? 2012 or 2007 ?

[11indigo11]

We need to look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_%28astronomy_and_astrology%29#2007_2
2007

A very remarkable planetary/galactic configuration occurs on December 23rd and 24th 2007. The configuration on December 23 — Mars, Earth, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Galactic Centre — is shown in the graphic simulation linked below; it becomes even more remarkable in that it will be accompanied by the Full Moon (conjunct Mars) at about 2 a.m. on December 24 when a simultaneous Venus square Neptune occurs. It is even more remarkable in that the Pluto/Sun conjunction appears exactly on the Winter Solstice, just past conjunction with the Galactic Centre.

Link below is the view from Mars toward the Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Mercury, Pluto alignment toward the Galactic Centre on 23 December 2007 which occurs just after the Pluto/Jupiter (Heliocentric) conjunction on 23 November 2007. NASA Solar System Simulator for 23rd Dec 2007

Solar System on Dec 22, 2007. What is not shown is Pluto (which would be to Jupiter's right) Saturn, which follows down from Venus, and Uranus and Neptune. Saturn and Neptune form the cross's t-member. It is a 23/12 configuration. There will be a full moon on Dec. 23, 2007

http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspace?tbody=1000&vbody=1001&month=12&day=23&year=2007&hour=00&minute=00&fovmul=1&rfov=10&bfov=100&porbs=1

[soglad]

I've just read a few bits and pieces about this on the net.....this could be the big thing I've intuitively felt all year....we'll see, eh?

[niftygifter]

Interesting stuff, however NEVER believe Wikipedia:cool:
The latest and greatest disinformation and confusion source, you can even distort it yourselves;)

Nifty:D

[logic bomb]

I've got my work Xmas meal at midday on Dec 21st 2007. Don't tell me I'm gonna be drunk for the ascension.. god damn it..

[thirdwave]

2007 And 2012

[dark86]

both links deaded for me

[tron]

both links deaded for me

Yeah, links aint working this end either. :S

xx

[dark86]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message471098/pg1

just found this info about it.

[11indigo11]

Links are working again:)

[11indigo11]

December 23rd, 2007 Secret Illuminati Timeline

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwIU_ROUEI&mode=related&search=911%20conspiracy%20alex%20jones%20david%20i cke%20washington%20illuminati%20masons%20fre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI_5okO6RE&mode=related&search=911%20conspiracy%20alex%20jones%20david%20i cke%20washington%20illuminati%20masons%20fre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Cmu8272rI&mode=related&search=911%20conspiracy%20alex%20jones%20david%20i cke%20washington%20illuminati%20masons%20fre
DC Mall TimeLine & Solar Mayan Calendar 2007 ~ 2012 - YouTube

[soglad]

Oh my God, the english in those vids is APPAULING!

[11indigo11]

not everyone speaks english:D

[11indigo11]

Seems like the last video doesnt wana play:confused:
but wow I think this person/s is really onto something and Im also starting to see the big picture of all these symbols and landmarks.

Here is the website where I got the vids from
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread309640/pg1

[yvonne]

Also in late December comes Comet 8p Tuttle and the Ursid meteors, which Tuttle is responsible for and which peaks on December 22/23.

But who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

[logic bomb]

Oh my God, the english in those vids is APPAULING!

The English in your post is APALLING! ;)

[cruise4]

Cracking Post 11indigo11. Thanks.

[11indigo11]

I'm having trouble finding any "official"(nasa/gov etc) reports of the galactic alignment on 23/34 dec if anyone can find anything it would be very helpful.

[john67]

bloody hell, this stuff has been around for months, does nobody else look around?

[ichi wa zen]

On 23th of december, Bush will wash his asscrack with occult blood retrieved from satanic ritually murdered goats by decapitating them at the moment of orgasm :eek:

[cruise4]

"bloody hell, this stuff has been around for months, does nobody else look around?"

mate... I've been reading for six months. I doubt I've covered 1% of the material.

[11indigo11]

bloody hell, this stuff has been around for months, does nobody else look around?

Then why aren't people talking about it?
Why are there only a few websites containing info regarding this subject?
Why cant I find any official nasa reports on this subject?

[dark86]

watch secret space then you will look at NASA as a last resort. If they knew something they would not tell us.


The only way to really know is goto a top of a hill on the 23rd and 24th and wait and see, take a couple of crystals for portection and some grub.

:cool:

anyone know any top of the range star software? i use stellarium and distant suns.

[11indigo11]

EX WhiteHouse Employee & Goverment Official Says We Are Heading For Planetary Ascension, Does Not Understand Why It Is Not All Over The Media!!


