Trinity

[alchemist2012]

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[alchemist2012]

Ohh, I forgot, " IF SOMEONE DOESN'T BELIAVE IN GOD, BASED ON WHAT HE OR SHE WON"T SCREW YOU UP???

[seamus]

Can you please form this into a sentence so we can answer? You've got 3 fragments there, none expressing a complete thought.

s

[alchemist2012]

If a person doesn't beliave in God, based on what he wouldn't screw me up whenever he get a chance? Ex: Suppose that giving a false testemun against me you would make $100.000,00! If there is no God; Every one has a price; If there is a GOD, LOVE is priceless.

[snog]

I'll make this really simple for you, YOU ARE GOD. Or whatever you wish to call this all encompasing energy that flows through EVERYTHING.

THERE IS NO SEPARATION. Forget the bible, forget all religion it is only designed for one purpose- to enslave your mind.
Don't bow down to any God portrayed in a religous text, for you will be talking to a brick wall! Communicate with your true self.
Don't get me wrong, there are some great stories in the bible that can teach you about your underlying potential, but these teachings are far outweighed by the indoctrination it pervades. Religion has been one of the greatest abusers and decievers of mankind and the time has come to reach a new level of spiritual maturity and LET IT GO.

Empower yourself in a society that only seeks to disempower you.

Peace

[seamus]

If a person doesn't beliave in God, based on what he wouldn't screw me up whenever he get a chance? Ex: Suppose that giving a false testemun against me you would make $100.000,00! If there is no God; Every one has a price; If there is a GOD, LOVE is priceless.

Please don't take this wrong. I think you've got something to say, but by gum, I can't understand it!

If a person doesn't beliave in God

good so far...

based on what he wouldn't screw me up

Huh?

whenever he get a chance?

Please split this up into two or more complete sentences with a subject, a clearly-defined object, and a verb.

Dude, this is NOT a flame!


s

[alchemist2012]

I mean: Why wouldn't you sell your friend??? because if you do not bealive in God, every 1 person has its price $ for yoiu. because you are your won God, therefor ; in your mind there is no divine justice.

[snog]

I dont think all that many people do have a price in cash for eachother, and if they do it certainly hasn't got anything to do with God. In saying that, there are also plenty of people who claim to be men or women of God who will not hesitate to sell eachother out at the drop of a hat.

Personally I dislike the whole "God" term. I was just putting it in a way that you can relate to. I'm really talking about consciousness, or energy. And as far as divine justice goes, of course I believe in it, just not in the same way as you brother.


I really recommend you look into the origins of religion through personal study and come to your own conclusions.

[alchemist2012]

well you said everything, " there are also plenty of people who CLAIM to be men or women of God" Claimming to be something doesn't make them one! Well, at least I assume u talk about something you know. WHAT IS ENERGY???

[snog]

Hey there alchemist2012

Ok, I guess I shouldn't have used the word "claimed" because that's only one category. Thanks for pointing it out. What I meant was there are so many people in ALL religions who truly believe in the same God you believe in, that would still put a price on people. You only have to look at the fundamental Christian followers of George W. Bush who support the war because they believe he is a man of God. Therefore they put a price on every Iraqis' head in the name of preserving their "freedom". These people tend to be sincere and kind in some ways, but their religion has blinded them.
And all along they BELIEVE in a loving yet vengeful God who is righteous in annihilating little brown people in a country far away.

Fuck it all, it's nothing but a scam and the height of hypocrisy.

And as far as energy goes, it is simply consciousness. It exists as particles and waves depending on whether you are observing it or not. it doesn't get anymore complicated than that.

[alchemist2012]

Hey there alchemist2012

Ok, I guess I shouldn't have used the word "claimed" because that's only one category. Thanks for pointing it out. What I meant was there are so many people in ALL religions who truly believe in the same God you believe in, that would still put a price on people. You only have to look at the fundamental Christian followers of George W. Bush who support the war because they believe he is a man of God. Therefore they put a price on every Iraqis' head in the name of preserving their "freedom". These people tend to be sincere and kind in some ways, but their religion has blinded them.
And all along they BELIEVE in a loving yet vengeful God who is righteous in annihilating little brown people in a country far away.

Fuck it all, it's nothing but a scam and the height of hypocrisy.

And as far as energy goes, it is simply consciousness. It exists as particles and waves depending on whether you are observing it or not. it doesn't get anymore complicated than that.



