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misscpb
12-12-2007, 12:26 AM
Hi Everyone

Does anyone know the true meaning of the following please:-


What is the meaning of the Christmas Tree & Lights
Why don't Jehovah Witness's Celebrate Christmas


Many Thanks

lilly555
12-12-2007, 12:35 AM
FOR THE TREE...the evergreen species that has become popular for the masses is shaped in a triangle/pyramid shape. The star on top speaks for itself..i.e. illuminated/capstone/etc...

my sis is a jehova w. and i dunno why they don't celebrate...they don't celebrate any holidays...maybe they are on to something hehehe

misscpb
12-12-2007, 02:41 AM
Thanks for that, :p

drael
12-12-2007, 06:21 AM
The christmas tree comes from the ancient european festival of winter, the festival of lights. Primarily they just put lights up in the trees (candles), outdoors and had a feast, although there is much mythology associated with it, some of which is still in christmas, like santas elves (who are based on european christmas pransksters). The idea was, like most winter festivals, to get more energy, warm up and lighten the mood. Enventually the festival was annexed by the christian chruch, and it evolved to become what it is now....

jimijams
12-12-2007, 06:40 AM
Hi Everyone

Does anyone know the true meaning of the following please:-


What is the meaning of the Christmas Tree & Lights
Why don't Jehovah Witness's Celebrate Christmas


Many Thanks

This is an interesting explanation..



The original sin between Adam and Eve was that they consumned each others own sexual fluids. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad was Adam's penis. If you use a digital camera to take a picture of your erect penis on the side you see when looking down at it and put the picture into your computer you can fit an equilateral triangle around the head of it. This is the Christmas tree. Anamita Muscaria mushrooms (magic mushrooms) grow under evergreen trees and are psychoactive. The Christmas tree is the tree of the knowledge of good and bad which is a symbol for Adam's penis. Semen contains huge amouts of the biochemical substances of PUTRECINE, SPERMIDINE and SPERMINE. SPERMIDINE and SPERMINE are involved in nucleic acid replication in the body and especially the brain which is a DNA computer. PUTRECINE is called PUTRECINE because it smells and taste PUTRID. The substance can also be found in rotton meat and menustration and shit. The original sin altered man's mind and caused man to think in abstract ways and gave them the proclivity and drive to invent and construct things and delve into science that has resulted in all technology we see today. The pursuit of science is destroying the Earth as everything man does is destroying the very planet we live on. This knowledge from Satan the Serpent was a poison knowledge.

The serpent was also Adam's penis. The medical symbol the Caduceus is a pole with a pine cone on top with two serpents wrapped around it. The two serpents are male and female and they are the double helix of DNA and they also represent the Hindu rise of the first (anus) and second (sexual organs) chakras up the spinal column untill they reach the 6th chakra the pineal gland in the center of the brain the seat of imagination, spiritual insight and awareness. This insight can come from the Holy Spirit of YEHOVAH as all the understanding of these things I attribute to him because he has truly lifted my blinders. But information can also come from Satan and his demons from a defiled body and mind. Satan uses the mesolymbic system of the brain to comunicate with man by giving him "advancements" in technology. Sometimes these new "ideas" come in dreams or a preminition in the night. Always this technology that is being given man will lead to man's further degidation and the eventual destruction of the very planet we live on.

Going back to the picture of the penis with the equilateral triangle around the head of it. In the corners there are three empty spaces where you can make three equilateral triangles in the corners. The one in the East is the rising son Horus the one at the top is Amen Ra and the one on the left is Osiris. In Egyption mythology Osiris was chopped up into 13 peices and Isis his lover found all but one peice of Osiris and put him back togther. The only peice she could not find was his penis so she impregnated herself with an evergreen tree while at the same time remained a virgin. A symbol for consuming the semen through oral sex. She gave birth to Horus a hawk headed son god which replaced Osiris' missing penis. The Egyption obelisk is Horus and Osiris' missing penis. Isis ate the mushroom which is a symbol also for the penis and looks like a penis in its early stage. The Horus rising is the the acent of the chakras up the spinal column to the "third eye" the 6th chakra the pineal gland. Occultic scientist magicians named the pineal gland after the pinecone and the penis.

