New astrology signs??

[ihatetruth]

Lol, the media loves to take news into their own hands:

http://blogs.babble.com/family-kitchen/2011/01/13/new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus-astrological-signs/

Who determines these signs and dates anyway??

[merla]

It's not a new sign, it's an ancient one they left out at some point for some reason I don't know, probably 12 signs to 12 months feels more right?

[ihatetruth]

I don't know I never took astrology too serious, what I meant by new signs is rather new dates for old signs. i wonder if this has anything to do with the pole shift theory??

[merla]

I don't know, I don't think everywhere is bothering to switch. I've heard nothing about this on the UK news. If we do I'll go from being a virgo which, from the little of what I know about the personality types you're supposed to have, was actually pretty close to me to a leo which I know nothing about lol. :rolleyes:

I don't follow astrology either but I've known about Ophiuchus being missing from modern astrology for a few years. I probably read about it on a theory somewhere on the net.

[sh3lly]

Ophiuchus, the serpent charmer. Interesting.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/235639.asp

[sh3lly]

I'm still a Leo but my daughter is now suddenly a Libra instead of a Scorpio?!

Whatever. I don't think this will change a natal chart because it's based on coordinates and the day and time you were born, right?

[sh3lly]

All these bogus changes TPTB do are seriously annoying. "Daylight savings," picking calendars, time zones, making Pluto a planet, making Pluto not a planet, yada yada yada... :rolleyes:

[merla]

Ophiuchus, the serpent charmer. Interesting.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/235639.asp

It does make you wonder why they chose to bring it back now doesn't it? Revealing the hidden snake symbol of the zodiac to the public could have some deeper meaning we're not privvy to.

[ihatetruth]

It does make you wonder why they chose to bring it back now doesn't it? Revealing the hidden snake symbol of the zodiac to the public could have some deeper meaning we're not privvy to.

Yea I was thinking the same thing but this kind of thinking is the thinking that drives me into crazy thoughts/depression, so I try not to start nowadays lol

[bootneckband]

Stuart Swerdlow has always maintained that there are in fact 13 signs to the zodiac.........the 13th being that of the reptillian!!

And its been kept from us all along.

This guy,in my opinion,is correct close to 100% of the time in his outlook and forecasts.

Be it Illuminati agenda, Alien existence,or the truth regarding current world news or the real history of this planet,he has been spot on for years.

www.expansions.com is the website he and his wife spread news and relevant info over.

Most people on this forum,I'm sure, are aware of him,but for those who are not then spend some time looking him up.

He also gives real advice on how to guard against bombardments of ELF and mind control........x

[onepurpose]

For the sake of this forum, I thought it was funny that the sign is a man wrestling a snake. Once Icke gets ahold of this info he's gonna go batnuts on it. ha.

[erniesduck123]

Lol, the media loves to take news into their own hands:

http://blogs.babble.com/family-kitchen/2011/01/13/new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus-astrological-signs/

Who determines these signs and dates anyway??

Ptolemy did. In the 2nd century.

This is news to anyone who has never taken an astronomy class. Well, I haven't either, so it's really news to anyone who doesn't like to be well-read.

This phenomenon is called processions of the equinoxes. The zodiac shifts by one degree, or moves up one day, every 72 years. The zodiac we are most familiar with, the tropical zodiac, uses the dates established by Ptolemy. The sidereal zodiac acknowledges the shift and takes it into account. Since the construction of the zodiac by Ptolemy the dates have shifted forward about 25 days.

Due to the procession of the equinoxes the sun now passes through the 13th sign, Ophiuchus, between November 29th and December 17th

[sabbathcrazy]

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/13/horoscope-hang-up-earth-rotation-changes-zodiac-signs/

Click on where it says (More on TIME.com: See the best pictures of 2010.) Do not read what the pics are interpret the pics as they look. Its creepy.

Same article with news clip.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/new-zodiac-sign-chart-ophiuchus-jan-13-2011

[verndewd]

crazy
yayyy im still a leo :p

[magenta_moonshadow]

This isn't 'news', this stuff was doing the rounds 30 years ago!:p

The discrepancy is what you get when you try and impose the real 'zodiac' constellations in the sky into the '12 signs, each lasting approximately 30 days' of conventional astrology.

Conventional astrology is based upon each of the signs being equal, like the numbers on a clock face, and each being 30 degrees (30 x 12 signs = 360, the degrees in a circle). In reality, the zodiacal constellations in the sky differ wildly in size - compare tiny Aries to sprawling Pisces, for example. And in the real sky, other constellations 'muscle in' on the Zodiac, including Ophiuchus.

So if an astrologer tells you you were born when the sun was in (say) Gemini, remember, this is the hypothetical astrological Gemini they're referring to, and not the actual constellation!:)

[ihatetruth]

So in laymens terms ur saying astrology is flakey, something I suspected already, still it's good fun lol. And back to my original question, does the scientifically based data on this shift have anything to do with the recent pole shift? Sorry if I sound ignorant, I am new to all this stuff :(

[lesleypumpshaft]

This isn't 'news', this stuff was doing the rounds 30 years ago!:p


Yup, it's old news!

[dolores1]

This is not new it is extremely old and is natural.


There are naturally 13 months/moons of 28 days in the 365 year.


TPTB have tried to hide this giving the world an unnatural date/time line which is based on a circle having degrees (like the masons), but the earth is not flat it is a ball!


Tha ancients knew that the 13 months always started on a moonday/Monday and that every fourth year a day was allowed to bring this back into sync.


Also the (new) sign is very old and is at exactly the place in the heavens where 2012 happens to co-incide. Where the dark stuff is!


And where the arrow of Sagitarus lines up with the centre of our galaxy then!!

[magenta_moonshadow]

So in laymens terms ur saying astrology is flakey, something I suspected already, still it's good fun lol. And back to my original question, does the scientifically based data on this shift have anything to do with the recent pole shift? Sorry if I sound ignorant, I am new to all this stuff :(

No, no pole shift has occurred! The media jumped on a story regarding the MAGNETIC poles (which aren't fixed), and some people are now assuming that the GEOGRAPHICAL poles have moved (they haven't!).

As for the 'new astrology sign' stuff, it's not new at all. There's been no shift of anything.

There's something called precession caused by the axis of the earth wobbling slightly (like a spinning top does, but much slower) which means that over a period of 26,000 years, the axis of the earth traces out a circle on the sky. At the moment, Polaris - the 'Pole Star' is above the axis. In 12000 years time, the bright star Vega in the constellation Lyra will be the nearest bright star to the pole.

[magenta_moonshadow]

Also the (new) sign is very old and is at exactly the place in the heavens where 2012 happens to co-incide. Where the dark stuff is!


And where the arrow of Sagitarus lines up with the centre of our galaxy then!!

How, exactly, does a period of time (2012) 'coincide' at exactly one place in the heavens 'where the dark stuff is'?

And where do you think the 'Arrow of Sagittarius' lines up before and after that date?:rolleyes:

[sh3lly]

There's probably no coincidence that the snake charmer has now been added to the "official" zodiac list.

But, regardless of the change, it has nothing to do with your real reading, your natal chart, which has less to do with your "sign" and much more to do with the time, place, date, coordinates of your birth. That pinpoints exactly where the planets, sun, and moon where when you were born and determines their (potential) influence on your personality and life.

[rreeve]

Total CRAP!
This new Zodiac makes me a Virgo and I'm not having it because I have NONE of their personality traits whatsoever. I'm a Libra through and through as the personality traits and characteristics of a Libra perfectly describes me down to a tee, even down to the dimple in my chin. The first time I read about my Libra star sign I was blown away at how accurate it was, it was spooky and so surreal and I had no idea that was possible. I also read every other star sign and none of them sounded like me at all so theres no doubt in my mind that I'm a Libra.

Anyway, YES the MAGNETIC axis of the planet may have shifted but the actual planet itself has not moved from its normal route or posistion in space and the visible zodiac has NOT changed so I have no idea what this Georgia Nicols person is trying to achieve but my guess is there trying to destroy our knowledge of the zodiac now. By adding one more constellation they would eventually achieve this because it would miss-align everyone and cause confusion so people eventually scrap the whole concept.

[the nine]

Stuart Swerdlow has always maintained that there are in fact 13 signs to the zodiac.........the 13th being that of the reptillian!!

And its been kept from us all along.

