The True Religion of Christ

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The True Religion of Christ

When I say that the teaching of the Universal White Brotherhood is bringing a new religion to the world, it is not that I think that this teaching is an improvement on the religion that jesus gave us.

That is impossible. Jesus truly represents the summit, nothing can be more perfect than the law of love and sacrifice that he came to teach. It is only in the methods, applications and interpretations of that law that we can go further. The Gospels do not say it all; there are still so many things that are obscure and unexplained. And this is what the teaching of the Universal White Brotherhood can bring us: the explanations we still need.

Also, when I say that it is time for a universal religion, it is because Catholicism is not fully universal. Of course, the word 'catholic' means universal, but the fact remains that the Catholic religion is not universal. In the first place it is far from being practised by all human beings, and, above all, by rejecting many essential truths such as reincarnation, the laws of karma, and the primordial role of the sun in man's spiritual life, the Church has cut itself off from universal truth and become a sect. for a religion to be truly universal it must accept the whole truth and it must reach all men.

As it is, no religion in the world is founded on principles that are accepted by all human beings. Only a solar religion can be the universal religion, because all human beings accept the sun. We all seek the sun and understand what it is. Everything else interests some but not others, suits some but not others. In fact, if there are so many different religions, it is because each one is adapted to a particular mentality. If the claim of the Catholic Church to be universal is true, if it embraces every aspect of truth, why do I never see Catholics who are truly fulfilled spiritually? A great many Buddhists are far more advanced. They have such faith in the immortality of the soul that they are capable of throwing themselves into the flames.

They have no fear of death. Whereas Christians are so timid, so lacking in courage, that they tremble at the slightest threat and scream in terror if they are in danger of death.

As I have said, a universal religion must embrace all the knowledge and all the practical methods human beings need in order to reach the Lord. When Christianity refuses to teach reincarnation it makes it impossible for people to understand God's justice. Is there any wonder that nothing makes sense to them any more? They cannot see the underlying reason for what happens to them; everything seems illogical and unfair. In the face of evil or suffering, Christians can only say, 'It is the will of God.' The amazing thing is that they consider themselves to be blameless, above reproach.

They have done nothing to bring misfortune on themselves; it is entirely the Lord's doing. But this means that God behaves without rhyme or reason, his decisions are completely arbitrary.

For centuries their refusal to believe in reincarnation has barred Christians from advancing. The doctrine of reincarnation explains everything: from one existence to the next, every cause triggers a corresponding consequence.

When we know this we know that it is no longer the Lord who is to blame for what happens to us, but we ourselves. By choosing to follow a certain path, to manifest ourselves in a certain way, it is we who are responsible for our destiny, not God. God's sublime greatness, his splendour, perfection, and justice are untouched, unsullied. Whereas if you reject reincarnation you have to put all the blame on God. It seems to me that if Christians were really concerned about the glory and perfection of God, the least they could do would be to accept reincarnation. They are so stupid that they do not even recognize the consequences of their attitude; they do not realize
that the image of God they hold up to the world is a monstrous caricature. God gave human beings free will.

He tells them, 'Do whatever you like, but remember that if you break the law you will suffer. But that does not matter, you have all eternity ahead of you. You will have plenty of time in which to repent and make reparation. I am patient.'

Take a man who is miserable because he is married to a shrew, a veritable Xanthippe, and he has no idea why he has such a wife. He thinks she must be a punishment from heaven. Not at all. It was he himself who sought her out, who chose a shrew without knowing what he was doing, and now he regrets it bitterly. Socrates never complained, he put up with everything patiently.

One day, while he was talking to a friend, Xanthippe was muttering and scolding in an upstairs room and ended by pouring a pail of slops over him. The friend was very indignant, but Socrates only remarked, 'Oh well, after the thunder comes the rain.' He was not so easily put out. He had chosen to marry Xanthippe, and thanks to her he developed great patience and indifference in the face of criticism and insults. So my advice to you is to find a Xanthippe for yourself. Why do you want your wife to be perfect? You would only go to sleep and stop evolving if she were; but think of what progress you would make with a Xanthippe by your side. You see what excellent advice I always give you!

By refusing the reality of reincarnation the Church is portraying the Lord as a monster and a tyrant. In any case, quite apart from this, there is much to object to in the image the Church presents of God, for it has inerited the Old Testament notion of a jealous, vengeful, terrifying God, always ready to punish and chastise human beings. And I say that this view is false. God is not like that at all. Why did the Old Testament present him in this way? The answer is that the human beings of those days were at a stage of their evolution where they needed the discipline of fear. They needed to envisage a stern, ruthless God with whom Moses could intercede to soothe his wrath
and turn him away from the destruction of his people. The truth is that God never punishes anyone; he is not concerned with punishment. He spends his time up there in the midst of song and music, banqueting in the company of his angels and archangels while divine nectar and ambrosia flow in abundance. Do you imagine that the Lord has nothing better to do than to follow human beings around day and night, writing down in his little notebook all the filthy, revolting things they do, whether openly or in secret? Poor Lord, what a job.

Think how disgusted he would be.
No, I do not believe a word of it. I think that if human beings have invented machines to record and do their calculations for them, it is because such machines already existed in nature and therefore within us also. It is these machines that record our thoughts, feelings and actions, and as soon as we overstep the mark, in whatever area, the machine cracks down on us. But it is God who punishes us. On the contrary, God is always ready to welcome us to his banquet.

Let us suppose that you are being pursued by enemies (you may remember that I spoke to you about this one day), and in order to get away from them you run and run as fast as you can until you get to heaven. And there, breathless, covered with dust, your clothes all tattered and torn, you suddently find yourself in the midst of a magnificent assembly of angels and archangels.

Dumbfounded, you gaze at these beautiful creatures as they sing and rejoice with the Lord, who is seated in their midst. Nobody says, 'What are you doing here, you dirty ruffian? Away with you. This is no place for you.' On the contrary, as soon as he sees you the Lord says to his servants, 'Give him water to wash with, dress him in fine clothes, and let him come and share in our banquet.' But the enemies that were pursuing you will not be allowed in. They are made to wait outside, and as the banquet lasts a long time they finally lose patience and go home. Yes, this is how it works.

Have you never realized that? You have all known days when you were overwhelmed and besieged by your inner enemies, and then you started to pray and pray and pray... and within a few minutes you had a wonderful feeling of happiness and release; your enemies had left you. You must try to understand what this image means.

Do not think that I have come to destroy the Church, not at all. It is just that I possess a light that the Church does not possess at the moment, but I am very willing to collaborate with it. In fact I have already tried to do so. I have often met priests, Dominicans and Franciscans, and others and have tried to talk to them, but I have never had much success. Oh, perhaps I succeeded with two or three of them, but not with the others. The trouble is that their minds have been so deformed by their seminary training that there is nothing anyone can do now to persuade them to accept the light of these great truths. This is why I prefer to deal with atheists, unbelievers, and anarchists; I am much more successful with them. But with the religious? My word, how rigid, bigoted, and narrow-minded they can be! I have every confidence that this will change one day, but not before they have had to endure all kinds of tribulations and been forced to reflect.

If the Lord is in the process of creating a new heaven and a new earth (and this is what the Bible tells us), why should there not also be a new religion? New in exactly the same way as heaven and earth can be new. Of course the expression is symbolic; I have already explained to you that you must not take it literally. If you did, you would have a very bad impression of the Lord and would mean that he had used second-rate materials when he built heaven and earth, and now they are rusting and wearing out. This is why he has to start all over again... and while he is rebuilding, all the inhabitants of heaven and earth are going to be out in the rain without a roof over their heads.

No, that is just nonsense. The truth is that the new heaven and new earth refer to us; it is within us that God is creating them. The new heaven is a new mentality, a new philosophy, a new point of view, a new understanding of things; This is how you should interpret this image of the new heaven and the new earth. To understand it any other way would be to slight the Lord. It would mean that he did not know the properties of the elements that he himself created and now he finds that they are rotting and wearing out. Whereas if you interpret this image as I have shown you, the Lord's greatness, immensity, and infinite wisdom remain intact.

Of course, I know that you will not accept what I tell you, but you must at least try not to cling rigidly to your own opinions until you have made quite sure that they really correspond to the truth. There are still a great many of you who hold obstinately to your own point of view. Instead of trying to understand what I tell you, you think to yourselves, 'Oh no, that is not true. It cannot be. It is monstrous. I know how it should be.' But there comes a time in life when you simply have to ask yourself whether your own point of view is really correct, really flawless. Unfortuneatly, so many men and women prefer to cling to their point of view, to defend it all their life long, without ever trying to find out to what extent it is realistic and true. And that is very dangerous.

Many people's lives end in disaster simply because they insist on defending their mistaken philosophy at any price. Yet those same people find it normal to go for a physical check-up from time to time. They get a doctor to examine their heart, stomach, liver, spleen, or intestines and tell them what is wrong with them, but they would never go and ask a spiritual master to tell them what was wrong with the way they felt and understood things. They consider that in these areas they are in perfect health: their thinking is all right, they see things clearly, their judgement is impeccable, they reason perfect? The proof of their misfortunes, sorrows, and failures. Yes, and yet they continue to believe that they are impeccable.

The whole world will one day come to the Universal White Brotherhood. At the moment you do not believe me when I say this, because there are more and more new teachings and new sects - not to mention all the ancient practices that had died away and are now being revived. Every one of those groups and philosophies has some good in it, but they all lack one essential element: none of them gives priority to the necessity of living for the collectivity, for brotherhood, for universality. Their members work for themselves, for their own advancement. And does mankind benefit from all that knowledge and power? It does not. Indeed, they themselves are often very unhappy people. So you must leave all those things alone and work only to bring peace, happiness, joy, and light to the whole world. True power and true knowledge are given to those who work unselfishly for the whole world. You will not know exactly how these gifts come, but they will come to you and dwell within you. It is when one stops thinking so much about oneself that one becomes truly formidable, because in this way one widens the circle. This is the new teaching that we are bringing to the world.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

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The true Religion of Christ II

All religions set aside one day of the week as a holy day, a day of prayer, but they have not all chosen the same day: for the Christians it is Sunday, for Jews, Saturday, for Muslims, Friday, and so on. But is there any real difference between teh days of the week? No, none at all. Every day is sacred; every day is divine. Friday is the day for doing good; Saturday is the day for doing good. In the Universal White Brotherhood every day must be sacred. Otherwise just look what happens: for six days in a row men and women break the law, and on the seventh they go to church and wash away the crimes committed during the week. But you cannot purify yourself in just one day; you need the whole week for that. You believe that it is enough if you think of God one day in the week; the rest of the week you have no time to remember him because you are too busy fighting and swindling others and sleeping with their husbands or wives. But that is grotesque. It is hypocrisy, a living lie. What is important is how you live those six days of the week.

When the new religion comes the idea of devoting a few hours or a single day of the week to praying and going to church will be thought very inadequate. We must be in God's church all day and every day, for God's church is the whole of creation. Of course, I realize that we cannot ask too much of human beings; they are still too uncouth and intrctable - many think that even one day is too much. But in the new religion people will want to be mystical seven days a week; they will want to pray and think good thoughts seven days a week; they will want to pray and think good thoughts seven days a week, and then seven more days, and so on, for the rest of their lives. What do you do when you are here at the Bonfin? Here, every day is Sunday - or Saturday, or Friday if you prefer - and you spend every day in 'church'. 'What church?' you ask, 'I see no church.' The church can be the open-air, out of doors, for the whole of nature is a church. But first and foremost the church is an inner reality; it is within yourselves.

Remember what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at the well. She had said, 'Our ancestors worshipped on this mountain, but you say that the place where people must worship is in Jerusalem.' And Jesus replied, 'Women, believe me, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem... God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.' But as the time was not yet ripe for the masses to understand these things, Jesus prepared St John and instructed him in the basic philosophical, cabbalistic, esoteric knowledge, the symbolic foundation of these new concepts. This he did in secret, without the knowledge of the other disciples, and when the others found out about it they were inclined to be envious of St John; in fact, St Peter reproached Jesus for it one day. But Jesus wanted to be sure that before he left at least one of his disciples would be in possession of those parts of his teaching that had not been revealed to all. This is why he gave St John this special instruction. And St John founded a Church which was never really accepted or understood by the Church of St Peter.

Remember also what Jesus said at the very end when Peter, referring to St John, asked, 'Lord, what about him?' Jesus replied, 'If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?' And the Gospel adds, 'So the rumour spread in the community that this disciple would not die.' What if St John were living even today in some unknown place. The Church of St John has formed an elite, an elite that has always worked in secret and been the depositary of this esoteric science throughout the ages. The religion os St John is the new religion that is to come, and however fiercely the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Churches fight it - as they have always fought and tried to wipe out the Church of St John - they will be no more successful now than they have been in the past.

All the purest and most knowledgeable initiates of the past have been disciples of St John, and those who belonged to the established Churches have always rejected and persecuted them and refused to acknowledge their superiority. But even though the Church of John has always been forced to live and work in secret, it has never ceased preparing the sons and daughters of God. The time is coming nor for it to manifest itself, and when it does so, its riches and its superiority will visible to the whole world. When that day comes, the Church of Peter will be forced, whether it likes it or not, to transform itself and introduce many reforms. Of course, there are some elite beings in the Church of Peter too, but as for the majority... well, it does not bear thinking of. Instead of applying themselves to learning and trying to become better they have always been content to persecute those who were more advanced.

Do you imagine that over the centuries priests and bishops took Holy Orders for the love of God; because they had a true vocation? Not at all. They did so because it gave them a lucrative and highly respected position (an ideal position for the lazy). They did not have much to do after all - a few Masses and a few prayers to say, an occasional baptism, wedding, or funeral - and the rest of their time was their own. To be sure there were always some who had a genuine vocation and who felt called to dedicate themselves completely to the Lord, and the faithful flocked to such as these in the thousands because of the light that radicated from their souls and lit up their words, their eyes, their very presence. They were true temples of God. But for most of the clergy it was simply a very convenient profession. As a matter of fact, we see the same thing today in the medical profession. In the days of the ancient initiations, only those who had received the gift of healing from God could be doctors. They healed the sick simply by their presence, by speaking a few words or by the laying on of hands. But today people enter the medical profession because it is very lucrative and gives them considerable prestige and influence. The result is that many crooks who are interested only in mankind a lot of money are steadily poisoning the whole of mankind. No matter, they still pass themselves off as doctors. It is greed, the lust for money, that guides human beings. For many people the choice of a profession depends entirely on the rewards it offers in the way of money or glory. I have no desire to disparage doctors and priests or to interfere with them; I am simply telling you the truth.

The Church of St Peter has always been appallingly intolerant, chopping off heads or burning at the stake all those who refused to think or behave exactly according to the rules it laid down. The members of the Church of St John, on the other hand, have never cut off anyone's head; they have never thrown people into prison; they have always left men and women free to follow their bent while, for their part, they concentrated on trying to be closer to the Lord and to resemble God. And yet did Jesus not say, 'Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect?' This is the supreme ideal; and if some people choose a different ideal, that is their business.

The Catholic religion can boast of being universal if it likes. This may be how it sees itself, but it is not how initiates see it. The universal religion will be the religion of the sun, for only the sun is universal. You will say, 'But what about the Lord? Is God not universal?' Yes, of course he is. But God is so sublime, so inaccessible. People refuse to accept the religion of the sun on the pretext that only God must be adored and worshipped; but God is so far away that they are incapable of getting anywhere near him, and the result is that they are left with nothing. On the pretext that it is forbidden to adore anyone or anything but God, they have no feeling or understanding for anything at all. Is that intelligent? Why do they refuse to admit that only the sun is capable of bringing us closer to God, for only the sun can give us some idea of God's immensity, of his light, his love, and his power? By rejecting the sun, people condemn themselves to remain forever weak, forever immured in cold and darkness.

How peculiar human beings are. Theologians spend their time inventing abstract theories about the Deity. They argue and quarrel fiercely about essence, substance, transcendence, and so on, while the masses have not the least idea what any of these theories mean. But if you suggest that the sun can be an image that has the power to propel them all the way to the Deity... Oh no, that is just too much for them. Well, whether they like it or not, the religion of the future will be the religion of the sun, because it is the sun that most accurately represents the Blessed Trinity.

There is already one whole volume of my lectures about the sun (Vol. 10), and yet I have still not told you much. What horizons would be revealed to men if only they understood more about the sun. Take Jesus' command to love our enemies for example. How difficult it is to accept such an idea; to love one's friends, perhaps, but to love one's enemies? You will rarely find anyone - even a Christian - who has made up his mind to love his enemies. You cannot even be sure that he loves his friends, so how can he possibly love his enemies? Believe me, if you analyse yourselves sincerely, you will see that nothing is more difficult than to love one's enemies. One wonders where Jesus got this precept from. I will tell you: he got it from the sun. For whether you love the sun is the only being who has solved the problem; he even loves, nourishes, and vivifies unbelievers and criminals. Even if you forget all about the important role of the sun in the universe and look only at the moral aspect, the example he gives us is truly noble, truly sublime. Such a peerless example of limitless love is found only very rarely among human beings, even among those who are the most highly evolved. Jesus was one such example, of course. We know that he possessed all powers, authority over all things, for he said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me, 'but he did not use that authority against his enemies. In fact, in the most bitter moments of his agony he thought of them and prayed for them, saying, 'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.'