Back to the picture of the penis with the triangle around the head of it. That triangle is the pyramid and the same pyramid on the back of the American one dollar bill. The eye of the penis is the eye on the back of the one dollar bill the second chakra that unites with the 6th chakra the pineal gland. The caduceus is a representation of the serpents the sexual chakras rising to the pineal gland which is in the center of the mesolymbic system of the brain. The center of the brain. The 7th hindu chakra is on the top of the head and this one is achieved when the person is dead and their spirit escapes their body. Satan's original lie that you do not really die. The Christmas tree is Adam's penis which gave man a kind of corrupt defiled knowledge that is leading to his further degridation and eventual self suicide if YEHOVAH did not lovingly intervene and put and end to the madness that Satan has started. PUTRECINE is also found in shit and the first Hindu chakra is the anus. In Kundalini Yoga to eat the semen of the Hindu god Shiva is to gain "salvation and enlightenment" but as you can see it actually imparts damnation and darkness. Most people will decorate their home this year with the Christmas tree and put the forbidden fruits the ornaments on them and give "thanks" to Satan for all the fabricated things inside the presents which is a substitution for the animita muscaria magic mushrooms. The apostate lie of the trinity is taken from the Egyptian Mysteries. Osiris = Father --- Amen Ra = Holy Spirit ---- Horus = Son ---- Isis = Mary ------- Note the trinity doctrine of Christendom is a fabricated lie of Satan and is an apostacy from the truth that YEHOVAH is ONE not three.

Spermine is also a neurotransmitter in the brain. Yes sexual fluids are psychoactive and consuming them will affect the way a person thinks and behaves. The only way to reverse this if you were stupid enough to do it is to pray to YEHOVAH for forgiveness and accept his Son YESHUWA as your savior.


http://www.prattle.net/archives/002079.html

i_am
12-12-2007, 06:59 AM
http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs_witnesses/holidays.htm

Jesus never commanded Christians to celebrate his birth. Rather, he told his disciples to memorialize, or remember, his death. (Luke 22:19, 20) Christmas and its customs come from ancient false religions. The same is true of Easter customs, such as the use of eggs and rabbits. The early Christians did not celebrate Christmas or Easter, nor do true Christians today.

The only two birthday celebrations spoken of in the Bible were held by persons who did not worship Jehovah. (Genesis 40:20-22; Mark 6:21, 22, 24-27) The early Christians did not celebrate birthdays. The custom of celebrating birthdays comes from ancient false religions. True Christians give gifts and have good times together at other times during the year. {1}

snoopsnuffleopagus
12-12-2007, 07:55 AM
http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs_witnesses/holidays.htm

Jesus never commanded Christians to celebrate his birth. Rather, he told his disciples to memorialize, or remember, his death. (Luke 22:19, 20) Christmas and its customs come from ancient false religions. The same is true of Easter customs, such as the use of eggs and rabbits. The early Christians did not celebrate Christmas or Easter, nor do true Christians today.

The only two birthday celebrations spoken of in the Bible were held by persons who did not worship Jehovah. (Genesis 40:20-22; Mark 6:21, 22, 24-27) The early Christians did not celebrate birthdays. The custom of celebrating birthdays comes from ancient false religions. True Christians give gifts and have good times together at other times during the year. {1}


Cordial Felicitations:


This is a very profound point I AM brought forth. At both these Birthday Feasts a man was murdered.

One of them was Yachannan the Immerser (John the Baptist)


Yahweh instructs, through His Prophet Yeremyah (Jeremia) on this matter explicitly:


YEREMYAH Chapter 10


10:2: This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way; religious practices, of the heathen; Gentile Nations; and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them; using them to set their feasts.


10:3 For the religious customs of the people are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.


10:4 They decorate it with silver & gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not move; topple over.


December 25=Nimrod Birthday>Reincarnated as an Evergreen Tree


Nimrod was a mighty Tyrant who opposed Yahweh, he built the Tower of Babel


In Egypt the sun god Osiris was born on December 25

In the Roman World, this was the time of the Saturnalia Festivals & Feasts


December 25 as Date of Nativity was established By the Emperor Constatine, 4th century. A unique Character as he has been the only man worshipped as a Pagan God and as a Christian Saint.

The name Christmas appeared in the 9th century.

In the Book of Yahweh there are 7 High Holy Days. These are Yahwehs Holy Days. Anyone who wishes to observe them is more than welcome.

And the added Memorial for Yahshua (Jesus).

6 of the Holy Days & the Memorial are Feasts, one, the Day of At-one-ment is a Fast, for 24 hours.


