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lenejento
11-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Thought I'd share this excerpt out of an Eckhart Tolle audio book I've got as I feel this is what's (e)going on with me at the moment, and I thought maybe it would resonate with some of you.

"Are you a habitual waiter? How much of yur life do you spend waiting? What I call small scale waiting is waiting in line in the post office, in a traffic jam, at the airport, or waiting for someone to arrive, to finish work and so on. Large scale waiting is waiting for the next vacation, for a better job, for the children to grow up, for a truly meaningful relationship, for success, to make money, to be important, to become enlightened (for the NWO to be exsposed, for revolution, for paradise on earth). It is not uncommon for people to spend their whole life waiting to start living. Waiting is a state of mind. Basically it means that you want the future, you don't want the present. You don't want what you've got and you want what you haven't got. With every kind of waiting, you unconsciously create inner conflict between your here and now where you don't want to be, and the projected future, where you want to be. This greatly reduces the quality of your life, by making you lose the present. For example, many people are waiting for prosperity, it can not come in the future. When you honour, acknowledge, and fully accept your present reality, where you are, who you are, what you are doing right now, when you fully accept what you've got, you're greatful for what you've got, greatful for what is, greatful for being. Gratitude for the present moment and the fullness of life now is true prosperity, it can not come in the future. Then in time, that prosperity manifests for you in various ways. If you are dissatisfied with what you've got, or even frustrated or angry about your present lack, that may motivate you to become rich , but even if you do make millions you will continue to experience the inner condition of lack, and deep down you will continue to feel unfullfilled. You may have many exiting experiences that money can buy, but they will come and go, and always leave you with an empty feeling and the need for further physical or psychological gratification. You won't abide in being, and so feel the fullness of life now that alone is true prosperity. Give up waiting as a state of mind, when you catch yourself slipping into waiting, snap out of it, come into the present moment, just be and enjoy being. If you are present, there is never any need for you to wait for anything."

Comments appreciated :)

cruise4
11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
Hmmmm, Yes, I'm a 'waiter'. Unlike Eckhart I find very little to inspire anywhere in the world just now. I'm sick of whats going on and until its stopped there is no fulfilment available, for me anyway. So I'll keep waiting and I'll keep spreading the word.

scar
11-12-2007, 04:07 PM
Eckhart tolle recently pushed my spirituality into overdrive last week. I love it. What specific audio book is that from lene?

If people like this, I encourage them to listen/read the power of now.

<3

lenejento
11-12-2007, 04:14 PM
Eckhart tolle recently pushed my spirituality into overdrive last week. I love it. What specific audio book is that from lene?

If people like this, I encourage them to listen/read the power of now.

<3

This is IT! :) <3

It is a torrent, I'm bad ;)
With hours of audio interviews and audio books, it is called Eckhart Tolle Dircourses Collection.

lenejento
11-12-2007, 04:29 PM
Thanks cruise4 for your honest answer. What do you think of this excerpt? I found it very encouraging right now.
"To have your attention in the now is not a denial of what is needed in your life, it is recognising what is primary, then you can deal with what is seconday with great ease. It is not saying "I'm not dealing with things anymore because there's only the now", no, find what is primary first and make the now into your friend, not your enemy. Aknowledge it, honour it. When the now is the foundation and the primary focus of your life, then your life unfolds with ease. Putting away the dishes, drawing up a business strategy, planning a trip, what is more important? The doing? Or the result that you want to achieve through the doing? This moment, or some future moment? Do you treat this moment as if it were an obstacle to overcome? Do you feel you have a future moment to get to that is more important? Almost everyone lives like this most of the time. Since the future never arrives except as the present, it is a dysfunctional way to live. It generates a constant undercurrent of unease, tension and discontent. It does not honour life, which is now, and never not now."

cruise4
11-12-2007, 05:29 PM
Both the primary and the secondary are inherently dominated and arrived at via bullshit. There are no foundations in bullshit. The now is NOT my friend. The NOW is my enemy. The hope is in the future, is that the tertiary? I don't want 'doing', I want 'results'. Hope of the latter will give rise to the former. Slim hope equals not doing much. I do not honour this life. I honour that life that could and should be now, here, in the present. But isn't. Nor is it achievable by anything other than revolution, enlightenment of the masses or divine intervention.

lenejento
11-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Both the primary and the secondary are inherently dominated and arrived at via bullshit. There are no foundations in bullshit. The now is NOT my friend. The NOW is my enemy. The hope is in the future, is that the tertiary? I don't want 'doing', I want 'results'. Hope of the latter will give rise to the former. Slim hope equals not doing much. I do not honour this life. I honour that life that could and should be now, here, in the present. But isn't. Nor is it achievable by anything other than revolution, enlightenment of the masses or divine intervention.


I know exacly how you feel :) I'll probably feel like that again sometime.
Good luck and happiness with everything cruise

cruise4
11-12-2007, 05:52 PM
I'll just add something. I don't have to feel this way. I could, and have been seriously thinking about, selling up and moving to a nice warm beach somewhere. But thats me comfortable and everyone else left in the same old boat which seems like desertion to me.

lenejento
11-12-2007, 05:55 PM
I'll just add something. I don't have to feel this way. I could, and have been seriously thinking about, selling up and moving to a nice warm beach somewhere. But thats me comfortable and everyone else left in the same old boat which seems like desertion to me.

Whatever you do is great, if being yourself which is following your heart means you want to serve humanity in a particular way then that's great! It is funny how the ego interprets the spiritual truth in negative ways, just so ego can stay alive. I've done this alot and probably will still doubt and interpret it negatively in the future. I've said once "Fuck the truth, it doesen't give me anything of what I want ever!", lol, this is absurd because truth doesen't mind our desires and allows us to go for it, but we will see in the end that the only thing we only ever want is to know ourselves.

cruise4
11-12-2007, 06:02 PM
Yes... I could be suffering from lack of self worth. That is certainly a possibility.

lenejento
11-12-2007, 06:09 PM
I am feeling like I'm taking on the image as a know-it-all about spiritual truth right now, it makes me feel wierd (no one likes a know it all, lol). I want everyone here to know that I do NOT think I'm enlightened, I'm just humbly talking about something that can not really be talked about, yes I am confident in it, but there's nothing I can teach anyone. So no matter what I say it can't really be IT, and since I'm also still suffering somewhat now and then and still don't have a completely liberated mind my words isn't coming from someone who is completely unidentified with form and could be misleading. The guru is within every one of us. Just wanted to say that so I don't annoy anyone here. I am also "on the path".

rossus
11-12-2007, 07:06 PM
Both the primary and the secondary are inherently dominated and arrived at via bullshit. There are no foundations in bullshit. The now is NOT my friend. The NOW is my enemy. The hope is in the future, is that the tertiary? I don't want 'doing', I want 'results'. Hope of the latter will give rise to the former. Slim hope equals not doing much. I do not honour this life. I honour that life that could and should be now, here, in the present. But isn't. Nor is it achievable by anything other than revolution, enlightenment of the masses or divine intervention.
it's not because one has become desireless,
and is therefor experiencing deep happiness all the time...
independent of the presence or absence of pain and pleasure,

that he can not help change the world in a better place.
he can still help make a difference. but he will no longer be attached,
to the outcome of his work.

if the world is really bad... or really good...
the person will be truely happy either way...

because he knows that desire is the one and only cause of unhappiness...
mahatma gandhi was probably such a man :)