the golden compass

[astral_girl]

i was going take my boys to watch the film-however cause its 2 hours long and looks a bit complicated for them i looked at the trailers ect on net and showed them -they concluded they didnt want to see it-i like to check before hand as they find it hard sitting for 2 hours if the film isnt going to keep them watching.

anyway as i was looking on net about it -its saying things about it .....about it been agaisnt catholics ect

i wasnt sure what it was all about ....anyone know ??

[nessa felagund]

Hello, astral girl

I think the biggest controversy surrounding this film has to do with the author Michael Sragow and the fact that he is a self-proclaimed atheist.

I haven't read this book, but I have seen the previews for the movie. I have read that it is very dark and violent, not meant for young children.

A teacher in a neighboring town read this book to her third grade class, and now some of the parents of these children have filed a complaint with the school.

This reminds me of when the first Harry Potter came out. Do you remember the religious groups calling on everyone to boycott this "satanic" book? I do. And I think time has proven that these books are just that--books. People should be free to read (or not read) what they wish.

I am against censorship in any form. People have the right to decide for themselves.:)

[hirschfelder]

SPOILERSPOILERSPOIERSPOILER

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The controversy surrounding this film is down to the body known as 'The Magisterium' in the books

It's funny that the it's become a poster film for atheism, all over the internet, self-styled 'atheists' are championing this film, for no other reason than it's pissed off a bunch of Christians, as far as I can tell. This is despite the fact that the film posits an alternate reality which presupposes Christian mythology is based on fact!

The Magisterium is an evil body and vaguely analogous to the Vatican and/or organised religion

The 'God' depicted in the book is an imposter, not an all-powerful deity, and he dies

But there is a creative force, a sentient one at that, known as 'Dust'.

So it's not an atheist text, not by a long shot, but has caused controversy by depicting organised religion as evil and deceptive and by reworking the ideas behind Paradise Lost

[neil]

The book that "The Golden Compass" is based on (and the other two books in the trilogy, all written by Philip Pullman) are about how elites, whether comprising human beings or beings of light and higher consciousness, attempt to control the natural and supernatural world. However, these elites, including The Magisterium, fail to control these forces because the power of consciousness accrued by individuals creating their environments, for themselves and one another, is too strong and cannot be contained. The main weapon of control of the elites in the original books is the lie that death is the end of consciousness.

Spoiler alert: reading further will give away the plot of all three books!

Christians have a problem with Philip Pullman's trilogy because, in his metaphysical narrative, conscious individuals band together and, having smashed the prison-world the dead are forced to inhabit, witness the death of God, the puppet leader of the angels, and create the free Republic of Heaven.

[nessa felagund]

The book that "The Golden Compass" is based on (and the other two books in the trilogy, all written by Philip Pullman) are about how elites, whether comprising human beings or beings of light and higher consciousness, attempt to control the natural and supernatural world. However, these elites, including The Magisterium, fail to control these forces because the power of consciousness accrued by individuals creating their environments, for themselves and one another, is too strong and cannot be contained. The main weapon of control of the elites in the original books is the lie that death is the end of consciousness.

Spoiler alert: reading further will give away the plot of all three books!

Christians have a problem with Philip Pullman's trilogy because, in his metaphysical narrative, conscious individuals band together and, having smashed the prison-world the dead are forced to inhabit, witness the death of God, the puppet leader of the angels, and create the free Republic of Heaven.

I guess Michael Sragow is the director of the movie--my mistake. Thanks for the correction.:D

[lottie]

Cant wait to see this film.....been lookin forward to it since i saw the 1st trailer!! :D

[hagbard_celine]

I've skipped the spoiler posts on this thread and I'll read them next week when I've seen it.

Someone has read the books and recomended them, and the film, to me. I live in Oxford so I'm curious to see what a parallel Oxford looks like. I've always known one exists and I sometimes see it in my dreams.

I saw a tralier yesterday when I was at the flicks watching Stardust, another great movie, and it mentions a secret order that wants to take over the world! Ring any bells?;)

[misscpb]

I am looking forward to seeing the film too, got a feeling its going to be full of subliminal and other information.

[amerigirl]

I've skipped the spoilers too b/c hopefully I'll get to see it this weekend.

It didn't fair to well here on opening weekend I guess. I know that the organized religions are in an uproar about it and are boycotting it though b/c its supposed to depict religions in a bad way, the killing of "God", etc. The way I see it, if you're (meaning the ppl outspoken against it) are worried that some children might question organized religion after seeing a 2 hour film, then they're years of brainwashing are simply just that.

[thirdwave]

Hello, astral girl

I think the biggest controversy surrounding this film has to do with the author Michael Sragow and the fact that he is a self-proclaimed atheist.

I haven't read this book, but I have seen the previews for the movie. I have read that it is very dark and violent, not meant for young children.