There is no Scriptural Authority for this Holi(holy)day, Rather this is worship (service) to the hinder gods.

The Irony is far beyond astonishing.

This knowledge is part of the Awakening.


Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

optimus pigpot
12-12-2007, 09:08 AM
Cordial Felicitations:


This is a very profound point I AM brought forth. At both these Birthday Feasts a man was murdered.

One of them was Yachannan the Immerser (John the Baptist)


Yahweh instructs, through His Prophet Yeremyah (Jeremia) on this matter explicitly:


YEREMYAH Chapter 10


10:2: This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way; religious practices, of the heathen; Gentile Nations; and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them; using them to set their feasts.


10:3 For the religious customs of the people are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.


10:4 They decorate it with silver & gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not move; topple over.


December 25=Nimrod Birthday>Reincarnated as an Evergreen Tree


Nimrod was a mighty Tyrant who opposed Yahweh, he built the Tower of Babel


In Egypt the sun god Osiris was born on December 25

In the Roman World, this was the time of the Saturnalia Festivals & Feasts


December 25 as Date of Nativity was established By the Emperor Constatine, 4th century. A unique Character as he has been the only man worshipped as a Pagan God and as a Christian Saint.

The name Christmas appeared in the 9th century.

In the Book of Yahweh there are 7 High Holy Days. These are Yahwehs Holy Days. Anyone who wishes to observe them is more than welcome.

And the added Memorial for Yahshua (Jesus).

6 of the Holy Days & the Memorial are Feasts, one, the Day of At-one-ment is a Fast, for 24 hours.


There is no Scriptural Authority for this Holi(holy)day, Rather this is worship (service) to the hinder gods.

The Irony is far beyond astonishing.

This knowledge is part of the Awakening.No it's not. It's more FEAR that's all.


Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Surely Snoops the Beano is a better read.......

misscpb
14-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Thank you everyone

octopusrex
14-12-2007, 03:05 PM
For a small child, not knowing anything about history, religion, cults, jahova, krsna or the easter bunny, the Christmas Tree means that Santa Claus will come down from the chimmeny to bring presents.

A time of wonder and togetherness. A nice wuzzy-feeing.

I do tend to agree tho, that they should be placed outside, in their natural environment.. But then, if yer in Alaska, it can get pretty cold.

tiagociriaco
11-07-2010, 08:05 PM
MORE ABOUT: Christmas tree and the original sin

From the eleventh century, religious plays called "mystery plays" became quite popular throughout Europe. These plays were performed outdoors and in churches. One of the most prevalent of these plays was the "Paradise play." The play depicted the story of the creation of Adam and Eve, their sin, and their banishment from Paradise. The play would end with the promise of the coming Savior and His Incarnation (cf. Gen. 3:15). The Paradise play was simple by today's standards. The only prop on stage was the "Paradise tree," a fir tree adorned with apples. From this tree, at the appropriate time in the play, Eve would take the fruit, eat it, and give it to Adam.


Because of abuses that crept into the mystery plays (i.e., immoral behavior), the Church forbade these plays during the fifteenth century. The people had grown so accustomed to the Paradise tree, however, that they began putting their own Paradise tree up in their homes on Dec. 24. They did so on Dec. 24 because this was the feast day of Adam and Eve (at least in the Eastern Church). The Paradise tree, as it had in the Paradise plays, symbolized both a tree of sin and a tree of life. For this reason, the people would decorate these trees with apples (representing the fruit of sin) and homemade wafers (like communion wafers which represented the fruit of life). Later, candy and sweets were added.

READ MORE...
http://www.orlutheran.com/html/chrtree.html

and

ADAM and EVE´s day
http://christmas-celebrations.org/5-adam-and-eve-day.html

kbeet
11-07-2010, 11:03 PM
the dutch invented decorating a tree on christmass

nelletuorg7
12-07-2010, 01:49 AM
During Saturnalia Trees were decorated... with the heads of the sacrificed. Christmas trees come from pagan roots.

nicolaj
12-07-2010, 07:34 AM
It's nothing to do with Christ that's for sure.

elirien
12-07-2010, 12:57 PM
We saw at some documentary that it is the Germanic symbol of a fully illuminated tree of life. Beautiful under that context.

nimbus
12-07-2010, 01:15 PM
A long post but will help clear up or create more of the lies & myths of Christmas

Christmas is the celebration of the winter solstice not the birth of Christ.
On 22nd December the sun stops moving south in the northern hemisphere and remains stationary in the sky for three days in the area of the constellation of the southern cross. On 25th December it moves one degree north signifying the journey back towards summer. The Pagans celebrated a feast on this day to mark the lengthening of the days. There were sacrifices to the Woodland Spirit (Green man) who had a long beard and was dressed in green (Father Christmas. He always wore green & was later hijacked by Coca Cola and was shown wearing their colours and has worn red & white ever since). In the forest at this time there were three main plants/trees that remained green. Fir trees, Holly trees & Mistletoe. All three feature in Christmas tradition and are evergreens in an otherwise dead forest.

