David Icke was definately wrong about 1 thing

[adamscotland84]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

[freemefast]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

According to Icke, the transformation was instant.

[adamscotland84]

According to Icke, the transformation was instant.

So the scism was not there at the start of the world then? I don't remember him sayin that.

Either way he doesn't have anything to back this up it's really just an image he had

[eternal_spirit]

I don't know how far back in time this idea came to be, as in Icke wasn't the first to put forward this "theory."

Maybe it came from certain "religious texts" or the "Atlantis mythology." The "oneness" became "separated."

[pound]

The same sentiment was echoed in other ancient accounts from throughout the world, but this one in particular from the Greek historian/poet Hesiod really sums it up:

“Man lived like Gods, without vices or passions, vexation or toil. In happy companionship with divine beings (extraterrestrials?), they passed their days in tranquility and joy, living together in perfect equality, united by mutual confidence and love. The Earth was more beautiful than now, and spontaneously yielded an abundant variety of fruits. Human beings and animals spoke the same language and conversed with each other (telepathy). Men were considered mere boys at a hundred years old. They had none of the infirmities of age to trouble them and when they passed to regions of superior life, it was in a gentle slumber.”

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...stsecret01.htm

[freemefast]

So the scism was not there at the start of the world then? I don't remember him sayin that.

Either way he doesn't have anything to back this up it's really just an image he had

Icke said it on radio / interviews a couple of times. (think it was conscious media network).
But yeah, nothing to back it up with, just a theory.

[somethinganonymous]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

You ought to think about the possibilities of the zionist dr. Darwin being a whitewasher and that his theories of evolution might just be wrong... Then you'll see the other side of the argument and new doors will open as to what truth might be. If you keep holding on to the theory of evolution being truth, then your understanding might be limited. Give it a try.

[loveemotion]

Icke is allowed to be a little bit wrong.. come on... we use oru brain upto 5 percent and 10 if you are lucky lol

and our DNA is all fucked up.. and we got like only 3 percent of it in tact.. give a brilliant man.. a wonderful father and a wonderful human being a break :)

He is doing something that takes a lot of balls.. not just two :)

I love Icke.. GO Icke.. you are the MAN !

[theoriginalmurph]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

Lion laying down with the lamb... Sounds a bit like astrology to me.

[marpat]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

Its typical fairytale bullshit from Icke. Why would lions or lambs exist in a form wehre they did not need to feed of material substances? does this mean the lion did not have teeth and claws as they would have been pointless.

The lion lying down with the lamb is a symbol, the lamb of christ and the lion of Judah

[jasmine]

Icke is allowed to be a little bit wrong.. come on... we use oru brain upto 5 percent and 10 if you are lucky lol

and our DNA is all fucked up.. and we got like only 3 percent of it in tact.. give a brilliant man.. a wonderful father and a wonderful human being a break :)

He is doing something that takes a lot of balls.. not just two :)

I love Icke.. GO Icke.. you are the MAN !

I totally concur :)

[consciousness]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

I like the things the group known as Desteni also has to say. And they say, that the reptilians changed nature to be savage and barbaric. In other words, they manipulated nature in such a way, that the violent energies that sprang from nature, they could feed on. So, if they are correct and i certainly think they are, then there is your answer.

And that means Ickey still was spot on! I mean the information he gets, he doesn't dream up.

[freemefast]

I like the things the group known as Desteni also has to say. And they say, that the reptilians changed nature to be savage and barbaric. In other words, they manipulated nature in such a way, that the violent energies that sprang from nature, they could feed on. So, if they are correct and i certainly think they are, then there is your answer.

And that means Ickey still was spot on! I mean the information he gets, he doesn't dream up.

You need proof though otherwise it's just fantasy.
Besides, the dinosaurs were here millions of years ago and so long before the annunaki were purported to have arrived and changed the frequencies of the planet.

[merlincove]

From my own understanding, the schism happened when Infinite love experienced fear - an aspect that has been referred to as The Big Bang.

Infinite Love and fear can not exist in the same space, the separation of frequency (the schism) occurred and the matrix reality / 3d space-time and 5 sense reality was created in that moment in order that Infinite Love could experience and understand fear / negative / limiting thought forms.

When David talks of the Schism, this is what, imho, he is referring to.

[manonthemoon]

I am a big fan of Icke but I believe he was certainly wrong about one thing. I am not even talking about the reptilian thing, although unlikely still is possible.

I am talking about this thing he calls the scism. In his very good presentation in Australia when he stated that at one time there was no evil in the world, everything lived off energy and there was no need for violence and no animals needed to hunt etc. He gave an example of the lion laying down with the lamb.

