Zionists in the Conspiracy Field - must read!

[edro9494]

For those unaware, which nobody should be from knowing Icke's work, there is alot to gain by diverting attention from the real culprit.

Unfortunately, as you probably know, conspiracy literature is FILLED with this disease known as DISINFORMATION. And yes I understand and sympathize with you, sometimes its extremely difficult to evaluate evidence and what is shit from the litter.

I used to be huge fan of Alex Jones, still am to a certain extent. However this man is lying by omission. He gives us 85% of details and info. Folks, this man will never point the finger at Israel and Zionism when appropriate, he is a Zionist. make no mistake about it! i know he is inspiring and can get you fired up, i know guys. But in the last year I've run across some sites that cover, in depth, current Jewish Zionist doings and affairs.

I mean not to be an alarmist, I dont believe in fear. I'm a big student of Icke and Alex Jones. And let me tell you something first-hand folks. They might mention it here and there, but there is much, much more for you to learn about Jewish Zionism and how it is RUINING, not only American, but the world. Take a look at the dead women, children, and men scattered in the sands of Iraq. Is a three year-old girl with her head blown off an "Al Qaida Operative?"

Now I know Icke makes it clear in his works that this Illuminati/reptilian control is not solely Jewish, its much larger than that and includes gentiles as well as all other expressions of DNA.

However, if you live in the US like I do, you can see that Zionism and unabated support of IS-RA-EL is off the Richter Scale. And that is why I am saying this, because I felt let down by Jones and Icke when I saw they weren't covering it as much as other less-advanced researchers are doing as of right now. Nothing feels worse to me, than to find out I was wasting my time while I was being duped. Let me say that Jones is much worse than Icke, from what I see and know. Still, we NEED the WHOLE storyline so we can accurately identify an appropriate remedy. its great to know the history of the vatican and templars and what-not, but you must understand the PRESENT to setup a reasonable future.

ALL of you HERE should know that! you should all be here on this forum because you love, desire, and thirst to know the truth of all things regardless of how unpleasant or sickening it might be. The TRUTH HURTS, this is nothing new for you guys. And if you are going around believing everything you hear because you assumed that person knew more than you, then you deserve to be taken down a dead-end. You need to use your reasoning/logic skills to discern between what to pursue.

I am here to show you another door to more information, specifically covering Jewish Zionism, past and present.

one site i would recommend is this http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
and do not go there SOLELY because i am telling you this. Do not take my word for this, if you do then nobody is more disappointed than me! And you are then no better than the sheep you try to wakeup. Reaching people is TOUGH, i know. So keep this in mind as you read this post, step into the other person's shoes, and consider what I am warning you of.

another site is Iamthewitness.com run by Daryl Bradford Smith. he does a radio show and on the site you can download them for free. put them on your ipod, listen to them in your free time, listen to them on your daily commutes. Just please take heed to message and information.

We should not be blindly following the mainstream researchers...that is not what being enlightened or wise is, it is in fact the opposite. we should be challenging the Alex Jones, the Jordan Maxwells, the David Ickes, and the many other notable researchers to work harder and share with us the true material and information, no matter who it hurts or offends. We need to clean house and clean up some of these disinfo messes that WE have let manifest in this field of knowledge. It's like David says in his books, "one man cannot change the world. but one man can communicate the message that will change the world." I am only one man. I can't reach everyone. I have to count on YOU guys. Likewise, you are only one individual. If you have something important to share with everyone, please, DO IT. Ask me for help if you need, i dont care, i will always be there to help the underdog as should you too. I am no christ, but i have passion and that can make up for alot of shortcomings. it is the information and message that matter, not the medium.

Also please watch Eric Hufschmidt's "Painful Questions" video on 9/11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1010192776487825352&q=painful+questions&hl=en He uses flawless logic and reasoning to show that the real story is being hidden from us. I will recommend David Icke to everyone I meet until death, but this man's video is far more convincing that David's presentations on 9/11, at least in my opinion. Mostly because you can't argue with Logic, Reasoning, or the Socratic Method. Logic and Reasoning will prove to be your greatest weapon to wake up the rest of the nappers, hopefully you already know that.

Don't know whether someone has posted a message similar to this in the recent past on this forum. I'm new to the forum but I am an Ickean veteran. Anyways i apologize for such a ranty, long-winded post but this needed to be said. STOP putting blind confidence in these mainstream researchers. Instead invest that confidence in yourself, as you are the only one you can ever really rely on! The answers are out there, nobody dropped the research and information into David's lap...

And dont ever forget...that you really are Infinite Love, Consciousness, and Possibility

[warrior]

to be fair to Icke, he is already being targeted by people looking to claim he is anti-semitic, so if he did talk about Israel they will jump all over him saying he is anti-jewish. And I think Alex Jones is doing a fantastic job as well and he has a great website. Now these 2 guys are already covering ALOT of news subjects and there must be huge stress and pressure going along with it. Think about it, they are laready covering so much, 9/11, NWO etc, etc. Why should it be up to them to report about the regime in Israel aswell, aren't they doing enough? They are only human and can only do so much.

You should also be aware that Israel is ruthless in attacking their enemies, if you become well known and start speaking out against them you better be quite sure of your security

[edro9494]

first off, thanks for the reply.

Yes, they do cover 9/11. However, Alex Jones does not tell his audience about about the Israeli/Mossad agents involved in the attacks. He does not address the Israeli role in 9/11 and the USS Liberty attack- go read what the sailors on deck say they saw that day. david did include, in his book, about the Odigo Israeli instant messaging firm sending out messages in advance. WHY DOESNT ALEX ADDRESS THE ZIONIST INFLUENCE? Why does he focus only on the Chinese and illegal immigration? Do those two groups control Congress? The FED? the media? Do Bush and Cheney control Mossad? Do they control the zionist media that diverts attention from israel? asking me further questions is fine, but answer that question for me first. Alex, and Henry Makow for that matter, will admit int'l bankers started and funded the rise of Communism. Yet they dont mention that the money suppliers were mainly, if not all, Jewish as well as those who were agents in the Bolshevik Revolution. Weishaupt, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin- all jews. Is it anti-semitic to mention if someone is Jewish? Why are we not getting every detail of the story?

There are plenty of antizionist Jews that have spoken up about this. Look at Norman Finkelstein, a DePaul professor, and his book The Holocaust Industry. Orthodox Judaism is vehemently against zionism, yet idiotic jews can only muster an argument of irrational smear such as calling Rabbis self-hating jews or anti-semitic.

Bulldozing palestinian neighborhoods and occupying their territories, not to mention killing them en masse, is NOT FIGHTING TERRORISM...IS THE VERY EPITOME OF THE WORD TERRORISM. Are you not a human? How can you not speak out against this ridiculous horseshit? Stand up to these sick Zionist bastards. Any researcher or 'leader' that uses fear to deter you from taking action is only helping their cause.

90% of Jews are not Semitic. Arabs are semitic. 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi Jews whom originated from Eastern Russia. Read the Icke newsletters. When these zionists try to smear with labels of anti-semitic, call them anti-human.

Jews make up 1-2% of the population. How is it that so many jewish zionists/israel apologists pop up in conspiracy research? because they care so much? or do they have an agenda? Why isnt there an anti-gentile or asian smear technique? we need to answer these questions.

we have been told by the mainstream researchers to ignore and dismiss the jewish question when there is great amount of evidence that begs the question. Those 'globalists' and 'international bankers' are responsible for the majority of scheming in the world. Why doesn't alex mention or address the fact that they are Jewish Zionists? The FED is an entirely Jewish corporation, yet he calls them int'l bankers. thats what these guys do, they are whitewashers, they leave out key facts and look at us gentiles or 'goy' or cattle for them to control. Go read the Talmud and find the blatant Jewish-supremacism elements in it. Like i say, dont just take my word for it.

What is Israel going to do to us? What, make us into human batteries in an Orwellian world? That is the current status quo, we have nothing to lose. They rely on our cooperation with the system. Israel needs an ignorant America to set them up to clear out their enemies for them. P-R-S. Who benefits from war in Iraq? Israel. war for oil is their robot radical theory for the ignorant masses? Remember, Qui Bono, Who Benefits? Prosecutors and investigators dont laugh off possible links, clues, and evidence. They follow the evidence, no matter how ridiculous it seems from an ordinary(ignorant) perspective.


Iamthewitness.com

go there, you will not regret it. it covers what the Zionists don't.

[awakensong]

I've enjoyed reading your thread, edro9494,

Just wondering, though, how knowing all this, which I mostly have for a long time now, changes anything that is happening now and will happen later.

What I want to know is how to help my own self be free from the Matrix. All I've seen Icke say in his book is "Laugh at the Matrix". I don't see that opening any security gate and letting me walk through, except of course, that if I no longer care about the system, I'm not affected the same as before.

I suppose there is a good argument to be said that this "world system" which you are correct in saying is Zionist and Illuminazi-ist, is the Matrix, by and large. But even without them, there is a lot of suffering to this life, and what is supposed to be the answer to it all?

We cannot talk these people out of being violent towards us, no matter how well we know their name, rank and serial number, so to speak, or talk them out of their agenda. All we can do is help ourselves get free. But what is the way to that?

[anoninnyc]

um, don't you know that you can't say anything about the jews without the adl ruining your life?

[edro9494]

"um, don't you know that you can't say anything about the jews without the adl ruining your life?"

DONT YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR LIVES ARE RUINED AS OF RIGHT NOW AND FURTHER DOING NOTHING ONLY FUCKS US LONGER. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN!

THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF ATTITUDE I SPEAK OF WHEN I WARN OF OUR LEADERS BEING FEAR-INDUCERS. FEAR DOES YOU NO GOOD AT ALL. THESE PEOPLE USE FEAR TACTICS TO HOLD US IN SEDATION AND INACTIVITY. WHEN YOU GIVE UP THE FEAR OF THEM, THEY CANNOT HURT YOU! IT IS IMPERATIVE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THIS. DROPPING YOUR FEAR LIBERATES OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. EVERYONE IS SCARED OF BEING TARGETED SINGULARLY. GUESS WHAT, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. WE ARE ALL LINED UP FOR THE SLAUGHTER, TIME HAS TO COME TO MAKE OUR BREAK FOR IT.

im glad you asked that question, awakensong. How do we change our current situation? The best I've heard so far is awareness and changing the earth's frequency from negativity, hate, fear, and grieft into one of love, light, information, and liberty. When i originally heard this technique, i thought it to be a convenient way to hold us into complacency. at the time i favored the ol' Jefferson technique: when the tree of liberty is dry, it must be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. however, once you understand that the energy of destruction & violence only FEEDS this matrix prison, you change your mind.

To know that you are being controlled or manipulated is half the battle. Thus, I'm not holding back in my stresses of recognizing zionist manipulation of ourselves. Our current system depends on OUR cooperation. Stop forfeiting your power. You were not born with a saddle on your back; you are sovereign, infinite awareness.

A love mindset and frequency shift depletes the reptilian food/life source. Eventually they will change their nature with more and more exposure to love. THIS IS WHY ITS SO IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE/BE FEARING. FEAR IS THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE AND IS LIKE STEROIDS TO THE LIZZIES. THAT IS WHY SOCIETY IS STRUCTURED TO PRODUCE NEGATIVE ENERGY, BE IT WARS, FIGHTS, TRAUMA, OR THE SIMPLE FEAR OF WHAT OTHERS THINK, BECAUSE THESE LIZZIES HAVE CONTROLLED EARTH FOR SOME TIME NOW AND CANNOT WITH IT. WHAT DO YOU SAY WE TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT?ABOUT TIME, RIGHT?

You all definitely need to learn the teachings of the Pleiadians. They explain, just like Icke does, that the lizzies control this reality. In a free-will zone all is allowed, and somebody always wants to be in control. The lizzies retarded our DNA from 12 to Double-stranded DNA, the kind you learn about in biology class. Without doing so we could have never been duped for so long. Our dormant brain capacity and dormant DNA are the mechanisms that allow mankind to see through this whole facade. Do you know how you activate this dormant, "junk" DNA? By taking on the love mindset.

Read the Barbara Marciniak Pleiadian books. They tell the whole story and show us how to get back to our infinite being. I just finished the second book of the series and I had the same feeling as I did after I read the Icke books- completely blown away and left with a greater purpose in life.

Heres some video excerpts of the first book, Bringers of the Dawn, http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=bringers+of+the+dawn&hl=en

Having read Infinite Love by Icke will provide the appropriate knowledge to understand the importance of our DNA and how it will set us free.

We are immortal beings. We have to continuously come back to this earth, life after life, to learn our necessary lessons. Good for you if you are content with this shithole. I am not. We have the opportunity to turn things around in time for 2012, however it will not get done with thousands of free-riders and 1 worker. Push me to help me push you. Our work is cut out for us, we just need to execute. The light forces of the universe that are willing to help us have come back in time to warn us about this massive fork in the road. 2012 is our shift out of here, if we are successful.

Remember, fear will not get us there.

[warrior]

I do know that on both Jones and Ickes sites there are some references to Israel. If you go to Jones site and look at hs London bombing pages you will see Israel mentioned.
I don't blame those guys for being a bit wary of saying alot about Israel. And there is more than enough subjects for them to cover.
It is very easy to critise those guys from the sidelines. I admire both of them greatly, they are doing a fantastic job bringing news about corruption to their audiences, and they can only do so much, they can't cover everything, and for obvious reasons Israel is both a sensitive and dangerous subject.

[geo2]

:rolleyes: u do have strong passion on this very 2the point subject, EDRO, have u listened to Alan Watt www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com ??? one must listen to fifty or more hours of Alan before having a opinion of him...

There are 3main groups {1} the controllers {2} the elites {3] the masses...the bankers, zionists, vatican are in the 'elites'...the controllers are very hidden and can be over 500 years old, as that they have mastered the ageing gene 500 yrs ago and their medicine is the best, many of the so-called UFO's are 'their' craft, their tech know-how would appear as super-natural to the 'masses' and yes, they are going to kill most of the masses off and make cyborgs out of the remaining ones...

Afraid, as u brought out, there is no time left for 'fear', love and knowledge that leads to 'wisdom' is the only way to go...as for the media/net/cyber dis-info, we know that its there but why waste to much time pointing it out, as with 'wisdom' one will see it for what it is.....

As for me, i'll continue with the Playwright, Jesus and our Sacred Mother Mary, the only show/story that makes sense and gives real experiances, as to 'TOXIC' Religion, with all do respect/compassion, got no-time for that 'GAME'.

Was tending bar on Bleeker Street when brother Lenny Bruce was getting busted for saying the 'F' word and i've looking for the Truth since the fn Sixties, so i've been at this a while...good luck in ur hunting as u de-TOX from the brain-washing that all of us have/are been given Globally !

Ave Maria ! Infinity

:rolleyes: :cool:

[albie]

90% of Jews are not Semitic. Arabs are semitic. 90% of Jews are Ashkenazi Jews whom originated from Eastern Russia. Read the Icke newsletters. When these zionists try to smear with labels of anti-semitic, call them anti-human.

Wrong. DNA tests showed that Ashkenazi Jews have a strong genetic link to Sephardic Jews. Too strong to now show that Ashkenazi jews are mostly Khazars or russians.

Icke's publication came out before the tests were done. So it's not his fault for spreading a lie.

Yet he hasn't retracted it.

Will you?

[albie]

Is a three year-old girl with her head blown off an "Al Qaida Operative?"

No the Al Qaida was the one standing behind her, using her as a shield.

[anoninnyc]

edro, while we are on the same team i have a bit of a different viewpoint. the illuminati is not just jewish, in fact jews are lower on the totem pole and have been used as a scapegoat. some say the protocols of the learned elders of zion are a hoax. that is true and false. read them and ask yourself how could it be a hoax if what is written in it has come true? i mean, how could anyone really predict all that? doesn't it seem fishy that it got leaked though? my theory is that it was purposefully leaked so when the masses do wake up then the jews will be blamed. jews are not all zionists and illuminati and the jews have been hurt more by zionism than perhaps even the palestinians. now the adl is a powerful group used to not protect jews though that is their stated claim but to silence opponents of the nwo by hurling the anti-semite claim against them.
while i agree that you are right that we shouldn't succumb to fear, i am just trying to have a logical approach, perhaps i am wrong but i wanted to explain my thinking. if icke and the rest go into the whole jewish thing too heavily they will just be labelled as an anti-semite, and not allowed to speak. we need icke to speak. the jewish thing is rather unimportant in the whole scheme of things. divide and conquer is how the illuminati do it. in a way talking about the whole jewish thing is falling into a trap set by the illuminati.

[edro9494]

Albie, how much do internet and forum spooks get paid these days? Must be livin' the good life!

So you are saying that Myron Fagan, Arthur Koestler, and Benjamin Friedman are wrong in their approximations of jewish populations?

Wikipedia: Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish population, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for (at their highest) 92% of the world's Jews in 1931 and today make up approximately 80% of Jews worldwide.[2]

[edro9494]

How is the jewish question irrelevant when atleast of half the top 13 illuminati bloodlines are jewish, according to authors such as Fritz Springmeier?

remember that Jews are 3% world population and the vast majority of them are the same as you and me. This means that maybe, 1-1.5% of these Jewish family offshoots, are participating as MAJOR players.

Substantially less than 3% is the very definition or idea you should get when you hear 'global elite.' i just find it peculiar that we speak of the elite global bloodlines, almost half being jewish, and jewish population being perfectly sized to constitute such an 'elite.'

ever notice that the vast majority of conspiracy literature talks about Vatican this, Rome that, Christian Satanists, etc? And some of it I'm sure may be quite legit. But do Catholics scream hate and racism upon such ideas or claims? do Asians? do Africans?

Nobody ever, relatively, speaks of Jewish agents of conspiracy in literature and ironicly Jews are, somehow, more genetically predisposed to be conspiracy authors and researchers. Quite a conundrum, indeed, i say.

Why are top Jew agencies (ADL, JDL) so focused on character assassination if there is really no legitimacy to vast Jewish elements of the worldwide sham? What are they worrying about, if it really is just BS?

Why are we conditioned to think of talking about Jewish conspiracy as the ultimate taboo in America? How is the Holocaust the most prominent and forefront tragedy of all time? How is demanding proof of gas chambers anti-semitic? Should we abolish the logical concept of evidence from our judicial system now? How was the holocaust worse than African-American slavery, for instance?

Dont let stigmas and other irrationalities deter you from questioning and sorting logistics.

People love to tell me how i am wrong on this forum. Yet after every post of mine, my continuous questions never get answered. ad hominem attacks on me only further prove my point!

[edro9494]

Wrong. DNA tests showed that Ashkenazi Jews have a strong genetic link to Sephardic Jews. Too strong to now show that Ashkenazi jews are mostly Khazars or russians.

Icke's publication came out before the tests were done. So it's not his fault for spreading a lie.

Yet he hasn't retracted it.

Will you?


The difference between the DNA of a human and rat/mouse is less than 1 percent.

Further, the fact that ashs and sephs have strong genetic links is obvious becuase they are both jews.

hopefully you can show me the info that demonstrates/proves ashkenazis, the vast majority of jews, did not come from eastern Russia and Caucuses Mt ranges. i would appreciate that.

[kha zarr]

careful anoninnyc it sounds like youre saying that fear of talking about zionism as the root cause implies it may be. if you think its not the root cause please show your evidence. I dont think it is either but we gotta talk facts to it. Albie are you refering to the work of kevin allen brook? how about the 'screw 911 mysteries' hit piece movie? Ive seen it and it claims to say theres video of the core still standing before the towers fell, and that it was from the planes only. Of course it refuses to talk about the insider money and the israelis deported, but it also doesnt talk about maurice greenberg, and ptech. wasnt there a saudi link to ptech as well as an israeli one? How do we know who was really in control of ptech? I dont want to dismiss the possibility that koestler is right, because genetics isnt something just anyone can talk about. but i dont want to just jump and say it all makes sense that ashkenazis are khazars 100%. this kind of info is very sketchy because it relies on evidence that can be seemingly leaned on either way, to me. what about the 'lost tribes' theory of simcha jacobovici? this too can also be claimed or disclaimed to the end of time. In the end its about fighting over land, and dragging the rest of the world into the fight, over a belief that x should be the one to control everything as said in y text, mainly concerning monotheistic religions. Ive heard theories zionism even in ancient times was manipulating all monotheistic ideas. Khazars converted from Tan worship to Judaism but didnt other pagans do the same after Jesus walked the earth? At least for the first 300 years afterward.

Im convinced its a trick to set jews and nonjews apart as others have said. David speaks about israel being set up by rothschilds and yet at their core theyre not jewish, I think he said this if im not mistaken. He also says jews are not at the top of the control, nor are they near the top. So - is David by Smiths definition part of the criminal network???

Im Jewish by birth although nowadays I dont have a religious belief or behavior like this any more, uncomfortable as it was and is for me after changing this part of my life. Now I exclusively classify myself differently, like new age but not exactly, I try to be careful not to fall into a trap of belief, look what it does to the world. Since I need to discover things myself I need to use my life experience as a filter for that, and never want to be absolutist about things. I think actually its racist to say that no matter what, all jews will defend the zionist regime its somehow 'inborn', therefore we cant trust anyone jewish. Absolute and total nonsense! Ive heard him say this and yet say he trusts jews who are honest. well isnt this a veiled and contradicting way of saying he is frustrated by jews altogether and doesnt really trust anyone jewish? Please dont dislike jews theyre not all 'difficult humans' we are just as human as you, count on that. Khazar or not. I only say im a jew in this way, since I was born one, I am by intents and purposes going to be referred to as one. Believe me Ive had to also deal w/the whole 'self hating' bit too. Its not easy. As mentioned on Erics site, this phrase is borrowed from 'self hating german' and is used constantly to jews who speak to this.

I know Daryl has openly said hes not anti-jewish and i know this phrase is misused often by the media. But its dangerous for anyone to call themselves a total expert or claim to have all the answers. not because it implies total truth by being taboo, but because this idea can end up being used against them. and unfortunately it has as anonnyc has pointed out. Yet, I do like some of the french connection interviews they cannot be ignored - but I also have a problem with the way it draws all conclusions to zionism, based on this perspective. What if Smith is incorrect?? This is the only reason I hesitate to fully support him, because it doesnt seem to all add up to this conclusion, from what Ive seen. No I dont think its the vatican or ufos, or luciferian controllers I think its various groups of people who got to where they are because of their devious betrayal of humanity's imperfect laws. Like you, edro, I am sick of living this way somethings gotta give. What if the crime is 'disorganized' crime? who knows, perhaps reptilians really are messing w/our heads. God, sometimes this whole thing gets me so confused, really. Theres so much info and counterinfo, I feel like my heads gonna explode! but does it mean hes right?

I myself personally wish to focus more on nonviolent infrastructural everyday solutions [not buying certain things, not driving all the time] more than focusing on who is the one who did the crime, however I support such research in whatever unbiased form it comes in, including the french connection. But to me this show is only just on the border of being acceptable since its such a bombshell - it literally does make my head turn in funny directions as it says on the site. I mean, Smith has gotta really clear a few things up for me like China and illuminati. Even about reptiles. Ive read on how he suggests zionism could be in the catholic church. so this can explain the vatican part, and the moon landing / ufo part. According to this logic, does he think the theory of reptilians and even pleiadeans [from the ufo pleiadeans camp] could also a zionist cover? I mean no disrespect but I am curious about that. I myself now officially do not know what to believe which is why I stay back from this now for the most part. but being 'jewish' and having indicated Ive looked at this issue would probably put me on his 'bad' list, just for having done so. what is it? guilty until proven innocent? Please. Courts are another very important part of our societies that need great help in becoming less corrupt and, more importantly, more ACCURATE. theres plenty of cases of the wrong people being put away...how can accuracy improve? This is just as much an issue for building a better world, as is removing oppression. Im mostly as I said before, interested in structural solutions like new forms of energy production and better concepts of choosing leaders and ways of exchange, like a new form of barter for example. I feel this could be better than simply removing fractional reserves in banking, since money itself is a way to control, imo.

But I did want to respond as Im both an occasional listener of that show, and a reader of some of David's books and some others. Ben Freedmans speech is interesting but Ive seen on the french connection that now Smith says that he was holding out on certain facts and therefore may still have been loyal to zionist cause? What real proof has Smith of this? anyway, the idea that 'saying nothing makes one an accessory' seems a bit like what bush said about being with us or with the terrorists. Its absolutist. Does that mean If Im a 'Jew' I should say nothing, but if Im not I should say something? where does this rationale lead?? It sounds a bit bigoted even though its clothed in tolerance. Im sorry but I feel somewhat inclined to say this. Forgive me if Im wrong I just dont understand why Smith said in the past that 'Jews' should 'step back' from investigation. It does sound biased.

[edro9494]

Albie, ive looked through some of your past threads and posts. No wonder you are posting in my zionism awareness threads. you must be shittin' your pants right now. Oh no! Here come the goyim.

Why are you such a jewish/israeli/zionist apologist? If you really believe that Icke is as much of a racist as you say, why are you wasting your time here? Futhermore why are you associating yourself with hate and racism? I would never spend half as much time at a white pride forum as you do here... Unless, of course, I had an agenda of whitewashing and deflecting aim

Do you not realize that real jews, orthodox rabbinical jews, do not support the disease we call zionism? Why must the jewish owned mass media still have Israeli PR groups that censor unfavorably news item in relation to Israel?

Why did Theodor Hertzl advocate using anti-semitism to increase sympathy and powerbases for Jews? What is the need if Jews are so innocent and deserving as you say?

Do you not realize that thinking of yourselves, as jews, being "God's chosen people" is a textbook example of racism.

Why do you not realize that the majority of your brethren are pawns for the top tier of Jewry, which consciously allowed horrific things to happen ordinary Jews throughout history?

If you are so staunch about having Israel back, why aren't you lobbying for some of my ancestors, the natives of north america, to get their land back as well?

How is Holocaust revisionism hate? Is hate now synonymous to asking for evidence? How come Hollywood was the first to break the news of the gas chambers in the Holocaust, 30 thirty years after the fact? Why were most the Nazi administration, in fact, ashkenazis? Knowing this, how can you say jews en masse are not being manipulated by top tier jewry?