If you want to know what true morality is, you must learn from the sun; no one else can teach it. Human beings are always eager to tell you what you should do, but they are incapable of putting their own advice into practice; whereas the sun says nothing, his deeds speak for him. He never says, 'You must love your enemies.' He never even says, 'I love you.' No, but he goes on loving everyone all the time. Only the sun can teach us how to discover and respect the moral laws of the cosmos. Human beings make the great mistake of seeking the principles of morality in libraries, in books written by corrupt human beings. They should go and seek instruction from the sun.

Of course we cannot force our teaching or our way of life on anyone. Only very few are ready and anxious to transform themselves and their way of life, and if they have achieved this frame of mind it is because they have already suffered a great deal and have come to realize that if they do not change they will be struck off the roll of the living. The others cannot be forced, they are still too young. They still have many lessons to learn, and they need more experience. What can I do if they do not understand the importance of our spiritual activities: our meals together, the singing, the breathing exercices, the prayers, meditations, and fasting? If they neglect all these means that are put at their disposal and fail to understand how powerful they are, what do you expect me to do about it? I cannot force them; they have to be left to go their own way and learn through suffering. But a vast field of extraordinary activities is lying open before all those who are sincerely interested in making progress. The activities of a disciple are represented symbolically by the twelve labours of Hercules, which are related to the twelve signs of the Zodiac. These are the twelve activities which enable human beings to open their twelve gates and become the New Jerusalem, the city of light, where illness, death, and darkness are no more. The New Jerusalem is the human being who has attained perfection, one who possesses the twelve gates of pearl and whose ramparts are built on the foundations of twelve precious stones.

Believe me, it is the teaching of Christ that I am giving you. There is nothing, absolutely nothing in what I say that contradicts Christ's teaching. What I reveal to you may contradict some of the opinions expressed by certain writers. It may even contradict certain dogmas of the Church which are pure invention and have nothing to do with Christ's teaching, but it contains nothing that is incomatible with Christ's true philosophy. The great question now is whether you prefer the Scriptures, and particularly the Gospels, in which everything is so simple, or whether you prefer other sources in which that simplicity has been distorted. Until the fourth century Christians, followed the true philosophy of Christ. It was only later that all kinds of deviations appeared.

As was foretold by the Prophet Ezekiel, the changes that will take place in the future will be so great, the light and love of God will be so powerfully and so widely diffused throughout the world, that human beings will learn directly form God himself; they will understand the Scriptures and live a life of perfection; they will prophesy and see visions. When this day comes, mankind will no longer need priests or pastors - or even me. All men will be guided and enlightened directly by the divine spirit. This has been foretold, and it will come about. And all those bigots who hawk their holy medals and relics of the true cross of Jesus (after two thousand years, there must be enough of them to constitute a whole forest.)... all those bigots will be obliged to close shop because people will go directly to the source.

This was that Jesus had in mind when he told the Samaritan woman that men would worship God in spirit and in truth. In spirit and in truth: that is to say, free from matter and free from falsehood. When human beings live in spirit and truth they will no longer need all these crutches; they will be able to walk on their own strong legs. The reality that Jesus visualized was immense, grandiose. The people he saw around him were still very frail, vulnerable, and defenceless, and still dependent on material, external props, but the mankind he envisaged was strong enough to rely only on the inner power of the spirit.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

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More power to the brotherhood then...

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The True Religion of Christ

As I have said, a universal religion must embrace all the knowledge and all the practical methods human beings need in order to reach the Lord. When Christianity refuses to teach reincarnation it makes it impossible for people to understand God's justice.

What you saying is compatible with my way of thinking!
For me Sunday is everyday!
Just now I am thinking if I should go to church this Christmas but I can not, because long time ago I found out that the church is just a business and pastors just see there occupation as an ordinary job!
Also I can not except that some people go ones a week to church then as soon they get out of the church door they follow Evil the rest of the week!
From my observation I come up with the saying; the Devil is never embarrassed to use and hide behind the Face of God and the church on Sunday is full of it! So why should I sit with the devil on Sunday? I am better of staying with my self knowing who I am also prays can be made any day and any time of the day!
I am staying a long time in a Muslim country and I made my comment to them by saying would it not be better to have 11 month Ramadan and then have one month for lying, stealing and corruption! I know what comment you like to give me but reality still prevails but what an improvement it would be if evil is controlled for 11 month! I never yet got into an argument about this they just don’t answer back which shows me they do understand what I mean!

The Church should not end up as Organization; I would like to see the Church like my grandmother where you are able to talk about everything & anything! The other problem I can see is, can they not just use the word God instead confusing the issue with all this different prophets! If we talk about God no one would argue this fact! Example ones there was an incident here where someone sad Mohamed was the son of Jesus after that they burned the whole town. I believe if they would have sad that Mohamed was the son of God that should prevented the Problem!
But this is the key problem having all this different religions always creates conflicts! Muslims say they superior; Christians also say they superior it will never sink in that no one is superior, but who likes to play God no one except the illuminati, Bush, Hitler but to me they much too ugly looking with there long horns and its unacceptable!
Quote from Google: More confusion in the teaching of all this different Church Businesses: God Is the Gospel, God is one but can be many, Jesus the Only God, Life of faith in God, Our Father with Jesus, Believe in one God the Creator, Faith Jesus God, God/Jesus/holly ghost, Jesus Christ, God speaks His Word as Jesus, Jesus is God, God is in Jesus, Jesus of God, Mother of God, Lord your God, Jesus Christ is truly God, God through Jesus Christ,Jesus is God and so on!
Here is one from the Illuminati: One can find God even on Wall Street!
Holly me could they make up there mind after 2007 years?
This is my own pick; You can be Gods image by what you do; but you can not be God for someone else and you can not replace you’re creator! Ones we are all like Gods image then we are all become one!

Creating a new universal religion I fully agree! The same if we would have one type of money in the whole world! How many problems would automatically disappear!
This would bring up a lot of arguments but then again exactly the same People would argue which created all this mess in the first place!

I am not in conflict with any of this Rules and his consequent & punishments; only evil will argue this to protect him self from judgment!


Ten Commandments (wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
The Ten Commandments in the Quran
http://www.submission.org/quran/ten.html
What the Bible says about Capital Punishment
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/capital.html

http://www.virtualchurch.org/2006/03/animal-rights-and-wrongs.html
The Bible is clear that man is made in God's image and is granted dominion (control) over Earth and the animals. And because the Earth is God's, our control is limited to the role of good stewardship: managing, but not exploiting, another's property. Man is of a higher order than animals. Jesus said, "You are of more value than many sparrows "[Luke 12:7]. He demonstrated this when He expelled demons from the men they possessed and sent them into a herd of swine. Since the act caused the pigs to leap to their deaths, I wonder if PETA would have screamed for the murder of Jesus. Oh, wait--that already happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting
Nevertheless, although the distinction between lawful and unlawful hunting is undoubtedly permissible, it is certain that a bishop can absolutely prohibit all hunting to the clerics of his diocese, as was done by synods at Milan, Avignon, Liège, Cologne and elsewhere. Benedict XIV (De synodo diœces., l. II, c. x) declared that such synodal decrees are not too severe, as an absolute prohibition of hunting is more conformable to the ecclesiastical law. In practice, therefore, the synodal statutes of various localities must be consulted to discover whether they allow quiet hunting or prohibit it altogether.

It is important to note that the bible places no such restrictions on any Christian; however, the animal must be properly drained of blood before consuming. This would be in accord with what is found in the Bible book of Acts chapter 15, verses 28 and 29, specifically, "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!"

We need one rule which is Gods rule period!

You know what makes me confident to trust the Ten Commandments!
I know for a fact that there was not one Organisation, Politician, Vatican Pope, CIA, FBI, Supreme court Judge, Illuminati, Elite, Banker ore Monkey playing around with these Ten Commandments!


Let's start the Process Tomorrow!


Here is one more site which is compatible with my thinking!
http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/welcome_home/

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The true Religion of Christ III

Through prayer and meditation a disciple purifies his own temple and calls on the Lord to come and dwell in it. Nothing can be compared to a human body that has been purified and sanctified so that it can become a temple of the Almighty. It is when man is a temple, when he prays in his own temple, that god hears and answers his prayer.

Most human beings are extremely negligent about the purification of their physical bodies. It never occurs to them that their bodies were designed to be temples of the living God and that they should look after them and strengthen and purify them. They continually abuse their bodies by eating and drinking things that are harmful to their health, or by smoking or indulging in various other forms of foolishness. Yes, man's physical body was destined to be a temple, but there is nothing sacred about it any longer, and obviously, in these circumstances, it is not the Lord who will come to dwell in it, but entities of a lower order, all those undesireables that covet filth and feed on impurities.

As I have often said, I have learned a great deal from the world of insects, from ants and bedbugs, for instance. These little creatures possess extraordinary antennae which science has not yet studied. For example, there are not normally any ants in my cottage, but I only have to leave some crumbs of food lying about, and within a few minutes there they are. What special flair, what powers of divination tell them that there are some scraps of food waiting for them, sometimes a long way away? Then, as soon as I sweep up the crumbs, they disappear again. The same is true of flies, fleas and mice. In fact in the cheap, dirty hotels or doss-houses in the East, for instance, swarms of bedbugs appear all over the ceiling as soon as people are asleep. But the remarkable thing is that they do not attack every sleeper in the dormitory. A bedbug will calculate its position with extraordinary accuracy and drop exactly on to the one person whose blood contains the impurities it needs to feed on. How does it know which target to choose? It examines them all and says, 'No, not that one. Not that one. Ah, there is one that has what I need, 'and presto. It drops straight on to its target.

Yes, bedbugs are really very clever. It is thanks to them that I have learned the supreme laws of purity, for the laws are the same on the psychic plane. On every plane there are creatures that sense impurities from afar and flock to feed on them. In every area and on every plane there is food for one or other kind of being. All creatures, both the malignant, evil creatures of darkness and the creatures of good and of light need to eat. In fact the Christians among you were horrified one day when I explained that even God ate. 'What? God needs to eat?' 'Yes, of course, but he does not eat sausages.' 'Then what does he eat?' they ask. Ah, these Christians, when will they ever understand? Genesis tells us that man was created in the image of God, and since man eats, why should god not eat? Yes, God eats. And it is the Seraphim who nourish him with their radiance and their emanations, with substances so subtle, pure, and precious that we can barely imagine them.

As I was saying, most human beings fail to look after their temple properly. But the Scriptures tell us, 'You are the temple of the living God,' and this means that we should take great care of our temple and keep it clean. We must not do what the Jews did with the temple in Jerusalem and allow all kinds of dirt to accumulate in it (the Jews used to take their cattle, goats and chickens and sell them in the Temple, so it was in a state of indescribable filth). Jesus was the only one who expressed his indignation at this; everybody else took it for granted. But what is a temple? Certainly not, as some people think, a place in which to entertain all kinds of animals. Taking some rope, Jesus made a whip and drove out all those who bought and sold in the Temple, saying, 'Get rid of all this filth. Stop using my Father's house for your trafficking.'

When a clairvoyant looks at people, he can see that the physical bodies of the majority, instead of being temples of the Most High, have become the dens of wild animals. Like the Jews, human beings have forgotten what their temple is supposed to be. We need the Lord to come back to warn us, to tell us, 'Keep my temple clean, otherwise I shall be obliged to go away and abandon you. I cannot stay in such a dirty place.'

The human beings we see around us are always anxious, troubled and unhappy, and this is a sign that they have not managed to secure the presence of the Lord in their temple; if they had, that presence would light up their lives. It is high time they asked themselves why they are in such a sorry state. It is time they understood that by feeding their bodies on all kinds of impurities they have opened their doors to the creatures of hell, and that is why God has not blessed them with his presence. Neither can they enjoy the presence of his angels, for although the Lord himself will not dwell within his creatures until they have achieved absolute purity, he may send one or more angels or great spirits to represent him. If you have forgotten about purifying your body and now find yourself in the cold and dark, you must draw the right conclusion and tell yourself, 'It is true, I have done everything I could to get myself into this state. I have opened my doors to all kinds of vile entities, and now heaven has abandoned me.' This is what you must tell yourselves, for this is the truth.

I have already given you several different methods of purification. It is not enough to be dipped into a bowl of water or immersed in a river to be pure, and yet many sects that do not possess the light of initiatic science consider this to be sufficient baptism. No, you can be immersed in physical water as often as you like without becoming any purer, because the power of purification does not belong to physical water but to another kind of water. True baptism is something that concerns all the planes of our being, not only the physical plane. True purification touches the four regions known in the Cabbalah as Assiah, Yetzirah, Brian and Atziluth, which correspond to the four elements -earth, water,air and fire. The elements are represented in the higher world by four angels belonging to the highest ranks of the angelic hierarchy, the Seraphim - or, as the Cabbalah calls them, the Hayoth ha-Kadosh. You can work at your own purification with the help of these four angels: ask the angel of earth to cleanse your physical body, the angel of water to wash your astral body, the angel of air to purify your mental body, and the angel of fire to sanctify your spirit. A marvellous work of purification can be done in this way if you combine this practise with your breathing exercises. But I have already explained this to you at length (vol. 7), so I shall not enlarge on it today.

If you think about your temple every day in this way, light, warmth, life and purity will come to dwell in you, and many things will be revealed to you. It is all very simple and clear. But those who continue to soil their temple have no alternative but to find themselves sinking deeper and deeper into corruption and depravity. Look at all the contemporary artists whose paintings represent the new style that they call 'abstract art'. Why are they so attached to a notion of art that no one else can understand? If the meaning of their work is a secret known only to themselves - and I am by no means sure that they themselves know it - it will never serve to elevate and ennoble others or help them to find God. Would it do you any good if I began to speak a language that was incomprehensible to you? There are certain sects in which, apparently, people speak 'in tongues', but as no one understands a word, no one benefits from what they say - not even themselves. The whole thing is quite senseless. You must speak a language that can be clearly understood by all.

Suppose that you are an artist and that you have a masterpiece - a painting or sculpture - on exhibition: everyone who looks at it should be able to understand what it means. If you created it exclusively for your own satisfaction, then you should not exhibit it. To exhibit a work of art that is incomprehensible to everyone but its author is pointless. Here, too, mankind has gone astray. It has adopted means of expression that have no rhyme or reason and has reached the point where nobody dares to say that contemporary art is, in most cases, an aberration. Everybody applauds and says, 'Amen'. A few years ago in England, a painter exhibited a certain number of abstract paintings that were widely acclaimed by the critics, but when his exhibition was at the height of its success he revealed that those abstracts had been painted by his cat. He had gone out and left his cat in the studio one day, and when he returned he found that it had had great fun getting its paws and tail coated with paint which it had then smeared onto some canvases and produced these abstract 'paintings'. Of course the critics were furious. They had made fools of themselves by going into raptures over paintings produced by a cat. Can you imagine anything more idiotic? If that is art, then any fool, even a babe in arms, can produce whatever they please and exhibit it.

The truth is that if you are an artist you should accomplish something that no one else can accomplish; something so beautyful and edifying that it propels hearts and souls upwards towards perfection, towards the Lord. This is how initiates understand the mission of art: to lead human beings to heaven, not to hell, discord, and disorder. Anyone is free to present horrors to the public in the form of music, drawings, or films, but to do so is a crime against humanity, because in the long run these so-called works of art influence people's minds. If so many people are mentally and emotionally disturbed today, it is because they are imbibing more and more disorder and ugliness from their environment. Whatever one sees and hears influences the nervous system, and when one sees nothing but disorder, that disorder necessarily enter's one's being, whereas when one contemplates beauty and harmony, one becomes beautyful and harmonious. This is a law of magic.

How is it possible that artists have never discovered this law? Why have they gone out of their way to find these fads and fashions, while all the time so many splendid things were waiting to be found? The reason is that they have neglected the temple we talked about a few moments ago. They have allowed it to get so dirty that it is now full of all kinds of demonic creatures, and it is these creatures that inspire them and dictate what they do. And the results are hideous. If they had always taken care to cleanse and purify and sanctify themselves and to dedicate themselves to heaven, their ideas, intuitions, and inspirations would be of a different kind. Artists need to be informed; they need to understand that the psychic world is ruled by implacable laws, and if they live a stupid, discordant life they will attract entities of a lower order that will inspire them in evil ways and end by corrupting them completely.

Be sure to purify yourselves every day, therefore (for what you did yesterday was for yesterday, and today you must begin all over again), until your whole being is renewed. The work of purification is something that continues the whole of one's life. The fact that a baby has been immersed in water on the day of its baptism is no guarantee that it will be protected from invasion by evil spirits for the rest of its life. That kind of baptism is not going to frighten the devil away. Christians have to work every day to enhance and amplify what they received on the day of their baptism. If they make no effort in this direction, the effects of their baptism will eventually be destroyed. But try to get them to understand this! They think that the sacrifice of Jesus has saved all human beings once and for all; that they can sin as much as they like and commit every possible crime and still be saved because the Lord has shed his blood for them. But I ask them, 'If it is true that you have been redeemed, if it is true that all your depts have already been paid, how do you explain the fact that your lives are still plagued by disease, disorder and tragedy?' And they have no answer. The answer is that it is not enough to have been saved and baptized once. You have to strive all your life long and with all your heart and soul to continue the work of salvation and purification begun at baptism. I have seen some deplorable specimens of proud, self-satisfied Christians who considered that they had been purified once and for all and had no need to do any more. The fact that they had been baptized as Catholics was enough to keep them safe for all eternity. And yet when you see these peoples in their daily lives you see that they are just as bad - somtimes worse - than everybody else. This is why I am obliged to tell them that they have neither learned nor understood, nor achieved anything. Will they understand us one day? I wonder. It almost looks as though everybody except Christians will understand.