This cannot be true for the simple fact of evolution. Whether or not you believe human beings were naturally evolved is irrelevant. Evolution itself is a fact and everything evolves to suit its environment. It is therefore not possible that there would have been living beings like lions etc on the earth. Lions have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to be fierce hunters. Thats why they are strong, fast, aggresive hunters. A scism could not exist if these beings also existed. They would have no reason to even have teeth.

It would have made more sense to say that there could have been a scism on the earth before any living beings were here. Then there would be no need for animals and humans etc

I agree with you on this. There is nothing wrong with hunting animals for food and eating meat- provided one evolved as a carnivore- as the Feline's did or as an omnivore- as did humans. The Lion was NEVER a vegetarian, that is nonsense. So there is no schism. Correct.

David Icke's message is mostly correct- such as the Reptilian Illuminae and their hold over us via the Puppet-"Elite" governments and other bodies of influence that serve only to oppress and control the human race as slaves.

However, much of his "new agey" pronouncements are either mistaken (he gains this information via mediums and visions, which is a hit/miss means of information gathering at best- far better to use Astral Projection and Remote Viewing (AP-RV) to gather data) or calculated in order to widen his potential market and sell more books/ DVD's and put more bums on seats on his speaking tours. The Lamb/Lion is a perfect example of this, and I thank you for raising this matter.

And I don't blame him, he has to feed his family and keep the proverbial wolf from the door.

I'm prepared to forgive small mistakes and commercial strategy in the name of the bigger picture of the greater good.

[lighthouse]

From my own understanding, the schism happened when Infinite love experienced fear - an aspect that has been referred to as The Big Bang.

Infinite Love and fear can not exist in the same space, the separation of frequency (the schism) occurred and the matrix reality / 3d space-time and 5 sense reality was created in that moment in order that Infinite Love could experience and understand fear / negative / limiting thought forms.

When David talks of the Schism, this is what, imho, he is referring to.

There are some ideas about humans living in that Infinite Love,
but some of them, and that was us - :D (that are now on Earth),
tried to keep the Creation and Love for themselves, turning their energy vortexes
to the inside, not on the outside as they were.
And then, all went to hell. :D

[ragnarok]

You ought to think about the possibilities of the zionist dr. Darwin being a whitewasher and that his theories of evolution might just be wrong...

What about Alf Wallace - was he a zionist, too?

[taboo]

Icke is def. wrong about the ancient egypt. The secret socities and the occultists know the true importance of Ancient Egyptian's mythology and the symbols, and thus they use it for themselves to manipulate public speakers like David Icke to think that it is done in the name of evil... while it is anything but that

[sylph]

If we are supposed to have evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys....lol

[freemefast]

From my own understanding, the schism happened when Infinite love experienced fear - an aspect that has been referred to as The Big Bang.

Infinite Love and fear can not exist in the same space, the separation of frequency (the schism) occurred and the matrix reality / 3d space-time and 5 sense reality was created in that moment in order that Infinite Love could experience and understand fear / negative / limiting thought forms.

Now that makes perfect sense to me. Maybe the schism is the appearence of duality itself in the 3d world.


When David talks of the Schism, this is what, imho, he is referring to.


What David said is that it occured after mankind had been on the planet earth in this 3d reality living in a golden age. So would be billions of years after the bang happened.

[freemefast]

If we are supposed to have evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys....lol

Common ancestor.

Check out the aquatic ape theory if your interested (or bored) lol

[ragnarok]

If we are supposed to have evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys....lol

Monkeys were the smartest(ie. most adaptable) bunch of a particular group of mammals, apes are the smartest offshoot of the monkey group, and humans are the smartest of the ape group. At least, that's how I think it's supposed to work.

[sylph]

Monkeys were the smartest(ie. most adaptable) bunch of a particular group of mammals, apes are the smartest offshoot of the monkey group, and humans are the smartest of the ape group. At least, that's how I think it's supposed to work.

Oops I think I meant why are there still apes...:D
Guess I didn't evolve much...lol

[manonthemoon]

Monkeys were the smartest(ie. most adaptable) bunch of a particular group of mammals, apes are the smartest offshoot of the monkey group, and humans are the smartest of the ape group. At least, that's how I think it's supposed to work.

This is correct.

[merlincove]

There are some ideas about humans living in that Infinite Love,
but some of them, and that was us - :D (that are now on Earth),
tried to keep the Creation and Love for themselves, turning their energy vortexes
to the inside, not on the outside as they were.
And then, all went to hell. :D

Damn, i thought it was getting warm in here :rolleyes:

[merlincove]

From my own understanding, the schism happened when Infinite love experienced fear - an aspect that has been referred to as The Big Bang.