If the protocols are indeed forged, then who benefitted from this- who had motive? Also, why have the protocols come to fruition, especially the part about controlling the media?

How does a financial center like the World Trade Center explode into the abyss and somehow hundreds of Jews pulled a no-show? Thought you guys would atleast try save some of the money there. What was the name of the leaseholder of those buildings? was it SilverSTEIN?

If gas chamber evidence is so bulletproof, why must the EU make questioning a historical detail a crime? Why lock up those who ask for evidence?

Why let people stir this shit up if it really was as bad as projected? Do you enjoy upsetting the survivors? Why not bring out all of the evidence and shut all the fuckers up if they really are mistaken?

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews... become worse... this will assist in realization of our plans... I have an excellent idea... I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth... The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. Theodor Hertzl, father of Zionism

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[awakensong]

DONT YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR LIVES ARE RUINED AS OF RIGHT NOW AND FURTHER DOING NOTHING ONLY FUCKS US LONGER. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN!

This reminds me of a quote I can't quite remember exactly but it is something like "They have the most to gain who have nothing left to lose." It's just a matter of realizing we've really NEVER had human rights and freedoms; we've had corporate-granted priviledges and now these are being removed. So, since there is nothing left to lose, there is only everything to gain by speaking up, speaking out and dropping fear.

And yes, I agree about "being" Love. Since Love is the only Truth, and all must return to that, why shouldn't we be the "pied pipers" of it - we who are awake and aware. "Love never fails/ ends". Everything else does!

Also, I continue to have a disagreement with Icke and those who would think that using 4-letter words is part of the love we are to show others. :(

I was hoping in your answer, though, for something that would really change things. Perhaps we are waiting for the 100th monkey??

At any rate, the "Awakensong" is a "Love Song". :) :D And kindness is the grandest form of wisdom.

[awakensong]

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews... become worse... this will assist in realization of our plans... I have an excellent idea... I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth... The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. Theodor Hertzl, father of Zionism

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discover the role of zionism in world manipulation today

Also, in reading Benjamin Freedman's articles over the last several years, he clearly shows how it was the Zionists who insisted and forced the Nazis into murdering and torturing the Jews and Germans... way more than they would have.

After reading his articles, I learned that he has exhonorated the German "citizens/ people", vindicated the Jewish "citizens/ people", and rightly and justly INCRIMINATED the Zionist and Nazi "leaders".

[kha zarr]

awakensong thansk for that. bens speech was real long and i never read all of it, admittedly. so he does look down on germans and up on jewish citizens of the time. It is interesting b/c Ive also looked at the eisenhower info on iamthewitness it totally blew my mind as well. its so insane....i mean, reeeeeal insane. the 'terrible swedish jew' they called him, texe marrs talks about this. yet texe marrs promotes the rapture doesnt he? He seems to promote something like it. Perhaps thats irrelevant...my relatives had no idea stalin was a jew and continue to disagree w/me when I told them he was. But what about in deep africa, in china is zionism really at play there also?? in south america? its a bold claim to be made that its *completely* worldwide and all-encompassing. Needless to say it is an ideology carried out, that is not beneficial for humanity.

from iamthewitness, top article: "...grow a backbone and ask if Jesus would ignore the corruption."

This is true. He certainly would not. Interesting how that articles author does not answer questions and simply calls it 'rhetoric' that is hateful, without addressing the issue. Clever, but incomplete as a response. I do agree though, that it needs to be talked about, despite some of the things I said earlier. Its tough to articulate but I want it all to make sense, I do. The last paragraph of the article does make a point though. why didnt those bishops talk to the victims in israel of attacks? I also read an article denying any attack on northern israeli towns even took place...its just that the differrence is SO stark it boggles my mind again and again.

I wonder if Daryl has read what David Icke and others like Acharya S and others say about the alleged mythology of Jesus? Not to pick on this but its interesting that stories of mithras horus and dionysus mirror jesus's life in many ways, almost unignorably similar, to symbolize the SUN not the SON. Of course that can also be argued ad infinitum as well. And its possible Jesus was abused in such a way as to make him appear to just be another symbol to mess around. Its puzzling to me how a roman tool of torture is glorified in churches, its like having a hangmans noose as a holy symbol of transmigration. Isnt this equally bizzarre? Now there are plenty of versions of christianity that dont display this feature as much, so its not to say the religion is 'bad' for this. In fact I resonate a lot with it more than I have in the past. But it still felt incomplete for me.

Religion is not love, its ILLUSION! Its a form of politics, something that claims to represent the prime creator, the great intellect or whatever you wanna call it, but is borne of raw id/ego energy. Especially any faith that makes veiled insults to other peoples or has ridiculous rituals and rules of living based on them. Judaism and chosen people and talmud, christianity and only by way of jesus to get to heaven [they left reincarnation out of the ot and nt btw], islam and how some have said they have a sort of talmud [dont know what its called perhaps ive been lied to perhaps not] that is hateful in comparable respects....you have hindus figihting muslims too...which I actually dont know about but I suspect religious contamination of the idea of samsara as observed in the caste/karma/dharma system [not as practiced today]?

I dont necessarily refer badly to the 10 commandments as they seem pretty fair on a basic level. Seeing though as modern society is a bit complex and old ways are barbaric in my eyes, as new ways now [just updated versions of it], basic human decency must prevail and I think psychic detectives as crazy as it sounds, could be of some help in making things better. Im talking real ones vs the ones who are part of a 'network.' Perhaps former ones, but maybe not. Russians used remote viewers and so the US, against each other for a while they say, during the cold war. This is virtually overlooked but what if theres a huge thing to this? I know it sounds crazy but perhaps theres credence to it also.

Jones promotes stuff that teaches how to remote view on his site. Now I dont know what that tells me but he is on GCN and the whole ted anderson thing plus loose change linkage w/simon is suspicious - why doesnt he talk about it is anyones guess at this point i think. Its possible this particular educational link is nothing good since it charges money for learning the skill. simply incredible. its so hard to stay level-headed when dealing w/these facts but I aspire to stay level-headed about it. However its very very hard to talk about when youre a lone voice. Thanks for speaking up edro9494 and getting the ball rolling. Ive read some of albies other posts as well, some others here think hes a troll, i myself dont know. Ive seen other promoting loose change and aaron russo here, but they might just like those movies. Best way to find out is to ask them what they do believe, and get them to respond to your questions. I wish they'd answer. And I wish it can remain civilized.

[edro9494]

Yeah, i love that quote about jesus and corruption.

good god, dont get me started on the stupidity and ignorance of our modern zealous christians. Stevie Wonder could drive a car better than they could fingerpaint.

If Jesus were here today he'd be right here into this same stuff. Exposing the moneychangers, challenging zionist jews, getting labeled an anti-semite, calling out hypocrisy, and spreading the truth of love.

Sure as hell wouldn't be holding his tongue in fear of the "big bad globalists".

the biggest bullies are the biggest cowards

[anoninnyc]

i am not against talking about how evil zionism is. and the adl will go after you for that. look at norman finkelstein outspoken critic and his parents were holocaust survivors, yet the adl calls him an anti-semite. what i am talking about is the fact that many of the illuminati names i know of are jewish. not all or evenn most but many. the illuminati is sneaky and i think the very highest of illuminati we have never even heard of. what i am saying is that they use anti-semitism as a threat to shut down legitimate debate and to label as racist. yeah, perhaps i should accept the criticism that this is fear based thinking on my part, i accept that and appreciate it being pointed out actually. but there is another element to my argument that i don't know if you guys are grasping. my theory could be wrong that the jews are the illuminati that the even higher illuminati keep exposed to cover themselves up and if shit hits the fan to take the fall. jews are first line of defense against the more important illuminati. and i don't even know if the rothschilds are even really jewish in origin. oh, this is all too confusing i am even confusing myself.

[awakensong]

Its puzzling to me how a roman tool of torture is glorified in churches, its like having a hangmans noose as a holy symbol of transmigration. Isnt this equally bizzarre? Now there are plenty of versions of christianity that dont display this feature as much, so its not to say the religion is 'bad' for this. In fact I resonate a lot with it
more than I have in the past. But it still felt incomplete for me.

I think the churches are more puzzled than the onlookers who don't understand. The official biblical story of Jesus is the Sun going through the 12 houses of the Zodiac. At the center of the Sun is the Cosmic Cross. The "Christ Energy" is a Cosmic Energy, which in order to attain, one must "die to the self/ flesh". It's all very understandable when seen clearly.

Here is a site that helped me figure it out: http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/jesusoutline.html

I dont necessarily refer badly to the 10 commandments as they seem pretty fair on a basic level.

They are a borrowing from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which read: "I have not killed. I have not stolen. I have not coveted.", etc. This was to be recited to the 'guardians' upon crossing over, so one did not have to reincarnate here.

For many years, Sigmund Freud tried to tell an unbelieving world that the Pharaoh Akhenaten was the biblical Moses. History revisionists are now finding this to be true.

[kha zarr]

whoa 10 commandments are from that??

dude.

[awakensong]

whoa 10 commandments are from that??

dude.
Yes, they are a 'partial' list of the confessions from the Egyptian Israelites/Sun Worshippers, Ahkenaten himself an IS RA ELite (interesting, no?, how that word becomes "elite") Hiksos Pharaoh:

http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/moses2.html
Confessions from the Book of the Great Awakening (Egyptian Book of the Dead):

Hail, Usekh-nemmt, who comes from Anu,
I have not committed sin.
Hail, Hept-khet, who comes from Kher-aha,
I have not committed robbery with violence.
Hail, Fanti, who comes from Khemenu,
I have not stolen.
Hail, Am-khaibit, who comes from Qernet,
I have not slain men and women.
Hail, Neha-her, who comes from Rasta,
I have not stolen grain.
Hail, Ruruti, who comes from heaven,
I have not purloined offerings.
Hail, Arfi-em-khet, who comes from Suat,
I have not stolen the property of God.
Hail, Neba, who comes and goes,
I have not uttered lies.
Hail, Set-qesu, who comes from Hensu,
I have not carried away food.
Hail, Utu-nesert, who comes from Het-ka-Ptah,
I have not uttered curses.
Hail, Qerrti, who comes from Amentet,
I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
Hail, Her-f-ha-f, who comes from your cavern,
I have made none to weep.
Hail, Basti, who comes from Bast,
I have not eaten the heart.
Hail, Ta-retiu, who comes from the night,
I have not attacked any man.
Hail, Unem-snef, who comes from the execution chamber,
I am not a man of deceit.
Hail, Unem-besek, who comes from Mabit,
I have not stolen cultivated land.
Hail, Neb-Maat, who comes from Maati,
I have not been an eavesdropper.
Hail, Tenemiu, who comes from Bast,
I have not slandered any man.
Hail, Sertiu, who comes from Anu,
I have not been angry without just cause.
Hail, Tutu, who comes from Ati,
I have not violated the wife of any man.
Hail, Uamenti, who comes from the Khebt chamber,
I have not violated the wife of any man.
Hail, Maa-antuf, who comes from Per-Menu,
I have not polluted myself.
Hail, Her-uru, who comes from Nehatu,
I have terrorized none.
Hail, Khemiu, who comes from Kaui,
I have not broken the law.
Hail, Shet-kheru, who comes from Urit,
I have not been irate.
Hail, Nekhenu, who comes from Heqat,
I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.
Hail, Kenemti, who comes from Kenmet,
I have not blasphemed.
Hail, An-hetep-f, who comes from Sau,
I am not a man of violence.
Hail, Sera-kheru, who comes from Unaset,
I have not been a stirrer up of strife.
Hail, Neb-heru, who comes from Netchfet,
I have not acted with undue haste.
Hail, Sekhriu, who comes from Uten,
I have not pried into matters.
Hail, Neb-abui, who comes from Sauti,
I have not multiplied my words in speaking.
Hail, Nefer-Tem, who comes from Het-ka-Ptah,
I have wronged none, I have done no evil.
Hail, Tem-Sepu, who comes from Tetu,
I have not worked witchcraft against the king.
Hail, Ari-em-ab-f, who comes from Tebu,
I have never stopped the flow of water.
Hail, Ahi, who comes from Nu,
I have never raised my voice.
Hail, Uatch-rekhit, who comes from Sau,
I have not cursed God.
Hail, Neheb-ka, who comes from thy cavern,
I have not acted with arrogance.
Hail, Neheb-nefert, who comes from thy cavern,
I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
Hail, Tcheser-tep, who comes from the shrine,
I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the Spirits of the dead.
Hail, An-af, who comes from Maati,
I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
Hail, Hetch-abhu, who comes from Ta-she,
I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10cl.htm
According to Wikipedia:
"Some historians....have argued that the Ten Commandments originated from ancient Egyptian religion, and postulate that the Biblical Jews borrowed the concept after their Exodus from Egypt. Chapter 125 of the [Egyptian] Book of the Dead (a.k.a. the Papyrus of Ani) includes a list of things to which a man must swear in order to enter the afterlife. These sworn statements bear a remarkable resemblance to the Ten Commandments in their nature and their phrasing.....The Book of the Dead has additional requirements, and, of course, doesn't require worship of Yahweh."

Awakensong: I would like to show that Ahkenaton himself was an Israelite (their leader, actually) who was thrown out of Egypt. That would take starting another thread, if anyone would be interested in it.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/egypt.html
Egyptian and Old Testmanent Similarities

http://www.dwij.org/forum/amarna/2_cmndmts_book_of_the_dead.html
The Ten Commandments and the Book of the Dead

[warrior]

i don't even know if the rothschilds are even really jewish in origin.

Wel I suppose they can claim to be Jewish, but not of the original Jewish gene pool. They were living in what is now modern day Georgia and the ruler there made it compulsory that everyone convert to Jewish religion. They are actually Khazars. So these Khazars then had to refer to themselves as Jewish. They are not from Israel at all but from between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.
They became known as Ashkenazi Jews.

These people knowingly lie to the world with their claims that the land of Israel is theirs by birthright, when in actual fact their real homeland is over 800 miles away in Georgia.

So, next time you hear an Israeli Prime Minister bleating about the so-called persecution of the Jews, consider this, every Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew. Therefore when all these Prime Ministers have curried favour with the West for their re-establishment of a Jewish homeland, they have knowingly and deliberately lied to you.

There is even a line in the Book of Revelations which seems to refer to them.

"I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

The most wealthy bloodline, and the leader of the Ashkenazi Jews in the world today is the Rothschild family.

[friendsinthesky]

at the time i favored the ol' Jefferson technique: when the tree of liberty is dry, it must be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. however, once you understand that the energy of destruction & violence only FEEDS this matrix prison, you change your mind.

Absolutely, 100%, SPOT ON!

[unicorn]

I was hoping in your answer, though, for something that would really change things. Perhaps we are waiting for the 100th monkey??

'Be the change you wish to see in the world' - Mahatma Gandhi ;)

[albie]

The difference between the DNA of a human and rat/mouse is less than 1 percent.

Further, the fact that ashs and sephs have strong genetic links is obvious becuase they are both jews.

hopefully you can show me the info that demonstrates/proves ashkenazis, the vast majority of jews, did not come from eastern Russia and Caucuses Mt ranges. i would appreciate that.


There's a particular genetic mutation present only in the Sephardic jews. The sephardic jews are darker skinned and closer to the original biblical jews of old. A test was conducted on hundreds of jewish ashkenazi women, and 40 % had this mutation.

If the majority of ashkenazi jews were khazars the mutation wouldn't be in such a high percentage of the jewish women.

Sorry if this is new to you. But then you have been waylaid by icke.

Don't you think, as an intelligent human being, that you have a responsibilty to be looking for this kind of thing?

Or are you just happy to have you mind made up for you?

[awakensong]

'Be the change you wish to see in the world' - Mahatma Gandhi ;)
I have a magnet with that quote on my refrigerator. It's so easy for us to put forth these platitudes, but what do they change? Jesus didn't change the world, Gandhi didn't change the world. Everyone is still here, the world is still here, and things are only getting worse.

It seems no one, including Icke, can tell us how to leave the matrix. They can tell us all about the matrix, but no further.

[kha zarr]

Hi Albie, I think I remember you posted this some time ago - who did this study?

This conclusion would mean that the other 60% are khazars, while those 40% are from Israel's ancestry. Regardless, it still means 60% are not from Israel. But does this mean they should leave? Maybe, according to how Israeli government determined those calling themselves Jews from far off lands like Myanmar [menasshites they call themselves], or bene-israel cant get in. [Alleged lost tribes following assyrian expulsion, perhaps khazaria history repeating except in different places? Or a genuine link to sephardic ancestry?] Im just mentioning this part b/c its a reality as well. This part of the story may be just as relevant to whats going on.

The whole idea of these tests to determine who can be a citizen is pretty much an irony, since Israeli society by and large is secular, and yet this genetic determination is a racial/eugenics exercise in a religious undertone; if the ones doing the testing dont have the sephardic mutation than its pretty ironic... this is more about whether the power structure 'recognized' so and so wishing to emigrate as a jew, as a jew or not. If you emigrate or make 'aaliyah' its easier than not, from what I hear. So I guess people who want to do that believe either its part of prophecy, for an easier way to get a better life, or both. Notice how this thinking is sort of the thinking that the power structure wants, for people to get ahead easier, so long as it follows the plan. whos plan, gods plan, or mans plan? which men?? what kind of plan?? In this case Id say it would be fair to test the testers as well. But this is only about who can emigrate....were really talking about if its legitimate or not.....Albie you said that 40% is significant enough to mean all askhenazim are related to sephardim somewhat right? Did you say somewhere its mixed up so much, like heterogenously? Is there a study that shows this trait? Its real hard b/c now were talking about what % of a race someone is. Extrapolating from that to conclude who should live where is insanity. But so is political manipulation through the 'liquidation of jewish wealth' by zionists, as Herzl said. How does that quote go? I believe I saw a video on this people on the street in Israel were being interviewed about these quotes by Herzl and only a few ppl out of lots actually knew. I dont remember the name.

This 'control' is being done as David says generally about it all, at another level, on purpose; when enough ppl discover the lies or manipulations, its a 'problem' in need of a reaction and a solution - probably violent, and probably one that may mirror the past. We should be careful not to let our emotions guide us too far in this, or other schemes created by the prevailing power structure, whatever its origin, and despite how awful whats being done is. Reps or whoever, know very well how emotions operate from a defensive/offensive paradigm since its how they probably created all of their control for so long. At a deeper level this structure lacks love, and doesnt know it. If we react to the 'problem' and think our 'solution' is our own, if its guided by emotion rather than a true problem solving mindset that takes all good things into account, than its not our solution, its the one the power structure anticipates will transpire, and for our continued loss as a species.

[awakensong]

Do you not realize that real jews, orthodox rabbinical jews, do not support the disease we call zionism?
This is what confuses me about some of your posts, Edro. I think this is the very point some people are trying to make.

I would say "Zionists" or even "Illuminati" everywhere you keep saying "Jews". Now it appears you're even contradicting 'yourself'. Could you clear this up, because otherwise I tend to agree with what you post.

[awakensong]

Originally Posted by edro9494 http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13481#post13481)
at the time i favored the ol' Jefferson technique: when the tree of liberty is dry, it must be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. however, once you understand that the energy of destruction & violence only FEEDS this matrix prison, you change your mind.
Absolutely, 100%, SPOT ON!

Doesn't anger and all negative emotion do the same? I notice in Icke's books, he says he doesn't hate anyone, not even the matrix ops, and he never seems to get heated up in talking about them.

[kha zarr]

well he gets heated up when he talks about forgetting about fearing what others think, and about henry kissinger i remember he does seem heated when talking about him.

we all get heated about different things. or the same thing, in different aspects.

[awakensong]

well he gets heated up when he talks about forgetting about fearing what others think, and about henry kissinger i remember he does seem heated when talking about him.

we all get heated about different things. or the same thing, in different aspects.
In so many ways, Icke's message is the equivalent of the Hippie movement of the 60s, with a bit of a different angle and focus.

Their motto was "Tune in, turn on, drop out".

Icke's is: "Awaken, laugh at the matrix, log off the matrix".

Both used drugs to have experiences. Both said love is the answer. Both had anger at the established order of things.

Seems so similar, doesn't it? Yet, nothing changes.

[kha zarr]

is David Icke still associated w/Mufon? How did they collaborate? I know hes doing work w/fountain international, has a 6 pointed star shape. But their work is interesting. Anyways how do we know it goes nowhere b/c some poeple take drugs? He did that ayahuasca thing too didnt he. Its all confusing to me still...

I think the reptilian thing is attractive possibility b/c it makes us humans feel less bad about our problems. If they are truly responsible then we should focus on them. But if not, then not.

[edro9494]

awakensong, here a comment i just posted in the 9/11 forum, it should suffice:

i need to clarify a few things

first off the whole israeli theory is NOT mine. i copied it from NOLAJBS.net forum. The author goes by the handle of 'debus'

and i sincerely apologize for misusing the term jew and zionists where i blend them.

i am not a racist, it just so happens that I share a frat room with a Jew and a house with with other Jews. we get along fine.

most, if not the vast majority, of 'jews' are not involved in this treachery of zionism. most dont want to have their heritage and culture tarnished by this criminality either.

and if any of you wanting to join this movement of antizionism because you are a racist and irrationally hate all jews then fuck off. we dont want any badseeds or idiots associated with us, that will only destroy our credibility and waterdown our message. No David Duke's here, seriously. they bring him on mainstream media such as CNN and flash caption boxes that mention hes KKK to tarnish his reputation and avoid the seriousness of what he's talking about. Learn the deception of their techniques and how to counter them!

so everyone beware of infiltrators, that shit happens on the internet and reallife and not just hollywood movies. these criminals kill for livings, dont think they wont infiltrate and sabotage, they have vast resources, especially finances.

[albie]

How is the jewish question irrelevant when atleast of half the top 13 illuminati bloodlines are jewish, according to authors such as Fritz Springmeier?

remember that Jews are 3% world population and the vast majority of them are the same as you and me. This means that maybe, 1-1.5% of these Jewish family offshoots, are participating as MAJOR players.

Substantially less than 3% is the very definition or idea you should get when you hear 'global elite.' i just find it peculiar that we speak of the elite global bloodlines, almost half being jewish, and jewish population being perfectly sized to constitute such an 'elite.'

ever notice that the vast majority of conspiracy literature talks about Vatican this, Rome that, Christian Satanists, etc? And some of it I'm sure may be quite legit. But do Catholics scream hate and racism upon such ideas or claims? do Asians? do Africans?

Nobody ever, relatively, speaks of Jewish agents of conspiracy in literature and ironicly Jews are, somehow, more genetically predisposed to be conspiracy authors and researchers. Quite a conundrum, indeed, i say.

Why are top Jew agencies (ADL, JDL) so focused on character assassination if there is really no legitimacy to vast Jewish elements of the worldwide sham? What are they worrying about, if it really is just BS?

Why are we conditioned to think of talking about Jewish conspiracy as the ultimate taboo in America? How is the Holocaust the most prominent and forefront tragedy of all time? How is demanding proof of gas chambers anti-semitic? Should we abolish the logical concept of evidence from our judicial system now? How was the holocaust worse than African-American slavery, for instance?

Dont let stigmas and other irrationalities deter you from questioning and sorting logistics.

People love to tell me how i am wrong on this forum. Yet after every post of mine, my continuous questions never get answered. ad hominem attacks on me only further prove my point!


Ashkenazi jews have a higher IQ than all of us. Due probably to a genetic disease caused by inbreeding.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002812.html

No wonder then that they have such high acheivements.

[albie]

Hi Albie, I think I remember you posted this some time ago - who did this study?

This conclusion would mean that the other 60% are khazars, while those 40% are from Israel's ancestry. Regardless, it still means 60% are not from Israel. But does this mean they should leave? Maybe, according to how Israeli government determined those calling themselves Jews from far off lands like Myanmar [menasshites they call themselves], or bene-israel cant get in. [Alleged lost tribes following assyrian expulsion, perhaps khazaria history repeating except in different places? Or a genuine link to sephardic ancestry?] Im just mentioning this part b/c its a reality as well. This part of the story may be just as relevant to whats going on.

The whole idea of these tests to determine who can be a citizen is pretty much an irony, since Israeli society by and large is secular, and yet this genetic determination is a racial/eugenics exercise in a religious undertone; if the ones doing the testing dont have the sephardic mutation than its pretty ironic... this is more about whether the power structure 'recognized' so and so wishing to emigrate as a jew, as a jew or not. If you emigrate or make 'aaliyah' its easier than not, from what I hear. So I guess people who want to do that believe either its part of prophecy, for an easier way to get a better life, or both. Notice how this thinking is sort of the thinking that the power structure wants, for people to get ahead easier, so long as it follows the plan. whos plan, gods plan, or mans plan? which men?? what kind of plan?? In this case Id say it would be fair to test the testers as well. But this is only about who can emigrate....were really talking about if its legitimate or not.....Albie you said that 40% is significant enough to mean all askhenazim are related to sephardim somewhat right? Did you say somewhere its mixed up so much, like heterogenously? Is there a study that shows this trait? Its real hard b/c now were talking about what % of a race someone is. Extrapolating from that to conclude who should live where is insanity. But so is political manipulation through the 'liquidation of jewish wealth' by zionists, as Herzl said. How does that quote go? I believe I saw a video on this people on the street in Israel were being interviewed about these quotes by Herzl and only a few ppl out of lots actually knew. I dont remember the name.

This 'control' is being done as David says generally about it all, at another level, on purpose; when enough ppl discover the lies or manipulations, its a 'problem' in need of a reaction and a solution - probably violent, and probably one that may mirror the past. We should be careful not to let our emotions guide us too far in this, or other schemes created by the prevailing power structure, whatever its origin, and despite how awful whats being done is. Reps or whoever, know very well how emotions operate from a defensive/offensive paradigm since its how they probably created all of their control for so long. At a deeper level this structure lacks love, and doesnt know it. If we react to the 'problem' and think our 'solution' is our own, if its guided by emotion rather than a true problem solving mindset that takes all good things into account, than its not our solution, its the one the power structure anticipates will transpire, and for our continued loss as a species.

Well this...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/science/14gene.html?ex=1294894800&en=d17eda8e09ca32a4&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Suggest that ashkenazi men were of middle eastern origin and that the 40% of women are related to just 4 jewish women.

[albie]

Efforts to identify the origins of Ashkenazi Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome (inherited only by males), and the mitochondrial genome (DNA which passes from mother to child). Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.

A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[7] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

[albie]

Approximately 38 percent of Ashkenazi Levites share a particular haplotype that is also found among about 11 percent of Sorbs and about 8.5 percent of Belarusians. (Sorbs and Belarusians are both Slavic peoples.) In The Ashkenazic Jews (1993), Paul Wexler had proposed that Ashkenazi Jews are related to Sorbs, but this was unable to be substantiated using non-genetic data. The DNA affinity with Sorbs may be significant but may not be the only explanation.
The study emphasizes that Ashkenazi non-Levite Jews in general do not have a major Khazar or European origin in their Y-DNA.

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-cohen-levite.html

[albie]

The Y chromosomes of Ashkenazic and Sephardic levites show no particular simularity. ... There is, however, a strong genetic signature common to 52% of Ashkenazic levites. It is a set of genetic variations belonging to a branch of the world Y chromosome tree known as R1a1. To judge by the amount of variation on these levite R1a1 chromosomes, the original ancestor seems to have entered the Jewish community about 1,000 years ago, roughly the time when Jewish settlement in northwest Europe began, in other words at the founding of the Ashkenazic community. The geneticists who discovered the R1a1 signature among the levites, a team that included Skorecki, Hammer and Goldstein, note that outside the Jewish community the R1a1 chromosome is relatively common in the region north of Georgia, in the Caucasus, that was once occupied by the Khazar kingdom. The Khazars were a Turkic tribe whose king converted to Judaism in the eighth or ninth century AD. The geneticists propose that one or more of the Khazar converts may have become levites, accounting for the R1a1 signature among today's Ashkenazic levites. But Shaye Cohen, an expert on Jewish religious history, believes it unlikely that converts would become levites, let alone founding members of the levite community in Europe. The Khazar connection is ''all hypothesis'' in his view."

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-cohen-levite.html

There is still signs of a limited input from Khazars.

[albie]

Icke uses Sitchin's 30 year old book to suggest that the Ashkenazi jews have no genetic link to the land and no religious right move there.

Icke clealry hasn't seen the recent genetic tests and is now suggesting a mistruth.

Someone should alert him to this. I know it's impossible to talk to him.

Sitchin's book is pretty lame to start with. Using censuses and supposed khazarian origins of yiddish to prove that 90% of ashkenazi are khazarian.

As this isn't the case (as far as we know now) then they do have a genetic right to live in palestine, from where their ancestors were removed.


If they have a moral right or political right is up to each individual to decide.

Of course, if the tactics of zionism are found to be unfavourable...

Well, I don't know.

If this is an Illuminati thing, why did they allow the jews to be removed in the first place?

I know that When Herzl sent a letter to the Rothschilds suggesting a Jewish state...they ignored the letter and Herzl.

For some time.

Israel is not a major Illuminati plot. Just another way of causing anger. Another pawn.

[awakensong]

I found this in someone's signature line at the nolajbs.net site. Sheds an interesting light on this topic of discussion, if everything presented is true.

The Taldmud Unmasked
http://www.talmudunmasked.com

What the Talmud Teaches About Christians (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter8.htm) - and from reading these articles I have seen it clearly shown they are speaking of all Gentile peoples.

Christians Unworthy to Associate with Jews (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter10.htm)

Christians Are Unclean (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter11.htm)

Christians Are Idolaters (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter12.htm)

Christians Are Evil (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter13.htm)

Christians Are Unworthy to Associate with Jews (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter13.htm)

Christians to be Harmed Indirectly (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter13.htm)

Christians to be Harmed Directly (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter15.htm)

Is this really what they believe??

[kha zarr]

Talmud boggles my mind its beyond ridiculous but even moreso how anyone can defend what is said within it.

It is further proof that most if not all religions, as we understand them, in our present 'c'-evil-liza-tion, is politics forced, yes forced, upon the soul. Do we see the damage to the collective unconscious it causes, how it causes us to be 'opposed' to the other religion, and more fearful and obedient to our own [if we are still part of one]? More wars, just like politics, and all based on 'rallying the troops' [congregation] to give support to the cause of deception, w/o even realizing we gave away our power to decide.

Ive never been to a synagogue, and Ive been to a good number, where these issues are ever discussed fairly and honestly. But of course not, why would it, if the image is to be strengthened not weakened. Just politics thats all it is and all it will ever be. Not real spirituality. Can you institutionalize spirituality?

9 times out of 10 thats what humans do, though, firstly and foremost, because we want to feel like we [x race or culture just fill in the blank] want to be the god of our world, and secondly, we join in, because of the fear of what other people think, like 'youre an unbeliever' or 'godless anti___" or whatever. Its like calling someone a 'doo-doo head' its kinda funny next time someone jumps to conclusions this way - its not so bad and doesnt affect you as much, and might even be funny.

But its sad how a meme like 'man or culture/race as god' gets into the mass consciousness so easily, in the form of so many religions? If we can [nonviolently] replace this paradigm, just on our own, even, then we wont *have to worry what others think cuz then wed all know the jig is up. The idea of man promoting god with the attributes of imperfect man, is indication that such individuals who created these religions did not understand what divinity or more significant aspect of reality they were dealing with.

[foreverspirit]

HEY EDRO:

CLOSER INSPECTION OF: ASHKENAZI - NOT REALLY JEWISH - FROM UP THERE AROUND THE BALTIC - SLAVIC REGION - AFTER WORLD WAR II GERMANS QUIETLY SET UP ABOUT 300 COMPANIES WORLD WIDE - GREAT WEALTH ACCUMULATION - ROTSCHILD - HIDING THINGS IN PLAIN VIEW.

You have any ideas/info. on this possible connection?:cool:

[midwich cuckoo]

HEY EDRO:

CLOSER INSPECTION OF: ASHKENAZI - NOT REALLY JEWISH - FROM UP THERE AROUND THE BALTIC - SLAVIC REGION - AFTER WORLD WAR II GERMANS QUIETLY SET UP ABOUT 300 COMPANIES WORLD WIDE - GREAT WEALTH ACCUMULATION - ROTSCHILD - HIDING THINGS IN PLAIN VIEW.

You have any ideas/info. on this possible connection?:cool:

Now consider that Ashke means beloved.

Therefore Beloved Nazi :eek:

[awakensong]

Can you institutionalize spirituality?
I thought the following would be appropriate at this point, because it is such a good way to word the answer to the above question:

Here is the speech given by "K" as his followers have affectionately called him for many years; given when he renounced all religion and dissolved the Order of the Star:

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/k_pathless.htm

Truth is a Pathless Land
by J. Krishnamurti

What follows is the speech made by Jiddu Krishnamurti in 1929 when he dissolved the Order of the Star. The Order of the Star was the organisation built around Krishnamurti by Theosophists who selected him at the age of 13 to be the vehicle for the return of the Christ, or Maitreya. He was raised accordingly, but after his enlightment, he refused the role that has been prepared for him, disbanded the organisation of which he was the head, and continued to teach on his own. His speech was made during the Dutch Camp of Ommen, in front of more than three thousand Star members, and with many thousands of Dutch people listening on the radio. Many of the concepts that are present in this speech are worth to be pondered upon in the light of almost 70 years of spiritual history.


We are going to discuss this morning the dissolution of the Order of the Star. Many will be delighted, and others will be rather sad. It is a question neither for rejoicing nor for sadness, because it is inevitable, as I am going to explain....

I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organised; nor should any organisation be formed to lead or coerce people along any particular path. If you first understand that, then you will see how impossible it is to organise a belief. A belief is purely an individual matter, and you cannot and must not organise it. If you do, it becomes dead, crystallised; it becomes a creed, a sect, a religion, to be imposed on others.

This is what everyone throughout the world is attempting to do. Truth is narrowed down and made a plaything for those who are weak, for those who are only momentarily discontented. Truth cannot be brought down, rather the individual must make the effort to ascend to it. You cannot bring the mountain-top to the valley....

So that is the first reason, from my point of view, why the Order of the Star should be dissolved. In spite of this, you will probably form other Orders, you will continue to belong to other organisations searching for Truth. I do not want to belong to any organisation of a spiritual kind; please understand this....

If an organisation be created for this purpose, it becomes a crutch, a weakness, a bondage, and must cripple the individual, and prevent him from growing, from establishing his uniqueness, which lies in the discovery for himself of that absolute, unconditioned Truth. So that is another reason why I have decided, as I happen to be the Head of the Order, to dissolve it.

This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies. Then you will naturally ask me why I go the world over, continually speaking. I will tell you for what reason I do this; not because I desire a following, not because I desire a special group of special disciples. (How men love to be different from their fellow-men, however ridiculous, absurd and trivial their distinctions, may be! I do not want to encourage that absurdity.) I have no disciples, no apostles, either on earth or in the realm of spirituality.

Nor is it the lure of money, nor the desire to live a comfortable life, which attracts me. If I wanted to lead a comfortable life I would not come to a Camp or live in a damp country! I am speaking frankly because I want this settled once and for all. I do not want these childish discussion year after year.

A newspaper reporter, who interviewed me, considered it a magnificent act to dissolve an organisation in which there were thousands and thousands of members. To him it was a great act because he said: "What will you do afterwards, how will you live? You will have no following, people will no longer listen to you." If there are only five people who will listen, who will live, who have their faces turned towards eternity, it will be sufficient. Of what use is it to have thousands who do not understand, who are fully embalmed in prejudice, who do not want the new, but would rather translate the new to suit their own sterile, stagnant selves?....

Because I am free, unconditioned, whole, not the part, not the relative, but the whole Truth that is eternal, I desire those, who seek to understand me, to be free, not to follow me, not to make out of me a cage which will become a religion, a sect. Rather should they be free from all fears - from the fear of religion, from the fear of salvation, from the fear of spirituality, from the fear of love, from the fear of death, from the fear of life itself. As an artist paints a picture because he takes delight in that painting, because it is his self-expression, his glory, his well-being, so I do this and not because I want any thing from anyone. You are accustomed to authority, or to the atmosphere of authority which you think will lead you to spirituality. You think and hope that another can, by his extraordinary powers - a miracle - transport you to this realm of eternal freedom which is Happiness. Your whole outlook on life is based on that authority.

You have listened to me for three years now, without any change taking place except in the few. Now analyse what I am saying, be critical, so that you may understand thoroughly, fundamentally....

For eighteen years you have been preparing for this event, for the Coming of the World Teacher. For eighteen years you have organised, you have looked for someone who would give a new delight to your hearts and minds, who would transform your whole life, who would give you a new understanding; for someone who would raise you to a new plane of life, who would give you new encouragement, who would set you free - and now look what is happening! Consider, reason with yourselves, and discover in what way that belief has made you different - not with the superficial difference of the wearing of a badge, which is trivial, absurd. In what manner has such a belief swept away all unessential things of life? That is the only way to judge: in what way are you freer, greater, more dangerous to every society which is based on the false and the unessential? In what way have the members of this organisation of the Star become different?....

You are all depending for your spirituality on someone else, for your happiness on someone else, for your enlightenment on someone else.... when I say look within yourselves for the enlightenment, for the glory, for the purification, and for the incorruptibility of the self, not one of you is willing to do it. There may be a few, but very, very few. So why have an organisation?....

No man from outside can make you free; nor can organised worship, nor the immolation of yourselves for a cause, make you free; nor can forming yourselves into an organisation, nor throwing yourselves into work, make you free. You use a typewriter to write letters, but you do not put it on an alter and worship it. But that is what you are doing when organisations become your chief concern. "How many members are there in it?" That is the first question I am asked by all newspaper reporters. "How many followers have you? By their number we shall judge whether what you say is true or false." I do not know how many there are. I am not concerned with that. If there were even one man who had been set free, that were enough....

Again, you have the idea that only certain people hold the key to the Kingdom of Happiness. No one holds it. No one has the authority to hold that key. That key is your own self, and in the development and the purification and in the incorruptibility of that self alone is the Kingdom of Eternity....

You have been accustomed to being told how far you have advanced, what is your spiritual status. How childish! Who but yourself can tell you if you are incorruptible?....

But those who really desire to understand, who are looking to find that which is eternal, without a beginning and without an end, will walk together with greater intensity, will be a danger to everything that is unessential, to unrealities, to shadows. And they will concentrate, they will become the flame, because they understand. Such a body we must create, and that is my purpose. Because of that true friendship - which you do not seem to know - there will be real co-operation on the part of each one. And this not because of authority, not because of salvation, but because you really understand, and hence are capable of living in the eternal. This is a greater thing than all pleasure, than all sacrifice.

So those are some of the reasons why, after careful consideration for two years, I have made this decision. It is not from a momentary impulse. I have not been persuaded to it by anyone - I am not persuaded in such things. For two years I have been thinking about this, slowly, carefully, patiently, and I have now decided to disband the Order, as I happen to be its Head. You can form other organisations and expect someone else. With that I am not concerned, norwith creating new cages, new decorations for those cages. My only concern is to set men absolutely, unconditionally free.

http://www.lavender-rose.net/pics/jiddu-krishnamurti-young.jpg


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"Truth is a pathless land and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. My only concern is to set humanity absolutely, unconditionally free."

[foreverspirit]

MIDWICH:

In What Language?

[awakensong]

MIDWICH:

In What Language?
I'm also looking for the original meaning of the word "Nazi".

At Wikipedia it says:

short form for National Socialist; now U.S. slang for people who behave very uptightly about something. This meaning was popularised in an episode of the U.S. television comedy programme Seinfeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld), which features the soup nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_nazi) restaurateur character.


Nazism is not a monolithic movement, but rather a collection of ideas and positions: anti-parliamentarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-parliamentarism), ethnic nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism), racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race), eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics), anti-Semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism), anti-communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism) and homophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexual_people_in_Nazi_Germany_and_t he_Holocaust).(See Key elements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi#Key_elements_of_the_Nazi_ideology), below). While some scholars contend it is a left-wing movement, most scholars say it abandoned most of its left-wing roots and moved to the far right.
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So would this mean that Ashkenazi means "Beloved Socialist"?

[foreverspirit]

MIDWICH:

I could never trust WIKPEDIA. More concerned with what language for Ashke=Beloved?

Thanks.

[tru3]

you know, it occurred to me that the babylonian-based mystery schools always had a left-hand and a right-hand school who both "reported" to a heirophant, or supreme priest. i see it simply as the right hand is the "rothschilds", the left hand is the catholic church. they both report to the same boss; our good buddies "upstairs" :rolleyes:

make sure y'all keep up on 2tuff's material as well. it's hard to look in two directions at once, isn't it? ;) my daddy always said, "don't swat at gnats when the elephants are running down the hallways."

http://poisonkitchen.typepad.com/politics/chess/Spock.jpg

[midwich cuckoo]

MIDWICH:

I could never trust WIKPEDIA. More concerned with what language for Ashke=Beloved?

Thanks.

OK I should have looked into this further :o But I was tired and went to bed soon after finding it.

All I did was type "ashke meaning" into Google and found that it means "beloved".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ashke+meaning&btnG=Search

Looking further into it I found that it was a language made up by a science fiction writer named Mercedes Lackey.

Mercedes Lackey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Lackey)

So it's not a real language, sorry for the confusion. :)

[foreverspirit]

Looking further into it I found that it was a language made up by a science fiction writer named Mercedes Lackey.

Mercedes Lackey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Lackey)

So it's not a real language, sorry for the confusion. :)


MIDWHICH:

THANKS SO VERY MUCH. DON'T BE SORRY. NO CONFUSION CAUSED - CURIOUSITY EVEN MORE PEAKED!

NOT A REAL LANGUAGE!!???!! - IT'S BEING USED RIGHT, LEFT AND CENTRE AND IT'S NOT A REAL LANGUAGE???? - HMMMM!!!!

"MADE UP BY SCIENCE FICTION WRITER -MERCEDES LACKEY". COULD THIS SCIENCE FICTION WRITER/WRITERS BE ONE OF THE COMPANIES/PROJECTS (mentioned in my original post) STARTED BY THE GERMANS AFTER WORLD WAR II??? - ISN'T MERCEDES A GERMAN COMPANY??!!! WHOAH AND WOW!

I'LL JUST FOLLOW THIS NEW CLUE - THANKS FOR THE LEAD.

HOPE YOU SLEPT WELL.

PEACE.

[albie]

Ashkenaz is the hebrew word for Germany.

[albie]

I suppose Adolph was a Dolphin was he?

[foreverspirit]

AH HA! I KNEW IT!:

I GOT IT: FROM: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewcommentary.php?storyid=121


HOLY FREAKOLI!! ALL THIS FOOLISHNESS ABOUT JEWS WHEN THIS IS THE CASE:


The History of the House of Rothschild
Posted in the database on Thursday, December 15th, 2005 @ 07:33:08 MST (5452 views)
by Anonymous Andy and Daryl Bradford Smith Iamthewitness.com


TRACED THE ORIGINS OF THE NAME: MAYER AMCHEL BAUER

Definition: From Middle High German "bure" or "bur" meaning farmer or peasant.

Surname Origin: German

Alternate Surname Spellings: BAUERS, BAUMANN



The Rothschilds have been in control of the world for a very long time, and I produce my evidence for this below in a timeline.

The Rothschilds have, with their founding of Zionism, betrayed the principles of the Torah, and have caused great suffering around the world.

I name individual Rothschilds where I can, but due to the secrecy which they shroud themselves in, naming the exact Rothschild is not always possible.

I also wish to point out that this article is not criticising everyone with the name Rothschilds, simply the criminal element of that group that have carried out the treachery I detail below.

Furthermore a great deal of this criminal element no longer carry the name Rothschild and there is a great deal of evidence pointing to the fact that those people currently in control of the United States, British and Israeli government are in fact Rothschilds




Rothschild Timeline

1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer, born Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender and the proprietor of a counting house. Over the entrance door he places a red sign.

This sign is a six pointed star (which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666) which under Rothschild instruction will end up on the Israeli flag some two centuries later.

1753: Gutele Schnaper (future wife of Mayer Amschel bauer) born.

1760: During this decade Mayer Amschel Bauer works for a bank owned by the Oppenheimers’ in Hanover, Germany, he is highly successful and becomes a junior partner. Whilst working at the bank he becomes acquainted with General von Estorff.

Following his father’s death, Bauer returns to Frankfurt to take over his father’s business. Bauer recognises the significance of the red sign and changes his name from Bauer to Rothschild, after the red sign signifying 666 hanging over the entrance door (“Rot,” is German for, “Red,” “Schild,” is German for, “Sign”).

Now Mayer Amschel Rothschild, he discovers that General von Estorff is now attached to the court of Prince William of Hanau. He therefore makes the General’s re-acquaintance on the pretext of selling him valuable coins and trinkets at discounted prices.

As he plans, Rothschild is subsequently introduced to Prince William himself who is more than pleased with discounted prices he charges for his rare coins and trinkets, and Rothschild offers him a bonus for any other business the Prince can direct his way. Rothschild subsequently becomes close associates with Prince William, and ends up doing business with him and members of the court.

1769: Mayer Amschel Rothschild is given permission by Prince William to hang a sign on the front of his business premises declaring that he is, “M. A. Rothschild, by appointment court factor to his serene highness, Prince William of Hanau.”

1770: Mayer Amschel Rothschild marries Gutele Schnaper.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild draws up plans for the creation of the Illuminati and entrusts Adam Weishaupt with its organization and development.

FOR MUCH MORE INFO. SEE LINK.

WHEW! YUCK!! - ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING HOW MANY WAYS THEY HAVE FOR COVERING UP FOR THEMSELVES - WHAT THE FREAK MORE DO I NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THIS PUTRIDNESS!! INFINITE LOVE IS ALL THERE IS (OMMMM SWAHAMMMM) - YEAH RIGHT!! I KNOW ENOUGH NOW, TIME TO TURN OFF AND CREATE MY OWN REALITY!! ADIOS, ARRIVE DERCI, CIAO, SIANARA... best of all ...Pfüat Di AND MUCH SUCCESS EVERYONE!!!:cool:

[awakensong]

INFINITE LOVE IS ALL THERE IS (OMMMM SWAHAMMMM) - YEAH RIGHT!! I KNOW ENOUGH NOW, TIME TO TURN OFF AND CREATE MY OWN REALITY!! ADIOS, ARRIVE DERCI, CIAO, SIANARA... best of all ...Pfüat Di AND MUCH SUCCESS EVERYONE!!!:cool:

Foreverspirit,

Did you understand that David was never trying to say love is all there is? Anyone with common sense, as I know you and everyone else here has, can see that wouldn't be true.

What I believe he is trying to explain is that Love is the Absolute Reality and is the only thing that is Infinite (all else changes). He says it's the "only Truth", not the only thing in existence, or our only experience in this realm.

If he thought that, he wouldn't be warning about what he calls the Reptilians, would he? his Repts are probably your Rothschilds.

[foreverspirit]

Foreverspirit,

What I believe he is trying to explain is that Love is the Absolute Reality and is the only thing that is Infinite (all else changes). He says it's the "only Truth", not the only thing in existence, or our only experience in this realm.

If he thought that, he wouldn't be warning about what he calls the Reptilians, would he? his Repts are probably your Rothschilds.


Hey, you're absolutely right. That silly David. Wasting his time warning us. Why doesn't he just stop judging the "Reps" about something that will eventually change. After all Infinite Love is the "only Truth".

Now foolish one, you stop that unecessary screaming while the predator degrades your mental, physical and emotional!! Get a grip. Don't you realize it's only an experience in this realm. Love is the absolute reality.

WHAT??? MAYBE "IL" IS NOT THE ONLY TRUTH. MAYBE "IL" IS WORKING OUT IT'S OWN INSANITY. THOUGH, WE'LL NEVER GET TO THE TRUTH AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP SKIRTING "PRESENT REVELATIONS/TRUTHS".

IN THIS POST WE HAVE COME TO THE TRUE BRANCH/ROOT OF EVIL, YET WE STILL WISH TO HIDE BEHIND THE FALSE LABELS OF "REPS" AND "ROTHSCHILD".

PUHLEEEEEZE - THE MOST TRUTH I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME HAS COME FROM A BRAVE SOUL WITH THE NEW POST: "SEXUALITY IN THE ILLUMINATY REICH"

I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS MORE TO DISCOVER/LEARN. FEEL FREE TO SCHOOL ME.:cool:

[awakensong]

Hey, you're absolutely right. That silly David. Wasting his time warning us. Why doesn't he just stop judging the "Reps" about something that will eventually change. After all Infinite Love is the "only Truth".

Now foolish one, you stop that unecessary screaming while the predator degrades your mental, physical and emotional!! Get a grip. Don't you realize it's only an experience in this realm. Love is the absolute reality.
I meant quite the opposite, actually. It is good to be warned about the experience we have become captured into. That is one of the steps back out. It doesn't just fix itself, either, in my view of things; they don't just 'eventually change'. But Infinite Love IS the only Truth because that is all that IS infinite; all else changes. Anything that changes is not "Truth" because Truth is a constant.

My own question from long ago remains unanswered, though. If there is only ONE Oneness, as David continues to say, and at Its core it is Infinite Love, how did that One Consciousness become split into warring factions with and against Itself?

[albie]

Following his father’s death, Bauer returns to Frankfurt to take over his father’s business. Bauer recognises the significance of the red sign and changes his name from Bauer to Rothschild, after the red sign signifying 666 hanging over the entrance door (“Rot,” is German for, “Red,” “Schild,” is German for, “Sign”).

How does it represent 666?

[albie]

And why do you put so much emphasis on the notion of a red sign? It was common at that time in Germany to have these shields on your door or gate. One of the Rothschilds changed his name to Greenschild because he had a green shield on his gate.

It really doesn't seem that mysterious to me.

[foreverspirit]

And why do you put so much emphasis on the notion of a red sign? It was common at that time in Germany to have these shields on your door or gate. One of the Rothschilds changed his name to Greenschild because he had a green shield on his gate.

It really doesn't seem that mysterious to me.


HI ALBIE:

Actually I did not put "so much emphasis on the notion of a red sign". Seems to me it was just a part of the information I had discovered. However seeings how you seem to have "put so much emphasis on the notion of a red sign", I decided to go a lookin'!

MYSTERY MAY BE SOLVED: (I found this in an article from "Truth Seeker") Hmmm shortly after I started this thread!?! Are they peeking around? Nevertheless they themselves furnished us with the following info:

1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer, born Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender and the proprietor of a counting house. Over the entrance door he places a red sign. This sign is a red hexagram (which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666) which under Rothschild instruction will end up on the Israeli flag some two centuries later.

Geee thanks Albie, I learned another little sumpin' sumpin'!!!

WHAT I HOPE I DID, WAS PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THE FACT THAT:

THE SO CALLED ZIONIST/ASHKENAZI JEWS/ILLUMINATI/JESUITS/POPE, ET AL ARE REALLY THE GERMANS!!! Remember "BAUER" is aGERMAN name.

While we're at it. How clueless does one have to be to not see that even ROTHSCHILD is not a Jewish name!?!LOL LOL LOL LOL OH OH OH OHH LOL!!

Also I've previously heard the british royal family have GERMAN roots. Isn't Illuminati central really in LONDON??

I'll have to do some more research on this. (However, me tinks me already have the answer:D) Ahhhhhh tis' so sweet to make ones own discoveries!!!!:p

SCHOOL ME ALBIE !!:cool:

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There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...

[foreverspirit]

FORGIVE ME: NOT THIS THREAD, BUT THE THREAD :

AshkenNAZI Jews - Nazi(hmm)-Germans - Connection?

THANKS A MILLION!

[albie]

Rubbish. Of course it's a german name. They were German. German Jews still have a genetic heritage leading back to the old land.

I don't see what you think is so mysterious about all this? Jews took on german names.

BECAUSE OF ALL THE IDIOT RACISTS THAT KEPT ATTACKING THEM.

How does the hexagram add up to 666?

You seem to have the mind of a schizophrenic. They aim in on coincidence too. read signs eveywhere.

mmmm.

And where did the idea of the hexagram come from? It was a red shield. The racist sites put it as a hexagram

[albie]

http://www.rothschildarchive.org/ib/?doc=/ib/articles/data_faq_redshield

Like most of the other inhabitants of the Frankfurt Judengasse, the Rothschilds took their name from their house. Although their civil status was uncertain, the inhabitants of the Judengasse derived a proud sense of identity from their ancestral homes. Pictorial representations of names were engraved or painted onto keystones and doors, and people often retained their names, and emblems, when they moved to another house.

The Rothschild name can be traced back to a sixteenth-century ancestor of Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), Isaak Elchanan who took the name Rothschild from a small house he occupied at the southern end of the Judengasse called zum Roten Schild ("House at the Red Shield").

When his grandson, Naftali Hirz left the "House at the Red Shield" in 1664 and moved to the Hinterpfann (a tenement in the back of a house at the northern end of the Judengasse), he took the name Rothschild with him.

By the early 18th century there were ten or twelve Rothschild families in Frankfurt, changing money or buying and selling cloth and second-hand goods. Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born in the Hinterpfann in 1744. He lived here throughout his childhood and much of his married life, until, in 1784, together with his wife Gutle and their first five children, he was able to buy a larger house in the Judengasse.

The property was known as the "House at the Green Shield" and Gutle was to remain here until her death in 1849. It was in this fourteen foot wide by thirty-eight foot long four-storey house illustrated here, that Mayer and Gutle's ten children grew up, their five sons to become the future bankers to European monarchs and governments.

The Green Shield House was made famous by the Rothschild brothers' success and was much photographed and described by contemporaries. The family bought it to save it from the City's demolition programme, turning it into a museum in the late nineteenth century. The property survived until the Allied bombing of Frankfurt during the Second World War.

For further information about life in the Frankfurt Judengasse, see Amos Elon's Founder: Meyer Amschel Rothschild and his time, (London: HaperCollins, 1996)

A green shield too?

These houses already had shields as decoration when they were built. It was common in Germany. NOT JUST JEWS. They were a German thing. Not a Hexagram.

[albie]

There's no evidence that it was a star of david above their door. The only evidence is their coat of arms.

http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~bazlov/israel/smallpic/170nadiv_arms.jpg

[foreverspirit]

Rubbish. Of course it's a german name. They were German. German Jews still have a genetic heritage leading back to the old land.

I don't see what you think is so mysterious about all this? Jews took on german names.

BECAUSE OF ALL THE IDIOT RACISTS THAT KEPT ATTACKING THEM.

How does the hexagram add up to 666?

You seem to have the mind of a schizophrenic. They aim in on coincidence too. read signs eveywhere.

mmmm.

And where did the idea of the hexagram come from? It was a red shield. The racist sites put it as a hexagram


Hi Albie:

I don't see what you think is so mysterious about all this? Jews took on german names.

Mysterious ain't it, how we can trace back and see how they changed the GERMAN name BAUER to a so called JEWISH name (ROTHSCHILD ???- BAWAAAAAHHHAAAA), yet we can't seem to find the so called JEWISH name they changed it from to the GERMAN BAUER.

NUFF SAID

The Hexagram issue has been tackled countless times! The same disinformationists let the cat out of the bag!


"BECAUSE OF ALL THE IDIOT RACISTS THAT KEPT ATTACKING THEM"
Hmmm. As far as we are able to deduce, the main character that is connected with so called "Jewish" racism is again the "GERMAN"

NUFF SAID

You seem to have the mind of a schizophrenic. They aim in on coincidence too. read signs eveywhere.

Yes I want to read all the signs everywhere. I must look at the signs at every angle possible. I must use my power of reasoning. I have a mind. I must use it. I cannot just sit and accept whatever the Albie's of the world tell me. I need to have all the information available in order to make a proper assessment. I don't like to miss a beat!!

You asked a question, unfortunately you didn't like the answer. Did I touch a nerve of hidden/overlooked truth? Trying to chastize someone for the discoveries of their research is real sharp.

I remember hearing once, people usually accuse you of what they are guilty of. Still, if you can, feel free to school me.:cool:

Quote from GEOSPIRIT:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...

[foreverspirit]

Welllllll, lookie here what I just found today. Ya don't suppose maybe they've always known what we've only just discovered. Nawwwwah. Schizo eh Albie??:rolleyes:


Jews flock to Germany
By Harry de Quetteville in Berlin
Last Updated: 2:36am BST 03/04/2007



Almost 70 years after the Nazis plotted the Holocaust, German Jews yesterday celebrated the Passover holiday with the news that their community has become the fastest growing in the world.

This extraordinary reversal of fortune has even seen Jewish immigration to Germany outstrip that to Israel.


Orthodox Jewes making Matzah, an unleavened bread for the Jewish holiday of Passover
According to one rabbi, Israelis are flocking to Berlin, rather than German Jews making their aliya, or emigration, to Israel.

"Berlin is the place to be," Rabbi Walter Homolka, the principal of the Rabbinical Seminary in the German capital, said. Like Jews across the world, Rabbi Homolka was yesterday preparing for the Passover holiday, which celebrates the freeing of the Israelites from ancient Egypt.

But he is doing so amid a congregation that has been transformed in recent years.

Across Germany the number of Jews has swollen tenfold from the 23,000 members it counted in 1990.

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"The revival of the German Jewish community is a fact," said Rabbi Homolka. He said Berlin is now host to 10 synagogues, with Jewish community centres and schools, and kosher restaurants and shops.

For the first time since the Second World War, three new rabbis were ordained in the city of Dresden last September. Since then, seven more candidates have applied for the five-year training programme, Rabbi Homolka said, with the next ordination due in spring 2008.

According to Stephan Kramer, general secretary of Germany's Central Council of Jews, the country's renaissance has drawn more Jewish immigration than Israel.

Most of the newcomers have come from the former Soviet Union, drawn by lenient immigration rules.

Until recently, a single Jewish parent was enough to guarantee them entry citizenship in Germany. But as numbers arriving from the east spiralled into the hundreds of thousands, German authorities tightened up regulations. "The laws of immigration were very lenient after re-unification but that has changed," said Rabbi Homolka.

However, the Jewish community in Germany is not immune from modern acts of anti-Semitism.

Last year the country recorded a record number of far-Right extremist crimes, and a month ago a Jewish kindergarten in Berlin was attacked with a smoke bomb and daubed with graffiti.

But community leaders say the majority of news is good. Last week, a Jewish museum was opened in Munich yards from the site where Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels ordered the destruction of the city's main synagogue on Kristallnacht in 1938.

It adds to Berlin's Jewish museum as a major site marking the enduring existence of a Jewish community in the land that plotted its extermination. As in Israel, the influx of many largely secular Jews from Russia and its former satellites has led to some assimilation problems, but it has also helped resuscitate the community.

"The community is growing with so many people that some need help finding their Jewish identity - and that has led to some infighting," said Rabbi Homolka. "But it's always a sign of healing when Jews fight with each other because it means there is no outside enemy to unite against."



GEEEEZ, FANCY THAT - OKAY, I GEUSS THERE'S NOTHING LEFT HERE, TIME TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS THREAD. WOW, IT'S BEEN A SLICE!!:cool:

[albie]

The Hexagram issue has been tackled countless times! The same disinformationists let the cat out of the bag!

What do you mean? Specify.

[albie]

Why is it significant that Jews are moving to Germany? Do you imagine that's them letting slip that they are German?

That's fanciful.

I wouldn't (couldn't) base my beliefs on so flimsy an article of evidence.

Although schizophrenics would.

You know, you don't have to be mad to have delusions or hear voices or see reptiles.

Or find connections where there are none.:D

[albie]

Mysterious ain't it, how we can trace back and see how they changed the GERMAN name BAUER to a so called JEWISH name (ROTHSCHILD ???- BAWAAAAAHHHAAAA), yet we can't seem to find the so called JEWISH name they changed it from to the GERMAN BAUER.

NUFF SAID

Nuff said?

You're joking.

How is it significant that you can't find evidence of them changing their names?

It's paltry bits of nothing like this that amazes me about you guys.

You see something from nothing.

It's not significant. Where did you get your surname? Got evidence for it?

How is it significant if they did have a hexagram over their door? They were jews.

Not that there is any evidence for it being a star of david.

[illuminist]

The thread is bogus. ...And we all know what Albie is about - ''I can eaisly have this site taken down by the ADL.''

...I find it bogus due to it creating yet another dialectic debate which the initial poster implies when concerning Alex Jones. Zionists like governments and bankers ect are used as fronts to shift blame form the culprits themselves - Illuminiati. Associating Zionism with Judaism is either through desperation, ignorance or both.

- Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.

Judaism plays its seperating part like the other religeons but it has been used that little bit more for a satanic cult agnenda.

[illuminist]

Where's agent ADL? :D

[awakensong]

Are the Illuminati members more powerful than the Jesuits? Do they have the same power? Why all these different 'labels'? Zionist, Judaist, Illuminati, Jesuit.

I read on yet another site that the REAL culprit is "International Jewry". Now, who are we to believe in all this, when we can't see first-hand what is going on and by whom?

[illuminist]

More names thus more shifting the blame in the most basic sense.

[albie]

The agenda is not a jewish one. It wouldn't fit. I don't believe a true jew would kill to bring about a jewish world.

It's racism to blame the jews. Plain and simple. The ADl is doing a correct thing.

Some of you have been sucked up into hate. That's what they planned to happen.

You can't even see it.

[illuminist]

The agenda is not a jewish one.

Who's saying that its a Jewish agenda? Or is it you associate Zionism to be Jewish thus thinking that if someone creates a dicussion about Zionism that that must without doubt be discussin Judaism?

Why is it that you associate Zionism with Judaism?

...It isn't about Zionism or any ism's... they simply are there to create a dialectic discussion. i.e. taking a fraction of the facts and using it as a left-right paradign.

It wouldn't fit.

Of course it doens't fit because its not a Jewish agenda - For the 2nd time.

...Though a man-made ressurection of Israel doens't 'fit', neither - Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.

I don't believe a true jew would kill to bring about a jewish world.

For the last time who said its about Judaism. OBVIOUSLY you associate Zionism with Judaism. Does Judaism call for the man-made ressurection of Israel? Again Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.

It's racism to blame the jews. Plain and simple.

Who is blaming Jews in this thread? You continue to associate Zionism with Judaism! - Which makes you have 'bait' to shout racism - What the fuck?

If you didn't associate a political movement for a man-made ressurection of Israel then you wouldn't be here.

The ADl is doing a correct thing.

...And what is it doing exactly? Reducing any mentionig of Jews to anti-semites. Screaming anti-semtism accusations of people who discuss Zionism?

You are such an example of bullshit and a person who just looks for the word Zionism in this forum and associates it with Judaism.

Some of you have been sucked up into hate. That's what they planned to happen.

You've been sucked into associating Zionism with Judaism thus anything around here mentioning Zionism you automatically shout racism. Or more conviently anti-semitism which is so contradictory due to semitism not just amplying to Jews.

You can't even see it.

You see the word Zionism and neatly think ''Oh... I see the word Zionism so I'll reduce them to being racists... Ah.. I feel better now'' - Pathetic.

[foreverspirit]

Quote:

Mysterious ain't it, how we can trace back and see how they changed the GERMAN name BAUER to a so called JEWISH name (ROTHSCHILD ???- BAWAAAAAHHHAAAA), yet we can't seem to find the so called JEWISH name they changed it from to the GERMAN BAUER.

NUFF SAID


HI ALBIE:

You left out my name: "FOREVERSPIRIT" from the Quote. It's okay, you can use it. I'm extremely proud at what I've discovered!!:p

Also, please do not send me any more "Private Messages" as, ah, hello?! I've already solved this riddle!:rolleyes:

I will also discontinue my connection to this thread now. There's nothing left here for me to learn! However, I couldn't resist giving you and Illuminst one last BAAWAAAAHAAAAA!!!:D

As I have moved on to bigger and better things, I suggest you do the same.:cool:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

[albie]

Who's saying that its a Jewish agenda? Or is it you associate Zionism to be Jewish thus thinking that if someone creates a dicussion about Zionism that that must without doubt be discussin Judaism?

Why is it that you associate Zionism with Judaism?

...It isn't about Zionism or any ism's... they simply are there to create a dialectic discussion. i.e. taking a fraction of the facts and using it as a left-right paradign.



Of course it doens't fit because its not a Jewish agenda - For the 2nd time.

...Though a man-made ressurection of Israel doens't 'fit', neither - Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.



For the last time who said its about Judaism. OBVIOUSLY you associate Zionism with Judaism. Does Judaism call for the man-made ressurection of Israel? Again Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.



Who is blaming Jews in this thread? You continue to associate Zionism with Judaism! - Which makes you have 'bait' to shout racism - What the fuck?

If you didn't associate a political movement for a man-made ressurection of Israel then you wouldn't be here.



...And what is it doing exactly? Reducing any mentionig of Jews to anti-semites. Screaming anti-semtism accusations of people who discuss Zionism?

You are such an example of bullshit and a person who just looks for the word Zionism in this forum and associates it with Judaism.



You've been sucked into associating Zionism with Judaism thus anything around here mentioning Zionism you automatically shout racism. Or more conviently anti-semitism which is so contradictory due to semitism not just amplying to Jews.



You see the word Zionism and neatly think ''Oh... I see the word Zionism so I'll reduce them to being racists... Ah.. I feel better now'' - Pathetic.

If you don't know that most people who believe in the Illuminati threat also believe that jews are the main players the you don't get around much.

They go hand in hand.

Google it.

[albie]

Quote:

Mysterious ain't it, how we can trace back and see how they changed the GERMAN name BAUER to a so called JEWISH name (ROTHSCHILD ???- BAWAAAAAHHHAAAA), yet we can't seem to find the so called JEWISH name they changed it from to the GERMAN BAUER.

NUFF SAID


HI ALBIE:

You left out my name: "FOREVERSPIRIT" from the Quote. It's okay, you can use it. I'm extremely proud at what I've discovered!!:p

Also, please do not send me any more "Private Messages" as, ah, hello?! I've already solved this riddle!:rolleyes:

I will also discontinue my connection to this thread now. There's nothing left here for me to learn! However, I couldn't resist giving you and Illuminst one last BAAWAAAAHAAAAA!!!:D

As I have moved on to bigger and better things, I suggest you do the same.:cool:

There is nothing more important for you at this time than to seek higher than you have done to date. We must be uncompromising and unconditionally consecrated to the Truth -...EXPANDED AWARENESS

You are just running away because you've been caught out with a rubbish belief. You claim to know more, but aren't willing to share it?

I'm not fooled.

Anyone else here fooled?

[teslafire]

You are just running away because you've been caught out with a rubbish belief. You claim to know more, but aren't willing to share it?

I'm not fooled.

Anyone else here fooled?

Not by you, no.

[illuminist]

If you don't know that most people who believe in the Illuminati threat also believe that jews are the main players the you don't get around much.

They go hand in hand.

Google it.

...? People who truly research the Illuminati know that Jewish people have been 'used' as fronts in the most basic sense. i.e shifting blame. (Blaming a group of people nevermind Jews obviously lets the Illuminati off the hook, clearly.) ...And people who do and have researched the Illuminiati don't go around saying how Jews are somehow wholeheartedly Illuninati. They're used as much if not that bit more like the rest of us.

...Now you can Google dialectic, blame shifting, conflict, half baked facts you want... but if group of people that can be associated with something like the Illuminiati... its by all means the purpose of 'front' and shifting of blame.

You can't even debate other than shouting accusations of anti-semitic paranoia.

What is disturbing... is that Albie and ForeverSpirit are the same. i.e they debate in a complete dialectic
form thus never getting anywhere in a debate at ALL!!!

PS.I am suprised in that Albie never foamed at the mouth at me saying a man-made ressurrection of Israel doesn't fit. I'm in dispora for a reason and aren't sucked into the masonic state Albie my firend- Umipnay chatoenu golinu mayartsaynu.

[illuminist]

You rather much disapear don't you, Albie?

I'll make it very clear to you that if you think that myself and others go around blaming Jewish people through researching, knowing of the Illuminiati then you need not be here!

...Looking at your posts it seems very ADL-like of you just scouring the word Zionism and Illuminati then shouting racist accusations.

[albie]

I'm here. I know that if you dig that you find that the jews are supposedly just a front. We are in agreement. Sadly most of the theorists I encounter don't accept that.

Sadly, these sites attract a lot of basic racism.

[edro9494]

the idea that top tier jews are just front is based on the fact that the Ashkenazi clan are not historically hebrew but rather Russian like the caucasian race.

If you have read the biggest secret, Icke lays how white races came from the Caucasus Mountain range around what is now Russia in Europe.

This is why the Ashkenazi clan speaks Yiddish which is European and not Hebrew. Because they came from Europe and are not the historically part of the hebrew clan.

[awakensong]

I have been reading at the Iamthewitness.com website and came across this by Mark Fuhrman: that Lee Harvey Oswald (according to Fuhrman who also believes O.J. Simpson killed Nicole), was the lone gunman and assassin of JFK.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/JFK-Fuhrman-Simpson.html

Does anyone else think this about Oswald?

[james777]

I've been reading and following this post for quite some time now, just reading and analyzing the information passed back and forth. One thing I've noticed is that there is SO much dis-information right here on this very thread.

Not one here can say for sure that the information they believe to be true is in fact true. I mean you're all getting your information from books, web-sites, radio....ect.....but what you fail to realize is that these factors are all the factors that cause confusion and that help spread dis-information. David Icke, Alex Jones...the rest of them.....I mean I wouldn't trust them any more than a rabid, pissed off pitbull. These guys are bloodsucking puppets that work for the illuminati. The very same illuminati that they warn us about......right?? Wrong....all this illuminati, zionist....ect.....this is all bullshit, all facade....all make believe.

No doubt the world is run by evil....but, by making us believe and create an US vs. THEM scenario on a scale this large just pushes us further into the world of dis-information and thus enables the very few that do run the show to control us with greater ease.

If 'WE' the truth seekers, really are after truth and really want to make changes in our world...then 'WE' have to stop arguing amongst each other about petty bullshit that doesn't make one fuck of a difference and take back our countries, states, cities....school....ect....it's up to us, but as long as we believe we are outnumbered, outpowered and outwitted, then shit won't change...........just remember, u heard it here first...

[shedmyskin]

This is really frustrating.....I listen to Alex Jones. I've heard him cover the zionist, etc... aspect not just once...but a number of times. He is not concerned with one group because he does not believe it is in fact just one group of ellites. If anyone who made these claims had ever listened to him for more than a handful of minutes they might be able to figure this out. Its just not true at all that Alex Jones ignores the zionist aspect.

James777 hit the nail on the head there.

[revolutionary_jam]

Alex Jones does not tell his audience about about the Israeli/Mossad agents involved in the attacks.

From my experience I don't agree, Prison Planet came down pretty strong against the invasion of lebanon and on his report on the london bombings when he was going through examples of state sponsored terrorism he mention Mossads involvement in remote control bombings even though they weren't directly relevant to the subject matter.

[cruise4]

"we believe we are outnumbered, outpowered and outwitted"

Thats because we are. There's no doubt about it at present. By we I mean 'all the good people'. Most of them don't even know there's a problem yet.

I have also heard AJ mention Zionist's. It ridiculous to think you at this stage you can just come out on Public Media Outlets and say anything you want with no consequences. You work with what you have.

Its up to us... the invisibles, to raise these issues now and I think most here understand their importance in the scheme of things.

If you start a revolution you don't go up single handed against the oppositions army unless you are a complete fool, a martyr or extremely big!

[anoninnyc]

keep in mind that in the usa the zionists are not even jewish mainly! they are the crazy born again christians who want to speed up the end of the world.

[foreverspirit]

I just couldnt resist!


Eu Is A German Ruse

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Bill Cash, MP, questions "The German Question" [The European Journal, April 2007] "of what and where is Europe?" when "Germany has not even established her own national identity, which remains strikingly unstable even after reunification... let alone found a directing principle which can hold the ramshackle European Union together...".

Mr. Cash proceeds to warn: "Without radical change, the evolution of the EU would lead to a German Europe." He then proposes, challenging German ambitions: "The institutions and treaties reasoned under the terms of the Franco–German partnership need to be unravelled and renegotiated to support a simpler and freer association of nation states with national referendums on all existing treaties. A democratic answer to the German Question at last."

The Germans have created and tolerated the charade of the EU. They have never intended to share power with untermenschen nations but have planned to methodically impose Germany's will, however slowly but surely, upon the continent by stealth.

Even as the irascible Nazi-Muslims, the "Palestinians" - German agents of genocide against the Jews by proxy - patiently pursue their phased destruction of Israel (with collaboration from its purchased oligarchy), Germany will dispense of democracy as soon as it has served its purpose, outlived its exploitation, even as Adolf Hitler did once he consolidated power to himself. The world is in for a rude awakening: The EU is a German ruse.

What will enable Germany to reveal their true colors? To exercise complete dominance over Europe? To gain the consent of the continent to be placed under total German control? An unprecedented crisis of sorts. Will Iran offer Germany this opportunity?

Will Germany find itself fulfilled in its mission from God to save Europe by restoring the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation"? Will the Vatican offer Germany this meaning and purpose and direction it presently lacks - at least publicly? Will the pope strongly promote Germany to rescue the world from Islam, by any means necessary, and get the masses eating out of his hand? Will The Atlantic Times address the German threat or leave it to others to lead?

The German question demands a German answer, and such an answer is destined to take the world by surprise. The United States as world leader is history. Providence has so decreed Germany rules. Will Germany get it right this time? Or will the German-Jesuits require humbling by Asian instruments? And will all mankind demand divine deliverance?

Is Germany in Danger of Backsliding?
Europe to Take Out Iran for Jerusalem
The Intelligence Summit Misses the Mark: the German-Jesuit Threat to World Peace


David Ben-Ariel is a Christian-Zionist writer and author of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall. Visit the Beyond Babylon blog.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Yeeeeah, If it looks like an ASHKENAZI and smells like an ASHKENAZI, guess weve found the ASHKENAZI!!

Germany Behind the Mask: Monster or Marshmallow?

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Are We Wrong About Europe? by Ryan Malone of The Philadelphia Trumpet magazine, reveals how they continue in Armstrong's tradition.

Konrad Adenauer said the West was "taking a calculated risk" when they started rebuilding Germany after the Holocaust. Before that President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill agreed: "It is our inflexible purpose to destroy German militarism and Nazism and to ensure Germany will never again be able to disturb the peace of the world."

Nevertheless, Helmut Schmidt reported Germany was again putting on "imperial airs," and author Bernard Conally wrote that France was struggling to "hold the old demons of Germany's character in check." Margaret Thatcher warned her deaf audience that "Germany is very powerful now - her national character is to dominate." Are they all just crying wolf? Or is the German beast about to devour again?

Robert Locke is opposed to the increasingly fascist Europe (but doesn't believe Germany dominates it) stated: "I can't agree with you about Germany. It is a castrated PC marshmallow of a country, not a lion preparing to rule the world."

Consider Luigi Barzini's reference to “The mutable Germans” in The Europeans where he questions: “Which is the shape of the German Proteus this morning? Which will be its shape tomorrow? Johannes Gross thinks his countrymen wear a mask. 'But the day may come when someone lifts the mask,” he wrote. “The face that appears may be less full-cheeked and rosy than today's... So long as we wear the mask, we remain hidden and continue to conceal the situation from ourselves.'”

Ron Fraser (Is a World Dictator About to Appear?) exposes: “Although Germany is the prime mover in all these [European unification] efforts, in order to dispel any idea that the country may have expansionist intentions, these initiatives have generally been made under the cloak of being for the common good of the European Union.”

This sentiment concurs with Bismarck, who wrote in his diary (Nov. 1876): “I have always heard politicians use the word “Europe” when they were making requests to other powers which they did not dare formulate in the name of their own country.”

What is Germany hiding? Nuclear weapons? Who would be so foolish to imagine Germany without their own nuclear weapons when they were ahead of us in developing them? Certainly the grand design Franz Josef Strauss had in mind (with much at his disposal as Federal Minister of Nuclear Energy, and later Defense Minister) demanded independence from the United States. And Germany's Dolphin submarines delivered to Israel, equipped to handle nuclear weapons, underscore German military capabilities, yet the United States continues to blindly promote their control of the European continent, oblivious to The Dangers in US-German European Policy.

How many German plants in America are serving the interests of Germany's budding Fourth Reich? It's not only German factories and German businesses in America proving “that basic thoroughness of the orderly German” (Johannes Gross), since the secret Nazis had predetermined such a strategy, but bought and paid for American prostitutes in diverse and perverse positions of power aid and abet them! They expose our country to danger and will leave us infected as a nuclear wasteland!

What is Germany hiding behind the mask? Even if skeptics dismiss the mystic relationship between Germany and the Vatican (both forging Europe into their image believing “the German spirit will heal the world” -Emanuel Geibel), and doubt the Bavarian pope is soon going to promote a particular strong man and platform to save Europe and the world from the threat of Islam, shouldn't those responsible for our national security seriously consider the scenario of a United States of Europe betraying us? Shouldn't the intelligence experts consider that possibility and prepare for it? Why suffer the element of surprise that Germany is infamous for? “The German is acquainted with the hidden paths to chaos...” (Nietzche).

“...it is once again important to keep an eye on the German Proteus in an attempt to fathom the probable shape of things to come. What form will he assume next? After all, Germany is still le coeur de l'Europe” (Barzini). Is the German marshmallow about to mutate into the German monster? Will the EU mask come off and expose the beast? Will the heart be healthy for Europe or dark and dangerous?:cool:

[foreverspirit]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2502830637471895940:cool:

[foreverspirit]

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0042-062X%28199223%2925%3A2%3C198%3AGLRTFA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage:cool:

Abstract
The strong influence of German on the English language is illustrated in this article, which lists nearly one hundred German loanwords related to food and drink. The terms are described in their cultural, historical, and etymological context.:cool:

[julieray]

Hi,

I am sorry if someone else has posted this link on this thread. I have had a read through most, but not all and I cannot see it.
http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm

and
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

both are extremely interesting, though I would imagine a little old now.

Eric Phelps, the author, seems to confirm that the Black Pope, of the Jesuit Order is probably the most powerful man in the world, who has control of all the other illuminati organisations. On the second link he also has a heirachial list of who is where within the illuminati too.

He seems to confirm that the Pope of the Vatican has overall control of the Zionists, but that ultimately the Black Pope has overall control - so whilst we are arguing between ourselves, which particular movement is responsible for what atrocity of the world - it does look as though the finger should ultimately be pointed to those higher again!!

[foreverspirit]

but ultimately the Black Pope has overall control - so whilst we are arguing between ourselves, which particular movement is responsible for what atrocity of the world - it does look as though the finger should ultimately be pointed to those higher again!!

Hi:

I would like to think that we are not arguing back and forth, but are gathering and exchanging information back and forth in what seems to me, to be an intriguing mystery!! Yeah there have been a few obnoxious posts, but no need to let that throw one off from a great discovery. Theres no accouting for the strangeness of some of the birds who are said to flock together. Ya just gotta deal with them in a classy and dignified manner and then move on!

Yes I see the Black Pope aspect, however, I am so fascinated with the GERMAN angle, that oh so silently and powerfully exists. So much information on the Jesuits, Pope, Reps, UN etc., and so very little on the GERMAN connection. Or should I say, so very little discussed about the GERMAN connection. I cant find it. Or at least as yet. But then again the aforementioned posts point out that my hunch was right!! I just feel like theres some kind of blood and or major connection between the POPE, ITALIANS and THE GERMANS:eek:

Yeah, Zionists, Zionsts, Zionists, yet no one can say who they are. Or wont. I dont see the banking Czars sitting in Israel. I see them sitting in LONDON. London, Queens background again are GERMAN. If you saw any of my posts youll see I found that the main man ROTHSCHILD starting of as BAUER which is GERMAN. So many so called JEWS living and going back to GERMANY recently, over 50 million of em started of in America and lots of other nifty little tidbits no one in the CONSPIRACY FEILD is discussing. Im so curious as to why no one dares go near it!! Though Im glad the aforementioned writers are on the ball. I have to keep up with their writings.

But all in all its been and continues to be a fun and intriguing thinking experience for me!. This coming from a person who firmly believes it was Mark Furhman that committed the OJ Simpson murders.

Ahhhh nothing like a good mystery to figure out when you realize someone is trying to brainwash you!!:cool:

[julieray]

I whole heartedly agree! Perhaps "argue" was the incorrect word to use there, maybe I should have put "debate". I too am curious about the truth of everything and am currently reading "The Biggest Secret" at the moment and am probably just about over half way through. David's view is very much that the elite, over years have chopped and changed their surnames so as to avoid detection. Likewise, I am with your line of thinking re the German link and think that it has a mixture of all sorts of secret societies and elite, not to mention the major bankers.

This link has a bit of info on the Zionists and their connection with the Pope etc.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm

Likewise this link has details on how Satanic the existing German ID Card is;
http://www.cremationofcare.com/illu_sym_german_id.htm

You are indeed onto something re a German Link, but perhaps it is so underground, it is very difficult to infiltrate. David does think though that Hitler was possessed and chosen to be the voice of the Aryan Reptilian Agenda which, funnily enough was for a European Union - how ironic is that - I have just read that last night in his book.

The trouble is there is so much, interbreeding, same people belonging to so many groups and all are interlinked so tightly that I suppose David has aired on the side that being so closely linked then they are all working towards one and the same agenda.

I shall do some more investigation, but hope this info is useful in your cause.
Unconditional love and light.:)

[foreverspirit]

This link has a bit of info on the Zionists and their connection with the Pope etc.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm

Likewise this link has details on how Satanic the existing German ID Card is;
http://www.cremationofcare.com/illu_sym_german_id.htm

I shall do some more investigation, but hope this info is useful in your cause.
Unconditional love and light.:)


Julieray:

Yes they have interbreeded but always amongst their own selves. The appearance of so many groups, is just that, appearance. Such great influence over language, remember, they influence the history books and history on the internet. With enough objective, rational thinking though, the root that they try to hide can still clearly be seen as GERMAN.

Thanks for the links. I will definitely check em out. Do share whatever more you come across on this angle and thanks so very much for your love.

[megafish33]

Wow... I came here late lol...

This whole thread was kinda sad to me. One pointed out the legitimate concern of Zionist conspiring against others for their own interests. Personally, I don't see Zionism as much of a conspiracy because it's out in the open and they're not hiding their goals and ambitions, but whatever... Then, as one points out, they (now the term Jews is thrown in with Zionists) aren't the leaders of the (what they call) "Illuminati" group, as if that was established as evil, written in stone, never to be looked into again. And to make things more confusing, people still don't know that the majority of Jewish people, in fact, do share Hebrew/so called Semitic genetics with other middle easterners (I prefer Southwest Asians but you can't win em all...). Is this really that incredible to grasp? Jews, especially back in the day, were mad religious, they couldn't just marry and make kids with any gentile, or people of the nations. It should not be of any surprise that most of them are the same people they're forefathers were thousands of years ago. Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised myself, by the opposing arguments, people believe the Protocols of the Elders of my ass are, like, totally "for reals."

I enjoy Icke's work and his central theories. Infinite Love is a great idea. I love to read up on conspiracy theories. And of course, there is plenty of conspiracy going on, day in and day out, in business, politics, banking, religion.... Everything that makes the West what it is, has always been interwoven with conspiracy and competition. Not the most evolved way to get things done, but hey what happened happened.

Just out of curiosity... Has anybody here studied/majored in history (not world, Western Civ. mostly) at the University level? If so, what school, and what textbooks? What are your alternative history sources? Which websites? Which authors? Have they studied history? Archeology? Who here has done some work with genetics, and in what capacity? Has any body here NOT graduated for a secondary school institution? Who here thinks it doesn't matter what and where you studied because all schools and reading materials were written by Jews and/or Zionist?

To those who really believe Zionists are doing something horrible and that the conspiracy runs deeper than really meets the eye/Jews aren't "real," they're make believe, from some mountains up north: You are most certainly entitled to your beliefs! But what are you doing for your cause? Have any of you compiled all your evidence and presented your cases to any historians? You can check their last name to see if they're Jews or not, although some background investigation would help. They could have converted to Judaism and become publicly active Zionists. Do you believe what is being done with the Palestinians is unfair? Why don't you make a goal to fly there, and bring your infinite love. Become proactive, assure them that you are with them and for their cause. Youtube videos of drunken Jewish teenagers don't count as evidence of conspiracy, go there and see what is happing yourselves. Although I won't say join the PLO, you know what I'm getting at. Don't just be an armchair conspiracy theorist, go and live the experience. Compile your evidence and find someway you can present it to the ADL, trust me, it is certainly in there interest to look at such things. Of course, I'm not saying that you can't be proactive on the internet. But go speak with your enemies face to face and despite their claims in a civil matter, especially if it's something you believe in greatly.

If you're with an Abrahamic religion, may your god help your cause, either against or for the Zionist movement of your choice.

[cruise4]

Britain’s Gordon Brown becomes patron of Zionist agency
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By Redress Information & Analysis

28 July 2007

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has agreed to become patron of the UK arm of the Jewish National Fund, whose funds have contributed to Israeli ethnic cleansing, the destruction of Palestinian villages and the expropriation of Palestinian land, and whose constitution requires it to promote and implement policies that discriminate against Israel’s Arab population.

Gordon Brown has crossed a new threshold on the path to becoming a fully-fledged Zionist.

According to a report in the Jewish Chronicle, Gordon Brown has agreed to become a patron of the British arm of the Jewish National Fund (JNF UK) “following an invitation from JNF UK President Gail Seal, who wrote conveying her good wishes the day after he took office”.

In a letter to Gail Seal, Gordon Brown said that he was “delighted to accept your offer to become a patron of JNF UK”. A spokesman for Brown confirmed that the British prime minister had “agreed to become a patron of JNF UK”, and that he had done so “in order to encourage their work to promote charitable projects for everyone who lives in Israel”.

In fact, far from being “a charity” that benefits “everyone who lives in Israel”, the JNF is a principal tool of Israel's discriminatory system of land administration. Founded in 1901 to help establish a Jews-only state in the Arab country of Palestine, the JNF’s constitution requires it to benefit Jews exclusively. It therefore promotes and implements policies that discriminate against the Arab population of Israel.

The JNF is also guilty of ethnic cleansing, the destruction of Palestinian villages and the expropriation of Palestinian land. According to PalestineRemembered.com, in its operation in Israel, the JNF has

expropriated illegally most of the land of 372 Palestinian villages which had been ethnically cleansed by Zionist forces in 1948. The owners of this land are over half the UN-registered Palestinian refugees. The JNF had actively participated in the physical destruction of many villages, in evacuating these villages of their inhabitants and in military operations to conquer these villages. Today, the JNF controls over 2500 sq. km of Palestinian land which it leases to Jews only. It also planted 100 parks on Palestinian land.

In addition, the JNF has a long record of discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel as reported by the UN. The JNF also extends its operations by proxy or directly to the occupied Palestinian territories in the West Bank and Gaza. All this is in clear violation of international law and particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention, which forbids the confiscation of property and settling the occupiers' citizens in occupied territories. Ethnic cleansing, expropriation of property and destruction of houses are war crimes. As well, use of tax-exempt donations in these activities violates the domestic law in many countries where JNF is domiciled.

Since becoming prime minister at the end of June 2007, Gordon Brown has appointed several Israel apologists to key positions in the British government. He has also been at pain to stress his Christian Zionist credentials.

As patron of JNF UK, Gordon Brown will join a club that includes prominent British politicians and religious figures who, on the one hand, speak of the need for peace and justice in the Middle East while, on the other, promote and defend the racist Jews-only state of Israel. They include Tony Blair, Conservative leader David Cameron and Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, who is said to be a close friend of Brown.

http://www.redress.cc/global/redress20070728

[foreverspirit]

A new pyramid to be constructed in Germany and said to be 10 times the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza is being planned.

They're calling it "a tomb for all people" and, knowing the illuminati, they probably mean that literally.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9023

Hmmmmm!:cool:

[julieray]

A new pyramid to be constructed in Germany and said to be 10 times the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza is being planned.

They're calling it "a tomb for all people" and, knowing the illuminati, they probably mean that literally.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9023

Hmmmmm!:cool:


Do we have the technology to do this?? I thought that even with today's technology, we couldn't even recreate the Great Pyramids of Giza - let alone understand why they were built!

I would suspect that this great pyramid would be seen from space when built. Are they trying to attract attention to themselves for some reason??

It is very strange why they are doing this and maybe for other reasons that we will not know about more than likely. A mass grave!! - sounds like the gas chambers of the second world war. Is something more sinister going on, or am I just cynical in my old age?:)

[megafish33]

Do we have the technology to do this?? I thought that even with today's technology, we couldn't even recreate the Great Pyramids of Giza - let alone understand why they were built!


Of course we can... what if that's just one of the lies pushed by conspiracy mumbo jumbo? We know aliens probably didn't do it (directly) because there are many pyramyds, and to quote my history professor, "they f---ed up the first couple of times!"

The "how?" question is where I start to seriously doubt the mainstream thinking. Of course... they had a lot less time on their hands, they weren't deciding which restaurant, bar, or club to go to, when they can update their myspaces, protesting against Iraqi war or the state of Israel, etc. lol

[foreverspirit]

Yes it is, made designed by these guys from NDW Design (in Germany) >>> Click:eek:!


Wow, becoming clearer and clearer every day. Probably nows good time for a real arivederci:eek::cool:


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9243

[arjuna]

"The lizzies retarded our DNA from 12 to Double-stranded DNA, the kind you learn about in biology class.

Could you explain this edro9494?

Thank you

[foreverspirit]

German Government Publication Promotes Incestuous Pedophilia
By John-Henry Westen – LifeStyleNews.com July 30, 2007

Booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for Family Affairs encourage parents to sexually massage their children as young as 1 to 3 years of age. Two 40-page booklets entitled "Love, Body and Playing Doctor" by the German Federal Health Education Center (Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung - BZgA) are aimed at parents - the first addressing children from 1-3 and the other children from 4-6 years of age.

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

Canadian author and public speaker Michael O'Brien who has written and spoken extensively about the crisis of culture in the West spoke to LifeSiteNews.com about the shocking and extremely disturbing phenomenon. It is, he said, "State-encouraged incest, which in most civilized societies is a crime." The development is, he suggests, a natural outcome of the rejection of the Judeo-Christian moral order.

"The imposed social revolution that has swept the western world is moving to a new stage as it works out the logical consequences of its view of man's value," said O'Brien. "It is merely obeying its strictly materialist philosophy of man. If man is no more than a creature created for pleasure or power. If he is no more than a cell in the social organism, then no moral standards, no psychological truths, no spiritual truths can refute the 'will to power' and the 'will to pleasure'."

The pamphlet advises parents to permit young children "unlimited masturbation" except where physical injury becomes apparent. It advises: "Children should learn that there is no such thing as shameful parts of the body. The body is a home, which you should be proud of." For ages 4-6, the booklet recommends teaching children the movements of copulation.

Another product of the BZgA is a song book aimed at children of four and slightly older which includes several songs espousing masturbation. The song-book entitled "Nose, belly and bum" includes one song with the following lyrics: "When I touch my body, I discover what I have. I have a vagina, because I am a girl. Vagina is not only for peeing. When I touch it, I feel a pleasant tingle."

"The wiser and deeper position of most civilizations recognized that children need a period of innocence," commented O'Brien. "Now the state, the German state, is encouraging destruction of this state of innocence," he added. "This is consistent with the materialist philosophy that sees all moral norms and all truths about human nature as repressive. Pleasure and their distorted concept of freedom are their only guiding principles."

According to the Polish daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita, the BZgA booklet is an obligatory read in nine German regions. It is used for training nursery, kindergarten and elementary school teachers. Ironically it is recommended by many organizations officially fighting pedophilia, such as the German Kunderschutzbund. BZgA sends out millions of copies of the booklet every year. (NOT IRONIC AT ALL!!!!)

"A society such as Germany's which is already in steep decline, indeed into degeneration, will only inherit the whirlwind of violence and further levels of degradation of their own people," warned O'Brien.

"It has happened before in Germany. It has happened in other nations. Different causes but the same dynamic, the rejection of the moral order of the created universe results in radical evil. The German state intervention in family life is a new level of auto-destruction," said O'Brien.

Rzeczpospolita reports that the Eckhardt Scheffer of BZgA claimed that before releasing the manual the organization consulted parents, educators and child psychologists. 93% of whom gave a positive evaluation.

Even for a Western nation, Germany's billboards and television ads push the limits of public pornography. Last year LifeSiteNews.com reported that a very popular teen magazine in Germany publishes nude photos of teens in sexual positions which would be in almost any other nation illegal child pornography. With a licentiousness as the new morality of the secular materialist establishment and homeschool a forbidden practice, parents in Germany may well wonder what will transpire in public education.

"Will those children who are not liberated by their parents have special classes in their schools where they're introduced to these practices," asked O'Brien rhetorically. "If the state intervenes in this way, what won't it intervene in?"

O'Brien concluded his comments quoting G.K. Chesterton: "When men cease to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing anything." :eek::eek::cool:

[foreverspirit]

Wow, every day another nifty little tidbit. Can only just say: Hmmmmmm.



Deutsche Mark - National German Currency

At the core of Germany's success and influence lies its currency. The deutsche mark gave concrete expression to West Germany's international financial and economic success and also contributed to it. Since unification, it has become even more important as a symbol as well as an instrument of Germany's new central role in Europe. The success of the deutsche mark has been anchored in the success of West German exports, in the Bundesbank's solicitous management of the currency's value, and in the confidence generated by the country's prosperity.

The deutsche mark has been a model of stability since it became fully convertible in 1958. No other major currency, including the Japanese yen or the Swiss franc, has been stronger. The United States dollar, the cornerstone of the global system, has lost about two-thirds of its value against the deutsche mark since 1958.

The deutsche mark has become the second-largest currency component of global monetary reserves, second only to the United States dollar. Less than 10 percent of the world's monetary reserves were held in deutsche marks throughout most of the 1970s, but the amount rose to 15 percent by the end of 1987. By the end of 1989, around 20 percent of all global monetary reserves were in deutsche marks. The deutsche mark's position in global monetary reserves largely reflects the extensive deutsche mark holdings in European foreign-exchange reserve accounts as well as the desire among all industrial state treasuries and central banks to hold a stable currency in their reserves. According to the United States Federal Reserve Board, the United States government holds more than US$13 billion of its reserves in deutsche marks, an amount greater than its holdings in Japanese yen.

The deutsche mark is not used as widely for transactions as it is to supply central-bank reserves. Global commodity prices are still largely denominated in United States dollars. Whatever the deutsche mark's strengths may be, it does not offer the kind of liquidity that the dollar does. Invoicing in deutsche marks is concentrated on Germany's own commerce, but almost 15 percent of world trade is conducted on a deutsche mark basis. The deutsche mark figures much less significantly than the dollar in the creation of international credits or in debt servicing. But a growing quantity of international bond issues--including some being floated in the United States--are denominated in deutsche marks. Major United States banks offer deutsche mark accounts for Americans who want to hedge some of their assets against a fall in the dollar. The World Bank has floated Eurodeutsche mark bonds, as have various United States corporations. In Europe the deutsche mark has virtually become a parallel currency, with prices in Western Europe and Eastern Europe increasingly quoted in deutsche marks as well as in local currencies.

Bundesbank officials worry constantly that the growing circulation of the deutsche mark makes it difficult to control the supply of the central bank's own currency. Deutsche marks held abroad, circulating abroad, and perhaps even used for currency intervention abroad are still part of the total German money supply. Sudden, large flows could have undesirable impacts on German interest rates or German prices, materially complicating the execution of German monetary policy. The bank fears that any decline in the deutsche mark's value or in the German current-account surplus could set off a selling wave that would force it to intervene massively and perhaps unsuccessfully. Bundesbank president Tietmeyer has warned that the high deutsche mark holdings abroad place a particular burden on the Bundesbank because any loss of faith in the German currency could provoke large-scale selling. The deutsche mark has thus become a burden for Germany as well as a blessing. The Bundesbank stated in May 1991 that one reason it had to maintain high interest rates was to avoid the kind of decline and subsequent market effects that Tietmeyer had cited. The German currency risks finding itself on a treadmill where the stronger it gets, the stronger it must remain until the German monetary authorities no longer dare to reduce interest rates significantly for fear that they might spark a deutsche mark sell-off.

The IMF recognized the reality of German monetary power in 1990, when it promoted Germany and Japan to share the second rank just below the United States and ahead of Britain and France. German government and banking officials were not certain that they welcomed such prominence, but they were prepared to accept it as a reflection of international appreciation of German monetary policies.

The West German role in the development of the global financial and monetary system has been replete with ironies. No state consistently had a greater interest in developing a stable system and in cooperating in such a system. Nonetheless, West German policy helped undermine and even destroy some of the arrangements that West Germany wanted to maintain. During the Bretton Woods era, pressures on the dollar almost always expressed themselves in massive purchases of deutsche marks. The strength of the deutsche mark weakened the system because any currency--including the United States dollar--could come under attack if it were not defended and preserved as solicitously as the deutsche mark was by Germany. The only currencies and systems that survived this pressure were those whose governments determined from the beginning that they would follow a strict monetary discipline similar to that applied by the Bundesbank to the deutsche mark.

- Domestic Economy and International Economic Relations
- Bundesbank
- The Economic Miracle
- Impact of Unification on German Economy
- Germany in the World Economy
- National German Currency
- Culture of German Management


Geography (lands and capitals, climate)
Society (population, religion, marriage, urbanization, social structure, immigration)
Education (elementary, junior, senior, vocational, higher)
Economy (the Economic Miracle, financial system, Bundesbank, business culture)
Politics (government, the Chancellor, the President, parties, Bundestag)
Mass Media (newspapers, radio and TV)
Armed Forces (army, navy, air forces, police)

http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/facts/bl_deutsche_mark.htm:cool:











Web www.germanculture.com.ua

[foreverspirit]

Germany in the World Economy


Along with the United States and Japan, Germany has one of the world's biggest economies and most dominant central banks. Of the three, Germany has the smallest and most vulnerable economy. Germany's GDP of DM3 trillion is less than one-third of United States GDP and less than one-half of Japan's. Despite Germany's relatively small size, it has consistently exerted a powerful influence on the world economy. Since the end of World War II, the Federal Republic has played a key role in beginning, managing, or ending each crisis and each phase experienced by the global monetary system.

(Geez, I thought they said it was the Jews all this time! - Tee Hee Hee)



The first phase was the Bretton Woods era, named after the New Hampshire resort where the Allied monetary conference of July 1944 created the IMF and shaped the global postwar order. The dollar was pegged to gold at a fixed rate of US$35 per troy ounce, constituting the official backing of the global monetary system; other currencies were linked to the system through their own fixed, dollar-pegged exchange rates. Countries could devalue or revalue with respect to the dollar, and the dollar price of gold could at least theoretically remain constant even as rates of exchange between separate currencies fluctuated.

By the late 1960s, there was a surplus of dollars in the international financial system. Largely for domestic reasons, the United States had put far more emphasis on expanding dollar liquidity than on maintaining dollar value. Growing fear of United States inflation had made those dollars less desirable, and many central banks held more dollars than they wanted. The United States proposed that other countries revalue their currencies as provided under the Bretton Woods Agreement. But those other countries, and West Germany in particular, were not prepared to revalue. Money poured into purchases of the deutsche mark, sometimes for the purchase of German goods, but more often to hedge against the dollar or to make a profit when--as was widely expected--the deutsche mark would have to be revalued. West German foreign-exchange reserves rose from US$2.7 billion in December 1969 to US$12.6 billion by December 1971, and to US$28.1 billion by September 1973. The steady flow of foreign money into deutsche marks not only undercut the Bretton Woods system but also threatened to import inflation into Germany by expanding the German money supply.

West Germany tried to help support the dollar during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Bundesbank president Karl Blessing sent a letter to the chairman of the United States Federal Reserve Board pledging not to purchase United States gold but to maintain West German reserves in dollars. West German chancellor Ludwig Erhard (1963-66) agreed to make large purchases of United States dollar instruments and to make "offset" payments to lessen demands in the United States Congress for a reduction in United States forces stationed in West Germany. The United States and several other nations pressed West Germany to revalue in order to compensate for the dollar glut. Although the Bundesbank would have favored revaluation to reduce the risk of inflation, the West German government was afraid that a revaluation would cut into West Germany's global competitiveness and curtail exports.

Finally, after intensifying waves of speculation, the Bretton Woods system collapsed in August 1971. The United States stopped the sale of gold at US$35 per troy ounce and thus removed the fixed link between the dollar and gold. With that step, the system lost its anchor.

The deutsche mark remained under strain throughout the post-Bretton Woods period. It was alternately used in interventions to support the dollar or as a hedge against it. Other currencies again flooded into purchases of deutsche marks. To ease pressure within Europe, West Germany and other European states agreed to peg their currencies to a special system of relatively narrow exchange-rate bands formally entitled the "European narrow-margins agreement" but informally known as the "snake." But the snake also failed to hold. The domestic policies and even the economic philosophies of its leading member states--West Germany, France, Britain, and Italy--diverged too widely. The deutsche mark was the strongest currency, and others could not hold their value against it.

The United States and West Germany played key roles in trying to arrange a new global monetary system. But they had opposite objectives: the United States was determined not to have the dollar reassume responsibility for maintaining an international arrangement, fearing the great cost to its exports and economic stability. The United States government believed that countries with a trade surplus, such as West Germany, should accept part of the responsibility for solving exchange-rate crises and should be prepared to revalue, and it insisted on advance agreement for sanctions against any country that refused to do so. Despite its readiness to make minor exchange-rate adjustments for the sake of new currency alignments, West Germany refused to commit itself to any arrangement that would oblige it to revalue in the future.

In March 1973, the United States and other governments and central banks gave up trying to preserve the Bretton Woods system by setting new fixed exchange rates. With that decision, the next phase of the postwar international system, "floating," began. With floating, the relationship between the United States dollar and the deutsche mark became subject to market forces rather than official negotiations. West Germany was not certain whether floating would serve its needs but was not prepared to pursue any alternative.

Floating did not insulate domestic economies from international events and global economic forces. Although the floating era may have ended the period of fixed links to the dollar and to gold, it did not give countries complete monetary freedom. It only meant that adjustments would be made by the markets, not by government decree or agreement. Those adjustments would, at least theoretically, occur in reaction to trade and payments imbalances, correcting them over time. However, the situation did not work out as expected or planned. The increasingly important role played by capital flows, speculative or not, undercut the theoretically self-regulating mechanism of trade flows as the basis of currency values.

The economic consequences of floating for Germany were not uniformly beneficial. The Bundesbank welcomed floating because it gave the bank more flexibility. The bank, in fact, could virtually control the deutsche mark's exchange rate if it was prepared to manipulate interest rates to that end. But West German industry, and especially West German exporters, did not welcome the unpredictability that flexible exchange rates introduced into commercial arrangements and production plans.

West German exporters also faced a particular problem that persisted in the 1990s. The Bundesbank's favorite instrument for fighting inflation, a high real domestic interest rate, is also the instrument that attracts capital to the deutsche mark and keeps the currency valuable. Many businesspeople feared then, as they have since, that the Bundesbank's anti-inflationary policy would always keep the deutsche mark stronger than most other currencies and would thus jeopardize exports.

German exchange-rate policy has been constantly caught on the horns of that dilemma. When a decision absolutely needed to be made during the floating era, however, German governments and the Bundesbank have almost always chosen an anti-inflationary course of action. They have preferred a strong currency, which might adversely affect trade, to a weak one, which would jeopardize the stability of the German monetary system. With that choice, they set policy for others as well as for themselves. As long as the deutsche mark is strong and German interest rates remain high, even the United States can diverge from German policy only at the risk of seeing its own currency fall in value. Because of Germany's monetary dilemma, and because the German government as well as the nation's bankers and industrialists have recognized German limitations and vulnerabilities, all have been anxious to establish the highest possible level of international predictability. The Germans have become regular participants in international economic consultations, and they have emphasized the value of such consultations at every opportunity.

Global economic coordination after the end of the Bretton Woods system has resulted in the development of a number of coordinating institutions. One, first known informally as the Group of Five (G-5), consisted of the United States, West Germany, Japan, Britain, and France. After Canada and Italy joined, the association became known as the Group of Seven (G-7). The G-7 includes the finance ministers and central bankers of the principal economic powers, who meet periodically and consult regularly between meetings.

In addition to the meeting of G-7 finance ministers, there is an annual G-7 economic summit at which the heads of state or government of the same seven countries meet to coordinate economic and political policies or at least to attempt to understand each other better. The summits have been held annually since 1975 on a rotating basis among the summit states, usually in the capital. At the Naples summit of the G-7 in 1994, Russia joined the political discussions, essentially turning the gathering into the Group of Eight (G-8).

Three summits, those of 1978, 1985, and 1992, took place in Germany. Each was significant for different reasons. In 1978 Chancellor Helmut Schmidt (1974-82) committed West Germany to a more reflationary policy, to his later regret. Seven years later, Chancellor Helmut Kohl (1982- ) and other summit principals made commitments toward supply-side policies that most participants agreed were then necessary and that both Kohl and United States president Ronald Reagan wanted to use to reduce the role of government in their national economies. Seven years later, at Munich in 1992, the G-7 agreed to provide aid to Russia. However, the summit did not reach agreement on the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations, and Chancellor Kohl did not carry out what the United States had regarded as his promise to persuade the French to reduce their insistence on large EC agricultural export subsidies.

German bankers and financial officials have usually spoken skeptically about possible results from the summits, making abundantly clear that the meetings do not affect their views, although they may subsequently adjust specific policies. Bundesbank president Hans Tietmeyer has stated that West Germany sees them as occasions for "cooperation," not "coordination." German global policy has thus been guided by broad efforts to coordinate specific policies, but with a firm wish to preserve German interests and its friendships with the EU members it considers its principal economic partners.

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The West German role in the development of the global financial and monetary system has been replete with ironies. No state consistently had a greater interest in developing a stable system and in cooperating in such a system.


Ya see any Jews in sight? With that said, the articles did point out Germany was one of three of the largest banks. Who are the other two?:cool:

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Alex Jones & David Icke have stated many many times that they do not have all the answers & we shouldn't expect them too either.

They are both studious hard working genuine people with different angles on the same problems. The Alex Jones criticism is unfounded. I have heard him condem the Israelis many times for their brutality against the Palestinians & the mass murder attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. However you must recognise the sensitive & legalistic implications in the U.S.A. of focussing on the Israeli or Jewish involvement in the N.W.O. / Globalist agenda. Israel is not run by Jews . It is run by evil people. The U.S.A. is not run by Christian Americans it is run by evil people . The same is true of virtually all nations with the exception of the Tibet & the Dalai Lama. Yes many of the USA Government are Israeli citizens and or Jews. But the N.W.O. is Global Evil not Global Jewish. The fact that a large segment of Governments , Banks , Media & Movie companies are run by Jews is also irrelevant. The Jews were chosen for those tasks . The Elites are evil White, Black , Brown , Semite , yellow & Olive skinned people. The Chinese are running the show now and they are not Jewish.

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If you don't know that most people who believe in the Illuminati threat also believe that jews are the main players the you don't get around much.

They go hand in hand.

Google it.


Are you a Supporter of Zionism because you sure come across like one. Not surprising then that you want to throw the words Jews and Racism into the mix.
The fact is there are plenty of Jews around who are themselves opposed to Zionism. They take that stance because they know that the elite are using them the Jews, as Pawns in a game. So we get people like you branding anyone who quite rightly opposes the Nazis of Zionism with the spurious charge of Anti Semitism. If anyone need take the blinkers off it is you, but then again you are a supporter of those Zionist who sat about murdering innocent children in the name of God, thus you lot denigrate God everytime.

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A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature

By Warrant of John 18:37, Galatians 4:16
Copyright ©2000-2006 by Michael A. Hoffman II All Rights Reserved
Introduction

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:
"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.
The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

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Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
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Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com (http://www.noahide.com/) on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission
Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been gentiles (a gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews. (Also cf. Gemara Rosh Hashanah 25b).
Pharisaic Rituals
Erubin 21b. "Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands."
"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?"
"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
Genocide Advocated by the Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").
This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an [I]ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted interpretation.
Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a. Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).
Moses Maimonides: Advocate of Extermination
We will now examine the post-Talmudic commentator Rambam (Moses Maimonides). This revered "sage" taught that Christians should be exterminated. He has the highest stature in Judaism:
"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon, "Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon." [Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,, p. 3].
Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) taught concerning saving people's lives, especially concerning saving the lives of gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the "divine inspiration" of the Talmud:
Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly, if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him." The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah states this as well.
Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty of Jews towards Christians, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Chapter 10), p. 184:
"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."
The Jewish publisher's commentary accompanying the preceding statement of Maimonides states that Jesus was an example of a min (plural: minnim).
The commentary also states that the students of Tzadok were defined as those Jews who deny the truth of the Talmud and who uphold only the written law (i.e. the Old Testament).
According to Maimonides' Principles, p. 5, Maimonides "spent twelve years extracting every decision and law from the Talmud, and arranging them all into 14 systematic volumes. The work was finally completed in 1180, and was called Mishnah Torah, or "Code of the Torah."
Maimonides taught in another part of the Mishnah Torah that gentiles are not human: "Man alone, and not vessels, can contract uncleanness by carriage. ...The corpse of a gentile, however, does not convey uncleanness by overshadowing. ...a gentile does not contract corpse uncleanness; and if a gentile touches, carries, or overshadows a corpse he is as one who did not touch it.
"To what is this like? It is like a beast which touches a corpse or overshadows it. And this applies not to corpse uncleanness only but to any other kind of uncleanness: neither gentiles nor cattle are susceptible to any uncleanness." (The Code of Maimonides, vol. 10, translated by Herbert Danby, Yale University Press, New Haven, 1954, pp. 8-9).
Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Rotze'ach 2:11: "A Jew who killed a righteous gentile is not executed in a court of law. It says in Exodus 21:14, 'If a man schemes against his fellow man and kills the man deliberately, take him away from the altar and put him to death.' But a gentile is not considered a man, and even more so, a Jew is not executed for killing an unrighteous gentile."
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[eternal_spirit]

The Schindler's List Quote
The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.
The book on Hebrew censorship, written by Jews themselves (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that some Talmud texts use the universalist phrase:
"Whoever destroys the life of a single human being...it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ...it is as if he had preserved an entire world."
However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.
In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler's List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.
In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.
Jewish Deception and Dissimulation
The response of the orthodox rabbis to documentation regarding the racism and hatred in their sacred texts is simply to brazenly lie, in keeping with the Talmud's Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies ("subterfuge") to circumvent a Gentile.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a multi-million dollar rabbinical propaganda center dispatched Rabbi Daniel Landes in 1995 to deny that the Talmud dehumanizes non-Jews. "This is utter rot," he said. His proof? Why, his word, of course.
Lying to "circumvent a Gentile" has a long patrimony in Judaism. Take for example the 13th century Talmud debate in Paris between Nicholas of Donin, a Jewish convert to Christianity, whom Hyam Maccoby admits had "a good knowledge of the Talmud" ( "The Jews on Trial," p. 26) and Rabbi Yehiel. Yehiel was not under threat of death, bodily injury, imprisonment or fine. Yet he brazenly lied during the course of the debate.
When asked by Donin whether there were attacks on Jesus in the Talmud, Yehiel denied that there were any. Donin, a Hebrew and Aramaic scholar, knew this to be false. Hyam Maccoby, a 20th century Jewish commentator on the debate, defends Rabbi Yehiel's lying in this way:
"The question may be asked, however, whether Yehiel really believed that Jesus was not mentioned in the Talmud, or whether he put this forward as an ingenious ploy in the desperate situation in which he found himself...It would certainly have been pardonable of the rabbi to attempt some condonation in which he did not fully believe, to prevent such tyrannical proceedings by one religious culture against another." ( Maccoby, "The Jews on Trial," p. 28).
This is how Jewish denial of the existence of hateful Talmud texts is justified to this day. A fanciful word for Jewish lying is conjured ("condonation") and deemed "pardonable," while any scrutiny of Jewish holy books by Christian investigators is characterized as a "tyrannical proceeding."
In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jewish rabbis in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (yeshiviot) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to gullible non-Jews for public consumption.
Rabbi Marx states that in the version of Maimonides' teachings published for public consumption, Maimonides is made to say that whoever kills a human being transgresses the law.
But, Rabbi Marx points out "...this only reflects the censured and amended printed text, whereas the original manuscripts have it only as 'whoever kills an Israelite."(Tikkun: A Bi-Monthly Jewish Critique May-June, 1994).
The Jewish book, Hesronot Ha-shas ("that which is removed from the Talmud"), is important in this regard. (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books p. 59).
Hesronot Ha-shas was reprinted in 1989 by Sinai Publishing of Tel-Aviv. Hesronot Ha-shas is valuable because it lists both the original Talmud texts that were later changed or omitted, and the falsified texts cited for Gentile consumption as authentic.
Historian William Popper states: "It was not always that long passages...were censored...but often single words alone were omitted...Often, in these cases, another method of correction was used in place of omission--substitution." (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books pp. 58-59).
For example, the translators of the English Soncino version of the Talmud sometimes render the Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of disguise words such as "heathen, Cuthean, Kushite, Egyptian, idolater" etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). Footnotes for certain passages in the Soncino Talmud translation state: "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy..."
The heirs of the Pharisees often deny the existence of the Talmud passages here cited, in order to brazenly claim that such passages are the "fabrications of anti-Semites."
In 1994, the 80 year old Lady Jane Birdwood was arrested and prosecuted in a criminal court in London, England for the "crime" of publishing in her pamphlet, The Longest Hatred, the truthful statement that the Talmud contains anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages. (She was accused of violating the Public Order Act of 1986).
In the course of her Orwellian thought-crime trial, which was ignored by the U.S. media, a rabbi was called as a prosecution witness. The rabbi proceeded to flatly deny that the Talmud contained anti-Gentile or anti-Christian passages and on the basis of the rabbi's "prestige," this elderly and ailing woman was sentenced to three months in jail and fined the equivalent of $1,000.
"Judeo-Christian" Response to the Talmud
Neither the modern popes or the modern heads of Protestantism, have ever insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the racism in the Talmud or the murderous hate for Christians and gentiles expressed within it. On the contrary, the heads of Churchianity have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that these Catholic and Protestant leaders are the worst betrayers of Jesus Christ on earth today. (Cf. Matthew 23:13-15; I Thess. 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Rev. 3:9).
Non-Jews are "Supernal Refuse"
Moreover, not only Christians but non-Christians of all races are regarded as "supernal refuse" (garbage) by Talmud teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur Zalman.
This was analyzed in the Jewish magazine, New Republic: "...there are some powerful ironies in Habad's new messianic universalism, in its mission to the gentiles; and surely the most unpleasant of them concerns Habad's otherwise undisguised and even racial contempt for the goyim.
"...medieval Jewish theologians--most notably the poet and philosopher Judah Ha-Levi in twelfth-century Spain and the mystic Judah Loewe in sixteenth-century Prague--sought to define the Jewish distinction racially rather than spiritually...this...view, according to which there is something innately superior about the Jews, was rehabilitated in its most extreme form by Shneur Zalman of Lyady. The founder of Lubavitcher Hasidism taught that there is a difference of essence between the souls of Jews and the souls of gentiles, that only in the Jewish soul does there reside a spark of divine vitality.
"As for the goyim...Zalman's attitude (was): 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'
"Consequently, references to gentiles in Rabbi Shneur Zalman's teachings are invariably invidious. Their (non-Jews) material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews, as the pieces of chaff outnumber the kernels...All Jews were innately good, all gentiles innately evil.
"...Moreover, this characterization of gentiles as being inherently evil, as being spiritually as well as biologically inferior to Jews, has not in any way been revised in later Habad writing." --The New Republic, May 4, 1992. Also cf. Roman A. Foxbrunner, Habad: The Hasidism of Shneur Zalman of Lyady (Northvale, New Jersey, Jason Aronson, Inc., 1993) pp. 108-109.
U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts
"Our" government under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton, has provided, under the euphemism of education (for example, House Joint Resolution 173 and Public Law 102-14), a groundwork for the establishment of Talmudic "courts of justice" to be administered by disciples of Shneur Zalman's Chabad successor, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Maimonides ruled that it is a Jewish court -- or a court appointed by Jewish authority --that enforces obedience and passes judgment on Gentiles, as well as promulgating legislation by court order for that purpose. Maimonides further decreed that any non-Jewish nation "not subject to our jurisdiction" (tahaht yadeinu) will be the target of Jewish holy war. (Cf. Hilkhot Melakhim 8:9-10; 10:11. Also cf. Gerald J. Blidstein, "Holy War in Maimonidean Law," in Perspectives on Maimonides [Oxford, England: Oxford Univ. Press, 1991].
These courts are to be convened allegedly under the "Noahide Laws" (proscriptions against idolatry supposedly based on the covenant with Noah). The U.S. presidents and Congress urged the adoption of the "Noahide" Laws as interpreted by Chabad-Lubavitch Grand Rabbi Schneerson.
Prof. Easterly of the Southern University Law Center, a Jewish legal expert, has compared this Public law 102-14 to the "first rays of dawn" which "evidence the rising of a still unseen sun."
The Jewish Encyclopedia envisages a Noahide regime as a possible world order immediately preceding the universal reign of the Talmud.
It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud.
Under the Talmud's counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry. Meanwhile various forms of incest are permitted under the Talmudic understanding of the Noahide code. (Enziklopediya Talmudit, note 1, pp. 351-352).
Furthermore, all non-Jews would have the legal status of ger toshav ("resident alien," cf. Alan Unterman, Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend [London: Thames and Hudson, 1991], p. 148), even in their own land; as for example in occupied Palestine where newly arrived Khazars from Russia have an automatic right to housing and citizenship, while two million Palestinian refugees who either fled or were expelled by the Israelis, are forbidden the right of return.
Resident alien status has been clearly delineated in scholarly articles in leading Jewish publications. For example, Hebrew University Professor Mordechai Nisan, basing his exposition on Maimonides, stated that a non-Jew permitted to reside in a land ruled by Jewish law "must accept paying a tax and suffering the humiliation of servitude."
If Gentiles refuse to live a life of inferiority, then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of Jewish warfare against their very presence. [Cf. Mordechai Nisan, Kivunim (official publication of the World Zionist Organization), August, 1984, pp. 151-156].
At a symposium ("Is Autonomy for Resident Aliens Feasible?") organized by Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni, the Israeli Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren repeated the Talmudic teaching on resident aliens: that Judaism forbids "granting any national rights" to them. He ruled that such "Autonomy is tantamount to a denial of the Jewish religion." (Nadav Shraggai, Ha'aretz, Oct. 14, 1992).
American taxpayers' subsidy of the so-called "U.S. Holocaust Museum" in Washington, D.C., is yet another indicator of the gradual establishment of a Jewish state religion in the U.S. This "Holocaust museum" excludes any reference to holocausts perpetrated by Jewish Communists against Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe, from 1917 onward.
The focus of the museum is almost entirely on Jewish suffering. Holocausts perpetrated by Israelis against Arabs in Lebanon and Palestine since 1948 are nowhere to be found in the exhibits of the U.S. "Holocaust Museum," which functions more like a synagogue than a repository of objective historical information.

[eternal_spirit]

It is through the rapid emergence of this ostensibly secular but all-pervasive "Holocaustianity" -- whereby the religion of Judaism is gaining enormous power and influence as mankind's supreme ethos and the creed of God's Holy People.
Jewish Law Requires Christians be Executed
Israeli "Torah scholars" have ruled that:
"The Torah maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the World to Come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the Hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the so-called divinity of Jesus) are idolaters according to the Torah, punishable by death, and certainly will not enjoy the World to Come."
--Israeli Mechon-Mamre website (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm), June 26, 2000; 12 Hayyim Vital St., Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine. ("Mechon Mamre is a small group of Torah scholars in Israel...").
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Israeli "Mechon-Mamre Torah Scholars," as it appeared on their website at http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm on June 26, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Jewish Superstitions
It is not for nothing that the authoritative edition of the Talmud is known as the Babylonian Talmud. As Christians misled by their Judaizing preachers and popes are increasingly consulting Jewish rabbinical sources for a "pure" understanding of the Old Testament, they are unknowingly consulting the occult.
Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees and the patrimony of Babylon, from whence the Talmudic and Kabbalistic traditions of Judaism ultimately derive. Orthodox Judaism's other sacred book, the Kabbalah, is filled with astrological teachings, fortune-telling, gematria, necromancy and demonology.
The photograph on the cover of this publication's hard copy version shows an orthodox Jew performing a ritual to transfer his sins to the chicken he is waving over his head. This is pernicious superstition.
Furthermore, the Israeli "Star of David," is actually nothing of the kind, but rather an occult hexagram, a yantra of the androgyne, which became associated with the Khazars in 14th century Bohemia. (The misnamed "state of Israel" was founded in 1948 in an alliance between Jewish Communists and atheistic Zionists, with crucial U.N. recognition provided by Soviet Communist dictator Joseph Stalin).
Christians might find it eye-opening to visit a Hasidic Jewish area during "Purim" and observe the grotesque, Halloween-like cavorting. Though the Purim festival uses the Book of Esther as its supposed proof-text, in practice the Jewish celebration of Purim is little more than a Bacchanal (cf. "Superstitions said legacy from Jewish ancestors," Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 16, 1989, p. 58).
Orthodox rabbis place curses, cast spells and imagine they have powers greater than God, derived from their study of the Sefer Yezriah, (a book of Kabbalistic magic). Christians are trafficking in Babylonian paganism when they defer to the rabbis of Judaism.

[eternal_spirit]

Any wonder Icke and others are though of as mad by many. With the one sided media coverage.

JEWISH COLUMNISTS LIKELY TO CRITICIZE BOTH ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, BUT VIEW THEMSELVES TO BE CRITICALLY SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL, AND ULTIMATELY, WOULD SUPPORT ISRAELI SECURITY OVER PALESTINIAN RIGHTS:
Thomas Friedman, The New York Times,
Richard Cohen, The Washington Post and New York Daily News
Avishai Margolit, The New York Review of Books
David Remnick, The New Yorker
Eric Alterman, The Nation and MSNBC.com
The New York Times Editorial Board The Washington Post Editorial Board


http://www.radioislam.org/islam/engl...columnists.htm

JEWS CONFIRM BIG MEDIA IS JEWISH

By Rev. Ted Pike
28 Jun 06
Jewish control of the media is a taboo topic. In Congress, among evangelicals and mainline conservative talk radio, it is never mentioned. It is discussed only in snatches on far Right alternative talk radio.
This is astonishing, considering that almost every substantial library in America contains a number of books confirming such Jewish control. These include Neil Gabler’s An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood and Hoberman and Shandler’s Entertaining America: Jews, Movies, and Broadcasting.
These encyclopedic histories of Jewish control of the American media outdo any efforts by so-called “anti-Semites” to document an astonishing, frightening fact: The majority of media news and information to the American public comes from Jews.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/j...mbigmedia.html

[eternal_spirit]

The Six Jewish Companies Who Own 96% of the World's Media (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-6-jewish-companies-96-percent-of-all-media.html)
Current Event Lies and Spin (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-current-event-lies.html)
Your TV News Networks (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-tvnetworks.html#anchor63475)
Your Local Newspaper (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-newspapers.html)
National Public Radio NPR (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/December_2005/0512027.html)
Your Favorite News Magazines (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-publishers.html)
Your Favorite Publishing Houses (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-publishers.html)
Jewish Film Studio Companies (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-movies.html)
Jewish TV Studio Companies (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-movies.html)
General Overview (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.html#anchor13742)
Reports by Many Authors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-reports.html)
Jews Who Run Hollywood (http://www.eonline.com/Hot/Specials/Jews/)
Actors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Actresses (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Producers (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Directors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Who Rules America? (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=9910)
NEWS Monopoly (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly.html)

[eternal_spirit]

Jews Who Control UK Broadcasting (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor5253)
Jews Who Control UK Entertainment (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor11119)
Jews In Control of UK Advertising (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor17037)
Jews Who Control What UK Reads (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor40333)
Jews Who Control Hollywood (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor45030)
Jews Who Make Deals With UK Royalty (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-british-royalty.htm)

[mdzs]

Fine research eternal_spirit
have you been over @ conspiracy central atall or before ?
if not then do drop by man, thanks

ThE MaDiZmS.

[stelios]

Tail wags the dog?

What do the following characters have in common?

Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Dov Zakheim
Michael Chertoff
Marc Grossman
Philip Zelikow
Ari Fleischer
Elliot Abrams
Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Henry Kissinger

They are all Israeli nationals
Talk about the servant giving birth to it's own master.

Surely they should be forced to become American citizens BEFORE they are allowed to run the government?

[barnowl]

Thanks Eternal.

Good work, man.

:)

[barnowl]

Tail wags the dog?

What do the following characters have in common?

Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
Douglas Feith
Dov Zakheim
Michael Chertoff
Marc Grossman
Philip Zelikow
Ari Fleischer
Elliot Abrams
Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Henry Kissinger

They are all Israeli nationals
Talk about the servant giving birth to it's own master.

Surely they should be forced to become American citizens BEFORE they are allowed to run the government?


They are both 'American' citizens And Israeli citizens. They've already covered that ground.

However, it's disingenuous to call them 'dual' citizens because that is not the case. They have only only one nation they care about. America is not in that category.

[barnowl]

albie.

you're a mondo twit.

[awakensong]

John Kaminsky sent me this - he just wrote it today:


FWD: The Concentration Camp Fence

Best wishes,
John K.


The concentration camp fence

You must climb over it if you hope to survive

"Are our beliefs based on free thought, or are they based on what others wish us to believe?"
— Cathy O'Brien

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net

She was beautiful, totally naked, with a dreamy Irish face, long curly brown hair, taut breasts, slender and athletic ... as female German guards tossed her lifeless body into a football field-sized, in-ground dumpster among hundreds of other unclothed corpses under the watchful eyes of three American generals: Eisenhower, Bradley, and Patton.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3464847706951809005 (http://<a href=)
courtesy of http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/ (http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/)

The enemy is manufactured by media hysteria — by those who control our thoughts — and the carnage for profit follows along with the broken dreams of us lemmings. In fact, Eisenhower’s death camps in France killed many more than Hitler’s concentration camps ever did. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136 (http://<a href=) Can you possibly understand that in all wars of the last two hundred years that both sides in each social upheaval have been financed by the same source?

Depleted uranium expert Leuren Moret does, and articulates the current and actual state of our world ... http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=28469&sectionid=3510302 (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=28469&sectionid=3510302) - The leadership in the US, the Congress, the White House, and the Pentagon have been taken over by a shadow government - that shadow from Wall Street and the city of London. The US is bankrupt and is being carved up like a turkey by the globalists. Europe is too… the EU is just another region being dragged into slavery… like the US-Canada-Mexico, which is now undergoing unification. I cannot believe this global nightmare being rolled out.

Our soldiers are just being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan and given a death sentence as soon as they arrive. Our national guard, to protect our states from being overtaken by our own military, is being destroyed to make this global takeover easier. Black youth in the ghettoes are refusing to join the military. They are saying “it's more dangerous in Iraq now than in the ghetto… We are staying home.”Major Doug Rokke told me that gang members and juvenile delinquents coming back from their army service in Iraq are taking military trucks from bases here like at Fort Lewis, and going out into towns around the military bases and robbing banks. Then they go back into the ghettos and kill the police… That's what they learned in Iraq.

Sometime around 1770, the man whose heirs would come to control the entire world hired a homicidal thug named Napoleon to plunder all of Europe and kill as many as possible. “Liberty, Equality and Fraternity” turned out to be just a profit strategy, like “weapons of mass destruction.” The Rothschilds have funded both sides of all the wars since, right up and through Saddam Hussein and the mass murder of two million Iraqi souls.In any time and place, Jewish media always pin the blame on someone else — the Americans and the British, this time; Germany and Japan a half century ago. But the puppetmaster, down through history, is always the same: By whatever current corporate name you wish to call it, the Rothschild banking dynasty controls a staggering proportion of the wealth of the planet, as well as all the devices that measure and control just about everything we need to stay alive, most especially money. Rothschild, the man whose personal emblem serves as the flag of modern-day Israel. With control of money comes control of media, and that information control extends back in time as far as you want to go. Check out the simultaneous worldwide revolutions of 1848-50 some time — Jewish sayanim deployed across the globe and agitating, capturing control of the media, and blasting its message into the minds of the semiconscious gentiles. The most famous names of political history that have been foisted upon us over time — Caligula, Bismarck, Churchill (and FDR and Hillary) — were all members of this certain tribe — yes, the one that controls every aspect of your existence. But you still don’t get it, do you? Your conditioning is simply too thorough. Give the Jews credit for the total eradication of your original personality and its conversion into a totally manipulated, prepackaged and predictable consumer. Given the education you have received, there is simply no getting through to most of you. Your beliefs have locked you into slave status, and your liberation simply is not possible, because you are unable to see.

Take a look, if you dare:

• When the Mongol conqueror Kublai Khan ended China’s age of enlightenment, he brought in members of his own tribe to rule, much like what has happened in the United States today, with Jewish legislators and commentators totally shaping the information imbued on the herd. The Mongol empire killed half the population of Asia during the early Middle Ages, and now the USA, controlled by the same mindlords, seeks to surpass that total. The Mongols and the Jews are one and the same.

• When Columbus returned from his New World, Queen Isabella immediately put him in jail for the brutal atrocities he inflicted on the natives he murdered or enslaved. Cristobal Colon might have been Jewish, but his backers certainly were, and this satanic infection that savages societies was present from the very first moment of the European colonization of the Western Hemisphere.

• When Napoleon was falling into the trap set by his own benefactors, the Bank of England (and hence all the money in the world) was falling into the hands of one Nathan Rothschild, the very man who made the plan, and whose heirs now employ people like David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger.

• All the great civilizations were destroyed by decadence from within. Nero and Caligula were Jews and did their best to destroy Rome. Joseph brought plagues to Egypt. Jewish financiers bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution. Now we have homosexual prostitutes in the White House press corps and in TV newsrooms.

Which brings us back to the Holocaust. Have you visited the local Holocaust Museum in your town? That’s where you acquire the programming that what really happened doesn’t really matter, but what they say happened is what you must believe if you hope to coexist with the monster that runs the world. This means accepting poisons in your vaccinations with a smile, and sending your children to be poisoned and/or murdered in a faraway country for reasons that you know in your heart are a pack of lies. So what is really happening? This wall of thought is a concentration camp fence around our minds, allowing us to think only what we are permitted to think by social decorum, political correctness and religious precept.

A wall to keep us inside the prison that has been devised for us. In our immediate future, there is a fence we all must climb. It is a barrier we must surpass, a blindness we must repair, a wall we must demolish — if we are to live a peaceful and happy future as free people. The crass corporate carnage that is tearing the world apart is the direct result of us not being able to see over the top of this fence, this barrier, to see what it really is, and more importantly, to see what’s on the other side.This is the hurdle we all face — realizing that in all situations and at all times, Jews simply do not and cannot tell the truth. History shows clearly that they never have, and common sense makes it obvious to us that they never will.

Jews feign shock at this, and cry “Anti-Semite.” And pass laws against such assertions, after they have taken control of the government in the host country they are plundering. Yet the fact remains, provable by suppressed but authentic facts. Jews cannot tell the truth, under any circumstances. Why? you ask. Because their entire history, as well as their masked racial objective, is a gigantic lie. Jews are The Chosen, all right, chosen to show us what insanity that a creed that advocates crimes against strangers can do to an otherwise healthy planet. Those of you who still consider yourself immersed in this thing called culture — which is really a Jewish mind control labyrinth — may be horrified by such a remark. If so, be honest with yourself and examine the merits of the argument empirically and not ideologically, paying particular attention to the biases toward compassion and forgiveness for the poor Jews you have received throughout your educational process and continue to receive daily from Jewish mass media. Understand that the proclamations of “anti-Semitism” are merely empty ruses to scare you into silence as you attempt to testify against the crimes that are being committed against you. Only a Jew, or someone who works for a Jew, would even use the term, and always for the ultimate purpose of concealing a criminal fraud, like the Holocaust of WW II, a cynical lie that has made billions for Jews in Jewish-controlled courts around the world. Jews cannot tell the truth, in any circumstances. None of them. They have to lie about their own background in order to subsist in the society they have chosen to sabotage, to achieve wealth by any means and at any cost.And they choose to pretend to be helping you as they rob you. This practice is indelibly etched across time, across the history of humanity, yet much of this sad tale has been surreptitiously suppressed since the tribe finally learned to take control of media, and of all the world’s learning centers. Try Harvard and Yale, two prominent Jewish universities. Or Google and Wikipedia, two Jewish entities in control of the Internet. Or all the TV networks, and all American newspapers (with but a few questionable exceptions). Wise commentators across history have told us the real story over and over.

Voltaire: “They are all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race."
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/molochbk.htm (http://<a href=) We are approaching that point.

“History proves, and the Jewish Encyclopedia confirms it, that the so-called “German, Russian, Polish and Eastern” Jews are Mongols, who accepted the Jewish Talmud, which is not the creed given to Moses. The Talmud seems more like the by-laws of a gang of murderers than a religion, yet is is strictly followed by the so-called “Jews.”
— Maj. Gen. Count Cherep-Spiridovich, 1925

This truth — Jews can't tell the truth — severely complicates the world. It means we can't trust our doctors. They prescribe medicines full of poison. It means we can't trust our teachers, because they have been trained and schooled by instruments that twist history, and conceal the real story. It means you can't trust any Jewish owned businesses (including the Catholic church), because you won't be treated honestly.It means that all the education we have imbibed throughout our lives that has passed through Jewish hands — and that includes just about everything: TV, movies, music, and schools; even what our parents told us — is compromised and untrustworthy. How's that for cultural dislocation? Every piece of information you have ingested has been tampered with, altered, framed to suit a particular purpose. And that purpose is your enslavement.

The octopus
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
— Mario Savio

From the late William Pierce, quoting the Roman geographer Strabo (c. 100 BC) ...

"The Jews have penetrated every country, so that it is difficult to find any place in the world where their tribe has not entered and become dominant." Note those words: "There is no place where they have not become dominant."

Pierce added, “During the Middle Ages they were kicked en masse out of every country in Europe, repeatedly. They pretend today that this supposed "persecution" was the result of religious bigotry on the part of their hosts, but in fact it was simply self-defense on the part of their hosts, the same sort of reaction to their presence that the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Romans and everyone else in pre-Christian times had had. And it was this barrier of hatred between the Jews and the rest of the world which made it possible for them to maintain their identity and their sense of racial self-consciousness.”
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/media.htm (http://<a href=)

In 1884, Pope Leo XIII had it pegged:"It first attracts and then retains its associates by the bait of worldly advantage which it secures for them. It bends governments to its will, sometimes by promises, other times by threats. It has found its way into every class of society and forms an invisible and irresponsible power, an independent government as it were within the body corporate of the lawful state. Wherefore we see that men are publicly tempted by the many allurements of pleasure, and that there are journals or pamphlets without moderation or shame, that stage plays are remarkable in license, that designs for works of art are shamelessly sought in the laws of so-called realism-and that all the blandishments of pleasure are diligently sought out by which virtue may be lulled to sleep. There have been in these secret societies some who have proposed artfully and of set purpose, that the multitude should be satisfied with a boundless license of vice, as when this had been done it could come more easily under their power and authority."

Yes, there are some Jews who will admit to the real story:Given that the historic homeland of modern Jews are the grasslands of Mongolia and not the sunny hills of Palestine, any claim for a historic right of residency, leave alone nationhood in Palestine, makes no sense at all. By the same logic, all third world Catholics who were converted by an Italian missionary, could claim a right to take over possession of Rome and kick out the Italians.
— Andrew Winkler

And other Germans who know all too well the real story of World War II:

Did you know that under Eisenhower's governorship 13.2 million Germans were systematically starved to death…AFTER THE 1945 SURRENDER? That's still a gaping account yet to be settled. That's just one of the many "secret" reasons why revisionists are so brutally suppressed. Hans K., British Columbia And still others who have a complete picture of what has happened to the world since time immemorial:The first step in the reorganization of the state, nevertheless, must involve the Jews, for without a solution to the Jewish problem, there is no hope.
— Stojgniev O’Donnell

Either we rise up and smite the beast, or it smites us. The lesson of the Holocaust is that Jews will murder their own for profit. Just imagine what they have planned for us.
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John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida who has monitored world news most of his life, but particularly since 9/11/2001, when the rules of the world completely changed. We are not who we once we were, and soon will be far less.

[foreverspirit]

Julieray:

Yes they have interbreeded but always amongst their own selves. The appearance of so many groups, is just that, appearance. Such great influence over language, remember, they influence the history books and history on the internet. With enough objective, rational thinking though, the root that they try to hide can still clearly be seen as GERMAN.

Thanks for the links. I will definitely check em out. Do share whatever more you come across on this angle and thanks so very much for your love.


Oh Oh, Ive found another nifty little doo dah re: German Connection.



The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930`s, Hitler and the German Nazi`s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. ...

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual`s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children`s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. ...
"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years` research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine--any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

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Quoting Einstein`s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952:

"It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the 'next' on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless 'intellectual' parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic--from within if they can, according to their plan--for their own possession.

"The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. ..

"As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don`t do it.

"Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble.

The body refuses to assimilate it. "Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting `dental health,` fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What`s behind it?

"That any so-called "doctors" would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity. "No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin`s Last Will and Hitler`s Mein Kampf:

> "America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within." ...

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats. ...

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity--treason!"

Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.




Holy freakoli, those freakin Jews LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL oh oh oh LOLLLLLLL!:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Think it means nothing that China has set up a MINING OFFICE in South Australia, with plans to OPEN OUR 5th URANIUM Mine?

Think it means nothing that ALL EUROPEAN ROYAL descend from HUN ROYALS?


Versa Susa thanks for clearing up two issues I felt, however, could not get concrete evidence for. Namely:

"ALL EUROPEAN ROYAL DESCEND FROM HUN (GERMAN) ROYALS". Its something my inner intuation kept nagging at, no matter how much certain entities on this thread, tried to thwart me: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1527&page=7.

I googled: "Origins of the Germans" and couldn't find a dang thing substantial. Thanks to you, I returned and googled: Huns are Germans and weee heeewww baby!! I link up with the following: http://www.timelessmyths.com/norse/german.html

"In the Nibelungenlied and other German epics, Etzel was portrayed as a noble and generous king, unlike his Norse and historical counterparts. This was because the German poets see Etzel and the Huns as German people, not the barbarians from steppe of Central Asia." (Although, I, Foreverspirit, do not agree with the "not barbarians" part:p).

Wow, just great to be able to close the door on this mystery. Now I understand why DI refers to them as Reptilian. Probably for him wouldnt be safe to be so blatant. Lizards and Jews. Holy Freakoli:rolleyes: It's a good thing though, for the Truth Lover to seek it out. And what a find its been!!

Feels good to follow your instincts when things just don't make feel right, no matter if a million people think otherwise! The mind is a beautiful thing when you use it!!

At the same time I feel so nauseated seeing so much poverty consciousness on this forum. If people think the divine is about doing without, then they truly are still under the control of the Illuminati/Evil/Whatever! Thereby giving away their power to create "Paradise" here on this exquisite planet. Not to mention this may be a Government site, people giving away their minds/souls to so called spirits and guides, drugs. trolls, etc.,. As DI would say, absolutely "bizarre":eek:

Ive known about all this before DI, but I loved his "Matrx" talk at brixton and followed up to his forum. Glad I did. Deeply needed to know who "Illuminati" truly is. As far as I got was the Italians. Just check the italian name. Then I got to Rome. Then I read the Jew bashing thread. Then when I saw that word "ASHKENAZI" and really saw it. I saw the word Nazi. Yeeee Haaawwww Billy Bob!!! The search began and again, what a ""Fantastic Voyage" it's been.

TURN IT UP, REALLY REALLY LOUD!!! "On The Beat" by the BB and Q Band!!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=fV0KSPqTs3w

I now seriously relize how I too, am squandering my creative powers by allowing their words and ideas into my consciousness. Time to get some "More Bounce" http://youtube.com/watch?v=_sNQxzabWpg and do the 100th monkey thing for good this time.

Really and truly what else can one do. This is a "Cosmic" story that has been going on for how long? Some force in this universe has given them the power and ability to do what they have been doing. The drama just has to play out. Certain of us, for whatever beautiful reason, have been fortunate enough, to be called upon to create goodness and wholeness in this tediously, boring and debauched play.

DNA is programmed by words and language. Like DI said in his talk at Brixton. They control us by what goes in through our eyes and ears!! What the frick am I still doing here:eek::):):cool:

[nickatnoon61]

Albie, how much do internet and forum spooks get paid these days? Must be livin' the good life!

So you are saying that Myron Fagan, Arthur Koestler, and Benjamin Friedman are wrong in their approximations of jewish populations?

Wikipedia: Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world's Jewish population, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for (at their highest) 92% of the world's Jews in 1931 and today make up approximately 80% of Jews worldwide.[2]
edro,read albie's prior posts, and then decide if he/she is worth your time and energy.

[nickatnoon61]

In so many ways, Icke's message is the equivalent of the Hippie movement of the 60s, with a bit of a different angle and focus.

Their motto was "Tune in, turn on, drop out".

Icke's is: "Awaken, laugh at the matrix, log off the matrix".

Both used drugs to have experiences. Both said love is the answer. Both had anger at the established order of things.

Seems so similar, doesn't it? Yet, nothing changes.
These quotes from the 60s were orchestrated by guys like Jerry Ruben(Jew), Abbie Hoffman (Jew)and others. Drugswere introduced to the youth, by Timothy O'leary(Goy) to quell the "age of aquarius" and the love movement! Yes, it is not a TOTAL Zionist/Jewish conspiracy, but they sure seem to play a huge role in it!

[nickatnoon61]

German Government Publication Promotes Incestuous Pedophilia
By John-Henry Westen – LifeStyleNews.com July 30, 2007

Booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for Family Affairs encourage parents to sexually massage their children as young as 1 to 3 years of age. Two 40-page booklets entitled "Love, Body and Playing Doctor" by the German Federal Health Education Center (Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung - BZgA) are aimed at parents - the first addressing children from 1-3 and the other children from 4-6 years of age.

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

Canadian author and public speaker Michael O'Brien who has written and spoken extensively about the crisis of culture in the West spoke to LifeSiteNews.com about the shocking and extremely disturbing phenomenon. It is, he said, "State-encouraged incest, which in most civilized societies is a crime." The development is, he suggests, a natural outcome of the rejection of the Judeo-Christian moral order.

"The imposed social revolution that has swept the western world is moving to a new stage as it works out the logical consequences of its view of man's value," said O'Brien. "It is merely obeying its strictly materialist philosophy of man. If man is no more than a creature created for pleasure or power. If he is no more than a cell in the social organism, then no moral standards, no psychological truths, no spiritual truths can refute the 'will to power' and the 'will to pleasure'."

The pamphlet advises parents to permit young children "unlimited masturbation" except where physical injury becomes apparent. It advises: "Children should learn that there is no such thing as shameful parts of the body. The body is a home, which you should be proud of." For ages 4-6, the booklet recommends teaching children the movements of copulation.

Another product of the BZgA is a song book aimed at children of four and slightly older which includes several songs espousing masturbation. The song-book entitled "Nose, belly and bum" includes one song with the following lyrics: "When I touch my body, I discover what I have. I have a vagina, because I am a girl. Vagina is not only for peeing. When I touch it, I feel a pleasant tingle."

"The wiser and deeper position of most civilizations recognized that children need a period of innocence," commented O'Brien. "Now the state, the German state, is encouraging destruction of this state of innocence," he added. "This is consistent with the materialist philosophy that sees all moral norms and all truths about human nature as repressive. Pleasure and their distorted concept of freedom are their only guiding principles."

According to the Polish daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita, the BZgA booklet is an obligatory read in nine German regions. It is used for training nursery, kindergarten and elementary school teachers. Ironically it is recommended by many organizations officially fighting pedophilia, such as the German Kunderschutzbund. BZgA sends out millions of copies of the booklet every year. (NOT IRONIC AT ALL!!!!)

"A society such as Germany's which is already in steep decline, indeed into degeneration, will only inherit the whirlwind of violence and further levels of degradation of their own people," warned O'Brien.

"It has happened before in Germany. It has happened in other nations. Different causes but the same dynamic, the rejection of the moral order of the created universe results in radical evil. The German state intervention in family life is a new level of auto-destruction," said O'Brien.

Rzeczpospolita reports that the Eckhardt Scheffer of BZgA claimed that before releasing the manual the organization consulted parents, educators and child psychologists. 93% of whom gave a positive evaluation.

Even for a Western nation, Germany's billboards and television ads push the limits of public pornography. Last year LifeSiteNews.com reported that a very popular teen magazine in Germany publishes nude photos of teens in sexual positions which would be in almost any other nation illegal child pornography. With a licentiousness as the new morality of the secular materialist establishment and homeschool a forbidden practice, parents in Germany may well wonder what will transpire in public education.

"Will those children who are not liberated by their parents have special classes in their schools where they're introduced to these practices," asked O'Brien rhetorically. "If the state intervenes in this way, what won't it intervene in?"

O'Brien concluded his comments quoting G.K. Chesterton: "When men cease to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing anything." :eek::eek::cool:
The same Zionists/Jews, and their Shabboz Goyim, that control the US govt. control the German Govt.! They are the ones who propagate this filth! Not the German citizens!

[nickatnoon61]

John Kaminsky sent me this - he just wrote it today:


FWD: The Concentration Camp Fence

Best wishes,
John K.


The concentration camp fence

You must climb over it if you hope to survive

"Are our beliefs based on free thought, or are they based on what others wish us to believe?"
— Cathy O'Brien

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net

She was beautiful, totally naked, with a dreamy Irish face, long curly brown hair, taut breasts, slender and athletic ... as female German guards tossed her lifeless body into a football field-sized, in-ground dumpster among hundreds of other unclothed corpses under the watchful eyes of three American generals: Eisenhower, Bradley, and Patton.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3464847706951809005 (http://<a href=)
courtesy of http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/ (http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/)

The enemy is manufactured by media hysteria — by those who control our thoughts — and the carnage for profit follows along with the broken dreams of us lemmings. In fact, Eisenhower’s death camps in France killed many more than Hitler’s concentration camps ever did. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=136 (http://<a href=) Can you possibly understand that in all wars of the last two hundred years that both sides in each social upheaval have been financed by the same source?

Depleted uranium expert Leuren Moret does, and articulates the current and actual state of our world ... http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=28469&sectionid=3510302 (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=28469&sectionid=3510302) - The leadership in the US, the Congress, the White House, and the Pentagon have been taken over by a shadow government - that shadow from Wall Street and the city of London. The US is bankrupt and is being carved up like a turkey by the globalists. Europe is too… the EU is just another region being dragged into slavery… like the US-Canada-Mexico, which is now undergoing unification. I cannot believe this global nightmare being rolled out.

Our soldiers are just being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan and given a death sentence as soon as they arrive. Our national guard, to protect our states from being overtaken by our own military, is being destroyed to make this global takeover easier. Black youth in the ghettoes are refusing to join the military. They are saying “it's more dangerous in Iraq now than in the ghetto… We are staying home.”Major Doug Rokke told me that gang members and juvenile delinquents coming back from their army service in Iraq are taking military trucks from bases here like at Fort Lewis, and going out into towns around the military bases and robbing banks. Then they go back into the ghettos and kill the police… That's what they learned in Iraq.

Sometime around 1770, the man whose heirs would come to control the entire world hired a homicidal thug named Napoleon to plunder all of Europe and kill as many as possible. “Liberty, Equality and Fraternity” turned out to be just a profit strategy, like “weapons of mass destruction.” The Rothschilds have funded both sides of all the wars since, right up and through Saddam Hussein and the mass murder of two million Iraqi souls.In any time and place, Jewish media always pin the blame on someone else — the Americans and the British, this time; Germany and Japan a half century ago. But the puppetmaster, down through history, is always the same: By whatever current corporate name you wish to call it, the Rothschild banking dynasty controls a staggering proportion of the wealth of the planet, as well as all the devices that measure and control just about everything we need to stay alive, most especially money. Rothschild, the man whose personal emblem serves as the flag of modern-day Israel. With control of money comes control of media, and that information control extends back in time as far as you want to go. Check out the simultaneous worldwide revolutions of 1848-50 some time — Jewish sayanim deployed across the globe and agitating, capturing control of the media, and blasting its message into the minds of the semiconscious gentiles. The most famous names of political history that have been foisted upon us over time — Caligula, Bismarck, Churchill (and FDR and Hillary) — were all members of this certain tribe — yes, the one that controls every aspect of your existence. But you still don’t get it, do you? Your conditioning is simply too thorough. Give the Jews credit for the total eradication of your original personality and its conversion into a totally manipulated, prepackaged and predictable consumer. Given the education you have received, there is simply no getting through to most of you. Your beliefs have locked you into slave status, and your liberation simply is not possible, because you are unable to see.

Take a look, if you dare:

• When the Mongol conqueror Kublai Khan ended China’s age of enlightenment, he brought in members of his own tribe to rule, much like what has happened in the United States today, with Jewish legislators and commentators totally shaping the information imbued on the herd. The Mongol empire killed half the population of Asia during the early Middle Ages, and now the USA, controlled by the same mindlords, seeks to surpass that total. The Mongols and the Jews are one and the same.

• When Columbus returned from his New World, Queen Isabella immediately put him in jail for the brutal atrocities he inflicted on the natives he murdered or enslaved. Cristobal Colon might have been Jewish, but his backers certainly were, and this satanic infection that savages societies was present from the very first moment of the European colonization of the Western Hemisphere.

• When Napoleon was falling into the trap set by his own benefactors, the Bank of England (and hence all the money in the world) was falling into the hands of one Nathan Rothschild, the very man who made the plan, and whose heirs now employ people like David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger.

• All the great civilizations were destroyed by decadence from within. Nero and Caligula were Jews and did their best to destroy Rome. Joseph brought plagues to Egypt. Jewish financiers bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution. Now we have homosexual prostitutes in the White House press corps and in TV newsrooms.

Which brings us back to the Holocaust. Have you visited the local Holocaust Museum in your town? That’s where you acquire the programming that what really happened doesn’t really matter, but what they say happened is what you must believe if you hope to coexist with the monster that runs the world. This means accepting poisons in your vaccinations with a smile, and sending your children to be poisoned and/or murdered in a faraway country for reasons that you know in your heart are a pack of lies. So what is really happening? This wall of thought is a concentration camp fence around our minds, allowing us to think only what we are permitted to think by social decorum, political correctness and religious precept.

A wall to keep us inside the prison that has been devised for us. In our immediate future, there is a fence we all must climb. It is a barrier we must surpass, a blindness we must repair, a wall we must demolish — if we are to live a peaceful and happy future as free people. The crass corporate carnage that is tearing the world apart is the direct result of us not being able to see over the top of this fence, this barrier, to see what it really is, and more importantly, to see what’s on the other side.This is the hurdle we all face — realizing that in all situations and at all times, Jews simply do not and cannot tell the truth. History shows clearly that they never have, and common sense makes it obvious to us that they never will.

Jews feign shock at this, and cry “Anti-Semite.” And pass laws against such assertions, after they have taken control of the government in the host country they are plundering. Yet the fact remains, provable by suppressed but authentic facts. Jews cannot tell the truth, under any circumstances. Why? you ask. Because their entire history, as well as their masked racial objective, is a gigantic lie. Jews are The Chosen, all right, chosen to show us what insanity that a creed that advocates crimes against strangers can do to an otherwise healthy planet. Those of you who still consider yourself immersed in this thing called culture — which is really a Jewish mind control labyrinth — may be horrified by such a remark. If so, be honest with yourself and examine the merits of the argument empirically and not ideologically, paying particular attention to the biases toward compassion and forgiveness for the poor Jews you have received throughout your educational process and continue to receive daily from Jewish mass media. Understand that the proclamations of “anti-Semitism” are merely empty ruses to scare you into silence as you attempt to testify against the crimes that are being committed against you. Only a Jew, or someone who works for a Jew, would even use the term, and always for the ultimate purpose of concealing a criminal fraud, like the Holocaust of WW II, a cynical lie that has made billions for Jews in Jewish-controlled courts around the world. Jews cannot tell the truth, in any circumstances. None of them. They have to lie about their own background in order to subsist in the society they have chosen to sabotage, to achieve wealth by any means and at any cost.And they choose to pretend to be helping you as they rob you. This practice is indelibly etched across time, across the history of humanity, yet much of this sad tale has been surreptitiously suppressed since the tribe finally learned to take control of media, and of all the world’s learning centers. Try Harvard and Yale, two prominent Jewish universities. Or Google and Wikipedia, two Jewish entities in control of the Internet. Or all the TV networks, and all American newspapers (with but a few questionable exceptions). Wise commentators across history have told us the real story over and over.

Voltaire: “They are all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race."
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/molochbk.htm (http://<a href=) We are approaching that point.

“History proves, and the Jewish Encyclopedia confirms it, that the so-called “German, Russian, Polish and Eastern” Jews are Mongols, who accepted the Jewish Talmud, which is not the creed given to Moses. The Talmud seems more like the by-laws of a gang of murderers than a religion, yet is is strictly followed by the so-called “Jews.”
— Maj. Gen. Count Cherep-Spiridovich, 1925

This truth — Jews can't tell the truth — severely complicates the world. It means we can't trust our doctors. They prescribe medicines full of poison. It means we can't trust our teachers, because they have been trained and schooled by instruments that twist history, and conceal the real story. It means you can't trust any Jewish owned businesses (including the Catholic church), because you won't be treated honestly.It means that all the education we have imbibed throughout our lives that has passed through Jewish hands — and that includes just about everything: TV, movies, music, and schools; even what our parents told us — is compromised and untrustworthy. How's that for cultural dislocation? Every piece of information you have ingested has been tampered with, altered, framed to suit a particular purpose. And that purpose is your enslavement.

The octopus
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
— Mario Savio

From the late William Pierce, quoting the Roman geographer Strabo (c. 100 BC) ...

"The Jews have penetrated every country, so that it is difficult to find any place in the world where their tribe has not entered and become dominant." Note those words: "There is no place where they have not become dominant."