Holly is a sacred tree that must not be cut down. Apparently even today in Britain if a piece of land ownership is in dispute and there isn't any way to easily define where the border of the land ends if there is a Holly tree there then this is used as the marker the thinking being that it will have been there for a long time.

Mistletoe is what you kiss under at Christmas. Why? because Pagans believed that it promoted fertility.

The Fir tree was decorated by the Pagans and the entrails of the sacrifices were hung from the branches to worship the green of the tree and make the sun return north warming up the lands and making the other trees turn green. The intestines are now represented by tinsel, the kidney, heart & liver by baubles. When the light reflects off the fresh sacrifices then glitter, red, purple & yellow as does our more modern version. The Christmas lights are just a variation on this theme.



Don't believe that Christmas isn't a Christian based festival?

Then have a think about Easter. We can define to the exact date when Jesus was born yet when it gets to Easter the day we celebrate his resurrection it changes ever year. Why is that? Why can't we just celebrate it on say 21st March?
Easter is always the first Sunday after or on the first full moon, after the Spring (vernal) Equinox. What has the Equinox and full moons got to do with Jesus? Sounds a bit Pagan sun & star worship-ish to me.

The egg is filled with strong symbolism for Pagans as is the hare that is noticeable at this time of year (mad March hares). Like the Woodland Spirit the Pagan hare & egg has been hijacked.

”In early Chinese mythology the hare was a symbol for resurrection. In fact the Chinese don't refer to 'the man in the moon', they refer to 'the hare in the moon'. This hare in the moon is said to pound the herb of immortality. In Europe there is evidence of a cult of a hare goddess. In Saxon times the Goddess Oestara or Eostre was said to rule over the spring and the dawn. Her sacred animal was the hare that was also the symbol of the moon. Coincidentally, the gestation period of a hare is 28 days which is comparable with the moons monthly cycle. And whilst talking cycles it is also interesting to note that the female monthly cycle is affected by the hormone oestrogen and also lasts about 28 days. The moon hare was supposed to have laid the Cosmic Egg from which emerged all life. It is from Eostre that we get the festival of Easter which originally celebrated the coming of spring. It was only when the Christians came along that the festival was bastardised to represent their celebration thus overshadowing the origin pagan concepts.”



:mad: For any Christians offended by what I have just written then don't be. The birth & resurrection of Jesus are celebrated at these times for a reason. Imagine you were one of the founding fathers of Christianity and were taking your new religion to the heathens of Europe and were telling people to stop believing in many gods and just the one true god. If you said that all the festivals they had were to be scrapped how well received do you think the message would be? This way the Pagans kept their festivals & the Christians spread their religion by hijacking those festivals. The worring thing about this though is the new fluidity of ideas that presents to the Christian faith. What else has been adapted to fit? What other things that we are told are rock solid with the Christian faith aren't?

It is pretty ironic though when you think about how the latest religion, consumerism, has usurped Christianity and now the impressive buildings that are being built in the world are cathedrals to consumption & greed. God is the dollar & the new Saints are St Michaels & Yves Saint Laurent. You can even go there and worship, as many do, on Sunday the traditional day of worship for Christians.

Of course this is my personal perspective and there are many Church goes out there who will disagree with what I have written based on their personal experiences. Never meant to offend & I apologise in advance if I have.
I just wanted to present a different outlook.


Heres some links to chew over.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm
Waldgeist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.legendarydartmoor.co.uk/three_hares.htm
http://paganismwicca.suite101.com/article.cfm/pagan_mistletoe_symbolism_and_legend

decode reality
12-07-2010, 01:55 PM
When I think about it, I actually like Christmas! It's a nice culmination of the Solstice and on a mundane level, there's always a lot of Carry On films and Charlie Brown cartoons on the box. :) What I don't enjoy is the excess and the pressure that parents succumb to.