There is a Cosmic wave of change going through our Solar system. This ex whitehouse employee discloses NASA information and admits that all Planets in our Solar system are changing and that we are next in line.. Changes on Msrs currently happening..
This guy is a very credible person to speak out on this.
Looks like a real home run for the Woo Woos...
This shit is very real!!

Newly released scientific data concludes that we, earth and our solar system are aliens to the Milky Way galaxy. In a study conducted by the University of Massachusetts called the TWO-Micron All Star Survey it was concluded that our solar system was actually born in a galaxy called the Sagittarius Dwarf. This small galaxy, some 10,000 times less dense than the Milky Way, was actually orbiting the much bigger and stronger Milky Way. Over time, the power of the Milky Ways gravitational force began to pull in and pull apart the dwarf. We were actually created in that dwarf galaxy and have been sucked into the Milky Way. Ever wonder why the Milky Way appears at right angles to the earth?

This finding solves the mystery. We actually are a part of the Sagittarius System and rather than circling around the Milky Way we have been moving somewhat perpendicular. But now our home system is so depleted and torn apart it is near its end as the Milky Way consumes the stars.

If this is true then our entire way of thinking about our place in the Universe must be revisited. We are not from where we think we were from. We have been part of a different galaxy that has been trapped nearly destroyed by the Milky Way. We are only just now settling into our new position that is aligned with the ecliptic of the Milk Way and our solar system is being exposed to massive amounts of new cosmic energy.

There is a lot of science going on here and I do not pretend to fathom all of its implications. What is certain is that science will have to think anew about thinks like dark matter and the way in which galaxies merge.

Are there implications for earth? The study says yes. Since we are now in a more energetic system, our sun is burning hotter. Recent changes have been observed on Pluto, new auroras have emerged on Saturn, Uranus and Neptune have undergone polar shifts, Jupiters energy is growing, biosphere quality is changing on Mars, and an early stage atmosphere is appearing on our moon. Basically, energy shifts are occurring throughout the solar system and we are not immune.

The study says that we of the Sagittarius Dwarf have only just now settled into the powerful arms of the Milky Way. We will experience higher energy levels and do not rule out the current global warming as a partial consequence of being adopted into our new home; all the more reason not to exacerbate the problem with our polluting ways. It is even suggested that the Mayan calendar may end in 2012 because they did not know the consequences of entering into our new home. Is polarity shift possible? It has happened on two other planets so there is no reason to think it will not happen here. Actually, new NASA information has already picked a movement in the Earths poles.

Is all of this the End of Days? The answer has to be yes and no. It is the end of days as a solar system in the Sagittarian Dwarf, but is the beginning of a new day in the more energetic Milky Way. One cannot help but wonder why this information is not getting more air time on the news. This is a happening on a galactic scale but little seems to be in the news. What do they know that we dont? I would suggest that we all hold on to our hats as we may be in for one hell of a galactic ride.

Mr. Harris was born in Massachusetts. He attended The American University in Washington, D.C. and received his degree in Political Science. His graduate work was done at the University of Northern Colorado and Howard University. While in D.C., he spent several years working for local and regional government agencies. Upon moving to Maine he worked with three governors and served as the Assistant Director of the Maine State Planning Office. He worked on a White House Task Force for the development of a National Rural Policy and later served as Rural Policy Coordinator at the Federal Regional Council of New England. He has worked on gubernatorial and senatorial political campaigns and currently works in Special Education.
http://washburnavoybk.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-this-is-true-then.html

[11indigo11]

http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito/secretwash.htm

[11indigo11]

Mary Penner: The story behind our calendar has repercussions for genealogists

By Mary Penner (Contact)
Wednesday, January 4, 2006
While hanging out along the Nile River with Cleopatra, Julius Caesar may have picked up the idea of using the sun to calculate the length of the calendar year from Egyptian astronomers.
The roughly 355-day Roman calendar was an irksome mess that needed regular tinkering to align it with the seasons. Days or months were inserted or taken away every now and then. This was understandably annoying to the populace.When Caesar returned triumphantly to Rome in 47 B.C., he decided to launch a new calendar similar to the Egyptian model.
The new solar calendar had a 365-day and six-hour year with an extra day thrown in every four years to account for the extra hours.
After a vexing year of adjustments making 46 B.C last 455 days, the new calendar, known as the Julian calendar, started on Jan. 1, 45 B.C. The Julian calendar would reign for centuries to come.

The Julian calendar, though, contained a central flaw: each year was 11 minutes too long. That seems insignificant, but over hundreds of years, that extra time added up to a calendar careening out of sync with the natural world.

To further complicate matters, some groups jettisoned Jan. 1 as the first day of the year and adopted other days that suited them better.

Some chose March 1 as New Year's Day; others opted for Sept. 1, Sept. 24, or Dec. 25. Another popular choice for New Year's Day was March 25. The British latched onto this date; so, American colonists brought that calendar quirk with them across the Atlantic.