A teacher in a neighboring town read this book to her third grade class, and now some of the parents of these children have filed a complaint with the school.

This reminds me of when the first Harry Potter came out. Do you remember the religious groups calling on everyone to boycott this "satanic" book? I do. And I think time has proven that these books are just that--books. People should be free to read (or not read) what they wish.

I am against censorship in any form. People have the right to decide for themselves.:)

very true... nothing wrong with letting people know what to expect... sex violence.... so on... but the choice must be theirs...

[the_count]

I watched it last night with my 2 children(11 and 9) they both enjoyed it as did i.

Spoiler **********
I had not read the books so had no idea what it was about really.
It does have a familiar tone of an elite group secretly controlling the mass population, hiding the the facts about the mysterious dust particles which can link them to parallel universes.
I found it an interesting theme as well as an enjoyable movie, and it wasnt scary for the kids at all.

[cruise4]

This is a cracking film. Dark and laced with reference to events we see unfolding around us. I don't think this film is suitable for very young children but for most others well worth seeing. Shame it wasn't 6 hours long and covered all 3 books. $100 million cost is ridiculous. There are people in the film industry who have lost all reason when it comes to economy of direction.

[who elsie]

Yeah, cool film, but I think this is the weakest book of Philip Pullman's trilogy. Looking forward to the sequel already. The Subtle Knife explores the multi-dimensional universe in much greater detail. Great stuff!

Philip Pullman has never said the Majesterum represents religion. It could just as well represent the Illuminati.

[cruise4]

Majesterum was a shoe-in for the NWO to me. Replete with brain control, bio-domes, anti-christ... the lot. Have to have read the books to see the whole agenda I suppose.

[gee1]

Yeah, cool film, but I think this is the weakest book of Philip Pullman's trilogy. Looking forward to the sequel already. The Subtle Knife explores the multi-dimensional universe in much greater detail. Great stuff!

Philip Pullman has never said the Majesterum represents religion. It could just as well represent the Illuminati.

I think it is representing illuminati, interestingly the demons of the two 'bad' characters when they are having there meeting in the darkened room are a snake and an owl. Thought that amongst other little details were quite interesting.

G

[thirdwave]

looks good...shame it is not more of a 15-18 though :)

i like it all on the plate...

will go check it out though..

[baron von lotsov]

i was going take my boys to watch the film-however cause its 2 hours long and looks a bit complicated for them i looked at the trailers ect on net and showed them -they concluded they didnt want to see it-i like to check before hand as they find it hard sitting for 2 hours if the film isnt going to keep them watching.

anyway as i was looking on net about it -its saying things about it .....about it been agaisnt catholics ect

i wasnt sure what it was all about ....anyone know ??


All films are elite brainwashing these days. This one looks like the normal bollox so if you are a good mother I would suggest you inform you kids, not encourage them to be brainwashed.

[astral_girl]

yes well i didnt take them

[baron von lotsov]

yes well i didnt take them


Well done.

I know it is difficult these days what with all the social pressure and the brainwashing at schools but when they get older they will respect you for it.

[the_count]

Its pretty obvious in the film whats going on, ;maybe i am stoopid, so please explain how watching this is "brainwashing" children ?
My 2 clearly understood the overtones of "the baddies" taking away the children, contolling the minds of the people etc when i discussed it with them.
Are you saying they are brainwashed into thinking what goes on is acceptable ? If so i disagree entirely.

[baron von lotsov]

Its pretty obvious in the film whats going on, ;maybe i am stoopid, so please explain how watching this is "brainwashing" children ?
My 2 clearly understood the overtones of "the baddies" taking away the children, contolling the minds of the people etc when i discussed it with them.
Are you saying they are brainwashed into thinking what goes on is acceptable ? If so i disagree entirely.

Really?

[thirdwave]

Its pretty obvious in the film whats going on, ;maybe i am stoopid, so please explain how watching this is "brainwashing" children ?
My 2 clearly understood the overtones of "the baddies" taking away the children, contolling the minds of the people etc when i discussed it with them.
Are you saying they are brainwashed into thinking what goes on is acceptable ? If so i disagree entirely.

there is "Brainwashing" and then there is simply informing through the means of Art.

Many Many films actually tell us the truth.... clear as Day... it explains what is going on and in many cases explains science and how everything works... for some this is info... for others it is a brainwash in that "these things only happen in hollywood"

most people who are already brainwashed cant see this... they look at the pictures but don't read the book so to speak....

I think most Brainwashing is on Television really..

But because a film contains elements of manipulation, it does not mean that that is all it is.... I believe the brainwashing is set in place as a standard in most films... for people who do not have a clue or who are really dummed down... but for those who have more understanding the movies are actually educating, art.

