Who would be up for this?

[starschildren]

Note: This may be the wrong section, but as it has to do with a global government set up, I thought it might go here.

Who here would be up for a global government set up as follows?

Ruling Council – 13 members
(lets say Buddhist Monks because they are some of the most honest, good hearted people on this planet right now)

Country Councils / Speakers – 16 members / speakers
(people chosen by the people to speak for their country – must be honest and good hearted people)

State Councils / Speakers – How ever many states or regions there are in a country
(people chosen by the people to speak for their state – must be honest and good hearted people)

County Councils / Speakers – How ever many counties there are in a state
(people chosen by the people to speak for their county – must be honest and good hearted people)

Community Councils / Speakers – Say 13 communities per county
(people chosen by the people to speak for their communities – must be honest and good hearted people)

How it will work:

At the community level...
Each community will produce their own goods – food by community gardens, clothes made by hand, etc... each community member does something that is beneficial to themselves and the group (teaching, recording, gardening, training, etc...) - Once a week, once a month, they get together in a meeting that all community members can attend and put forth ideas to better the community and the world. The chosen speak for that community then goes forward to the county level.

At the county level...
The speaks of the communities meet once a month, once every other month and talk about the hardships or easiness of things, give each other ideas on how to do things (ex.: it works better to plant at this time of the year rather than that time of the year) – They talk about how to better the communities and the world, they share the ideas/request of the communities they represent – This is all passed on to the state level.

At the state level...
The speakers chosen to represent the counties meet, more than likely are county council members, once every other month, every two months, and talk about what would better the counties and communities (the state) as a whole – Deciding on which factors should be passed on to the next level, which is the country level.

At the country level...
The council members meet, once every 3-4 months – they take into account all of the states, counties, and community recommendations that have been decided to be put forth. They talk about these things, and put it to a vote on the whole, which ones are the most prominent, which ones need to be passed on at this time. Those items they decided are most prominent get passed on to the ruling council.

At the ruling council level...
They meet once every 6 months... they listen to all of the country speakers, they discuss, and they decide how to act. Example being: Would this better the entire world, or would this only better one country? If it would only better one country it is passed back down to the country level. If it would better the entire world, it is decided on how to implement it.

Now, the items that are passed back down to the country level, because it would not better the entire world, the country councils decide 1. will this better the entire country, or 2. is more of a situation where it will only better a particular state? If it will better the entire country, they decide how to implement it, getting input from the states and counties and communities. If it is decided it will only better a particular state, it is passed back down to the state council.

The items that are passed back down to the state level, because it would not better the entire country, the state councils decide 1. will this better the entire state, or 2. is more of a situation where it will only better a particular county? If it will better the entire state, they decide how to implement it, getting input from the counties and communities. If it is decided it will only better a particular county, it is passed back down to the county level.

The items that are passed back down to the county level, because it would not better the entire state, the county councils decide 1. will this better the entire county or 2. is more of a situation where it will only better a particular community? If it will better the entire county, they decide how to implement it, getting input from the communities. If it is decided it will only better a particular community, it is passed back down to the community level.

The items that are passed back down to the community level are then put forth before all community members and decided on how to implement it. This could be a 6 months – a year from it was first brought up.

Economics:
There is no money... it is a bartering system... you can barter with other countries for what they produce that you do not if a country wants a particular item that no one inside of that country is producing. If someone inside that country produces it, you barter with them between the states. If there is somewhere else in the same state that produces it, you barter between the counties for it. If its inside the same county, you barter between the communities for it.

BUT all the needs are met within the communities. Food is grown, homes are built, children are taught, medical is provided, all is FREE. But every member has to do something to contribute to the entire community. Either by being a teacher, a gardener, a laborer, a midwife, a healer, etc... Housing is provided as it is a right to have a roof of some kind over your head. Food is provided as it is a right to eat. Medical is provided if you need it because it is a right to receive medical. Everyone is provided for, no matter their station, but they must help contribute (which may be hard to do at first, but sooner or later everyone is gonna get on board with it and it will take care of itself after that).

Fighting / War
Does not exist. It has no reason to happen. You do not have to fight with another community, you do not have to fight with another county, you do not have to fight with another state, or country... you are all working together for the same thing... to benefit yourselves, your children, those around you, and for future generations. War does not exist. Yes, disputes happen, but they are worked out peacefully, compromises are used.

Environment
The environment is looked after as if your life depends on it, because it does. Your trees, your plants, your waters are your life source. You walk in your community, if you need to travel between communities or counties or states you may 1. take a bus (which is free) or 2. take a horse (which is free). If you need to travel between states or countries, you take a plane (which is free) or a boat (which is free). The vehicles that are used for the above reasons will be made energy efficient and environmentally friendly. Older vehicles and technology that harms the environment will be scrapped for use in other things, either better vehicles or technology, or for use in household or community needs.

[theace1002]

love this idea. Sounds like a perfect world to me

[ryanwallack]

I like the way it is. >.> Change sucks. :mad:

[starschildren]

I like the way it is. >.> Change sucks. :mad:

May I ask why you like the way things are? Or more so, what about the way things are that you like?

I am genuinely curious as to what about the way things are now that you like. Is it just a fear of change or are there aspects about the world the way it is that you actually like.

[shane]

Perfect in theory, but how do you ensure that all these representatives are good, honest people? How do you deal with psychopaths in this society?

[starschildren]

Perfect in theory, but how do you ensure that all these representatives are good, honest people? How do you deal with psychopaths in this society?

Psychopaths? Paranoid delusional's? Like what people on this site are accused of being for our beliefs? Beliefs are beliefs, you have free will to think and believe whatever you want as long as it does not harm others (like taking it to the violent state and hurting people).

Or do you mean the rapists and child molesters, murderers? Unfortunately, these are inbreeding's and society created IMO. To deal with this, you give them lifelong therapy, beginning in a shut off part of the world (an island somewhere) and treat them until they understand the actions they have done and how it harmed not only others, but themselves as well. Once they understand this, they can be reintegrated into society and given therapy on a weekly basis if needed, bi-weekly if not weekly. They can talk about the "why" for what they do, and the "how" for what they could be doing to change their past behaviors from effecting their current life. And this is only dealing with the people who have grown up in the society the way it is now, they are created by the society that they live in (again, just my opinion). Once this society, as stated above, was up and running, children would grow up in loving homes, be raised by the community practically, and would grow up to be good people because that is the way society would affect them. They would be taught from an early age about morals, and honor, and goodness, the positives of the world instead of seeing wars, crimes, negative all around them. Society change would in effect change people. If you don't grow up seeing murders on TV and war in the world, if you don't grow up seeing rapes occur in your community, you never think those things are good nor do you commit those crimes because you have no understanding of "why" you would do this, it is unthinkable.

How to ensure representatives are good? As things are now, that would be hard to do. Given that it starts on a community basis (one on one basis basically where everyone knows everyone), you have a good idea of who you are asking to represent you. The ones you choose to represent your community, are going to sit on the county level, from the county level your going to send some of the same people to represent you at the state level. And so on, the people that are presenting the ideas and requests of the communities to the ruling council would be everyday people that others know on a personal basis. The ruling council, would be made up of the same kind of people (I used Buddhist monks in my example because, they have never gone to war over a book, or over the material aspects of life, to my knowledge they have never gone to war at all, and they respect LIFE, they love, they have compassion and understanding. They would make a good ruling council for that reason, they respect life above all else.). You need people who respect life above all else, material things matter not to them, but the life and betterment of not only themselves but others, to sit the ruling council.

[shane]

Psychopaths? Paranoid delusional's? Like what people on this site are accused of being for our beliefs? Beliefs are beliefs, you have free will to think and believe whatever you want as long as it does not harm others (like taking it to the violent state and hurting people).


When I say psychopaths, I mean people without empathy.

Or do you mean the rapists and child molesters, murderers? Unfortunately, these are inbreeding's and society created IMO.

Yes, those are essentially the kind of people I'm referring to. I guess I'm not convinced that 100% of these people are products of their environment. I have no doubt at all that social engineering and manipulation via TV, music, etc desensitizes entire generations and heavily influences behaviour. The question is, how is it that some people are so much more easily swayed towards behaving in cruel, inhumane ways than others?

[starschildren]

When I say psychopaths, I mean people without empathy.



Yes, those are essentially the kind of people I'm referring to. I guess I'm not convinced that 100% of these people are products of their environment. I have no doubt at all that social engineering and manipulation via TV, music, etc desensitizes entire generations and heavily influences behaviour. The question is, how is it that some people are so much more easily swayed towards behaving in cruel, inhumane ways than others?

I have no way of answering that questions. If you believe in reincarnation, it could be that they have been this way through many lifetimes and thus their spirit/soul/personality has be re-tainted, life after life and it is all they know, literally all they know and understand because of so many lifetimes being tainted by society influences that promote death, war, rape, dishonor and no morality at all. I mean, if you had lived 20 lifetimes in a society that teaches you "kill" "rape" "molest" "steal", you think you'd be born with a subconscious understanding that the above is okay to do again?

Then again, some people could just be born bad, it is very possible. For those who could not be reintegrated into society because of the fact that they do not understand why what they did was wrong (morally wrong), then I guess another island would have to be set up to transport these beings to. They will be guarded, and allowed to grow their own food, make their own clothes, set up their own community which will allow them to live the rest of their lives out. Working like the rest of the world, but not integrated into the society of the rest of the world.

Precautions would need to be taken to protect a peaceful way of life, but not by killing those who can't change because that would only continue teaching that it is okay to kill. Even though, I personally think and feel, that if you harm a child you should be killed (even though I think that, it's not morally right and should not be acted on or taught as "its okay to do"), just goes to show that even with the best of intentions we can think/feel one way and act another.

[lebensgefahr]

I do not want budist monks to rule over me tyvm.

[starschildren]

Another thing we have to account for is:
People who are controlled.

Those people who do things, not of their own will, and not even consciously. If we take into account what others speak of, brainwashed, MKUltra, projects... we have to come up with a way to deal with the products of those projects. Do we give them therapy, life long and reintegrate them into society? If we can yes. If they cannot be reintegrapted, do we send them to the same island as the others? No, because it is a different situation and a different type of person. The controlled, need to be where they will not be at the mercy of others, and where they will not be taken advantage of. Which means, a third island somewhere, where they can continue to recieve treatment and be monitored. But, with this, we would have a better chance of reintegration, if therapy could work with those we could put them back in society. And it isn't that the violent way is all they know, it's that they were programmed to respond and do those things, it wasn't willingly that they did it, it was something that caused them to do it.

[starschildren]

I do not want budist monks to rule over me tyvm.

Buddhist monks were just an example. If someone else, who is as gentle of a person as they are, can be put on the ruling council, by all means do it. It doesn't have to be a Buddhist monk, it just needs to be someone who respects life above all else, and believes in the betterment of not only themselves but others as well.

[shane]

I have no way of answering that questions. If you believe in reincarnation, it could be that they have been this way through many lifetimes and thus their spirit/soul/personality has be re-tainted, life after life and it is all they know, literally all they know and understand because of so many lifetimes being tainted by society influences that promote death, war, rape, dishonor and no morality at all. I mean, if you had lived 20 lifetimes in a society that teaches you "kill" "rape" "molest" "steal", you think you'd be born with a subconscious understanding that the above is okay to do again?

Then again, some people could just be born bad, it is very possible. For those who could not be reintegrated into society because of the fact that they do not understand why what they did was wrong (morally wrong), then I guess another island would have to be set up to transport these beings to. They will be guarded, and allowed to grow their own food, make their own clothes, set up their own community which will allow them to live the rest of their lives out. Working like the rest of the world, but not integrated into the society of the rest of the world.

Precautions would need to be taken to protect a peaceful way of life, but not by killing those who can't change because that would only continue teaching that it is okay to kill. Even though, I personally think and feel, that if you harm a child you should be killed (even though I think that, it's not morally right and should not be acted on or taught as "its okay to do"), just goes to show that even with the best of intentions we can think/feel one way and act another.


Fair enough, you make some good points there.

If you believe in reincarnation, it could be that they have been this way through many lifetimes and thus their spirit/soul/personality has be re-tainted, life after life and it is all they know, literally all they know and understand because of so many lifetimes being tainted by society influences that promote death, war, rape, dishonor and no morality at all. I mean, if you had lived 20 lifetimes in a society that teaches you "kill" "rape" "molest" "steal", you think you'd be born with a subconscious understanding that the above is okay to do again?

That's something I've never really considered before, I'm open to the possibility. I'm not sure what I think about reincarnation, but I am quite sure about the intervention of malevolent other-dimensional beings in human affairs. This seems to have plagued humanity since the beginning of time, or at least the cycle we're in at this point. I believe that bringing the existence of these entities out into the open is the only way to purge our world of this darkness. Unlocking that code is what is going to set us free, but for that to become a reality I think we're going to need some kind of intervention, like perhaps our DNA altering and picking up alternate frequencies.

With a significant shift in collective perception like that, I don't think we would have to think too hard about how to structure a new society, it would kind of just follow as a manifestation of the conciousness shift.