I had a letter recently from some brothers and sisters in Turkey. They told me that they had been invited to a meal with some friends, and that among the guests was an old and very learned Turkish scholar who told them, 'Islam is a marvellous religion, and we are extremely fortunate to be Muslims, but how much better it would be if there were one universal religion.' Obviously this learned old man realized that Islam was not the one universal religion, and he is certainly not alone in this. There must be many people throughout the world who are tuned in to the same idea and who realize that it is no longer enough to have so many different religions, each of which is suited to only one race, nation, or tribe, that it is time we found a universal religion.

Well, for my part, I have found that one religion; I belong to the universal religion. In time, when the whole of mankind discovers it, its language will be understood by all, for it is based on the essential needs of all human beings. The central symbol of this religion is the sun, for all mankind needs, understands, and loves the sun. The only universal religion is the solar religion, because behind the sun is the One who is the God of all humanity. The fact that all human beings need the sun proves this. Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, and Jews all have different, seemingly incompatible, notions of God, and in these conditions dissension, hatred, and war will never end. Do you really believe that the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland, who are continually killing each other, have found God?

There are too many religions in the world. This is the cause of all the greatest misfortunes of mankind. One religion is enough, the religion of light, warmth, and life and this is the religion of the sun. Does the sun strike people dead if they believe in another God? No. He is far too tolerant, far too indulgent. He simply says, 'Believe what you like, but for my part I shall continue to scatter my wealth abroad, 'whereas human beings are ready to exterminate anyone who refuses to accept their conception of a God that none of them has ever seen.

But I can say that I have seen the Lord. Yes, I have seen him in the sun, for it is the sun that best expresses divine perfection, that gives us the best image of the most sublime ideal. And we should be like the sun, who never stops pouring out light, warmth, and life and no questions asked. Whether we are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, or Buddhist, the sun sees us all as children of God. I assure you, in the long run nobody will be able to ignore these great truths; the whole world will come to the one true religion of Christ. It is the spirit of the sun that is Christ. Of course, it is not a question of seeing Christ in the disc that we see shining in the sky, but of sensing that God himself, with all his love, is there behind that sun, behind that symbol. This is why my one desire is to sweep away all the narrow, limited notions that mankind has accumulated over the centuries and show what I know, what has been revealed to me: the light of this universal religion, thsi religion of Christ that will be the only religion of the future.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[oiram]

Maybe someone could explain me this phenomena! Is there something wrong in Rome :confused: :confused:

Just now I am thinking if I should go to church this Christmas but I can not, because long time ago I found out that the church is just a business and pastors just see there occupation as an ordinary job!
Also I can not except that some people go ones a week to church then as soon they get out of the church door they follow Evil the rest of the week!
From my observation I come up with the saying; the Devil is never embarrassed to use and hide behind the Face of God and the church on Sunday is full of it! So why should I sit with the devil on Sunday?

Quote from Google: More confusion in the teaching of all this different Church Businesses: God Is the Gospel, God is one but can be many, Jesus the Only God, Life of faith in God, Our Father with Jesus, Believe in one God the Creator, Faith Jesus God, God/Jesus/holly ghost, Jesus Christ, God speaks His Word as Jesus, Jesus is God, God is in Jesus, Jesus of God, Mother of God, Lord your God, Jesus Christ is truly God, God through Jesus Christ,Jesus is God and so on!
Here is one from the Illuminati: One can find God even on Wall Street!
Holly me could they make up there mind after 2007 years, Who ore what could be God?
This is my own pick; You can be Gods image by what you do; but you can not be God for someone else and you can not replace you're creator! Ones we are all like Gods image then we are all become one!
But this is the key problem having all this different teachings & religions always create conflicts! Muslims say they superior; Christians also say they superior it will never sink in that no one is superior, but who likes to play God; no one except the illuminati, Bush, Hitler but to me they much too ugly looking with there long horns and its unacceptable!

The Gospel which one should you trust the old one ore the new one?
Who wrote the Gospel? Who played with it? Who manipulated the Gospel ore part of it?
By my logic if the Old Testament was no good for someone; so for whom is the New Testament more profitable?

I put my baseline on the Ten Commandments that's all I need and is very logical even after 2007 years! the Gospel looks to me like a Rhetorical Organization rule Book and still makes money after 2007 years!

I am a logical Realistic person! Please have a go and try to make God = One!

I am not in conflict with any of this Rules and his consequent & punishments; only evil will argue this to protect him self from judgment!


Ten Commandments (wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
The Ten Commandments in the Quran
http://www.submission.org/quran/ten.html
What the Bible says about Capital Punishment
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/capital.html

http://www.virtualchurch.org/2006/03/animal-rights-and-wrongs.html
The Bible is clear that man is made in God's image and is granted dominion (control) over Earth and the animals. And because the Earth is God's, our control is limited to the role of good stewardship: managing, but not exploiting, another's property. Man is of a higher order than animals. Jesus said, "You are of more value than many sparrows "[Luke 12:7]. He demonstrated this when He expelled demons from the men they possessed and sent them into a herd of swine. Since the act caused the pigs to leap to their deaths, I wonder if PETA would have screamed for the murder of Jesus. Oh, wait--that already happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting
Nevertheless, although the distinction between lawful and unlawful hunting is undoubtedly permissible, it is certain that a bishop can absolutely prohibit all hunting to the clerics of his diocese, as was done by synods at Milan, Avignon, Liège, Cologne and elsewhere. Benedict XIV (De synodo diœces., l. II, c. x) declared that such synodal decrees are not too severe, as an absolute prohibition of hunting is more conformable to the ecclesiastical law. In practice, therefore, the synodal statutes of various localities must be consulted to discover whether they allow quiet hunting or prohibit it altogether.

It is important to note that the bible places no such restrictions on any Christian; however, the animal must be properly drained of blood before consuming. This would be in accord with what is found in the Bible book of Acts chapter 15, verses 28 and 29, specifically, "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!"

We need one rule which is Gods rule period!

You know what makes me confident to trust the Ten Commandments!
I know for a fact that there was not one Organisation, Politician, Vatican Pope, CIA, FBI, Supreme court Judge, Illuminati, Elite, Banker ore Monkey playing around with these Ten Commandments!



Let's start the Process Tomorrow!

[solve_et_coagula]

The True Religion of Christ IV

The religion taught by Jesus was perfect; I am not denying that. But it has been so distorted in the course of the centuries that it has become a rich culture medium in which every kind of noxious germ ferments and proliferates. This is why it is time to abandon all these false ideas and rediscover the one universal religion, the religion that has existed since the beginning of the universe and that will continue to exist until the end. The sun existed long before human beings appeared on the earth, but they have never really understood the message he sends them every day: 'Be like me, shine, radiate, give love, and pour out warmth and life.'

Human beings are so wrapped up in their own prosaic, insignificant concerns that they never think of looking at the sun and trying to resemble him. They say, 'What is the use of the sun? It has not managed to make mankind any better or kinder, it has not taught or enlightened human beings.' That is true, but it is because mankind has never been allowed to see the true importance of the sun. The Church is like Mullah Nashrudin, who, in response to a student's question as to which was the more important, the sun or the moon, replied, 'The moon, of course. The sun only comes out in daylight, and what use is that? t least the moon makes the night less dark.' And the Church reasons in the same way: it says that the Mass is more important than the sun, and in saying this it teaches people to ignore the one being capable of ripening the wheat and grapes, without which there could be no Mass. Henceforth the Church must point to the sun and tell Christians: 'Behold the symbol of Christ; we must all learn to be like that.'

I beg you to take what I am saying seriously; it is very important. Also, my friends in the invisible world are watching you and sending you a word of warning: 'Your instructor has just given you a very precious key; if you fail to make good use of it you will have to answer for your neglect.' Yes, for these heavenly beings are displeased when they see that someone is unworthy of their gifts... an they will be displeased with me too. They will say, 'Why did you give these pearls to such idlers? You should have kept them to yourself.' Please have some consideration for me and do not cause heaven to punish me because of you. The trouble is that you know so little about all these laws, about the links between people and things. You think that there is no reason why I should be punished because of your transgressions. But there is a reason: we are all interconnected, all linked to each other, and if I reveal truths to you that I should have kept to myself, it is I who will be held responsible. It is I who will be blamed. Heaven chides me and tells me, 'You are far too generous. Why not let them pull themselves up? You should leave them to struggle and exhaust themselves. Why not make them work their way up the mountain and wear their own fingers to the bone instead of carrying them to the top yourself? They need to know how difficult it is to reach the peak.'

Anyone who wants to find a truly universal religion can do so. It has existed form all eternity. Men have still not recognized it, but it has always been there. Thousands of religions have come and gone in the world - it would be impossible to count them all - and they have all disintegrated and disappeared in the end. But there is one true religion, and that religion will never disappear. The new religion must embrace the whole universe. Look at the sun: it illuminates and warms all creatures, all plants and animals, whereas the Christian religion lights and warms barely a few million people in the world. And who can tell just how much light and warmth those millions actually get from it, or how many millions more have never even heard of it and (sad though this may be from a Christian point of view) who are better off without it.

But now the Aquarian age is coming and bringing the universal religion into the world. Aquarius is the water, the stream of life and love from which all creatures drink, and it brings with it the new religion. Any religion that is incapable of giving mankind this water is not universal. Water is universal; there is not a single creature that does not need water. Water is universal just as air is universal, just as light is universal. The new religion will be founded on universal elements capable of satisfying the hunger and thirst of all human beings. At the moment we still see Christians becoming Buddhists or Muslims; Jews and Muslims becoming Christians, and so on. This means that there is no one religion that is universal. When the universal religion comes, no one will feel the need to wander in search of something else; all will belong to the one religion.

The passage that I read to you earlier says that it is when man prays in his own temple that God hears and answers his prayer. Why does God not answer your prayers if you do not pray from within your temple? You can always go into a church to pray, of course, but a church is a temple that is foreign to you, and its vibrations will be less conducive to the kind of prayer that carries you up to the very throne of God. The fabric of a church or cathedral may be saturated with prayers and good intentions, but if your own body is not purified it will constitute an obstacle to those influences. It is useless to enter a pure and magnificent building to pray if you yourself are impure. On the other hand, if your own temple is pure there is no need for you to go into a church; wherever you are, up in the mountains or elsewhere, your prayer will immediately be heard. It is very important to know these things. Many people go to church, and that is excellent, but they forget their own inner sanctuary.

Leave churches and temples to others, and be content to work for years and years with the angels of the four elements, asking them to cleanse, wash, purify and sanctuary containing a stream of living water. Let this water flow into every nook and cranny of your being; let it wash and vivify all your cells. What is to prevent you from using exercises of this kind to transform your bodies into temples of great beauty? Great inner beauty, or course. I am not suggesting that you imitate those people - mostly woman - who scent their baths and smother themselves in perfumes and lotions every day but whose inner beings smell foul because they never 'wash' themselves inwardly; their inner temple is always dirty. There have been saints who never washed their bodies but who had extraordinary inner purity. This does not mean that I do not recommend this either... I am simply saying that you must neglect neither aspect; neither the inner nor the outer dimension. Even though you give the priority to the inner dimension, you still have to maintain a balance between the two.

Perhaps you have the impression that I want to destroy religion. Well, if that were my intention I could safely leave it to others, for plenty of people have been trying for centuries to do just that. No, true religion is eternal; it cannot be destroyed. Even though the Bible contains elements that are no longer appropriate for our era, it still contains thousands of essential truths that will endure for all eternity. No one can destroy these, for all those great beings, all those prophets who were sent to bring these truths into the world were inspired, guided, and inhabited by the Lord. It was only later, after they had left this world, that certain distortions developed; either because they had not had time to explain everything fully or because others had misunderstood them. The further you advance, the more clearly you will see that the religion of Christ is far greater than Christians think. If Christianity were really the one, universal religion, mankind would be better off than it is today.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[solve_et_coagula]

The true Religion of Christ V

Yes, my dear brothers and sisters, you belong to this teaching, you live in the midst of spiritual truths, and in spite of that you sometimes feel as though you were in a terrible state of abandonment, as though God had deserted you. This is a state that many saints and mystics have experienced before you, and today I would like to try and throw a little light on the question. However, the first thing I must tell you before going any further is that everything depends on your perception of God.

When one studies the history of religion, one sees that in proclaiming Yahveh to be the one true God, Moses was introducing a truly revolutionary idea. But the God of Moses was a God to be feared: a consuming fire, the vengeful, implacable Lord of the universe. And his creatures, trembling, fearful human beings, owed that God only one duty: obedience. Later, when Jesus came, he spoke of the Lord as a father and said that human beings were his children. The distance between humanity and God was greatly reduced: human beings were now 'related' to God, members of the same family; everything had changed. Yes, but where had the change actually occurred? In the minds and hearts of human beings, in their inner consciousness. They now felt closer to God.

Until then God had been a remote, awesome tyrant whom they had been taught to fear ('The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom'); but Jesus taught that this fear could be replaced by love. Instead of being afraid of this terrible God, human beings could love him, take refuge in his arms, feel that he was their loving father or mother. This was an entirely new development in religion.

Today it is time to go even further. As long as you think of God as existing in a cloud of glory in some remote region of the universe called heaven, where he partakes of sumptous banquets surrounded by his angels and archangels, your notion of God is an objective, external one; God is outside you. Even if you think of him as your father and feel that you are his child, he is still outside you. And this is the tragedy: you project God outside yourself. God may well exist outside man, but when men conceive of him as being external to themselves they become acutely aware of their own limitations and of all that separates them from him. So many worlds, so many stars, such infinite reaches of space lie between them and God that they cannot possibly hope to reach him. But as soon as you sense that God is present within you, that he is there as light, life and intelligence, as a unique force, you can never again be separated from him. You find God within yourself.

Human beings have never rally been taught to understand God in this way. From time to time they may come across a book in which a mystic, poet, or philosopher suggests some such notion, 'Hhow poetic. What a profound idea.' but it does not occur to them to ponder that idea or apply it to their own lives. They continue to think of God as existing themselves. If you think of God as being apart from and outside yourself, it necessarily means that you think of yourself as being apart from and outside God. And what will become of those who are apart from God? They will be nothing more than an object.

What is an object? Every craftsman, labourer, or farmer, for example, uses certain tools for his work. These tools are objects that are not a part of himself. When he needs them he picks them up, uses them, and then puts them aside until he needs them again - the next day or next month or next year. In the same way, if we think that we exist apart from God, it will seem to us that God picks us up or puts us aside like objects. If the pots that come from a potter's wheel or the saucepans in a housewife's kitchen were consicious, can you imagine what they would feel like when they were left unused on the shelf? They would complain bitterly that their mistress had forgotten them. 'and when she scraped out our insides the spoon made a noise that was music to our ears. In those days we were happy. But now she has forgotten all about us. How cruel and wicked of her.'

What can you expect? If we behave like pots and pans it is only normal that the Lord should forget about us from time to time. Can you blame him? It is because we are like objects that we sometimes feel abandoned. At times the Lord picks us up and uses us, at other times he puts us aside, but we have no right to reproach him for it. Would one of your saucepans dare to complain because you did not use it every day? No, you are master - or mistress - in your own house, and it is normal to do as you please. So it is unfair and illogical to rebel against the Lord when you feel abandoned. When you are really within him, in his head and in his members, then you will always be with him and in him. The very worst philosophy you can have is to conceive of yourself as being apart from God, outside him.

Believe me, it will not be long before men's philosphical and religious concepts change very considerably. At the moment people think that it si normal to believe that there is a great distance between man and God. They think that this is only right and proper. But in that case, why do they complain so bitterly when they suffer the consequences of that attitude?
I have already told you that in the future there will be a third Testament that will complete the first two, and in it this truth - that man must learn to get much closer to God, must learn to sense that God is within him - will be strongly emphasized. In fact it will be presented as an absolute essential. When man makes this truth his own he will no longer have the impression of being abandoned by God.

If we feel abandoned by God today it si because we have abandoned him. Can we say that we are always with him? Perhaps we made our first Communion and prayed to him for a few minutes fifty or sixty years ago, but have we ever thought of him since? No. We have deserted him, so why should he not have the right to do the same to us? Why should he be obliged to think of us all the time? Who are we to complain? What makes us think that we are so important that the Lord should constantly be concerned about us?

The truth is, of course, that the Lord takes care of us ceaselessly but in ways that are completely different from those we imagine. Let me explain this. When a child is born, cosmic intelligence gives it everything it needs for its life on earth. It is fully equipped with boots, a helmet, a gun, ammunition, and so on. After that it is up to him to look after himself. You are greatly mistaken if you believe that God spends his time thinking aobut each one of us. He has already given us health, strength, and vitality and everything else we need. Or perhaps I should say that it is not God who takes care exactly what they have to do, while he is concerned with things of far greater importance.

Yes, the third Testament will give men the ultimate solution. They will live constantly in the presence of the Lord. They will no longer be able to tear themselves away from him, and as they will no longer abandon God, God will no longer abandon them. Whereas at the moment we think of God only from time to time - and from time to time God thinks of us. Even some great saints have grieved because they felt that God had abandoned them, and this shows that they did not know these truths. Does that astonish you? It simply means that a saint may have a great deal of love and great qualities and virtues but that his knowledge and understanding may not have evolved to the same degree. Then there are others for whom the situation can be quite the reverse: they understand many things but they are lacking in virtues and qualities.

You will perhaps feel like saying, 'But it seems more respectful, more fitting, to think of God as being outside ourselves. This is what we have always been taught.' Yes, but there are thousands upon thousands of degrees of truth, and the time has come to take a step forward. We must begin to thin of God as being close to us, within us. At the same time, we must think of ourselves as being minute, infinitesimal particles of God. God is the Whole and each one of us is a minute particle of the Whole. If you pray to the Lord thinking that he is far, far away beyond the stars, how can you expect your prayers to reach him? Oh, of course, I once told you that prayer reaches every corner of the universe. That is true, it does, but it takes such a long time to travel through infinite space. If the communication is direct and immediate; he can hear you, listen to your prayer, and answer you immediately.
Distance is important. Suppose you want to scatter and dissolve some clouds. You cannot make them disappear immediately; they are very slow and it all takes time. Well, if it takes so much time when the distance is barely a few hundred yards, just imagine how long it will to reach the Lord (especially if he is asleep and you have to wake him up). But if he is right there inside you, you can simply say, 'Hello, hello'. and you get through to him immediately. Does this strie you as disrespectful? No, I am speaking figuratively. Try to understand what I am saying.

From now on, when you are meditatin, try to cultivate a sense of the Lord's presence within you and you will see how effective this can be. The impression of being abandoned will come to you less and less frequently. At the moment you fluctuate between a few good days during which you are full of joy, inspiration, and ecstasy, followed by days of terrible drought, days in which you feel as though you were dying of thirst in the desert, and it is then that you say, 'God has abandoned me.'

Let me illustrate this: you are here on earth, many millions of miles away from the sun, so far away that mountains of black clouds have slipped between you and the sun and now you are at the mercy of those clouds. You long to receive the light and warmth of the sun but it is impossible; the clouds are in the way. What can you do about it? There is nothing for it but to wait, and while you are waiting you think, 'The sun has abandoned me.' No, the sun has not abandoned you; it is just that you are too far away, below the clouds. But suppose you take an aeroplane or a balloon and fly up above the clouds? Once you are up there nothing can come between you and the sun. It is still there, still shining; it has never abandoned by God i simply means that you have slipped down below the permanent screen of cloud that prevents the sun's rays from reaching you. On the other hand, if you feel full of joy and inspiration, it means that you have risen above the clouds where the sun is always shining and where you can contemplate its light and feel its warmth seeping into you. As you see, the explanation is simple.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[solve_et_coagula]

The True Religion of Christ VI

Now, since this sensation of being abandoned depends on our attitude, what is to prevent us from changin that attitude? Why should we be content to remain on so low a level that every minute of every day this screen cuts us off from the light and prevents the joy and revelations of the sun from reaching us? This is why initiation exists. Initiation helps us to find our 'place in the sun', as the saying goes, a very elevated, very high place, well above the clouds, a place in which we no longer depend on anyone or anything, a place in which we are unassailable, invulnerable, invincible, immortal.

Believe me, you must constantly rise higher, always higher. You must get closer to him; so close that you succeed in finding him within you; so closely, so intimately within you that you are constantly steeped in his presence. Then you will never again be tempted to say, in the words of St Thérèse of Lisieux, 'Lord, why do you play with me as though I were a ball, as an extraneous object in relation to the Lord, then of course you will not escape the feeling of being abandoned. In spite of all their goodness, love and selflessness, not even the greatest saints or prophets have been spared this sensation.

Now, as I very well know, this is something that happens to you too, so let me say a few more words about it. When you feel that you have been cast aside, that you have nothing to hold on to, that all your ties with the Lord are broken and the spring has dried up, then I advise you to have a conversation with the Lord. Tell him, 'Lord, you have cast me off, you have rejected and abandoned me. As you can see, I am in revolt because you have discarded me. What do you want me to do? I am stuck. I have chosen the path of light, and I cannot turn round and go back.

Sometimes I wish I could; sometimes I think I should switch to another path and go and join the unbelievers, but I cannot do it. However badly you treat me I know that this path is the best. So do what you like, but I cannot change. Even if I am wounded, miserable, and ill, I must go on. Even if I am furious and in revolt, I cannot go any other way.

For me there is no other way. However much it hurts, I shall just have to continue.' If you talk to the Lord in this way he will hear you - words of this kind are the only ones he hears - and he will instruct his servants to come and help you. Whenever some poor wretch on earth utters such a prayer the message reaches God's ears immediately. He always has time for messages of this nature. He declares, 'Make a note of this man's name, for he is the most intelligent of creatures. He is disgruntled and unhappy, and yet he refuses to try a different path. We must take care of him.'
Yes, you must talk like that to the Lord. Why have you never prayed like that? You prefer to threaten him instead. You say, 'If you treat me so badly I shall refuse to believe in you any longer. This is the end. I refuse to do anything more for you - not even light a candle.' The Lord is going to be inconsolable. He will be in the dark because there will be one less candle in church.
There is nothing worse than to think or say to the Lord, 'I have had enough.' Believe me, the best remedy is to go and talk to him, to weep and gnash your teeth and tell him how unkind he is and how unhappy you are. Tell him that you had relied on him and now he has let you down. Yes, tell him all that; but when you have had your say do not forget to add, 'The only thing is that there is no other way, I know that. I cannot go back. So whatever happens, I shall continue to believe in you and to serve you.' Speak to God with great familiarity if you like; he will not take offence. But be sure to conclude your prayer in this way, for, I repeat, this is the best, the only solution.

I know, of course, that it is not easy for human beings to conceive of the Lord as being inseparable from themselves, but as long as they continue to think of him as an extraneous being, a being who is absolutely remote and inaccessible, they will continue to be subject to extremely painful states of mind. This means, therefore, that further progress has to be made. Evolution is necessary in every area, even in religion. But in religion - more perhaps than in other areas - people tend to believe that the precepts laid down thousands of years ago must hold good for all eternity. No, this is not so. Everything evolves, everything makes progress. Look at how science evolves. Only religion fails to evolve. Why does science evolve?

Why do scientists continually make new discoveries? Because instead of believing, they doubt, and their doubt seems to drive them on. Whereas faith, a faith that is not alive, makes human beings stagnate. Actually in this case it is no longer faith, it is credulity.

I have often spoken to you about Jnana-yoga, the practice of self-knowledge. The purpose of a disciple who practises Jnana-yoga is to make it possible for his consciousness to break out of the narrow circle of his own personality and attain the limitless consciousness of the cosmic being dwelling within him, of whom he is still not fully aware. This being, this particle of the Godhead, dwells within each one of us, and a disciple's goal is to become one with it. There are two poles therefore: the pole of your self, the consciousness of your own being, of your own lower self; and the pole of your higher, sublime self, that being of whom you have no real awareness, but who lives, works, and manifests through you. You are not yet capable of knowing how this sublime being manifests in the higher sphere, but from where you are down below you can visualize it dwelling within you and know that it seeks to manifest through you. For as it knows itself on high, it wants also to know itself in you, in the density of your physical matter. If you work with your imagination in this way, your efforts will eventually be rewarded, and as you draw closer to your higher self you will experience an illumination so intense that your consciousness will know no bounds. You will be suffused with light and radiance, and you will sense that you have become one with that sublime being, your higher self.

This is very difficult, of course, but it is one of the most powerful and effective exercises that exists. If you persevere with it you will obtain significant results. And once you have created this link with your higher consciousness, it will always be there, whatever your activities, always ready to take part in all you do. This then is the meaning of Jnana-yoga: the realization that 'I am He', that nothing else exists, that the Lord is the only Being. You are simply a reflection, an illusion formed by him, but your desire is to work your way back through this illusion of self until you reach that sublime consciousness and become one with it, lose yourself in it, and live for ever in its fullness. As long as you remain outside God you are depriving yourself of his riches. He cannot let you share in them, because you and he belong to two entirely different being, that God manifests himself within you. This is death in the initiatic sense of the world: you exist no longer as an independent entity face to face with God; God dwells within you. This is what Jesus meant when he said, 'Except you die you shall not live, 'and 'The Father and I are one.'
Of course, it is not given to everyone to reach this level, but all human beings can free themselves form certain limitations if they make the effort. The trouble is that they do not know how to use the means that God has put at their disposal. God has given us the power to become like him. All human beings have this power but, because of what they are at the moment, they are unable to make use of it. Most of them remain on too low a level and have no knowledge, no sense of it. Yet no one is totally bound; even the most limited people have the means to reach beyond their limitations. If only they would raise their eyes and their thoughts to the regions in which God dwells they would discover their innate possibilities. But how many people are willing to try to change anything in themselves? Of course, as I have always said, the reason is very simple: it all depends on what counts most for them. If money or pleasure is so important to them that there is no room in their minds for anything spiritual, how can we expect them to advance? But show me someone who gives precedence to light, love, beauty and the spirit, someone who does not worry about whether he will be rich or poor, whether he will always have enough to eat or not, whether he will dressed or in rags, honoured or ridiculed, and I will tell you that to such a being everything is possible.

It is the importance you attach to things that determines all the rest. I know that the vast majority of human beings are not attached exclusively to material possessions, but their interest in the spiritual life is incidental, no more than an ornament to their lives. Every now and then, when they have a little spare time or when they are bored, they will read a few pages of a good book, go and listen to something vaguely elevating, meditate or pray a little, but what they really consider to be essential are the material things: physical comfort and a peaceful, untroubled life.

This is why they will never bring down the blessings of the divine world on themselves. They will continue to live and take advantage of all the things of earth but they will never be blessed with spiritual riches; they will never feel or experience the riches of the divine world in their lives. Only when they depart for the next world will they realize that they have made absolutely no progress, that they have been wasting their time.

If you sincerely want to evolve you must give first place to the impulse of your spirit, to light. But you cannot do this unless you have the desire, the need for yourselves. You either have it or not when you come into the world; it depends on the kind of life you led in other incarnations.

For those who come into the world with a taste for spirituality, it takes very little - a book or a few spoken words - to light a fire within them and launch them on a path from which nothing can make them deviate. Whereas others can listen to the sermons of every preacher on earth and remain entirely unchanged. The recommendations and advice of all the saints and all the prophets would fall on deaf ears, because their innate tendencies lead them in a different direction. But if you want to come to earth in your next incarnation with the desire to transform youself, you must begin now, immediately, even if you do not feel the need to do so, because the efforts you make today lay the groundwork for your next incarnation. Next time you come to earth you will already have a taste for this work because you will have sown the seeds in a previous incarnation. Now you can see how useful the work we do in the Brotherhood is. It is perfectly true that some temperaments have absolutely no use for spirituality. And yet all those who unwittingly infected with germs that will manifest themselves at some future date.

But let us get back to the exercise of identification that I was speaking about earlier. You will see, if you do it, that it is extremely effective. However I must warn you that it can also be dangerous, because you can begin to believe that you are already God and allow pride to take over, and pride always leads to disaster. Even if you attain divine superconsciousness you must still be humble; in fact you must become even more humble and upretentious, and be even more careful not to offend others or use your superiority as a weapon against them. There are people who, having learned the formula, 'I am He,' start quarrelling with their family and friends and become absolutely intolerable. Their lives are one long series of conflicts and disputes because tehy want the whole world to acknowledge them as divinities. But if you want to become more and more like God you must have more and more love and generosity. Because God is love. If you have to massacre and ride roughshod over others in order to prove that you are a divinty, it shows that you have not understood the first thing about it.

I warn you, therefore, that from a psychological point of view this exercise of identification can be dangerous. You must be very vigilant, and in order to avoid any possibility of pride rearing its head, you must begin by recognizing that you are not unique, that other people are also part of God. Yes, if you want to practise this exercise as perfectly as possible you must begin by thinking and feeling that not only the Lord but all human beings are also within you, that they are you. This whole collectivity, the whole of mankind is you; it lives in you and you in it. You are apart and separate from others only in appearance. In this way, instead of opposing and tormenting others, you will sense their needs, their cares, and their sufferings and be obliged to help them. This is how you can truly become a divinity and not a monster for whom others are vermin to be crushed underfoot. Remember that if you fail to take appropriate precautions, methods such as this can be detrimental to you. And then of course it will be my fault once again.

Always remember that all the creatures that you see around you are really part of you. Yes, when you tread the path of true initiatic philosophy you begin to realize that all creatures are one. In reality there is only one being: the Creator. All creatures are simply the cells of his immense body, cells that are one in everything but their consciousness. Imagine what it would be like if every cell in your body had an individual consciousness. Naturally, the cells of the feet, the liver, the spleen, and so on would feel different and apart from each other because their functions are different (the heart has one function, the liver another, and so on), and they would either collaborate or conflict with each other.

Yes, but if they reached a higher degree of consciousness they would realize that they are all an integral part of one person, of one being who embraces and nourishes them all.
Well, we must follow the same reasoning. We must remind ourselves that all the individuals on earth - be they Japanese, Chinese, Turkish, Russian, French, or German - are the cells of a single collective being. If their attitude and behaviour do not seem to conform to this reality it is because their consciousness has sunk so low that they are not capable of seeing themselves as the cells of a whole. But once one becomes conscious of being a single cell and feels oneself bound to all the other cells that go to make up the supreme being - God himself - once sees that the whole of humanity is one single being. Once you reach this point you will feel so much love, pity and consideration for others that you will really and truly fulfil the formula, 'I am That.' As long as human beings have not reached this degree of consciousness they will always want to annihilate others; there can be no real change, only a constant inflation of their personality.

I assure you, true change will only come about through this consciousness of unity. We do not exist as seperate individuals; each one of us is a cell in an immense organism, and our consciousness must melt into the universal consciousness that embraces the totality of man, cosmic man, This alone represents true progress, true evolution.

Tangible proof of this bond between individuals can be seen in the fact that, however ignorant and illiterate mediums may be, when they are in a state of trance they can feel within themselves the suffering of the person beside them. And initiates, whose sensitivity is even more highly developed than that of mediums, can also feel the physical and psychic state of others. If they do not usually show it, it is because they have achieved true mastery and to do so would hinder their work. If they were in a continental state of pain or anxiety, how could they help others? It is precisely because they have gone beyond this stage that they are masters and are capable of helping others. I have often experienced this myself: I suddenly feel a pain in one part of my body, and knowing that it comes from someone else. I concentrate on helping that person. Then a few days later I hear from someone who tells me that they had had a terrible pain in that same part of their body, so then they thought of me and now they feel well again. Yes, but it was I who had to bear that pain. It is true that I am capable of overcoming it, but it still involves a great deal of work. This is why it is said that Jesus bore the sufferings of mankind - I can well believe it.

Some people might think that in these conditions it would be better not to be a master or an initiate. Yes, but then they would be deprived of all the rest, too. The suffering that you bear for other people is only temporary, after all; and it is so wonderful to be useful. An initiate is happy to be able to help others and alleviate their suffering. At other moments he feels inspired and elevated because he is in constant communion with a very different order of creatures, creatures that dwell in a permanent state of happiness and bliss. There are so many creatures, both visible and invisible, who live in peace and joy, and you too can experience this marvellous state. So there is nothing to worry about.

Yes, life on earth is an illusion, a dream; reality is something quite different. What is the point of losing eternal life for the sake of an illusion that will soon disappear without a trace? True, you have to eat, clothe yourself, ahve a roof over your head, and so on, but the intelligent way to behave is to do no more than necessary in this area and leave yourself free to acquire the riches that will be yours for all eternity. Otherwise everything will be taken from you, and you will end by being naked and destitute. Even the books you have read and the knowledge you acquired at the university will be taken away and wiped from your mind. Next time you come to earth you will have to begin to read and study all over again, because the wealth you possess today is not really yours; it has been given to you by others. If something does not rightfully belong to you, you are going to have to give it back.

You will be allowed to keep and bring back with you in your next incarnation only the gifts and qualities that you have explored, experienced, and absorbed for yourself. All talents, all gifts of genius can be explained in this way. A philosopher or musician of genius is someone who comes into the world with knowledge acquired through porfound personal experience in a previous incarnation.

Each human being is in this world in order to proclaim the glory of God and help others. But instead of doing this, the great majority bury themselves away and become like brute beasts, because they are always afraid of what the neighbours or their family might think. Of course if everyone is always ruled by fear, nothing new will ever happen in the world. Where will you find anybody who says, 'That is not important; I have everything I need within myself. My inner life is os intense and rich that I need nothing else'?

Are you beginning to understand me? Perhaps you think that those who are not very rich or comfortable in life will certainly understand me. Not a bit of it. On the contrary, they are in a continual state of fury at not being rich or as socially prominent as others; they think of nothing else day and night. Their thoughts are so occupied by envy of others that they fail to take advantage of the good situation in which heaven has placed them, they consider it an injustice. Do you really believe that the poor see the tremendous advantages of their poverty and know how to use it as a stepping stone to perfection? No, they are constantly in revolt against it. Why? Because they want to be like the rich. Outwardly they profess to be scandalized by wealth, but deep in their hearts they long for it with their might. If the rich had a better understanding of their own situation, they would be distressed to be rich and would distribute all their wealth to the poor. And the poor would refuse that wealth, saying, 'No, no we do not want any of it. We are very well off as we are.' If the rich were enlightened, they would be anxious to rid themselves of their wealth, and the poor would want no more than they have.

Is this not the most monstrous, incredible nonsense you have ever heard? Yes, and yet it is absolutely true. The only salvation for the rich is to go to the poor and beg them to take their wealth. And the poor should refuse categorically. Of course, you will say that I am turning everything upside down. Yes, because this is the only way to set everything straight.