Infinite Love and fear can not exist in the same space, the separation of frequency (the schism) occurred and the matrix reality / 3d space-time and 5 sense reality was created in that moment in order that Infinite Love could experience and understand fear / negative / limiting thought forms.

Now that makes perfect sense to me. Maybe the schism is the appearance of duality itself in the 3d world.

Yes, i think that schism is the nature of duality :)



When David talks of the Schism, this is what, imho, he is referring to.

What David said is that it occurred after mankind had been on the planet earth in this 3d reality living in a golden age. So would be billions of years after the bang happened.

Good point: But i feel that the Golden Age was a precursor to the BB in that Earth was an energy form (not physical) and 'man' existed in spirit form. When duality occurred, in that instant the separation from Infinite Love created the matrix - forcing it into physical manifestation and the 3d form was created. i feel that this occurred in the instant of 'Lucifer's rebellion' - and as he fell from the 'heavens' / Infinite Love frequency, the creation of physical happened simultaneously.

That is my own take on it.

[freemefast]

Good point: But i feel that the Golden Age was a precursor to the BB in that Earth was an energy form (not physical) and 'man' existed in spirit form. When duality occurred, in that instant the separation from Infinite Love created the matrix - forcing it into physical manifestation and the 3d form was created. i feel that this occurred in the instant of 'Lucifer's rebellion' - and as he fell from the 'heavens' / Infinite Love frequency, the creation of physical happened simultaneously.

That is my own take on it.

I get you. Yeah I like that theory and think you are on to something there.

[lighthouse]

Damn, i thought it was getting warm in here :rolleyes:

More like hell freezes over. :D

[adamscotland84]

You ought to think about the possibilities of the zionist dr. Darwin being a whitewasher and that his theories of evolution might just be wrong... Then you'll see the other side of the argument and new doors will open as to what truth might be. If you keep holding on to the theory of evolution being truth, then your understanding might be limited. Give it a try.
Evolution is a fact. All you have to do is look at the different species that constantly adapt to their environment. There is no doubt evolution as a natural process is a fact, let's be sensible here.

I understand that natural evolution from apes to man is not watertight and that something might have happened to speed it up or change it's direction etc a long time ago. I am willing to except other possibilities but evolution as a process its self is a fact

[moosevens]

Evolution is a fact. All you have to do is look at the different species that constantly adapt to their environment. There is no doubt evolution as a natural process is a fact, let's be sensible here.

I understand that natural evolution from apes to man is not watertight and that something might have happened to speed it up or change it's direction etc a long time ago. I am willing to except other possibilities but evolution as a process its self is a fact


no, its a theory just like gravity.

[wthree]

Just out of curiousity, why does everyone think Darwin is the sole creator of evolution?

Evolution as an idea has been around for ages, but originally it was thought that things just got 'better' and improved. Darwin suggested that they survived based on their ability to adapt instead.

Then mendel at around the same time, discovered its mechanism: genes.

[freemefast]

no, its a theory just like gravity.

A scientific theory is based on lots of data. You are thinking of a hypothesis.

"Scientific theory (8). A body of knowledge using controlled-variable experimental methods to construct a formal and mathematically structured system. It studies the character of natural reality."

http://www.udmercy.edu/faculty_pages/staudenmaier_sj/ethics/glossary.html

[domino1108]

Proof counts for nothing now

But Quantum Physics, would have you questioning the basis of proof, seeings it basically sees us as co engineers and part of an energetic field that equates to mathematics on the one hand, yet, does not equate
to anything tangible, to only but the observer. ITs all an illusion.

But one thing i do know is, is that the truth of the universe is not subject to human limitation.

[freemefast]

Proof counts for nothing now

But Quantum Physics, would have you questioning the basis of proof, seeings it basically sees us as co engineers and part of an energetic field that equates to mathematics on the one hand, yet, does not equate
to anything tangible, to only but the observer. ITs all an illusion.

But one thing i do know is, is that the truth of the universe is not subject to human limitation.

Aye, but how does quantum theory affect evolution?

[wthree]

Aye, but how does quantum theory affect evolution?

It doesnt.

[lighthouse]

But one thing i do know is, is that the truth of the universe is not subject to human limitation.

Unfortunately is a subject to all kinds of interpretations.

By the way, no quantum physics can change the fact
that if you jump through the window, you'll fall down.
Me watching you do it won't change that fact either.

And if I put in my book it's all illusion,
well, on some level it is.
On level where you believe that jump won't harm you,
it's just a simple lie.