Through the centuries, various scientists and astronomical thinkers sounded the alarm about this calendar chaos, and some world and religious leaders undertook futile attempts to make changes.

Order wasn't restored until 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII decreed a calendar change. New Year's Day fell on Jan. 1 again, and the calendar year was shortened to 365 days, five hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds. Further adjustments were made to leap years.

Unfortunately for the Pope and his reform efforts, many people ignored him. The Gregorian calendar was adopted piecemeal over time by different countries. The British, as well as their colonies in America, were staunch holdouts and did not adopt Gregory's calendar until 1752.

So, 1751 in America ended on Dec. 31 instead of March 24, making that year having only 282 days.

The following year, 11 days - Sept. 3-13 - were skipped to catch up with the Gregorian calendar.

These calendar somersaults have implications for genealogists.

1. You will often see double dates for events that occurred in January, February, or March.

For example, the marriage date of Patience Toogood and Joseph Bozworth in Rhode Island was recorded as March 4, 1735/1736. They didn't get married twice. It was 1735 in the colonies, but much of the rest of the world considered it to already be 1736.

2. You might find children with seemingly miraculous birth dates. Benjamin's birth might be Nov. 2, 1745 and his sister's birth might be March 2, 1746. They weren't born four months apart; they were born 16 months apart.

3. Sometimes, you will see O.S. or N.S. written by dates to indicate Old Style for the Julian calendar and New Style for the Gregorian calendar. When documenting your research, always try to indicate O.S. or N.S. if you know which calendar was being used.

4. When doing foreign research, find out when that country adopted the calendar changes. See webexhibits.org/calendars/year-countries.html for a partial listing of some of the worldwide calendar dramatics.

Who knows what year/month/day we are in:D

[11indigo11]

How Britain got the Calendar Wrong

The time is out of joint. It's midsummer day but the longest day has already come and gone. Duncan Steel on the astronomical anomalies that have given us an increasingly crazy calendar.

How long is a year? One source of definitive information should be the Astronomical Almanac (an annual publication of the US Naval Observatory and the Royal Greewich Observatory). Trouble is, the definition therein is wrong, in a fundamental way which rather upsets all those accounts you have read in books, newspapers and magazines about the history of the calendar and how the year length is "correct to within seconds".

Today is June 24, the traditional Midsummer's Day. But the summer solstice, astronomically-specified, oscillates between June 21 and 22. This year it was at 8.49 p.m. (British Summer Time) on the 21st.

Similarly Christmas Day became December 25 because it was the traditional winter solstice date. But the solstice has slipped to the 21st/22nd.

Even more extreme is the spring equinox. Traditionally that is March 25, the Feast of the Annunciation or Lady Day. Nowadays the spring equinox varies between instants on March 19 - 21, and so it may fall five or six days before the traditional date. How can this be? The answer is that the length of the year depends upon your reference points. The time from one spring equinox to the next is not the same as from one summer solstice to the next, and this causes them to move relative to each other.

The reason for the movement is simple astronomy. The terrestrial orbit is not circular, but slightly egg-shaped. Our closest approach to the Sun — called perihelion — occurs on about January 3, and at that time Earth's speed is greatest. This makes winters in the northern hemisphere shorter but milder than those in the south, as a general trend.

But the date of the perihelion is changing. Compared to the equinox and solstice points it takes 21,000 years to swivel around the sky, meaning that every 60 years perihelion shifts one day later on the calendar. This causes the lengths of the seasons to oscillate: currently summer, autumn, winter and spring last for 93.7, 89.9, 88.8 und 92.8 days, respectively, but over the millennia those values alter. Thus the time differential between Midsummer's Day (today June 24) and the summer solstice will move back and forth, and similarly for the equinoxes and the winter solstice.

Doing the detailed calculations the avarage times in days between the annual marker point are as follows (they vary over centuries and millennia):

spring equinox: 365.2424
summer solstice: 365.2416
autumn equinox: 365.2420
winter solstice: 365.2427

Resolving this problem has proved a headache for calendar makers and they have tried to make up the difference by inserting leap year days. The Julian calendar dating from an edict by Julius Caesar has a leap year once in four, so its average duration is 365.25 days. In 1582 Pope Gregory XIII introduced the Gregorian Calendar which has one leap year in four, except that three out of four century years are skipped (1700, 1800 und 1900 were not leap years, but 2000 is). This makes 97 leap years in 400, rendering a mean length of 365.2425 days. So those final decimals places are critical.

The Astronomical Almanac which I have chastised is wrong on two counts. First it gives the average of the above four values (just below 365.2422 days, called the tropical year) as being the time between equinoxes. Second it states that this is the appropriate length for the calendar year.

Mistaken on both counts and this is not trivial, because so many religious questions rest upon the distinctions.

One common mistake is the idea that Britain has adopted the Gregorian Calendar. We use what should be called the British calendar, as defined in Lord Chesterfield's Calendar act of 1751. As a result all the Commonwealth and the colonies of the time including what became the United States use an incorrectly defined dating system.

If one wanted to keep the seasons in step then the tropical year might be a justifiable target length. In fact the Calendar Act of 1751 does specify keeping all of the equinoxes and solstices stable, so one might take a target of 365.2422 days as being appropiate. In that case the leap year cycle defined by the Act, copying the Gregorian without saying so, leads to a discrepancy of 0.0003 days, or 26 seconds per year. (On that basis some people have claimed that a "correction" of one day every three or four millennia is needed, but that is misguided because the day is getting longer as the Earth's spin rate falls due to the tidal drag imposed by the Moon.)

But the Gregorian reform was not based on keeping the seasons in step. Its aim was to regularise the date of Easter which falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox — which means it can fall any time between March 22 and April 25. As the Gregorian calendar depends on the spring equinox only, its target year length is 365.2424 days, only 0.0001 days (eight or nine seconds) away from what actually achieves.
Easter has been a bone of contention among churches for 17 centuries. The Eastern Orthodox churches often celebrate their Easter up to five weeks later than Western churches, because they persist in using the Julian calendar. In 1923 the Orthodox churches considered altering their calendar to use a leap year scheme with seven leap years dropped from nine centuries, rendering a fraction 218/900 = 0.242222 which was claimed to be superior to the Gregorian because it is closer to 0.2422 than is 0.2425. But their analysis was based upon the false target propagated by the Astronomical Almanac and its predecessors.

Similarly the Persian calendar, which also uses the equinox as its defining juncture, currently employs a cycle of eight leap years in 33, and 8/33 = 0.242424. But moves are afoot in Iran to upset that superior scheme based on the false assumption that British and American Astronomers have got it right. They would do far better to stick with Omar Khayyam (see box).

Let's summarize, then. Britain mis-defined its calendar in 1751, and that system has been inherited by the USA (which has no specific calendar statute of its own) and much of the rest of the world. The underlying cause was anti-Catholic feeling.

Britain could not openly admit to adopting the Gregorian calendar, and in consequence got itself into a tangle.

Similarly for anti-Jewish reasons the definition of Easter in the Act is garbled, because the authors avoided mentioning the Hebrew calendar or Passover.

If one follows the rubric then the Easter dates calculated differ from those tabulated in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, the table being a simple copy of the Catholic computation.

But that is no reason to persist in supplying disinformation to others, as does the Astronomical Almanac. Calendars are important: witness the confusion over the US/UK attack in Iraq last December when Ramadan was called a day earlier than expected. If Iran degrades its calendar through assuming that Western astronomers are right, then resentment in the very least will be engendered. And what if at last all Christians agree to celebrate Easter on the same day, but then realise that the astronomical basis is in error?
http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/dst02.htm

[11indigo11]

Everything you know about the calender is wrong.

The sixth century monk who invented the B.C./A.D. year numbering scheme chose as Christ's birthday Dec 25 in the 753rd year since the founding of Rome (753 A.U.C.). The following Jan 1 marked the start of the year 1 A.D.

Christ was ONE YEAR OLD on Dec 25, 1 A.D. But he was actually BORN in 1 B.C.! So shouldn't 1 B.C. actually mark the start of the First Millennium?
http://members.aol.com/rotanasnem/truth/1bc.gif

But assigning religious significance to 1 A.D. is silly because what evidence we do have for Bible history is that Herod died in 750 A.U.C. which kind of derails the whole Christmas tradition if you call 1 A.D. (or 1 B.C.) the "birth of Christ".


The point is, there is no particular significance to the year 1 A.D. other than the fact that it is the reference point for the Gregorian calendar and we're stuck with it, even though it's wrong. (The EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG syndrome has a long history!)

"Gregorian" refers to Pope Gregory XIII who actually DID change the calendar. Prior to this, the calendar is referred to as "Julian" (for Julius Caesar, a guy who also changed the calendar). This change wasn't just a change in reference points (from A.U.C. to A.D.) but a radical change in the STRUCTURE of the calendar. Which, if you're not aware of it, makes everything you know wrong!
No one was born on that date in Rome because there is NO SUCH DATE! October 9 - 18, 1582 were removed when Gregory XIII reformed the calendar. So if you are calculating backwards from the present, you have to take this little speed bump into account. Where did the ten days go? They didn't go anywhere; they were already used.