One day when I was talking to you about the sun. I described an exercise that you could do when you are up on the Rock for the sunrise (The Rock is a platform at the top of a hill near the Bonfin where Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov gathered with his disciples every morning in spring and summer to meditate and watch the sunrise). It is very similar to the one I gave you a few moments ago: you can try to picture your higher self up there in the sun, and imagine that it is looking down at your puny, imperfect little self sitting here meditating. In this way you create a current between your higher and your lower selves, and this current is the beginning of a new life. Of course you may not feel the effect at once, because it takes time for the current to become stronger and more intense, but before long you will have no more doubts, for you will sense that something extraordinary is beginning to take place within you, bringing you a sense of absolute certainty. There is nothing more marvellous than this certainty. It is only when you are certain of what you say, of what you have experienced, that you can be strong and powerful, capable of convincing others. As long as you are not quite sure of things you will never convince others, because they will always sense your hesitancy. Of course, you cannot know certainty until you have experienced certain manifestations. Certainty cannot be manufactured. Those who possess it possess unequalled powers of persuasion.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[solve_et_coagula]

The True Religion of Christ VII

You have all seen the two triangles in the lecture hall at the Bonfin; the red one with the apex pointing up and the blue one pointing down. I have often talked to you about the symbolism of these two triangles, but today I want to speak about them again, for I want you to understand the extraordinary depth and wealth of meaning in them.

As I have already told you, these two triangles symbolize the masculine and feminine principles, spirit and matter. For this is what the universe is: spirit and matter, the work of spirit and matter. Or - for the sake of materialists who do not like us to talk about the spirit - energy and matter. For the spirit is energy. The only trouble is that by speaking of 'energy' rather than 'spirit' we are failing to attribute to energy all the other properties of the spirit: intelligence, consciousness and love. Energy is a force that is blind and without consciousness. But however you look at it, no one can deny that the universe is held together by these two realities; spirit and matter, energy and matter, the masculine and feminine principles.
Science has focused principally on the evolutionary process that has led forms and species to become progressively more highly organized, subtler and more intelligent. In other words it has restricted itself to a study of the red triangle which points upwards. And as scientists are not instructed in initiatic science they have failed to see that the evolutionary movement was preseded by a movement of involution. They have not seen this because involution takes place in the subtle world, but it is this gap in their knowledge that falsifies their whole philosophy. Initiatic science teaches that every evolution is preceded by an involution, the involution of spirit descending into matter.

Once the spirit has reached a certain degree of materialization, it endeavours to return to its source, and this is evolution: the return journey, the striving for perfection, the ascent through the denser layers of matter toward the highest point of development. And evolution cannot occur without the participation of the spirit. Only the spirit can raise matter, forms and creatures to perfection, because only the spirit possesses life, consciousness and intelligence. It is important to understand, therefore, that there can be no evolution without involution. Nothing can take place here on earth unless something has first descended from above. To imagine that forms have been capable of evolving, while denying that this evolution had to be preceded by the involution of a divine form, a descent of the spirit, is to reveal an abysmal ignorance. So there you have it, the two triangles represent involution and evolution.

The triangle pointing downwards represents the spirit that descends into matter in order to animate and breathe life into it, and the triangle pointing upwards represents matter as it evolves toward reunion with the spirit. When these two triangles are combined they form the Seal of Solomon.
Esoteric books have much to say about the Seal of Solomon, but very few show any real understanding of the profundity and the magical power of this symbol that comes from the meeting and interpenetration of the two triangles, the two principles. An initiate in whom the two principles are united is called an androgyne. Whereas most human beings, those who represent only one of the two triangles - that of man or of woman - are maimed, mutilated beings, and this is why they continually seek their missing half, the other triangle, so as to form the Seal of Solomon. All human beings have only one desire, to be a Seal of Solomon. This is why men and women need each other. Men need woman and women need men, because they have this unconscious desire to become Seals of Solomon.

These two triangles exist in many different forms. In the temples of India, for instance, we frequently see a symbol that is known as the Lingam, consisting of a horizontal base (representing the masculine principle) surmounted by a vertical element (representing the masculine principle).

When I was in India I talked to many priests and gurus, and I would often tell them that they did not understand the meaning of this symbol. 'How can you say we do not understand it?' they would protest, 'It is an integral part of our tradition.' 'That is true, but I still say that you do not understand it. If you did you would not have married. The feminine principle should be within you, but as it is not, you have to find it elsewhere.' Of course, they were not exactly overjoyed to hear this, particularly as it came from such an unexpected quarter, from a Westerner who was a Christian into the bargain. If a man, who represents the masculine qualities of energy, strength and will-power, also possesses the feminine qualities of delicacy, tenderness, purity and love, he is a complete being and has no need of a wife. Equally, if a woman possesses both the feminine and the masculine qualities, she does not need to look for a husband. As long as you are still looking for a husband or wife, it means that you do not yet possess these two tendencies that alone can bring you fulfilment.

You will say, 'But men have always looked for wives, and women for husbands.' I know, and that simply proves that human beings have always been dominated by separateness, weakness and divisiveness. The philosophy of the initiates is perhaps difficult to accept, but it is the truth. The things I say in my talks to you are not intended to please the masses. If I were obliged to say only what would please human beings, I should have to accept all their weaknesses and vices; they would even expect me to encourage them in those vices. Ordinary people might do this, but a master, whose only desire is to lead his disciples towards perfection, is obliged to tell people the truth, even it it is not pleasant to hear.

And now let us look at what these two triangles mean in the spiritual life. In the past, religions such as Buddhism and even Christianity urged human beings to detach themselves from the physical world and seek to approach God and become one with him. The earth was nothing but a 'vale of tears' and life an illusion from which man was advised to detach himself as quickly as possible so as to return to heaven or nirvana. Each individual was encouraged to think only about saving his own soul so as to enjoy the splendours of heaven. Now I am not saying that this point of view is bad, but it is imperfect. It is a point of view that has enabled men to discover a great deal about the inner life, but is is no longer appropriate to our times.

To adopt the philosophy of the feminine triangle is to reject matter and all the activities and duties attached to it, and this leads to certain anomalies. Today we must work with the triangle of the spirit, which is the triangle of realization, of manifestation in the world, in our physical bodies, in matter. We must no longer concentrate on elevating ourselves above the world; on the contrary, we need to descend. I am sure that there will be a few 'mystics' who will object in horror: 'But that is terrible. That is the way of perdition. Religion has never taught us to descend; on the contrary, we must elevate ourselves and rise above the world.' Well, have it your own way, but such an attitude will never bring about the kingdom of God and His Righteousness on earth. The few who seek to save their own wouls will simply leave the rest of mankind sunk in disorder and misery, because this philosophy of flight is incapable of transforming the world. We need another philosophy today, the new philosophy that is coming with the Aquarian age. This new philosophy is water from above, a fountain of life flowing from the heavenly regions, and it will transform the earth and cause the seeds of the kingdom of God to germinate with new life. Heaven, of course, is a perfect world, a world of blessings and splendour in which we may find freedom and happiness, but if everyone abandons the earth for heaven, the earth will continue to be a wilderness.

In the Lord's Prayer Jesus said, 'Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, 'but men have never understood that Jesus wanted to transform, perfect and embellish the earth so that it would resemble heaven. Everybody flees the world, because flight suits those timid souls that are so anxious to save themselves. But today, instead of trying to save our souls, we must throw ourselves wholeheartedly into the glorious work of bringing heaven down to earth. You will protest, 'But how could we ever do that? It is quite impossible. 'Not at all, the triangle of the spirit shows us how to do it. A disciple must still seek heaven, that is true, but once he has found it he must bring down to earth all the light of heaven, and introduce them into his own physical body, into his brain, his lungs, his stomach, his whole being.

In this way, after years of striving, he brings spirit and matter together again within himself and attains the fullness of perfection symbolized by the Seal of Solomon.

Many extreme tendencies are surfacing in the world today. There are countries that are technically, economically and socially advanced; they have done everything possible to improve their material conditions, but they have done away with religion. And then there are others such as India (altough, even in India, things have changed to a certain extent) that have such a strong spiritual tradition that the material dimension is almost totally neglected, and millions and millions of their people live in filth, poverty and disease. Naturally, I cannot say that either solution by itself is the right one; both are necessary. We must always be linked to heaven, but we must also work on earth.

This then is what the new religion teaches: we must work to bring something of the divine into the world. You will protest, 'But what about heaven? We want to work for heaven.' Yes, but heaven does not need you; it already has everything. What could you possibly add to all the wealth that heaven possesses? It is here on earth that you are needed, and this means that you must revise your tactics. I am not saying that you should turn your backs on heaven. On the contrary, you must continue to maintain close ties with heaven so as to be in a position to give to others. For after all, if you cut yourself off from heaven you will never be rich and never have anything to give to others.

Remember the advice I have already given you in this respect. Just as in some of the poorer countries the fathers of families have to go and look for work abroad, so you too must go 'abroad' to earn the money you need to feed your family. I am speaking symbolically of course. By 'abroad' I mean heaven, for it is to heaven that you must go every day through prayer, meditation and contemplation. This is what I do: every day I leave you and go abroad to look for gold so that I can bring it back and give it to you. Why do you have to stay glued to your family and friends all the time? Because you love them? No, you do not love them, or rather you love them in the wrong way. You allow them to starve to death because you are incapable of giving their hearts and souls the food they need. And that is not a proof of love.

Let me illustrate what I am saying. Suppose you have a wonderful idea; you feel that it is really good, and the thought of it makes you happy. This means that your idea has moved down from your intellect and reached the level of your feelings. Yes, but it is still incomplete; it is only when you express it in words and actions that the normal process will be complete. Are painters, musicians, or poets content to keep their creations in their heads? No, they give them concrete expression. Then why should we be content to leave spiritual things on the level of thought or feeling? Why should we not give them concrete expression also? Yes, spirirtual and religious ideas must also be implimented. The religion of many people never gets any further than their hearts or minds, and their behaviour contradicts everything they think and believe. This is all wrong, and it means that they do not understand the point of view of cosmic intelligence. First we think of something, then we wish for it to happen, and finally we have to work to implement it.

When a boy falls in love with a girl, what does he do? It is not long before he tries to kiss her. Why is he not satisfied to keep his relationship on the level of thought and feeling? Ah, in this arean men and women behave just as cosmic intelligence planned that they should. But we must remember that the things of the spirit also have to be given concrete expression in our actions, our attitude, and our work. Otherwise they are as worthless as a letter or an official document without a signature. The signature represents the concrete expression, the realization. Or take another example: a general prepares a brilliant plan of attack that he is sure will bring him victory, and he has set his heart on that victory. But what use will his battle plan be if he never gives the order to attack? The 'signature' that validates his plan is the order to attack, which implements it on the physical plane.

Some of you will probably think that I am contradicting myself. You will say, 'You are always criticizing materialists for being concerned only about their worldly interests. You say that they are working for the benefit of thieves, because they will not be allowed to take any of their acquired wealth with them. They will arrive in the next world naked and destitute, and no one will welcome them.' But there is no contradiction here, for it is one thing to care about nothing but money and possessions, and quite another to strive to manifest heaven, goodness, and light on the physical plane. When what you achieve here on earth is true, luminous and divine, you will be allowed to take it with you, and in this way you create your own future. But if you are content to think and wish and never actually achieve anything, you will be naked when you leave this world because you will not have left your signature on anything.

Yes, I am bringing you a new philosophy, a new way of behaving, a new way of thinking, acting and manifesting. This new way is very different from all that other poeple have taught about religion, but I cannot help that. I have been given the task of bringing you these new notions. The old notions were valid for the individual but useless for the collectivity. The time has come to stop working only for our own individual salvation. Today we must work for the whole world, for the whole of mankind, and the only way we can do so is by putting this new philosophy into effect and rising mentally to heaven so as to bring the light, love, peace and eternity of heaven down to physical plane. This process of bringing heaven down to earth has to begin with our own physical bodies; the life of heaven must impregnate and radiate from our physical bodies. When human beings achieve this, the kingdom of God will truly come about, and each individual will be a light, a sun, a living spring. The great thing is to accept the teaching of the triangle that points downwards, the triangle of the spirit, and no longer cling exclusively to the philosophy of the triangle of matter.

The tendency of matter is to ascend; that of the spirit to descend. This same pattern is reproduced by a man and woman who unite in the act of love: the man faces down and the woman up. In this, human beings are simply behaving in conformity with principles established from all eternity by cosmic intelligence, according to which matter - which needs to be spiritualized - and the spirit - which needs to be materialized - meet and are joined in space. And it is in this union that the spirit fertilizes matter. As you see, there is symbolism, eloquence and philosophy in every human action, but human beings themselves see and understand none of it. Our task is to bring the spirit down to earth. This is why you must use your meditations and prayers to beg for this light and visualize it, visualize this spirit, this divine force, descending into you and impregnating every cell of your being. One day, when you have worked at this for years and years, you will sense that heaven is within you, that light is within you, that love is within you. When this day comes you will find that it is much easier to help other people and awaken them to this reality. But if, through a false understanding of spirituality, you remain barren - a blank page - you will be no good to anyone. The spirit must be allowed to descend.

It is when the spirit descends into matter that the child - that is to say, the kingdom of God and all the beauty of God - will be born in the world. This is the new dawn, the new work that is before us: to bring all the splendour, all the blessings, all the light and peace of heaven down to earth - down, first and foremost, to our own earth, our own physical bodies, and then to the whole world, to all human beings. We must tread a new path, for it is sheer selfishness to want to flee the earth on the pretext of spirituality or religion. Blessed are those who are capable of understanding me.

If anything is sacred to me, it is what I have been saying today. I must admit that I hesitated before deciding to talk about it, for it is too sacred. In talking about it I feel as though I were tearing something from my heart in order to give it to you. I finally decided to do so in the hope that you would understand and make up your minds to follow this path.

There, I hope that this is quite clear now: instead of losing yourselves in nirvana, instead of wishing to eat and drink and rejoice forever in the company of the elect, think that you are bringing heaven down to earth. that its light shines through you to the world, that you are a light in the world. What glorious work lies ahead of you.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[octopusrex]

Can you explain all this in a few lines so I can understand it? I have ADD.

[solve_et_coagula]

The true Religion of Christ VIII

Involution is the sacrifice of the spirit that makes it possible for matter to evolve and enrich itself. The twin processes of evolution and involution are at work throughout creation, but as human beings are not particularly inclined to consider the philosophical aspect of things, they never see the laws and priniciples that account for every phenomenon or event in life.

Nothing can exist unless something first sacrifices itself in order to make that existence possible. Thus evolution can exist only if it is preceded by involution. If human beings are to pursue their upward path they must know this. Everything falls apart if life is not based on an awareness of sacrifice, selflessness and love. Take the example of a family: the parents spend all their energy and make innumerable sacrifices so that their children may grow and develop. In fact, one sees parents who have become weak and shrunken, while their children, who are strong and vigorous, do not always realize that they have developed at the expense of their parents.

Spiritual masters, and even professors and schoolteachers represent the triangle of the spririt. When they instruct their disciples or students they are 'involving'; whereas those who listen and learn from them are 'evolving'. Here too we see the manifestation of the two triangles. But this situation cannot last for ever, either for the teacher or for the students. Eventually students and disciples have to pass on what they have learned to others. Similarly, a child cannot remain a child for ever; one day he is going to have to work, marry and have children of his own to feed and educate.
The symbolism of the two triangles can be seen in every activity of our daily lives. You pour yourself a glass of water, and the water in the glass increases while that in the bottle decreases. Then you drink, and the glass is emptied but your stomach is filled. Every time you eat or drink, the food you eat and the liquid you drink represent the triangle of the spirit, which sacrifices itself in order to make you stronger. You go into a shop to buy something, but if you have nothing to offer in exchange for what you need, no one will give you anything. Your purse has to 'involve' so that the goods you need may 'evolve' in your direction. All the actions of our daily lives should help us to understand that the same processes exist on a cosmic scale, and without the initial involution of the spirit there can be no evolution of matter.

As you can see, the symbolism of the two triangles is truly immense; it embraces and sums up the whole of the science of life. Take, for example, the way in which cosmic intelligence has designed the solar plexus and the brain. The materials of these two organs are identical - grey matter and white matter - but their relative position is reversed. The grey matter of the brain is on the outside and the white matter inside; whereas the grey matter of the solar plexus is inside and the white matter on the outside. And this opposition is reflected in the way in which the two organs manifest themselves: the solar plexus is hidden and its action invisible, whereas the brain talks, pontificates, pronounces anathema. But the brain could not manifest with such brilliance, could not reason, explain, or give orders - it could not function at all, in fact - if there were not something that spent and sacrificed itself in order to subsidize it and supply it with the energies it needs. And that something is the solar plexus. The solar plexus nourishes and sustains the brain, because its role is to give. The solar plexus corresponds to the triangle of involution therefore, and the brain, which receives, corresponds to the triangle of evolution. The role of the solar plexus is to sacrifice itself in order to ensure the proper functioning of the brain, and not only of the brain, but of all the other organs as well. This means that the role of the solar plexus is more spiritual than that of the brain, and, knowing this, we should do all we can to ensure that it has the conditions it needs to work and fulfil its mission.