I can NOT bealive what I just read!!!! I really thought you guys who is into truth were smarter! Mention George Bush as a christian! kakakakakaka.
Come on; Its basic psycology! You know people through their actions too. I have no religoius denominated. George Bush use the name of jesus or god in order for YOU to assossiate it with WAR and death, and hate!!!! Its so simple I can NOT beliave you guys fall for that. I realize people are more stupid then I thought. Love and peace. HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE, DOES NOT KNOW GOD because GOD is LOVE!
WITCH GOD would he want to screw up??? The real one EXACLY! THE GOD OF LOVE of our bible. YES.

[snog]

Ok,Ok wise guy.

If you read my post correctly you would have noticed that I said "They believe he is a man of God" I know only too well that he is anything but a Christian. Like you said, he is a deceiver.

I find it very difficult to understand your posts, you are all over the place buddy, please try to make more sense so that people know what point you are trying to get across. But then again I can see what level of maturity I am dealing with here, so I forgive you.

Anyway I'm not going to waste anymore time bouncing letters back and forth, you have clearly made your mind up about life and I wish you all the best on your journey.

Have fun

[alchemist2012]

I know! I'm learnning english! HEy I really like The opera House arquitecture of Autralia. What else is nice there? I wish to visit one day. Can you send me a bumerangue? :D:D:D:D :)

[snog]

Well in that case you're doing pretty good then! :)

Australia is ok, we really dont have much in terms of quality architecture though, so I would recommend going out into the desert, or up north to see the rainforests.

Watch out for boomerangs, they are dangerous:eek:

[alchemist2012]

Thanks for the advise. I will keep away from boomerangs :D:D but I will bring a lovely Cockatoo parrot :)

[snog]

hahahahahahahaha :D

[seamus]

I mean: Why wouldn't you sell your friend??? because if you do not bealive in God, every 1 person has its price $ for yoiu. because you are your won God, therefor ; in your mind there is no divine justice.

You wouldn't sell your friend because you know that there is justice in the world and that you would have to pay for it eventually. Even people who don't believe in God know this. If someone thinks they are their own God they better not be dumb enough to believe that they can suspend the laws of nature (that they themselves imposed on themselves by coming into this 3d reality matrix). When they are that dumb you get people like Heaven's Gate, killing themselves at the approach of a comet. Sad to say, but the world is better off without their leader walking around.

But who knows, maybe they were right! Maybe we are in a DMT induced hallucination, and have been hanging on the edge of death for the last 10 years, a la "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge".

What i am trying to say is that everyone is born with a conscience, and what they do with that in later life is up to them, but you don't need to know about God or the Bible or the Gita or the Koran in order to have that.



s

[snog]

Right on Seamus!

[21_12_2012]

I think this is the most senseless thread I've ever seen ! haha
Beats me anyway...

[alchemist2012]

I think this is the most senseless thread I've ever seen ! haha
Beats me anyway...

So tell me: BASED ON WHAT you will not sell your neighbor???
Its either the thread, or you the one who is senseless.

[21_12_2012]

If a person doesn't beliave in God, based on what he wouldn't screw me up whenever he get a chance? Ex: Suppose that giving a false testemun against me you would make $100.000,00! If there is no God; Every one has a price; If there is a GOD, LOVE is priceless.

Me senseless?
I rest my case.. !

But please...do keep on with it...it's funny ...!

[alchemist2012]

In truth I tell you: It is not funny. remember, just because you get support from the majority; It doesn't mean that you are right.
There is one little simple thing I call UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE 3rd DIMENTION! As a little chiken is born, grow and later die, so does similar a star in the sky. Sometimes wise questions can be answered by simple comparing it to a very simple natural thing. The majority are sleepers. Waker people as us is the minority. Truth is in the minority but avalable for all. This is a truth's track! Because me and you have diferent understanding, one of us might not be right. The thing is God had showed me so much power that I have absolutelly no reason to doubt nothing. And how great is my God who gives me everything. I have everything I want. I work 4 hours a day, 4 days a week, I santify and rest on saturday, I see everybody complainning, starving to make a living and I say thank you my God for the life he has blessed me. I have no worries about war, goverment, 2012 , even I am not ofraid to die. I know my god. The only time I get a little sad is when someone attack me, Not because I let them affect me by attacking me but because when they do; Bad things happen to them . really. I do not wish bad things for any enemy I ever happen to have. I'm not looking into being right to have my glory over you guys. Just wish you guys a good life too. Don't look for perfection on my righting, look for the message if you can find any. What's my religion? My religion is LOVE. My passport for eternity is beliave in Jesus Christ. " trhough one man the sin entered into the world; trhough one man the world were purifyed." Those evil thought in your heart are darkness, with that darkness in you, you get destroyed when in contact with light. get it? we need purification to eneter the light world.
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

