View Full Version : Quantum physics hits mainstream - What is Reality?
ashangel
25-01-2011, 03:32 PM
Nothing new to those in the know. what is significant however is that this was on BBC Horizon.
BBC Horizon - What is reality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Z8CqAiYI8
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
I had good feelings about this year and so far its proving right.
wthree
25-01-2011, 08:42 PM
About time.
The problem is, thought, that technology and science is advancing faster than the media can keep up. So there is a horrible delay in the discoveries in science, and the reports on said science in the mainstream media.
That and most people like things that are 'too sciency'. Or at least, the media thinks they dont.
ashangel
27-01-2011, 09:46 AM
About time.
Definitely. :cool:
The problem is, thought, that technology and science is advancing faster than the media can keep up. So there is a horrible delay in the discoveries in science, and the reports on said science in the mainstream media.
That and most people like things that are 'too sciency'. Or at least, the media thinks they dont.
The Amount of people interested in this sort of thing grows by the day, there are many people seeking answer who are of a mindset that is science and/or engineering based, between this and unified field they should find those. I just hope they are prepared to accept the full meaning of what it reveals.
"A mind is like a parachute, it only works when open." ;)
jconnar
27-01-2011, 11:06 AM
Great program just finished it.
A lot of this stuff reminded me of the things learnt from religion not science.
Duality and unity, the world being an illusion/hologram, as above so below, occult elements.
My new mantra - Break the Matrix, Break reality.
ashangel
27-01-2011, 04:20 PM
Great program just finished it.
A lot of this stuff reminded me of the things learnt from religion not science.
Duality and unity, the world being an illusion/hologram, as above so below, occult elements.
My new mantra - Break the Matrix, Break reality.
If you look at the kabbahlah in a certain way and the mystery school teachings you can see that as always Science is just playing catch up.
which reminds me, I did post these a while ago but I think they just got buried.
Quantum Physics Meets the Kabbalah
http://vimeo.com/2049427
Quantum Physics Meets the Kabbalah on Vimeo
Part 2
http://vimeo.com/2050826
Quantum Physics meets the Kabbalah Part 2 on Vimeo
"there is no spoon" :cool:
codie
27-01-2011, 07:09 PM
Nothing new to those in the know. what is significant however is that this was on BBC Horizon.
BBC Horizon - What is reality?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Z8CqAiYI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Z8CqAiYI8
I had good feelings about this year and so far its proving right.
I watched this one and also the previous one about 'senses', it was talking about the fact that we have way more than the five senses, and about how our senses can also fool us quite sygnificantly, with regards to the fact we see only what we believe is real.
tjohn
28-01-2011, 01:13 AM
Our brain perceives reality by holograms because we are a part of the Universe and likewise the Universe does. The Universe is conscious but as a whole is much more so than us.
Add-on
My perception of God is not 'Jesus' nor the Hebrew god(s) flying around in the sky but is the conscious Universe.
Our brain perceives reality by holograms because we are a part of the Universe and likewise the Universe does. The Universe is conscious but as a whole is much more so than us.
Add-on
My perception of God is not 'Jesus' nor the Hebrew god(s) flying around in the sky but is the conscious Universe.
look how our brain perceives reality and how the Universe works are 2 completly differnt things
tjohn
28-01-2011, 01:51 AM
look how our brain perceives reality and how the Universe works are 2 completly differnt thingsThe Universe is conscious and as a whole is much more so than us. Like we humans, the Universe sometimes has conflicting thought and is trying to understand itself. This is why the birds sing. This is we try to communicate.
The Universe is conscious and as a whole is much more so than us. Like we humans, the Universe sometimes has conflicting thought and is trying to understand itself. This is why the birds sing. This is we try to communicate.
that's your belief not a fact
there's no proof the Universe has thoughts
birds sing I believe to define there Territory and to attract a mate
humans communicate for various reasons and quite separate to what is happening in the Universe
Consciousness is variously defined as subjective experience, awareness, the ability to experience "feeling", wakefulness, the understanding of the concept "self"
tjohn
28-01-2011, 07:14 AM
that's your belief not a fact
there's no proof the Universe has thoughts Not the same as our thoughts (the Universe as a whole thinks more than we humans). Take the double split experiment for instance with very tiny 'particles' such as photons and electrons - and although they are very tiny (from our perspective) they are aware of when we are looking at them or not.
birds sing I believe to define there Territory and to attract a mateSo as I said, the Universe is trying to understand itself and so the birds sing, because they are trying to communicate and understand themselves. :p
humans communicate for various reasons and [are] quite separate to what is happening in the UniverseWe not separate from the Universe. Are we? :rolleyes: - No, we are a part of the whole (Universe) which is conscious and is trying to understand itself. We try too because of that fact.
Think outside the 'box' deca, because reality is not what we have been told to believe.
skeptik
28-01-2011, 11:45 AM
-a hologram is simply an optical illusion. if you reach out to touch the apparently 3-D object you'll find that it doesn't exist and is just light (on a flat surface). our world is touchable. it has volume, mass and can be navigated. if a rock looks solid you touch it, pick it up and it still feels solid, you drop it on your foot and it hurts.... my conclusion would be that it is REALLY THERE and clearly not a hologram.
-if the holographic universe is being projected from a distant 'event horizon' that would imply that all action is merely a projection of something taking place somewhere else*. since living organisms on this planet are free to act under their own volition, and have awareness of their own existence, this would imply that this is not a holographic projection.
* even if this was all happening 'somewhere else' that would simply be moving the fundamental mystery to another location. in a way absolving ourselves of the responsibility of dealing with the here and now.
i'm interested to know what others think a practical application of the holographic universe theory might be. suppose it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that this is all a hologram... what do we do with that knowledge ? how will it change our everyday existence ?
think a lot off assumptions are being made by scientist smashing atoms and discovering even smaller pieces.......
also don't you think trying to actually observe these very tiny things the equipment is going to interfere with how these things act? ….......or do you think they go “oh no humans are looking at us”?
I think what they trying to suggest these tiny things are some how come out of a interference pattern.
http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/howholo/01.gif
wthree
28-01-2011, 03:15 PM
Not the same as our thoughts (the Universe as a whole thinks more than we humans). Take the double split experiment for instance with very tiny 'particles' such as photons and electrons - and although they are very tiny (from our perspective) they are aware of when we are looking at them or not.
We dont really know the full facts about how and why particles react differently while being absorbed. But is a stretch to say they are aware of us. The only reason we consider such a possibility is because we, as humans, always attempt to place human attributes onto non-human phenomena.
think a lot off assumptions are being made by scientist smashing atoms and discovering even smaller pieces.......
also don't you think trying to actually observe these very tiny things the equipment is going to interfere with how these things act? ….......or do you think they go “oh no humans are looking at us”?
What kind of assumptions?
Yes, many have thought about the possibility that the mechanism involved in recording the result may change the result. However, its hard to say.
In anycase, its nothing to do with humans observing them, because thats just incredibly egocentric and silly.
What kind of assumptions?
beliefs and theorys out of this sort of science, where I believe its still very sketchy at the moment.
wthree
28-01-2011, 03:46 PM
beliefs and theorys out of this sort of science, where I believe its still very sketchy at the moment.
That, I agree with. Certain scientists are jumping the gun, like claiming the apparent observation of a particle changes its action, is proof of universal consciousness.
there's no proof the Universe has thoughts
Not thoughts as in a human understanding of the word but i'd say it's a fair assumption that as what we understand as consciousness is displayed by elements with the universe that the universe is conscious. After all seperateness is merely an illusion.. hence "universe".
I'm very much aligned with the thoughts expressed by tjohn in this topic.
dam I must be the odd one .....:rolleyes:
ashangel
03-02-2011, 04:23 AM
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein — Sidelights on Relativity (1920), 28.
"But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."
— Albert Einstein Letter (24 Jan 1936). Quoted in Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Albert Einstein: The Human Side (1981), 33.
"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter."
— Max Planck (1944)
"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
— Max Planck
Quoted in The Observer (25 Jan 1931). Cited in Joseph H. Fussell, 'Where is Science Going?: Review and Comment', Theosophical Path Magazine,