The 'Cast No Aspersions' Manifesto

[adimon]

Please add your name to this list if you believe in refraining from calling other forum members 'troll', 'shill', 'agent', 'stupid', 'ignorant', 'fascist', 'nazi', 'liar' or any other terms of abuse, attack and generalisations that lead to the disintegration of polite discussion, debate and learning.

The more people willing to observe this norm, the less disruption and time-wasting will occur.

It will enable all of us to focus our energies into the research and communication which is valuable to all of us.

The whole "You disagree with me so you must be paid by the CIA to come here" thing is old, boring, tiresome, and downight daft and childish.

I hope you're all up for it.

Chris

P.S> If you could see your way clear to replying ASAP please, cuz I have to be back in Langley tomorrow afternoon to debrief General Hayden on the latest forum gossip :D :p

P.P.S> Who knows, maybe you totally disagree with me and advocate name-calling? Please have your say here too!

[adimon]

<bump> Bit of a shaky start - a handful of views and no replies ! :eek:

[lottie]

I dont think we should call each other names....it would be nice if this didnt happen but also diversity is a wonderful thing and how would we appreciate the positive without experiencing the negative???

I still believe though that we can all get across our points/thoughts/beliefs/feelings without being rude to each other! We can all have bad days which is understandable also!

This forum is full of so many different souls all on different paths and together with the nature of the topics discussed and the impact it has on the world and its inhabitants (us)....i doubt very much it will stop!

People on here have passion and thats something not a lot of people have much of anymore because they are so dumbed down.......this is still far from an ideal world!! :)

[adimon]

Thanks Lottie :)

[on the road]

Sticks and stones will break my bones.....

Lottie got it right with passion ,we are only human and sometimes people get carried away and say nasty things.

peace and love .

[adimon]

The idea of this thread is not suggesting that we police name-calling, but as a way of saying "I will not call names by my own choice"

EDIT: Yeah 'words will never hurt me', but they can disintegrate a debate.

People might think I made this thread because I'm sick of being called a troll...and they'd be partly right. But I'm also sick of seeing other people get called stuff...on the basis of one sentence sometimes! :mad:

[mightiswrong]

If you could see your way clear to replying ASAP please, cuz I have to be back in Langley tomorrow afternoon to debrief General Hayden on the latest forum gossip



SHILL ALERT. SHILL ALERT. SHILL ALERT.

Danger. SHILLS disrupting discussions.

All hands watch out for and identify enemy agents.

[adimon]

Wow, mightiswrong, that's so mature. Thank you for investigating the infiltration of the forum by agents and exposing them based on evidence you've scrupulously gathered. Thanks especially for reading through people's posts before you judge them.

[mightiswrong]

Who, what, me? :confused:

[adimon]

Yeah you. If you don't agree with a personal choice not to name-call, why don't you have the guts to tell me exactly where you get off calling me a shill?

EDIT: *Thought to self* Hmm...I wonder how long I can keep this out of the Rant Room? :confused:

[woghd]

Adimon, this whole thread is trolling, lol.
But I still love ya like a brother.

Archangel

[adimon]

Adimon, this whole thread is trolling, lol.
But I still love ya like a brother.

Archangel

HOW is it trolling?

If I was asking people to voice their support for Ron Paul, I'd get detractors and supporters, so how is that any different? Besides the current lack of any support for my notion! :D

I asked for suggestions for Charitable Causes to raise money for on another thread and had no suggestions in reply!

What's up with people? There's no trust issue here. I'm not asking for info. I'm not profiling. I'm encouraging politeness!

Oh well. Que sera sera.

[mightiswrong]

Maybe you shouln't have said you were going to "debrief General Hayden" tomorrow afternoon if you are not working for the govt?

Besides you see nothing wrong with people calling me an "extremist".

[adimon]

Maybe you shouln't have said you were going to "debrief General Hayden" tomorrow afternoon if you are not working for the govt?