[21_12_2012]

In truth I tell you: It is not funny. remember, just because you get support from the majority; It doesn't mean that you are right.
There is one little simple thing I call UNIVERSAL LAW OF THE 3rd DIMENTION! As a little chiken is born, grow and later die, so does similar a star in the sky. Sometimes wise questions can be answered by simple comparing it to a very simple natural thing. The majority are sleepers. Waker people as us is the minority. Truth is in the minority but avalable for all. This is a truth's track! Because me and you have diferent understanding, one of us might not be right. The thing is God had showed me so much power that I have absolutelly no reason to doubt nothing. And how great is my God who gives me everything. I have everything I want. I work 4 hours a day, 4 days a week, I santify and rest on saturday, I see everybody complainning, starving to make a living and I say thank you my God for the life he has blessed me. I have no worries about war, goverment, 2012 , even I am not ofraid to die. I know my god. The only time I get a little sad is when someone attack me, Not because I let them affect me by attacking me but because when they do; Bad things happen to them . really. I do not wish bad things for any enemy I ever happen to have. I'm not looking into being right to have my glory over you guys. Just wish you guys a good life too. Don't look for perfection on my righting, look for the message if you can find any. What's my religion? My religion is LOVE. My passport for eternity is beliave in Jesus Christ. " trhough one man the sin entered into the world; trhough one man the world were purifyed." Those evil thought in your heart are darkness, with that darkness in you, you get destroyed when in contact with light. get it? we need purification to eneter the light world.
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Listen my friend, haha, you totally misunderstand me....and i totally don't understand your points.
I have nothing against religious people like yourself, if it makes you feel better to believe and give your power to an almighty god and jesus, then that's fair enough. That is where we differ.
I do not have 'evil thoughts' about you, in fact, you make me laugh ! What is evil about that? haa
I merely commented on this thread being "senseless", which basically it is. I am not attacking you, i am making a factual comment.
The thread has been entitled "trinity"...and what relevance has the actual content of the thread got to do with 'trinity' ?
You can quote passages from the bible to me as much as you want, it doesn't bother me, you have your right to believe in anything you want, and if you want to take the bible literally then by all means do.
I actually believe Jesus was here at one time (or more), and there are quite a few things i believe that the bible presents to us (in a symbolic way), but what is hard to get across to people who take it literally is that it shouldn't be taken literally, due to mistranslation/alteration/removal of information, so it is open to interpretation from different angles.
People have studied the bible all their lives and still nobody can come up with a modern "true meaning" of the bible, and they never will.
If you think that was a personal attack on you, then you're wrong.
I am allowed to laugh at what i like, and i will do, and if i find it funny that this thread is appearing to be senseless, then i will laugh at it :)
Laughing is good for the soul, you should try it sometime.
:D
:)

[alchemist2012]

I did not take it as an attack, first because it would not affect me. :)

[21_12_2012]

I did not take it as an attack, first because it would not affect me. :)

fair enough :)

[daylenmichael]

I'll make this really simple for you, YOU ARE GOD. Or whatever you wish to call this all encompasing energy that flows through EVERYTHING.

THERE IS NO SEPARATION. Forget the bible, forget all religion it is only designed for one purpose- to enslave your mind.
Don't bow down to any God portrayed in a religous text, for you will be talking to a brick wall! Communicate with your true self.
Don't get me wrong, there are some great stories in the bible that can teach you about your underlying potential, but these teachings are far outweighed by the indoctrination it pervades. Religion has been one of the greatest abusers and decievers of mankind and the time has come to reach a new level of spiritual maturity and LET IT GO.

Empower yourself in a society that only seeks to disempower you.

Peace

Beautiful...Magnificient...Wonderful...and full of TRUTH...

We are all One

:D Daylen Michael :D

[tzikin]

Your spirit is God, an integral part of God. It carries the power of God in your life.
However, your ego is not God. It is societally programmed and disconnected from your spirit. It has no idea of how God thinks. It works on 3rd 'dimension' logic whereas God works on 7th dimension logic.

Most atheists base their non-belief on the fact that God has very different priorities to their egos. Their own spirit has very different priorities to their ego. So they do not like that. They reject their own spirit and disconnect from it as much as possible.

So their own spirit, who knows that they will get another chance if they reincarnate, finally gives up on the arrogant atheist ego and kills it. The atheist ego does not like that either.

Our Divine Power and understanding comes from being connected with our spirit, not from the ego. The ego is always going to lose, however loving and tolerant their spirit is.

[himitsunomiko]

Interesting article.
The Doctrine of the Trinity
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
--Jesus, Matthew 28:19


Christians regard their religion as monotheistic, since Christianity teaches the existence of one God - Yahweh, the God of the Jews. It shares this belief with two other major world religions, Judaism and Islam.

However, Christian monotheism is a unique kind of monotheism. It holds that God is One, but that three distinct "persons" constitute the one God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This unique threefold God of Christian belief is referred to as the Trinity (from Latin trinitas, "three").

Fast Facts on the Trinity
* The word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible
* The word "Trinity" was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)
* The doctrine of the Trinity is commonly expressed as: "One God, three Persons"
* The doctrine is formally defined in the Nicene Creed, which declares Jesus to be: "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father."
* Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
o Arianism (4th century)
o Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
o Jehovah's Witnesses
o Mormonism
o Unitarianism
* Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
o It is not mentioned in the Bible
o It does not make philosophical sense
o It is not compatible with monotheism
o It is not necessary in order to explain the "specialness" of Jesus
* Reasons given for believing in the Trinity include:
o It is taught indirectly in various statements in the Bible
o It explains the divinity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit while affirming monotheism
o It would not be expected that the nature of God would make sense to human minds
o The early ecumenical councils (primarily Nicea) are authoritative

History of the Doctrine of the Trinity
The doctrine of the Trinity took centuries to develop, but the roots of the doctrine can be seen from the first century.

The word "Trinity" is not found in the New Testament, nor is the doctrine explicitly taught there. However, foundations of the concept of the Trinity can be seen in the New Testament, especially in the Gospel of John, one of the latest and most theologically developed of the New Testament books. 1

Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. 2 However, the clearest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century. Tertullian coined the words "Trinity" and "person" and explained that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person." 3

About a century later, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define the relationship of the Son to the Father, in response to the controversial teachings of Arius. Led by bishop Athanasius, the council established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and condemned Arius' teaching that Christ was the first creation of God. The creed adopted by the council described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father." 4

Nicea did not end the controversy, however. Debate over how the creed (especially the phrase "one substance") ought to be interpreted continued to rage for decades. One group advocated the doctrine that Christ was a "similar substance" (homoiousios) as the Father. But for the most part, the issue of the Trinity was settled at Nicea and, by the fifth century, never again became a focus of serious controversy.

Most post-Nicene theological discussion of the Trinity consisted of attempts to understand and explain such a unique concept. Gregory of Nyssa, in his treatise, That There are Not Three Gods, compared the divinity shared by the three persons of the Trinity to the common "humanness," or human nature, that is shared by individual human beings. (Ironically, this initially promising explanation has been seen by some to yield a conclusion quite opposite than the title of his work.)

Saint Augustine, one of the greatest thinkers of the early church, described the Trinity as comparable to the three parts of an individual human being: mind, spirit, and will. They are three distinct aspects, yet they are inseparable and together constitute one unified human being.
more at.... http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/trinity.htm

[ellis_deatrip]

Can you please form this into a sentence so we can answer? You've got 3 fragments there, none expressing a complete thought.

s
Ah, must be a Trinity of Babble.
No matter what you chose to believe, imaginary friends or otherwise ,the smallest you can break down any matter within this Three-Dimensional reality is into particles consisting of three parts i.e. Proton-neutron-nucleus, etc.
This isn't a "binary" reality.:rolleyes:

[seamus]

Ah, must be a Trinity of Babble.
No matter what you chose to believe, imaginary friends or otherwise ,the smallest you can break down any matter within this Three-Dimensional reality is into particles consisting of three parts i.e. Proton-neutron-nucleus, etc.
This isn't a "binary" reality.:rolleyes:
you're way behind the times, mate. haven't you heard of quarks, muons, gluons?

[ellis_deatrip]

haven't you heard of quarks, muons, gluons?
I just figure I'm addressing a bunch of 4th graders most the time.
But there you have yet another trinity nonetheless. :D