The JULIAN calendar introduced leap years because the length of the year is approximately 365 1/4 days long. The extra 1/4-day adds up to a full day every 4 years so a "leap day" is added to adjust the calendar. As you might expect, this is WRONG! Notice I said "approximately". Well, those "approximatelies" add up over the course of centuries and by 1582 there were 10 "leap days" too many added to the calendar. The main goal of the Gregorian reform was to create an algorithm for adding leap days that would yield the correct number over a long period of time. The extra leap days that were added by the JULIAN calendar were allowed to remain, so ten days had to be eliminated from 1582 to balance the books. Instead of adding a leap year EVERY fourth year (JULIAN), the GREGORIAN algorithm omits the leap day every century year, unless divisible by 400 (in which case one IS added).

Here's another speed bump for you to ponder:

The First Millennium got 250 leap days due to JULIAN reckoning, but the Second Millennium only gets 242 due to GREGORIAN reckoning. So not only is 1582 a different length than all other years, but the First Millenium is longer than the Second Millennium. You have a Feb 29th in each of the century years of the First but only have a Feb 29th in the century years 1600 and 2000 of the Second.

The following table shows the relationship between the DAY OF THE YEAR (counting sequentially from 1 to 365 or 366) and the DATE (Feb 28, Mar 1, etc.). Note that when it exists, Feb 29 is the 60th DAY OF THE YEAR. Technically, the ANNIVERSARY of a person's birth occurs every 365 1/4 days (approximately). ANNIVERSARIES are more accurately determined by the DAY OF THE YEAR and not the DATE, because leap year changes the DATE for all dates after Feb 28. The person born on Feb 29 has a birth-DATE that occurs only every 4 years, but his birth-DAY occurs every year on the 60th day of the year (which is Mar 1 in non-leap years).
Day of the Year 58 59 60 61 62
Date (non-leap year) Feb 27 Feb 28 Mar 1 Mar 2 Mar 3
Date (leap year) Feb 27 Feb 28 Feb 29 Mar 1 Mar 2


NOTE: Everyone born after Feb 28 has the same problem - you've been celebrating your birth-DAY on the WRONG DATE every 4th year (if not born in a leap year) or every 3-out-of-4 years (if born in a leap year). Think about that next time you laugh at the poor slob born on Feb 29!

This brings up another problem: when does the person born on Dec 31 in a leap year celebrate his birthday? After all, the DAY OF THE YEAR only has a 366 in leap years. Well, he has to do the same thing everyone else SHOULD be doing. Add 365 1/4 days to your birthday and see what DATE that falls on.

Leap years don't really have 366 days and non-leap years are not 365 days: they are ALL 365 1/4 days. The person born on Jan 1 in a leap year has the next ANNIVERSARY of their birth occur on Dec 31 OF THE SAME YEAR! But don't take my word for it. Enter the following into a spreadsheet:
A
1 01-Jan-1996 00:00
2 =A1 + 365.25
3 =A2 + 365.25
4 =A3 + 365.25
5 =A4 + 365.25
6 =A5 + 365.25
7 =A6 + 365.25
8 =A7 + 365.25
9 =A8 + 365.25

...and watch how they evaluate:
A
1 01-Jan-1996 00:00
2 31-Dec-1996 06:00
3 31-Dec-1997 12:00
4 31-Dec-1998 18:00
5 01-Jan-2000 00:00
6 31-Dec-2000 06:00
7 31-Dec-2001 12:00
8 31-Dec-2002 18:00
9 01-Jan-2004 00:00



Just like the person born on Feb 29, the person born Jan 1 is celebrating his birthday on the wrong day 3 out of 4 years! Notice the importance of time of birth when doing this calculation. If you were born late in the day, your anniversary DATE would change as soon as the 365 1/4-day interval pushed your anniversary past midnight. This would give you a completely different pattern of anniversaries:
A
1 01-Jan-1996 15:00
2 31-Dec-1996 21:00
3 01-Jan-1998 03:00
4 01-Jan-1999 09:00
5 01-Jan-2000 15:00
6 31-Dec-2000 21:00
7 01-Jan-2002 03:00
8 01-Jan-2003 09:00
9 01-Jan-2004 15:00



As you can see, bringing time into the picture really starts making things messy. Especially since Everything You Know ABOUT TIME Is Wrong! Try this simple test:

Q: How many hours are in a day?

http://members.aol.com/rotanasnem/truth/timeopt.gif

What? You thought a day was 24 hours? Remember, Everything You Know Is WRONG!

