A sharp shock to deal with violence in London

[titurel]

The Metropolitan police are now to be issued with taser guns...

A sharp shock to deal with violence

BBC News
10 December 2007

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44282000/jpg/_44282806_taser5_203.jpg

Officers must justify any force they use, including Tasers

From Monday, the Metropolitan Police will issue Taser stun guns to previously unarmed officers, becoming the tenth force to join the Home Office pilot. To demonstrate the benefits, the Met opened its training centre to the media last week.

Continued:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7129725.stm

[adimon]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

[titurel]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.
Tasers are going to be the cattle prods for the people of the NWO Orwellian Big Brother police state.

What about the police officer who tasered a man in a coma in the north of England?

[cyince]

I believe that recent highly publicized incidents have given the general public a distrust of law enforcement and tazers in general. That being said tazers are an effective tool to enforce compliance, the problem is that it seems officers are ignoring the force continuum, and jumping right to tazers. (Tazers are 1 step below shooting). We must remember the videos we see on Youtube don't represent the majority, but rather a minority of tazer use in North America.

[adimon]

Link?

[titurel]

Police shot diabetic in coma with Taser in Leeds

Police shot diabetic in coma with Taser

The Daily Mail
Updated: 15th November 2007

By CHRIS BROOKE

A diabetic in a coma and in need of urgent medical attention was shot with a stun gun by police who feared he was a suicide bomber.

Nicholas Gaubert's bizarre ordeal happened just six days after the July 7 bombings with the country in a state of high alert.

But apart from wearing a rucksack and being on a bus, he is bewildered as to how he could be mistaken for a terrorist.

Last night he accused police of using him for "target practice".

The 34-year-old bistro owner and son of a magistrate has been dependent on insulin for 20 years.

He was on his way to meet friends for a drink after work when he fell into a diabetic coma on the top deck of a bus in his home town of Leeds. He says he was the only passenger on board.

He does not remember any more until he woke up in the back of a police van in handcuffs, initially fearing he had been kidnapped.

It appears armed police had been called to the bus and shot him twice with a Taser gun after he failed to respond to their orders.

Full story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=494199&in_page_id=1770

Nicholas Gaubert went on to comment:

"Senior officers also told me after the incident that the policemen who came on the bus had been told not to use weapons on me if I did not respond... I think they just saw it as an opportunity to try out their toys."

[tim the enchanter]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

Maybe, or maybe some amongst the police have a bigger imagination for violence than you do?

http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB-20040525-dsbp-taser.1f8073c21.html

[razed1]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

truth is the opposite of what you just said

dont you hear every WEEK theres a new tasering of someone who ask police question, mostly in the usa, but here in canada, polish dude got tasered TO DEATH, cause he was upset at the airport


being angry, or yelling profanities, might not be the politest way, but certaiinly does not warrant tasering

dont buy into their propaganda, that "person was not following police instructions" and thus that couldve been a criminal and so the tasering is justified

i say fuck all that, and fuck the police, your just being conditioned to not question your authority

[razed1]

Maybe, or maybe some amongst the police have a bigger imagination for violence than you do?

http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB-20040525-dsbp-taser.1f8073c21.html

hey wheres your avatar from, i looks familiar, that dude is dressed up as a ram?

[tim the enchanter]

hey wheres your avatar from, i looks familiar, that dude is dressed up as a ram?

"There are some who call me... Tim." - Tim the Enchanter, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

It's on YouTube.com

[resistance]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

Reading posts like yours makes me realise that this forum needs a sort out from the good, the bad and the ugly, maybe people should be excussed for posting such naive comments on the grounds of their age or lack of understanding? now i am not saying that all 50's are bad but clearly they are given imunity from being accountable for their actions, next yu will be telling us that they should all have guns.
That's not tu say offcoarse that i don't think the 50 should have ways of protecting themselfs from voilent criminals, what worries me is how trigger happy and aggressive some coppers are, i rest my case.