IMO as long as people's children are being taken care of and taught about how society is not their world but a world they have been placed in.... then kids will grow up seeing it all for them selves... in fact kids can see it better than we can.

In a word, not watching films wont solve your problem... understanding them better will.

[the_count]

Really?
I asked for an explanation not a dig,the stoopid remark was meant to be sarcastic, but thanks for taking the time and effort to point it out :rolleyes:

[the_count]

there is "Brainwashing" and then there is simply informing through the means of Art.

Many Many films actually tell us the truth.... clear as Day... it explains what is going on and in many cases explains science and how everything works... for some this is info... for others it is a brainwash in that "these things only happen in hollywood"

most people who are already brainwashed cant see this... they look at the pictures but don't read the book so to speak....

I think most Brainwashing is on Television really..

But because a film contains elements of manipulation, it does not mean that that is all it is.... I believe the brainwashing is set in place as a standard in most films... for people who do not have a clue or who are really dummed down... but for those who have more understanding the movies are actually educating, art.

IMO as long as people's children are being taken care of and taught about how society is not their world but a world they have been placed in.... then kids will grow up seeing it all for them selves... in fact kids can see it better than we can.

In a word, not watching films wont solve your problem... understanding them better will.
Thats what i was trying to get at i suppose, in a round about way ;)
Thanks

[thirdwave]

no probs ;)

[sunyatta60]

Oh right I never knew what the OP was all about so had a quick trawl through and found out you are talking about Pullman's Dark Triology. What a fantastic read they were actually recommended to me by one of my 9 year old pupils several years ago when I was doing some teaching :)
The books are good because not only do they explore ideas from modern day physics but they also are a diatribe against organised religion and yes Pullman is an Atheist one that I have a lot of time for. I think Northern Lights was the title given to the book in the UK and in America it was called the Golden Compass.
I also have the book written by Cambridge Physicist Dr John Gribbin explaining the science that is in the story.
I would recommend the books to everyone it is up there with Tolkien and far surpasses the Potter books in my opinion

But organised religion is quite another thing. The trouble is that all too often in human history, churches and priesthoods have set themselves up to rule people's lives in the name of some invisible god (and they're all invisible, because they don't exist) – and done terrible damage. In the name of their god, they have burned, hanged, tortured, maimed, robbed, violated, and enslaved millions of their fellow-creatures, and done so with the happy conviction that they were doing the will of God, and they would go to
Heaven for it.
Phillip Pullman

[baron von lotsov]

I asked for an explanation not a dig,the stoopid remark was meant to be sarcastic, but thanks for taking the time and effort to point it out :rolleyes:


The film is in accordance to the Illuminati plan to destroy Christianity and to promote the occult as benign and fashionable. Do I need to go any further? Do I need to explain the entire Illuminati system to you and why they are doing this?

[sunyatta60]

Christianity does not need any help in destroying itself it did that years ago. What people need to do is wake up to the fact that the evil that runs this planet is manipulating them through many types of medium including organised religion.

[the_count]

The film is in accordance to the Illuminati plan to destroy Christianity and to promote the occult as benign and fashionable. Do I need to go any further? Do I need to explain the entire Illuminati system to you and why they are doing this?
Well i'm here learn so peoples theories and opinions are important to this process, any information on these subjects is welcome, but dont worry i wont waste any more of your valuable time, i will let you move on and take your vast knowledge elsewhere.
Thanks for your time.

[nuit]

amazing film, great effects and ppl need to ligyhten up on the subliminals and enjoy it for what it is a great piece of family entertainment

[magicmerlin]

Who has watched this film.

Although it is meant to be anti-religion, the message I got from the film was that the NWO is trying to prevent spiritual evolution......particularly in children - the soul splitting may be a reference to manipulating genetics etc? Anyone agree?

[umbrex]

i don't agree..

i saw it the other way around. as with harry potter this could be seen as another tool to condition children into accepting magic, demons and whatnot. instill an urge into them, these potential pupeteers ?

if any, this would lure children closer towards the spirit/metaphysical realm. i just saw it and that was what was on my mind. after all, you have a killer setup. nicole kidman, the bond guy etc etc etc and still the locus of interest is in the hands of a little girl throughout almost the entire film. either it's a clear case of propaganda or what we are seeing is the effects children will have on their parents as the demanding, busy little powerconsumers they are. adventuremovies are perfect for merchandice.

[nuit]

i have and think it is what it is meant to be a great epic adventure film for kids

[lookfar]

Hi magicmerlin

There is already another thread about this, so I will merge your thread into that to save duplication. Hope you don't mind :)

Cheers

Lookfar

[umbrex]

oh yeah, i almost forgot the most important thing which set off my alarm bells..

the main scene where the magnetic north pole is said to be was swalbard (lie, it's in canada!).. now whats going on on swalbard?

the doomsday vault, where we store seeds just in case of emergency, courtesy of bill gates and some rockefeller foundation ..hmmmm

[thirdwave]

if any, this would lure children closer towards the spirit/metaphysical realm.

whats wrong with that?

[umbrex]

whats wrong with that?

nothing really, but my mind couldn't help but wonder what wa up with this film. i also wondered if this may serve as a sort of warning, that some omnipotent, majestic force trying to take over the world and others by applieing secret magic and using covert methods.
maybe it's for good.

but it's speculation :P

[magicmerlin]

No problem about moving my post - silly me didn't see this one.

I think the film is trying to say:

- The truth is not what you know.....there is a force coming that will be magical and reveal the nature of reality.....but as the film says, 'they' don't want you to know about it and are going to manipulate the growing consciousness of today's children, manipulate their soul even! Perhaps the animal demon refers to the fact that children have an innate consciousness that is taken away by education and a manipulated environment.

Did you notice how the little girl says 'you can't educate me' - i think this is pointing out that children are being mind warped and only the free thinkers are safe. And did you notice how the common people were living in a dirty, poor environment, in contrast to the wealth, a sign of what's to come?

[thetonic]

If organized religion is protesting it ... It has to have some value.. I will check it out with my skepticals on ;)

[2013]

Iv'e read the trilogy and while entertaining and providing some good insights into quantum type science , i did feel a dark undercurrent .Once the 3 books have unfolded given that it is aimed at children as well as grown up kids!The mind conciously or subconciously takes in what it sees and on smome level believes the information presented .Oxford man phillip pullman
made me think how much of this is his work and how much is think tank government programming as it depicts the battle between ggod and evil classic themes i know but it prepares for
PLOT SPOILER


The mother of all battles to decide the outcome of who wins good or evil so for this reason i wondered is it designed like so many programmes books movies to lay the foundation for this in the minds of the young , even if this is so i think they are not counting on the fact that so many young people now are so much more laert than we ever where at their age or maybe this is why they are making such an enourmous effort to undermine them !.Very entertaining books by the way and worth a read if you have only seen the movie , make your own mind up , its just that as has been said here that the major players decide what books get published what movies made etc so that has got to say something .:D

[libranlight]

I see the Illuminati references clear as day. Every one of my lightworker friends including , angel therapy practitioners and shamanic healers all agree the undertones are obviously sticking two fingers up to organised (indoctrinating) religions and exposing the evils of the Illuminati.

[zedd]

I had a problem with the film right when you find out that the people's souls are called "daemons" (pronounced - demons) and that the main character's demon is named Pan. You couldn't make this shit up.

[sunyatta60]

I had a problem with the film right when you find out that the people's souls are called "daemons" (pronounced - demons) and that the main character's demon is named Pan. You couldn't make this shit up.


Clearly people can make it up and they do so to attack Pantheist and others. Anyone who wants to cause Hate and Division is not One with God imho.

[zero1]

My guess; Pullman, the writer, is Tavistock. I don't trust any Oxford man with the realm of children's fantasy, especially the themes of religion.

But I digress...

Pullman says he doesn't understand what is meant by the term "spirituality", but he does a fairly good job of representing some aspects of Gnostic myth.

For example, in the books and the movie, his demented and deluded God, THE AUTHORITY, is almost a perfect match for the Gnostic Demiurge to an archetype.

Anyway, I figure its best to just enjoy it as entertainment...eh?

[bicycle]

'elitist' propoganda shite

polar bear was funny though

[hagbard_celine]

I saw it last night at the cinema.

What the TavistockEnders omnibus have I been doing, sitting around for the last month, waiting and procrastinating over “finding time” to see this film!? This is one of the most outstanding movies I’ve seen since The Matrix! The Magesterium's struggle to keep control is so symbolic of the Illuminati or the Vatican (if the two are not synonymous!) Also the Gobblers separating the children from their Daemons is just like what happens in real life with education shutting down free thought. It's also like Satanic ritual and child sacrifice. I bet it will turn out that the Gobblers are keeping the daemons for themselves and feeding off their energy. This could also symbolize additives in food and drink like Aspartame, shutting down the child's natural psychic powers. Does anyone remember what Credo Mutwa said how when he was a child in South Africa and the black children were sold something called “Bonsela”, a pink, sugary substance that the kids all ate as sweets. After they’d eaten it they lost a lot of the natural psychic abilities that all children have.

I'll have to get the books. I know it's a matter of taste, but in my view The Golden Compass runs rings around Harry Potter! These books have sold reasonably well, but they're not half as popular as JK Rowling's blockbuster series. Could this world’s version of the Magesterium be working to keep The Golden Compass from becoming too successful?

[truthcommission]

I am against censorship in any form. People have the right to decide for themselves.:)
Obviously you don't have any children and completely missed the point of Astral Girl's post.