The above illustration tracks "Tuesday"; from when it first appears at the International Dateline; as it sweeps around the globe; until it is finally pushed off by "Wednesday". The counter in the lower left corner counts the number of hours that at least one timezone is red. It takes 24 hours to "fill" the globe and another 24 hours to "empty" it. You were probably confused by the fact that it is never "Tuesday" for more than 24 hours in any given timezone (as illustrated by the counter that tracks Central Standard Time). Also note that it is never "Tuesday" simultaneously in all timezones.

So, not only do you have to be aware of the exact hour and day-of-the-year (absolute, not the date) of your birthday, you need to know what timezone you were born in and how that timezone relates to world time (in which it is ALWAYS two different dates simultaneously).

With all this confusion about dates and time, It's a good thing historians are diligent about keeping track of all this.

Q: What's wrong with this picture?
http://members.aol.com/rotanasnem/truth/dec25.gif

http://members.aol.com/rotanasnem/truth/jan4.gif
...according to the morons who edit the Chicago Tribune! Remember the ten days removed from the Gregorian calendar? Well, the English, in their infinite stupidity, refused to go along with the "Papist" calendar reform. They didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1752 (when it was 11 days off). So, everyone born in England between Oct 5, 1582 and Sep 2, 1752 has a birth-DATE that does not correspond to their birth-DAY. Jan 4 is Newton's birth-DAY (by the Gregorian calendar) but Dec 25 is his birth-DATE (by the Julian calendar). And it should also be obvious that they both can't be 1642. Although Jan 4 is the correct day, they have the wrong year listed - the Gregorian calendar had already become 1643. Unless you use the English convention of beginning the year in March. But if you use the Gregorian/Latin date, why would you use the Julian/English year? It doesn't make sense to intermix two different systems. And that is why EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG. The people who compile almanacs, write textbooks, and teach history are too ignorant of the facts, too lazy to take the time to explain them in their proper context, and too stupid to even realize a problem exists.

I hope you didn't spend any significant portion of your life studying English history, because everything you learned about Shakespeare, Queen Elizabeth, the beheading of Charles I, Oliver Cromwell, the Battle of the Boyne, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...IS WRONG! (At least the dates you had to memorize for the tests.)

Speaking of tests, remember back a few pages I asked how many people were born in Rome on Oct 13, 1582? If I had said LONDON, then I wouldn't have an answer, because Oct 13, 1582 DID exist in London. The following will be left as an exercise for the student:

How many people died in London on Sep 13, 1752?

But now that everyone's using the same calendar, is our current history okay? Remember, Everything You Know Is Wrong, so let's look at a modern example:

Politicians love symmetry. Remember Armistice Day - the Eleventh Minute of the Eleventh Hour of the Eleventh Day of the Eleventh Month? If they are so inclined to symmetry, why did the official surrender of Japan take place on Sep 2, 1945? World War II officially started on Sep 1, 1939. They had two weeks to get ready, Japan having ceased hostilities in mid August after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Q: Wouldn't it have been more symmetrical to have WWII end on the same day it started?

A: Yes, it would. That is why WWII ACTUALLY ended on the EXACT day it began.

As we learned from "Everything You Know ABOUT THE CALENDAR IS Wrong", an ANNIVERSARY and a DATE are not necessarily the same thing. Remember the World Time Map? When the official surrender was signed in Tokyo harbor, it was September 1st in Poland (where the official start of WWII took place).

But NOWHERE will you ever find it mentioned that WWII ended on the same day it started! When the almanac says, on Sep 2, that "World War II ended", it is WRONG! When it is Sep 2 in the United States, it is Sep 3 in Japan. Occasionally, an almanac will deliberately try to deceive you by stating "On this date...", never mentioning that "this date" is not today (as implied by the publication date).

Had enough?

Are you now convinced that everything you've been taught your entire life is wrong?

Then you are now ready for...

The TRUTH About The MILLENNIUM

The TRUTH is that there WAS a Year 0 A.D.

It was the year that preceded 1 A.D.

...and is commonly referred to as 1 B.C.

What the Dennis the Short actually created in the Sixth century (without realizing it because everything he knew about math was wrong) was a calendar composed of TWO different number systems that are offset by a year and are of opposite polarity (shown below with the Roman calendar (A.U.C.) as reference).
A.U.C. 751 752 753 754 755 756
A.D. 1 2 3
B.C. 3 2 1

From what we learned about counting and number systems, this is more properly expressed as:
A.U.C. 751 752 753 754 755 756
A.D. -2 -1 0 1 2 3
B.C. 3 2 1 0 -1 -2

We also learned that "dates" are meaningless without a reference point. That is why Newton has as many "birthdays" as there are calendars:

* Dec 25, 2395 A.U.C.
* Dec 25, 1642 A.D. (Julian)
* Jan 4, 1643 A.D. (Gregorian)

But the main thing we learned is that the TRUTH is hard to grasp. Reality is complicated. Simple minds crave simple answers, but simple answers are invariably WRONG. It is more convenient to keep track of your birth-DATE than the reality of your birth-DAY.
This "convenience of being wrong" is one reason why Everything You Know Is Wrong.

It is more convenient to just copy what's already written than to explain that the information has a different reference point than the one you are using. It is convenient just to pretend there was no year 0 because the truth is too difficult to understand. It is more convenient to teach simple wrong answers than make the effort to be right. And in trivial matters like Newton's birthday or yours, it doesn't really matter. But if you try to apply the "convenience of being wrong" to the real world, it will turn around and bite you in the ass. Just ask a CASIO engineer.

If you've gotten this far and read all the lessons, then you have no choice but to agree that the Millennium begins on Jan 1, 2000. Because we all know...
The Difference Between Ignorance And Stupidity

IGNORANT
a person who is merely unaware of the TRUTH
STUPID
a person who has had the TRUTH revealed to him but does not embrace it

And the TRUTH is...
Millennium First Year Last Year
FIRST 0 999
SECOND 1000 1999
THIRD 2000 2999

So if you insist that there was no Year 0, but still want to party with everyone else, just say you're celebrating
The Big Rollover

(when all four digits change simultaneously)

There's no disputing when that happens.
http://members.aol.com/rotanasnem/truth/eykw_t10.htm

:confused::confused::confused:

[john67]

Then why aren't people talking about it?
Why are there only a few websites containing info regarding this subject?
Why cant I find any official nasa reports on this subject?

you can't find any MSM coverage at all, the only site talking about it in great detail is GLP! But how far can you trust a tavistock operation? Pretty much the same about Comet Holmes, the OP and major contributer to the thread was banned, now the thread has turned into a religeous nutcase rant. Accident or design?

At the beginning of the year there were quite a few sites all about this galactic conjuction/cross but for some reason they are no longer there, (domains dead and lots of 404's).

strange but true....

[11indigo11]

you can't find any MSM coverage at all, the only site talking about it in great detail is GLP! But how far can you trust a tavistock operation? Pretty much the same about Comet Holmes, the OP and major contributer to the thread was banned, now the thread has turned into a religeous nutcase rant. Accident or design?

At the beginning of the year there were quite a few sites all about this galactic conjuction/cross but for some reason they are no longer there, (domains dead and lots of 404's).

strange but true....

I tried yahoo and found a few new sites but none of them are mainstream sites.

[11indigo11]

:d:d:d

[scar]

Bush gives all Federal employees the 24th off.

http://www.opm.gov/news/president-bush-delivers-december-24-as-a-day-off-for-federal-employees,1347.aspx

[amabus]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message471098/pg1

just found this info about it.
"Sun on a cross"...."Son on a cross"???

[cruise4]

"The only pole shift I am experiencing is the're leaving poland and invading the uk" :D

[21_12_2012]

"The only pole shift I am experiencing is the're leaving poland and invading the uk" :D

BUMP

It will be interesting to see if any Illuminati activities happen around 22-23rd. Could be a time of great energy, that they use for themselves, to enslave us further.

[dark86]

this article claims 2007 is 2012 here:

http://www.greatdreams.com/2007_is_2012.htm

[21_12_2012]

this article claims 2007 is 2012 here:

http://www.greatdreams.com/2007_is_2012.htm

Good stuff...thanks for sharing.

[kriss_crow]

you can't find any MSM coverage at all, the only site talking about it in great detail is GLP! But how far can you trust a tavistock operation? Pretty much the same about Comet Holmes, the OP and major contributer to the thread was banned, now the thread has turned into a religeous nutcase rant. Accident or design?

At the beginning of the year there were quite a few sites all about this galactic conjuction/cross but for some reason they are no longer there, (domains dead and lots of 404's).

strange but true....

I sent this info about 2012=2007 to some polish forum. There was about 40 res-
ponses within 12 hours. Many took this scenario as very probable and expected...
Now the thread misteriously is closed because of
"ips driver error". I checked - it's the only thread which cannot be browsed.

I'm very surprised that this subject is nearly abandoned on this forum.
Even thread about tattoos got 1400 views and 80 responses.
IMO it's one of the most important issue at the time:

WHAT IF IT'S REALLY COMING!?
What is more important, if the 23/24 December 2007 is the date
that many of us expected for so long?

Whats going on here, folks? 30 replies?

[scar]

the way I'm looking at the 23rd is this: I'm as ready as i'll ever be. I've found the stillness within myself to take care of any situtation the right way by following my intuition. so really, for me at least, I find it more interesting just reading / listening to people instead of getting into discussions at this point.