[starschildren]

Fair enough, you make some good points there.



That's something I've never really considered before, I'm open to the possibility. I'm not sure what I think about reincarnation, but I am quite sure about the intervention of malevolent other-dimensional beings in human affairs. This seems to have plagued humanity since the beginning of time, or at least the cycle we're in at this point. I believe that bringing the existence of these entities out into the open is the only way to purge our world of this darkness. Unlocking that code is what is going to set us free, but for that to become a reality I think we're going to need some kind of intervention, like perhaps our DNA altering and picking up alternate frequencies.

With a significant shift in collective perception like that, I don't think we would have to think too hard about how to structure a new society, it would kind of just follow as a manifestation of the conciousness shift.

Agreed... if Earth, humans particularly, underwent a massive upgrade in consciousness things would just fall into place.

I am actually surprised by the poll results... people say they want change, but they don't really wanna change and/or they don't know what kind of change they want. Peace, all out war, or everybody on their own instead of working together.

[lee13]

'Good thinking' Anything's better than the shit dick heads taking the piss now.

[knightofthegrail]

Terrible idea; its just another global governance structure. We need the structure to collapse, so that we can rediscover what it means to be human and part of a rooted community, rather than have some version of it manipulated across the planet.

[ryanwallack]

Perfect in theory, but how do you ensure that all these representatives are good, honest people? How do you deal with psychopaths in this society?

Ah yes, you raise a great point. I agree with you almost 110% :)

[level42]

Terrible idea; its just another global governance structure. We need the structure to collapse, so that we can rediscover what it means to be human and part of a rooted community, rather than have some version of it manipulated across the planet.
Agree.I do not want another government run anything.Good hearted people?I think that is unenforceable.And there will be pleanty who profess to have good hearts but once a bit of power goes to their heads,usually its all out for what they can get for themselves.:rolleyes:
I just want to be free,I don't want anybody ruling over me.
I would rather have small villages say,(if it were possible)where everyone had a say in what went on.I do not know if it would be workable,but you have to start somewhere and I would rather this than another structure.

[starschildren]

I can see why a lot of you would not be up for this, after having the current set up for so long. Another government system, especially globally, could be quite unnerving the kind of control they could get.

But living on a village level, everyone for themselves basically, how would that work? Is that not what started the current way of government? You had villages, towns, cities run by rulers, who warred with one another over whatever they wanted? Would it not be a risk to do it again that way? Would there not need to be something set up in the way of a council where everyone could voice their opinions and ideas, work things out peacefully instead of one village attacking another? Why repeat history if it can be changed is basically what i am saying.

But, as I said, I can completely understand the unsettling thoughts one could get from the idea of a global government set up, even with the best of intentions involved in it.

[shane]

But, as I said, I can completely understand the unsettling thoughts one could get from the idea of a global government set up, even with the best of intentions involved in it.


That's right, you know what they say about the road to hell and all that. I have to admit I'm a bit Utopia-phobic.

Did I just coin a new politically-correct phrase there?

[level42]

I can see why a lot of you would not be up for this, after having the current set up for so long. Another government system, especially globally, could be quite unnerving the kind of control they could get.

But living on a village level, everyone for themselves basically, how would that work? Is that not what started the current way of government? You had villages, towns, cities run by rulers, who warred with one another over whatever they wanted? Would it not be a risk to do it again that way? Would there not need to be something set up in the way of a council where everyone could voice their opinions and ideas, work things out peacefully instead of one village attacking another? Why repeat history if it can be changed is basically what i am saying.

But, as I said, I can completely understand the unsettling thoughts one could get from the idea of a global government set up, even with the best of intentions involved in it.

If everything collapsed tomorrow and there were no ruling bodies it would be great,I'd love it.But realisiticly,in the long term I wonder if there would at some point have to be some sort of coming together as in the form of some sort of village,community,whatever you want to call it?As things are now,we all have neighbours,so at some point when we may be desperate,we surely would have to share knowledge,food,water,work or life skills in order to survive.Over time,a sort of community would appear,I don't see how it wouldn't?I would not like a head in charge,or a leader again:p.Thats why I stated I would like an agreement by everybody,a mutual decision process.Nobody should be ruling over anybody else,it would hopefully be mutual understanding,consideration,that sort of thing.Also I don't like the sound of 'council',if there were such a body I'd call them something else.:D
I don't know if I'd want to be part of it though,not for a long time,but it may be the only thing in order to survive?