This guy,in my opinion,is correct close to 100% of the time in his outlook and forecasts.

Be it Illuminati agenda, Alien existence,or the truth regarding current world news or the real history of this planet,he has been spot on for years.

www.expansions.com is the website he and his wife spread news and relevant info over.

Most people on this forum,I'm sure, are aware of him,but for those who are not then spend some time looking him up.

He also gives real advice on how to guard against bombardments of ELF and mind control........x

Beware the site has the most annoying pop up.. Icant even view it on my pone :(
Impossible to click the close icon.. Not impressed at all!

[wakeup2nwo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Asclepius_staff.svg/65px-Asclepius_staff.svg.png

The Rod of Asclepius is often used as a symbol for Ophiuchus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jfn8XRYqWxw/SfWm2qtP-4I/AAAAAAAAAB0/RIlTMAAZSj4/s320/World+Health+Organisation+Logo.gif

Ummm

Ophiuchus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[tinyint]

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2987/opiochus.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059516673&postcount=139

[fr3d]

If anyone asks me what sign i am, should i say Pisces or Aquarius? I'm born March 7.

[wakeup2nwo]

the introduction of Ophiuchus, an astrological entity discarded by the ancient Babylonians because they only wanted 12 signs. According to this new zodiac method, Ophiuchus is the sign for those born between Nov. 29 and Dec. 17.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/235639.asp

Ophiuchus is a large constellation located around the celestial equator. Its name is Greek (Ὀφιοῦχος) for 'serpent-bearer'

Ophiuchus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems the babylonian brotherhood didnt want the world knowing about the reptiles so vanished it from the records of history.

[iaintoff]

Total CRAP!
This new Zodiac makes me a Virgo and I'm not having it because I have NONE of their personality traits whatsoever. I'm a Libra through and through as the personality traits and characteristics of a Libra perfectly describes me down to a tee, even down to the dimple in my chin. The first time I read about my Libra star sign I was blown away at how accurate it was, it was spooky and so surreal and I had no idea that was possible. I also read every other star sign and none of them sounded like me at all so theres no doubt in my mind that I'm a Libra.

Anyway, YES the MAGNETIC axis of the planet may have shifted but the actual planet itself has not moved from its normal route or posistion in space and the visible zodiac has NOT changed so I have no idea what this Georgia Nicols person is trying to achieve but my guess is there trying to destroy our knowledge of the zodiac now. By adding one more constellation they would eventually achieve this because it would miss-align everyone and cause confusion so people eventually scrap the whole concept.

soundslike zodiac envy to me :rolleyes:

[i_am]

This is hardly today's news.

Please read the posting guidelines for this forum

[tinyint]

it seems to have gained MSM attention today, too bad that you buried it in this sub-forum wich few people visit. :mad:

It had msm attention here 10 years ago. Just a rehash.

[dolores1]

So in laymens terms ur saying astrology is flakey, something I suspected already, still it's good fun lol. And back to my original question, does the scientifically based data on this shift have anything to do with the recent pole shift? Sorry if I sound ignorant, I am new to all this stuff :(

:):D

[merla]

http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/home/why-your-Zodiac-sign-might-be-wrong-blog-13-vanessa-green.html

First mention I've seen of this in the UK. So many poeple complaining and ignoring the fact the zodiac should have had it in to begin with so was wrong before lol

[tinyint]

Ok, But this thread was dumped really fast. Please repost that 10 year old thread for me.

Nono, you misunderstood, the whole 13th zodiac sign story had msm attention here 10 years ago.
Thats what I meant.
English msm seem to be a bit late to the party.

[fr3d]

Nono, you misunderstood, the whole 13th zodiac sign story had msm attention here 10 years ago.
Thats what I meant.
English msm seem to be a bit late to the party.

I understood. no posts before Jan -07 = no way to search for '10 year old news'. According to the forum as it is now, this is news and there were no other threads about this subject on the forum before today. Things in your head doesn't count! Why not give the thread one(1) day in the 'Todays news'?

[tinyint]

I understood. no posts before Jan -07 = no way to search for '10 year old news'. According to the forum as it is now, this is news and there were no other threads about this subject on the forum before today. Things in your head doesn't count! Why not give the tread one(1) day in the 'Todays news'?

Uhm, you better PM a mod about this.
I can't help you here.

