Gordon Brown will sign EU treaty in private

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/11/nbrown211.xml

Gordon Brown will sign EU treaty in private
By Duncan Hooper, Tom Chivers and agencies
Last Updated: 3:31pm GMT 11/12/2007

Gordon Brown has announced that he will travel to Portugal to sign the controversial European Union Reform Treaty.

Doubt had been thrown on Mr Brown's attendance at the signing ceremony in Lisbon on Thursday because of his commitment to give evidence to a high-ranking House of Commons committee that morning.

Reports of his possible absence sparked criticism that the Prime Minister was trying to disassociate himself from the EU plan.

On a policy level it would also have meant he missed negotiations between heads of state taking place on the sidelines of the ceremony.

But 10 Downing Street said this morning that arrangements have been made for Mr Brown to leave London immediately after the hearing of the Commons Liaison Committee.

He will miss the official signing ceremony in the morning, but will join fellow EU heads of government at lunch and will sign the treaty then, his spokesman said.

The low-profile signing has attracted criticism from anti-constitution campaigners.

Neil O'Brien, of the I Want A Referendum campaign, said: "This is a ludicrous attempt to avoid being seen signing up to the treaty. The idea that this is just an accidental diary clash is just not credible. It's not clever politics by Brown either, because it will allow his opponents to accuse him of cowardice again.

Downing Street seems to wish the treaty would just go away. They hope that if no-one sees Brown signing up to it they won't notice it is happening. They are just burying their heads in the sand.

"The Lisbon treaty gives the EU new powers over everything from our public services to crime and immigration. Unless the Government is prepared to take it head-on and give people their say in a referendum, then it will only reinforce the perception that Europe is grabbing more and more powers in an undemocratic way."

The Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, has announced that the Lisbon Treaty does not involve any loss of Danish sovereignty and therefore his Government would not be calling a referendum on the issue.

"When sovereignty is relinquished, a referendum is needed; when no sovereignty is relinquished, Parliament will ratify the text," he said.

So far only Ireland has said it will hold a referendum on the treaty. Its constitution demands that all EU treaties are put to a national vote.

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Germany seeks to enshrine EU flag
By Andrew Porter, Political Editor
Last Updated: 2:52am GMT 11/12/2007

Germany has mounted a last-ditch effort to get the European Union flag, anthem, motto and single currency recognised in the new EU Reform Treaty.

Along with 15 other nations, Germany is attempting to add a new clause that enshrines those symbols of the EU that were not included in the original treaty. Gordon Brown had specifically been against them being included.

It comes just days before the controversial treaty - which is almost identical to the rejected EU Constitution - is signed in Lisbon.

Last night, William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said: "As ever the world of the EU is bizarre. Brussels already uses the flag and the anthem. One of the few changes in the new EU treaty from the original constitution was that they wouldn't become official. British ministers should give a clear message: forget it.

''But what really matters is the substance - the serious hand-over of powers, including on foreign policy and home affairs from Britain to the EU. That hasn't changed and that is why Gordon Brown should keep his promise and let the British people decide in a referendum."

Germany wants the document to support the EU "Stars" flag, the anthem Ode to Joy, and its motto "United in Diversity". The single European currency - the euro - would also be formally recognised. Opponents of the treaty seized on the German move as further evidence that the document was the same as the rejected constitution.

The other countries backing the plan are Belgium, Bulgaria, Greece, Spain, Italy, Cyprus, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Hungary, Malta, Austria, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia and the Slovak Republic.

The Prime Minister is still to decide whether he will attend the official treaty signing in Lisbon on Thursday. British officials are expected to resist the late German moves.

Mr Brown has refused to give Britain a vote on the treaty. The Daily Telegraph campaign for a referendum, which was promised in Labour's 2005 election manifesto, has attracted more than 100,000 backers.

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We're been done up like a kipper. This is the end to all intents and purposes until brown, blair, the queen and all supporting members of parliament are tried in a people's court for treason.

The end of England... I NEVER thought the British people would be this stupid. All those that died in the wars must be cursing you all. You deserve everything you are going to get.

We are getting near to civil war now.

Ireland I hope to God you do get your referendum and reject this total madness.

Brown and Co may you rot in hell for eternity.

[zander]

Brown and Co may you rot in hell for eternity.