[gladys]

Unfortunately is a subject to all kinds of interpretations.

By the way, no quantum physics can change the fact
that if you jump through the window, you'll fall down.
Me watching you do it won't change that fact either.

And if I put in my book it's all illusion,
well, on some level it is.
On level where you believe that jump won't harm you,
it's just a simple lie.

How do you explain fire-walking then?

There are documented reports of people walking for more than 120 feet over red-hot coals, and even people remaining stationary for extended periods of time. David Willey, a professor of physics, also once recorded someone who walked on coals as hot as 1000 degrees celsius.

[wthree]

How do you explain fire-walking then?

There are documented reports of people walking for more than 120 feet over red-hot coals, and even people remaining stationary for extended periods of time. David Willey, a professor of physics, also once recorded someone who walked on coals as hot as 1000 degrees celsius.

I can't give specific answers to those cases. But the human body is a lot stronger and endurable than the general public usually think.

Either way, whether those cases are true or not, it has nothing to do with quantum physics.

[domino1108]

Unfortunately is a subject to all kinds of interpretations.

By the way, no quantum physics can change the fact
that if you jump through the window, you'll fall down.
Me watching you do it won't change that fact either.

And if I put in my book it's all illusion,
well, on some level it is.
On level where you believe that jump won't harm you,
it's just a simple lie.

Now i will agree what i say sounds ridiculous, but i say that as we interact with this energy field as a collective, if we decide the wall does not exist with this awareness, then the wall will not exist.

This is why mind manipulation is so important to the elite, as they in their small collective, totally believe they have a divine right to rule, Usurping all information of the universe, collected by the most prominent seers in magic, to attain knowledge of how to manipulate us into a smaller deceitful illusion than them.

All the Educational establishments bar none, have created a wealth of information that is of a perspective and scientific doctrine, that is encoded, with pushing the intellect into a region where brain function is dominated by the 5 sense experience of the universe.

Anything alluring anything beyond this is seemed impossible. But the more you observe your perspective from this position, which i would say, is created deliberately to lock your focus into left brain logic

A blueprint was made to lock human minds into finite states and keep them there, because TPTB designed it to work that way. No way will you ever have anything they have created to truly open your mind to what they see as otherwise, you wouldn't need them. Never has the world been so educated, with a fatally misconcepted view of reality. And boy does it serve them better than anything when we rejoice in the prisons of mind they have created.

These beings, whatever they are reside in a place that knows of no time. Its a much higher perspective and understanding of universal awareness.

They have created a maze for the mind to get lost in, and get confused into believing the truth of who and what we are, and our place amongst it all.
TPTB know that what they have created is a branch of intellectualism, that leads to chaos. It puts us into a state of more confusion. When in fact, i truly believe a bee has more idea what and where and whom it is. Simply because its connected to nature in a way we have lost, and forgotten to see.

Or more so encouraged to not see.

For that reason i do despair, that not so many people cannot appreciate this gift of life, this physicality, the beauty and connection to all things. But we are doomed in mindfulness that has separated us into imprisoned beings, that are alien, and need other explanations to explain life from our limited perspective.

And i dont say for one minute, that i have that perspective, or a higher one than anyone else. i cant at this time, and i dont have the ability to convey in words how i view this life, but its easier to say, for myself, its a dream.

I see this is an unfolding awakening of consciousness, i awake from my life perspective, and go to another one of deeper significance, and greater awareness. Because much like the dreamworld illusion we go to at night, formed from the mind of the individual.

I see this one, as a collectively shared hallucination, but at more of deeper level than sleep, collectively in this dream we are real entities, yet we all co contribute, and cocreate, and the measure of the collective, is the measure of what you see on planet earth right now.

A collective shutdown and denial of power, hatred and contempt of mother earth, no respect for life, wars, where the collective is encouraged to kill itself, to watch famine and experience of itself be systematically destroyed, for all the things, of materialism, monetary gain and wealth, cooking programmes, TV, (the killer of imagination) and the obsession of the mere trinkets in that wonderful dream/illusion/holographic energetic universe.

The beauties the dream, the power is us. I want that so bad for all, but that is not my will. But we can live like Architects of our world with love. Because the world is dying from lack of it. And we limit our potential, as cosmic carbon accidents of one life, here to further the species. This world has been created as a grand deception. We are the dna of the universe. All things within all things. It gives everything back to you, in your true state.

I dont think about whether we will get through these times as a human race, i m looking forward to creating universes in another dimension, and i know i will.

[lighthouse]

How do you explain fire-walking then?

There are documented reports of people walking for more than 120 feet over red-hot coals, and even people remaining stationary for extended periods of time. David Willey, a professor of physics, also once recorded someone who walked on coals as hot as 1000 degrees celsius.