I already posted some background.
The constellation has been always there, just the msm picked it up and made a hype of it.

So whats the sensation?

[tinyint]

I just think it deserves 1 day in 'todays new' since it's in todays news (even if it is old news to some). Some people on this forum couldn't even read 10 years ago.

*meow*

Some folks don't seem to be able to read and most importantly comprehend what they have read anyway. :(

[fr3d]

*meow*

Some folks don't seem to be able to read and most importantly comprehend what they have read anyway. :(

I have been pretty active in the 'conspiracy world' the last 6-7 years and i haven't heard about this 13th sign. I wish, what's her name , magenta_moonshadow? Very well educaded in Astrology or anyone else who's good would make a real zodiac wich is representative to the real world (view of the heaven). Some signs might be 2 month and some only a week. Just an idea..

[tinyint]

I have been pretty active in the 'conspiracy world' the last 6-7 years and i haven't heard about this 13th sign. I wish, what's her name , magenta_moonshadow? Very well educaded in Astrology or anyone else who's good would make a real zodiac wich is representative to the real world (view of the heaven). Some signs might be 2 month and some only a week. Just an idea..

Just click on the link I provided in that post:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059596173&postcount=25

Open google earth, select sky and have a look for yourself.

Here is the direct link:
http://sites.google.com/site/zstarlighted/home6

[erniesduck123]

If anyone asks me what sign i am, should i say Pisces or Aquarius? I'm born March 7.

If completely depends on which type of astrology you follow. Tropical or sidereal. From an objective point of view, the sun has not been in Pisces on March 7th in 500 years. You were not born under the constellation Pisces. If you follow the tropical zodiac though, you were born under the sign Pisces as determined by Ptolemy.

I don't follow sidereal astrology because I've found the tropical zodiac to be accurate to the point where it's surreal.

[erniesduck123]

This is hardly today's news.

Please read the posting guidelines for this forum

It was moved. Anyways, this is very much today's news. I haven't been able to escape it, whether it's Twitter, Facebook, StumbleUpon, the actual news, like CNN.

[jewellerymaker]

I've checked out the signs that me and close family 'should' be, and it makes a lot of sense. It's quite strange actually. My brother, however, is the new sign, and it also makes sense, because I never thought he was a typical Sagitarius.
xxxx

[fr3d]

If completely depends on which type of astrology you follow. Tropical or sidereal. From an objective point of view, the sun has not been in Pisces on March 7th in 500 years. You were not born under the constellation Pisces. If you follow the tropical zodiac though, you were born under the sign Pisces as determined by Ptolemy.

I don't follow sidereal astrology because I've found the tropical zodiac to be accurate to the point where it's surreal.

Thanks for answering. I really don't know anything about astrology. I just know my sign, or i thought i did. Tropical or sidereal? How about the truth? This is not religion is it? The stars are out there and why do i have to pick a religion? WHAT SIGN AM I?

[erniesduck123]

Thanks for answering. I really don't know anything about astrology. I just know my sign, or i thought i did. Tropical or sidereal? How about the truth? This is not religion is it? The stars are out there and why do i have to pick a religion? WHAT SIGN AM I?

Lulz, I imagine someone shaking their fists in the air and looking skyward "WHAT SIGN AM I???"

Here's the skinny, sidereal astrology, practiced in the East, takes into account that due to the Earth's wobbly rotation, the constellations are not fixed in our sky. Every 72 years, the constellations shift one degree, or one day forward in the zodiac. The zodiac has shifted 25 degrees, or 25 days, since Ptolemy first constructed the zodiac. The signs of the sidereal zodiac are actually tied to the constellations themselves.

The tropical zodiac, has fixed these signs to the seasons along the vernal equinox. This is how Ptolemy assigned them. In tropical astrology the signs do not change dates. They are the same as they were in the 2nd century. This is the kind of astrology you'll find in the West, the astrology in magazines and newspapers.

More often than not, someone who calls themselves a Taurus or a Leo, was not born under the constellation itself.

I find the best thing you can do for yourself is get a natal chart done. It shows not only what the sun was in when you were born, but the moon, the planets, etc.

[fr3d]

Lulz, I imagine someone shaking their fists in the air and looking skyward "WHAT SIGN AM I???"

Here's the skinny, sidereal astrology, practiced in the East, takes into account that due to the Earth's wobbly rotation, the constellations are not fixed in our sky. Every 72 years, the constellations shift one degree, or one day forward in the zodiac. The zodiac has shifted 25 degrees, or 25 days, since Ptolemy first constructed the zodiac. The signs of the sidereal zodiac are actually tied to the constellations themselves.

The tropical zodiac, has fixed these signs to the seasons along the vernal equinox. This is how Ptolemy assigned them. In tropical astrology the signs do not change dates. They are the same as they were in the 2nd century. This is the kind of astrology you'll find in the West, the astrology in magazines and newspapers.

More often than not, someone who calls themselves a Taurus or a Leo, was not born under the constellation itself.

I find the best thing you can do for yourself is get a natal chart done. It shows not only what the sun was in when you were born, but the moon, the planets, etc.

Thank you!

[i_am]

It was moved. Anyways, this is very much today's news. I haven't been able to escape it, whether it's Twitter, Facebook, StumbleUpon, the actual news, like CNN.

Yes, I moved it.

This has been discussed on here years ago so it may be IN the news but is in fact, old news :)

[capriciousvainglory]

On my chart the sun, moon, neptune, and venus were
on my constellation on Dec22/capricorn...am i still the
same sign? I don't fit into the sagitrius mold as much anymore.

[neuronomics]

http://www.eastbayastro.org/articles/lorepics/ophiuchus.gif

Ophiuchus vel Serpentarius Returns..... to our consciousness. The serpent bearing omen is here again... so what does that mean?


http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/101099/20110114/13th-zodiac-sign-zodiac-change-ophiuchus-astronomy-stars-constellation-media-twitter-12-signs-kunckl.htm



http://wordsofrothschild.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/akash.jpg?w=460&h=224

[johnny botwright]

http://www.wptv.com/...ws1294958424418

NEW ZODIAC SIGN IS SERPENT-BARER

13TH ZODIAC SIGN IS THE DEVIL?..........SNAKE-HANDLER?

[kimball13]

http://www.wptv.com/...ws1294958424418

NEW ZODIAC SIGN IS SERPENT-BARER

13TH ZODIAC SIGN IS THE DEVIL?..........SNAKE-HANDLER?

actualy closer to Saint Patrick, read up on it.

He is not handling the snake he is ridding the land of the serpents(or dragons)
Read the story.

[kimball13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus#Mythology
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Ophiuchusurania.jpg
There exist a number of theories as to whom the figure represents.
The most recent interpretation is that the figure represents the healer Asclepius, who learned the secrets of keeping death at bay after observing one serpent bringing another healing herbs. To prevent the entire human race from becoming immortal under Asclepius' care, Zeus killed him with a bolt of lightning, but later placed his image in the heavens to honor his good works. It has also been noted that the constellation Ophiuchus is close to that of Sagittarius, which has at times been believed to represent Chiron (the mentor of Asclepius and many other Greek demigods), though Chiron was originally associated with the constellation Centaurus.
Another possibility is that the figure represents the Trojan priest Laocoön, who was killed by a pair of sea serpents sent by the gods after he warned the Trojans not to accept the Trojan Horse. This event was also memorialized by the sculptors Agesander, Athenodoros, and Polydorus in the famous marble sculpture Laocoön and his Sons, which stands in the Vatican Museums.
A third possibility is Apollo wrestling with the Python to take control of the oracle at Delphi.
A fourth is the story of Phorbas, a Thessalonian who rescued the people of the island of Rhodes from a plague of serpents and was granted a place in the sky in honor of this deed.
According to Gavin White, Ophiuchus may represent the Babylonian constellation known as the Sitting Gods (Mul.Dingir.Tush.A.Mesh), which he proposes was originally a human figure whose legs have been replaced by the tail of a huge serpent.[8]

[kimball13]

a shepard and healer, could be Able if you want to stretch.

even farther if you dont like Zeus.

Take for example in Revalations, it is said as well in many older texts one could come and Defeat Death and Confusion.

just pointing a few things out, considering that the sun rose in iceland two days early this year as well,,,,,,,,,,,God will rearange the Heavens.

Why dont people take a look at things on the positive side in such new discoveries that are realy old discoveries.

and why is it relevant now,Simple it is now placed in an alignment that would put it within the Zodiac i suppose.

Doubt the new that before until it happend, if the did know it then they might also know when God's champion kicks the shit out of Satan, just saying(maybe);)

[johnny botwright]

posted on another forum same subject, not by me. maybe relevent?

Ophiuchus (“The Snake Charmer/Magician”) deemed as the 13th sign of the modern Zodiac is symbolic of “REBELLION”, which the terrible number thirteen is biblically indicative to, as well as REBELL and THE REBEL, and is expanded to include APOSTACY, DEFECTION, CORRUPTION, DISINTEGRATION,

REVOLUTION, or some kindred notion of this vain. Most significantly, circumcision for God’s sons was always executed on the 8th day after birth, but not for ISHMAEL, the SEED OF ISLAM, who was circumcised on the THIRTEENTH DAY, the day of REBELLION and the APOSTATE NUMBER.

Genesis 17:55 – “And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.”

Ophiuchus is also the 11th largest constellation in the Celestial Planisphere. Biblically, the symbolism behind the number 11 is associated with CONFUSION, DISORDER, DISORGANIZATION, IMPERFECTION and DISINTEGRATION.

So we see in Ophiuchus the presence of Ishmael, Islam and the Serpent (Satan), their deity and its ultimate affect on Humankind, primarily DYSTOPIA and RUIN. We also see the double entendre that I mentioned earlier concerning the dualism of Christ and Antichrist, for in Islam everything is

reversed; Islam’s coming “Messiah” is Christendom’s “Antichrist”; and Islam’s “Antichrist” is Christendom’s “True Messiah Christ”. This reciprocal phenomenon explains the double confusion in the symbolism of Ophiuchus.

Additionally and originally, Ophiuchus was the 4th sign of the former ancient Zodiac before its corruption as originally depicted in the Egyptian Dendera Zodiac (when east was west and west was east according to a former axial orientation before a primordial polar axial shift during a remote Earth Age)

where it began with the Virgin, Virgo, and ended with the Lion, Leo. In this original precession of the Zodiac, Ophiuchus was the 4th sign, being the WOLD NUMBER. So here we see the SERPENT of Ophiuchus/Islam strangling the WORLD with its REBELLION, APOSTACY, DEFECTION, CORRUPTION, DISINTEGRATION, and REVOLUTION headed by its REBELL, the Islamic Messiah, who will be the ANTICHRIST.

I think it is interesting that 2012 is the “YEAR OF THE DRAGON” when in Constellation Ophiuchus the Divine Cross and the Terrestrial Mundane Cross will be unified with the elliptic center of the Galaxy. I believe this could

possibly usher in the announcement for the arrival of the SON OF PERDITION that the world will be deceived in believing he is the Terrible Messiah coming to devour his enemies, the “GREAT KING OF TERROR”. At this point in timing one just has to wonder if this is one in the same with the Dragon cast out from Heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 – “And there was war in heaven: Michael

and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

* When the zodiac was first delineated by the ancients, it consisted of twelve 'houses', each associated with one of twelve constellations that lay along the Ecliptic: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, and so on. Since that time, gravitational effects on the orbit of the Earth, known as 'precession', have caused the line of the Ecliptic to change slightly. Specifically, it now passes through thirteen constellations, with Ophiuchus being the new addition. Where the Sun once passed directly from Scorpius into Sagittarius, it now spends nineteen days each year, from 30 November to 18 December, in the new 'house' of the Serpent Holder.

* SEE FOR FURTHER DATA: http://www.glyphweb..../ophiuchus.html

There is yet another aspect to Ophiuchus that alludes to historical celestial events in the chronological history of our Solar System that were documented in the constellations and the signs of the Zodiac. Here, Ophiuchus is a personification of our Sun, Sol, as Hercules, being Sirius C the companion star to our paternal star Sirius B when our Solar System was

formerly a trinary system conjoined with the Sirius Binary before the Great Discontinuity, for the star in the right leg, named Sabik relays, "Ophiuchus enveloped in the coils of Ophis" and they were the Khorasmian Sardhiwa, the "Head of the Evil One". The Shepherd and his Dog, the two lucidae or alpha stars marking the heads of Ophiuchus (Ras Alhague the Shepherd) and Hercules (Ras algethi the Dog). But who was this “Shepherd” but our original paternal star Sirius B which Ophiuchus holds in his hands as Serpens (The