[freespark]

"excessive taser use usa" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=excessive+taser+use+usa&hl=en&start=10&sa=N) in google. Nearly 85000 hits. :eek:

Like someone said above 'the cattle prods' of the NWO. Very well put and oh so true.

Don't wanna listen eh? ZAP!!! Thank you.

[lottie]

The trouble is not the tazers themselves its whether the person attatched to the trigger is responsible enough to use them....

I think though that the whole idea of tasers is the beginnings of the 'NWO cattle prods' as someone so aptly put it!!

[danielg]

The plus side is that they do not have the authority to use them off duty. So anyone that gets stung by a taser (when innocent of a genuine crime), can hunt the officer down to their home and do 'justice' back to them, be it with petrol, battery acid or an iron bar. Revenge is a moral duty in these cases.

[cruise4]

Adimon appears to be an apologist for the establishment. Whether this comes from naivete or is a deliberate ploy remains to be seen. I guess most people on here are well aware of the many incidents in the US and deaths occurring almost on a daily basis. Not to mention the new souper duper Taser coming in.
Of course these things will be abused. The police attracts bully types and we all know who they like to target. Let alone the Social/Political manipulations that have got society into the current state. Fascism arriving now. Carry cameras. Film everything. Hide cameras. Record. Thats your only defence without going to full-on revolution.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I think the Police should have a way to defend against armed criminals.

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

I think we're going to see the parameters for what constitutes a criminal widen. Technically, resisting arrest makes you a criminal. What if they're trying to arrest you for no reason?

The way we're headed, it'll soon be a crime to think the 'wrong' thoughts. Just look at the HR1955 act (Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007) that's been passed in America. It basically gives the government the power to arrest and detain anybody with an 'extremist belief system' intent on advancing 'political, religious, or social change'. Isn't that all of us?

[cruise4]

The Terrorist Act here means they can already do whatever they see fit and if Brown has his way you'll do 90 plus days although he's attempting 42 now. I just hope the Police have enough sense to see they are being transformed into Gestapo Mk 2 and they are being deliberately set against their own people. I mean it is pretty transparent. Lucky there is a proliferation of small arms. As it turns out all those advocating reductions in citizens holding weapons was dead wrong. They are always needed to deter tyranny it seems and countries like Switzerland prove what a crock the argument about reducing crime is.

[dondaz]

It's very unlikely you would get tasered unless you are a criminal.

Wakey wakey. Come on sleepyhead, time for your dose of the truth medicine. Tasers kill, period. The police are liers, cheats and decievers and will be killing people all over the place over the next few years if we don't get them banned from the UK right now. The police will be electrocuting people for mouthing off soon.

Here's a mate of mine who would be delighted to debate any Tasar issuses with anyone on the planet:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Or here: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Here's his Tasar channel on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=rcthreats

Here's some other links:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Warren Police Officer Tasers Handcuffed Woman Multiple Times - YouTube

Death causes Canada to review use of Tasers - 16 Nov 07 - YouTube

A TASER is a terrorist instrument of social control designed to intimidate the masses by punishing one individual in a public forum.

TASERS have failed to replace firearms as lethal force but instead, have been added to the arsenal of "preemptive" weapons to "KILL" your First Amendment rights through a national campaign of intimidation.

TASERS are a license for the practice of legalized SADISM by bad cops who can shoot you with a jolt of excrutiating electronic pain with impunity.

The presence of "police" in a public forum has come to mean that you risk consequences of extreme pain, arrest, humiliation and a threat of death if you are otherwise inclined to speak truth to power.

Immoral and illegal practices at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison mirror our corrupted federal government's civilian agenda for the incremental and insidious Orwellian intimidation of citizens to would "dare" to excersize Constitutional First Amendment rights on US soil.

In sharp contrast to the UPD TASERING incident, police are not even allowed to be on a school campus in the UK and elsewhere in Europe.