Invisible world has the power to overide the laws of visible world.
That is nothing stunning,
but really don't see what's the point of it.
I've seen many more unbelievable things than walking on hot coal,
although people who have done it are no more different from other people
than hunting dog is from police dog.
It's a skill like any other, but has nothing to do with enlightment.
On the contrary, you need to pay for that skill,
to the powers that be.

And I don't mean to the Rotschilds. :rolleyes:

[gladys]

Invisible world has the power to overide the laws of visible world.
That is nothing stunning,
but really don't see what's the point of it.
I've seen many more unbelievable things than walking on hot coal,
although people who have done it are no more different from other people
than hunting dog is from police dog.
It's a skill like any other, but has nothing to do with enlightment.
On the contrary, you need to pay for that skill,
to the powers that be.

And I don't mean to the Rotschilds. :rolleyes:

People may pay for that 'skill' nowadays....but originally it was certain indiginous tribes that fire-walked (going back centuries). And it had everything to do with enlightenment, because the act itself was originally performed as a 'leap of faith'......complete belief and trust in a 'higher consciousness' and oneself. I could post you masses of stuff on this but i'de rather you do your own research before you choose to become condescending again.

[gladys]

Now i will agree what i say sounds ridiculous, but i say that as we interact with this energy field as a collective, if we decide the wall does not exist with this awareness, then the wall will not exist.

This is why mind manipulation is so important to the elite, as they in their small collective, totally believe they have a divine right to rule, Usurping all information of the universe, collected by the most prominent seers in magic, to attain knowledge of how to manipulate us into a smaller deceitful illusion than them.

All the Educational establishments bar none, have created a wealth of information that is of a perspective and scientific doctrine, that is encoded, with pushing the intellect into a region where brain function is dominated by the 5 sense experience of the universe.

Anything alluring anything beyond this is seemed impossible. But the more you observe your perspective from this position, which i would say, is created deliberately to lock your focus into left brain logic

A blueprint was made to lock human minds into finite states and keep them there, because TPTB designed it to work that way. No way will you ever have anything they have created to truly open your mind to what they see as otherwise, you wouldn't need them. Never has the world been so educated, with a fatally misconcepted view of reality. And boy does it serve them better than anything when we rejoice in the prisons of mind they have created.

These beings, whatever they are reside in a place that knows of no time. Its a much higher perspective and understanding of universal awareness.

They have created a maze for the mind to get lost in, and get confused into believing the truth of who and what we are, and our place amongst it all.
TPTB know that what they have created is a branch of intellectualism, that leads to chaos. It puts us into a state of more confusion. When in fact, i truly believe a bee has more idea what and where and whom it is. Simply because its connected to nature in a way we have lost, and forgotten to see.

Or more so encouraged to not see.

For that reason i do despair, that not so many people cannot appreciate this gift of life, this physicality, the beauty and connection to all things. But we are doomed in mindfulness that has separated us into imprisoned beings, that are alien, and need other explanations to explain life from our limited perspective.

And i dont say for one minute, that i have that perspective, or a higher one than anyone else. i cant at this time, and i dont have the ability to convey in words how i view this life, but its easier to say, for myself, its a dream.

I see this is an unfolding awakening of consciousness, i awake from my life perspective, and go to another one of deeper significance, and greater awareness. Because much like the dreamworld illusion we go to at night, formed from the mind of the individual.

I see this one, as a collectively shared hallucination, but at more of deeper level than sleep, collectively in this dream we are real entities, yet we all co contribute, and cocreate, and the measure of the collective, is the measure of what you see on planet earth right now.

A collective shutdown and denial of power, hatred and contempt of mother earth, no respect for life, wars, where the collective is encouraged to kill itself, to watch famine and experience of itself be systematically destroyed, for all the things, of materialism, monetary gain and wealth, cooking programmes, TV, (the killer of imagination) and the obsession of the mere trinkets in that wonderful dream/illusion/holographic energetic universe.

The beauties the dream, the power is us. I want that so bad for all, but that is not my will. But we can live like Architects of our world with love. Because the world is dying from lack of it. And we limit our potential, as cosmic carbon accidents of one life, here to further the species. This world has been created as a grand deception. We are the dna of the universe. All things within all things. It gives everything back to you, in your true state.

I dont think about whether we will get through these times as a human race, i m looking forward to creating universes in another dimension, and i know i will.

Another beautiful, insightful and eloquent post, domino1108. Sums it all up perfectly........thank you :)

[lighthouse]

People may pay for that 'skill' nowadays....but originally it was certain indiginous tribes that fire-walked (going back centuries). And it had everything to do with enlightenment, because the act itself was originally performed as a 'leap of faith'......complete belief and trust in a 'higher consciousness' and oneself. I could post you masses of stuff on this but i'de rather you do your own research before you choose to become condescending again.

Gladys, neither you know what kind of payment I'm talking about,
neither you understand that occult tricks are not enlightment.
Yes, it's all fireworks and "abrakadabra" from invisible world,
and that world is just a form of material one.
On another vibration level.
No need to spend your life in research of that.

Is there a word other than 'condescending' you know of? :D

[gladys]

Gladys, neither you know what kind of payment I'm talking about,
neither you understand that occult tricks are not enlightment.
Yes, it's all fireworks and "abrakadabra" from invisible world,
and that world is just a form of material one.
On another vibration level.
No need to spend your life in research of that.

Is there a word other than 'condescending' you know of? :D

The Iking bushmen of the kalahari desert have practiced fire-walking since their tribal beginnings. Japanese Taoists and Buddhists also. Walking on fire has existed for thousands of years, with records dating back to 1200 bc. Cultures across the globe have used fire-walking for rites, healing, initiation and faith.

And do you realize that walking on coals as hot as 1000 degrees celsius (as stated in my previous post) is equivalent to walking on lava from a volcano? Explain that away as 'occult tricks' and 'abracadabra'........i'm sure the bushmen of the kalahari, the taoists and the buddhists would all agree with you.....but then they are not 'enlightened', are they???

And do i know another word for condescending?...try patronizing. A term used to describe someone with a 'superiority complex'.

You can get psychiatric help for that these days.....didn't you know 'Lighthouse'? :D

[truepositive]

What a grand post domino, once again i thank you for your contribution to this great forum :)

[freemefast]

The Iking bushmen of the kalahari desert have practiced fire-walking since their tribal beginnings. Japanese Taoists and Buddhists also. Walking on fire has existed for thousands of years, with records dating back to 1200 bc. Cultures across the globe have used fire-walking for rites, healing, initiation and faith.

And do you realize that walking on coals as hot as 1000 degrees celsius (as stated in my previous post) is equivalent to walking on lava from a volcano? Explain that away as 'occult tricks' and 'abracadabra'........i'm sure the bushmen of the kalahari, the taoists and the buddhists would all agree with you.....but then they are not 'enlightened', are they???


Tony Robbins uses it in his seminars. There is nothing mystical about firewalking - it's psychological and physiological.

If you walk over a bed of hot coals fast enough you won't burn, if you stood still it would cause problems.

Try that with lava though and the liquid would coat your feet and the burn would be severe.

I do believe there is definately some benefit to doing it but this whole 'We've found the answers it's the quantum field!!"arguments carry no weight. It's like believers of the alternative community have latched on to this 'what the bleep...' pseudo science as a way of saying to the skeptics - "see we told you all along".
The amount of strange, mystical and unexplainable phenomena has , in my opinion, roots in something that science still has yet to find but don't fall for this 'divine matrix', schroedingers cat, observer affect rubbish because it is bollocks made to sell DVD's and books.

[lighthouse]

Explain that away as 'occult tricks' and 'abracadabra'........i'm sure the bushmen of the kalahari, the taoists and the buddhists would all agree with you.....but then they are not 'enlightened', are they???


Buddhist in general? Catholics in general?
Enlightment is not tied to religion.
Enlightened are people of all kinds and backgrounds.
Followers find the deeds important,
the others question what's the goal, and what's behind it.


And do i know another word for condescending?...try patronizing. A term used to describe someone with a 'superiority complex'.

You can get psychiatric help for that these days.....didn't you know 'Lighthouse'? :D

Let's get one thing straight.
I picked on you because you started talking to me with a clear insult.
That is a sign of unsecure people who try to cover up
their lack of knowledge and intelligence.
Then you pulled some friendly love and light bullshit,
so I said, OK, we all have a bad day,
and we all can't think the same.
But I didn't trust your sincerity too much. :D

And then you started all over again.
Same attitude, and same insults.

Honesty will get you far more than walking on hot coal ever will.
Try with that.

[gladys]

Buddhist in general? Catholics in general?
Enlightment is not tied to religion.
Enlightened are people of all kinds and backgrounds.
Followers find the deeds important,
the others question what's the goal, and what's behind it.



Let's get one thing straight.
I picked on you because you started talking to me with a clear insult.
That is a sign of unsecure people who try to cover up
their lack of knowledge and intelligence.
Then you pulled some friendly love and light bullshit,
so I said, OK, we all have a bad day,
and we all can't think the same.
But I didn't trust your sincerity too much. :D

And then you started all over again.
Same attitude, and same insults.

Honesty will get you far more than walking on hot coal ever will.
Try with that.

No, no, noooooooo.......lighthouse, i suggest YOU try being honest. You have jumped on practically every post i have made since the first episode and each time you have ridiculed and patronized everything i have had to say instead of allowing healthy and respectful debate. You have a very condescending manner that shoots peoples posts down when you feel threatened by their intelligence and obvious display of research. I would say you are the insecure one here. And it doesn't surprise me that you distrust sincerity....another sign of deep insecurity.

I am sure underneath all of this you are a nice and intelligent person with a lot of information to contribute to this forum.......just drop the need to patronize and we will get along a lot better :)

[lighthouse]

No, no, noooooooo.......lighthouse, i suggest YOU try being honest. You have jumped on practically every post i have made since the first episode...


No, that was you. :D


...and each time you have ridiculed and patronized everything i have had to say instead of allowing healthy and respectful debate.


Like you debated with other members here on David Icke issue?
No, thank you, I'll skip that. :D


You have a very condescending manner that shoots peoples posts down when you feel threatened by their intelligence and obvious display of research. I would say you are the insecure one here. And it doesn't surprise me that you distrust sincerity....another sign of deep insecurity.


You can't repeat my words and make it your own.


I am sure underneath all of this you are a nice and intelligent person with a lot of information to contribute to this forum.......just drop the need to patronize and we will get along a lot better :)

See - not being sincere again.

My friend, if you don't understand, you don't.
Me lying to you that you do, won't change that fact.
That won't contribute to anything but to do amount of lies
being exchanged between people.

Condescending, patronizing?
Fine, I can live with that.
But you don't get it, sorry. ;)

[gladys]

Tony Robbins uses it in his seminars. There is nothing mystical about firewalking - it's psychological and physiological.

If you walk over a bed of hot coals fast enough you won't burn, if you stood still it would cause problems.

Try that with lava though and the liquid would coat your feet and the burn would be severe.

I do believe there is definately some benefit to doing it but this whole 'We've found the answers it's the quantum field!!"arguments carry no weight. It's like believers of the alternative community have latched on to this 'what the bleep...' pseudo science as a way of saying to the skeptics - "see we told you all along".
The amount of strange, mystical and unexplainable phenomena has , in my opinion, roots in something that science still has yet to find but don't fall for this 'divine matrix', schroedingers cat, observer affect rubbish because it is bollocks made to sell DVD's and books.

You say that science still has yet to find the answers regarding the strange, mystical and unexplainable phenomena that occur, but to quote Einstein: "ALL matter is merely energy condensed; and energy cannot die, it just transmutes. Isn't it also true that if a single 'atom' is viewed under a microscope and magnified it is just empty space?. By rights we shouldn't be here because fundamentally nothing exists.

[freemefast]

You say that science still has yet to find the answers regarding the strange, mystical and unexplainable phenomena that occur, but to quote Einstein: "ALL matter is merely energy condensed; and energy cannot die, it just transmutes. Isn't it also true that if a single 'atom' is viewed under a microscope and magnified it is just empty space?. By rights we shouldn't be here because fundamentally nothing exists.

Regarding Einstein: Yes but it changes form. That does not mean for instance that your conciousness carries on. It's a lot more boring than that if you take his quote in the true context.

An example would be the moving of an object across a surface. The force pulling or pushing it allows for friction to be created and maybe heat.

As for the atoms being empty yet create solidity; objects are the sum of their parts. As you say a 'single atom'. It does not mean anything else. It is what it is. The quantum world does not act to the laws of Newtonian physics.

The problem is these people who perpetuated this 'divine matrix stuff' are saying "It happens in the subatomic world so that applies to our experience". When it clearly does not.

[gladys]

Regarding Einstein: Yes but it changes form. That does not mean for instance that your conciousness carries on. It's a lot more boring than that if you take his quote in the true context.

An example would be the moving of an object across a surface. The force pulling or pushing it allows for friction to be created and maybe heat.

As for the atoms being empty yet create solidity; objects are the sum of their parts. As you say a 'single atom'. It does not mean anything else. It is what it is. The quantum world does not act to the laws of Newtonian physics.

The problem is these people who perpetuated this 'divine matrix stuff' are saying "It happens in the subatomic world so that applies to our experience". When it clearly does not.

What about the Unified Field Theory? Some sources say that Einstein had completed, and subsequently destroyed (because he claimed the public weren't ready for it) a theory before his death. Some sources say he was unsuccessful.

It is also alleged that Nikola Tesla confessed on his death-bed that he had completed some kind of unified field theory, but it was never published.

There is also the alleged 'Philadelphia Experiment' which Einstein was supposedly involved in. Some sources say it's complete science fiction, while other sources say it actually happened (including eye witnesses).

[freemefast]

What about the Unified Field Theory? Some sources say that Einstein had completed, and subsequently destroyed (because he claimed the public weren't ready for it) a theory before his death. Some sources say he was unsuccessful.

It is also alleged that Nikola Tesla confessed on his death-bed that he had completed some kind of unified field theory, but it was never published.

There is also the alleged 'Philadelphia Experiment' which Einstein was supposedly involved in. Some sources say it's complete science fiction, while other sources say it actually happened (including eye witnesses).

That's the problem: 'alleged', 'claimed', 'some sources'. No verifiable proof. The Philadelphia experiment has been debunked aswell(at least the popular version has).

Shame really, because the potential for the application of such technologies for the planet would be immense.
I've no doubt that a lot is kept from us (that's why I'm here after all:))

[gladys]

That's the problem: 'alleged', 'claimed', 'some sources'. No verifiable proof. The Philadelphia experiment has been debunked aswell(at least the popular version has).

Shame really, because the potential for the application of such technologies for the planet would be immense.
I've no doubt that a lot is kept from us (that's why I'm here after all:))

I know.....it's such a shame.

But i think the truth will out soon enough. Planet 'clean up' is hopefully just around the corner.

Thank you :)

[freemefast]

I know.....it's such a shame.

But i think the truth will out soon enough. Planet 'clean up' is hopefully just around the corner.

Thank you :)

You too:)

[dopefiend211]

Evolution is materialist, physichalist viewpoint unless you're talking about spiritual evolution. Perhaps the human race started off as pure limitless consciouss existing only as electroagnetic waveforms and then as we came into the physical laws were placed upon our being and evolution came into play inspiring greed and a will to power.

[somethinganonymous]

Evolution is a fact. All you have to do is look at the different species that constantly adapt to their environment. There is no doubt evolution as a natural process is a fact, let's be sensible here.

I understand that natural evolution from apes to man is not watertight and that something might have happened to speed it up or change it's direction etc a long time ago. I am willing to except other possibilities but evolution as a process its self is a fact

adaptation to ones environment does not necessitate evolution. Has the DNA of the species which adapted to the new environment changed? Have they gained any new traits?

Here's a few questions: Why are there white people in Africa?
Why are there red-necks and not redskins in the southern USA?

How long does it take for evolution to kick in? See, I've failed to see a single example of evolution as Dr. Darwin speaks of. Care to point me in the direction of one? (one beside the ape - missing link - human one)

edit: dunno if Alf Wallace was a zionist.

[saty]

The same sentiment was echoed in other ancient accounts from throughout the world, but this one in particular from the Greek historian/poet Hesiod really sums it up:

This is also mentioned in DI's new book.
Also he said that humans were able to visaulise and create things,see into the past and as well into the future etc...These were normal things back then but now they would be considered demi-god powers.
We are not even 0.01% of what we used to be.:(

[marpat]

Lion laying down with the lamb... Sounds a bit like astrology to me.

It is a phrase commonly thought to be in the bible but the actual text is as follows:


Isa:65:25: The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.


Isa:11:6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isa:11:7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_Bible_verse_says_The_lion_and_the_lamb_shall_ lie_together#ixzz1PNhp8pII


I had thought that those symbols were used by Jehovahs witnesses though

[jaryth]

Bong resin-coated brain thread.

Dude ... like ... nature and reality ...

[marpat]

This is also mentioned in DI's new book.
Also he said that humans were able to visaulise and create things,see into the past and as well into the future etc...These were normal things back then but now they would be considered demi-god powers.
We are not even 0.01% of what we used to be.:(

Actually such things have been stated a long time in the past. In the works of Edgar Cayce it is mentioned that human souls originally had the ability to create from mind stuff because of their close proximity to the creative forces, which changed after the souls fell into matter. Maybe Icke had been reading Cayces books.

[noewhan]

Icke is allowed to be a little bit wrong.. come on... we use oru brain upto 5 percent and 10 if you are lucky lol

and our DNA is all fucked up.. and we got like only 3 percent of it in tact.. give a brilliant man.. a wonderful father and a wonderful human being a break :)

He is doing something that takes a lot of balls.. not just two :)

I love Icke.. GO Icke.. you are the MAN !

I like Icke too, but we use 5-10%, but the rest is probably automatically controlling our breathing & other functions most people take for granted.