[lizzy]

the way I'm looking at the 23rd is this: I'm as ready as i'll ever be. I've found the stillness within myself to take care of any situtation the right way by following my intuition. so really, for me at least, I find it more interesting just reading / listening to people instead of getting into discussions at this point.

I need to find that stillness scar, I am glad you have it.

[dark86]

i also am a little shocked at this thread being somewhat dormant.

it all points towards the 23rd.

the divine forces have just changed my location and i am meditating daily and feeling at peace.

that is all one can do.

[magicmerlin]

You are right that if 'this is it' then most people will be taken completely unaware. However - what if nothing happens.....and then dare I say it nothing happens come 2012......I am not saying it won't, but 'what if'.....how long do you keep going.

[21_12_2012]

i also am a little shocked at this thread being somewhat dormant.

it all points towards the 23rd.

the divine forces have just changed my location and i am meditating daily and feeling at peace.

that is all one can do.

The 23rd could (should) be a good day for creative activities, and meditation.

[scar]

I need to find that stillness scar, I am glad you have it.

I'm sure I still have a long ways to go, so I don't want to come off as "knowing" what to do / how to do it, because I truly believe we're all in this together.

I will say this though, like 2012, and dark86 have said, meditation helps! I don't know if your doing it already but it really gets me centered in the moment. I like doing it as soon as I wake up then whenever I feel like it during the day.

<3

[aizzy]

We need to look at this.



2007

--
The Thing is, this might be a pile of goat bollox but we are moving into 2008.
In the eye of symbols, the look of 2008 is a 2 and two OO plus a 8 , put the two zero's together and u get another 8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_(number)
But if u completely remove the two Zero's and send them on holiday....
http://www.skegness.net/ .....you are left with the number 28, and the number 28 is the days it takes the moon to shine thee lunar rays upon Gaia's dome... http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/gaia.html ....so in a way 2008 might be the year of the moon and also will be the year of the rat.
Put the year of the rat with the year of the moon and you have a moon-rat..... http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Echinosorex_gymnura.html
..... plus when we talk about the moon we talk about the hidden, so maybe some treasure of the human past might spring a leak and we can say 'O' thats nice!!!! ;)


http://bp1.blogger.com/_h0ptpX-4ncM/RcX4IhSAfKI/AAAAAAAAAA8/1AjQ8LkBlT0/s1600-h/Lunar_libration_with_phase2.gif

[kriss_crow]

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

Watch this report; 80 eq within a single day.

[truthcommission]

There has been much activity going on at a universal level which is sending out ripples across entire galaxies. Our solar system itself going through a kind of system upgrade. It can be likened to a website undergoing a major update. Much work goes on behind the scenes before the changes actually go live. After the changes have been effected and all the information is migrated across the end user may still have the choice to use the old interface or move across the newer, lighter, more user friendly one.

All throughout the year I have been experiencing what I can only describe as creases in time. They are like little gaps in my linear perception of the world that reveal glimpses of the eternal nature of the soul and its universal nature. Being from a Celtic/Pagan background has also given me an insight into the nature of cycles. There will be a confluence of galactic events occurring around the Winter Solstice which was a major Celtic/Pagan event. The ancient Celtic seers and astronomers foresaw this.

[ooparticleoo]

You are right that if 'this is it' then most people will be taken completely unaware. However - what if nothing happens.....and then dare I say it nothing happens come 2012......I am not saying it won't, but 'what if'.....how long do you keep going.

IMO it's not whether "something happens" it's whether you are able to perceive
"something happening" and that is acutely personal

As for "how long do you keep going" as long as this universe sustains us (that might be quite some time)

[revolutionary_jam]

i heard that the run up to 2012 would befin to speed up at the end of 2007, can't remember where, perhaps it was on Libra Rising? so this doesn't surprise me...

[don azzaro]

IMO it's not whether "something happens" it's whether you are able to perceive "something happening" and that is acutely personal

That is the thing that people lose sight of. Everyone's reality is different and personal to them in the end.

Personally I've had a feeling that 'something is happening' for a while now, and everything feels close to the 'end' whatever that may entail. In the last week or so this feeling is intensifying and I really feel on the edge of something pivotal.

The hard part is not driving yourself mad trying to quantify it and give it a definite label. In places such as this with widespread theories and scenarios we can get lost trying to nail a single truth to the wall. Forgetting that is this way of thinking that has imprisoned us for all this time in the first place.

We're all people who've realised we've been lied to, and who now are paranoid about lying to themselves. I think a lot of the tensions in places such as these are down to the fact that people find it hard when their fragile new personal truths are questioned.

:)

[ashyr]

everyone steers clear of this thread POST 24th hahaha what a jip!

[truthcommission]

I was wondering who would be the first smarmy told you so smart ass to make such a remark. :rolleyes: