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jimijams
06-03-2007, 09:43 AM
After reading the many posts here about creating reality, making it rain or getting a good result from your insurance company by focusing your intent I thought I might raise another question after an experience today.

Does following conspiracy and listening to commentaters like Icke and Alex Jones actually help usher in the new world order? After all you do create your reality according to your beliefs and the idea of waking up is only awakening to an alternate reality just as illusory as the one you woke up from.

I had an experience today which caused me to ponder this. I was doing research on chemtrails reading Scott Stevens website weatherwars, focusing my intent on this problem. I then walk out my front door and low and behold a jet is flying directly over my home spraying a chemtrail!
Now did I create this by focusing my intent on the problem, is it synchronisity or just coincidence? Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

It's a bit of a mind fuck but I would appreciate any thoughts..

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 10:33 AM
The illusion is caused by "mass creation"...

The mass is letting it happen, without knowledge of it.

If we were to focus our minds on STOPPING it rather than just NOTICING it and pondering on the problem, then perhaps something better could happen.

friendsinthesky
06-03-2007, 10:44 AM
Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

I doubt it. As recent as 2weeks ago, I saw a UFO over melbourne (early morning) and I wasn't expecting it BUT an hour later a plane flew over leaving chemtrails, I wasn't expecting or thinking about that either.

oneofmany
06-03-2007, 10:54 AM
After reading the many posts here about creating reality, making it rain or getting a good result from your insurance company by focusing your intent I thought I might raise another question after an experience today.

Does following conspiracy and listening to commentaters like Icke and Alex Jones actually help usher in the new world order? After all you do create your reality according to your beliefs and the idea of waking up is only awakening to an alternate reality just as illusory as the one you woke up from.

I had an experience today which caused me to ponder this. I was doing research on chemtrails reading Scott Stevens website weatherwars, focusing my intent on this problem. I then walk out my front door and low and behold a jet is flying directly over my home spraying a chemtrail!
Now did I create this by focusing my intent on the problem, is it synchronisity or just coincidence? Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

It's a bit of a mind fuck but I would appreciate any thoughts..

I've thought about that very thing and my answer to not creating that reality is to simply rise above it, and by that i mean i just take all this in as just information, I try not to get emotional about what i read or hear.

I don't let it cloud my views and core beliefs because my core belief is that we are all living in a singular linear consciousness, which knows all because it creates all and can feel the love and the hate in truth and thus rise above it to find something beautiful in even the most aphorent things, and my views are derived from the outlook on life I have by my core beliefs.

David icke is right, Love is all there is and when you know that, I believe you avoid the trap of manifesting Fear in your life, but as a society, I just don't think that enough people believe as i do to manifest an alternate reality for humanity yet.

pollock
06-03-2007, 11:34 AM
I have been thinking about this too, and if we where truly to follow yhe "creating your own reality" theory, I guess we should never think about these things at all.
My experience with chemtrails is the opposite though, I started noticing them about a two years ago, thinking it was odd that the contrails of some of the planes stayed and spread out across the sky! It wasn't until the end of last summer as I was researching the Illuminati after reading Juri Lina's book on masons (a very informative book by the way) that I stumbled across info on chemtrails. :cool:

stan
06-03-2007, 11:47 AM
After reading the many posts here about creating reality, making it rain or getting a good result from your insurance company by focusing your intent I thought I might raise another question after an experience today.

Does following conspiracy and listening to commentaters like Icke and Alex Jones actually help usher in the new world order? After all you do create your reality according to your beliefs and the idea of waking up is only awakening to an alternate reality just as illusory as the one you woke up from.

I had an experience today which caused me to ponder this. I was doing research on chemtrails reading Scott Stevens website weatherwars, focusing my intent on this problem. I then walk out my front door and low and behold a jet is flying directly over my home spraying a chemtrail!
Now did I create this by focusing my intent on the problem, is it synchronisity or just coincidence? Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

It's a bit of a mind fuck but I would appreciate any thoughts..

Hi ya jim
I suppose you could look at it from the point of view of what you resist persists. We do live in an illusion and we can also alter this illusion to suit yourself and others. If you focus on the illuminati or chemtrails and get negative vibes from it that is what you will create from that situation or topic. Just thinking about the chemmies and mixed with emotion the universe will line you up with chemtrail sightings how ever it is up to you how you choose to feel about them. The nwo want us to be in fear and anger hey feed off it. They know how this force works and it gets used against us every day and as hard as it can be some days one good way of combating it is to give as much good as you can even if it is just a smile. its good energy you are putting out there for the collective consciousness also you will attract more posotive experiences because you do get back what you put in!!
After all of this raving i guess what i am trying to say is if you put out posotive energy on a consistant basis you will be doing your part to overide their program. We must gather info for our own good we are blessed to have people like david and the people on this forum to get different points of view.
It might not be very good news a lot of the time but as i say they want to keep us in fear for a reason we just need to take the info we recieve (if it feels right to us)and do what feels right with it. And last but not least give out some good every day even if it just a smile that will override their fear mongering program anyday.
Cheers
S:o

mara of the acoma
06-03-2007, 11:51 AM
After reading the many posts here about creating reality, making it rain or getting a good result from your insurance company by focusing your intent I thought I might raise another question after an experience today.

Does following conspiracy and listening to commentaters like Icke and Alex Jones actually help usher in the new world order? After all you do create your reality according to your beliefs and the idea of waking up is only awakening to an alternate reality just as illusory as the one you woke up from.

I had an experience today which caused me to ponder this. I was doing research on chemtrails reading Scott Stevens website weatherwars, focusing my intent on this problem. I then walk out my front door and low and behold a jet is flying directly over my home spraying a chemtrail!
Now did I create this by focusing my intent on the problem, is it synchronisity or just coincidence? Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

It's a bit of a mind fuck but I would appreciate any thoughts..

If you believe that you create your own reality with your thoughts and if you believe that you will help manifest the illuminati through believing in them, then you will.

limelady
06-03-2007, 12:07 PM
I guess if you want to over-ride the Illuminati program, you have to at least know what the program is. Its only ignorance that has allowed the program to continue as long as it has and get to the point of 'almost' no return. Who coined the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"? Yeah well they spoke CRAP. Life is NOT bliss for the many ignorant who are suffering every day of their lives.

There's another old saying....this one I go along with - 'Know thy enemy". Its only through knowing what you are facing that you can ever hope to over-ride it? Yes?

So information/education is the key in my opinion.

But of course I could be completely wrong.............

mara of the acoma
06-03-2007, 12:29 PM
I guess if you want to over-ride the Illuminati program, you have to at least know what the program is. Its only ignorance that has allowed the program to continue as long as it has and get to the point of 'almost' no return. Who coined the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"? Yeah well they spoke CRAP. Life is NOT bliss for the many ignorant who are suffering every day of their lives.

There's another old saying....this one I go along with - 'Know thy enemy". Its only through knowing what you are facing that you can ever hope to over-ride it? Yes?

So information/education is the key in my opinion.

But of course I could be completely wrong.............

What if there was no Illuminati program before you first read about it?
What if there was no enemy before you decided to try to know him?

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 12:42 PM
What if there was no Illuminati program before you first read about it?
What if there was no enemy before you decided to try to know him?

That's how it always is.

If it wasn't for the news, there would be no war in Africa. Atleast, I wouldn't have known about it.

There was no AIDS in the 70's. But people were dying just the same.

But there's one think I've never believed.
And in the words of a hero of mine.

Plaque is just a myth created by the liberal media and the dental industry to deceive people into buying useless pastes and appliances. ;)


Basically, nothing exists until you know, or are taught that it exists.

jimijams
06-03-2007, 12:45 PM
Seek not to change the world, but choose to change your mind about the world.
:)

mara of the acoma
06-03-2007, 12:47 PM
Basically, nothing exists until you know, or are taught that it exists.

:hi five:

teslafire
06-03-2007, 12:49 PM
I think there is misery and beauty in every aspect of life. The illuminati is just another part of life, like the grand organizing principle so I see the evil they bring...but I also see their discpline, dedication, imagination and can be inspired by the good aspects of it. I found I had to adopt such a view when I considered the conclusion that the "Illuminati" are responsible for History; all of it. They are the forefathers we grew up worshipping anyway, like Bono.

limelady
06-03-2007, 12:51 PM
What if there was no Illuminati program before you first read about it?
What if there was no enemy before you decided to try to know him?

Well then I guess David Icke (for one) is just sitting round on his ass writing books for nothing then....using that logic there was no Illuminati until he discovered it and wrote about it, and I and others read about it. :o

Oh dear. Does that make me responsible for all the shite in the world then?

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 12:55 PM
Well then I guess David Icke (for one) is just sitting round on his ass writing books for nothing then....using that logic there was no Illuminati until he discovered it and wrote about it, and I and others read about it. :o

Oh dear. Does that make me responsible for all the shite in the world then?

Pretty much.

Like, there were no spanish, until the shaman could see their ships. ;)

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 12:58 PM
basically, the phrase "Everything is an illusion" is not only meant literally, but also figuratively.

Nothing exist until you know about it.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist....



AHHH!!! :eek: RUMSFELD LOGIC!! HELPPP!!! :eek:

limelady
06-03-2007, 01:00 PM
Pretty much.

Like, there were no spanish, until the shaman could see their ships. ;)

Thanks your lordship.....you've really made my day! :eek:

jimijams
06-03-2007, 01:05 PM
basically, the phrase "Everything is an illusion" is not only meant literally, but also figuratively.

Nothing exist until you know about it.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist....



AHHH!!! :eek: RUMSFELD LOGIC!! HELPPP!!! :eek:
Most here agree that reality is an illusion, I guess whats up for debate is who is in control of the illusion? Should we try to take control of the illusion? Do we already have control? What if it's not an illusion?

My head hurts.:confused:

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 01:12 PM
Thanks your lordship.....you've really made my day! :eek:

I'm sorry :(

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 01:14 PM
Most here agree that reality is an illusion, I guess whats up for debate is who is in control of the illusion? Should we try to take control of the illusion? Do we already have control? What if it's not an illusion?

My head hurts.:confused:

There, there, jim. *hands him asprin*

This is how they get into power. ;)

jimijams
06-03-2007, 01:21 PM
Thanks your lordship.....you've really made my day! :eek:
In the correct context of that quote it doesn't mean that the Spanish didn't exist, only that the indians couldn't see them because the ships so far removed from their reality their five sensus blocked them out to maintain the consensus reality and it took Shaman to finally see them. David Icke talks about this in relation to how today people can't see reptilians because it is too far removed from our consensous reality to unbelievable so our brains edit it out.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 01:22 PM
In the correct context of that quote it doesn't mean that the Spanish didn't exist, only that the indians couldn't see them because the ships so far removed from their reality their five sensus blocked them out to maintain the consensus reality and it took Shaman to finally see them. David Icke talks about this in relation to how today people can't see reptilians because it is too far removed from our consensous reality to unbelievable so our brains edit it out.

EXACTLY!

*gives him a soda*


;)

jimijams
06-03-2007, 01:30 PM
EXACTLY!

*gives him a soda*


;)
Maybe it's us who are the Shamans of today, only it's totalitarian socialist world government approaching the shore instead of the Spanish.

h1s_l0rdsh1p
06-03-2007, 01:38 PM
Maybe it's us who are the Shamans of today, only it's totalitarian socialist world government approaching the shore instead of the Spanish.

True. True.

But it's there game that keeps many from us seeing their boats, you know.

mara of the acoma
06-03-2007, 02:00 PM
Most here agree that reality is an illusion, I guess whats up for debate is who is in control of the illusion? Should we try to take control of the illusion? Do we already have control? What if it's not an illusion?

My head hurts.:confused:


No body is in control of the illusion because by definition an illusion is something that does not exist. How can you control something that doesn't exist? How can there be a controller if nothing exists? Therefore there is nothing to control and no one to control it.

Or perhaps the illusion is controlled by consciousness. But consciousness doesn't really exist either, or rather can be better described as the potential for existence. Therefore there is nothing to control and no one to control it.

You are the illusion and the control. But you don't actually exist. Therefore there is nothing to control and no one to control it.

Conclusion: why worry?

hehe :D

garth
06-03-2007, 02:05 PM
Gidday Jim jams and fellow forum fella's, from what I have come to understand, it is true that what you resist persist's, so the idea is not to be anti illuminati, chemtrials, NWO (the list goes on) but pro enlightenment, people power, clean air, freedom etc.

I.E. Don't march in an "anti war" in Iraq rally, march in a "pro peace" in Iraq rally. Can you see the difference? The two on the surface are saying the same thing (no war) but have a totally different feel, vibe, perspective and INTENT. One is Negative the other positve - just like battery terminals.

Intent is the key word, fore your intent plays a big part in the creation of you own reality. You must always look for the positive attribute to any scenario, then invest as much Passion, Love, Emotion, Drive, Go, Energy (pledge) as you can muster. Then you will start to get the results you desire. In my experience, if you invest PLEDGE (as above...Garthism:D ) into the negative attribute to a particular scenario it will continue to persist in your reality.

Being informed is a good thing, for how do you know what "lights your candle" if you have not researched it to see where you stand and what you stand for (if indeed you stand at all i.e sheeple!) The more informed you are, the better you can see the positive+ or negative - attribute to the scenario, and act with the correct intent to change your reality.

As far as changing the world goes, the "Experiment" thread is a small example of what I would hope takes place some time in the future (soon!!) It is a collective of like minded souls joining togeather with positive intent to change reality for the common good. If we are all made up of the same stuff, connected togeather from the same place, then the more that get togeather, the more potent we would be, as we would be connecting with our source and acting as one. :confused: Confused...don't be its all pretty simple! like connecting heaps of batteries togeather in series, the more batteries you add, the more the voltage increases.

truthsupplier
06-03-2007, 03:05 PM
Well expressed...

"Man`s mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions."

-Oliver Wendell Holmes-

Might I suggest you google:

" What the bleep do we know... "

Sacred Geometry in laymans terms.

garth
06-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Thanks truthsupplier, What the bleep is a great movie/doco/? it is great to see Quantum physics presented in a plain visual form

cheers Garth

i am all i am
06-03-2007, 03:19 PM
When we see the illusion (reality) as a tool, instead of a trap, then we can use the illusion as a tool of creation/manifestation.

The illusion is here for us to experience ourselves, THE INFINITE / ALL THAT IS.

As ALL THAT IS is already here in its infinite entirety, we merely decide which part of infinity appears before us so that it becomes our experience.

What we call life is an opportuniy to express and experience ourselves.

The sum total of all thoughts, words and actions is ALL THAT IS. The thoughts, words and actions that you create add to the sum total of ALL THAT IS. To change the sum total, change the thoughts, words and actions that you are adding to ALL THAT IS.

Mind = Thought
Body = Action
Soul = Word

Through Mind / Body / Soul you express thought / action / word, the tools that create yourself (experience/illusion/reality).

It's all a game that you are playing with yourself, to experience yourself, for there is only oneness, that which is truly you.

INFINITE LOVE IS ALL THERE IS, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ILLUSION.


With LOVE.
____________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

bigus_dickus
06-03-2007, 04:44 PM
I had an experience today which caused me to ponder this. I was doing research on chemtrails reading Scott Stevens website weatherwars, focusing my intent on this problem. I then walk out my front door and low and behold a jet is flying directly over my home spraying a chemtrail!
Now did I create this by focusing my intent on the problem, is it synchronisity or just coincidence? Am I helping create the Illuminati and the NWO by focusing my attention in that direction thus altering my reality to confirm my belief.

well, let's say "it works in mysterious ways"..

people have already said what i wanted to say, so i am going to say something different and more to the point.

in my opinion, the plane would still be there "spraying" or going its way (well, you can't be absolutely sure that it was spraying something, this is just an idea), but you wouldn't have noticed it if your mind was not occupied with the chemtrails problem.

creating the problem, does not mean that you actually manifested that plane out of thin air, what you manifested was the idea that this particular plane was part of the problem you were dealing with and the idea that it is going to harm you, when you had absolutely no clue or proof about it other than the material that you have researched.

this resulted to this post that you made. you created this post. it was your intent to deal with the problem and to research whether the problem exists "before" you or "after" you. therefore you manifested the replies of this post and you are now reading what you wanted to read in the first place.

there is no problem really, it is all in the mind. a "problem" comes into existence at the moment you declare it as a problem. you say "this is a big problem", so this locks the particular idea into the "problem box" of your mind, along with so many other problems that seek solution.

nothing can really harm you, you can adapt to environments and situations and you have done it countless times already. you have been into "sick" environments already and you preserved your health, because you didn't believe that you would get sick. you have already done that without realizing it.

maybe this is just theory and speculation. but you will only know if it "rings a bell" for you. for some people, it is just bullshit and for some others it is "eye opening". you pick :)

jimijams
09-03-2007, 03:18 AM
Thanks bd, good post. What you are saying is similar to when you buy a new car say, all of a sudden you see the new car you bought everywhere, where as before you never noticed that they were that common.
I like the theory of the neo creationists who believe god created the universe at 8am this morning when I got out of bed. There reasoning is that to doubt that this is really the case would be doubting gods real power to do whatever he likes.:rolleyes: