The ELITE ARE BLUFFING!!!!!!!

[devin]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

[greenleaf]

It sounds more like your own personal conscious ascention to a new level beyond this 3D to me..

[cruise4]

Can't say I vehemently disagree with any of this. There is a lot of double-bluff going on. I'm even suspecting they wanted a violent small scale uprising to introduce their Police State en masse as oppose to drip feeding it to us. I think there's every chance these people will come unstuck before we have to fight properly. The trick will be not to let them in again by accident.

[devin]

It sounds more like your own personal conscious ascention to a new level beyond this 3D to me..

Well if that's the case then I would say it is happening to a lot of other people too. I didn't listen (or even know) about Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Tsarion, Swerdlow, Peter Farley, Icke etc... 2 years a go but I'll bet anything they were much more respected back then. People are really starting to wake up that these researchers either work for them or they are being manipulated by them.

[niftygifter]

Devin,
Welcome.
Half the pressure and half the stress and half the fear is put on by ourselves:cool:

I believe you are right about the channeled messages and I also believe that the "meeting of the Galatic Neighbours" is non too far away at all:rolleyes:

They are already around : http://www.ecoenquirer.com/UFO-cloud-wakes.htm

Nifty:D

[greenleaf]

Well if that's the case then I would say it is happening to a lot of other people too. I didn't listen (or even know) about Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Tsarion, Swerdlow, Peter Farley, Icke etc... 2 years a go but I'll bet anything they were much more respected back then. People are really starting to wake up that these researchers either work for them or they are being manipulated by them.

I have to agree with that too.. I too am a recent member and only now seem to be 'getting it'

[chinchilla]

Yea, I agree! If they were so big and powerful we wouldn't have half of what we have now and we surely wouldn't be able to question it :p

[devin]

Yea, I agree! If they were so big and powerful we wouldn't have half of what we have now and we surely wouldn't be able to question it :p

Oh for sure! lol... the other day I was reading about how evil and powerful they were as I was sipping a cup of hot apple cider, listening to joni mitchell's amazing new cd, all nice and warm lol.

Another thing they like to spread through their researchers is that all famous people work for them (and even mind-controlled by them). ABSOLOUTELY NOT!

[devin]

Devin,
Welcome.
Half the pressure and half the stress and half the fear is put on by ourselves:cool:

I believe you are right about the channeled messages and I also believe that the "meeting of the Galatic Neighbours" is non too far away at all:rolleyes:

They are already around : http://www.ecoenquirer.com/UFO-cloud-wakes.htm

Nifty:D

I'd say even more than half the pressure and stress is by us. The thing that is hilarious is that the people who are all into these conspiracy researchers put down spirituality as "new-age" and say that what the CT researchers says is true spirituality. The conspiracy theorists ideas are way worse than what people call the "new-age" because they blame all of their problems on ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES. Then, of course, they feel so awakened because they now know about how other people are corrupt when they need to look at themselves deeply and see that they have a dark side as well.

[redhead]

Your thoughts create reality, mass thought creates mass reality so all the elite have to do is manipulate our thoughts to get the world they want us to live in, this is the knowledge they have kept from us and that is the bottom line. We have to turn off our t.v's, ignore mass media and just enjoy our life, dont worry about what the evil ones are doing cause thats what they want us to do.

[lottie]

They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

Well if this is the case devin then its working because ive only been around the world of 'conspiracy theories' for the last (nigh on) two years and ive seen such a change in mindset....the confusion is rife amongst a lot of people....(i speak from my own perception). The conspiracy movement has gone wild with paranoia and confusion, there used to be what appeared to be common ground but now it seems the conspiracies are within conspiracies and get more and more intricate the longer time goes on to the point where no-one believes anything anymore- no one trusts anyones view- everyone's throwing accusations around left right and center.....disinfo....etc etc.

For me it reinforces my feeling that i should only trust myself and my intuition. (this then reinforces the belief of the 'spiritual aspect' of knowing oneself and trusting a 'higher-self'.)
I was only chatting with a friend about it the other day; how everyone jumps on everyone elses beliefs or opinions but how these beliefs and opinions change daily for me- i also have the belief that i dont have to believe in anything if i dont want to....I mean a belief is something that you truly believe deep down to your soul (the 'knowing') it just 'is' you dont have to concentrate for it to be there it just is.....(ok im lost now- the more i think about it the more i see i contradict myself.....) its hard to explain but in a nutshell- im happy to sit on the fence about a lot of things and not believe either way....just take it on board!
When i look at how the CT movement has changed and the direction its going in i realise that if i 'believe' in it all too much it then serves to manipulate me into confusion by its current undertones of dis-trust for everything/everyone.
The trouble is when you 'awaken' to all this stuff.....and listen to the words of Icke and others, you agree that there is 'all possibility' which means exactly that...then you have the problem that 'all possibility' means that everything you learn about from there on is potentially dis-info.
All possibility leads to paranoia and paranoia leads to confusion.
The you get the Science bit which serves to 'prove' another angle that we create our reality....tahts a whole new show!!! LOL!
(Ok- im shutting up now- coz ive bamboozled myself!!!lol) :D:rolleyes:

[father_pyramid]

Good OP devin. I agree.

[dondaz]

Lottie says it all. Spot on. Believe what you want to believe. The elite are not as powerfull as they would have us believe. Bluff is their game.

Great thread.

[lyliade]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

Damn you must be blind! the truth is that we are slaves!!!!!!!! they live and are amongst us,nagas,greys are here now i see them everyday,they are just disguised as human but when connected with the truth you can see them,they are negative people and they want to destroy human race.

The illuminati elite are reptilian or greys reptilians and if you were right why they are so few people who read these stuff and not all the people.We must be aware of everything around us and ignorancy is a true crime!

[niftygifter]

Damn you must be blind! the truth is that we are slaves!!!!!!!! they live and are amongst us,nagas,greys are here now i see them everyday,they are just disguised as human but when connected with the truth you can see them,they are negative people and they want to destroy human race.

The illuminati elite are reptilian or greys reptilians and if you were right why they are so few people who read these stuff and not all the people.We must be aware of everything around us and ignorancy is a true crime!

Lyliade,
Slow down, do some more research:)
Your at the stage we have all been at, but when you really see a grey, or reptilian, then get a photo and get it posted.

You will be the FIRST. There is absolutely nothing conclusive about any Alien anywhere, let alone in your front room.

It's all supposition, fake movies and very sketchy reports.

Until proven otherwise (emphasis on PROVEN)


Nifty:D

[devin]

Damn you must be blind! the truth is that we are slaves!!!!!!!! they live and are amongst us,nagas,greys are here now i see them everyday,they are just disguised as human but when connected with the truth you can see them,they are negative people and they want to destroy human race.

The illuminati elite are reptilian or greys reptilians and if you were right why they are so few people who read these stuff and not all the people.We must be aware of everything around us and ignorancy is a true crime!

THEN WHY HAVEN'T THEY TAKEN THIS EARTH OVER YET?!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I hear is how advanced they are, how many of them there are, how they completely control us, how they put thoughts in our head, how they poison our food, HOW THEY CONTROL THE WEATHER, I COULD GO ON FOR FUCKING ETERNITY. It doesn't add up! With the tools they supposedly have WE SHOULD BE IN PRISON CAMPS RIGHT NOW!

[niftygifter]

We are in a complete and utter 3D Illusion. A school of learning.
Its a school of learning about how we should be.
Its a school to appreciate what is important in life.
It is a school to teach Love above everything else.
It is a school to learn from others.
It is a school to learn to help each other rather than despise each other.
It is a school to appreciate what we have.
It is a school to accept others.
It is a school to learn to unite.

We are very nearly there:)


Nifty:D

[devin]

We are in a complete and utter 3D Illusion. A school of learning.
Its a school of learning about how we should be.
Its a school to appreciate what is important in life.
It is a school to teach Love above everything else.
It is a school to learn from others.
It is a school to learn to help each other rather than despise each other.
It is a school to appreciate what we have.
It is a school to accept others.
It is a school to learn to unite.

We are very nearly there:)


Nifty:D

A school that gets us to entertain infinite potentials in our minds which therefore shifts us from many different perspectives which then gives us new ideas for what to create.

[niftygifter]

Our NEW World after ascension.


Nifty:cool:

[resistance]

Actually i disagree with this thread, although not 100%, the whole structure of this civilization is built around their vision, their plan is allready in the advanced stages of achieving a new one. I think tu call them weak is tu not know them, they would almost certainly laugh at such comments, take their money and power away from them and true they are weak but is not the oposite true in reality. Is it not more prudent tu speak of our own weakness before we go asureing ourselfs about theirs which quite frankly we no very little about. Also i don't agree with the asumption that they rule the masses with fear, the masses have got nothing tu fear remember, what do they fear? who? fear is a powerfull tool but not as powerfull as not needing tu use it at all.

[cruise4]

"People are really starting to wake up that these researchers either work for them or they are being manipulated by them."

I just want to say I don't agree with this part at all. I think most are genuine and have greatly aided us in waking up to the truth of many things around us.

[zero1]

1) I have long foreseen an agenda to control the "alternative media" via gurus. Whether they know it or not, and I suspect they do and are passively complicit, Icke and Tsarion and all the rest are part of it.

2) Nonetheless, as I've said before, the Conspiracy gurus serve a purpose: their wares contain some truths, half-truths and unfortunatly some lies also. Your duty is to discern for yourself what "fits the bigger picture".

3) The "war" as it is being presented to us can be rationally reduced to "Spirituality vs. Science", but ONLY if you accept their terms and definitions will you participate. @ a higher state of Consciousness, you know where these fundamental aspects of our humanity meet and coalesce.

4) Fact is, no-ones science and no-ones spirituality have common centres, we all have varying beliefs in regards of each and usually distrust the mainstream versions (rightly): however, this is our primary weakness because we are always thus divided, and there to be exploited @ every available opporunity. Fact is, if "truthers" are to unite, it would require a Great Work on the scale of the Conspiracy itself: a united system of Metaphysics and Cosmology which yeilds an ethical basis for progress would be the starting point necessary. But who can provide this?

5) Both perspectives on freewill and determinism work together @ a very high intellectual point: so it matters not whether you believe we are ultimatly FREE or whether you believe we are ultimately NOT FREE. Because you can fight to maintain the freedom you believe we have, or you can fight to reinstate it: matters not, so long as you're prepared to fight.

[lyliade]

Lyliade,
Slow down, do some more research:)
Your at the stage we have all been at, but when you really see a grey, or reptilian, then get a photo and get it posted.

You will be the FIRST. There is absolutely nothing conclusive about any Alien anywhere, let alone in your front room.

It's all supposition, fake movies and very sketchy reports.

Until proven otherwise (emphasis on PROVEN)


Nifty:D

I said i live with one and they are everywhere on this earth ,is that simple enough.it's not a question to be fisrt or last,it's a question about awaking up and receive the truth from the one.
How can you get a photo of someone who is SHAPESHIFTING in the dark,you can take a photo but you should CONNECT YOURSELF with the ONE and you'l see the truth for yourself,i can't help you just to say that they exist and that they are everywhere.OBSERVE everyday people around you,be aware and you'll find something,obeserve everything from the gesture to anything then you'll advance furthermore in your research.

GREYS REPTILIAN AND REPTILIANS AND OTHER RACE ARE AMONGST US FOR A LONG TIME JUST READ MICHEAL tsarion'Books and david icke's one,i don't believe that you even try to read one of their book.Before attempting to argue,read all the books and search and observe around you and you'll discover something weird.

I'm out of this society for a long time,it means i'm disconnected with this dreams ,i'm part of the one like you and everybody else.I'm still partially in this matrix but soon will be free of it.The truth shall set us free forever!

[niftygifter]

I have read them all, I have them all.;)

Just like everyone was fooled by the bible initially I will not be fooled by any books, particularly when they are assumptions based on thoughts, decks of cards and other books:cool:

Its in your heart where the truth lies, nowhere else, no books, DVD's or videos.


Nifty:D

[resistance]

Draconians or not? makes no difference tu me, i couldn't give a monkeys whether they exist or not? changes nothing really does it i would prefer tu concentrate my efforts on facts rather than maybes:confused: fact is the planet is being ruled by dark forces human or not? mentioning reptilians could be a cruel hoax meant tu ridicule the truth, thus putting people off pursuing it, i wouldn't totally discount this theory.

[cruise4]

I do have an overall belief that there is a criminal conspiracy at the top of society. About the only thing I am 98% sure of.

[king]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

Funny how this came in perfect time, when i was thinking abouit it for a few months now.

there is lots of truth in what you are saying.
Recently, I came to pretty much same conclusions as well.

lots of stuff that we hear is just pure psyops.
a lot.

think about it. for example: we were told that elite is spraying us like roaches, with all kind of biological weapons. yes, that may be true from time to time, but let's think logically. if they are doing that -- what is their protection? what is the antidote that they take?
do you really believe that they would risk it?

don't they breathe the same air?

don't they all use cell phones that destroy our brains and our immune system? don't they drive near cell towers? aren't their brains affected by HAARP? Do you see them walking with tinfoil hats?
I am not saying that those things are good, i am just pointing out that they are exposed to some of the things that we are.

How come all that hidden symbolism that is "used to control us" like corporate logos, does not have effect on any of us here? I mean, we can still think our own thoughts, it is not like we wake up one day and say "shit, I got to buy some AOL stocks". Or, "I need to go and kill some people today"

I think that symbolism is blown way out of proportion, purposely. I think that symbolism does not have nearly as much power as we are told. It is most likely used to identify
those who belong to a brotherhood than anything else.

and, Matrix thingy... yes we do live in a matrix, but not all of the matrix is under their control.
you would not be writing this here, nor would i -- if it were so.

I absolutely agree that they do not own all religions and that they infiltrated some of the religions.
I know for fact that they tried infiltration of Christian Orthodox religion numerous times, without success.
That is why they have now unleashed loose Kosovo drug dealers (KLA) who are burning Serbian churches in Kosovo.
Because, if they cannot control something -- that is a threat.
God forbid if other people like Catholics or protestants learn that they have wet bars in Orthodox churches, where is customary to drink alcholol for "good luck" and where priests marry and procreate. How would that make look Vatican's doctrines?

And, even though Islam may have been initially created by PTBs -- they do not own Islam religions now, they went in their own directions that are impossible to control.

And, because those in power are also power grabbers, driven by ego -- how can we be that stupid to believe that they are all in agreement?

Haven't we seen how those who supported Hitler's Germany are different than those supporting U.S. and U.K.?

I too believe that there is a balance between good and evil, and chances are, there is as many good, positive/divine forces as negative forces, if not more.

and to add one more thing, how much do we need to know really about Huxley, Bernard Russel, Galton Darwin and rest of
front men for globalists? Why are all, yes -- all conspiracy researchers spreading fear and despair?

just listen to some of those conspiracy reserchers, you would think that sky is falling, but is it really?

My gut feeling is that "elite" knows that they are fucked, in a long run.
They know that something in mind of men is changing, as man has reached an age when he will either have to grow up and reconnect with his spirit/higher self, or he will perish, and survival dictates former.

in time of every turmoil, men get together, they re-evaluate what they think, what their priorities are and then they make the decisions in what direction will they go.
and, that is the time of great spiritual changes as well.
now, that is dangerous for those in power. that is a wild card

but, PTBs will never, i repeat never understand the heart of a man, they would not understand how his heart ticks and how incredible force is power of love is.
under that power, of love -- all of those fear based tools of the elite are impotent, therefore, in a long run -- those
PTBs that do not know what love is cannot possibly win.

that is why they are trying to distract us, to pervert us, to
make us fearful, to make us look in that other direction where there is no love. that is why they are trying to create a chaos, hoping that we will fall for it, for fear of being imprisoned, for fear of being prosecuted, for fear of loosing our material wealth (that is not ours to begin with) or from fear that big bad Illuminati will exterminate 80 or 90 % of us.

think people think, if i said that i am going to kill 100 of you, and one of you ends up dead -- how long will it be before you
whack me out?

But, i tell you what I would do, if i was "illuminated" and i wanted to scare shit of you;

I'd put out my agents who would tell you about horrible, horrible shit awaiting you, something like this:


Former CIA veteran Robert Baer has suggested that a withdrawal from the possibility of striking Iran could be reversed if a terror attack was to take place in America -


(check the play of words and NLP)

I'd have my people make the docu movies with 'nice' titles as "terrorstorm", "dark secrets from the Bohemian grove" and "Endgame: The Blueprint For Global Enslavement"
just to "cheer you up"... lol

or, i'd make movies of bad aliens that are in bed with government and that are invading us.

or I'd allow (and promote) all of those those that spread the fear. And, heck, I'd push 2012, end of world thing in MSM as well.

I have my people overload you with concentration camps, guillotines, execution trains as the only possible outcome.
Yes, i'd even give you "alternative media" that you would believe is free, because .. stupid me, i could not figure out that internet will be used to bypass my control of information.
Then, because a few of you figured it out, i'd change DARPA logo that described my original intent.

yes, me and my buddies do make mistake, but you believe that we are never making mistakes, because we are ... let me find a scary word her... uhm.. yes, we are "illuminati"
... right big bad, mysterious Illuminati.
And, you would believe that we are somehow superhuman.

and as long as you believe that we exists as we said we do -- less headache for me. you know, it is not easy controlling 6,5 billion of you unpredictable fucks.
you people gave me insomnia

[cruise4]

A school, with lessons and a timetable.
The masters ensure the timetable is followed.
The lessons we undergo are chosen before birth.
And at some point the 'end of school' bell will sound.

Some serious implications here, but that accounts for my 2% doubt.

Surely not???

[devin]

after reading this a couple of times i've to the conclusion that you really don't understand how things work. but in all fairness would you mind explaining to us how you came to all of these conclusions?

lol, yeah I guess your right. I just don't know how anything works. Tell me how things work since your the brilliant one.

my answer to how I came with these conclusions would be very similiar to king's post. read that dude.;)

[kblood]

Yes, I believe there are many secret races living among us or watching over us in some way, but I am very sure that they are much more dependant on us, than we are on them. They are not trying to wipe out the human race, they need us too much. At most they might be trying to keep our numbers low. As it is now, we are way too many to control I believe. If too many wake up, they wont really be able to do much about it.

They are not all with manipulative and evil intentions either, some of them actually help us.

I agree that they have probably had a huge impact on the way we live and how our societies have worked the past 10.000 years on this planet, but I am quite sure that power and control is becomming fragile, allthough they seem to still be managing quite well.

[abrilliantone]

lol, yeah I guess your right. I just don't know how anything works. Tell me how things work since your the brilliant one.

my answer to how I came with these conclusions would be very similiar to king's post. read that dude.;)

i did read king's post and afterwards i must say i now feel the same way. thanks for starting this thread bud :) see the illuminati knows that we create our own reality. so it's all about swaying consciousness into their favor.

[kblood]

Another thing that has annoyed me a bit, is how many points out all the "Illuminati" symbolism in movies... and this is supposed to make the movies intend to brainwash us? Or is it just that the ones who made the movie knows about this stuff and thought it would be a cool thing to put into them? F.ex. would an anti Illuminati movie not use symbolism as well?

And in truth, are the Illuminati not begging to be figured out? How "secret" are they really when we think about it? Seems to me that a list could be made with quite a few of who is Illuminati or at least Mason today.

[edit]

?because... ...because you will be still understood even without adding them.
EGO
S an e-Go
S-Elf,
:cool:
but.. who is them?
Me? MeSelf and I?Funny how this came in perfect time, when i was thinking abouit it for a few months now.

there is lots of truth in what you are saying.
Recently, I came to pretty much same conclusions as well.

lots of stuff that we hear is just pure psyops.
a lot.

think about it. for example: we were told that elite is spraying us like roaches, with all kind of biological weapons. yes, that may be true from time to time, but let's think logically.....
.
.
i'd even give you "alternative media" that you would believe is free, because .. stupid me, i could not figure out that internet will be used to bypass my control of information.
Then, because a few of you figured it out, i'd change DARPA logo that described my original intent.[/B]

yes, me and my buddies do make mistake, but you believe that we are never making mistakes, because we are ... let me find a scary word her... uhm.. yes, we are "illuminati"
... right big bad, mysterious Illuminati.
And, you would believe that we are somehow superhuman.

and as long as you believe that we exists as we said we do -- less headache for me. you know, it is not easy controlling 6,5 billion of you unpredictable fucks.
you people gave me insomnia (...)There needs to be a process of discrimination as to what ‘body’ is expressing which ray. For example, you may have Ray 7 for the physical, Ray 6 for the astral, or Ray 4 for the mental. You could be a Ray 2 soul with a Ray 3 personality, so these five Rays would constitute your ‘Ray Structure’.
(..)

Ray 1
Will or
Power

Vices: Ruthless, hard, cold, proud, arrogant, ambitious, tyrannical, cruel, controlling.

Ray 2

Love
Wisdom


Vices: Coldness, indifference, self pity, fear, love of being loved, personal wisdom.

Ray 3

Active
Intelligence


Vices: Intellectual pride, devious, scheming, inaccuracy, obstinacy, critical, busyness.

Ray 4

Harmony
through
Conflict


Vices: Worrier, inaccuracy, self-centeredness, cowardice, extravagance, mood swings.

Ray 5

Concrete
Science


Vices: Narrowness, harsh criticism, lack of sympathy, arrogant, proud, prejudice, cold.

Ray 6

Devotion
Idealism


Vices: Selfish, jealous, sentimental, deceptive, fiery anger, narrow, sectarian, fanatical.

Ray 7

Ceremonial
Order


Vices: Formalism, bigotry, pride, opinionated, superficial judgements, narrowness.
This may take a while, and one method is to ‘try a ray on’ for a month or so, observing yourself and others in your environment.

The rays are also dual in expression, hence the following tabulation:
EA%20Essays/ (http://www.esotericastrologer.org/EA%20Essays/EAintro.htm)
(Note the planetary rulers below can be applied to types A & B)

KoHum (Sk. KoHam=WhoamI)
I am Me

Me is We ( mirrored, of course)

I am You, 2
So... I and You is One
So...The One IS -- We and We -- The One is -->
HE
Hum (Sk. Ham = He)
So...KoHam=SoHam
or SoHum
Arabic Pronouns Hum( Hun) is THEM
them=ana=ANU=Atom=microcosm='et(Hebrew)=maleandfem aleADAM=HUMANITY__or sympli=ETor--8
Them = the Para-Aatma (Supersoul)
You = Antun (when you talk to 3 females or more). They = Hum (when you talk about 3 males or more, or one male and the 2 females or more). They = Hun (when you talk about 3 females or more).

* Some subject pronouns take an extra vowel at the end when they’re followed by other words, to make the pronunciation smooth and easy, just like when you add an “n” to the indefinite article “a” to some words, “an umbrella” instead of “a umbrella” to make it easier to pronounce, same thing in Arabic, we add either “u” or “a” to many words to make them go in harmony with other words following them, we will go through that later, but for now you can keep using the articles without these vowels especially because you will be still understood even without adding them.



Arabic Object Pronouns:

Object pronouns in Arabic are me, you, him, her, us, you (plural) and come after a verb; In Arabic they’re as follows:

>> ana+I+anta+you+nahnu+we+them+in+arabic+is (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TksQdetFo-EJ:arabic.speak7.com/arabic_pronouns.htm+ana+I+anta+you+nahnu+we+them+i n+arabic+is&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Brahma_Halebid.jpg/275px-Brahma_Halebid.jpg
Brahma=Live/Life=Hum(Ham)
Haha..........................Brahma - Wikipedia
Aum............................................... ............http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Aum.png/80px-Aum.pngBrahmā is often identified with Prajapati, a Vedic deity.(Sk.Ved=KnowlEdge)

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markusmaximus
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12/7/2007 1:27 PM

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WHY, since God is supposedly striving to bring things back to his/her original purpose, which included NEVER DYING, does his/her promise now REQUIRE dying???(to get to "heaven")

discuss
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Fear and Ignorance are Reciprocal.


Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
12/7/2007 1:30 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote

Hmmm. Very interesting indeed.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 139833
12/7/2007 1:32 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


WHY, since God is supposedly striving to bring things back to his/her original purpose, which included NEVER DYING, does his/her promise now REQUIRE dying???(to get to "heaven")

discuss
Quoting: markusmaximus


I think what they are doing is working on bringing
Heaven to Earth.. Heaven.2

markusmaximus
User ID: 148742
12/7/2007 1:33 PM
Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


WHY, since God is supposedly striving to bring things back to his/her original purpose, which included NEVER DYING, does his/her promise now REQUIRE dying???(to get to "heaven")

discuss


I think what they are doing is working on bringing
Heaven to Earth.. Heaven.2
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 139833


nice try. except that's not what they think. it's about "going up to heaven" because "god called em back," even though they were never there in the first place, and weren't ever supposed to be there because they were to be on earth and live without dying...
Fear and Ignorance are Reciprocal.

impetigo
User ID: 235206
12/7/2007 1:35 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote

flesh and blood (mortals) cannot
get into heaven.

markusmaximus
User ID: 148742
12/7/2007 1:38 PM
Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


flesh and blood (mortals) cannot
get into heaven.
Quoting: impetigo 235206


well, if you were never supposed to die, therefore preventing your "spirit or soul" floating up to heaven, how did god intend for you to get there???????????

and when a "resurrection" happens, what does he do??? rip you OUT of heaven and plummet you BACK to earth???
Fear and Ignorance are Reciprocal.

Eve_4000Bc
User ID: 314251
12/7/2007 1:38 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote

Eve ate the fruit and tempted Adam. Not only did that unleash sin it provided the both of them to know wrong from right. It opened a whole new bag of worms for themselves and any human there after them. They were perfect. The were born with no sin. They were going to have everlasting life, but eating the fruit changed all of that. Including ever lasting life.

markusmaximus
User ID: 148742
12/7/2007 1:39 PM
Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


Eve ate the fruit and tempted Adam. Not only did that unleash sin it provided the both of them to know wrong from right. It opened a whole new bag of worms for themselves and any human there after them. They were perfect. The were born with no sin. They were going to have everlasting life, but eating the fruit changed all of that. Including ever lasting life.
Quoting: Eve_4000Bc


and when a "resurrection" happens, what does he do??? rip you OUT of heaven and plummet you BACK to earth???
___________________
Fear and Ignorance are Reciprocal.

Eve_4000Bc
User ID: 314251
12/7/2007 1:44 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote

no. An angel just kicks you hard out of heaven and you end up landing in some lady's womb.Reincarnation and even existing in heaven allows us to do different jobs. For example in human form I may be a nurse or a fireman. When I die there's a different job. I may stand at the gate of Heaven and welcome people. Whatever the job may be. By dying or even reincarnating we as humans souls rotate jobs in existence. After the fruit we were also mentally able to handle that as well. Before the fruit of knowledge we weren't so apt.

impetigo
User ID: 235206
12/7/2007 1:45 PM Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote

Adam and Eve would have lived
forever, except for the original
sin, which made them mortal.

When people (christians die) their
souls go back to God/heaven. At the
resurrection, their souls will be
joined with a indestructable body that is
immortal.

markusmaximus
User ID: 148742
12/7/2007 1:45 PM
Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


no. An angel just kicks you hard out of heaven and you end up landing in some lady's womb.Reincarnation and even existing in heaven allows us to do different jobs. For example in human form I may be a nurse or a fireman. When I die there's a different job. I may stand at the gate of Heaven and welcome people. Whatever the job may be. By dying or even reincarnating we as humans souls rotate jobs in existence. After the fruit we were also mentally able to handle that as well. Before the fruit of knowledge we weren't so apt.
Quoting: Eve_4000Bc


nice fairy tale!!!

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Fear and Ignorance are Reciprocal.

markusmaximus
User ID: 148742
12/7/2007 1:46 PM
Re: So, if ADAM and EVE were the original plan (EVERLASTING LIFE)... Quote


Adam and Eve would have lived
forever, except for the original
sin, which made them mortal.

When people (christians die) their
souls go back to God/heaven. At the
resurrection, their souls will be
joined with a indestructable body that is
immortal.
Quoting: impetigo 235206



And removed from HEAVEN?? sucks for the heaven crowd.

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www.kalihamsa.nl/ (http://www.kalihamsa.nl/)
http://www.reikihamsa.nl/images/150px-Yin_yang.gif
Wat betekent Hamsa . (http://www.reikihamsa.nl/WatBetekentHamsa.htm)
HAMSA=All is I
I=You=We&We=Eye-of-Brahma=
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[abrilliantone]

another thing i just thought of. it's like in that movie " the skeleton key " the only way that their voodoo worked was for the person to believed that it worked. if they didn't believe then it would've had no effect. that's the same formula that they use on us. have us believe that things are a certain way and * poof * things are that way. that's why the news is a important tool for them.

[devin]

i did read king's post and afterwards i must say i now feel the same way. thanks for starting this thread bud :) see the illuminati knows that we create our own reality. so it's all about swaying consciousness into their favor.

I think what we need to do now is not only choose much higher thoughts but we also need to give WAY more credence to our thoughts... because that is a thought as well. The more you know that your thoughts and the emotions that go with them create reality the more powerful the thoughts will be and therefore the quicker those thoughts will manifest.

[kblood]

another thing i just thought of. it's like in that movie " the skeleton key " the only way that their voodoo worked was for the person to believed that it worked. if they didn't believe then it would've had no effect. that's the same formula that they use on us. have us believe that things are a certain way and * poof * things are that way. that's why the news is a important tool for them.

Yep, alot of truth about what is the real workings behind magic in that movie :) The core of it as I see it.

[edit]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.demmmn........http://dailydingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/n_amywinehouse.jpgI just smoked rock
Re: I just smoked rock. Ask me a question bitch. (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message471996/pg1)...

Are you friends with Amy Winehouse?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 322394

Luv da bitch.

[edit]

... the great god who creates life ...
http://r4bid.net/i_rabbit/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Avalokiteshvara.jpg

[zero1]

... the great god who creates life ...
http://r4bid.net/i_rabbit/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Avalokiteshvara.jpg

Buddha! The greatest teacher mankind ever had, bar none! And the stupid a**holes who followed him in later centuries buggered up his Dharma with misinterpretations and lies, creating the Christian model of religion...oh well, we still have those lovely images of him sitting meditatiing in asanas and stuff, which is always inspiring! :)

[devin]

what are you trying to accomplish edit?

[tinmenace]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.



Interesting. What do you base all this on?

[devin]

Interesting. What do you base all this on?







How else could those in power keep you under control other than the things I listed at the bottom?

[tinmenace]

How else could those in power keep you under control other than the things I listed at the bottom?

Oh, you're surmising. I thought you had something real for us to look at.

No problem. Thanks anyway...

[devin]

Oh, you're surmising. I thought you had something real for us to look at.

No problem. Thanks anyway...



oh no honey, no surmising here. I know... but I'm very interested... what have you looked at on the internet that is real?

[resistance]

Oh, you're surmising. I thought you had something real for us to look at.

No problem. Thanks anyway...



surmise; tu infer something from incomplete or uncertain evidence, namely just another idea from the many others that are formed on hear say or asumption. well said their tinmenace, anyway i'm off tu listen tu prince fari...

[resistance]

luv this track:)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pru2CqLXWoI

[tinmenace]

...well said their tinmenace...

Thanks sweetie. Any recent photos of that cutie in your avatar?

[resistance]

Hi, yer may have a few but have not had the time tu put them on my pc, i will put them on the pets section sum time shortly, take care:)

[steevo]

Does anyone know the name of the tactic where someone tells you half truths ? Is there a name for it ?

[resistance]

Does anyone know the name of the tactic where someone tells you half truths ? Is there a name for it ?

yer fuckin LIES!

[lottie]

yer fuckin LIES!

LOL- yeah i was gonna say 'deception'!!:D

[ak87]

'They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.'

I am not confused at all, or at least wasn't until, you began to confuse me. Need some EVIDENCE and FACTS for what you are saying. I'm not saying you are wrong but you can't expect us all to believe you BLINDLY can you?

There 's a lot of EVIDENCE to support the theory that they are very powerful and do have a lot of control. But where's the evidence against it?

[kblood]

'They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.'

1. I am not confused at all, or at least wasn't until, you began to confuse me. Need some EVIDENCE and FACTS for what you are saying. I'm not saying you are wrong but you can't expect us all to believe you BLINDLY can you?

2. Most of it is actually quite common tactics for say, coffin nail lobbyiests. If there is something that needs to be less scary, then make it confusing. Make sure they are not certain that cigarettes are unhealthy and can cause cancer. When it comes to f.ex. wanting to make people feel that microchipping is needed, then let some kidnappings and massacres happen, maybe even make them happen. Then they will be indirectly promoting microchipping.

3. As for the mistrusting ETs, well, many sources say that there are several kinds of ETs and they are likely to disagree (at least according to sources at Project Camelot). So it can be assumed that the ones trying to control us might as well want us to fear them all, instead of potentially getting in contact with other kinds of aliens, and figure out exactly what they are doing. Problem is other aliens does not seem to want to be found, or at least be officially in contact with us.

4. An about spirituality, as I see it, yes, they want/need us to be indoctrined into religions or beliefs that are more deception than truth, and therefore inefficient to reach ascension.

About the 5th one, I think it is rather that they do not want us to reach higher levels of conciousness, that would allow us to be as much in control as them, and therefore more freely have the choice not to be controlled. Maybe also to keep us from astral travelling.

[resistance]

'They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.'

I am not confused at all, or at least wasn't until, you began to confuse me. Need some EVIDENCE and FACTS for what you are saying. I'm not saying you are wrong but you can't expect us all to believe you BLINDLY can you?

There 's a lot of EVIDENCE to support the theory that they are very powerful and do have a lot of control. But where's the evidence against it?

I agree, but of coarse at the same time we don't need tu live our lives in fear;) one thing we need tu remember is that many of these elites are treacherous by nature (not all) and may be unconsciously plotting their own demise, time is the master.

[ak87]

I agree, but of coarse at the same time we don't need tu live our lives in fear;) one thing we need tu remember is that many of these elites are treacherous by nature (not all) and may be unconsciously plotting their own demise, time is the master.

Of course Im not trying to scare people, but we need to have a sense of what's real in this world, what is happening around us, and where world events are heading The evidence currently supports the fact that we are moving more swiftly than ever towards a third world war with the US on the verge of attacking iran, all it needs is a trigger, like the assasination of franz ferdinand which kick-started WW1. This time I think the trigger will be a nuclear attack on the US. We as human beings who know whats going on CANNOT afford to sit back and say that they will create their own downfall, which they very well may, but we cannot be sure, and so we must do our best to ACTIVELY bring them down!

[steevo]

Well if that's the case then I would say it is happening to a lot of other people too. I didn't listen (or even know) about Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Tsarion, Swerdlow, Peter Farley, Icke etc... 2 years a go but I'll bet anything they were much more respected back then. People are really starting to wake up that these researchers either work for them or they are being manipulated by them.

I disagree with this.

[octopusrex]

I tend to agree with most of this post. There is no "signle" mafia running things from some secret base in the abyss or something like that. There's a chaotic mesh of interests and ignorance and there's some folks who get pass the ignorance in their own lives to help others.

The masons, all the secret agencies, the illuminati.. Maybe there's a few out there, but we are SIX BILLION HUMAN BEINGS and counting, so their impact is negligible in the real mix of things, and mostly, these secret gropus do not cooperate with each other, they try to destory each other, because it boils down to competing interests..

MY CABAL is better than YOUR CABAL type of thing.

Now, there ARE some seriously powerful people and beings out there. Met a few along the way personally, so I know they are real. But again, the real impact of these folks is not even to the level of say.. a few volcanic eruptions.. or the black plague. That is more the stuff of chaos: randomness, novlety and .. whatever happens that happens. Humans are a chaotic bunch.

Bringing order to them might be impossible. Then again, we are just one viral-strain away from bringing order, aren't we? I mean.. The fewer humans, the more orderly you can make them.

BTW. ALL the intelligence agencies are into the same game: monopoly of the use of force. This might be a huge pipe-dream because we don't know what forces outside of our control are out there... Consider rats. Simple rats blew away most of europe and nobody really controlled that, did they?

Although it might be possible that SOMEBODY knew how to treat bubonic plague back then and simply decided it was in their best interests not to tell anybody. THAT might be a real thing... Don't think I would like to meet somebody like that though.. Colder than ice!

[kblood]

I do not agree that Icke or the other conspiracy researchers are all wrong either. They probably arent completely on the point either, but who is?

What I am trying to say is that even though they are right, then it still only takes a change of perspective to see that it doesnt make the world an evil place at all. There are powerfull people working for the good of the world as well, and I am baffled that so many fail to see that overall good seems to outshine the evil by far. Maybe if we got reduced to below 3 billion people and 90% of us live lives of almost complete suffering, that might convince me otherwise... but so far, it seems to me that people saying we are living in an evil world due to Illuminati, reptiles, secret agencies and aliens are just whining and doesnt see the greater picture of it.

It of course is not all wrong to say that the world is evil, but that just doesnt make evil the governing factor. From my perspective, and the way I have come to view the world, a journey towards a greater good seems inevitable. It is more about how long we let outselves hold it back, or let others hold us back.

[danucrom]

It's a bluff. Sit back , sip on hot apple cider and you will feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The people that control your life are weak and confused, forget about them, friendly aliens will save the day.
:rolleyes:

[devin]

It's a bluff. Sit back , sip on hot apple cider and you will feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The people that control your life are weak and confused, forget about them, friendly aliens will save the day.
:rolleyes:

When it's all said and done, I promise I won't say "I told you so." Though I will be tempted.

[danucrom]

When it's all said and done, I promise I won't say "I told you so." Though I will be tempted.

You seem very sure that you won't say "I told you so" (though you could be tempted :rolleyes:). Thats fine, I have no problem with that. Do you really think "when it's all said and done" we will all be posting on the Icke forum?. As vagueness seems to be your modus operandi I wonder if I will get a straight answer.

[devin]

You seem very sure that you won't say "I told you so" (though you could be tempted :rolleyes:). Thats fine, I have no problem with that. Do you really think "when it's all said and done" we will all be posting on the Icke forum?. As vagueness seems to be your modus operandi I wonder if I will get a straight answer.

I see you like to roll your eyes a lot. I wasn't thinking about the Icke forum by the way. Please don't respond to this... if you want to waste my time then PM me but don't litter this thread anymore with your chit-chat. Go to the "photos thread" and mess around there... or actually discuss my original message and why you disagree.

[danucrom]

I see you like to roll your eyes a lot. I wasn't thinking about the Icke forum by the way. Please don't respond to this... if you want to waste my time then PM me but don't litter this thread anymore with your chit-chat. Go to the "photos thread" and mess around there... or actually discuss my original message and why you disagree.

I am so sorry to bother you and your mind blowing thread with my nonsensical "chit-chat", my sincere apologies! (Instead of the roll Eyes emoticon that you seem to dislike I have inserted this quip):).
To be honest with you, I agreed with many of the points in your original message, but I disagree with your down playing of the elite. The past proves that "the few" that control the majority's life and direction do not play a bluff hand, through many means "the few" have control over the vast majority, there is no question about it.

[devin]

I am so sorry to bother you and your mind blowing thread with my nonsensical "chit-chat", my sincere apologies! (Instead of the roll Eyes emoticon that you seem to dislike I have inserted this quip):).
To be honest with you, I agreed with many of the points in your original message, but I disagree with your down playing of the elite. The past proves that "the few" that control the majority's life and direction do not play a bluff hand, through many means "the few" have control over the majority, there is no question about it.

The majority is scared. That's how it is done. When you are in a group of a few thousand trying to control six billion you have to scare them into submission... there really is no other way. So, if you are the elite, what do you do about the people who don't want to play your game? You hire researchers that tell them they are reptilians that eat humans and all this other nonsense. Notice how I said "the elite are not aliens any more than you are." I am not dismissing that their heritage is from elsewhere (yours maybe is as well).

I'm going to sleep... talk to you later. Sorry for what I said earlier. :)

[abhie]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

Good post!
However , I'd rather "BELIEVE HALF, THROW THE OTHER HALF" , which is my basic motto for all conspiracy research.

>'They' ARE powerful,
>probably have deep ancient roots,
> are most likely united across a broad swatch of the global power spectrum.

BUT,

> Maybe not.
Humans , as you know from experience will never unite wholly, and for a long time. I dont agree with The Unhived Mind, ( Craig Oxley - 2Tuff) that there's ONE MOST POWERFUL man in the world. It never is that way with humans.
There's always plotting, mutiny, strife, view points, dis-agreements.

So you can trash that view that 'THEY' are ALL POWERFULL.

Consider this:
IF they were ALL POWERFUL , why would they continue to use the media , especially TV to monitor and guide your mind thoughts? Its becos they KNOW that they AREN"T in TOTAL CONTROL!!
Which is why the need to MAINTAIN control!

But never under - estimate the enemy.
At the same time don't believe that they are overly powerful.
Remember the human spirit is very strong.
We are powerful warriors ,. like in Sparta,
we built huge buildings, the pyramids.
Our spirit is too powerful for them to keep totally under control.
So they HAVE to do the daily maintainance part of keeping us down.

So , part of what you said, Devin is right. But only half of it.
Its not ALL psy-ops, they are powerful, not that much.


We are in a complete and utter 3D Illusion. A school of

learning.
Its a school of learning about how we should be.
Its a school to appreciate what is important in life.
It is a school to teach Love above everything else.
It is a school to learn from others.
It is a school to learn to help each other rather than despise each other.
It is a school to appreciate what we have.
It is a school to accept others.
It is a school to learn to unite.

We are very nearly there:)

Nifty:D

I wouldn't believe the complete 3D illusion part.
Our brains are more powerful than the creators of the illusion you and Icke speak of. You are missing out on one important point>
The fact that our mind is CREATIVE. We can create/alter our own realities.
Again, that goes only half the way, as manifestation only goes HALF The way. There are other factors that play into reality as you know it.

You CAN change your '3D ILLUSION" to a certain extent.
You can also make some new rules.


Another thing that has annoyed me a bit, is how many points out all the "Illuminati" symbolism in movies... and this is supposed to make the movies intend to brainwash us? Or is it just that the ones who made the movie knows about this stuff and thought it would be a cool thing to put into them? F.ex. would an anti Illuminati movie not use symbolism as well?
And in truth, are the Illuminati not begging to be figured out? How "secret" are they really when we think about it? Seems to me that a list could be made with quite a few of who is Illuminati or at least Mason today.

Symbolism is a powerful language of the mind.
Symbols adress the subconscious mind directly.

They could still keep the secret of their symbols, had it not been for the internet. Maybe they slipped, and are regretting it?

Also, have you ever thought of anything happening to 'them' if you were to turn their symbols upside down?? Symbols are also the language of your dreams. Images that represent things.


another thing i just thought of. it's like in that movie " the skeleton key " the only way that their voodoo worked was for the person to believed that it worked. if they didn't believe then it would've had no effect. that's the same formula that they use on us. have us believe that things are a certain way and * poof * things are that way. that's why the news is a important tool for them.

Absolutely! Its your mind that creates and gives them the energy.
Now YOU KNOW they arent in total control of you!!



I tend to agree with most of this post. There is no "signle" mafia running things from some secret base in the abyss or something like that. There's a chaotic mesh of interests and ignorance and there's some folks who get pass the ignorance in their own lives to help others.
The masons, all the secret agencies, the illuminati.. Maybe there's a few out there, but we are SIX BILLION HUMAN BEINGS and counting, so their impact is negligible in the real mix of things, and mostly, these secret gropus do not cooperate with each other, they try to destory each other, because it boils down to competing interests..
MY CABAL is better than YOUR CABAL type of thing.
Now, there ARE some seriously powerful people and beings out there. Met a few along the way personally, so I know they are real. But again, the real impact of these folks is not even to the level of say.. a few volcanic eruptions.. or the black plague. That is more the stuff of chaos: randomness, novlety and .. whatever happens that happens. Humans are a chaotic bunch.
Bringing order to them might be impossible. Then again, we are just one viral-strain away from bringing order, aren't we? I mean.. The fewer humans, the more orderly you can make them.BTW. ALL the intelligence agencies are into the same game: monopoly of the use of force.

This might be a huge pipe-dream because we don't know what forces outside of our control are out there... Consider rats. Simple rats blew away most of europe and nobody really controlled that, did they?
Although it might be possible that SOMEBODY knew how to treat bubonic plague back then and simply decided it was in their best interests not to tell anybody. THAT might be a real thing... Don't think I would like to meet somebody like that though.. Colder than ice!

True! Humans could never be kept under total secrecy or control. Traitors and rebels abound. Whats good for us is good for them. Like I mentioned , you can ignore the single great and powerful cabal that rules the world.
They can always be brought down by the human spirit and energy.


Having said that, my view on the whole experience of conspiracy talk and research is simply this:


> There could be an alien negative force out there, invisible to our human eyes, that could be manipulating us for thier own agenda.
The key universal prize here is : ENERGY.
It is they that manipulate the dumb greedy humans under their spell.

There exists absolutely no proof of this, but we as humans need to trouble shoot our existence here on this planet. Thinking on these alien lines, can only make us so much more powerful.


TROUBLE SHOOT!!

But don't believe, even for a second you don't have a chance to overcome them!!
You are much too powerfull for that!

If you believe that they are too powerful for you, their work becomes a milk run.
If you oppose them , 'their' job becomes all the more difficult.
The choice of being mind-controlled , or mind - free is ours.

[king]

another thing i just thought of. it's like in that movie " the skeleton key " the only way that their voodoo worked was for the person to believed that it worked. if they didn't believe then it would've had no effect. that's the same formula that they use on us. have us believe that things are a certain way and * poof * things are that way. that's why the news is a important tool for them.


i also believe this, that if we do believe in something -- only, then they can have power over us.

when i was still in 'sleep' (some 10 or more years ago) I used to believe the shit that i have heard or have seen in media.
therefore, "they" had the power over me.

now, when i occasionally watch TV or read papers I laugh on what their media is peddling, because i know what they are trying to achieve, and what ricks they are using.

in a sense, when you are awakened -- you know how magician plays his tricks, therefore magician has no power over you anylonger.

[abhie]

i also believe this, that if we do believe in something -- only, then they can have power over us.

when i was still in 'sleep' (some 10 or more years ago) I used to believe the shit that i have heard or have seen in media.
therefore, "they" had the power over me.

now, when i occasionally watch TV or read papers I laugh on what their media is peddling, because i know what they are trying to achieve, and what ricks they are using.

in a sense, when you are awakened -- you know how magician plays his tricks, therefore magician has no power over you anylonger.

Very true!
People who have spent a few many years in conspiracy are aware of this.

The next step would be the fight back up, where we belong.

No longer wondering what is true or false, but to develop a strategic mind attitude , that seeks the truth, and develop skill and resources to establish a truly free Human society, ruled by love and not fear.

There was an excellent thread in GLP, that points to the start of this:
Secrets of the System.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message388504/pg1

Then where does this savage "Authority" come from?

It comes only from threat, coercion, the illusion of "I am more powerful than you" and the gun. Punishment exists for what you do not do. The Queen of England, the legal owner of the Plantation of the UNITED STATES, INC., considers Americans as "slaves" and you have no part or have no say in the Constitution of the UNITED STATES, INC. This name must be in capital letters to be legal. On any legal document, your name must also be in capital letters for you to become a legal entity, doing legal "work" for the Corporation. This means that you become a legal wage-slave rather than a illegal wage-slave. It is also important to notice that the new illusionary Corporate name, UNITED STATES, INC., is only slightly different from the old names.


.

[mountain]

Good post!
However , I'd rather "BELIEVE HALF, THROW THE OTHER HALF" , which is my basic motto for all conspiracy research.

>'They' ARE powerful,
>probably have deep ancient roots,
> are most likely united across a broad swatch of the global power spectrum.

BUT,

> Maybe not.
Humans , as you know from experience will never unite wholly, and for a long time. I dont agree with The Unhived Mind, ( Craig Oxley - 2Tuff) that there's ONE MOST POWERFUL man in the world. It never is that way with humans.
There's always plotting, mutiny, strife, view points, dis-agreements.

So you can trash that view that 'THEY' are ALL POWERFULL.

Consider this:
IF they were ALL POWERFUL , why would they continue to use the media , especially TV to monitor and guide your mind thoughts? Its becos they KNOW that they AREN"T in TOTAL CONTROL!!
Which is why the need to MAINTAIN control!

But never under - estimate the enemy.
At the same time don't believe that they are overly powerful.
Remember the human spirit is very strong.
We are powerful warriors ,. like in Sparta,
we built huge buildings, the pyramids.
Our spirit is too powerful for them to keep totally under control.
So they HAVE to do the daily maintainance part of keeping us down.

So , part of what you said, Devin is right. But only half of it.
Its not ALL psy-ops, they are powerful, not that much.




I wouldn't believe the complete 3D illusion part.
Our brains are more powerful than the creators of the illusion you and Icke speak of. You are missing out on one important point>
The fact that our mind is CREATIVE. We can create/alter our own realities.
Again, that goes only half the way, as manifestation only goes HALF The way. There are other factors that play into reality as you know it.

You CAN change your '3D ILLUSION" to a certain extent.
You can also make some new rules.




Symbolism is a powerful language of the mind.
Symbols adress the subconscious mind directly.

They could still keep the secret of their symbols, had it not been for the internet. Maybe they slipped, and are regretting it?

Also, have you ever thought of anything happening to 'them' if you were to turn their symbols upside down?? Symbols are also the language of your dreams. Images that represent things.




Absolutely! Its your mind that creates and gives them the energy.
Now YOU KNOW they arent in total control of you!!





True! Humans could never be kept under total secrecy or control. Traitors and rebels abound. Whats good for us is good for them. Like I mentioned , you can ignore the single great and powerful cabal that rules the world.
They can always be brought down by the human spirit and energy.


Having said that, my view on the whole experience of conspiracy talk and research is simply this:


> There could be an alien negative force out there, invisible to our human eyes, that could be manipulating us for thier own agenda.
The key universal prize here is : ENERGY.
It is they that manipulate the dumb greedy humans under their spell.

There exists absolutely no proof of this, but we as humans need to trouble shoot our existence here on this planet. Thinking on these alien lines, can only make us so much more powerful.


TROUBLE SHOOT!!

But don't believe, even for a second you don't have a chance to overcome them!!
You are much too powerfull for that!

If you believe that they are too powerful for you, their work becomes a milk run.
If you oppose them , 'their' job becomes all the more difficult.
The choice of being mind-controlled , or mind - free is ours.

Thank You!! ;):);):):cool:

[abhie]

This is an excellent thread, and Im bookmarking it for future reference.

Its like the time you reach a boundary, and you know you have come to the end of one, and the beginning of another.

[kblood]

About the symbolism in movies, what I also meant was that if you look long enough, there will be Illuminati symbols in probably all movies, but are they all really intended for that?

I am quite sure we researchers are sometimes overdoing it. If we look for it everywhere, it is more likely that we will find it everywhere. It will then also be likely that we find it in more places than it actually is.

[mountain]

About the symbolism in movies, what I also meant was that if you look long enough, there will be Illuminati symbols in probably all movies, but are they all really intended for that?

I am quite sure we researchers are sometimes overdoing it. If we look for it everywhere, it is more likely that we will find it everywhere. It will then also be likely that we find it in more places than it actually is.

You are soooo right, Kblood! I own over 300 movies on DVD and probably have seen about 15,000 plus. There is certainly symbolism in all of them cept maybe one I have come across. :D

Most of it is blatant though I think and deliberate, and could be very positive, who knows?!

[lottie]

About the symbolism in movies, what I also meant was that if you look long enough, there will be Illuminati symbols in probably all movies, but are they all really intended for that?

I am quite sure we researchers are sometimes overdoing it. If we look for it everywhere, it is more likely that we will find it everywhere. It will then also be likely that we find it in more places than it actually is.

LOL- this reminds me- i watched an old episode of harry enfield n chums last night and the sketch with 'tim nice but dim' was on it- he was at a 'posh party' and in the background was a white pyramid statue on a dresser a white swan in the door frame ledge and on the mantlepiece two really obtrusive large white obelisks.....to me i saw it straight away but who put those there and why? because they know that the so-called 'elite' use these symbols? or was this 'just coincidence'? i mean 'harry enfield'? 'in on it'? works two-fold, subliminally it goes in to our subconscious and secondly i think the set designers know the elite use these symbols and put them in there to take the piss!
who knows???

[rossus]

Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
these "higher beings" have been around for long time,
pagans all over the world use to take a lot of mushrooms and worship them.

wether you call them spirits, or aliens like terence mckenna... i don't think they are to be trusted.
many people get seriously fucked up or if they are lucky... merely delusioned... because they were messing around with these so called "higher beings".

i'll never let any spirit take possesion of me...
because that is what channeling is... a spirit speaks with your own mind and voice....
just as if you would be the one speaking.

i don't think the people have any clue what is really going on when channeling these beings.
they just take what these "beings" tell them for granted.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15368

[viginti tres]

There will be no "false" alien invasion. We will have contact and they are benevolent.
The elite are not aliens any more than you are.
They did not create the matrix without our help.
The matrix is not nearly as sophisticated as their researchers tell you it is.
Their subliminal messages do not have as much of an affect as their researchers tell you they do.
They are not as pervasive as their researchers tell you they are.
Darkness has not consumed this planet for as long as they say it has.
They are not NEARLY as cooperative with each other and like-minded as their researchers tell you they are.
It is not as simple as them vs. us.... not even close.
There will be no anti-christ that comes. The higher beings that are here and will come are here to help.
They are not as technologically advanced as their researchers tell you they are.
Ancient symbolism is not evil.
Many religions were not corrupted by them from the start (or created by them.) They were corrupted later on.
WE ARE NOT A SLAVE RACE as their researchers tell us.
Channeling higher beings is not the government projecting those messages in your heads as some of their researchers tell us.
Occult practices are neither evil or good.
They did not create the hippie movement in the 60's. They infiltrated it later on. (They always take credit for these types of things to make them seem like they are all-powerful.)
There are plenty teachings on spirituality out there that are not NEW AGE garbage like many of their researchers tell us.





They hired researchers to...
1. Scare you
2. Confuse you
3. Mistrust higher beings, E.T.s, fellow humans... everybody and everything.
4. Make you dismiss all spirituality as New Age garbage.
5. Keep you in their world.

I disagree.

Nothing beats first hand experience, you can read and believe whatever you want, it is when you are confronted with the reality of the situation that the veil lifts.

I'd love to hear you tell this to my mate Gary (if he were still alive that is, which indeed he may be but I doubt it) that was taken from his house by suits for seeing something he wasn't supposed to, that was over 6 years ago and I and his wife havn't heard from him since.....but its all okay maybe hes just on vacation. Its so easy to sit back and discredit the power they have when you have no experience of it.........do something they don't like, and I mean something substantial and see what happens.

Oh thats right I'm not telling the truth I'm fearmongering.

these "higher beings" have been around for long time,
pagans all over the world use to take a lot of mushrooms and worship them.

wether you call them spirits, or aliens like terence mckenna... i don't think they are to be trusted.
many people get seriously fucked up messing around with these so called "higher beings".

i'll never let any spirit take possesion of me...
because that is what channeling is... a spirit speaks with your own mind and voice....
just as if you would be the one speaking.

i don't think the people have any clue what is really going on when channeling these beings.
they just take what these "beings" tell them for granted.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15368

I agree with this.

I've seen a few channelings and I must say that not one of them had a pleasant energy, they were always cold, cryptic and sometimes scarry.

My advice is don't mess around with that world, or do, it's your life do whatever you like.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[devin]

I disagree.

Nothing beats first hand experience, you can read and believe whatever you want, it is when you are confronted with the reality of the situation that the veil lifts.

I'd love to hear you tell this to my mate Gary (if he were still alive that is, which indeed he may be but I doubt it) that was taken from his house by suits for seeing something he wasn't supposed to, that was over 6 years ago and I and his wife havn't heard from him since.....but its all okay maybe hes just on vacation. Its so easy to sit back and discredit the power they have when you have no experience of it.........do something they don't like, and I mean something substantial and see what happens.

Oh thats right I'm not telling the truth I'm fearmongering.

Where in this thread or any post I have ever written on this site did I say that they will not kill? You are helping my argument with that story of your friend. If they were All-Powerful as they make themselves out to be then they could say "You peasants can get all the knowledge in the universe and WE DO NOT CARE because you will forever be our slaves!." That is obviously not the case for when someone comes across some precious info they're gone! THAT IS HOW THREATENING KNOWLEDGE IS TO THEM! Especially nowadays!!!! One person putting something of great value on the internet will reach millions in a day!

[devin]

for rossus and virginti trees (and anyone else who is suspicious of channeling)... read this real quick and tell me what you think because this guy on this forum (shukaido on the fourth post) gives a great answer that I have intuitively felt from the start when I was first introduced to the idea of people channeling other beings...


A Channeler Quits -

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5885

I'll quote him here but still read the original post because some of it will be out of context...

My first thought is that if there even exists such a being as "Heru the Ascended Master" then, in his own way, he has informed an audience of believers in The Return Of Light Project of some of the real dangers of implicit trust of spiritual beings who could very well be masquerading as those of Truth and Light. I've always thought that true beings of such mastery as I imagine the Imposter Heru claimed to be work in such circuitous, subtle ways that their methods are almost imperceptable. What would be the point of one ever communicating through a channeler, "Okay, this is this, and that is that. Now you know." Where is the seeking in that? What would we do all day? I can't imagine that any one of them would ever refer to themselves as an Ascended Master anyway, with any degree of seriousness, if I were ever to encounter one.

Karen was able to communicate a most valuable experience, unfortunately at a cost of some disillusionment and pain. Possibly this Heru being, again if he even truly exists, saw Karen's hijacked connection to it as an opportunity for learning. I hope that she doesn't decide to throw everything out that she's gathered along the way and instead let the event rest for a while until this moment has passed. She might then be able to go back into the work she was engaged with and discover submerged truths in what turned out to be a something of a terrible lie.

- Shukaido

[devin]

But never under - estimate the enemy.
At the same time don't believe that they are overly powerful.
Remember the human spirit is very strong.
We are powerful warriors ,. like in Sparta,
we built huge buildings, the pyramids.
Our spirit is too powerful for them to keep totally under control.
So they HAVE to do the daily maintainance part of keeping us down.

very true Abhie. We must know that they are not overly powerful but at the same time NEVER BECOME OVERCONFIDENT. There are few things worse than overconfidence.

[viginti tres]

Where in this thread or any post I have ever written on this site did I say that they will not kill? You are helping my argument with that story of your friend. If they were All-Powerful as they make themselves out to be then they could say "You peasants can get all the knowledge in the universe and WE DO NOT CARE because you will forever be our slaves!." That is obviously not the case for when someone comes across some precious info they're gone! THAT IS HOW THREATENING KNOWLEDGE IS TO THEM! Especially nowadays!!!! One person putting something of great value on the internet will reach millions in a day!

I know you never said they don't kill, I can read. I was pointing out that they indeed can get to whoever they like if they want to. That they are indeed powerful at this point in time and have most of humanity under a materialistic, narcissistic spell, and I pointed that out because your post suggested that they have no real power.

Yet I agree with you on some points....namely that they wish power only unto themselves and having it fall into the hands of the so-called commoners is a great threat to them.
for rossus and virginti trees (and anyone else who is suspicious of channeling)... read this real quick and tell me what you think because this guy on this forum (shukaido on the fourth post) gives a great answer that I have intuitively felt from the start when I was first introduced to the idea of people channeling other beings...


A Channeler Quits -

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=5885

I'll quote him here but still read the original post because some of it will be out of context...

This is off topic so I'll write this and thats it on the channeling stuff.

This is the only question you should ask any channeler :

Why would an ascended, highly evolved being interfere with free will?

Imo none of these channellers are communicating with benevelont beings...not one.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[devin]

I know you never said they don't kill, I can read. I was pointing out that they indeed can get to whoever they like if they want to. That they are indeed powerful at this point in time and have most of humanity under a materialistic, narcissistic spell, and I pointed that out because your post suggested that they have no real power.

Yet I agree with you on some points....namely that they wish power only unto themselves and having it fall into the hands of the so-called commoners is a great threat to them.


This is off topic so I'll write this and thats it on the channeling stuff.

This is the only question you should ask any channeler :

Why would an ascended, highly evolved being interfere with free will?

Imo none of these channellers are communicating with benevelont beings...not one.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

It's ok if you don't want to talk about channeling but this has everything to do with the topic. Considering the fact that we live on a planet with 6 billion narcissistic, materialistic, power-hungry beings (who are that way through compliance not necessarliy a "spell") and the fact that we have technology to kill us all then why are we still here? There has to be a higher force regulating this insane asylum! And if they are ascended then they can't possibly be anything like our selfish, false-loving ego's (which would say "why should I go down there and help others when this is so great up here?")

[viginti tres]

It's ok if you don't want to talk about channeling but this has everything to do with the topic. Considering the fact that we live on a planet with 6 billion narcissistic, materialistic, power-hungry beings (who are that way through compliance not necessarliy a "spell") and the fact that we have technology to kill us all then why are we still here? There has to be a higher force regulating this insane asylum! And if they are ascended then they can't possibly be anything like our selfish, false-loving ego's (which would say "why should I go down there and help others when this is so great up here?")

Ok then as it was you who started the thread lets continue......

Why would an infinite ascended powerful being that has no doubt reached the stage of their evolution of their own accord mingle with others free will, I can't even begin to comprehend how or indeed why such a being would choose such a way to communicate (besides they would be vibrating at levels far beyond that of a human body, how does the body handle such a presence?).

I have no doubt higher powers exist I never said they don't, and in fact I have seen a few in my time, though this is beside the point.....the point is why would they interfere with our developement in such a way.....are we mere infants incapable of doing things for ourselves.........or are we free human beings with infinite potential........

Do I think they choose born again new age hippies as vehicles to communicate with us......absolutely not, and as I said this comes from first hand experience, it simply felt wong which is why I hold my ground on this topic .....Do I think they influence us in subtle ways, with little signs and clues as a way to guide us to the right path, indeed, in fact my whole life has been like this.

And the spell I speak of is $$$$$$ and many are hypnotised by it, and so they think they live their lives, day by day a 'slave' to the dollar till they die, is that what they wanted, what they came here for, I think not, they comply because they are in fear they are in fear because those who hold the power want to keep it and so hold the rest of us under a spell to achieve it............only when we unite will we win this fight.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[devin]

Ok then as it was you who started the thread lets continue......

Why would an infinite ascended powerful being that has no doubt reached the stage of their evolution of their own accord mingle with others free will, I can't even begin to comprehend how or indeed why such a being would choose such a way to communicate (besides they would be vibrating at levels far beyond that of a human body, how does the body handle such a presence?).

I have no doubt higher powers exist I never said they don't, and in fact I have seen a few in my time, though this is beside the point.....the point is why would they interfere with our developement in such a way.....are we mere infants incapable of doing things for ourselves.........or are we free human beings with infinite potential........

Do I think they choose born again new age hippies as vehicles to communicate with us......absolutely not, and as I said this comes from first hand experience, it simply felt wong which is why I hold my ground on this topic .....Do I think they influence us in subtle ways, with little signs and clues as a way to guide us to the right path, indeed, in fact my whole life has been like this.

And the spell I speak of is $$$$$$ and many are hypnotised by it, and so they think they live their lives, day by day a 'slave' to the dollar till they die, is that what they wanted, what they came here for, I think not, they comply because they are in fear they are in fear because those who hold the power want to keep it and so hold the rest of us under a spell to achieve it............only when we unite will we win this fight.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

it's good to know that you know that you are being guided by them? perhaps somewhere in your whole life they guided you to some new-age hippie to give you a specific message at a precise point in time?

and it is not interfering with free will when you ask them to help you.

I also believe it is good that you go with your gut feeling and don't trust channelings of higher beings. However I believe that we each have guides and soul groups who have been with us for countless lifetimes and we planned this life before we came and they help us more than other beings. Those are the ones you probably have noticed and they are the reason why you probably don't trust other high beings. just my opinion.

[rossus]

tell me what you think
i'm not an expert on channeling and spirits,
so i don't like to claim i am.

but from what i think i know,
not one of these spirits and "higher intelligences" are to be trusted.

they can give you certain powers so you can perform stronger "magick",
or they can give you access to some of the most high information...
and at the same time they will give you the feeling of light and wonder...

so you will believe that the information is correct and what you are doing is very holy and spiritual...
but in reality, you are being delusioned strongly.



when dealing with these beings, they all say they are benevolent...
but often we can't even trust friends we had since childhood,
so how do we know a spirit is to be trusted of whom we know nothing... and cannot even see his face?

if i'm not mistaken,
in islam and christianity it is taught that angels don't talk to human beings or make deals with us, they just do the work of god.
it is only "spirits on the loose" that are interested in contacting us.



i'm not a muslim or christian, and i don't believe the bible... but i know there is much truth in them.
one thing that comes to mind is...

that is said that "satan is a beautiful being of light" and when you encounter him you don't see an ugly monster,
but a smart beautiful being who is a master at deception.

the spirits don't say "here take this poison"....
they say "here take this drink, it very good for you. healthy vitamins! and it taste good too!"

[viginti tres]

i'm not an expert on channeling and spirits,
so i don't like to claim i am.

but from what i think i know,
not one of these spirits and "higher intelligences" are to be trusted.

i have heard...
they can give you certain powers so you can perform stronger "magick",
or access new information (wether that information is correct, is another thing ;) )
but always, you must give something in return to these beings.

when dealing with them, they all say they are benevolent...
but often we can't even trust friends we had since childhood,
so how do we know a spirit is to be trusted of whom we know nothing... and cannot even see his face?

in islam and christianity it is taught that angels don't talk to human beings or make deals with us, they just do the work of god.
it is only "spirits on the loose" that are interested in us.

I agree with this 100%.

I would love to know if anyone else has personally witnessed a channeling before.

I'm sharing this info for you devin and keep in mind this is one of many I've witnessed, and I write this so you may know why I fell the way I do about channeling.

The first channeling I witnessed was incredibly intense. Their were four of us in the room, let's call them 'D'(the lady that channels), 'G'(self confessed master healer......total ego trip IMO), 'A'(Reiki healer) and myself.

We began the night with a group healing, bringing in the light and all that, and to tell the truth it felt strange, almost heavy as this was going on. 'G' had opened up the circle and was the facilitator of this group healing and guided us all through it. This lasted some time and at the end 'G' gave a thanks to the 'higher powers' and the healing stopped.....this is when the freaky shit started.

'D' is also afflicted with parkinson's and so will often 'drop out' loosing all her energy. This happened shortly after the healing circle had stopped and I looked over at 'D' as her head slumped down as though she had fallen asleep.
'G' was getting concerned at this point and asked 'D' if she was alright at which point her head shot up like something from the excorcist, fast, like a snake striking. I was shiting myself by now and then I saw the eyes, eyes which had changed completely, even the colour....they say the eyes are the gateway to the soul and i'm a firm believer in that, and there was something cold and menacing about 'D's eyes when she looked up, something that was far from benevelont and the strangest thing was the entire time, no matter how hard I tried I could not look away from them.

This confounded me considerably, but not as much as when 'it' began to speak, like a harsh whip cracking, or what you'd expect a snake to sound like if it could talk......."You zapped me" it said to 'G' with much anger and resonance.....and again and again at least 8 times,"You zapped me" each time speaking louder and angrier, with so much resonance in the voice that I could feel it in my chest. "I'm sorry dear it must have been when I closed the circle" 'G' responded....."who are you?" she continued.

"I am Arruha" 'D'/it replied.
And again and again with 'G' chimming in repeating the name, but apparently not saying it right so each time was more resonant and pronounced than the last, much like 'its' first words...till...

"I am AAAAARRRRRUUUUUUHHHHHAAAAA" walls and windows shaking at the force behind it......

Some brief conversation followed between Aruha, 'A' and 'G' about who it was ( apparently one part of a group of 5 ascended beings, 3 of whom they had already channeled.) and why it was here. Then Glenda turned to me....."This is Mitchell, he could do with a healing, can you please give him a healing"

Aruha nodded and approached me.....my heart was beating in my chest my mind was racing with a thousand thoughts I wanted to say no, to walk away, to scream.....yet nothing, like the'Hag attack' I was completely paralysed. Aruha placed it's right hand above my head and the sensation was incredible........not good, not bad just weird......I felt cold and then heavy, then light as a feather and then I started to fly, I was looking down on my body but didn't want to go......

I've always astral projected but this was different........like I was being forced out.....I didn't like it one bit, it was like I was getting something, yet was loosing something in return....an energetic barta that I had never agreed upon, but perhaps I did for allowing the healing to take place.....the healing felt like it lasted forever but only lasted about 5 minutes. Aruha then left almost immedietly and I was left there hovering above my body totally paralysed, totally hypnotised and unable to even lift a finger.....'G' saw something was wrong and gave me a grounding at which point I returned to my body and slowly gathered my senses.........and still could'nt believe what had happened.

I've seen several others since then not nearly as eventful, but all with the same feel.

Malevelont.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[devin]

Thank you for sharing that story virginti tres. That was very interesting! I do not doubt that their are evil beings in the spirit world but my belief is that you needed to experience that. A lot of us like to to label experiences as "terrible, frightening experiences" and regret that we ever had them. We have to look deeper though and realize the beautiful lesson what we get out of them. Not only are you still here with us after that experience, but you are stronger because of that experience despite the fact that your conscious mind is trying to get you to believe that you "might have lost something."

[viginti tres]

Thank you for sharing that story virginti tres. That was very interesting! I do not doubt that their are evil beings in the spirit world but my belief is that you needed to experience that. A lot of us like to to label experiences as "terrible, frightening experiences" and regret that we ever had them. We have to look deeper though and realize the beautiful lesson what we get out of them. Not only are you still here with us after that experience, but you are stronger because of that experience despite the fact that your conscious mind is trying to get you to believe that you "might have lost something."

It was a pleasure, I'm an open book and will share all my experiences in due time.........I've faced the darkness my whole life, as a kid astral projecting and repeatedly being chased by dark figures till I came to a cliff face and fell, waking the second I hit the ground....to facing these demons about a year ago and finally conquering them.....with love.

After that channeling experience I did indeed have the feeling I had lost something, though I know whatever it was is back with me.......though since that day, to this day writting this I think predominatly about ending my life.......70% of my thoughts are suicidal.......and this is something that I can never seem to shake......though I eagerly await the day when I trully want to live here in this plane of existence...

Some say I am meant to be an excorcist, some say a healer and others say preacher, whatever it is I am I know noone can tell me and whatever it is you are noone can tell you and I know the experiences we have are moulding us into the people we become.....

(sorry going off topic)

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[octopusrex]

Y'all who worry about illuminati and consider yourselves "warriors" and shit like that.. Another story came to my mind to make sense of this stuff for ya:

As you all know, Buddhist monks in Tibet were slaughtered by the Chinese "Cabal" of Atheist-Communists. The conflict is a simple one: atheism vs. Buddhism. Whatever side you support is not important, what is important is the result...

Here's the story. I met a certain Rimpoche who was imprisoned by the Chinese for 10 years. He was held in a 4x4 room with no windows, torutured routinely, and given the worst possible food. After he was released, he went around giving conferences of his experience. He has absolutely NO HATRED for his captors. In fact, he feels no hatred towards anybody. He wants to help the Chinese, and he does so by sharing his story and teaching Dahrma.

This is the only kind of warrior to be: a peaceful one. He is still marked by the Communists, for certain, since he tells it like it is.

Unless you are a real victim of a Cabal, stay away from them. It's the only reasonable thing to do. Stay out of the spotlight, keep to the peaceful-non-violent way. Don't make yourself a target for people who are far more dangerous than yourself.

[abhie]

Y'all who worry about illuminati and consider yourselves "warriors" and shit like that...........



Don't make yourself a target for people who are far more dangerous than yourself.


It was not the 'warrior' qualities that was hinted at, rather the 'spirit' of the human being, who based on all the historical evidence of what we have already accomplished, should be aware of our indomitable spirit.

Here's the story. I met a certain Rimpoche who was imprisoned by the Chinese for 10 years. He was held in a 4x4 room with no windows, torutured routinely, and given the worst possible food. After he was released, he went around giving conferences of his experience. He has absolutely NO HATRED for his captors. In fact, he feels no hatred towards anybody. He wants to help the Chinese, and he does so by sharing his story and teaching Dahrma.

Rimpoche , in your story , shows the same indomitable human spirit. He may have been a warrior centuries ago, but today he is a warrior with a different cause.

But, allasame, your warning is heeded. Thank you.

[terminus_est]

After that channeling experience I did indeed have the feeling I had lost something, though I know whatever it was is back with me.......though since that day, to this day writting this I think predominatly about ending my life.......70% of my thoughts are suicidal.......and this is something that I can never seem to shake......though I eagerly await the day when I trully want to live here in this plane of existence...


Well Mitchell, I'd really like to further discuss this with you. That seemed like a rather awful freaky experience you had, but what really makes me curious is the aftermath of it. First off, when did you have that channeling experience? Secondly, what you said there about having intrusive suicidal thoughts since that day, whenever it was, really baffles me because even though my memory on what you told me about your previous experiences may not be what it seems, I remember(or at least seem to remember) you telling me last year about experiencing a recent period in your life in which you had alot of suicidal thoughts after attending some occult gathering like what you just described and I thought you said you ended these suicidal thoughts somehow. But as I said, I don't think I remember correctly.

[cruise4]

Thank you for sharing that story virginti tres. I just want to second that. One of the few times someone has actually said something concrete.

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[king]

This is an excellent thread, and Im bookmarking it for future reference.

Its like the time you reach a boundary, and you know you have come to the end of one, and the beginning of another.
exactly how i feel

[thirdwave]

the thing is.... people keep asuming that come 2012 ....come the "moment" that all will be revield..... but who are they to say whoes life is the same?????


CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[viginti tres]

Thank you for sharing that story virginti tres. I just want to second that. One of the few times someone has actually said something concrete.

Thank you.

Well Mitchell, I'd really like to further discuss this with you. That seemed like a rather awful freaky experience you had, but what really makes me curious is the aftermath of it. First off, when did you have that channeling experience? Secondly, what you said there about having intrusive suicidal thoughts since that day, whenever it was, really baffles me because even though my memory on what you told me about your previous experiences may not be what it seems, I remember(or at least seem to remember) you telling me last year about experiencing a recent period in your life in which you had alot of suicidal thoughts after attending some occult gathering like what you just described and I thought you said you ended these suicidal thoughts somehow. But as I said, I don't think I remember correctly.

That was the first channeling I experienced.........I really should post everything I had on the old forum here........PM me and we can talk about it

And yes you are right, my suicidal thoughts did leave me for some time.......about a month or two I think.......but its back now stronger than ever......in fact if my mates did'nt ring me to come and sing for them friday night I would have ended it, I had everything ready.

I'm waitng for a reason to stay here.....or at least some good luck for a change......I have none so far....

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[lizzy]

Thank you.



That was the first channeling I experienced.........I really should post everything I had on the old forum here........PM me and we can talk about it

And yes you are right, my suicidal thoughts did leave me for some time.......about a month or two I think.......but its back now stronger than ever......in fact if my mates did'nt ring me to come and sing for them friday night I would have ended it, I had everything ready.

I'm waitng for a reason to stay here.....or at least some good luck for a change......I have none so far....

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

hi Mitchell,
once we run out of reasons to stay , decide infinate consiousness preferable to pushing through the matrix , we have a problem Houston, but please stay.
Power to the Peaceful will have to be fought for and we need every beautiful mind there is.
love, lizzy.

[lizzy]

Well if that's the case then I would say it is happening to a lot of other people too. I didn't listen (or even know) about Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Tsarion, Swerdlow, Peter Farley, Icke etc... 2 years a go but I'll bet anything they were much more respected back then. People are really starting to wake up that these researchers either work for them or they are being manipulated by them.
manipulated may be .. but they all brought a tool to help me open my own toolbox for cutting throught the matix.
lizzy

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[terminus_est]

Thank you.



That was the first channeling I experienced.........I really should post everything I had on the old forum here........PM me and we can talk about it

And yes you are right, my suicidal thoughts did leave me for some time.......about a month or two I think.......but its back now stronger than ever......in fact if my mates did'nt ring me to come and sing for them friday night I would have ended it, I had everything ready.

I'm waitng for a reason to stay here.....or at least some good luck for a change......I have none so far....

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

That really sucks that your friends interrupted you during that crucial moment.:( I'm telling you man that you CAN'T end your life! You are a good person and the conspiracy busting movement needs more people like you! :) Even though many things in this world really suck, there's still so much beauty and goodness and soul-soothing things out there! I mean Mitch, just tell me, what are you going to accomplish by ending your existence? Where do you think you are going to go after you are gone?

This afterlife business seems rather strange and even dicey to me. I realize you believe in reincarnation and past lives, but consider also the research that has been done on NDEs. People have been reported going OOBE, going through that light tunnel, being in idyllic places, and even being in hellish places being tormented by evil entities! I mean just what is going on out there?:confused:

[lizzy]

That really sucks that your friends interrupted you during that crucial moment.:( I'm telling you man that you CAN'T end your life! You are a good person and the conspiracy busting movement needs more people like you! :) Even though many things in this world really suck, there's still so much beauty and goodness and soul-soothing things out there! I mean Mitch, just tell me, what are you going to accomplish by ending your existence? Where do you think you are going to go after you are gone?

This afterlife business seems rather strange and even dicey to me. I realize you believe in reincarnation and past lives, but consider also the research that has been done on NDEs. People have been reported going OOBE, going through that light tunnel, being in idyllic places, and even being in hellish places being tormented by evil entities! I mean just what is going on out there?:confused:

It is true. YOU are needed. Even if u can't see the beauty know , it will get better. pm me . We talk alot about light and love but we have to practice it here too. love,lizzy

[resistance]

Thank you.



That was the first channeling I experienced.........I really should post everything I had on the old forum here........PM me and we can talk about it

And yes you are right, my suicidal thoughts did leave me for some time.......about a month or two I think.......but its back now stronger than ever......in fact if my mates did'nt ring me to come and sing for them friday night I would have ended it, I had everything ready.

I'm waitng for a reason to stay here.....or at least some good luck for a change......I have none so far....

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

Hey dude, there are lots of things out there that are worth staying around for, i know life is full ov ups and downs but yu must try and focus on the ups, if not then change your routine and start doing things that yu usaully wouldn't do, yu can never force yourself tu be happy but yu can start in the right direction, change is what yu need, try it.

[king]

what are you trying to accomplish edit?

edit is 'different', possibly autistic

best thing to do is not respond/ask question as what she is trying to accomplish.
god knows many of us tried without success

[kblood]

edit is 'different', possibly autistic

best thing to do is not respond/ask question as what she is trying to accomplish.
god knows many of us tried without success

Edit is a she? :D I was quite certain Edit was a he, mostly because of some nice atomic chart data posted. I was thinking Edit might be some kind of AI, trying to be human :confused:

I still sometimes try to make sense of Edit's posts, and although they do not seem related to the subject they can be quite interesting all the same.

[edit]

edit is 'different', possibly autistic


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[terminus_est]

Ok let me bump this. Everyone ignore Edit and please help Viginti Tres get rid of his suicidal thoughts! Would you kindly? Those thoughts apparently have become overpowering for him! :mad:

Mitch I'm sorry I had to vent, but something really needs to be done when your head is under siege!

[cruise4]

I have a theory that the greater the suffering now the greater your spirit will be. Be a shame to throw it all away when we are so close to realising the full potential of humanity. Suicide equals repetition at the same level. No answer there. At the very least wait until this year is over.