Serpent), and most significantly is not his RIGHT HAND of RIGHTEOUSNESS, but rather what is punctuated is his LEFT HAND OF DEFILEMENT symbolized by the star Yed Prior, meaning “hand” (yed), which holds the Serpent, a representation of the coiling Sirius Binary, the missing half of our Solar System, being Star Wormwood. And for this reason Ophiuchus’ Beta Ophiuchi is named Kelb Alrai (Celabrai) and means “The Shepherd’s Dog” (later

confused into the corruption “The Heart of the Shepherd”) and thus this indicates a direct link to the Great Dog Star, Sirius, the Coiling Serpent, which is approaching our Solar System… hence, 2012 + 7 years is the possible period of critical vertex of transversion through our Solar System, an extinction level event.

[kimball13]

no wonder, i see and am glad you did not write it.

ive noticed people complicate it realy badly.

it looks pretty simple actualy to me.

if you look at him being struck down by Zeus with lightning before he taught man to be imortal or whatever,,,,,,,,,,,,,you could almost say it is Zeus that plays devil in tis story.

its just so many times people change the simple facts to support there argument of there way being righter.

a healer, one how castes out the snake.


how do people extract an evil entity out of it.

then you did deeper and along the way you find out they are Catholic aor something, they cant even see what there priest are doing to there children.

it is just a plain crime sorry to say.

They take stuff that is sets of numbers like 13 which happens ot be a regeneritive number,,,,,,,life and death and life again.

it is also the real number of apostles,,,,,,,,,,Christ does state Mary Magdeline is the apostle of apostles thus that equals 13.

why is 13 evil, simple if they allowed people to think it just a number like the rest someone would have said hay wait a minute why did you change 13 to 12 what are you hiding.

if you take 13 away then you could also say that is what was left after christ left,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so his return would equal what,,,,,,,,,,,,13.


and this leads into they will have eye's yet not see, they will have ears and not hear.

you know what is worse, they will have beeting hearts yet do not love.


sorry i didnt read it but at first glance ive seen those arguments that present allot of numbers and such, it looks like a mosaic, one of those broken tile mosaics,,,,,,,,,,but then it would not be a theological theorie it would be poetry or a Haiku.

simplicity even revelations speaks of this, have faith love your fellow man.

even says there will be those of my flock that will not find salvation, there to will be those not of my flock that will find salvation.

what does rev 13 say.

oh the beast out of the Sea, so dude is right on time to grab the snake and kill it:D

[kimball13]

what it is talking about is the chirldern of Esua as in those that steal there brothers birthrite, must stop or die.

condenced form,,,,it has nothing to do with Islam or chirstianity.

Story of Esua and Jacob.

others divided up religion into warring, that is how fooled everyone is,,,,,,,,last 50 years has almost re-educated mankind,,,,,,,,,,,they say three generations and you can erase a large part of history and change it.

[yass]

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Dear Sample List Member: This special edition went out today with the wrong caption beneath the graphic. The earlier caption pertained to another event. We are resending it, with apologies, with the correct caption. If you forwarded this edition please resend this one as well. Thanks for understanding. I'm including the weekly horoscope with this resend of the corrected issue. -- Eric Francis, Editor.

Attention All Astronomers -- The World is Flat

Dear Friend and Reader:

I wish I could put out a press release announcing that the world is flat, and send astronomers scrambling -- to return the favor for when an astronomer sends out a press release announcing that your zodiac sign is wrong. That's what happened this week when the following went viral faster than the dude who got rich dancing around like a dork in 34 countries:
Astronomer Parke Kunkle says that due to changes in the Earth's alignment the dates of many zodiac signs have changed, according to NBC. In addition, there may be a 13th Zodiac sign: Ophiuchus. Kunkle says that as the Earth and Sun slowly move the signs gradually change, as expected. The change didn't happen over night either. The 12 signs were designated to different periods of the year almost 3,000 years ago, when astrology began, and since then the Earth's position in relation to the sun has changed.

The tropical zodiac is in the inner wheel, the sidereal zodiac is in the outer wheel. Notice how they are 'out of alignment' by about one whole sign -- to be exact, 23 degrees. This is due to precessional movement, which shifts the two zodiacs by one degree every 70 years.Either this is a joke or Parke Kunkle is truly ignorant of his own science. It's probably a bit of both.

There are two zodiacs in common use. Kunkle is describing what is called the sidereal zodiac: the backdrop of the stars. It's not the zodiac used by most Western astrologers; it's the one used by Vedic astrologers, the kind in India, and a few in our part of the world. The two zodiacs are offset by about 23 degrees. I'll explain why in a moment.

Here in the West, we use a zodiac that follows the seasons. It's called the tropical zodiac. It's based on the position of the Sun's rays and the tropics -- that's why it's called tropical. There is another one, based on the positions of the stars. It's called the sidereal zodiac. If Kunkle doesn't know this, it's like a race car driver not understanding the concept of a tire. If so, he also doesn't understand a long list of other concepts that must make it very difficult for him to do his work. Well, that's what grad students are for. Notably, the sidereal zodiac is a feature in all astrology software.

In the Western or tropical zodiac, the Sun enters the tropical sign Aries the day of the vernal equinox each March. That's the day that the Sun's rays meet the equator directly overhead -- the first day of spring in the Northern Hemisphere. (In the prior draft and in the audio I said 'at a right angle'. Same idea.) The Sun enters the tropical sign Cancer when the Sun's rays square the Tropic of Cancer -- the first day of summer in the Northern Hemisphere, or summer solstice. The Sun enters Libra when the Sun's rays square the equator again in September. The Sun enters Capricorn when the Sun's rays square the Tropic of Capricorn each December, which is the first day of winter in the Northern Hemisphere (the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere).

You then take those four cardinal points and divide them equally and you have the 12 signs of the tropical horoscope. There are no 'extra signs' added -- the tropical zodiac is a division of the 360-degree wheel of the year into 12 equal slices of 30 degrees. This is not rocket science -- but it is science.

Look! It's already there!As mentioned, the Western zodiac begins the day of the vernal equinox. The position of the Sun that day is called the Aries Point -- or the Sidereal Vernal Point. If you read Planet Waves, you read about the Aries Point nearly every week. It's extremely sensitive. The position of the Sidereal Vernal Point or Aries Point moves gradually as the Earth wobbles on its axis. Currently, the SVP is at 5 degrees Pisces on the sidereal zodiac. Hence, the tropical sign Aries begins in the sidereal sign Pisces. And as the Earth wobbles, the SVP is moving backwards toward Aquarius -- hence "the Age of Aquarius." About 2,000 years ago, the tropical signs aligned with the sidereal signs. Now they have precessed backwards by about 23 degrees. And for that matter, so has Christmas.

We don't adjust Christmas one day every 70 years but sure enough, eventually, Dec. 25 will fall in the middle of Northern Hemisphere summer, with no help from global warming.

So, hear ye, hear ye! Vedic astrologers use the the sidereal zodiac, and most Western astrologers use the tropical zodiac. They have different purposes, and different philosophies. Both zodiacs work. Most Western astrologers are familiar with their sidereal chart -- it tells a different story, and can reveal deeper tendencies you may have noticed but not named. I'm a Pisces in tropical astrology but an Aquarius in sidereal astrology. If you're curious, cast your sidereal chart and see where the planets show up.

As for Ophiuchus. This is an old hoax. Historically, Ophiuchus has never been listed as a constellation in the sidereal zodiac. It is a constellation out there, but it's off the ecliptic (that is, it's not along the path of the Sun through the sky). I've read that Ptolemy mentions it in his literature as an off-zodiac constellation, meaning that the Sun never travels through it. In any event, there are some two dozen constellations that touch the ecliptic; but the sidereal zodiac uses just 12 of them.

The origin of the hoax is a sci-fi author named John Sladek -- a satire writer who died in 2000. Sladek liked to prank astrology, and he has a whole novel about a fictitious 13th sign based on Ophiuchus he called Arachne that was "suppressed by the scientific community." The Ophiuchus hoax first made its rounds in the late 1990s and pops up again like those emails from the guy in Nigeria who wants you to send him your bank account number so he can transfer $15 million your way.

Yours & truly,