Seconded!
Why don't the sheeple wake up? Can they just not bair to tear themselfs away from all of that mind numbing (fake) reality TV? We are being screwed here, FOR GOD SAKE BRITAIN WAKE UP!!!:mad:

[godspeed]

the rest of us in the uk are pretty much dead....this is high treason and good men of past glory have died for less....all part of the master plan now....just what the natzi's wanted all along....and brown is going to do it over some lunch....hope he feking chokes on it........we still have time before the last seal is signed...i think its time for a revolution myself as no one listens any more...no one round me seems to care just busy being slaves for money they never see..........awe well i'll be wiating for some action to start soon.

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I am genuinely really upset about this. I cannot believe it. They will claim its not the end of England but we know better. We know whats coming. Once the constitution is signed, it will be tweaked and tweaked. The writing is on the wall. As you say the Nazis have won and without firing a shot... yet. Why God Why?

They never see... right. If they are this stupid then they are worthless. If there is no sign of revolution over this then there is no hope. Time to consider getting out of here. They deserve what they are going to get...

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The amount of legislation brought in by the current UK government that severely restricts freedom within mainland Britain is a disgusting abuse of power and has turned the country into a prison.

One such law, the "Civil Contingencies Act 2004" allows his/her Majesty or a Senior Minister of the Crown to make regulations if an "emergency" has or is deemed to be about to occur within the UK. Although the definition of the word "emergency" specifically covers disruption of fuel supplies, contamination of land with a chemical matter, an epidemic and last but not least a war or terrorism which threatens serious damage to the security of the United Kingdom. It also basically includes anything which is deemed to "threaten serious damage to human welfare or the environment".

The powers granted to ministers under this Act are startling as they include:

Banning access to "sensitive sites"
Evacuating affected areas
Using the armed forces
Requisitioning property
Stopping public gatherings
Setting up special court to deal with disaster

Alarmingly, it also gives the government the scope to effectively suspend Parliament and although, emergency regulations lapse after 30 days they can be further approved which could in effect lead to this continuing indefinitely - potentially turning Britain into a dictatorship.

These sweeping powers granted to ministers are even more frightening when combined with the authority granted under 'The Terrorism Act 2006' which allows the government to detain persons without trial for 28 days (likely to be 58 days soon) or place individuals suspected of involvement in terrorism under house arrest.

In passing these laws the government has used the fear of terrorism and events such as the fuel protests, the outbreak of Foot and Mouth Disease and flooding within the UK as reasons why such new legislation was needed. The fact that the current Government ignores public oppinion so readily and has often rushed such laws through Parliament which have arguably made little impact in protecting the public should start alarm bells ringing!

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Whilst I agree Britain is now a police state thanks in huge part to New Labour, some of the problems of today go much further back in recent history than simply today's generation.

To take the issue of the banning and restrictions of handguns in the UK, it all began as far back as 1870 when the 'Gun License' was introduced as a revenue measure. Shortly, thereafter the 'Pistols Act' was introduced in 1903 and after WW1 'The Firearms Act' was first introduced in 1920 due to the fear of crime because of the large number of weapons available after the war. Shortly before WW2 commenced, fully automatic weapons were pretty much completely banned from private ownership by the 1937 Firearms Act and then in 1960s the 'Criminal Justice Act' required persons to obtain a "Shotgun Certificate".

In 1988 following a serious incident in the UK the 'Firearms Amendment Act' prohibited the vast majority of semiautomatic and pump-action guns and rifles and required registration and secure storage of all weapons. In 1997 the then Labour Government completely banned all handguns for private ownership and the only ones' that escaped where basically antiques and of course some shotguns which are still covered by previous laws.

So by the time that all these acts had gone through and over such a long period of time, the vast majority Brits did not own a gun. And with the media frenzy following the Dunblane masacre Tony Blair's government jumped on this as the ideal opportunity to ban handguns completely.

But are we safer for it? The simple answer is no because criminals and thugs still gain easy access to guns and use them against us whilst the police and government just stand by and watch knowing full well we are now almost defenceless! Is it any wonder then that now they've achieved their goal of removing our right to protect ourselves that they have now turned their attemntion onto taking away our freedoms too

Beware people of the world for what happenned in the UK will happen to you next!

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EU treaties and publications abolishing Cornwall.

In addition to abolishing Britain as an independent nation, and the name England in all its forms, the European Union will also abolish the English counties including Cornwall, under its "Regionalisation policy."

