to go off topic here, but isn't it a coincidence that Led Zeppelins new album is called 'Mothership' Could they be telling us something??

Of course man, they play games in front of our faces.

[gold]

Of course man, they play games in front of our faces.

No need for crystal balls then:D:D

[niftygifter]

Hi, I look forward to talking with you personally at the next one!

I'm tired of all the internet lies now and need some sort of a holiday. The reason I post here under thefallguy is so that the internet (nsa or whatever)stalkers don't follow me here.

I really hope we can film something special in time for christmas using a 12" Meade rather than the usual 8". I will let you know here first as I will be staying here over christmas.

GK.

p.s. thanks de_shit for your encouragement.

Hey Fallguy,
You HAVE to take a break from all this, we all do:cool:
There is a lot of deliberate disinfo put out and it confuses everyone, ties them up and basicallly makes them very anxious. Its kinda like psychic attack on your heart:mad:
Take some time out from it and relax.
But in the same context, enjoy the new MEAD!!!



Top posting, confirms the close presence of our Galactic Neighbours and also ties in with a potential "meet the neighbours" scenario when the timing is right:eek:

Nifty:D

[hagbard_celine]

Could they not be pics of any of the thousands of satellites orbiting earth?


Maybe some of them are, but thefallguy has found objects that are too distant to be in Earth orbit.

[peachped]

Mystery Space Machines Above - Pt 2

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm

On the second picture down,the 'machine' looks like it has windows!

[gold]

I think they maybe calling it a death star to hoodwink us, if you go onto the Daily Mail, Technology section, it tells you about Starwars, The Death star! could this be your machine, or Just a coincidence? Sorry I'm not very clued up on the stars!

Sorry, I haven't got the hang of linking yet! It never works for me! I must be doing something wrong.

[peachped]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_page_id=1965&in_article_id=503173

click - insert link ..

right click in the url box ..

click paste.

Hello gold.

I don't think it's death star that this chap is looking at and filming.

In one film clip he claimed that one of these 'machines' was the middle star from orion's belt! :eek:

[gold]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_page_id=1965&in_article_id=503173

click - insert link ..

right click in the url box ..

click paste.

Hello gold.

I don't think it's death star that this chap is looking at and filming.

In one film clip he claimed that one of these 'machines' was the middle star from orion's belt! :eek:

Thanks peachped:)

[friendsinthesky]

Mystery Space Machines Above - Pt 2

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm

On the second picture down,the 'machine' looks like it has windows!


Now the publicity machine 'rense' has gone into top gear. Why did John Lenard Walson team up with rense, or hasn't he and rense just make it seem as though he has.

I don't like the representation from rense. (my own opinion)


Edit: What's with the helicopter footage anyway's? If the army were bothered, well , I'm sure they could do alot more than - fly by's.

[stargazer]

Now the publicity machine 'rense' has gone into top gear. Why did John Lenard Walson team up with rense, or hasn't he and rense just make it seem as though he has.

I don't like the representation from rense. (my own opinion)


Edit: What's with the helicopter footage anyway's? If the army were bothered, well , I'm sure they could do alot more than - fly by's.

What is wrong with rense? I don't want to poke you, just curious.
I've read both articles and they seem ok.

[friendsinthesky]

What is wrong with rense? I don't want to poke you, just curious.
I've read both articles and they seem ok.

..maybe thefallguy could shed some light on the rense deal.

[stargazer]

..maybe thefallguy could shed some light on the rense deal.

Sill...Why did you call rense "publicity machine"?
Again, nothing but curiosity :)

[stargazer]

Hi, I look forward to talking with you personally at the next one!

I'm tired of all the internet lies now and need some sort of a holiday. The reason I post here under thefallguy is so that the internet (nsa or whatever)stalkers don't follow me here.

I really hope we can film something special in time for christmas using a 12" Meade rather than the usual 8". I will let you know here first as I will be staying here over christmas.

GK.

p.s. thanks de_shit for your encouragement.

Hi,

nice videos of things in space man :)

Could you please tell me(assuming you know or anyone else knows) how to modify the telescope - read somewhere that it had to be modified in order to observe these objects. Is it as simple as buying a camera for telescope.

I was thinking of buying telescope with camera, after seeing this vids. :)

[friendsinthesky]

Sill...Why did you call rense "publicity machine"?
Again, nothing but curiosity :)


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http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm






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[friendsinthesky]

I'm tired of all the internet lies now and need some sort of a holiday. The reason I post here under thefallguy is so that the internet (nsa or whatever)stalkers don't follow me here.
GK.



Hi there fallguy. So, you do all the editing for John Walson? Can you tell us what we are seeing? Are you suggesting that all stars are not real? Just like de_shit suspects? The videos are fascinating BUT more info is needed, can you fill our hunger please.:D

[de_shit]

I think that not all of the stars are real. The ones that I saw move, were a minority, a good 5 or 6 stars at any given time that moved, and grouped, and stopped and chilled for a while and then continued to move and chill. I saw some pictures on rense of the parked shit in the sky and I didn't see those things, but just orb looking shit, that moved. If it wasn't for my glasses I wouldn't have seen them at all. :)

[djpad34]

http://www.tbln.com/ its all thier on pay per con
view

big machines parked in orbit so why the big secret why not let everybody have the info on how to set the cam up on a scope ?

lots of peeps talk the big talk of lets get the info out bla bla bla but always a catch filmmaker Jose Escamilla, titled simply, "Interstellar", Mr. Escamilla claims to provide half an hour of "live" footage recorded directly through Mr. Walson's contraption. The images are incredible and shocking, to say the least. If the footage is real, this could be the biggest discovery in history. They claim these starships are orbiting earth at varying distances; some in very deep space and others closer than I dare to imagine


If this guy has really discoverd something big then why is he not sharing it ?

THE apparatus IS currently being submitted for a patent by the United States PTO. this information will be revealed in the next movie "Interstellar II" LOL MORE CASH

Why not at least tell people where in the sky to find these things, and leave his "ubber secret" device for detecting them hidden?

http://www.astronomycameras.com/img/samples/fiedler01_zoom.jpg?sid=38db6f70759fc8fcfa2330a583b 582ff

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07376/JL.Walson.gif



Coincidence? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6975961.stm

1 OH YES YOU CAN SEE IT BUT U HAVE TO PAY !
2 OH YES SOME GUY DID IT WITH HIS TELESCOPE BUT ! CANT SHOW HOW TO LET EVERYBODY DO SAME
3 GIVE A FEW SNIPPITS ON YOUTUBE AND OTHER SITES OF VIDEO CLIPS
4 GET PEOPLE SUCKERD IN
5 MAKE UM PAY FOR IT
6 START AGAIN FOR NEXT MONEY MAKIN SCHEME
7 TALK ABOUT CARROTS ON A STICK

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/1217/Interstellar/

[the_count]

http://www.tbln.com/ its all thier on pay per con
view

big machines parked in orbit so why the big secret why not let everybody have the info on how to set the cam up on a scope ?

lots of peeps talk the big talk of lets get the info out bla bla bla but always a catch filmmaker Jose Escamilla, titled simply, "Interstellar", Mr. Escamilla claims to provide half an hour of "live" footage recorded directly through Mr. Walson's contraption. The images are incredible and shocking, to say the least. If the footage is real, this could be the biggest discovery in history. They claim these starships are orbiting earth at varying distances; some in very deep space and others closer than I dare to imagine


If this guy has really discoverd something big then why is he not sharing it ?

THE apparatus IS currently being submitted for a patent by the United States PTO. this information will be revealed in the next movie "Interstellar II" LOL MORE CASH

Why not at least tell people where in the sky to find these things, and leave his "ubber secret" device for detecting them hidden?

http://www.astronomycameras.com/img/samples/fiedler01_zoom.jpg?sid=38db6f70759fc8fcfa2330a583b 582ff

http://xs119.xs.to/xs119/07376/JL.Walson.gif



Coincidence? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6975961.stm

1 OH YES YOU CAN SEE IT BUT U HAVE TO PAY !
2 OH YES SOME GUY DID IT WITH HIS TELESCOPE BUT ! CANT SHOW HOW TO LET EVERYBODY DO SAME
3 GIVE A FEW SNIPPITS ON YOUTUBE AND OTHER SITES OF VIDEO CLIPS
4 GET PEOPLE SUCKERD IN
5 MAKE UM PAY FOR IT
6 START AGAIN FOR NEXT MONEY MAKIN SCHEME
7 TALK ABOUT CARROTS ON A STICK

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/1217/Interstellar/

Totally agree, i think this stinks of greed, if you or i was to stumble upon a discovery of this magnitude, surely you would want the whole world to see it for themselves ? and for free !
Wasn't Jose Escamilla the man behind the dubious Rods phenomenon ?

[djpad34]

hell yes if i filmed a live ufo contact on my cam i would not want to sell the footaged id want to make sure all the right channels got it to get it around the world as quick as possible fuk the money get the truth out

yes by all means make a few quid once a true story was out by selling to papers etc
but the evidence for somthing off this world or on this world or whatever should come free ! simple


some fuker would be selling the end of the world on payperview the day that comes lol

ring side seat on BOX OFFICE CHANNEL 909 £19-99 with option to watch rerun should you survive next day

[de_shit]

How do people usually get around buying a movie? They download it off of a BitTorrent site. Have someone buy the movie, then put it up on a BitTorrent site for people to download. Problem solved. Ive bootlegged many movies off of BitTorrent. Azureus is my BitTorrent client. Its adware free and is open source.http://azureus.sourceforge.net/

[geronimo]

Maybe some of them are, but thefallguy has found objects that are too distant to be in Earth orbit.

Looking at four pages or so of these objects on rense.com. Interested to know what special treatment/conditions he applies to his telescope to get the enhanced viewing capability. Judging by the large helicopters flying low over his house, someone is not very happy about it.
I was interested to see that these objects are quite complex and largely assymetric, although there are clear indications of machine-like structures. Hi-tech satellites? Space stations? off-world craft? A mixture of all three? The scale could be misleading. Are they larger than they look?

geronimo

[hagbard_celine]

Looking at four pages or so of these objects on rense.com. Interested to know what special treatment/conditions he applies to his telescope to get the enhanced viewing capability. Judging by the large helicopters flying low over his house, someone is not very happy about it.
I was interested to see that these objects are quite complex and largely assymetric, although there are clear indications of machine-like structures. Hi-tech satellites? Space stations? off-world craft? A mixture of all three? The scale could be misleading. Are they larger than they look?

geronimo

He doesn't actually mention a specdific scale. What he does say is that one of the major stars of Orion is one of these things. (Sorry about the typoes, but I'm a bit drunk:o)

[megafish33]

I saw the video of them with sound... maybe their space bugs? Three looked like grasshoppers... giant grasshoppers. :)

They will probably get close, take a survey, say "fuck it," and leave before anyone notices. lol :p

[thefallguy]

i found this by doing a google search for the guys name of who is doing the footage

http://www.interstellar-themovie.com/

payper view movie of the footage comming soon could just be hype to sell this movie

John Lenard Walson has nothing to do with this movie. There is hours more footage for free on blip.tv and youtube. Enjoy the freeness!

[thefallguy]

Don't mean to go off topic here, but isn't it a coincidence that Led Zeppelins new album is called 'Mothership' Could they be telling us something??

Synchronicity my friend.

I also check the mayan calendar and the galactic consciosness cycle started at the begining of August 2007, the same time we started to upload this space footage. GK.

[thefallguy]

Hey Fallguy,
You HAVE to take a break from all this, we all do:cool:
There is a lot of deliberate disinfo put out and it confuses everyone, ties them up and basicallly makes them very anxious. Its kinda like psychic attack on your heart:mad:
Take some time out from it and relax.
But in the same context, enjoy the new MEAD!!!



Top posting, confirms the close presence of our Galactic Neighbours and also ties in with a potential "meet the neighbours" scenario when the timing is right:eek:

Nifty:D

Thankyou, I did take a small break and have many new videos which will counter act some of these attacks. Some of the recent accusations against John and I are very serious and thankfully they are not true. I'll upload some videos shortly after I've been all through the thread.

GK.

[thefallguy]

I think they maybe calling it a death star to hoodwink us, if you go onto the Daily Mail, Technology section, it tells you about Starwars, The Death star! could this be your machine, or Just a coincidence? Sorry I'm not very clued up on the stars!

Sorry, I haven't got the hang of linking yet! It never works for me! I must be doing something wrong.

Maybe both.

[thefallguy]

Now the publicity machine 'rense' has gone into top gear. Why did John Lenard Walson team up with rense, or hasn't he and rense just make it seem as though he has.

I don't like the representation from rense. (my own opinion)


Edit: What's with the helicopter footage anyway's? If the army were bothered, well , I'm sure they could do alot more than - fly by's.

This goes above the army.
Rense showed some of John's earlier ufo footage on his site several years ago. Rense is the only site to have taken us seriously. There are only two forums where this has happend also and this is one of them. I have heard many different rumors about rense over the years but have never seen any evidence myself of anything dodgy there.
All I am interested in is the truth and the welfare / well being of mankind.
Galactic Consciousness has arrived at the door and is knocking hard.

[thefallguy]

Hi there fallguy. So, you do all the editing for John Walson? Can you tell us what we are seeing? Are you suggesting that all stars are not real? Just like de_shit suspects? The videos are fascinating BUT more info is needed, can you fill our hunger please.:D

I still can't work out whether A. the stars aren't real thus the objects are cloaked behind some kind of 3d low vibratory projection which we then see due to our limited sense of sight. B. They are in front of the stars and are at various distances from the earth. C. I still don't 100% know. Got some new videos coming today.

[thefallguy]

hell yes if i filmed a live ufo contact on my cam i would not want to sell the footaged id want to make sure all the right channels got it to get it around the world as quick as possible fuk the money get the truth out

yes by all means make a few quid once a true story was out by selling to papers etc
but the evidence for somthing off this world or on this world or whatever should come free ! simple


some fuker would be selling the end of the world on payperview the day that comes lol

ring side seat on BOX OFFICE CHANNEL 909 £19-99 with option to watch rerun should you survive next day

I agree with you.
I am not here to discuss the matter of pay per view and the companies and names ascociated with that film. I have moved on and would appreciate it if others would too. All it does is give them the advertising they desire to make money off other peoples work, which is already free. There's hours of extra footage on youtube and blip tv.

Thankyou,

GK.

[thefallguy]

farther down the page are the newest ones just uploaded with older ones at the top.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXhivlDLnRE (John)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmW6flaeI-0 (John)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_uiRyxZUS8 (GK)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMSM1y75Og http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcr1CWff7q4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9GzNMw8Pgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6XroLiUSt8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ_IM5srSvM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os9FMy2KFuI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnuTK9MJ500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jADNnn7vQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6n87iOD3Rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ShgjrtS3_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI908glXeE4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AC0tuhOlWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qThi-Y5Jv7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSXPM53Cx_8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk5JAIJ_nwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8-67yLl2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKrR1jhw34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQsCCQm59RU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25enJIcWC5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIkMoMzerUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcCL8LRV_Vk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ynipz82xU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1HPfw0aGO8

enjoy!

[king triad]

The truth is here....

[niftygifter]

More TOP STUFF GK.:D:D
Thanks for the images.

Man some serious shit going on up above:cool:


Nifty:eek::eek:

[thefallguy]

Hi, thanks. Just to let you know that I'm not John. I edit most of the videos etc.. for him. I have many other videos on youtube regarding other subjects.

GK.

[thefallguy]

These are the latest additions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giHTnh5xbU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6gK6diSj8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46j0amwHsB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KBW4UAolY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEZ_McQE3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekk2G7V8V-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbdfQoRm7vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzuC3BytbfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffW7fM6mdLc

These two are a bit off topic but the first one is part of the evidence which proves that I'm not JLW, many people on the net are purposely saying that we are one person when we are not.

The second one is about mind energy/chi/tachion/prana/the god particle or whatever one would like to call it. Some of you may find this one quite interesting. enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6inOSp-O-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFqcAMeeZ28

[thefallguy]

Comments from Cambridge.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iPyzQVTqeCQ

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgZIpFSuhQ

[thefallguy]

Here are this weeks additions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi8fB9iOReQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZgAlnSJAOg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVg36MiEbKM

[thefallguy]

New Space UFO Objects January 2008 / tranformer ufo at end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiWoCQfXr84

[ooparticleoo]

The burning questions , which many have asked and you have not addressed are :

WHY have you not disclosed the configuration of the equipment taking these images

WHY have you not disclosed the astro coordinates of their locations

Credibility is sincerely lacking in the absence of answers to these questions

We all look forward to your explanation for the secrecy surrounding the method used

[thefallguy]

I've already told people many many times where some of these things are and i still get asked. there are many locations in some of the videos, i put them in there so I don't have to keep telling people. Example: vega, plough, orion's belt, these are very good places to start and I don't mean the general area I mean exactly where i have just pointed out.

Now everyone wants to know including all security agencies globally. That changes the situation dramatically, something which I don't expect anyone to understand. The truth behind this is mind blowingly massive, so for now I remain neutral. I have also never claimed to know exactly what these things are. I would like to know just as much as the next man. All I know is that they are there. Whether people believe that is not currently as important as just presenting the footage to the public for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpnV63b7uU

[ooparticleoo]

The questions are VERY SIMPLE

WHY have you not disclosed the configuration of the equipment taking these images

WHY have you not disclosed the astro coordinates of their locations

THIS is not an answer



I've already told people many many times where some of these things are and i still get asked. there are many locations in some of the videos, i put them in there so I don't have to keep telling people. Example: vega, plough, orion's belt, these are very good places to start and I don't mean the general area I mean exactly where i have just pointed out.

Now everyone wants to know including all security agencies globally. That changes the situation dramatically, something which I don't expect anyone to understand. The truth behind this is mind blowingly massive, so for now I remain neutral. I have also never claimed to know exactly what these things are. I would like to know just as much as the next man. All I know is that they are there. Whether people believe that is not currently as important as just presenting the footage to the public for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPpnV63b7uU

Dont try patronising people with statements like I don't expect anyone to understand.

Just answer the questions and allow the individual to assess their own degree
of comprehension

AGAIN

The questions are VERY SIMPLE

WHY have you not disclosed the configuration of the equipment taking these images

WHY have you not disclosed the astro coordinates of their locations

[kashmirz]

i say sit back and look at what you know... walk with me...


99% of the time, when the public has access to something its 10 years later after the military has invented/used it and the blueprints are de commissioned, this we can all agree on.

So if virgin atlantic are now developing spacecraft to ferry the elite through space, as discussed here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18462 one can intelligently assume that the military has a much more developed secret space program and whats more their is a huge likelihood of them having other stations in orbit.

Why?

don't think about conspiracy's, don't think of ridiculous ideas, simply be logical

the military would never allow a private corporation to do such a thing, had they not done it first and given them the tick of approval, REGARDLESS of the fact that the corporations are all puppets.

now im not really sure if this particular man is correct i would need to check his mo, however what i think anyone can agree on is that given this NEW piece of information about virgin atlantic (virgin atlantis) it is highly plausible that they already have more going on in space, in terms of craft, stations etc.

If your reading this, and you have never looked at the works of michael tsarion, i would strongly advise you to do so, because if you understand the meaning of the name virgin atlantic (virgin atlantis) and what that means, and you then understand the major symbolic meaning of a craft such as this going into space. that in ITSELF is disturbingly amazing

[godspeed]

a friend of mine mentioned this to me a few years ago while stargazing together as in what if they are just telling us they are stars -but are really parked ufo's....at the time it shook me deeply like a reality attack and quite frightening thought mate.....but now i say to him well done dave and that was without a telescope.....wow...can we have some more of these vids

[ooparticleoo]

The questions are VERY SIMPLE

WHY have you not disclosed the configuration of the equipment taking these images

WHY have you not disclosed the astro coordinates of their locations



Well the silence speaks volumes .........................................:rolleyes :

[brett]

If I were in his position, I would let EVERYONE know the co-ordinates, Type of Telescope (Reflector or Refractor), size of Mirror or Lens, and Magnitude Required (x400, x800?), for a decent view!!

Also, the Focal Length could be added for the optimum F Stop (F1.4 to F11, perhaps), for an SLR Camera....

[thefallguy]

The questions are VERY SIMPLE

WHY have you not disclosed the configuration of the equipment taking these images

WHY have you not disclosed the astro coordinates of their locations

THIS is not an answer


Dont try patronising people with statements like

Just answer the questions and allow the individual to assess their own degree
of comprehension

AGAIN

I'm not patronising you or anyone else. You clearly don't understand and that is why you keep on asking me the question. I'm not here to feed anyone's ego and I'm certainly not the one who's going to tell anyone how to do it. Why can't people rspect that when that's the bottom line. Currently that's the way it is. Please understand that.

peace,

Gridkeeper.

[thefallguy]

Well the silence speaks volumes .........................................:rolleyes :

There are videos which show the locations of some of these objects. Try looking at Vega for example. Why judge someones silence? I live on a planet with free will like the rest.

As for the equipment, it's no secret that an 8" meade telescope is used along with a wide range of video cams and digital cameras. One hint to obtain clear images from a digital camera is to remove the lense out of the front casing to expose the ccd chip. this removes digital zoom from the equation allowing you to use the optical zoom which now shows a clearer image due to the removal of the lense.

Here is an example: The oms data on screen shows the zoom bar at the top which is divided into two sections. The section on the left is for digital and the right for optical. As the lense has been removed the red indicator, whos default setting is to the left end of the bar, now jumps straight to the optical part of the bar when zoom is used. The zoom used in this film is x3 optical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk5JAIJ_nwc

related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8-67yLl2s

peace,

Gridkeeper.

[ooparticleoo]

I'm not patronising you or anyone else. You clearly don't understand and that is why you keep on asking me the question. I'm not here to feed anyone's ego and I'm certainly not the one who's going to tell anyone how to do it. Why can't people rspect that when that's the bottom line. Currently that's the way it is. Please understand that.

peace,

Gridkeeper.


What exactly is it that you suggest I dont understand ?

- the assumption that GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES want your secret BUT
are powerless to coerce you into complying ?:rolleyes:

- that your videos have been broadcast across the net for sometime BUT no
other amateur astronomer has the wit to verify your claims :confused::rolleyes:

-that the TRUTH BEHIND IT ALL IS MINDBLOWINGLY MASSIVE - BUT you
claim to be in ignorance :confused::rolleyes:


I could go on .....................:)

What YOU dont seem to understand is your audience is far more sophisticated than you have anticipated and if you are going to make claims of this nature then you are going to have to provide verifiable proof of method to be taken seriously.

YOUR second post makes some effort in describing the method used but falls well short of an acceptable answer, only to be undermined by ludicrous ignorance -

remove the lense out of the front casing to expose the ccd chip. this removes digital zoom from the equation allowing you to use the optical zoom

Please dont make the mistake of labeling me as a troll or an aggressive skeptic, far from it , its just I am not prepared to accept on faith something
that can/should be provable by peer review.

It's a case of "put up or shut up", there are far to many distractions veiling
the truth already

IF you genuinely believe what you are proposing then -

EXPLAIN your inability to submit to open peer review - FULL DISCLOSURE -

I'll be more than happy to eat my hat should your claims stand up to independent scrutiny

[john67]

Shit Simon (GK) you are getting enough shit about your blurred pics of iss and sattell ites on other forums, I thought they had been proved fake on the forums you have been banned from?

[thefallguy]

Shit Simon (GK) you are getting enough shit about your blurred pics of iss and sattell ites on other forums, I thought they had been proved fake on the forums you have been banned from?

Only banned from one forum and you know it, ats and they claimed to have proved shit about any of this. The way they handled it is a complete farce.
I'm not Simon I'm Gridkeeper and if you can't work that out don't bother at all.

[thefallguy]

What exactly is it that you suggest I dont understand ?

- the assumption that GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES want your secret BUT
are powerless to coerce you into complying ?:rolleyes:

- that your videos have been broadcast across the net for sometime BUT no
other amateur astronomer has the wit to verify your claims :confused::rolleyes:

-that the TRUTH BEHIND IT ALL IS MINDBLOWINGLY MASSIVE - BUT you
claim to be in ignorance :confused::rolleyes:


I could go on .....................:)

What YOU dont seem to understand is your audience is far more sophisticated than you have anticipated and if you are going to make claims of this nature then you are going to have to provide verifiable proof of method to be taken seriously.

YOUR second post makes some effort in describing the method used but falls well short of an acceptable answer, only to be undermined by ludicrous ignorance -



Please dont make the mistake of labeling me as a troll or an aggressive skeptic, far from it , its just I am not prepared to accept on faith something
that can/should be provable by peer review.

It's a case of "put up or shut up", there are far to many distractions veiling
the truth already

IF you genuinely believe what you are proposing then -

EXPLAIN your inability to submit to open peer review - FULL DISCLOSURE -

I'll be more than happy to eat my hat should your claims stand up to independent scrutiny

Cool I accept that.

[drakul]

What exactly is it that you suggest I dont understand ?

- the assumption that GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES want your secret BUT
are powerless to coerce you into complying ?:rolleyes:

- that your videos have been broadcast across the net for sometime BUT no
other amateur astronomer has the wit to verify your claims :confused::rolleyes:

-that the TRUTH BEHIND IT ALL IS MINDBLOWINGLY MASSIVE - BUT you
claim to be in ignorance :confused::rolleyes:

I could go on .....................:)

What YOU dont seem to understand is your audience is far more sophisticated than you have anticipated and if you are going to make claims of this nature then you are going to have to provide verifiable proof of method to be taken seriously.

YOUR second post makes some effort in describing the method used but falls well short of an acceptable answer, only to be undermined by ludicrous ignorance -

Please dont make the mistake of labeling me as a troll or an aggressive skeptic, far from it , its just I am not prepared to accept on faith something
that can/should be provable by peer review.

It's a case of "put up or shut up", there are far to many distractions veiling
the truth already

IF you genuinely believe what you are proposing then -

EXPLAIN your inability to submit to open peer review - FULL DISCLOSURE -

I'll be more than happy to eat my hat should your claims stand up to independent scrutiny

`FULL DISCLOSURE' - You want everything handed to you on a silver platter? - `Give me those coordinates NOW' (stamps foot)

Have you made any effort to test this yourself by simply going out on a clear starry night and looked at the sky?

If so what did you see?

Or maybe you live in an area where you can't see stars clearly?

I have been noticing for YEARS (with the naked eye), apparently winged objects in the sky which don't look like stars but seem to be part of the cosmos. Some of these objects appear larger than say Venus and are very bright. Some even have red lights at the bottom. I've pointed them out to other members of my family and they have noticed the red (tail?) lights too. The lights come up over the eastern horizon in the evening, just like stars. What are they? I don't know - but these lights are clearly different from the stars I am used to seeing and I noted this years ago.

So why not check it out for yourself?

[drakul]

Now I'm excited to get a telescope at look at these strange lights more clearly.

[thefallguy]

Hi, if you get a scope I'd recommend an 8" meade or higher.

This was filmed today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5C0XK-JJFo

[drakul]

Hi, if you get a scope I'd recommend an 8" meade or higher.

This was filmed today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5C0XK-JJFo


Is a Meade the easiest telescope to use???

We had a $300 computerized/digital telescope previously but it was just too complicated. We never really got any use out of it. I need something powerful but very user-friendly.

[phreedom]

Perhaps they're "StarGates"

[ooparticleoo]

`FULL DISCLOSURE' - You want everything handed to you on a silver platter? - `Give me those coordinates NOW' (stamps foot)

Have you made any effort to test this yourself by simply going out on a clear starry night and looked at the sky?

If so what did you see?

Or maybe you live in an area where you can't see stars clearly?


So why not check it out for yourself?

Are you suggesting that asking for some verification of extraordinary claims
is somehow petulant ?

For your clarification - I am not attempting to debunk the idea of non- terrestrial craft but attempting to demonstrate that blind acceptance is
not the way to the truth

If someone makes claims of this magnitude and withholds their method ,
the first question should be WHY

My suggestion was - in order to be taken seriously submisssion to
PEER REVIEW is the way forward .

Do you understand that that requires full disclosure for evaluation ?

Many conclusions could be drawn (erroneous or not) from somebodies reluctance to demonstrate the method used to obtain their claims

Surely a discovery of these proportions should be scrutinized for authenticity
not accepted at face value

And YES I have seen the sky - BIG isn't it

[drakul]

Are you suggesting that asking for some verification of extraordinary claims
is somehow petulant ?

For your clarification - I am not attempting to debunk the idea of non- terrestrial craft but attempting to demonstrate that blind acceptance is
not the way to the truth

If someone makes claims of this magnitude and withholds their method ,
the first question should be WHY

My suggestion was - in order to be taken seriously submisssion to
PEER REVIEW is the way forward .

Do you understand that that requires full disclosure for evaluation ?

Many conclusions could be drawn (erroneous or not) from somebodies reluctance to demonstrate the method used to obtain their claims

Surely a discovery of these proportions should be scrutinized for authenticity
not accepted at face value

And YES I have seen the sky - BIG isn't it

You are twisting my words. I never said I accept anything per se - I said this piques my curiosity because I have been noticing the same strange lights in the sky for years now, with just the naked eye. I said we are so interested in this we plan to buy another telescope to check it out independently, which everyone should do no matter what.

And I am sure you have `SEEN THE SKY'. What kind of an answer is that? It's not an answer at all, you are just slithering around my question. You are asking for exact co-ordinates - Every night I see between 5-7 of these strange lights which are not shaped liked stars and are too big to be satellites. They always come up in the same places on the horizon. I do live in a semirural area so the night sky can be stunningly clear here. Maybe you don't? If not then get thee to a mountaintop and see for yourself.

[ooparticleoo]

You are twisting my words. I never said I accept anything per se - I said this piques my curiosity because I have been noticing the same strange lights in the sky for years now, with just the naked eye. I said we are so interested in this we plan to buy another telescope to check it out independently, which everyone should do no matter what.

And I am sure you have `SEEN THE SKY'. What kind of an answer is that? It's not an answer at all, you are just slithering around my question. You are asking for exact co-ordinates -

You Sir, quite obviously have an issue of some kind ,
firstly you interject in a dialog between thefallguy and myself , immediately stating -
You want everything handed to you on a silver platter

when the question asked was WHY there is no disclosure NOT "i must have"

You are twisting my words.

May I recommend that read the thread again (perhaps a little slower)
and decide who is actually twisting words

As far as your question

Have you made any effort to test this yourself by simply going out on a clear starry night and looked at the sky?


Enlighten me as to how I may test this for myself WITHOUT the technical
equipment and coordinates being used to produce these images

I have been noticing for YEARS (with the naked eye)

Whatever you think you may have seen, I sincerely doubt these are the same
objects that are being recorded in the pictures being discussed ,

As for provocative statements such as

you are just slithering around my question

No I'm not avoiding a direct answer , Yes I see the sky and yes to me IT IS BIG hence the need for for scientific optics in order to make distant things
visible and if your talking about something specific then you need accurate
directions in order to locate it (coordinates)

get thee to a mountaintop and see for yourself.

No mountain on earth is tall enough for you to get significantly closer as to compare with using a powerful telescope

I think maybe its time for you to reassess your sense of perspective

[drakul]

Oooops - well exscuuuse me. (smiles). hope you're not too broken-hearted about the way I `cut-in' to respond to your intemperant demanding rant. I was under the impression this was a open board. If you only want Fall Guy to answer then send him a Private Message (hint hint) otherwise be prepared.

[ooparticleoo]

otherwise be prepared.

Meaning what exactly ?

I couldn't help noticing the paucity of comment regarding the subject in question in your last post

Is it perhaps that your mouth engaged before checking with your brain that your comprehension level matches the requirements ?

Do yourself a favour and save the threats for the playground

I was under the impression this was a open board

Your right, this means that everybody can see what a TWAT your making of
yourself

[thefallguy]

This was filmed today using the same telescope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBnNiROWEfI

[ooparticleoo]

This was filmed today using the same telescope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBnNiROWEfI

Heres a good target for your new t'scope

http://www.livescience.com/space/sci...oid-flyby.html

NASA DATA (ephemeris)

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?CGISESSID=3d8a0dff51c8cb133abf22c33ce 2e63f#results
if it dosn't display -
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?find_body=1&body_group=sb&sstr=2007%20TU24
hit the button marked ephemeris

Thanks to Zedd for the original link

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18643

[lookfar]

Hi guys

Can we please stop with the personal insults on this thread & keep on topic :)

Wow GK, some very interesting vids here, cool stuff!:cool::D

[thefallguy]

Heres a good target for your new t'scope

http://www.livescience.com/space/sci...oid-flyby.html

NASA DATA (ephemeris)

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?CGISESSID=3d8a0dff51c8cb133abf22c33ce 2e63f#results
if it dosn't display -
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?find_body=1&body_group=sb&sstr=2007%20TU24
hit the button marked ephemeris

Thanks to Zedd for the original link

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18643

Thanks, on the case. Have you seen the Comet Holmes footage which John filmed yet?

[thefallguy]

This just shows some pictures of recent objects filmed this month with some gamma, contrast and brightness adjustments. In the inverted video clip at the end of the film watch the bottom of the main object VERY closely i.e. do not take your eyes off it and you will see something quite remarkable. If anyone doesn't know what I mean let me know.

cheers,

GK


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29hYjcZ0-ew

[ooparticleoo]

Thanks, on the case. Have you seen the Comet Holmes footage which John filmed yet?

Not seen it - post up a link and I'll check it out :)

[thefallguy]

Comet Holmes Videos


http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9FC380985AB44C0C

[thefallguy]

One can see how the quality of capture has improved from the begining.

Introduction Video (cue cheesy music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_EvLnRvIg


Big Machines in Orbit? 44 VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4E8595A7D1D9FAEC

Over 22 VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=842B6093F946D868

[friendsinthesky]

This just shows some pictures of recent objects filmed this month with some gamma, contrast and brightness adjustments. In the inverted video clip at the end of the film watch the bottom of the main object VERY closely i.e. do not take your eyes off it and you will see something quite remarkable. If anyone doesn't know what I mean let me know.

cheers,

GK


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29hYjcZ0-ew

I think it's time you showed us something interesting.

[ooparticleoo]

REMINDER 29th TODAY

closest approach and best chance of some good footage


Heres a good target for your new t'scope

http://www.livescience.com/space/sci...oid-flyby.html

NASA DATA (ephemeris)

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?CGISESSID=3d8a0dff51c8cb133abf22c33ce 2e63f#results
if it dosn't display -
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi?find_body=1&body_group=sb&sstr=2007%20TU24
hit the button marked ephemeris

Thanks to Zedd for the original link

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18643

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RONc3DNeuCU

[drakul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RONc3DNeuCU

THANKS Fallguy. You're making a great contribution. Take nothing for granted - even the `STARS' in the sky. Test everything.

[commondreamer]

Thanks fallguy, I have been following this on Rense for some time now.

I think there is something to this. They cannot all be ISS, the shapes of these things are bizarre, and do not at all look like stars.

Keep up the good work.


Also are you still getting harassed these days.

[thefallguy]

Thanks fallguy, I have been following this on Rense for some time now.

I think there is something to this. They cannot all be ISS, the shapes of these things are bizarre, and do not at all look like stars.

Keep up the good work.


Also are you still getting harassed these days.

Hi, no I wouldn't say harassment. Just seem to be seeing quite a few chinoocks when I go out sometimes(well quite a lot really). How many times can one person spot these things and then they turn and fly over your head, very strange and I have NO real clue as to why they are doing this in plain view. Two weeks ago I was in a car with someone and one of these things tailed us for 24 miles. I mean what a waste of money! I was with a friend recently who I told about this and he wasn't sure to believe me until the thing flew towards us with no lights on. As it went over us all the lights came on. If it's harassment then it's really stupid as I don't care. Now if it's just monitoring then I would like to know why they put in such a big and costly effort into it.
Someone must have all these answers and it's not me.
regards,
Gridkeeper.

[marc_o]

"What you are about to see is quite remarkable. It seems that some of the stars above us are not stars at all...as you shall see. A young man by the name of John Lenard Walson has discovered a new way to extend the capabilities of small telescopes and has been able to achieve optical resolutions - at almost the diffraction limit - not commonly achievable. With this new-found ability, he has proceeded to videotape, night and day, many strange and heretofore unseen objects in earth orbit. The resulting astrophotographic video footage has revealed a raft of machines, hardware, satellites, spacecraft and possibly space ships which otherwise appear as 'stars'...if they appear at all."

I STATED BEFORE that the stars are space ships. I TOLD YOU GUYS! Now do you believe me? You guys should've at least tried to understand what I was saying back then a month ago maybe. Months ago I thought it up.

I want to be harassed by Chinook helicopters too. No fair to Leonard.


Yeh i saw that post and admittedly thought, dude what are you smoking when your looking in the sky?

But fair play to my friend, fair play.

And now I think about it my friend mentioned this before, and he isn't into any of this.

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNeyyd1sdo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGPtG-SidD4

[charliebad]

Well I've enjoyed this thread so far and the links within. Poses a lot of questions which I suppose over time will get answered.

I don't doubt our world's technology is far more advanced than any of us 'civvies' know, but is it our technology we're seeing here?

I look forward to more posts on the topic, images and clips with perhaps some clearer answers. Although I'll not bite someone's head off to get them lol ;)

Keep up the good work everyone.

I've just sent my Meade telescope abroad to a friend who lives in the Med. I don't use it here as I never mastered it and I decided why not give it to someone who will use it with zero light pollution around. Plus, he can figure it out and then when I go and holiday, he can show me what he's found :) Everybody wins :)

[friendsinthesky]

Fallguy, can you explain to me, as to why there is so much camera 'shake'. I'm curious.

[astraltraveller]

hi peeps

this thread clears it up somewhat .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread323879/pg3

to me it seems completlt clear its hoax but ile let you decide . sorry for posting this link again somewere else but i only just saw this thread , not been here in a while .

[niftygifter]

hi peeps

this thread clears it up somewhat .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread323879/pg3

to me it seems completlt clear its hoax but ile let you decide . sorry for posting this link again somewere else but i only just saw this thread , not been here in a while .

Astral,
Very nice find mate:cool:

Well FALLGUY any responses to this????

Nifty:cool:

[astraltraveller]

your welcome nifty

and thanks .

[drakul]

hi peeps

this thread clears it up somewhat .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread323879/pg3

to me it seems completlt clear its hoax but ile let you decide . sorry for posting this link again somewere else but i only just saw this thread , not been here in a while .



Am I missing something? The links posted in the thread above took me nowhere. One to a generic site selling videos, the other to a site selling LAMPS.

[niftygifter]

Click the link and scroll down?

Nifty:D

[drakul]

Click the link and scroll down?

Nifty:D

I DID. It's a NETFLIX Video site and goes nowhere beyond that.

[dangermouse]

uhm the link worked for me .. maybe you have spyware

[charliebad]

So all these films are bullchit? Is that what's being said?

Or people just not happy with the answers?

I'm not bias either way, just like I said a few pages ago the truth will reveil itself. If it's all fake then well I wasn't wrong. Of course if we have some truth here, then lets see and put arguements for it.

Peace,

CB

[friendsinthesky]

So all these films are bullchit? Is that what's being said?

Or people just not happy with the answers?

I'm not bias either way, just like I said a few pages ago the truth will reveil itself. If it's all fake then well I wasn't wrong. Of course if we have some truth here, then lets see and put arguements for it.

Peace,

CB

The silence is deafening, did you hear that? It was the sound of a pin dropping, or penny, whichever way you look at it.

[charliebad]

I mean I have a mate that says he doesn't believe in phychic ability, completley athiest, hates the idea of anything else and comes up with the best answers ever to dispute an argument.

He does it because he's a believer in what he does. When certain points and physical experiences suggest otherwise, he appreciates it, puts it down to phyical blah and carry's on with his beliefs.

Don't knock people because they may make an error, or two, the fact they opened your mind is a bonus. Rightous or wrongtious (think I made that up) it's all good.

Thanks for being here I hope to speak to you all soon :)

CB

[thefallguy]

Episode 63 - Far Above Space and Time - Satellite? ZOOM
http://blip.tv/file/694900

Episode 61 - Far Above Space and Time - 13th feb 2008 space craft with fast flash
http://blip.tv/file/666244

Episode 60 - Far Above Space and Time - John & Mr D ON THE MOON Feb 11 2008
http://blip.tv/file/664190

Episode 59 - Far Above Space and Time - space craft not a star
http://blip.tv/file/661576

Episode 57 - Far Above Space and Time - DAY SPACE FILM
http://blip.tv/file/646160

[thefallguy]

A couple of the new ones have also been put onto youtube now:
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This is John Walson's second recent 'trip to the moon', and we're invited to travel along courtesy of his digital camcorder and modified Meade telescope which team up to lay out a fascinating visual feast of the Moon's surface features.... including some interesting anomalies.

In some of John's enlarged close-up footage of the surface, we see one such form which is suggestive of an intelligently created spacecraft. Or, is it just a trick of light and shadow? The object certainly appears much 'whiter' than the adjacent formations.

http://www.rense.com/general81/moon1.htm

Also some of new ones available on youtube as well as blip.

Moon - better res film at http://abovespaceandtime.blip.tv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqTLVayVcRc

UFO ZOOM - better quality film at http://blip.tv/file/694900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G52c-81-U

[marpat]

Perhaps he actually lives near a base and those helicopters are just there anyway. It would be more credible if he lived 50-60 miles from any main base. There are plenty of people who's homes are just outside of the fence lines of military bases so those photos mean nothing.
Plus, why send a transport helicopter to harrass somebody? those are British helicopters and due to the severe shortage of chinook helicopters I seriously doubt that they would use one just to annoy somebody. The pilot would have to be in on it for a start as it would not be long before he was wonder why he was just circling some houses with no reason.
If they want to harras him why not do it cheaply by sending people around to his door and beating him up?

That video clip looks like a helicopter flying at night. You can see what looks like a boom.
The other one looks like a jet with two tails, which is not uncommon. What type of film is being used as IR could possible make vague aircraft videos look like that.
I have seen videos of a UFO that looked as if it crashed in a moon crater but there was a dispute as to it's authenticty.
Not against this sort of stuff I just don't believe it is a UFO until the videos show something more clear.

[thefallguy]

I can 100% assure you that JLW does not live next to a military base. There are people spreading all sorts of rumors around the net that they know this and that when it's all guess work to try and make sense of a very strange situation indeed.

You say it would be credible if he did not live near an airbase and you say the pictures are not credible because he does? Well he doesn't.
They are black ops helicopters and have a different agenda than fighting made up wars. They have an unlimited budget. I myself see between 2-4 chinock helicopters per week, wherever I go they will appear.

Sending people around to beat him up will not work EVER, there are too many people looking out for us and this tactic would backfire therefore projecting it more into the public eyes.

If you look at the videos I uploaded onto youtube up 'til the 20th of december you will see a difference after that date as the telescope was upgraded from an 8" meade to a 12". This made the images much clearer already and is currently an ongoing experiment to get them to the quality that so many desire to see. As we don't get any money for this work (some would say otherwiseLol) it is a slow process to upgrade things pay for tapes etc... as well as find the time to earm a living. If we could afford a telescope at least 25" in size then that's what we would be filming with.
Thanks for watching,

regards, Gridkeeper.

[milone]

Still think these are just satellites he is seeing.

[thefallguy]

Hi milone, I wish I truly knew what they all are. Many people think I say they are aliens but I 've never said that. How can we tell? All I know is that I've seen these myself and when my brain realised what I was looking at it just wanted to switch off, very strange. In the film below John films a bright object of which I am also able to see using my sony camcorder, very strange...

Here is a video which has just been uploaded to youtube:

Cam Test - Gridkeeper filming the back of the telescope

cam test out on the 4th march 2008
film from cam man over johns head at the back off the cam on scope. The view you see is from space at a sat or craft?
note the warning logo flashing telling you there is no tape in the cam on the scope this shows you John is getting a live feed from the cam on the scope of the object in space.
cam man looking over head films the back of the cam on scope.
At 1:30 I flicked the supernightshot switch to see the star on film. One can clearly see the city lights in the background also and that the telescope is pointed upward towards the sky, not anywhere else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3tMaxUo7Ic

regards,

Gridkeeper.

[marpat]

Those are not black op helicopters, not at all and even in the military there is no such thing as an unlimited budget. Even the best units suffer from shortages of money.

So where does JLW live then? if you give me a rough idea, such as what town then I will be able to gain a clearer picture of how far those helicopters are travelling. Obviously you cannout reveal anything that the 'military' doesn't know about if they are flying around his house.

How do we even know to trust such photos, they could have been copied off the internet.

I am still unsure what flying around would do? if he is legally using a telescope in his home then there is no reason why he should be harrassed. I could do exactly that tonight but I will not see any helicopters. Thousands of people have large telescopes in their homes. If there was some need to stop people watching the sky then why is there no ban on such things? also, if they wanted to deal with him it would be easirer if they just orted him out by sending people to his door.

I think the whole thing is a farce because:
1) if the militay wanted to intimidate anybody they could send somebody to sort that person out on foot
2) using a large transport helicopter just to fly about in the general area is not intimidating and is a waste of fuel
3) JLW is not doing anything illegal but doing the same as thousands of other people
4) the videos do not show anything special, in fact one of them looks like a helicopter flying at night, which he could have done if he lives near a base

[thefallguy]

I don't care if no one believes whether the helicopter videos are real or not. The fact is that John, some friends the secret services and I know they're real and that is what matters here. Who are you? Where do you live? You are asking personal questions here.

best,

GK.

[marpat]

I don't care if no one believes whether the helicopter videos are real or not. The fact is that John, some friends the secret services and I know they're real and that is what matters here. Who are you? Where do you live? You are asking personal questions here.

best,

GK.

Well your are talking crap basically. Would you feel more intimidated by a helicopter or by somebody coming to your door and threatening you?

And don't you think that if you were such a threat that they would not just burgle your house and remove any evidence they wanted as well as plant bugs?

I really think that you are living in a fantasy world because if such information is so important that it must never be publicly shown then people who possess it are threats and threats get dealt with. And if they know who and where you are (for to chase people with helicopters they must know) do you think you would be able to talk about it? look what happened to Dr David Kelly, committed 'suicide'. This is what happens when you pose a threat through releasing problematic information.

[3stepsahead]

i second that marp

it is some odd fotos but im not convinced

[thefallguy]

Well your are talking crap basically. Would you feel more intimidated by a helicopter or by somebody coming to your door and threatening you?

And don't you think that if you were such a threat that they would not just burgle your house and remove any evidence they wanted as well as plant bugs?

I really think that you are living in a fantasy world because if such information is so important that it must never be publicly shown then people who possess it are threats and threats get dealt with. And if they know who and where you are (for to chase people with helicopters they must know) do you think you would be able to talk about it? look what happened to Dr David Kelly, committed 'suicide'. This is what happens when you pose a threat through releasing problematic information.

If you want to believe that I'm a liar then that's your business. You have obviously made your mind up.

[hirschfelder]

Sorry if it has been answered further up, but I've seen these videos on Youtube along with people asking for co-ordinates and the method used to capture these images and I have a question

Has JLW or his team released this info yet? Or at least explained why they cant?

Is there any reason why JLW couldn't, theoretically, come to my house, take me shopping for astronomical kit, and allow me to see this stuff WITH MY OWN EYES? (albeit filtered through lenses and gizmos and whatnot)

Why not make a video demonstrating to the rest of us how to observe these strange craft? After all, what if these black-ops 'copters waste JLW and the gang? What then for the big machines parked in orbit?

If I discovered these things, the first thing I'd do is try to get everybody in the world to see them for themselves

[raffles]

Sorry if it has been answered further up, but I've seen these videos on Youtube along with people asking for co-ordinates and the method used to capture these images and I have a question

Has JLW or his team released this info yet? Or at least explained why they cant?

Is there any reason why JLW couldn't, theoretically, come to my house, take me shopping for astronomical kit, and allow me to see this stuff WITH MY OWN EYES? (albeit filtered through lenses and gizmos and whatnot)

Why not make a video demonstrating to the rest of us how to observe these strange craft? After all, what if these black-ops 'copters waste JLW and the gang? What then for the big machines parked in orbit?

If I discovered these things, the first thing I'd do is try to get everybody in the world to see them for themselves

Good post, some great points and questions there.

[thefallguy]

Day Before the Storm - www.abovespaceandtime.blip.tv


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0I589JZAw


No one is going to get wasted. If that was even a possibility then it would have happend a long time ago. This method of filming is still in development and there are now two scopes being tested, something which is proving to be a long drawn out process.

GK.

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHtEgjidhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9vcTRF1DQ
Two objects next to the moon whilst the moon is in focus, not the other way around.
More Strange Moon Business filmed by JLW. If those objects are stars then wouldn't the moon be more out of focus? Usually when filming the moon stars are never seen in the background when using a camcorder.Strange.

[thefallguy]

Even More Strange Moon Business part deux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouT-cpa3umQ

Strange objects seen near the moon. Stars or not. If they were stars the camcorder wouldn't pick them up? Three audio sections from the speech JFK did on the moon at rice stadium usa many moons ago.

[mido]

I admire your commitment, but to me it all looks like a lot of self-publicity and a desperate need for attention. It isn't that difficult to get access to high-powered telescopes. If you believe there's substance in your 'findings' why have you not reached out to UFOlogists / universities / astronomers / the science community / the media etc. to verify your claims? Verification wouldn't be at all difficult using third-party resources.

[darkovic]

This shite still floating about eh? The guy is a confirmed liar. Face it.

He was saying the RAF was photographing him from the underside of a chinook, but it was a landing light.

He also swore that he didn't live near an airbase but he clearly does as the puma helicopters in his films have their gear down and the chinook had it's landing lights on. The two fighter planes in his video, after being confronted, he said he filmed those on holiday in Wales. Why put them in the video if not to mislead people? It's a fucking joke.

Any comment made trying to point these glaring faults in the guys story on youtube had their comments removed.

Come on, think. I know people so badly want it to be aliens, but this is just shit. They're probably Christmas tree lights through a bin-bag.

I'm no debunker, I have seen a couple of UFO's and I know a lot about aircraft and they weren't any I've ever heard of. But this guy is just a con man. He was trying to sell the tapes ffs.

[mido]

But this guy is just a con man....

Reckon you're right! Pity really...I was intrigued at first!

[zero1]

Does anyone think these Big Machines in Orbit around the Earth form part of a grid of Artificial Intelligences which will gradually become operational post-2012 and start running the planet?

Now all we need is a 01 Machine City, and it'd be just like in the Matrix...

[dangermouse]

Does anyone think these Big Machines in Orbit around the Earth form part of a grid of Artificial Intelligences which will gradually become operational post-2012 and start running the planet?

Now all we need is a 01 Machine City, and it'd be just like in the Matrix...

maybe we should invest in full length leather jackets (imitation will do ) and sun glasses :P

[zero1]

maybe we should invest in full length leather jackets (imitation will do ) and sun glasses :P

Might be a wise move, but did you notice how you can't get those cool Matrix-style shades anymore? All they got are the geeky ones with big horn rims and massive round frames. Horrible.

I want my Neo shades, and I want'em now! :p:)

[dangermouse]

Might be a wise move, but did you notice how you can't get those cool Matrix-style shades anymore? All they got are the geeky ones with big horn rims and massive round frames. Horrible.

I want my Neo shades, and I want'em now! :p:)

I would have to get prescription one because i over wore contact lenses and damaged my eyeballs, so I cant wear lenses for another 6 years or something :/

[thefallguy]

I admire your commitment, but to me it all looks like a lot of self-publicity and a desperate need for attention. It isn't that difficult to get access to high-powered telescopes. If you believe there's substance in your 'findings' why have you not reached out to UFOlogists / universities / astronomers / the science community / the media etc. to verify your claims? Verification wouldn't be at all difficult using third-party resources.


We did and the parties either turned against us or were too afraid to do anything about it. What's left after that? The internet.

[thefallguy]

This shite still floating about eh? The guy is a confirmed liar. Face it.

He was saying the RAF was photographing him from the underside of a chinook, but it was a landing light.

He also swore that he didn't live near an airbase but he clearly does as the puma helicopters in his films have their gear down and the chinook had it's landing lights on. The two fighter planes in his video, after being confronted, he said he filmed those on holiday in Wales. Why put them in the video if not to mislead people? It's a fucking joke.

Any comment made trying to point these glaring faults in the guys story on youtube had their comments removed.

Come on, think. I know people so badly want it to be aliens, but this is just shit. They're probably Christmas tree lights through a bin-bag.

I'm no debunker, I have seen a couple of UFO's and I know a lot about aircraft and they weren't any I've ever heard of. But this guy is just a con man. He was trying to sell the tapes ffs.

Who said anything about raf?
Maybe you should watch this video: Simon Anderson AKA John Lenard Walson - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8s5yf_DuXg

The fighter jets had two weird objects flying across their path very quickly, that's why they were shown. So what if that was filmed in Wales? It's no secret.

There are many people out there spreading lies about John and I, some of them even create youtube accounts to spam my videos with the same messages to confuse people. Why shouldn't I ban them for that?

Understand this: I'm not saying they're aliens.

We haven't sold anything. Other people have made money off the back of this and then spread disinfo about us across the net. The videos are copyrighted so they can be traced back to their original source. Sounds sensible to me considering the circumstances.

[mido]

...We did and the parties either turned against us or were too afraid to do anything about it. What's left after that? The internet.

I suggest you are just not being resourceful enough, and you have your reasons. There are a great many people around only too willing to look deeply into this sort of thing and would almost murder for the opportunity to access and publicise world-shattering findings. Just one example - certain journalists come to mind who, against 'the system', have produced startling documentaries irrespective of the repercussions.

There are many truth-seekers with access to resources. If I were convinced I had a genuine case I sure wouldn't bother posting on the internet but instead do something altogether more covert until I (we) got answers or conclusive proof. You say people you contacted were too afraid or turned against you? That doesn't cut much with me I'm afraid. Look further, deeper. Even consider assembling a team from forums like this. Ok, you'll have to sift out the cranks and phonies but it's a start. TV journalists....newspaper reporters....scientists...universities.... You'll find recruits in all of them.

[thefallguy]

Been there done it and got the t shirt thanks. Perhaps if you know so many of these people you could round them up for me. I'm getting a bit fed up with people asking questions and as they don't like the answers decided that I'm lying about it. I come from a media background. You know what happend when I tried to get news people to run this story? A campaign started stating that I'm only in it for the money. Those idiots are still writing their crap about John and I across the internet. I think if you really understood the level of corruption in this country you could grasp what I'm saying here.

Tried it, didn't work. Next option the internet.

[darkovic]

OK thefallguy, you are Walsons new PR guy, instead of Michiokaku. We get it. Well done.

You are still wrong though. I filmed a passenger plane goping over my house a few months ago because the contrails were odd (coincided with them using biofuel but looked dodgy) and it looked like a white ball on digital recording. Another one was invisible on film yet the contrails/chemtrails were visible. For evidence stick to actual film cameras.

RAF, MOD whatever. They are still landing near his house, so he is a liar. There is a base by his house.

[thefallguy]

OK thefallguy, you are Walsons new PR guy, instead of Michiokaku. We get it. Well done.

You are still wrong though. I filmed a passenger plane goping over my house a few months ago because the contrails were odd (coincided with them using biofuel but looked dodgy) and it looked like a white ball on digital recording. Another one was invisible on film yet the contrails/chemtrails were visible. For evidence stick to actual film cameras.

RAF, MOD whatever. They are still landing near his house, so he is a liar. There is a base by his house.

How can I be wrong when I live there and you don't. THERE IS NO MILITARY BASE. DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY HAVE THEIR WHEELS DOWN? NO YOU DON'T. SO YOU DON'T KNOW. What is it with people thinking they know everything.

[darkovic]

How can I be wrong when I live there and you don't. THERE IS NO MILITARY BASE. DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY HAVE THEIR WHEELS DOWN? NO YOU DON'T. SO YOU DON'T KNOW. What is it with people thinking they know everything.

Well I don't know everything, but I was in the British military. I know why the chinooks have their wheels down, they cannot be raised. As for the Pumas they can raise theirs, but have lowered them for a landing or a take off. No other reason.

The chinook has landing lights flashing. It's not a camera.

There's a photo of one on this thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300556/pg6

[raffles]

Well I don't know everything, but I was in the British military. I know why the chinooks have their wheels down, they cannot be raised. As for the Pumas they can raise theirs, but have lowered them for a landing or a take off. No other reason.

The chinook has landing lights flashing. It's not a camera.

There's a photo of one on this thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300556/pg6

To be fair to thefallguy, i wouldnt trust anything from ats biggest disinfo site on the net.

[darkovic]

Mate... just google chinook and look at the landing light on the underside of the things, exactly where and the same colour and brightness as this "camera" is meant to be.

ATS is irrelevant.

[thefallguy]

latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcCcXcnzjqw

[dangermouse]

latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcCcXcnzjqw

all of john's videos intrigue me. Definitely something fooked up going on whatever it is

[richardhastings]

all of john's videos intrigue me. Definitely something fooked up going on whatever it is

Thanks for posting very information ....just makes you think what else is parked up there... :cool:

[gold]

I think the Illuminati are flapping! Maybe the good guys are on their way!

[saab1981]

Galactic Federation Of Light ;)

[dangermouse]

Galactic Federation Of Light ;)


Uhm correct me if im wrong but isnt that a Scientologist theory/theology ?

[thefallguy]

here are the latest moon videos showing the objects near the moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGTm9mJl3I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxT1Pz8ddLI

[darkovic]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act 1. Scene V

[mido]

here are the latest moon videos showing the objects near the moon.

Are you being serious??? These blurred points of light are meaningful to you??? Come on, get real. I'm all for the basic concept here but you've got to come up with something better than anything posted on this thread so far.

[thefallguy]

Yes I am being serious. And yes those points of light are meaningful not just to me but to other astronomers that will tell you that those lights aren't stars.
Come up with something better for what? I could always fly up to the moon and bring you something back as a souvenier. Is that what you expect from me?

So if they're not stars then what are they? Those objects are near the moon not millions of miles behind it. And yes it's a point of light. I haven't said it's anything else have I?

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saQ6N9_25xU
2 space objects filmed by John Lenard Walson. The first one looks like a fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm9Ni__htnM
Large space object filmed during the daytime by John Lenard Walson. Same clip played over with different filters and OMS data.

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXchJQKZENA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx4fRtDBtAs


NEWS BULLETIN MARCH 2008
TBLN dot com are selling some of this space footage for 20 dollars per dvd boasting of over 2 hours of footage. There is hours more footage here on youtube and blip tv and it's FREE, lots more in fact much of which has NEVER been seen anywhere else in the world. As far as I can tell this film is being sold by MARTYN STUBBS AND JOSE ESCAMILLA. PLEASE DO NOT BUY THIS FILM. John Lenard Walson has not received ANY royalties from the sale of this film, for if he had the money would have gone back into funding this project and giving the people of the world what they really want to know and see for themselves. That project has now been severely held back and due to the initial investement has no money to develop the entire system thanks to TBLN dot COM. This is a criminal act of PIRACY and should never have happend.
Thankyou, Gridkeeper.

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui_NFx4Q3Iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OugZRLOGwI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcPf4vqmaGk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-e1UPU6Gg

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62azng8CqXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfz15VpHUxk

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxA78TWndmg

[thefallguy]

Big Machines Parked in Orbit - What if we become....?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX3_1nV6jGk

[john white]

This is an excellent summary of John Lenard Walsons video footage of the space stations discovered by him just beyond our planet.
I know these have been posted on here before, BUT, if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, you will then see what effect this is having on the military, because he is getting some serious hassle from the "Big Black Helicopters" and has some shots to prove it.hehehehe.:cool:

Good on him I reckon:D
We have a bloody RIGHT to know, it is OUR World as well:eek:
Well worth a visit

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm



Nifty:D

I gave it a good look

I can't see anything conlcusive to show these arnt easily eplainable objects

[thefallguy]

Hi, I'd be interested to hear any explanations you have to offer. I don't know what they are but if you look at the last video I posted there is the long zoom in and out of a star, would you have an explanation for that one? Thanks.

[friendsinthesky]

Zoom in and out of a star? You're kidding right? You expect us all to take that as fact? If there are big machines out there, we want conclusive footage. Not your heresay. Bring it on.....

[mido]

You still aren't demonstrating anything convincing at all. Rather than sensationalising some of your videos with X-Files music and so on, what about a commentatry and some video reference points? You're just showing blurry, illuminated imagery that can be interpreted however the viewer chooses.

You surely must by now see that you'll need much more than what you're putting forward as 'evidence' to have people take this seriously. Anyone who already does is, imo, delusional.

I'm not labelling you a fraudster, but let's face it, creating a moving light show with effects isn't at all difficult. As I've said before, something more tangible is required to give substance to what you would have us believe are machines orbiting the earth.

If you can't get an observatory interested, find some established astronomy clubs. Have them use their telescopes and cameras to investigate and back up your claims.

[galactic_stargazer]

Fallguy...Here is your avatar, it is the ISS

http://i27.tinypic.com/28u5wmt.jpg


http://www.spaceweather.com/

If you have to look in the archives the date is April 4,08

[challand]

I have to say when I read the first Rense article about this my jaw had to be located on the floor under the couch.

In all my years of listening to and researching all things paranormal I think I've developed a sense that tells me if people are bullshit. This guy (fallguy) strikes me as non-bullshit. :P (I've listened to more C2C than should be allowed. hehe)

We should be lending our brains to this man's work, not trying to pick apart every little thing he says or doesn't say.

[djpad34]

ok you seem to get a lot of flack on this forum and other places as to the fact are the images real ? ok me fallguy why dont you contact mr John Lenard Walson and get some of the the higher ranking members of this forum who reside in the uk and give them a demo of you gear and how you take the photos and film its no good realy sat thier just filming and sending the clips to gridkeeper to stick on youtube. lets see it move on a bit let the debukers be shown the goodies on how its done make yourself a bit more credible so to speak ?

Have an openday so to speak show your work off to is full let them come onto the hillside and film with you thats what would do if it was me for sure

or even offer mr icke an ivite to see you in action ?

[thefallguy]

Hi, all in good time. As for getting people like David involved I tried many times along with others and no one ever replied, thefallguy aka Gridkeeper.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yupRSKv01SI

[thefallguy]

Fallguy...Here is your avatar, it is the ISS

http://i27.tinypic.com/28u5wmt.jpg


http://www.spaceweather.com/

If you have to look in the archives the date is April 4,08

What's your point?

[thefallguy]

Why would they piss me off? All I want to know is what these objects are and I'd like to find the truth, that's all.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y7SK8GlUcQ

[galactic_stargazer]

What's your point?

Forgive me if I was wrong...I thought you were displaying what you thought to be a UFO.

[thefallguy]

I don't know what it is. It's a still from one of my JLW folders.

[galactic_stargazer]

I don't know what it is. It's a still from one of my JLW folders.

Well, I am right then...You believe it to be a UFO?

[thefallguy]

Yes, doesn't mean it's alien though. It looks like the ISS but what is that arm on the top left side? The angles are completely different are they not.


New video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3aZY4dNCxc

[thefallguy]

Space Machine Compilation film Jan - April 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PPUFMKvKOQ

[thefallguy]

Then what are they? And what about the objects on the moon?


http://www.rense.com/general81/myst12.htm

[thefallguy]

Moon surface filmed during the daytime on April 10th 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJSoSvU44Q

[warren oaks]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a337/kylejohnson420/IMG_1361.jpg

look ma i dreamed i could see aliens too

[friendsinthesky]

Moon surface filmed during the daytime on April 10th 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXJSoSvU44Q

What's the deal with this video? I did watch the whole 3min and it's what you say; moon surface. What did JLW see that we can't?

[romas]

What's the deal with this video? I did watch the whole 3min and it's what you say; moon surface. What did JLW see that we can't?

They are reffering to bright spots in those craters, something reflecting or emitting light?

[thefallguy]

Moon filmed during the daytime from earth 12th April 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahB_bC0KC1M

[grannymoose]

you see what you want to see, what your imagination makes you see.

we need the following,
equipment used - haow are you doing this.
where are you pointing this thing - you've sent many of these now to u,tube yet theres no locations where we can look ourselevs,

sheepie are controlled by the media what they see with out any explanation, there given no facts, its the good old tale of ' wag the dog'
stop treating us like sheepie and let us have a go at doing this ourselves, this isn't a you tube forum we seek facts and figures here not fiction.

[zero1]

Does anyone think these Big Machines in Orbit around the Earth form part of a grid of Artificial Intelligences which will gradually become operational post-2012 and start running the planet?

I quote part of my original post on this thread, cos' it was so good...and totally unresponded to, and neglected. :(

When the Global Warming fanaticos enact the Blocking Out of the Sun agenda, the Big Machines in Orbit will take over the running of the planet and start cropping generations of human beings.

It will be a nightmare, I say, a nightmare! :eek:

"Ironically, this is not far from the Truth..." -- Morpheus, the Matrix

[friendsinthesky]

They are reffering to bright spots in those craters, something reflecting or emitting light?

Thanks romas, that's what I thought aswell, but it isn't anything concrete. Could just be light bouncing, hardly proof of a ship, just thefallguy putting words into our "mouth".

I would like thefallguy to describe what they did see with their own eyes.

[romas]

Thanks romas, that's what I thought aswell, but it isn't anything concrete. Could just be light bouncing, hardly proof of a ship, just thefallguy putting words into our "mouth".

I would like thefallguy to describe what they did see with their own eyes.


I think the mars thingies can be believable, but the stuff in black background, I just have no idea what I'm seeing, main problem is it has no reference to that object, like no stars etc, nothing, I only see a blob of light :/

[thefallguy]

This was filmed looking south in the UK at about 7:30pm in first week of march 2008. Look at 1:30 you'll see orions belt to the right of the screen thus this object being filmed is the Betelgeuse star shoulder of Orion. All i know is that I was there and saw it being filmed. As for what the object really is? I don't know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3tMaxUo7Ic

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-3emEEWaC4

[dizzib]

I'm just speculating here but if these ships are real, might their purpose be to implement project bluebeam?

[naumann]

This is an excellent summary of John Lenard Walsons video footage of the space stations discovered by him just beyond our planet.
I know these have been posted on here before, BUT, if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, you will then see what effect this is having on the military, because he is getting some serious hassle from the "Big Black Helicopters" and has some shots to prove it.hehehehe.:cool:

Good on him I reckon:D
We have a bloody RIGHT to know, it is OUR World as well:eek:
Well worth a visit

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm



Nifty:D


Nice thread! It's my first post here. :D

[thefallguy]

HI, glad you're enjoying the videos.

This was filmed yesterday:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cqbqR8-zHyY

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbypdpEuHXI

[thefallguy]

One of the structures in this film looks like some of the images presented by R.Hoagland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwX7mGRKjGE

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2y68MrjkM

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNR0W1_edo

[zero1]

Just wanna bump this. :cool:

[chattanova]

Excellent stuff thefallguy. Simply brilliant!

[pillowtalk]

My avatar says it all.
I will leave you with that thought.

PT.

[dmessick]

Wow! Keep up the good work.

[pduffy4]

Hi, you're correct in what you say. This new video is the middle star of Orion's Belt(or what we see of it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hD0DZgIr8w

GK AKA thefallguy

Hi fallguy,

I watched the video of the middle 'star' of Orions Belt. Did you check what you see with the other two stars on the belt? Have you been able to verify that this is not an optical illusion caused by the high magnification?

Can you say what scope you are using and your video equipment is?

I have a vintage 1991 Astro-Physics 130EDT Starfire refractor which I hardly use. I have not looked at any stars with very high magnificatiopn as the appear too faint for my taste. I have no car at the moment so can't get away to observe sadly. I only have a cheap mount fo rthe scope also with no motor drives as I was not into photography.

Thanks and great work:D

Peter

[redman]

How does he set up his telescope??



It's a empty bog roll with a peice of string attached to it.

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zbLrXFoN6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDavwcC-YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZBdhQ3_rk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4BUuT5Qno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fv6p902_UU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzWs1NcNC34

[grannymoose]

why do we never get an answer when asked what gear his he using?

[thefallguy]

why do we never get an answer when asked what gear his he using?

this is a long road.....

[krixo]

Can he check out the pyramids on mars and film them also plz ;)

[thefallguy]

Can he check out the pyramids on mars and film them also plz ;)


Would need a much bigger telescope.

Amateur Satellite Tracking 2008 UFO, USO, USS, USSO, UMSSM,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=175Peln_Y4o

all these clips were filmed by John Lenard Walson. Check out a smaller satellite flying past the camera whilst focused on another all these clips were filmed by John Lenard Walson. Check out a smaller satellite flying past the camera whilst focused on another "unknown" object.

[thefallguy]

John was filming the moon the other day and this happend. There is no explanation but to me it looks like a shadow. Very odd. It was only one clip so i repeated it with contrast adjustments etc and also a video pan to get a better look.



Moon Ring 8th June 2008 Exclusive Video Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-udy4wLwA

[friendsinthesky]

^ A flying donut, followed by a flying homer simpson.

Hey fallguy, it is interesting BUT you know we want the hard core stuff. So, show us the hidden footage.

[niftygifter]

It's a empty bog roll with a peice of string attached to it.

ROFLMAO!!!:D:D:D

Nifty:D

[danielg]

On the same subject, I heard a NASA spokesman on the radio, state that the recent shuttle to the ISIS/ international Space Station was to take up a new pump for the toilets (yeah right!) and on return he said something to the effect of "returning from our global city in space".

[audio]

I was sat in a field in the south west of england .the field looks over Weymouth and Portland .i was up there looking over the town .i haven't been to the uk for many years so it was a nice place to watch the sunset .as the sun went i sat there looking over the town with all the lights on .
i was the for a few hours looking then looking at the stars then all of a sudden i could see some kind of craft there was 5 all together
one of the craft was showing me that it could disgais its self as a star
it was unbelievable .i have it all recorded i wish could explane it better but i have a problem with writing there is a lot more to the story

[limelady]

Looks like the shadow of one of these (http://www.rense.com/general9/strange.htm)dropa stone look-alike UFO's flying over the moon surface. Chris Everard features these same sort of UFOs captured on NASA footage on his first Secret Space video.

[audio]

they where triangle shape and it was very clear ,april this year

[audio]

the town was also covered in cemtrails in the day time ,never seen the sky like that before. i have lived in asia for 9 years and i dont see them here

[audio]

i was in asia when 9 11 happen i watched the second plane go in .i was with 2 friends ,strait away i said to them it was an inside job for years people thought i was crazy to say things like that ,
i lived though the 2004 tsunami ,and i think that was man made

[thefallguy]

they where triangle shape and it was very clear ,april this year


Hi, I'd love to see that if you get the chance to upload any of the footage, thanks.

[thefallguy]

Looks like the shadow of one of these (http://www.rense.com/general9/strange.htm)dropa stone look-alike UFO's flying over the moon surface. Chris Everard features these same sort of UFOs captured on NASA footage on his first Secret Space video.

Hi you are the first person to say that. I agree.

[friendsinthesky]

Looks like the shadow of one of these (http://www.rense.com/general9/strange.htm)dropa stone look-alike UFO's flying over the moon surface. Chris Everard features these same sort of UFOs captured on NASA footage on his first Secret Space video.

Kind of reminds you of madelains eye..

[thefallguy]

This is interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgw2N92W_8s

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKG0_xujJSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFTX0InBnA

[markstephenson]

Utter Bullshit.

Submit your methods for Peer review. (You won't because its bollocks)

The End.

[no1shirt]

Have been very impressed with the pics /vids ive seen over the last 6 months to a year. Have followed on youtube and here and seen a pattern to the questions and answers.

There seems to be a pattern of submitting great looking videos then leaving it up to us to make of it what we will.

People who are interested in this subject and have found the videos will eventually get bored of seeing the same variations on a theme with no forthcoming explanation to all the questions about replicating the images for the average telescope enthusiast. Indeed there have been many cries of fake to which the standard response is along the lines of "youve made up your mind already"

Granted the vids are intriguing and impressive, but the whole thing seems to have been stuck in a rut for a while.

How and when is the process going to move forward??

[hirschfelder]

Submit your methods for Peer review. (You won't because its bollocks)

That would be his peers who also film "big machines parked in orbit"?

I do like these little films, fuck knows what they are though. I liked the one that looked like a dinosaur walking on the spot

[655321]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKG0_xujJSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjFTX0InBnA

http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/YPPX24SP.jpg

[thefallguy]

I don't know the answer.

Here's a new video anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUTUITEfsY4

[djpad34]

just a thought but if you can get such perfect images of the moon in daylight please get the camera man to zoom in on some chemtrail planes flying over the uk this week in the uk the weather is nice so the planes will be out to spoil the summer

[thefallguy]

Hi, made the last chemtrail film last year and got fed up with filming them all the time. This is the best i can do, it's an old film from last year but it was filmed in the uk. Chemtrails in the United Kingdom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1CkSnWN-58
John wouldn't be interested in filming chemtrails as it would probably open up a whole new can of worms for him and currently i think he has enough on his plate.

new space video:

Unidentified Flying Star - UFO with a slight telescope zoom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW4xfnQHyqQ

[markstephenson]

That would be his peers who also film "big machines parked in orbit"?



Why don't you google "Peer Review" INSULT EDITED OUT.

In the meantime heres the ATS thread that put this nonsense to bed.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread303251/pg1

[hirschfelder]

Why don't you google "Peer Review" you dumb troll.



Because I already know what it means

Are there any other experts in the field of studying "big machines parked in orbit" who would qualify as peers?

Is Mr FallGuy looking to publish his findings in a publication or press which demands its material be peer-reviewed anyway? Do such publications, ones concerned with BMPIO, or presses exist?

Mr FallGuy's findings are hardly Nature material, and I don't think Fortean Times or the David Icke website insist that the material they host has been through the rigours of peer review

I'm sure there are experts in astrophotography who would have something to say about Mr FallyGuy's videos and his methods of recording them, but it wouldn't be a peer review unless it were being reviewed for something and, as I say, I'm not sure there's anywhere he can submit his videos which would demand such a formal screening process

That's all I was saying

[thefallguy]

Why don't you google "Peer Review" INSULT EDITED OUT.

In the meantime heres the ATS thread that put this nonsense to bed.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread303251/pg1

That's called disinformation. It contains lots of lies and false statements and claims made against John and I. Hey maybe you are one of those which still belives John and I are the same person?


latest vids.
Filmed several years ago by John Lenard Walson, not Abbey Parker. The object is not next to the lamp post but in fact is some way behind it. If one is able to see through the light of the orb they would see a craft of sorts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50RKknmSwxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ZbVO3P5rg


Space objects filmed by John Lenard Walson filmed through a telescope as shown in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3-4F_q38JY

[thefallguy]

Big dipper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAkLcVm8neY

[danoli3]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4554/spacedh1.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7172/spacecz4.png <- 1280x720px

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BylfNj3L8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORfClckXSko

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDM_-Ja-Fcg

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZ3QQdllf4

[thefallguy]

Galactic Rhythm - Space Machine
Film by John Lenard Walson with audio from Gridkeeper Aug 2008
possibly one of the clearest images yet and no match to the International Spacestation.
sorry youtube has compreesed the s**t out of the audio unfortunately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y_PCEo9c04

[markstephenson]

Disinformation? You were banned twice from ATS forums for pure fabrication.

I think that speaks volumes.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread303251/pg1

In fact dont take my word for it..... Don't take ATS's word for it

GOOGLE 'gridkeeper' 'walson' 'anderson' 'hoax'.

CASE CLOSED. go and scam somewhere else.

[thefallguy]

That's not evidence Mark, that's SPECULATION There is a BIG difference.


Here's a closer view of the object in the last uploaded video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqtAK2eh3E4

Don't you think that the security services would have stopped all this by now if there wasn't any truth to it? And by the way anyone that seriously believes Springers statement about the white van man just being a plumber as that's where the number plate was apparently registered to needs a reality check. Do MI5 register all their vehicles to their London address? I think not. By the way why did everyone ignore me over there when I tried to explain the "plumber" was wearing a wire in his left ear WHICH CAN BE SEEN IN THE FILM? regards, Gridkeeper.

[zero1]

*sigh*

Everybody should read both of my posts on this thread.

Really...

:)

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4b2slwKEls

[carlo]

this page temporarily unavailable due
to bandwidth constraints





sorry :(This is an excellent summary of John Lenard Walsons video footage of the space stations discovered by him just beyond our planet.
I know these have been posted on here before, BUT, if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, you will then see what effect this is having on the military, because he is getting some serious hassle from the "Big Black Helicopters" and has some shots to prove it.hehehehe.:cool:

Good on him I reckon:D
We have a bloody RIGHT to know, it is OUR World as well:eek:
Well worth a visit

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm



Nifty:D

[thefallguy]

Zoom on front of space ship filmed by John Lenard Walson on the 22nd of august 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UsrLbv2Mxk

[thefallguy]

Close Zoom of a Space Ship Part2 (clearer) August 22nd 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrgBAfvkgjQ

Super Space Machine 23rd August 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClyBpGFJbew

Video response to Super Space Machine - Colour Enhancement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3tl_AZHm1E

[runciter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3tl_AZHm1E


http://www.batmangiftideas.com/Batman-joker-mask-costumes-collectibles-merchandise-toys-superhero,.jpg

[thefallguy]

Here are some of the latest film clips from John:
In this one John compares his picture of the moon with an identical one taken by apollo.
Apollo Moon Picture JLW Moon Picture and two space machines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Ln8IbMyNk
Here are some clips from film taken over the last few days.
Space Ship filmed 25th August 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcZm_ZZSUaE
Space Craft filmed on the 26th and 27th of August 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDfMBU6zGZE
Future Science Technology Space Machine
Yes this has been shown in the past in another video yet hopefully this upload will be slightly clearer than the older one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlefQyu1CEQ

[thefallguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpaq8osUB_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CPD-BPdW6c

[lordzoma]

I just wanted to point out something important.

You may notice you'll never see posts from perma-skeptic distracter denial agenda touting shills like Krakhead in this thread.

It's a smoking gun thread that cannot be ignored, so the skeptics that deny deny and deny some more in order to keep people from believing the truth, know that denying threads like these just make them look like total imbeciles, so they distract you with magician tricks someplace else.

This thread and the information contained herein that I first read about on rense when the guy was first uploading the pictures, is a great starting point for people who have no fucking clue what's going on in the world, or at least are first opening up to paradigm shifting information.

It never ceases to amaze me that you have people chanting like a mantra, reptilians are fake, reptilians are fake. Aliens don't exist. Be a skeptic too! Don't believe. It's all nonsense. I'm right and your wrong - - those people ignore material like this. And if they ever do, they may quietly and momentarily say it's interesting, or pretend to be amazed, while they curse themselves inwardly and go back to the job of distracting people elsewhere.

[dooby]

I just wanted to point out something important.

You may notice you'll never see posts from perma-skeptic distracter denial agenda touting shills like Krakhead in this thread.

It's a smoking gun thread that cannot be ignored, so the skeptics that deny deny and deny some more in order to keep people from believing the truth, know that denying threads like these just make them look like total imbeciles, so they distract you with magician tricks someplace else.

This thread and the information contained herein that I first read about on rense when the guy was first uploading the pictures, is a great starting point for people who have no fucking clue what's going on in the world, or at least are first opening up to paradigm shifting information.

It never ceases to amaze me that you have people chanting like a mantra, reptilians are fake, reptilians are fake. Aliens don't exist. Be a skeptic too! Don't believe. It's all nonsense. I'm right and your wrong - - those people ignore material like this. And if they ever do, they may quietly and momentarily say it's interesting, or pretend to be amazed, while they curse themselves inwardly and go back to the job of distracting people elsewhere.

Krakhead hasn't posted in this thread, so how can you accuse him of being a "perma-skeptic distracter denial agenda touting [shill]"?

I find the images and videos rather interesting, however, as many have said, when money is requested by the author, more questions arise than answers.

In this age of CGI, anything can be faked. It would be helpful if the co-ordinates of one unknown object was given as evidence. I believe this has been requested in the past, but has not been granted. At least then, this evidence can be independently verified (at least to ensure there is something there, even if the optics aren't as good as Walson's)
I've noticed people repeatedly asking for the specifications of John Lenard Walson's telescope too. These requests repeatedly remain unanswered.

I am not saying this is fake, but I'm not saying it's true either, as to take sides and preach "dark" or "light" is the result of having a closed mind, and trying to force people to adopt the same view as yourself. I'm keeping my eye on the images published by Gridkeeper/John, just in case one convinces me.

Thank you to Gridkeeper, and John Lenard Walson - if this is true, and there are "Big Machines Parked In Orbit" that aren't known bodies, I congratulate you on your courage.

Dooby

[krakhead]

You may notice you'll never see posts from perma-skeptic distracter denial agenda touting shills like Krakhead in this thread.


You just wouldn't let it lie would you? ;)

Well, seeing as you invited me to give my opinion......

And you have already, correctly surmised - I'm not convinced by the footage presented.

It's been discredited elsewhere so I didn't see the need to kick someone when they're down!

I'd ask the same as others have - release the details on how the footage was created.

Then let others try to replicate them.

If others can re-create them then we can really begin to discuss what these 'craft' really are.

Until then........... :rolleyes:

[abaddon]

I am one of the people inspired by JLW's work, and encourage him to push ahead with his undertaking.

One can understand why these people consistantly ignore and dodge questions about the actual time/place/location/size of the objects, as well as the instrumentation used to film such, considering these could well be spy/other. I bet many are already unhappy JLW keeps probing.

I, for one, hope he continues to do so. :)

[thefallguy]

Thanks for all the support, Gridkeeper.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrUBXz1sfY

[dooby]

Thanks for all the support, Gridkeeper.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrUBXz1sfY

Actually, that is a rather interesting video! :)