Logical fallacies

[carlg1212]

These are important to know, because things are said in the media (and on this forum) that are just plain false and don't hold up to the logical fallacy tests.

http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

These are important to know, because things are said in the media (and on this forum) that are just plain false and don't hold up to the logical fallacy tests.

http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

These are all just pretentious ways of stating the obvious - ways of making people come across as more intelligent than they are...

"So why learn logical fallacies at all?

I can think of a couple of good reasons. First, it makes you look smart. If you can not only show that the opposition has made an error in reasoning, but you can give that error a name as well (in Latin!), it shows that you can think on your feet and that you understand the opposition's argument possibly better than they do."

Says it all really...

[carlg1212]

These are all just pretentious ways of stating the obvious - ways of making people come across as more intelligent than they are...

"So why learn logical fallacies at all?

I can think of a couple of good reasons. First, it makes you look smart. If you can not only show that the opposition has made an error in reasoning, but you can give that error a name as well (in Latin!), it shows that you can think on your feet and that you understand the opposition's argument possibly better than they do."

Says it all really...

Uh...I think he was being facetious. Did you read the next paragraph he wrote?

[ashyr]

its great objectional material. and i always enjoy talking with people who think this way. because you cant pull one over them. they wont be fooled by the bullshit either. then u can clarify things you think you know also.

[carlg1212]

its great objectional material. and i always enjoy talking with people who think this way. because you cant pull one over them. they wont be fooled by the bullshit either. then u can clarify things you think you know also.

Yeah. Plato invented logic. That was a long time ago. This isn't anything new.

[woghd]

Not bad material. I remember going through this stuff over and over and over again on the debate team.

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[danielg]

Aristotle not Plato.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Yeah. Plato invented logic. That was a long time ago. This isn't anything new.

How can you invent logic? That's like saying man invented the colour blue. Nobody invented it, it was just given a name, and then studied...

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Uh...I think he was being facetious. Did you read the next paragraph he wrote?

Yes. It's obvious that if somebody is making a logically unsound argument that you attack and therefore nullify the argument itself by pointing out it's irrationality, rather than to trying to weaken the argument by offering counter-arguments...

I see nothing profound about any of this. It's just pseudo-intellectual rhetoric...

[sunyatta60]

How can you invent logic? That's like saying man invented the colour blue. Nobody invented it, it was just given a name, and then studied...

Well that is open to debate, as is do numbers exist all by themselves or are they a human construct? The problem with logic is that it is limited because it can only take us so far. When people start playing the game using logic has their preferred weapon of choice just hit them with Godel's theorem and watch them start backtracking and generally slipping into a confused and lost state.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Well that is open to debate, as is do numbers exist all by themselves or are they a human construct? The problem with logic is that it is limited because it can only take us so far. When people start playing the game using logic has their preferred weapon of choice just hit them with Godel's theorem and watch them start backtracking and generally slipping into a confused and lost state.

I'm inclined to believe that logic is a construct of the human mind, and that it doesn't exist independently of it, in the same way that colours or numbers are a construct of the human mind and don't exist independently of it, but at the same time I don't think it was invented by anybody either. It's simply an inherent mechanism of consciousness that provides us with a means of attempting to understand reality, albeit a very limited means.

Even from the perspective of logic, it's easy to acknowledge that the vastness and complexity of creation is far beyond the scope of what it's able to comprehend. So I agree that logic is intrinsically flawed when used as the sole means of attempting to attain knowledge or truth, but that's not to say that it's completely useless...

This is also why science is so flawed and limited as a means of enquiry for obtaining knowledge or truth. It's limited by what we can perceive, measure and 'prove', but it's clear that there exists an infinite spectrum of phenomema that we can't measure or 'prove', let alone perceive...

[sunyatta60]

I'm inclined to believe that logic is a construct of the human mind,

I agree with most of what you have said except I take it one step further Everything including us is a Construct of the Universal Mind what we in the Occident call God.

There is but one mind, every man is an inlet to that one mind.....
Ralph Waldo Emerson

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I'm inclined to believe that logic is a construct of the human mind,

I agree with most of what you have said except I take it one step further Everything including us is a Construct of the Universal Mind what we in the Occident call God.

There is but one mind, every man is an inlet to that one mind.....
Ralph Waldo Emerson

I agree - That everything is just a different manifestation of the same divine energy, the totality of which makes up what we refer to as 'God' or 'the creator'. Or as Bill Hicks put it: 'We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively'...

[sunyatta60]

I agree - That everything is just a different manifestation of the same divine energy, the totality of which makes up what we refer to as 'God' or 'the creator'. Or as Bill Hicks put it: 'We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively'...

What the powers that rule on this planet have done by hook and by crook is deliberately keep people separated from the Consciousness that we really are.
That is why the Roman church persecuted the Gnostics with such figure.
People like that William Mac guy would not be willing to go and drop a bomb on children in another country if he understood that by doing that he is in effect destroying a part of his very own SELF
People in agreement need to get out and support one and other we need to educate the Robots who are asleep I post to this board mostly trying to wake the sheeple up.

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