The essential thing to remember is that man cannot lock himself into a one-sided attitude. Once the cup is full it has to be emptied again. This is true in the life of every single individual, for we all begin life as children, who only know how to take, before becoming adults and learning to give. It is also true in the life of humanity as a whole. For a very long time humanity has been in the selfish state of childhood, in which it has thought only of taking everything for itself, and the result has been war and devastation. It is time now for humanity to learn to give. This is why I say that the religions that urge men to concentrate on saving their souls and seeking eternal bliss for themselves are no longer vaild. It is time to give something to the earth, to make the earth beautiful so that it may vibrate in harmony with heaven.

In the past, individuals were concerned only about their own development. This was perfectly normal, in fact it was a necessary phase of human evolution and as such was planned by cosmic intelligence. Just as a child has to begin by growing and becoming strong, humanity - which was still a child - had to grow and build up its strenght, and it was helped in this by its 'elder brothers', those highly evolved souls and spirits who incarnated in order to help it. And now mankind has reached adulthood. Ah, but I can see that you are wondering what I mean when I say that mankind has become adult. Well, think of how children develop: to begin with it is their physical life that manifests itself and grows strong as they eat and drink and exercise their limbs. Then, little by little, the spirit begins to descend into them, awakening first their astral body and then their mental body, and by the time they are twenty-one we can say that all their essential faculties are developed. Emotionally and intellectually they possess all the tools they need and can begin to use them to their fullest extent.

The process by which the spirit gradually descends to the physical plane has also taken place in mankind as a whole. This is why we can say that mankind has now reached adulthood. If modern man possesses such extraordinary powers in the realms of thought and feeling, it is because the spirit has taken possession of his astral and mental bodies, and in so doing it has penetrated so deeply into matter that it is almost buried. Thanks to the spirit, human beings have become more and more capable of handling matter, but at the same time they have lost touch with the subtle worlds. In the remote past, when the spirit had not penetrated their physical body to any great extent, human beings were in closer touch with the spirits, the entities of the invisible world, the souls of the dead. Of course, these human beings were not very clever when it came to handling matter, and if they now have such great skill on that level it is because they have gradually cut themselves off from all the other forms of life that inhabit the universe - so much so, in fact, that, because these forms of life are invisible, they no longer believe in their existence.

What is needed now is a return to the spiritual world. It was necessary for mankind to attain its present intellectual development, but to continue in the same direction without a simultaneous development of its spiritual faculties would spell its ultimate destruction. In fact this has already occured more than once. The annals of spiritual science - which will soon be discovered - contain records of several human races that have disappeared from the face of the earth.

We might wonder why the spririt, having penetrated so deeply into matter, has not succeeded in rendering it nobler and subtler. The truth is that the spirit cannot manifest itself on the lower planes, in the opaque density of matter, with the same omnipotence and omniscience that characterize its manifestations on the higher planes. The more deeply it penetrates matter the more it is restricted and prevented from manifesting its true qualities.
In reality the descent of the spirit into matter has been going on for millions of years, and although it has not yet achieved the true spiritualization of matter, it has already brought about a tremendous flowering of human intellectual and emotional faculties. Yes, matter has reached the stage of intellectual development, but that is not enough.

This is why the time is now ripe for the cosmic spirit - not just the spirit of each individual being - to descend into humanity and spiritualize it. Until now it has been the task of the individual spirit to descend and make its dwelling in each individual physical body, and in the struggle to animate and refine the matter of that body, it has lost many of its qualities. But now there is to be a collective, cosmic descent of the divine spirit, which is coming to vivify and resusciate all creatures.
People are always astonished at the extent to which the all-powerful spirit can be subjugated and paralysed by matter. Yes, the spirit is all-powerful in the world above, but it is not all-powerful in the world below unless it is set free. It is exactly the same as atomic energy: as long as that energy is imprisoned in matter it is powerless, but liberate it and you will see what it is capable of. The spirit can be virtually paralysed by matter, but once it is set free it shows itself to be so powerful that it can pulverize the matter that held it prisoner.

An now, my dear brothers and sisters, make up your minds to become triangles of the spirit and to do something for others instead of being content to be miserable little non-entities who want the whole world to revolve around themselves. Those who think of nobody but themselves retard their own development, but those who work for others become stronger in themselves. When you are always trying to help and encourage others it may seem as though you lose something )and it is quite possible, in fact, that your physical strenght will diminish), but you will become spiritually stronger and more powerful. Of course, as this spiritual strengthening is not visible, everybody thinks that the spirit, like the physical body, declines with age, whereas the truth is exactly the reverse. The trouble is that human beings get everything mixed up and identify with their physical bodies. The physical body works, uses up its energies, and becomes weaker with age, that is true, but the spirit becomes stronger. One triangle diminishes while the other increases. That is life. The French saying, 'You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs,' is very apt.

In point of fact, this is not always true. I have my own formula, which says, 'Your guests have eaten their fill but your cake is still whole.' Yes, but there is a secret here that only the great masters have discovered, and it is this: when they help and enlighten human beings, they spend a great deal of energy, but at the same time the divine world gives them far more strength and energy than they give to others. It is when you give to others that you receive, that you are filled to the brim. So there you have the two triangles: you give below and you receive from above. When you are the triangle of the spirit in relation to human beings you give, and in this way you become the triangle of matter in relation to heaven. You give and receive, give and receive. If you have never learned to do this you will soon be drained and empty and begin to regret having worked for others. You have to learn, therefore, to be the triangle that gives to the earth and at the same time the triangle that receives from heaven. In other words you must be emissive in relation to the world below and receptive to the world above.

It was in this sense that I once explained Jesus' words: 'Unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.' For two thousand years Christians have failed to understand what it means to be 'like children'. The weakness and frailty of children arouse a protective instinct in adults. A child who has someone to look after it has nothing to worry about; it is the adults, the parents, who do all the worrying. Jesus was telling us that we must be as children in relation to those who are more advanced and who are able, therefore, to take care of us, to guide and instruct and protect us. Just because you have come of age it does not mean - as so many people think - that you can sever your ties with all those more advanced beings and never obey anyone again. It is precisely when you do this that trouble really beings to rain down on you. No, the only way to enter the kingdom of God, to enter that realm of joy, happiness and hope, is to be as children in relation to those who are more advanced. Even if we are obliged to become adults here on earth, we must still be as children in relation to our parents in the higher world.

Why are human beings incapable of discovering these great truths for themselves? Because they are not free. Yes, for there is a connection between freedom and knowledge. It is true that people are always ready to fight for freedom, to fight for the liberty to behave according to their own tastes and desires (which means, often enough, the liberty to commit every conceivable folly). But the freedom they seek is not the freedom that would give them the power to see, explore, and understand the divine world. On the contrary, they get involved in all kinds of activities which blindfold and shackle them. If you walk through a beautiful garden while you are totally absorbed in your own worry or distress, you will not see the beauty surrounding you. But it never occurs to human beings that when they themselves to banal, mundane occupations they become incapable of seeing and rejoicing in the splendour of the universe and the creatures that inhabit it. It is only when you are free that you can begin to see reality. Until then, a great many things can happen, even within yourself, without your being aware of them, simply because you are otherwise engaged.

What extraordinary things you will start to discover once you have succeeded in freeing yourselves! You will acquire the ability to read what is written, first within yourselves and then in others, thus gradually attaining true clairvoyance. All the wonders of heaven and earth are there, around you and in you, but you have to be free in order to see them. For an initiate this is the only true freedom. The very least you can do while you are here is to begin to acquire a taste for these truths, and when you do so you will see that everything becomes so much lighter and easier. Do you think that I waste my time and energy in useless activities? No, if this question were not of vital importance I should never have talked to you about it. Why should I be too to know as well as anyone what is important and what is not?

All around us in the world today, in every aspect of life, are the manifestations of the triangle of matter, the triangle that does nothing but take - even in the intellectual sphere. This is why so many ideas stagnate in people's minds without ever being expressed in their actions, gestures, or general behaviour. But in the teaching of the Great Universal White Brotherhood we learn to put the most sublime ideas into effect, to bring them down into the material dimension. All that we learn, all that we receive, all that we have understood must be expressed and implemented in our actions. This is perfection. This is how the kingdom of God and His Righteousness will be established on earth.

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[optimus pigpot]

No hell... No worries!!!!

Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here Icke continues speak more, to back up his claims..

Superb... I'll just carry on living my good life and not worry then!!!

Great stuff Mr. Icke, I'm glad you'e shown me that Jesus never existed....

[oiram]

No hell... No worries!!!!
Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here Icke continues speak more, to back up his claims..
Superb... I'll just carry on living my good life and not worry then!!!
Great stuff Mr. Icke, I'm glad you'e shown me that Jesus never existed....
Don’t fight it!
I think you promoting your self to become a member of Skull and Bones!
I would say you have a really go chance to get a free member ship!

Skull and Bones membership & condition!:D:D:D
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Skull and Bones is real!
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Have a Happy Christmas or does it not existed for you!

[zero1]

No hell... No worries!!!!

Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here Icke continues speak more, to back up his claims..

Superb... I'll just carry on living my good life and not worry then!!!

Great stuff Mr. Icke, I'm glad you'e shown me that Jesus never existed....

Icke is wrong about the Jesus in two ways: one, he is not representative of God because he never claimed to be one, and two: a man DID exist upon whom the quasi-mythical Godman "Jesus" was based.

You, Optimus Pigpot, are just using Icke to justify your atheistic ignorance of spiritual matters, or any other matters in fact.

Why don't you try thinking for yourself, instead of seeking people and sources to back up your false preconceptions about religion and reality?

[optimus pigpot]

Icke is wrong about the Jesus in two ways: one, he is not representative of God because he never claimed to be one, and two: a man DID exist upon whom the quasi-mythical Godman "Jesus" was based.

You, Optimus Pigpot, are just using Icke to justify your atheistic ignorance of spiritual matters, or any other matters in fact.

Why don't you try thinking for yourself, instead of seeking people and sources to back up your false preconceptions about religion and reality?

What the fuck are you on about. I have tons of information which I have readily gorged upon so as to best wankers like you....

Point one and point two as you raised above shall be dealt with by one answer... Icke has shown there was no Jesus ever. Sorry if you don't like it but I'll post it again because you obviously don't have the book.

Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here Icke continues to speak more, to back up his claims..

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about....

So prove yourself now...

Question 1.. I want from you hard, provable 100% accurate answers as to Jesus' existence. No airy fairy bullshit.. Proper irrefutable fact.

Question 2.. I want from you hard irrefutable evidence that your airy fairy personalised God exists. Prove Him or Her to me NOW!!! And I will shut the FUCK UP and not bother you!!!

But, here's the kicker if you can't do both and I'm not holding out much hope for you YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

Deal or No Deal??????

Place your faith now, all bets are on!!!!!!

Optimus pigpot versus Hero to Zero and Snoopswaffleonagain!!!

Who will win!!!!!!

Show me Jesus and show me Yahweh and I'll show you my arse!!!!

[blue]

Creating a new universal religion I fully agree! The same if we would have one type of money in the whole world! How many problems would automatically disappear!


proof....this guy is promoting the NWO and his christian belief here.

[optimus pigpot]

proof....this guy is promoting the NWO and his christian belief here.

This oiram is a complete shit head...... Complete toss pot or a cunning disinformation freak...

Needs dealing with though blue. What do you think?

Op

[blue]

This oiram is a complete shit head...... Complete toss pot or a cunning disinformation freak...

Needs dealing with though blue. What do you think?

Op
me thinks the same. no NWO or religious promotional campaigns here

[optimus pigpot]

Needs a word of sanity....

[oiram]

This oiram is a complete shit head...... Complete toss pot or a cunning disinformation freak...
Needs dealing with though blue. What do you think?
Op
optimus pigpot http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gif I like your new Avatar much more! :D

Let's hope I am wrong and you are right!

Taken me a wail to find this but I love the part in red!
• What will happen to the wicked or unconverted people when Jesus comes again?
"But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." - Isa. 11:4.
"And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. :D" - Jer. 25:33.

Don’t blame me, I did not make up these paragraphs but some one must have written them and if the world would only be full of wicked people then who would have made a paragraphs against him self?

[blue]

i am really confused here. oiram has his avatar of the pyramid and the eye. he says he lives in a muslim country. he criticizes the muslims and their prophets. he does believe in the nwo and one world religion. he still has some hope left that jesus will be back phewwwww.

as for jesus....pls dont come back jesus....else they're gonna crucify you again.

[optimus pigpot]

i am really confused here. oiram has his avatar of the pyramid and the eye. he says he lives in a muslim country. he criticizes the muslims and their prophets. he does believe in the nwo and one world religion. he still has some hope left that jesus will be back phewwwww.

as for jesus....pls dont come back jesus....else they're gonna crucify you again.

No less....

[phildee3]

Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here Icke continues speak more, to back up his claims..

Superb... I'll just carry on living my good life and not worry then!!!

Great stuff Mr. Icke, I'm glad you'e shown me that Jesus never existed....

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You have made a classic fallacy.

I'm surprised that someone with your extensive studies and vast superior knowledge hasn't come across this very well known one.

[optimus pigpot]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You have made a classic fallacy.

I'm surprised that someone with your extensive studies and vast superior knowledge hasn't come across this very well known one.

It is not for me to prove, phildee3, that there is not a God, it is for the worshipper to prove there is!!

I can knock them down all day and please believe me I have no fun in doing this at all as I'd rather know one way or the other. But here's the thing, no-one has PROVED this...

Bytheway, many thanks for your wise words in recognition of my vast and superior intellect. ontheroad also shares the same superpowers..

A gift which is hard to master but once done..... The results are huge...

Honk, honk.......

Massage ends......

[phildee3]

Q. What's the best way to get someone to listen?

A...


whisper

[phildee3]

It is not for me to prove, phildee3, that there is not a God, it is for the worshipper to prove there is!!

Why?
I can't prove that you exist either.
That doesn't stop me from talking to you.

[optimus pigpot]

Q. What's the best way to get someone to listen?

A...


whisper

And how do you know it's me, it may not be!!! You don't know me, I'm just a pile of numbers over the internet, that's all. We are virtual... I have no real name on here.. So really Idon't exist!!! Optimus pigpot is nothing other than virtual. None five sensory that is. God may not be needing us to explore him or her within the range of these five senses and may be seeking us to explore him or her in a sixth or seventh or maybe 43rd sense. But.... believe me I've tried and he ain't answering........

[phildee3]

God may not be needing us to explore him or her within the range of these five senses and may be seeking us to explore him or her in a sixth or seventh or maybe 43rd sense. But.... believe me I've tried and he ain't answering........

Who's this "God" person you're talking about?
I thought you said that he doesn't exist.

You say you don't exist,
so how can you possibly hear?

Once you realise that you do exist, so will your ears.
Then you will know that he/she is answering!

[optimus pigpot]

Who's this "God" person you're talking about?
I thought you said that he doesn't exist.

You say you don't exist,
so how can you possibly hear?

Once you realise that you do exist, so will your ears.
Then you will know that he/she is answering!

No, there is no God for me, as he / she has not revealed itself.... Optimus pigpot has no existence so there can be no God for Op..... But the user has a similar problem, the user / person has reasoned with existence and has concluded nothing.... nothing at all....... God has not spoken... and therefore the user does not KNOW...

[phildee3]

No, there is no God for me, as he / she has not revealed itself.... Optimus pigpot has no existence so there can be no God for Op..... But the user has a similar problem, the user / person has reasoned with existence and has concluded nothing.... nothing at all....... God has not spoken... and therefore the user does not KNOW...

Exactly!

The user does not know that God has not spoken because he has only used reasoning as an avenue of inquiry.

Reasoning is an active persuit; - listening is a passive one.

[optimus pigpot]

Exactly!

The user does not know that God has not spoken because he has only used reasoning as an avenue of inquiry.

Reasoning is an active persuit; - listening is a passive one.

But nothing is coming through...

Mork calling Orson, come in Orson!!!!!!!

[octopusrex]

Pig: You are the most religiously devout person I know!

[phildee3]

nothing is coming through...

Mork calling Orson, come in Orson!!!!!!!

Mork.

Retune you receiver.
You're on the wrong frequency!

oRSON

[optimus pigpot]

Pig: You are the most religiously devout person I know!

I know this....

Receiver retuned, still calling Orson!!!!! The line is dead......

[phildee3]

I know this....

Receiver retuned, still calling Orson!!!!! The line is dead......

You're still on the wrong frequency, opto.

Spiritual truth is paradoxical.
To tune in to a "higher" reality, you need to use a lower frequency.
So low, in fact, that you need hours (at least) to receive any message.

Passive listening; - I think they call it "meditation."
In your case, I think it might take years.

(I used to raise pigs)

[optimus pigpot]

You and everyone else who believes still have not answered my points from the two Icke books I mentioned and quoted from. The reason why you do not seems obvious, that you have no answer......

I'll make a thread of it for you and your like minded friends to respond with all your information......

[3rdeye]

hi all,
it amazes me the duality between the members .. we are all here for the same reason are we not ?but in saying that without duality we wouldnt be here e.g if we all agreed nothing would of ever been accomplished .lol

but i do have to say who ever that was writing that endless texts about jesus blah blah ...what a waste of time ....in the time it took to write that you could of helped 20 old ladies cross the road ..instead you just made an argument .
ALL of the christians & religions in the world all say to want the same thing but has any of it worked??? no because by creating an EVIL/GOOD duality they are merely adding to the problems with judement and denying oneness .
ok here we go , as many of us who follow davids work know there has been MANY times in history where 'JESUS' has been portrayed , many of them 1000's of years long before 0 BC so you cant tell me that ''oh no this time they were right'' BULLSHIT ALRIGHT!
and the 'BIBLE' is nothing more than a coded book to teach the 'enlightened ones' and to be taken METAPHORICALY not LITERALY!!
anyone reading this should read about whitepowder gold (ALOS KNOWN AS MONATOMIC GOLD ) a superconductor .which was used by the egyptians/mayans/sumerians etc. this stuff made from gold by burning at the same temperature as the sun for 300 seconds (using an electris ARC), and at the time of 300 seconds there is an 'explosion' of light and the plate it was on now weights half of its original weight ,
to me that explains alot of how these ancient civilisations coul move rocks weighing
alot of the bible talks of this practise but by using metaphores ... and alot has been miss interpreted into the new testament.
e.g MOSES :the the bush burning but it wasnt on fire ? if you put a pencil next to the explosion i was talking of before, the pencil will be savereley burned but will not fall over .. burns without fire???
and they knew of such electricity and megnetism 1000's and 1000's of years ago .
now answer me that god boy ???

[optimus pigpot]

hi all,
it amazes me the duality between the members .. we are all here for the same reason are we not ?but in saying that without duality we wouldnt be here e.g if we all agreed nothing would of ever been accomplished .lol

but i do have to say who ever that was writing that endless texts about jesus blah blah ...what a waste of time ....in the time it took to write that you could of helped 20 old ladies cross the road ..instead you just made an argument .
ALL of the christians & religions in the world all say to want the same thing but has any of it worked??? no because by creating an EVIL/GOOD duality they are merely adding to the problems with judement and denying oneness .
ok here we go , as many of us who follow davids work know there has been MANY times in history where 'JESUS' has been portrayed , many of them 1000's of years long before 0 BC so you cant tell me that ''oh no this time they were right'' BULLSHIT ALRIGHT!
and the 'BIBLE' is nothing more than a coded book to teach the 'enlightened ones' and to be taken METAPHORICALY not LITERALY!!
anyone reading this should read about whitepowder gold (ALOS KNOWN AS MONATOMIC GOLD ) a superconductor .which was used by the egyptians/mayans/sumerians etc. this stuff made from gold by burning at the same temperature as the sun for 300 seconds (using an electris ARC), and at the time of 300 seconds there is an 'explosion' of light and the plate it was on now weights half of its original weight ,
to me that explains alot of how these ancient civilisations coul move rocks weighing
alot of the bible talks of this practise but by using metaphores ... and alot has been miss interpreted into the new testament.
e.g MOSES :the the bush burning but it wasnt on fire ? if you put a pencil next to the explosion i was talking of before, the pencil will be savereley burned but will not fall over .. burns without fire???
and they knew of such electricity and megnetism 1000's and 1000's of years ago .
now answer me that god boy ???

You are correct in all but one aspect.. There are some forum members who do not agree that we are all here with the same agenda.. Some who worship Yahweh deem it their responsibility to inform others of what has been a tried, tested and failed experiment in "worshipping" the cartoon God Yahweh!!!!!

I in particular have had much sport with one such individual who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is an old fucking twat....... You may not need to search for him for long as I am sure he will reveal his head like that of a turtle's..........

I think that 3rdeye needs to talk with snoopssnuffleupagus.......

Seriously though, haven't talked before, but a cracking post.......

Like your individuality....... Keep them coming!!!!!

[blue]

You are correct in all but one aspect.. There are some forum members who do not agree that we are all here with the same agenda.. Some who worship Yahweh deem it their responsibility to inform others of what has been a tried, tested and failed experiment in "worshipping" the cartoon God Yahweh!!!!!

I in particular have had much sport with one such individual who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is an old fucking twat....... You may not need to search for him for long as I am sure he will reveal his head like that of a turtle's..........

I think that 3rdeye needs to talk with snoopssnuffleupagus.......

Seriously though, haven't talked before, but a cracking post.......

Like your individuality....... Keep them coming!!!!!

its an ACE !!!

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You are correct in all but one aspect.. There are some forum members who do not agree that we are all here with the same agenda.. Some who worship Yahweh deem it their responsibility to inform others of what has been a tried, tested and failed experiment in "worshipping" the cartoon God Yahweh!!!!!

I in particular have had much sport with one such individual who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is an old fucking twat....... You may not need to search for him for long as I am sure he will reveal his head like that of a turtle's..........

I think that 3rdeye needs to talk with snoopssnuffleupagus.......

Seriously though, haven't talked before, but a cracking post.......

Like your individuality....... Keep them coming!!!!!




HEY!!: I RLY GOT TO YA HUH?




CHORTLE




I am composing a little Theme Song to go with The Optimus Pigpot Cartoon Show. Itza goesza lika dis:



I'M A LITTLE PIGPOT


SHORT & STOUT


HERE IS MY PIGFACE



& HERE IS MY SNOUT






Don't Taze Me Bro!!: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

[nuit]

interesting thread and i think i can come up with an answer in a less complex and far less lengthy way

The word "Jew" is a shortened form of the old English word "Judean," referring to the descendants of the patriarch Judah, one of the twelve progenitors of the tribes of Israel. In the New Testament genealogies, both Jesus' mother Mary and His stepfather Joseph are listed as descendants of Judah, through the line of David (Matthew 1; Luke 3). Jesus was not only a descendant of Judah, a Jew, but He was also of the Davidic, kingly line of Judah. Several verses refer to Jesus as "Son of David" (e.g., Matthew 15:22; 21:9; Mark 10:47).

God inspired the apostle Paul to write: "For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah" (Hebrews 7:14). In Revelation 5:5, one of the twenty-four elders calls Jesus "the Lion of the tribe of Judah." Long before His birth, it was prophesied that Shiloh—the Messiah, the Prince of Peace—would come from the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10).

In His conversation with the woman at the well, Jesus says, "You [Samaritans] worship what you do not know; we [Jews] know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). Jesus uses the pronoun "we," clearly including Himself among the Jews. The Jews, however, rejected Him, as John 1:11 says, "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him."

Paul speaks of God "sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Romans 8:3). Christ took on the flesh and blood of His physical parent Mary (Hebrews 2:14). Jesus was born as a human being by a divine begettal into the nation, area, and family of Judah. Yes, Jesus certainly was a Jew!

[3rdeye]

just one question which jesus ??i think you'l find theres been quite a few .... lol

peace L)

[optimus pigpot]

HEY!!: I RLY GOT TO YA HUH?




CHORTLE




I am composing a little Theme Song to go with The Optimus Pigpot Cartoon Show. Itza goesza lika dis:



I'M A LITTLE PIGPOT


SHORT & STOUT


HERE IS MY PIGFACE



& HERE IS MY SNOUT






Don't Taze Me Bro!!: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

You are so simple minded to believe that I care about your idiotic simplistic religion. So answer me this!!!!

Without quoting from your, book of yahweh. Why do you believe that YOUR book of yahweh is any more relevant than the Koran.

WHY is your book so in touch!!!!!!!!!!!!

For hopefully the last time snoops... Give me an answer!!!! 100% Proof, DON'T fob me off!!!!!

[3rdeye]

You are correct in all but one aspect.. There are some forum members who do not agree that we are all here with the same agenda.. Some who worship Yahweh deem it their responsibility to inform others of what has been a tried, tested and failed experiment in "worshipping" the cartoon God Yahweh!!!!!

I in particular have had much sport with one such individual who shall remain nameless but nonetheless is an old fucking twat....... You may not need to search for him for long as I am sure he will reveal his head like that of a turtle's..........

I think that 3rdeye needs to talk with snoopssnuffleupagus.......

Seriously though, haven't talked before, but a cracking post.......

Like your individuality....... Keep them coming!!!!!

thanx pigpot :D
in all honesty i thought the last place id be seeing religious arguments was on this website ,
i dont know if its just me but i thought there would be more people thatv have seen and support DAVID I'S work on here ..like ( i thought we got past the jesus fad )??
cartoon gods you say hmm sounds fun but i have to say its still goin in the chritian/occult/myth/mindcontrol pile for me !!
ok ill try this snopalofagus you speak of ha thanx ,

i beleive the majority of the population have got sum serious waking up to do ! and i worry/feel for them because once they to 'wake up' they arent gonna like what they see , and thats only if they choose to see it for they have been blinded for so long .hold onto your faith ,not in god but in yourself for you are the devine being :)
now start your journey of (human)being and not
(human)doing .... (what your told)

my heart cries for humanity and i 'pray'(not sure what else to call it) for you all yet i feel useless .

in no way am i saying that im right and your wrong,for in my eyes duality is a definatly sign of progress ,
and i hope more people become more involved with what is happennin in the world and not what is happenning in their lounge or on their tv .

neways im out for now , much more to come :)
peace brothers,

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You are so simple minded to believe that I care about your idiotic simplistic religion. So answer me this!!!!

Without quoting from your, book of yahweh. Why do you believe that YOUR book of yahweh is any more relevant than the Koran.

WHY is your book so in touch!!!!!!!!!!!!

For hopefully the last time snoops... Give me an answer!!!! 100% Proof, DON'T fob me off!!!!!.


SS: I read your Raison D'Etre and was left with the distinct impression you are not: The Sharpest Tool in the Shed', PLUS, you are a NIHILIST, which is EURO-GEEK for ASS-HOLE


I provided PROOF of Yahsua Ben Yahseph existence.


Yahshua Endorses it.


When you read the few pages of my thread and use proper Names and Titles, then, and only then, shall I answer your queries. I leave the 31rst. I will answer your queries until that date.

How can you criticize what you do not know?


Oh, right, you're a NIHILIST :rolleyes:


DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!!: Sn:):)psnuffle:)pagus

[nuit]

just one question which jesus ??i think you'l find theres been quite a few .... lol

peace L)

take your pick then :D

[3rdeye]

ohh that jesus! the new testament one, i see!!
im not actually sure what RELAVENCE it actually has if jesus was a jew ,a tangifruit ,or a apple for that matter . (lmao)
he (if he actually lived)is DEAD and is not coming back, and if he does ill eat my hat .
i just wish it was as obvious to every1 else as it is to me that relion/christianity is merely a myth, a desperate attemp to control the masses and on that note they have done extremely well ,BUT we are in a the beginning of a new time, a new era for concioussness and as more & more people WAKE UP and become aware of this the better and soon the bible will belong nowhere but in the FICTION section of the Library ,
where in future civilisations they will look back and laugh at how people could have beleived such NONSENSE,
Come on people its time to move on with evollution , there is no GOOD there is no EVIL , there is perception & admiration ,where as your perceptive level of admiration can be higher or lower due to the conflict of differed perceptions ...

ever tried fighting fire with fire? you're always left with an after burning nomatter what that circumstance
you cannot fix hate with a countered level of hate you can only fix hate with the spread of knowledge & Love

outies for now :)
thanx
peace

[octopusrex]

Here comes the crunch: Reincarnation or Resusitation or both?

If Jesus is alive right now, then it stands to reason he is in some spaceship watching us fuck up the world.

If he is reincarnated, then he knows damn well who the fuck he is and he must be pissed as hell.

[optimus pigpot]

thanx pigpot :D
in all honesty i thought the last place id be seeing religious arguments was on this website ,
i dont know if its just me but i thought there would be more people thatv have seen and support DAVID I'S work on here ..like ( i thought we got past the jesus fad )??
cartoon gods you say hmm sounds fun but i have to say its still goin in the chritian/occult/myth/mindcontrol pile for me !!
ok ill try this snopalofagus you speak of ha thanx ,

i beleive the majority of the population have got sum serious waking up to do ! and i worry/feel for them because once they to 'wake up' they arent gonna like what they see , and thats only if they choose to see it for they have been blinded for so long .hold onto your faith ,not in god but in yourself for you are the devine being :)
now start your journey of (human)being and not
(human)doing .... (what your told)

my heart cries for humanity and i 'pray'(not sure what else to call it) for you all yet i feel useless .

in no way am i saying that im right and your wrong,for in my eyes duality is a definatly sign of progress ,
and i hope more people become more involved with what is happennin in the world and not what is happenning in their lounge or on their tv .

neways im out for now , much more to come :)
peace brothers,

I find snoops a little boring and idiootic lately...

What he doesn't realise is that I'm not going to read any more of the shit he posts from the Book Of Poo!!! The reason being is that it's not that difficult to copy a tract out of any book.

He's just a prick who is making himself sound more stupid by the post..

Speak soon, good to talk!!!!!

[phildee3]

you cannot fix hate with a countered level of hate you can only fix hate with the spread of knowledge & Love

God is Love, knowledge and wisdom. The christos is the means by which they are manifested in this world.
Hate, and counter hate are spread by sectarianism (which is the division of the unity of God), not by true re-ligion (unity with God).

[optimus pigpot]

God is Love, knowledge and wisdom. The christos is the means by which they are manifested in this world.
Hate, and counter hate are spread by sectarianism (which is the division of the unity of God), not by true re-ligion (unity with God).

And you know this is true because you think it sounds nice or..............? Why are you constantly bringing up this Christos bollocks all the while when we've proved it's crap. We're moving on phildee3, we'll leave you to wait around for your make believe god. Oh! And When he doesn't arrive we'll be waving from the boat!!!!!!!!

Hate and counter hate are spread by people, the very same people who wrote your cartoon bibles and Book of Poo!!

Why must THIS be so!

Op

[phildee3]

And you know this is true because you think it sounds nice or..............?

I know this is true because .........

You can't fill in the blank because you have no awareness of anything except that which can be perceived by the five senses.
What would you say to a blind person who denied the existance of colour?
How would you "prove" that?
And what would you say when he says he's "proved" that colour doesn't exist, simply because you can't "prove" that it does?


Hate and counter hate are spread by people,

Yes.
Sectarian people like you.
One day you will wake up and see that we are all one.


Why must this be so!

Because people insist that others must think the way that they do for there to be peace, and throw vile insults at them for not doing so.

[phildee3]

Okay Pigpot. Answer me this:
Does anything exist?

[optimus pigpot]

I know this is true because .........

You can't fill in the blank because you have no awareness of anything except that which can be perceived by the five senses.
What would you say to a blind person who denied the existance of colour?
How would you "prove" that?
And what would you say when he says he's "proved" that colour doesn't exist, simply because you can't "prove" that it does?
Colour is perception, your blue is not my blue, as it is dictated by the senses. But your "God" is a construct created and managed by yourself to help you through the day. Your god is not appealing to your mind. You just believe it does.

Sectarian people like you. Phildee3. At what point did I become sectarian, that and other words used by you and snoops are again constructs that "you" use to describe what your simple minds cannot understand. In a word, ME. And when have said I hate anyone. I think you'll need to trawl through my posts to see where I used the word. Hang on I didn't....... Oh! Strange that......

One day you will wake up and see that we are all one.
I agree in the principle of oneness, it's just got nothing to do with a cartoon god or Jesus or anything else like it. Nothing needs "WORSHIP". How childish to worship!!


Because people insist that others must think the way that they do for there to be peace, and throw vile insults at them for not doing so.
When have I insisted anything and I shall trade with whatever I recieve no more and no less!!

Kind regards, Op

[phildee3]

Colour is perception, your blue is not my blue, as it is dictated by the senses.

Just like God.

"Blue" is a construct created and managed by yourself to help you through the day,
...said the blind man.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yoo Hoo! Optimus!! Helloooooo!!!!



Hey! I am really in your Brain. It appears hardly used!

I shall decorate it with a Yahweh Theme.


I am in your Brain, and I will be there for the Duration.



Going: Yahweh this, and, Yahshua that.



This is Grand!!!


Your Brain is my Domicile.


Look on the Bright side, your IQ just massively increased!!!




Still Laughing Sweet Pea!!!



Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[oiram]

This is the first site which really made me understand what it is all about!
Finally I got it in place great & it is so true feeling makes you blind to see Reality

EARTH’S FINAL HOURS index:
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/preamble.html

Every one should be able to cope with this explanation!
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter8/law.html
Consider Proverbs 28:4: “They that forsake the law praise the wicked.” No matter how often one might go to church, no matter how much one might say that he loves the Lord, if that person ignores God’s law, he is praising the wicked, as this verse says. He, himself, is wicked, for wickedness is the breaking of the law of God.

Finally, in 1 John 3:8 we see that anyone who is breaking any of God’s Ten Commandments is of the devil, regardless of how strenuously he claims to be a Christian and regardless of how many good works he does. “He that committeth sin is of the devil.”

Why is it that so many people consider it normal to disregard the law of God? According to Revelation 12:9, everyone has believed the lies the devil has spread in profusion in this world. They have accepted Satan’s lies as the truth, and the wrong way seems to them to be the right way. Because we have all believed the devil’s lies, we cannot trust our feelings. What we feel is right may not be right. God has graciously warned us about this in Proverbs 16:25: “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” We must understand that God will not lie to us; we must accept exactly what the Bible says, regardless of our feelings, regardless of our beliefs, regardless of what our ministers tell us, and regardless of whether the way seems right to us. To do otherwise will be fatal, as Proverbs 16:25 clearly indicates.

Because of the intense psychological group pressure which the devil brings to bear on each of us, it is difficult for one person to defy the majority, to go against that which is commonly accepted as truth and obey God as the Bible specifies. Satan uses each one of us to help deceive others. When one person does something wrong, it is easy for others to follow his example and do the same thing. The more people Satan can deceive into believing a lie, the easier it is for him to deceive others. When we are part of the group which follows feelings and beliefs rather than what the Bible plainly says, the wrong way seems right and is the easiest. God does not want us to be confused. He wants us to understand thoroughly what He requires of us. If we will accept exactly what He tells us, we will not be confused. We are confused when we listen to ministers and teachers explain away the clear commands of God. We are confused when we follow what seems right to us though it disagrees with Scripture.

There is a well-known axiom in mathematics that states that things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. With this in mind consider: What is truth? Psalms 119:142 tells us that, “Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.” Verse 151 says, “. . . all thy commandments are truth.” Christ’s law = truth.

John 14:6 says that Jesus, Himself, is the truth. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Also, then, Christ = truth.

Therefore, since Christ’s law = truth, and Christ = truth, then Christ = His law. This illustrates that the Ten Commandments represent the very character of Christ and can never change because Christ can never change. Hebrews 13:8 shows this clearly, “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”

Jesus said here that the greatest commandment is to love God. Is He saying then that we no longer have to obey the Ten Commandments? Hardly. First John 5:3 tells us that to love God is to keep His commandments. “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” We show our love to God by keeping His law. If we love God, will we do what He asks? Of course we will. We will not take His name in vain; we will not worship idols; we will have no other gods before Him; and we will remember to keep His Sabbath day holy. And if we love our fellow man, we will not lie to him; we will not steal from him; we will not kill him; and we will not commit adultery with his wife. Love, you see, is keeping the commandments of God. Love, as Jesus said in Matthew 22:40, sums up the law and everything the prophets wrote. “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
More truth: http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter8/law.html
Here it is in black & white stated in the oldest Book! We cannot trust our feelings.
I always known that women have a special handicap and are tempted by nature to follow Evil!
What a pity it's to late now; I would love to show this to my ex-wife! I will print this one out and carry around with me!

In this regard I can relate this to the problem of money! If you have money to make your self a good life it will not become a problem, but if it feels good to have money then you in trouble because the feeling for more will never stop!
You should have a good talk to your Wife and Children to make them understand!
The best Law we ever got and we all disregarded it for all this time!
If you don't like to relate the law with Gods word no problem but following the rules will automatically make you a respectful person and don't worry about God he will be around you every day and he will not bother you at all!

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS:
http://www.pacinst.com/worldend.htm
1st. Exodus 20:3: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

2nd. Exodus 20:4-6: “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”

3rd. Exodus 20:7: “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”

4th. Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

5th. Exodus 20:12: “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.”

6th. Exodus 20:13: “Thou shalt not kill.”

7th. Exodus 20:14: “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”

8th. Exodus 20:15: “Thou shalt not steal.”

9th. Exodus 20:16: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”

10th. Exodus 20:17: “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.”

[oiram]

Who the Hell would say something like this?
Many say that the Ten Commandments were “nailed to the cross” — that is, abolished.
Why don't I have to much trouble to point my fingers to a specific group stating something like this!


Many say that the Ten Commandments were “nailed to the cross” — that is, abolished. Can this be true? When one considers the many verses which emphasize the permanence of the Ten Commandments, it is obvious that the claim that they were abolished cannot be valid, for the entire Bible can have no contradictions. The Bible does say, however, that some law was abolished! Since the law which was abolished cannot be the Ten Commandments (for Psalms 111:7-9 says that they stand forever), it must be some other law. There were, in fact, four different types of laws which God gave to the Israelites in Old Testament times:

1. The great universal moral law, the Ten Commandments

2. The religious ceremonial laws

3. The health laws

4. The civil laws

Colossians 2:14-17 discusses these laws which were abolished. “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” Notice that these laws which Christ nailed to His cross were against us and contrary to us. Are the Ten Commandments contrary to us? Are they against us? Certainly not. We saw that the Ten Commandments are God’s promise to us of eternal peace and happiness. They are God’s precious promises to us that we will live in freedom and safety forever. How could they possibly be against us? Verse 16 refers to meat offerings, drink offerings, and other religious ceremonial practices, which the newly converted Christians were not observing. Colossians 2:17 says that these laws and the various days and ceremonies connected with them “are a shadow of things to come.” In other words, something later in time was casting a shadow which was represented by these laws and ceremonies.

Hebrews 10:1-10 discusses this shadow system of laws further. “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”

Is there anything in the Ten Commandments about sacrifices? Verse 2: “For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.” Here the fact that these sacrifices ceased to be offered is mentioned. Therefore the laws which were nailed to the cross were the religious ceremonial laws requiring the sacrificing of bulls and goats for the remembrance of sin, as verse 3 says. “But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.”

It is the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross which takes away the sins of all those who will accept and obey Him. All those animal sacrifices were substitutes for Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and represented Christ’s death. (The heathen religions required sacrifices also, but these were always to appease a mean and angry god.) The New International translation of the Bible says in Hebrews 10:1: “The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming — not the realities themselves.”

Once Jesus died on the cross, the animal sacrifices ceased, as we saw in verse 2. Verses 6-8 say: “In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law.” Notice that those sacrifices were required “by law.”

There is no mention in the Ten Commandments of sacrifices. The law spoken of here is definitely the religious ceremonial laws, which did require animal sacrifices. Verses 9,10: “Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Christ took away the first, the animal sacrifices, and established the second, His sacrifice for everyone, once for all as verse 10 says. For us to continue to offer sacrifices now, after the Lord’s death, would be a sacrilege, saying in effect that the Lord did not die for our sins. These verses in no way imply that God’s Ten Commandment law was taken away, for as Psalms 111:7-9 says, God’s commandments, His covenant, will stand forever.

In addition to these four types of laws which were given by God, there were other laws which the people were expected to obey. These additional laws originated, not from God, but from the Pharisees, who continually hounded Jesus, tempting Him and trying to catch Him in a wrong saying or a wrong act. These laws were known as “the tradition of the elders” and resulted from Jewish misinterpretation of God’s laws. These Jewish additions to the law resulted in the development of hostile attitudes over the centuries. They are mentioned in Matthew 15:2. “Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.” Here we see that one of these laws was that people must wash their hands before eating. Some of these laws were rather ridiculous. For instance, there was a law that a person could not carry a handkerchief in his pocket on the Sabbath day because that was bearing a burden; but if the handkerchief were pinned to his clothes, it now became part of his raiment and was not a burden.

More truth: http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter8/law.html


OK so this one is clear too they don't have the status anymore!
The term “Israel,” which means “ruling with God,” in these verses and in many other texts refers to God’s true people. This term is appropriate to describe God’s true people, for they will indeed rule with Him in the new earth, which will then be the throne of the universe. In the Old Testament, the Israelites were the chosen people of God, but in the New Testament, a different group of people is referred to as Israel. Galatians 3:28,29 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” The Israelites were the seed of Abraham, to whom God gave the promise of inheritance. Today, the true Christians are Israel and are Abraham’s seed and heirs to eternal life.

Because the Jews had continually betrayed their trust, the honor of being God’s chosen people was taken from them when Jewish probation expired in 34 AD. The period of Jewish probation is described in Daniel 9:24: “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity.” This seventy-week period, which is 490 years of actual time (see chapter ten), is the period of time which God granted to the Israelites to finish their transgressions and to quit sinning. They never did quit sinning, however, and therefore they lost the honor of being God’s chosen people.
Nothing has changed till today

[blue]

commandments, what commandments? oh the one that moses received from god (when he was all alone and no one was around). Moses' story was lifted straight from sargon's. The 10 commandments are lifted straight from the egyptian book of the dead.

[phildee3]

Many say that the Ten Commandments were “nailed to the cross” — that is, abolished.

In a sense this is right, in a sense not.
This, and all the other contradictions are paradoxes, rather than contradictions per se.
Spiritual truths are naturally paradoxical to us as mortals.

Jesus said "I come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it."
He then went on to replace the old with the new; - love God and love your neighbour.

Now if you forget about the old and keep the new, you will automatically keep the old.

[synergy777]

whats right and wrong is not subject to the influence of our emotions,

you must remember that what you feel, is only temporary,

what is right or wrong, is eternal.

if you are tempted by say to have a one night stand/affair, it feels right, good, but after the sex/buzz, the real truth comes through, when you realise you have just did wrong to your partner etc.

this is why wrong and right are not subjective,

** its your emotions which are constrained by your perception and comprehension at that given time which are wrong. **

then you have that ego voice, which tries to make the bad thing you want do seem justifiable, oh its just a bit fo fun, its two consenting adults, or they deserve it, they are bad to you, they would have an affair, so why don't you etc a bit like the hobbit thing in lotr, lol

calmness, clear and critical thought and confidence/courage are whats needed to do the right thing.

i was always told, the good things only happen through courage, as they are the hardest things to do.

good things only the few do, as most succumb to evil, do not have courage to be themselves.

so to be evil is weak/cowardly and ultimately unintelligent,

to be good is strong/courageous is ultimately to be intelligent

and only the wise survive, to be the best is to be good.

[3rdeye]

This is the first site which really made me understand what it is all about!
Finally I got it in place great & it is so true feeling makes you blind to see Reality

EARTH’S FINAL HOURS index:
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/preamble.html

Every one should be able to cope with this explanation!


Here it is in black & white stated in the oldest Book! We cannot trust our feelings.
I always known that women have a special handicap and are tempted by nature to follow Evil!
What a pity it's to late now; I would love to show this to my ex-wife! I will print this one out and carry around with me!

In this regard I can relate this to the problem of money! If you have money to make your self a good life it will not become a problem, but if it feels good to have money then you in trouble because the feeling for more will never stop!
You should have a good talk to your Wife and Children to make them understand!
The best Law we ever got and we all disregarded it for all this time!
If you don't like to relate the law with Gods word no problem but following the rules will automatically make you a respectful person and don't worry about God he will be around you every day and he will not bother you at all!

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS:

aww what a nice book ....
but i do have to say you are faaar off with your claim
'' Here it is in black & white stated in the oldest Book! We cannot trust our feelings "

oldest book aye ????
i can tell you have spent a long time living in a little box,
its quite uncanny that the same guys who wrote the bible are the same associated with those who traveled through ancient villages destoying all of there tabletures & scripts (BOOKS) ,MURDEROUS RAMPAGES TO EQUIT OF ANY SUCH TEXTS NOT RELATING TO THE CHGRISTIAN GOD ,those that were around a long time before your 'jesus''s book .

you say yourself about the devil & how is best trick was to have every1 beleive he wasnt real ... so how do you know your not talking about satan when you refer to god???
whose god? not mine i tell ya

how about the fact that the earth is 60 odd billion years old and doesnt the bible say its 10,000 lmao haha slight bit of a difference there ,
mayans had engraved on one of there 7000 year old temples the EVOLUTION OF CONCIOUSSNESS and if you havent heard of it i highly recommend you go on youtube.com and search 'ian lungold' it is ablolutley amazing how much these guys knew 7000 years ago , also explains the 7 days of creation and the nine steps of EVOLUTION ,but dont expect me to sit here and quote on him just look it up :)

another funy thing is that most christians are soo absolutely sure they are right they would never even dare to think he possibility that they are WRONG haha looks like your ego's got in the way once again ..

i know that at whatever point i am in my life to always keep the door open for all possibilities ...JUST because who can be so sure of them selves and there ego???

just a thought anyways
peace :)

[oiram]

whats right and wrong is not subject to the influence of our emotions,
you must remember that what you feel, is only temporary,
what is right or wrong, is eternal.
if you are tempted by say to have a one night stand/affair, it feels right, good, but after the sex/buzz, the real truth comes through, when you realise you have just did wrong to your partner etc.
this is why wrong and right are not subjective,
** its your emotions which are constrained by your perception and comprehension at that given time which are wrong. **
then you have that ego voice, which tries to make the bad thing you want do seem justifiable, oh its just a bit fo fun, its two consenting adults, or they deserve it, they are bad to you, they would have an affair, so why don't you etc a bit like the hobbit thing in lotr, lol
calmness, clear and critical thought and confidence/courage are whats needed to do the right thing.
i was always told, the good things only happen through courage, as they are the hardest things to do.
good things only the few do, as most succumb to evil, do not have courage to be themselves.
so to be evil is weak/cowardly and ultimately unintelligent,
to be good is strong/courageous is ultimately to be intelligent
and only the wise survive, to be the best is to be good.
You so right my Friend! Not to many people left on this Earth knowing what is right and what is wrong!

[oiram]

commandments, what commandments? oh the one that moses received from god (when he was all alone and no one was around). Moses' story was lifted straight from sargon's. The 10 commandments are lifted straight from the egyptian book of the dead.
Ok! In the end is it not just a question of what is right and what is wrong! Please tell me which one of the Commandments you don't like and is in any way inhuman or anti Human Moral? I presume you have a problem with the first 3 Commandments "right?" whats about the other 7!
Is it really a big problem who & where they got the Commandments from; important is what they tell you and what they represent!

[oiram]

proof....this guy is promoting the NWO and his christian belief here.
You are wrong about me!
If I am allowed to say; I am absolute Anti NWO "because the NWO stands for absolute power & control over Humanity" and when I talk about one religion believe I don't talk about it to have one Corrupt Church" I hate the money sucking Church Organisation! "I am pointing directly to the Ten Commandments as a basic Moral law; NOT to the Book! I also don't like to many parts in the Book because most people are aware that some of these guys in the old times played with the original scripture ! But I like the parts which make sense & don't contradict them selfs and which sound logic!

[oiram]

Paul speaks of God "sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Romans 8:3). Christ took on the flesh and blood of His physical parent Mary (Hebrews 2:14). Jesus was born as a human being by a divine begettal into the nation, area, and family of Judah. Yes, Jesus certainly was a Jew!
So Jesus represented the good guy if I understand the story right; thats why they did not like him too much!
Thats what it says he was a Jew and proofs to me there are Good Jews and Bad Jews the same counts for the Christians the Muslims and all others "you have Good and Bad"

[oiram]

You are so simple minded to believe that I care about your idiotic simplistic religion. So answer me this!!!!
Without quoting from your, book of yahweh. Why do you believe that YOUR book of yahweh is any more relevant than the Koran.
WHY is your book so in touch!!!!!!!!!!!!
For hopefully the last time snoops... Give me an answer!!!! 100% Proof, DON'T fob me off!!!!!
One thing is clear most people which understand problems of others, will ignore & filter out abusive languish, also I think most will give a pigs-ass about it, if you believe in Moral laws which are written or unwritten us long you don't offend people fiscally!
YOUR book of yahweh is any more relevant than the Koran. = Its the same relevance to an Individual! What I like is they all Based on the Ten Commandments! When it comes to contradictions in any of these Books then in my mind I say that we don't understand what was written ore some Bad Guys where adding it to include there own agenda! If you are able to filter them out most parts will give you a good baseline to understand spirituality & Human Morality!
http://www.essential-truth.org/faq/isnt-the-bible-full-of-contradictions.cfm
Many of the alleged contradictions in the Bible follow a similar pattern. What on the surface appears as a contradiction disappears once the context and purpose of the verses are taken into account.

Conclusion
We don’t have space to address every apparent contradiction in the Bible. There are good explanations for many of them, if not all. However, one stubborn discrepancy should not make us doubt the reliability of God’s Word. God has demonstrated His trustworthiness to us in so many ways that our difficulties in answering one specific point should not be allowed to trump the vast weight of evidence that exists elsewhere. We must also remember that the reliability of God’s Word is most evident as the Spirit helps us understand and apply that Word. It is not a dry textbook to be probed for inaccuracies, but a blueprint for life.

[oiram]

Okay Pigpot. Answer me this:
Does anything exist?
Yes! Pigpot does exist and he reacts as it is explained in some parts of the Book!
Just think about it what would we have to talk about if he did not exist :D

[oiram]

believe me I've tried and he ain't answering........
This is interesting after all you have a soul, we maybe able to help you! When you tried; what where you asking him to do for you!
Can you talk about it or is it to personal?

[oiram]

Here comes the crunch: Reincarnation or Resusitation or both?
If Jesus is alive right now, then it stands to reason he is in some spaceship watching us fuck up the world.
If he is reincarnated, then he knows damn well who the fuck he is and he must be pissed as hell.
Nicely put; even the retarded one understands this one, even if he did not get Reincarnated he still would be pissed off with us :cool::cool::D

[phildee3]

Yes! Pigpot does exist and he reacts as it is explained in some parts of the Book!


Which book??

What I want to know is whether he thinks anything exists.

He doesn't answer.

That's a non-reaction,
which suggests he doesn't exist.

[phildee3]

believe me I've tried and he ain't answering........

Of course he ain't answering.

You don't answer.

and you are God,
...as we all are.

[phildee3]

God may not be needing us to explore him or her within the range of these five senses and may be seeking us to explore him or her in a sixth or seventh or maybe 43rd sense.

So pigpot believes that God exists...
mmmmm

[phildee3]

If he is reincarnated, then he knows damn well who the fuck he is and he must be pissed as hell.

We are!!

[3rdeye]

god god god blah blah blah jebus jebus jebus...

we all have pretty simlar interests for humanity , just a pitty the christians think that by separating themselves from the rest of us that they are helping?????

not even in my most dazed state of concioussness can i begin to understand how these guys think they are helping lol it is just pure idiotic ignorance .

and hey how about all these people committing crimes surely they NEED some help in the right direction right ???
ohhh no nup were gona lock them up with all there gun toting freinds , so when they get out all they have acomplishes is widening there "socia/business" cirlce or crime . hahahaha
its idiotic systems like this that make me laugh at humanity , well the funniest bit is no one seems to care , like hey yeah you can shit on us all you like ...as long as you let me have my silver SL mercedes ;)

hahah dumb humans