Besides you see nothing wrong with people calling me an "extremist".

The Hayden thing was a total joke. I am a student and fitness trainer.

I disagree with calling people ANY name as a way of lowering the tone of a thread, whether that name be EXTREMIST or SHILL. A shill is dishonest and I'm completely honest on this forum. So I take it as an insult.

When titurel called you an extremist, I offered my own definition of an extremist. I didn't call you an extremist, and was instead trying to concentrate debate on people's visions of a revolution. Did you not throw a name at him before he threw one at you? Don't you see how it works?

[mightiswrong]

No he called me an extremist first.

The Hayden thing was a total joke. I am a student and fitness trainer.

I disagree with calling people ANY name as a way of lowering the tone of a thread, whether that name be EXTREMIST or SHILL. A shill is dishonest and I'm completely honest on this forum. So I take it as an insult.

I was joking too. ;)

[mightiswrong]

Would you agree that all "ist" words eg. individualist, socialist, anarchist, realist, extremist, atheist etc. should also be avoided as part of this manifesto?

[king]

i add my name to this list because i believe in refraining from calling other forum members 'troll', 'shill', 'agent', 'stupid', 'ignorant', 'fascist', 'nazi', 'liar' or any other terms of abuse, attack and generalisations that lead to the disintegration of polite discussion, debate and learning.

[on the road]

Would you agree that all "ist" words eg. individualist, socialist, anarchist, realist etc. should also be avoided as part of this manifesto?

the ragged trousered philanthropist should never be avoided.

[woghd]

I'm the extremist!

Trolling is creating a post or thread simply to start controversy and drama.
I think, Adimon, that maybe you were trolling at least a little bit.
Be honest now.

Now that doesn't mean you are a troll. I don't think you are. A troll is someone who goes from thread to thread just to stir them up, and I've never seen you do that. Averybody has trolled from time to time, but not everyone is a troll.

This thread, dude, is such a trolling thread it's even about calling people trolls, it just begs for people to jump in and give their own examples (damn, that's what I just did) and accuse people of being trolls. (omg) It even asks people to add their name to a list.

I guess I just fell for troll-bait.

Adimon, I don't think you're a troll. But you CAN troll when you want, and I've seen you do it.

As for this thread...It's trollisciously trollified. Trollus Maximus. in Panatrollic troll-mation with Trollby Trollround sound.

http://www.lakemichiganangler.com/store/photos/precision_trolling.jpg

:) <-------- This smiley left behind to ensure that this post has no malicious intent, and is intended to cause a small chuckle and be forgotten.

Archangel

[adimon]

No he called me an extremist first.

Ok, well the important thing is that you sorted it out, and the debate moved on.

I was joking too. ;) Really? Next time leave a smiley so I don't think you are actually screaming SHILL ALERT, ok?! :)

Would you agree that all "ist" words eg. individualist, socialist, anarchist, realist, extremist, atheist etc. should also be avoided as part of this manifesto?

Not personally no, because I don't seem them as insults. I suspect that most people would take greater offense at being called a fascist than a realist because of its historical connotations. Also, people sometimes use isms to describe themselves, even if they are not precise labels. e.g. I would call myself a realist, and I have beliefs in common with Mearsheimer who also calls himself a realist; but Machiavelli is seen as an early precursor to classical realism and IMO most of his writings are now obsolete.

Thanks King for putting your name down! :)

[viginti tres]

Add me to the list.....this forum has so much potential if only we used the energy we waste hurling abuse at one another in a productive way.....

P.S Adimon I see your emotion is set to "In love", congrats and all the best.

Power to the Peaceful.

Mitchell.

[cruise4]

I generally think people should say whatever they want. There are lines I believe but if people wish to cross them its not my decision and there will be consequences. One thing I detest is Political Correctness. If people don't out themselves as uninformed how can they be helped. Transparency and free Speech are vital. There are also members from across the age range and political, cultural spectrums. I understand where you are coming from but lets have it out in the open.

[adimon]

I'm also up for 'having it out in the open' regarding ones views - airing my views has led to a number of heated debates, but whats the use of name calling?

Thats the only thing I want to see stop.

Cheers

[cruise4]

Because not everyone airs their views in your prescribed manner. Nor is everyone at the same literal level.

[zero1]

But smart money bets there ARE people on here being paid by someone somewhere to confuse, misdirect, spread disinfo and generally bait others into revealing their ignorance of what is really going on.

However, you are right in a sense. What OP proposes might work if there were sufficient collective intelligence @ work here, but the skeptic in me...

I shall refrain from condemnation as you suggest.

[adimon]

Nice one, zero1! :)

[steevo]

I hope you're all up for it.

Too right ol' loose lips! :p

[adimon]

Cheers steevo. I knew I could count on you. :)

[k525]

Yep, I'm all for it!

Keith

[adimon]

*bump*

[drael]

I agree wholeheartedly. Its infantile, and moreover, pointless...

[adramelech]

I really fail to see how outting someone as a troll or a shill is the equivalent of an ad hominem attack akin to labelling someone "stupid". The fact of the matter is that such people are and have been extremely prevalent anywhere and everywhere on the internet, since it first began to grow in popularity as a public forum.

In the modern age of the internet, trolling and shilling has turned into a bustling advertising business - viral marketing, a pop culture term encompassing many propaganda and disinformation techniques.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet))

http://www.mnforsustain.org/media_delphi_technique_of_disinformation_stuter_l. htm

Viral advertising companies hire employess who are paid simply to create as many message board aliases as possible, on as many message boards as possible, spreading the client's website or product in deceptive and subtle ways. This is identical to how spook agents have operated for decades and the popularity of the internet now allows them to employ normal people to tow the line covertly.

Sitting around acting like this sort of thing doesn't exist is just being naive.

[lemonique]

Please add your name to this list if you believe in refraining from calling other forum members 'troll', 'shill', 'agent', 'stupid', 'ignorant', 'fascist', 'nazi', 'liar' or any other terms of abuse, attack and generalisations that lead to the disintegration of polite discussion, debate and learning.

The more people willing to observe this norm, the less disruption and time-wasting will occur.

It will enable all of us to focus our energies into the research and communication which is valuable to all of us.

The whole "You disagree with me so you must be paid by the CIA to come here" thing is old, boring, tiresome, and downight daft and childish.

I hope you're all up for it.

Chris

P.S> If you could see your way clear to replying ASAP please, cuz I have to be back in Langley tomorrow afternoon to debrief General Hayden on the latest forum gossip :D :p

P.P.S> Who knows, maybe you totally disagree with me and advocate name-calling? Please have your say here too!



Yes Sir! Thank-you Sir! Sargeant SIR!! 1-2-3-4, 1-2.....3-4

Good idea Adimon. I've been trying to keep it polite, it's just that I can get very passionate about certain things :eek:

I'll try harder ;)

Have a good week-end!

Lemonique

[adimon]

Yes Sir! Thank-you Sir! Sargeant SIR!! 1-2-3-4, 1-2.....3-4

Good idea Adimon. I've been trying to keep it polite, it's just that I can get very passionate about certain things :eek:

I'll try harder ;)

Have a good week-end!

Lemonique

LOL :D

Your idea of drill is very funny!

I'm not trying to be the sergeant, and anyone who wishes to continue name-calling is free to do so. I'm not saying that people shouldn't have heated arguments, I just don't see the point in calling someone 'stupid' or a 'shill' etc, just because they take a different stance.

But well done for putting your name to this thread. And thank you. :)

[adimon]

For all the newcomers on the forum, this thread is kinda like a petition against name-calling on the forum.

Please put your name to it if you think name-calling is silly and damaging. :)

[pinkfreud]

*adds name*


:)

[justnotsure]

I do and I won't.