1965 The EU publishes its first "Memo on Regionalisation" the "First Commission Communication on Regional Policy'.

1966 British politicians dutifully start to enforce this EU policy.

1971 The European Commission produced the map of England broken up into the 9 regions.

1973 EU "Common Regional Policy" established.

1987 Single European Act expanded Regional Policy

1992 Regionalisation was introduced in Article 198 of the Maastricht treaty, which re-stated much of the 1957 Treaty of Rome. Its 130 unreadable pages cross refer to other treaties by Article number, so without reading all the treaties at once, an impossible task, it conceals its true intent. Article 198 set up the Committees of the regions (24 representatives in UK).

1997 Amsterdam Treaty (Articles 263-5) Destroys England in all its forms and creates 9 regions responsible directly to Brussels, bypassing Westminster. Kent, Surrey and Sussex are to be ruled from Calais, effectively becoming part of France, except there won't be a France.

Cornwall will disappear into the SW Region, an EU "County" stretching from Lands End to Cheltenham, and be administered by the unelected authority in Exeter, who will get their orders direct from the Brussels government of unelected Commissioners.

The Committee of the Regions means 444 extra representatives to pay for in Europe, plus their staff, travel and other expenses

The creation of the new regional boundaries took place well over a decade ago, its used by a number of authorities (eg the RDA, FSB, and in the 1999 and 2004 EU elections to the powerless European Parliament. The map is in the foyer of the European Commission office in London, entitled: "Local Authorities in the United Kingdom".

1999 EUrostat NUTS maps published March also define the regions shape and size.

The SW Regional Assembly has already defined the boundaries for the Unitary authorities. SE Cornwall leaves what was Cornwall and joins Plymouth.

2002 John Prescott announced the plans to abolish the counties in Parliament April 2002 to the horror of his back benchers, who wanted it kept quiet.

2006? The EU will abolish our counties after the EU Constitution is ratified, currently planned for next year; then we are imprisoned in Europe, at least for our lifetimes.

David Noakes. http://drjn.co.uk

50 Reasons to leave the EU
http://www.scribd.com/doc/229783/Fifty-reasons-to-leave-the-EU

http://www.regionalassemblies.co.uk/index2.html

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Here is BBC news's take on it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7138316.stm

"Once again they are happy to treat the people of this country like fools."

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He's a friggin unelected Scotsman...how is this possible???:mad:

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He's a friggin unelected Scotsman...how is this possible???:mad:

It is possible because the whole country has been made to feel completely disaffected and isolated by this government.

The sheeple have been so brainwashed and confused by fear, that the ‘elite’ can get away with doing just about anything they want. Even to the extent of hijacking the country, taking away the people’s civil liberty’s and ultimately, making freedom and privacy a thing of the past.

This really does remind me of Bill Hicks, but the script has changed a little:

“Go back to sleep UK, your country is proud of you!
Here, watch X factor. Have I’m a celebrity! Watch as these ‘Z’ list celebrities, that you have never seen before, make fools of themselves on live TV for you and your pleasure, because you are special!
For without your complete compliance, non of this would be possible.

Go back to sleep UK, you have enough to worry about, what with the terrorists, global warming, bird flu and the impending currency collapse. (fear, fear, fear!)

But don’t you worry UK, go back to sleep, as you are special and we are in control of things now!”

The thing is there is a definite undercurrent of dissatisfaction running throughout the country. If you speak to anybody about the things that are taking place, they are not happy, but they always come back with the same old one liners such as “what can I do about it?” “My voice does not count” and the one that always makes my blood boil “It dose not affect me”

What I think need’s to happen is for every pressure group to link up, coordinate and set the alarm clocks to wake up the country in unison. The people need to see that the route of all of there problems lead to the same place, everything is connected, we are all one and through unity comes strength.

They know that the country uniting is there biggest threat, which is exactly why society is becoming more and more disjointed by the day. This is also why the immigration problem, is not really a problem, dived and conquer!

I say, park your cars on every major road in every major city in the UK. Turn the country into the biggest car park on the planet and leave them there until we get our country back.
Let’s face it the police will be powerless to do anything and at the moment they are as disaffected and pissed off as the rest of us and come to mention it, so are the armed forces.

I don’t have all the answers, but I see very dark times ahead if people do not wake up and start to think of solutions.

Anyhow, sorry about that rant, but it’s been building up for some time now and I just had top get it out.:mad:
Time to breath :eek: .....and relax :).

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ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH

There now i feel better too!

Makes me want to go and park my car on the motorway!!!(well that's if i had a car, and i could drive that is)
Anyway the feelings there. Maybe i'll just go lay in the main road!!~ maybe no on my own (people would think i got a death wish, rather than demonstrating!!!!) :D:D

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You have to ask whether this is actually illegal, in the fact that he has not been officially elected to power and that in this respect, everything that he does, does not stand legally:cool:


Nifty:mad:

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If only that were true Nifty :(, have you seen the minstery of truth site http://www.ministry-of-truth.net/index.php See what you local MP thinks(that is if your in the UK)

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brown should be hanged for treason!

i think theres a bit of bullshitting going on here.I think that by him not turning up to the signing at lisbon today ,he thinks we will all think he might not sign or our parliment is more important than this eu treaty.

this cunt IS going to sign .WTF is going on here? wheres our fucking say in it ?

are people just not arsed what these shady fuckers get up to any more??

Im fucking off to oz fuck it ,fuck em all !!!

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ITN new made the story to be just about wether brown was there or not.

not once did they mention what the signing meant and interviewed no one with any opposition.

how i laughed.

only been in england a few weeks of the past year and am off again soon.

live in england? not for me. not a chance.

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EU leaders sign landmark treaty

EU leaders have signed a treaty in the Portuguese capital, Lisbon, that is expected to greatly alter the way the 27-nation body operates.

The treaty creates an EU president and a more powerful foreign policy chief.

The document, signed at a ceremony at the city's historic Jeronimos Monastery, also scraps veto powers in many policy areas.

It is a replacement for the EU constitution, which was abandoned following French and Dutch opposition.

EU leaders insist that the two texts are in no way equivalent.

But the Lisbon treaty incorporates some of the draft constitution's key reforms, and several governments face domestic pressure over the document.

In a speech before the signing, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso called on European leaders to use the treaty to make freedom, prosperity and solidarity an everyday reality for all European citizens.

"From this old continent, a new Europe is born," he said.

Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency, said the treaty would create a more modern, efficient and democratic union.

"The world needs a stronger Europe," he said.

The leaders signed the treaty, translated into the EU's 23 official languages, using specially engraved silver fountain pens as a choir sang Beethoven's Ode to Joy.

UK signing

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown signed the treaty later in the day after missing the ceremony, citing a prior engagement in the British parliament.

UK PM signing Treaty of Lisbon, 13 Dec 2007
Mr Brown signed the treaty hours after fellow EU leaders
Foreign Secretary David Miliband attended the signing ceremony.

The UK's opposition Conservatives accused Mr Brown of "not having the guts" to sign the treaty, which is politically controversial in Britain, in public.

Having started this year with a celebration of its 50th birthday, the EU hopes the signing of the Lisbon treaty will end the serious mid-life crisis brought about by the death of the constitution, the BBC's Oana Lungescu reports.

There will be a lot of relief, said a senior European diplomat, but also some apprehension about what happens next.

Ireland is the only country planning to hold a referendum, but most voters there seem either undecided or indifferent.

Parliaments in Britain, the Netherlands and Denmark are also expected to give a turbulent reception to the 250-page text.


Jeronimos monastery

Symbol of Portuguese history
However, Germany, France and Poland have pledged to be among the first to ratify it, so that the new reforms can come into force in 2009 as planned.

The treaty is a slimmed-down version of the European constitution, with a more modest name and without any reference to EU symbols such as the flag and anthem.

It is meant to ease decision-making, by scrapping national vetoes in some 50 policy areas, including sensitive ones such as police and judicial co-operation.

There will also be a foreign policy chief, controlling a big budget and thousands of diplomats and officials, and a permanent EU president appointed for up to five years.

But some already fear that instead of giving Europe a strong single voice in the world, the new posts will only generate more rivalry, our correspondent adds.

from the bbc

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And that smarmy get Bliar waiting in the wings to become EU president.

The Great Betrayal of the British People - By the art of misdirection.

The rise of dictator Blair - Please be assured we are not members of The EU and never have been. We only think we are members because we have been duped.

John Harris 10.05.2007

Recently we started to display the image [on the right] on our home page, which invoked quite a response. This was done for a specific reason, and the effect it had was incredible and resulted in the TPUC network receiving information that is of the up most importance. What sparked the reaction was the fact we displayed an image of the Queen being listed as a traitor to the United Kingdom. The Constitutional information you are about to read on this page has been researched for over thirty years and has been passed to us. We will now show you not only how the government has duped us into believing we are part of the EU, but how they have installed a dictatorship in Parliament, adopting EU Police state Laws for British Laws, and duping the British people into believing, they have to abide by them.

Article continues:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370313.html

I am not a citizen of Europe, I am an English subject, so I am an Englishman.
http://www.tpuc.org/node/61

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The Monarchy & The Laws of the Constitution.

Thank you for providing these sources, John. I know that through 'the law' they deceive and by 'the law' we can triumph. The difficulty that I have is that these laws are so old and have been obfuscated for nefarious purposes - most politicians are lawyers.

The fact that these laws also demand that the Soveriegn governs the nation in accordance with the terms of the coronation oath, means that this Queen has also committed 'treason' and much else besides.. Research uncovers that the Royal Family are beholdent to The Vatican (which also contravenes laws against Catholic influence on the Soveriengn 'right to rule') and a body of research which also points to a controversy that the so-called Windsors are not the lawful heirs to the Throne of England! They are neither from or for this land and their relatives rule America too. Before WW11 they did not even speak English, but German (I suspect, Yiddish). The Crown has little to do with the nation of England, more a satellite to Vatican City and The Crown governs Law enacted within The City by Knights Templars who owe no allegiance to the people of this nation.

The entire legal edifice is Maritime Law which is Martial Law, in effect. So, you see, it is not simply a matter of examining the treasonous activities of Parliament, but of Royalty itself. That we should rebel by disengagement and withdrawal in the first instance is not in question. That we can benefit from laws passed in the past and still standing, gives much reassurance.However, I would say, that having done so, we need to forge a new blueprint which affords protection and freedom in this super-technological era and we also need to uncover the truth of our history, both as a nation and a race. It is within the complexity of these issues that I kind of 'fog out' when it comes to turning to such laws; after all, the UN resolutions sounded noble and fair enough to be adopted into law.

They never were and have been amended to the point that they have no meaning as to their original intent and content. Then one discovers that they were based on the Communist Manifesto in the first place!

My answer.

I quite appreciate your difficulties in this Age of Lies & Liars, but let me try to make things clear between us.

In the first place, we seem to be agreed that ‘by the law we can triumph’, and this is important, because no intelligent person should be looking for another Civil War!

Leaving aside for a moment, your personal comments about the Queen and her family, we need to reach agreement on the proper function of the Monarchy itself, and before saying anything else I believe that we can agree that this proper function has nothing at all to do with the cheap posturing that is being ‘permitted’ to Our Sovereign by the Thieves & Liars who are now holding Our Queen in absolute captivity and contempt.

I must suggest to you that the true function of the Sovereign is to act as the Chief Magistrate in our Society, with authority to ‘create’ and maintain the law, and with the duty & powers necessary to preserve and protect the security of both Our Country and Our People, under the Rule of Law.

There is no question of the Sovereign being endowed with any Absolute Power to Govern Us, because the Contract between Crown & People was established in 1688/89 and is now evidenced by both the Bill of Rights and the Coronation Oath. These two documents together place an absolute requirement on the Sovereign that we will be governed in full accordance with our laws and customs and in no other way.

The Power of the Sovereign is ultimately regulated by the lawful power of the people to withhold all and any taxation that may be required to pay for the functions of Government – and you will see for yourself that this lawful power to withhold taxation provides a Supreme Veto on any proposal made by any Sovereign that Dictatorship be imposed or Arbitrary Power. Exercised.

Now we should turn to the question of what is going wrong with the Government of Our Society – and I suggest to you that the very simple answer to this question is being provided by the newspapers; the radio and the television every single day. Of the week.


Corrupt & Lawless People are being sent into the House of Commons by the people, as representatives of the people: It is very plain to see that corrupt & lawless people are now sitting in the House of Commons, and these so-called elected representatives are without loyalty to anyone or anything other than them.

These dangerous and disastrous ‘representatives of the People’ have abandoned all pretence of performing their lawful function of representing the people, and are now claiming Sovereignty for themselves, using the excuse that they have ‘the mandate of the people’ for everything and anything that they are doing and/or proposing.to do.

Added to everything else that is wrong with these elected representative, they are untrained in anything, and thus we are seeing the ‘cock-ups’ in absolutely everything!

The implied threat of abolishing the Monarchy is now being held over the head of the only lawful Sovereign by these worthless people, like a Sword of Damocles, and in consequence of this treason a very well educated and responsible elderly lady is being subjected to an abuse that is destroying our country; our security; our system of justice and our ways of life.
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In short, I must suggest to you that the British People are guilty of creating their own Misery and Destruction, by electing Faithless; Worthless & Treacherous People to the House of Commons, which must now be seen as the Seat of the Disease that is now appearing everywhere and destroying everything in its path (and that means everything that is clean; good and true).

Having said all of that, I must now invite you to take a good look at the Laws of the Constitution, which are designed for the purpose of preventing all such disasters as are now facing us (because of our own stupidity and laziness in the choice of the representatives. Speaking for us at a great financial cost to all of us).

1. The Laws of the Constitution provide that Our Allegiance to the Crown must be Absolute, and in return for this allegiance, we are guaranteed the protection of the Crown – and all Servants & Ministers of the Crown - in all meaningful areas of our lives. (Declaration & Bill of Rights, 1689).

2. We are legally empowered to enter into Lawful Rebellion against the Crown, if the Laws of Our Constitution are broken – on the clear understanding that we must return to our obedience, when Right has been restored (Magna Carta, 1215);

3. That it is an Act of Treason to remove the Sovereign from the full; lawful and Supreme exercise of Government. (Treason Act 1351 & Treason & Felony Act, 1848):

4. That it is an Act of Treason to provide Aid &/or Comfort to Traitors (Treason & Felony Act, 1848):

5. That the People of England (&, by extension, of the UK) may NOT be subjected to the Temporal (ie Civil) or Spiritual Rule of Foreign Princes; Prelates; States or Potentates (Declaration & Bill of Rights, 1689 & The Privy Council Oath that is sworn by all Cabinet Members of Every Government, whenever any person is admitted to ANY Cabinet by ANY Sovereign or Prime Minister).

It will be clear to you that notwithstanding all of these safeguards that are provided by the Laws of the Constitution, present-day politicians are now selling our country into the hands of the European Union, in breach of the law.

This does not mean that the Laws of the Constitution are Wrong – It means only that present-day politicians are acting outside of the Law, and in a manner that is inconsistent with the Oaths of Office that they have undertaken.

In consequence of the treachery to the British Crown & People that is now being given effect by the Liars & Thieves who are sitting in the Queen’s Government , it is time for Open Rebellion to begin (and to continue until such time as Right has been restored)!

Turning now to your comments about the Queen & her family –

It seems very clear to me that if the Queen has departed from her duty to the British People, then it is for her People to bring her back to this duty, without delay - and the process of Lawful Rebellion can be fully justified for this purpose alone.

On the other hand, if, as I suspect, the Queen is being subjected to forms of threat & duress by the politicians, which is serving to prevent her from performing her lawful duties as Sovereign, to the full.

Then it is for her people to release her from the Prison in which she is being held by the vicious & treacherous ‘representatives of the people’ whom I have already identified.

In conclusion, I have to say that I am very familiar with the Conspiracy Theory that you are representing when you offer speculation about ‘the Windsors’ as a family.

This particular Conspiracy Theory linking the Windsors to the Vatican; to the Jews and to some secret rule of America is quite definitely no more than colourful speculation, and your suggestion that the Windsors are not the lawful heirs to the throne is denied by the provisions of the Bill of Rights, 1689, which was enacted for the specific purpose of ‘Settleing the Succession to the Crown’ for all time to come.

Finally, I would like to address your suggestion that we now need a ‘new blueprint’ for our future. I am all in favour of ‘evolution’ designed to the purpose of creating greater security for our Country and greater safety for the people of this island, BUT it is very clear to me that all/any such ‘evolution’ would be controlled by the very people who are now defying the existing rules and destroying us – and for this reason I see greater safety in the Laws of the Constitution than in the ‘witterings’ & speculations of the present-day Liars & Thieves who are unable to obey even their own short-term laws, whenever money (ie. Personal profit) is entered into the equation!

With regard to your comments on the UN Declaration of Human Rights, it may be useful for you to know that the written Constitution of the Soviet Union was one of the finest attempts ever made to define the legal rights of the individual, but it has to be said that if any Soviety Citizen asked to see &/or to rely upon this document, then long term imprisonment with hard labour (and most usually in a Gulag) was the end-result of such a request.

Politicians & Dictators have always been the self-serving robber-barons of their day – I must suggest to you that now is the time to avoid the creation of more robber-barons, and to rely upon the work of our ancestors who were prepared to die in the process of defeating their own robber-barons and who left us with the Structure of Freedom that is our Inheritance and that is guaranteed by the rule of Our Sovereign Lady, if we take all steps necessary to ensure that she is both allowed and encouraged to perform her lawful function as the Ultimate Defender. Of Our Liberties & Freedoms.

John Harris.

http://www.tpuc.org/node/153

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The legal grounds for withholding tax

“the solemn renunciation of war as an instrument of national policy necessarily involves the proposition that such war is illegal in international law; and that those who plan and wage such a war with its inevitable and terrible consequences are committing a crime in so doing...”
Nuremburg War Crimes Tribunal

Every UK citizen is bound by the laws of war, in particular the General Treaty for the Renunciation of War, the UN Charter, the Nuremburg Principles, the Rome Statute and the International Criminal Court Act 2001. When the judges at Nuremburg turned down the German leaders’ defence that they were duty bound to follow Hitler’s orders, they ruled that every citizen is responsible for the actions of their government and has a duty to disobey illegal orders.

“individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience imposed by the individual State. Acting in pursuance of a Government order does not relieve a person from responsibility under international law, if the State in authorising action moves outside its competence under international law”

http://www.peacestrike.org.uk/docs/LegalGroundsForWithholdingTax_V2.pdf

[steevo]

ITN new made the story to be just about wether brown was there or not.

not once did they mention what the signing meant and interviewed no one with any opposition.

how i laughed.

only been in england a few weeks of the past year and am off again soon.

live in england? not for me. not a chance.

I noticed that too. I was watching a BBC1 news summary this evening and what it said was something like "Gordon Brown criticized for not attending the EU Signing Ceremony". This proves yet again that the BBC is in on all the conspiracies. From this news report it APPEARED that Gordon Brown did NOT sign the "constitution" when in fact he DID.

Update : I am watching the news on BBC and it is saying exactly what you said dark86. They news report is concentrating on Gordon Brown not being there at the ceremony, as if THAT makes a difference :mad: The report itself didnt last very long and they had William Hague pretending that he gives a shit.

[zander]

EU chaos as heckling British MEPs chanting 'referendum' ordered to leave Parliament

Daily Mail
Wednesday, December 12, 2007


British Euro MPs led a noisy protest yesterday at a signing ceremony for a new EU rights charter. Around 100 heckling Eurosceptics from Britain, France, Poland and Italy wrecked what was supposed to be a solemn event at the Strasbourg Parliament.

They waved placards and banners, stamped, booed and chanted "referendum". Opponents called them "hooligans" who shamed Britain.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501526&in_page_id=1811

Next they will be arrested for terrorism!

[waterbwoy]

Mentioned on Newsnight. And the sheeple let the issue get sidetracked into it being about gordon's 'guts'.

OMG one guy actually said 'I was embarrased he was late' implying otherwise it would have been ok ?!?

[godspeed]

never thought id be saying that again and knowing it is the truth....i was really angry today warching that on the news took me a few hours to calm down,and all the regional stuff just does'nt make sense,unless it is for DIVIDE and CONQUER purposes,shame on all of them,sad day for the country

[synergy777]

today is a day i will never forget, england has months if that left.

[cruise4]

That PDF link:
http://www.peacestrike.org.uk/docs/LegalGroundsForWithholdingTax_V2.pdf

[zander]

I am loving the comments at the bottom of this article, it seems that we are not the only ones to be thinking revolutionary thoughts?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=502052&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

[on the road]

I'm fucking well up for a revolution !!

[zander]

I'm fucking well up for a revolution !!

You and me both mate, but when, where and how?

I have even taken to posting this bulletin on myspace.

I wanted to write to you to ask for some words of wisdom.

I and many others in the UK are now seeing the Big Brother society being built before our very eye's. We are already over 3/4's of the way to this plan being accomplished and very soon the predictions and warnings of George Orwell will become reality.

As I type this, the final nails are being placed, soon to be hammered into what was once Great Britain's heart and soon she will be no more than one of the united states of Europe.

I fear that we have no way out. An election in this country will not come in time to stop this madness from taking place. We will have no way of taking an active part in a desission that will effectivly mean the abolision of Britain.
This has now been proven, as the voices for referendum have been screaming at the top of there voices for so long, but carry on to be ignored. Lets face facts, the political process just is not working.

I feel sick to the pit of my stomach to think that, a prime minister, that is un-elected can have the power to purely ignore over 75% of the public in this way. Surly this can now officially be call treason? This country can officially now be called a democracy free zone if this is allowed to carry on.

So my question to you is.

What do you suggest we do to stop this and how can we go about stopping this before it is in place, as once it's done, we will not be able to get out of this horrendous trap?

I would like to think that a peaceful protest or march is the way to go, but that tactic is proven to be unsuccessful. For proof of this you only have to look at the anti war march, that saw a million turn out before the illegal invasion of Iraq. They were all ignored.

Maybe there would be grounds for the with holding of tax's, however if this is not done in unity with the rest of the country, the few that take part will only be persecuted by the police state.

The only action that I can possibly see having any effect to this, may be considered drastic, but these are drastic times and as they say, drastic times call for drastic measures.

Yours sincerely. A concerned English man,

Zander.

P.S
If anybody has an answer to this question, please feel free to mail me the answer.

[synergy777]

if we in the uk do great things for freedom, the world will unite. as we have the international standing and intellectual gravitas. people will look to us. if you think about it so far america is the leader in the conspiracy field, we have to step up lads and represent. we might be from different cultures, me being indian/sikh, but we were all born here, and will all most probably have families, and future generations here. so its in our "shared" interest to stand up now.

so what ya think lads, shall we?

[on the road]

You and me both mate, but when, where and how?

I have even taken to posting this bulletin on myspace.


great open letter that.

worthy of a thread of its own .

as for answers ? fuck knows but there must be some group of like minded people with plans for a march or something .

we need to stand the fuck up and get counted .

[on the road]

if we in the uk do great things for freedom, the world will unite. as we have the international standing and intellectual gravitas. people will look to us. if you think about it so far america is the leader in the conspiracy field, we have to step up lads and represent. we might be from different cultures, me being indian/sikh, but we were all born here, and will all most probably have families, and future generations here. so its in our "shared" interest to stand up now.

so what ya think lads, shall we?

spot on mate !

count me in.

[synergy777]

think about the two world wars, everybody united in those two. india provided the most soldiers for the brits then. sikh regiments, etc

we all pull in together, there are no limits to what we can acheive.

not only that, but its about time we won something or were the best at something, i hate losing, and being an england fan, i have been hurt very much in my lifetime, well no bloody more. lol

[on the road]

Im amazed that there is no cunt doing anything about this.

we got transaction kicking off over the fuel prices and rightly so but its only because they are feeling the hit in the wallet in the here and now but europe ? do they give a fuck? do they fuck .when we join and all power goes to europe we wont have a pot to piss in never mind buying fuel .lets look at the bigger picture ffs.

[zander]

so what ya think lads, shall we?

I think the answer has to be yes, but how to mobilize the country into unity?

P.S
My Mrs is sat next to me (angledust on this forum) and she say's, what about the lases?

[on the road]

the eutruths website is a scary read

does anybody know if the info is spot on ?

if it is we should get some fliers printed and sent to local councils in the uk.

we need to wake people up and get the ball rolling.

[zander]

I have already started printing flyer's out and began placing them around work.

[synergy777]

bloody hell man, pc brigade, lol of course the lasses are involved. funny thing about lasses, add a letter, take one away it becomes a name of a famous dog, lol

all of us, female and male in unison.

anyway i gotta go, get ready for a night of mates, drinks and music, then tommorrow i will watch man utd beat liverpool, lol

have good weekend, cu soon.

1love/peace

[zander]

bloody hell man, pc brigade, lol of course the lasses are involved. funny thing about lasses, add a letter, take one away it becomes a name of a famous dog, lol

My Mrs says Woof woof! lol:D

Have a great night!;)

Namaste!

[gremlin]

we all speak big, when it comes to it we do nothing just like this fuel strike. england has fragmented away, pack up your bags and move to the moon;)

[zander]

we all speak big, when it comes to it we do nothing just like this fuel strike. england has fragmented away, pack up your bags and move to the moon

I wish I could say you were wrong, but unfortunately, I can't.

Most of the true patriots from this country, have already left and gone the country in shame at what it has become. To the patriots that are left, it feels like we are the minority, this was probably a major part of the plan for this open borders policy that the government has pursued for so long, despite all of the warnings.

[illuminatiman]

Hi everyone

I am new to the forum, i have just started reading and reserching David Ickes theories and it has had a life changing effect on me.

I agree i think people dont think that these issues effect them and walk around in a daze and put up with anything, i rerfer to them as the walking dead! :(

We are sleerp walking into a facist state and when people finally realise this it will be too late.:confused:

[on the road]

Hi everyone

I am new to the forum, i have just started reading and reserching David Ickes theories and it has had a life changing effect on me.

I agree i think people dont think that these issues effect them and walk around in a daze and put up with anything, i rerfer to them as the walking dead! :(

We are sleerp walking into a facist state and when people finally realise this it will be too late.:confused:

Sad but true.It would take a rocket up the arse to wake most people up.

Its not looking good at the mo.