TASERS show potential for police brutality on a massive scale.

TASERS have become little more than public pornography resulting in a creeping degradation of the human spirit.

The medical consequences of ndividuals susceptible to mental trauma and PTSD at witnessing a friend or peer group member screaming and writhing in extreme pain have been completely ignored in a rush to deploy more and more TASERS -- particularly when the punishment by TASER is inflicted on a person who is perceived by the public to have COMMITED NO CRIME.


Anyone who uses tasers to police this country is a criminal and should be imprisoned for a long time!

[dondaz]

Technically, resisting arrest makes you a criminal. What if they're trying to arrest you for no reason?

Wait till I get my film back. You will see the police assult me for No reason at all and seize my tape, only for their fucked up ego's.

Adimon, take a look at my Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=darrenpollard1st (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=darrenpollard1st)

and see what the police think of people and do against us for filming them in the street. They are fucking criminals, not heroes. I have them causing all types of trouble on kids around here and I have them being right cowards on film too. They tell lies all the time, I have them on film telling lie after lie. I have them on film taking a kid in to the copshop because he called one of them a tosser. Just to harass him and to get him to submit to them. I hope you are waking up Adimon to what's going on?

[dondaz]

Here's a soldier who gets beaten and electocuted for asking questions:

Iraqi Freedom Hero Soldier Beaten/Tased By Las Vegas Police! - YouTube

Ex-Navy Seal 'Tazers are unsafe', and here's his answer to them, another type of taser, the cattle prod:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I bet they have a cartridge type taser too, for longer ranges. Fucking bastards.

[mk72]

I saw it on sky today - it's shocking. I don't live in England but still felt sad about it - that things are happening on that level there now. For all you naive people on here consider this: once this is in place there is no going back, there are no specific procedures indroduced with the use of tasers like with guns where they have to think twice before shooting you - if you're cocky with a policeman he can taser you. But this is once again double speak double standards, as far as I know tasers are illegal for normal citizens because the police call it a potential lethal weapon (like maze) but when they tell you the police carry them they call it a non-lethal solution to solving crime. It is shocking to see the video's so far released of taser incidents in America, the people screaming while being tasered, then they wet themselves and are dragged away because they can't walk it's dehumanising. Decent people won't even do that to an animal. They talk so much about police brutallity when a person gets hit and kicked by policemen, but somehow this is acceptable. It makes not sense that people can accept this so easily.

[cruise4]

Tasers--- The answer:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/479/barnettrsmpxi9.jpg

[dondaz]

as far as I know tasers are illegal for normal citizens because the police call it a potential lethal weapon (like maze) but when they tell you the police carry them they call it a non-lethal solution to solving crime.

You are right and you've jogged my memory. I remember back in the 90s news reports and police inspectors saying members of the public will be breaking the law because tasers were a leathal weapon and could indeed kill people. I wonder who has control of all that archive footage? Certainly not in public domain.:cool:

[ssyx]

This is a quote about the taser pilot scheme from Metropolitan Police Assoc. deputy chair, Cindy Butts from October.

"We are uncomfortable with the potential increase in the use of force by the police which we believe would send the wrong message to Londoners.

She continued: "We remain to be convinced that participation in the Home Office pilot scheme would be of real value and have again requested information to answer our legitimate concerns."

Guess something has changed in the last 2 months then.

..once this is in place there is no going back...

Absolutely.

Also, wasn't there something posted on here recently about an 80 year old woman being tasered for not letting police in her house?

The examples on youtube may well be the tip of the iceberg, how many incidents haven't been reported or caught on film?

[dondaz]

how many incidents haven't been reported or caught on film?

Well, Youtube has 4440 when searching for 'tasers'. Not sure how many cover police brutality with tasers. Was thinking of starting a taser youtube channel and putting all the taser vids together as a video library. Not had time to do it yet, so if anyone wants to take up the idea and start such a channel, it would be good to see get off the ground.