Pierce added, “During the Middle Ages they were kicked en masse out of every country in Europe, repeatedly. They pretend today that this supposed "persecution" was the result of religious bigotry on the part of their hosts, but in fact it was simply self-defense on the part of their hosts, the same sort of reaction to their presence that the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Romans and everyone else in pre-Christian times had had. And it was this barrier of hatred between the Jews and the rest of the world which made it possible for them to maintain their identity and their sense of racial self-consciousness.”
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/media.htm (http://<a href=)

In 1884, Pope Leo XIII had it pegged:"It first attracts and then retains its associates by the bait of worldly advantage which it secures for them. It bends governments to its will, sometimes by promises, other times by threats. It has found its way into every class of society and forms an invisible and irresponsible power, an independent government as it were within the body corporate of the lawful state. Wherefore we see that men are publicly tempted by the many allurements of pleasure, and that there are journals or pamphlets without moderation or shame, that stage plays are remarkable in license, that designs for works of art are shamelessly sought in the laws of so-called realism-and that all the blandishments of pleasure are diligently sought out by which virtue may be lulled to sleep. There have been in these secret societies some who have proposed artfully and of set purpose, that the multitude should be satisfied with a boundless license of vice, as when this had been done it could come more easily under their power and authority."

Yes, there are some Jews who will admit to the real story:Given that the historic homeland of modern Jews are the grasslands of Mongolia and not the sunny hills of Palestine, any claim for a historic right of residency, leave alone nationhood in Palestine, makes no sense at all. By the same logic, all third world Catholics who were converted by an Italian missionary, could claim a right to take over possession of Rome and kick out the Italians.
— Andrew Winkler

And other Germans who know all too well the real story of World War II:

Did you know that under Eisenhower's governorship 13.2 million Germans were systematically starved to death…AFTER THE 1945 SURRENDER? That's still a gaping account yet to be settled. That's just one of the many "secret" reasons why revisionists are so brutally suppressed. Hans K., British Columbia And still others who have a complete picture of what has happened to the world since time immemorial:The first step in the reorganization of the state, nevertheless, must involve the Jews, for without a solution to the Jewish problem, there is no hope.
— Stojgniev O’Donnell

Either we rise up and smite the beast, or it smites us. The lesson of the Holocaust is that Jews will murder their own for profit. Just imagine what they have planned for us.
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John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida who has monitored world news most of his life, but particularly since 9/11/2001, when the rules of the world completely changed. We are not who we once we were, and soon will be far less.
Thanx AWS, the major players/leaders in WWII were all Jews or part Jews. Eisenhower, Roosevelt,Stalin,Churchhill,Hitler. The odds of this is actually staggering! Do the research and you will be shocked, by how many you think are goy,but are are actualluy Jewish!

[peachped]

Hitler was Jewish? :eek:

[eternal_spirit]

Thanx AWS, the major players/leaders in WWII were all Jews or part Jews. Eisenhower, Roosevelt,Stalin,Churchhill,Hitler. The odds of this is actually staggering! Do the research and you will be shocked, by how many you think are goy,but are are actualluy Jewish!

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Have a look at this link for more possible evidence.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Bush_Mossad11.htm

[foreverspirit]

The same Zionists/Jews, and their Shabboz Goyim, that control the US govt. control the German Govt.! They are the ones who propagate this filth! Not the German citizens!


Yeah right!! The FACTS speak for themselves. "Truth pressed down to the earth, will ALWAYS rise up" Go ahead and continue to delude yourself!!!:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=cpotato2004

For anyone who's interested in Zionism these videos are worth watching.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm

Information overload, this will blow your mind.

[eternal_spirit]

Jewish Leaders, Conspirators, Power Lords... (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-folder.html)
Statement After Statement of Zionism's Genocidal Plans by the Great Leaders of the Zionist Conspiracy, (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-worldconspiracies-zionism-quotes-genocide-of-palestine.html) Theodore Hertzl, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-hertzl.html) Bela Kun, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-mindcontrol-communism.html#anchor32019) Karl Liebknecht, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-mindcontrol-communism.html#anchor37032) Leo Frank, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-frank.html) Moshe Dayan, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-dayan.html) David Ben-Gurion, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-ben-gurion.html) Menachem Begin, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-begin.html) Yitzak Rabin, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-rabin.html) Benjamin Netanyahu, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-netanyahu.html)Meir Kahane, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-kahane.html) Lazar Kaganovich--Christian Killer, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-kaganovich.html) Rosa Luxembourg, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-luxemberg.html) Mordechai Vanunu, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-criminalsandspies-vanunu.html) Kurt Eisner, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-mindcontrol-communism.html#anchor24769) Genrik Yagoda--Christian Killer, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-yagoda.html) NEW Monsanto Chemical Family, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-monsanto.html) Arial Sharon, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-sharon.html) Golda Meier, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-meir.html) Benjamin Zev Herzl, (http://www.funtour.co.il/Herzl.html) Dwight David Eisenhower, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-eisenhower.html) Samuel Byck Domestic Jewish Terrorist, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Byck) Winston Churchill, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-churchill.html) Franklin Delano Roosevelt, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-roosevelt.html) Lubbe Burned the Reichstag, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-lubbe.html) The Rothschild Internationalist-Zionist-Banking-One World Order Family, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-rothschild.html) Joseph Stalin, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-stalin.html) Arnold Rothstein (The Jewish Mafia Owner of Chicago Black Socks Scandal Team), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-rothstein-arnold-chicago-black-sox-socks.htm) Leon Trotsky -- Lev Davidovich Bronstein, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-trotsky.htm) Primakov (Pinchas Finkelstein), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-ussr-pm-yevgeny-primakov.html) Vladimir Lenin, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-lenin.html) Rockefeller Zionist-Soviet Liberal Conspiracies, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-rockefeller.html) Joseph Pulitzer, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-pulitzer.html) Sam Newhouse, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-newhouse.html) Larry Silverstein (http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/1494/58/) Norman G. Finkelstein, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-finkelstein.html) Zionist World War Two Criminal, Solomon Morel, Murdered 1,500 & Israel Still Protects Him (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-atrocities-solomon-morel.html) | Dr. Phillip Zack of 911 Anthrax Attack Fame, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-hatehoaxes-911-anthrax-terrorist-attack.html) Karl Jacob Weiss, Huey Long's Jewish Assassin, (http://judicial-inc.biz/H.uey_long.htm) Bertelsmann AG World Publishing Family, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-bertelsmann.html) Bella Abzug, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-organizations-NOW.html) Walter Duranty (alias Walter Durante), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-walter-durante-walter-duranty.html) Gloria Steinem, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-organizations-NOW.html) Betty Friedan, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-organizations-NOW.html) Gloria Allred, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-organizations-NOW.html) Sulzberger Family (New York Times Owners), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-sulzberger.html) Dr. Henry Kissinger, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-kissinger-henry.html) Albert Einstein, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-einstein.html) Bernard Baruch, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-baruch.html) Benjamin Freedman, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-freedman.html) Jewish Mafia-Jewish Underworld, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-mafia.html) Attorneys, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-attorneys.html) Executives, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-executives.html) Famous Jews List, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-famousjewslist.html) Sigmund Freud, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-mindcontrol-freudianism.html) Pope John-Paul II, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-religions-christianity-penetration-pope-john-paul-2-jewish.html) Catherine Meyer Graham (Washington Post Owner), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-graham.html) Peter R. Kann (CEO Dow Jones & WSJ), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-kann.html) Walter Annenberg, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-annenberg-walter.html) Monica Lewinsky, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-lewinsky.html) Nancy Pelosi - U.S. House Speaker, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-pelosi-nancy.html) Alan Greenspan, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-greenspan.html) Senator Dianne Feinstein, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-feinstein-dianne.html) Jack the Ripper, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-aaron-kosminsky-jack-the-ripper.html) Armand Hammer Sr./Jr, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-hammer-armand.html) Edgar Bronfman, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-bronfman.html) Rabbi Nachman (Nahman), (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-rabbi-nachman-messiah.html) Art Bell, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-art-bell.html) Rupert Murdoch, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-murdoch-jew.html) Hyam Salomon, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-leaders-salomon.html) Krypto Jews, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-hatehoaxes-american-nazis.html) Solomon Morel, (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/jew-atrocities-solomon-morel.html)

[eternal_spirit]

Julieray:

Yes they have interbreeded but always amongst their own selves. The appearance of so many groups, is just that, appearance. Such great influence over language, remember, they influence the history books and history on the internet. With enough objective, rational thinking though, the root that they try to hide can still clearly be seen as GERMAN.

Thanks for the links. I will definitely check em out. Do share whatever more you come across on this angle and thanks so very much for your love.

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“History proves, and the Jewish Encyclopedia confirms it, that the so-called “German, Russian, Polish and Eastern” Jews are Mongols, who accepted the Jewish Talmud, which is not the creed given to Moses. The Talmud seems more like the by-laws of a gang of murderers than a religion, yet is is strictly followed by the so-called “Jews.”
— Maj. Gen. Count Cherep-Spiridovich, 1925
Yes, there are some Jews who will admit to the real story:Given that the historic homeland of modern Jews are the grasslands of Mongolia and not the sunny hills of Palestine, any claim for a historic right of residency, leave alone nationhood in Palestine, makes no sense at all. By the same logic, all third world Catholics who were converted by an Italian missionary, could claim a right to take over possession of Rome and kick out the Italians.

[eternal_spirit]

Click on the blue numbers below to listen

122904 (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/audio/122904.mp3)
B'nai Brith (Sons of the Covenant)
Democracy is being redefined to protect all minority rights without distinction. The B'nai Brith, formed by the Sephardic Jews who ran most of the slave trade into America, is a Masonic organization and is Chartered under the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, with their buildings called Lodges. They're implicated in fomenting dissension on both sides of the Revolutionary War, the assassination of Abraham Lincoln through the spin-off group called the Knights of the Golden Circle, all recorded in the Congressional Records. The B'nai Brith are writing the Hate Laws today for implementation into the general public. People are being forced to live in United Nation Habitat areas through oppressive taxation, abolition of private property and private transportation, etc., where people will happily be good producers, consumers and taxpayers. What is the esoteric meaning of Revelations, hoodwinked, Harpo Productions (Harpocrates), Thor and "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Contradictions and additions in the Bible for control purposes. The international priesthood created the form of religion for the masses, so they form-alized and author-ized religion which is based in the material world, to distract the masses from seeking their own individual spirituality within themselves.

[nickatnoon61]

The West German role in the development of the global financial and monetary system has been replete with ironies. No state consistently had a greater interest in developing a stable system and in cooperating in such a system.


Ya see any Jews in sight? With that said, the articles did point out Germany was one of three of the largest banks. Who are the other two?:cool:

fs, how long have you resided in the asshole of Canada???(TORONTO) You couldn't pay me to live in that cesspool!!! Those in the know call it "Baby Jew York"! Show me any city with a high Jewish population, and I will show you a high imbalance of wealth! (see GHETTOS) BTW Most all banks are owned by JEWS, no matter what "country" they are in!!!! And there really are no countries, but just DIVISIONS/SECTORS with borders which allow the Elite(see SATANIC PEDOPHILES) to control the sheeple easier, and coerce them into killing eachother(see PATRIOTISM)!
I am just watching the Maple Laffs and Rangers game, and the 11/11 Patriotic Indoctrination is on, before, during, and after the game, as I type this. Why do I feel like vomiting????? :confused: Meathead, Shabboz Goy, Don Cherry, just rambled on about his usual John Wayne type military horseshit! Cherry is probably queer like John Wayne was! In 1983, I spent some time around Bathurst St.The Jewish area of Toronto.(see SPIRITUAL GHETTO) I got the negative/depressing vibe there before I knew what vibes really were!!! Everyone will wake up in their own time, but for some it may be TOO LATE!!!!

[foreverspirit]

Everyone will wake up in their own time, but for some it may be TOO LATE!!!!


Evidently it is for you!!:cool:

[foreverspirit]

:cool:The same Zionists/Jews, and their Shabboz Goyim, that control the US govt. control the German Govt.! They are the ones who propagate this filth! Not the German citizens!



"A society such as Germany's which is already in steep decline, indeed into degeneration, will only inherit the whirlwind of violence and further levels of degradation of their own people," warned O'Brien.

"It has happened before in Germany. It has happened in other nations. Different causes but the same dynamic, the rejection of the moral order of the created universe results in radical evil. The German state intervention in family life is a new level of auto-destruction," said O'Brien.

Rzeczpospolita reports that the Eckhardt Scheffer of BZgA claimed that before releasing the manual the organization consulted parents, educators and child psychologists. 93% of whom gave a positive evaluation.

Even for a Western nation, Germany's billboards and television ads push the limits of public pornography. Last year LifeSiteNews.com reported that a very popular teen magazine in Germany publishes nude photos of teens in sexual positions which would be in almost any other nation illegal child pornography. With a licentiousness as the new morality of the secular materialist establishment and homeschool a forbidden practice, parents in Germany may well wonder what will transpire in public education.




Oh me oh my, not those sweet, ever so innocent German people:rolleyes: I tell ya paw, it's them dam Jews!! Guy you make me laugh!!:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

You missed out the main point foreverspirit Germany is still a ZOG ( Zionist owned Government) Who owns the banks, controls the government.

[eternal_spirit]

Besides, can we stay on track, lets not turn this thread into a tit for tat, who's worst the German or the Jew argument. It's about Zionism right.

[foreverspirit]

You missed out the main point foreverspirit Germany is still a ZOG ( Zionist owned Government) Who owns the banks, controls the government.


Ahh, you would still like me to believe that, after all I've discovered?? I see all banking coming from the Anglos/English/German Royals. I see the Illuminati continuing to try to keep my attention focused on the Jews. Nah, I don't think I've missed a beat and I think I'll probably still continue to discover more!! Most intriguing, especially when I see the vicious hate being spewed on some of these posts. Why is this fearful hate trying to instill fear in me, for discovering GERMAN root and or involvement??

Hmmmn, yes, I geuss TRUTH can be frightening for the weak.

Ciao for now!!:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

No just think you are missing the point 90% of banks are owned by Jews. If you'd done your homework you'd know this. Who ever owns the worlds debt and money controls much.
Who funded both World Wars? And who is financing the present war?

[foreverspirit]

Besides, can we stay on track, lets not turn this thread into a tit for tat, who's worst the German or the Jew argument. It's about Zionism right.


Indeed and it is also about WHO are the ZIONIST!! Illuminati society and history and many posters in here are saying they are Jews.

Truth seeking reveals otherwise, that it's Germans!!:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

Why has Israel become the third largest owner of nuclear weapons?

[foreverspirit]

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;186359]No just think you are missing the point 90% of banks are owned by Jews. If you'd done your homework you'd know this. Who ever owns the worlds debt and money controls much.
Who funded both World Wars? And who is financing the present war?[/QUOTE

No, the Queen and her co-horts own 90% of banks and we know the Queen ain't no Jew:p:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

Indeed and it is also about WHO are the ZIONIST!! Illuminati society and history and many posters in here are saying they are Jews.

Truth seeking reveals otherwise, that it's Germans!!:cool:

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Wrong again
lluminati: The Order of the Illuminati was started, on May 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt, a Jew who was also in the Jesuit Order of the Catholic Church, thus making him a Jewish Jesuit. The true purpose of the Illuminati is world hegemony: a One World Order ruled by an elite pretending to represent the common man, but in reality disenfranchising and enslaving the entire population of the world for the Illuminati’s own selfish, evil purposes. Their agents are bred, educated, and trained to be placed behind the scenes at all levels of government. As experts and advisers, they mould government policy to further the secret plans of their masters. They lure people away from God by offering them money, the world, the flesh, and the devil. Those who direct the Illuminati are against Christ and in favor of Satan. They always remain in the dark, behind the scenes, unidentified, and generally unsuspected. They use all peoples to serve their diabolical purposes. By supplying arms and money to both sides in wars, the Illuminati divide and conquer, instigating peoples of the world to fight and kill each other to achieve the Zionist Jews’ objective of world control. The terrorism of atomic warfare is deliberately fostered, and world famines are purposely created. Their primary goal is to form a One World Government, destroying all religions and national governments in the process.

[eternal_spirit]

Jewish Zionism: Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews. It began in the late 19th Century and attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states). Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars.
This is what the average Jew believes about Zionism.
In its current form, Zionism seeks to dominate all of Palestine and the Middle East by means of violence and the threat of violence (using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States), and to maximize its influence in world affairs and in world history, principally by means of control of the government of the US (primarily by blackmailing its many corrupt politicians), at the expense of the social well-being not only of the Palestinians but of the peoples of all lands.
But Zionism means something very different to the leaders of International Jewry. They know full well that it is a plan to control the entire world, merge all corporations, businesses and financial houses into their hands, destroy all dissidents, and enslave those who are left. Their plan is to eliminate 5.5 billion of the world’s population by forced birth control, abortion, manufactured famines, manufactured pandemic diseases, war, executions, and other ways as revealed on this website.
* Jewish Zionism is the First Beast of Revelation, Chapter 13.
Christian Zionism: Many Christians, particularly Evangelical Christians, believe (incorrectly) that the present-day “Jews” in Israel and the other Jews around the world (the Diaspora), are God’s “Chosen People.” They support the Israelis brutal treatment of the Palestinians and Israel’s attempt to build the third temple on the Temple Mount. By so doing, they believe that they are “hastening the return of Jesus Christ.” (Please see “Who is the Church? Who is Israel?”)
This false doctrine of the Evangelicals, called “Dispensationalism,” originated primarily from the Scofield Bible. But now mainline Christian Churches are embracing this error, and the Bible predicts that the “whole world will follow after the Beast.” (Revelation 13:3)
* Christian Zionism is the Second Beast of Revelation, Chapter 13.

[foreverspirit]

Why has Israel become the third largest owner of nuclear weapons?

Probably because the Illuminati (Huns) have allowed their favourite front!! Why focus on numero 3. Lets go for who are numero 1 and 2???:rolleyes::cool:

[eternal_spirit]

Probably because the Illuminati (Huns) have allowed their favourite front!! Why focus on numero 3. Lets go for who are numero 1 and 2???:rolleyes::cool:
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The way things are going, it could be stalemate, another cold war. The Russians have nuclear weapons pointed at Israel.

[foreverspirit]

Jewish Zionism: Zionism represents itself as a political movement concerned principally with the establishment of a state in Palestine to be controlled by and for Jews. It began in the late 19th Century and attained its stated objective with the creation in 1948 of the state of Israel by the United Nations (at the insistence of the United States and without the agreement of existing Middle Eastern states). Subsequently Israel doubled the amount of territory it controlled by means of its illegal occupation of the West Bank in the 1967 and 1973 wars.
This is what the average Jew believes about Zionism.
In its current form, Zionism seeks to dominate all of Palestine and the Middle East by means of violence and the threat of violence (using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States), and to maximize its influence in world affairs and in world history, principally by means of control of the government of the US (primarily by blackmailing its many corrupt politicians), at the expense of the social well-being not only of the Palestinians but of the peoples of all lands.
But Zionism means something very different to the leaders of International Jewry. They know full well that it is a plan to control the entire world, merge all corporations, businesses and financial houses into their hands, destroy all dissidents, and enslave those who are left. Their plan is to eliminate 5.5 billion of the world’s population by forced birth control, abortion, manufactured famines, manufactured pandemic diseases, war, executions, and other ways as revealed on this website.
* Jewish Zionism is the First Beast of Revelation, Chapter 13.
Christian Zionism: Many Christians, particularly Evangelical Christians, believe (incorrectly) that the present-day “Jews” in Israel and the other Jews around the world (the Diaspora), are God’s “Chosen People.” They support the Israelis brutal treatment of the Palestinians and Israel’s attempt to build the third temple on the Temple Mount. By so doing, they believe that they are “hastening the return of Jesus Christ.” (Please see “Who is the Church? Who is Israel?”)
This false doctrine of the Evangelicals, called “Dispensationalism,” originated primarily from the Scofield Bible. But now mainline Christian Churches are embracing this error, and the Bible predicts that the “whole world will follow after the Beast.” (Revelation 13:3)
* Christian Zionism is the Second Beast of Revelation, Chapter 13.



You truly expect me to believe the propaganda that the Germans have put out?? Lovely as it is, I can't take much more laughter for the evening.

Another intriguing little bit is "ZEITGEIST". Theres that German creeping in again.

Things that make you go yeah, okay!!:cool:

[foreverspirit]

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The way things are going, it could be stalemate, another cold war. The Russians have nuclear weapons pointed at Israel.


You didn't answer my question. Who's number one and two??? Going out for the night. Will check in when I get back!!:cool:

[eternal_spirit]

You didn't answer my question. Who's number one and two??? Going out for the night. Will check in when I get back!!:cool:

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Not sure 1Usa
2 russia :confused:

[eternal_spirit]

You truly expect me to believe the propaganda that the Germans have put out?? Lovely as it is, I can't take much more laughter for the evening.

Another intriguing little bit is "ZEITGEIST". Theres that German creeping in again.

Things that make you go yeah, okay!!:cool:
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I disagree....The Jews run wikipedia and google and own 90 odd % of the worlds media, TV/newspapers

[eternal_spirit]

here's the link for the Jewish/Christian Zionist quote
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

[lizzy]

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Wrong again
lluminati: The Order of the Illuminati was started, on May 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt, a Jew who was also in the Jesuit Order of the Catholic Church, thus making him a Jewish Jesuit. The true purpose of the Illuminati is world hegemony: a One World Order ruled by an elite pretending to represent the common man, but in reality disenfranchising and enslaving the entire population of the world for the Illuminati’s own selfish, evil purposes. Their agents are bred, educated, and trained to be placed behind the scenes at all levels of government. As experts and advisers, they mould government policy to further the secret plans of their masters. They lure people away from God by offering them money, the world, the flesh, and the devil. Those who direct the Illuminati are against Christ and in favor of Satan. They always remain in the dark, behind the scenes, unidentified, and generally unsuspected. They use all peoples to serve their diabolical purposes. By supplying arms and money to both sides in wars, the Illuminati divide and conquer, instigating peoples of the world to fight and kill each other to achieve the Zionist Jews’ objective of world control. The terrorism of atomic warfare is deliberately fostered, and world famines are purposely created. Their primary goal is to form a One World Government, destroying all religions and national governments in the process.
Yup. This is the game plan.
Zionist Jews 80% and Neo Cons 20% own the banks , media and multinationals.
Russia has a nukes , natural gas and other commodities but has just sold out to NWO with new Premier.
China owns nukes and most of US paper, one reason the dollar is worthless. along with making mulitnational even richer. China have bought into NWO too.
Even Iran looks like playing ball now as well. We rattled the saber they have capitulated.
Zionist jews are the most evil of ALL.
If we ever start mining on the Moon or Mars, it will be called the Mt Zion Mining CO. but before (if ever) we get there they will have slaves minind in Alaska wher they have a labour camp for one and half million people already built and others in every State.
If the rioting does'nt start soon it's game over for humanity this time around.
And then I will off to infinate consciousness.
love,lizzy

[lizzy]

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I disagree....The Jews run wikipedia and google and own 90 odd % of the worlds media, TV/newspapers
Yup, they sure do.
All trash, to turn us into trash.

[nickatnoon61]

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Not sure 1Usa
2 russia :confused:

THAT'S EASY ES!!! I AM #1 AND EVERYONE ELSE IS #2 AND #3 AND #4................................................ .:D

[nickatnoon61]

Ahh, you would still like me to believe that, after all I've discovered?? I see all banking coming from the Anglos/English/German Royals. I see the Illuminati continuing to try to keep my attention focused on the Jews. Nah, I don't think I've missed a beat and I think I'll probably still continue to discover more!! Most intriguing, especially when I see the vicious hate being spewed on some of these posts. Why is this fearful hate trying to instill fear in me, for discovering GERMAN root and or involvement??

Hmmmn, yes, I geuss TRUTH can be frightening for the weak.

Ciao for now!!:cool: WHERE'S THE VICIOUS HATE????? There's that H word again. R U ADL? A Jew? Or just brainwashed/pavlovian?

[eternal_spirit]

THAT'S EASY ES!!! I AM #1 AND EVERYONE ELSE IS #2 AND #3 AND #4................................................ .:D

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:D "I am not a number I am a free man" Quote form The Prisoner TV series.

[nickatnoon61]

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:D "I am not a number I am a free man" Quote form The Prisoner TV series.Great quote from a guy in prison,eh!?!? :D

[eternal_spirit]

Great quote from a guy in prison,eh!?!? :D

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:D Never watched much of it, but he was under mind control. Patrick Mcgooan was the main actor. It's an English programme from the 60's 70's.

[foreverspirit]

fs, how long have you resided in the asshole of Canada???(TORONTO) You couldn't pay me to live in that cesspool!!!

Yeah, I think most would think that's a pretty hateful statement. I am far from Jewish. What does my residing in Toronto have to do with the GERMAN discovery? Please do not try to skirt the issue. You should have just wisely tried to refute the information I have provided. But of course, that is impossible.

Maybe you are one of what they call, a disinfo agent?! Its not good for me to subject myself to your negative energy. Please do not respond to any more of my posts as I will not be to yours.

As soon as I finish with ET I'll be disengaging from this thread. I am appaled by the silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments. I have provided enough information for anyone truly wishing for truth to see and I, most of all, have learned the truth about the Illuminati being GERMAN!!:cool:

[nickatnoon61]

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:D Never watched much of it, but he was under mind control. Patrick Mcgooan was the main actor. It's an English programme from the 60's 70's.

Yes, I remember it. vaguely! I liked mcgoohan's stuff.

[nickatnoon61]

Yeah, I think most would think that's a pretty hateful statement. I am far from Jewish. What does my residing in Toronto have to do with the GERMAN discovery? Please do not try to skirt the issue. You should have just wisely tried to refute the information I have provided. But of course, that is impossible.

As a matter of fact you seem to be pretty irrational. Irrational people are usually dumb people. Which is clearly evident. Maybe you are one of what they call, a disinfo agent?! I can feel your negative energy. Its not good for me to subject myself to that. Please do not respond to any more of my posts as I will not be to yours.

As soon as I finish with ET I'll be disengaging from this thread. I have provided enough information for anyone truly wishing for truth, to see and I most of all, have learned the truth about the Illuminati being GERMAN!!:cool:

Hateful??? Is the truth hateful? There's the H word again! You have that ADL tone about you,pal.Only assholes and hockey players come from Toronto! What position do you play? LOL I had 2 sick-looking young, drug addict hags from TO, try to rent a room from me last year. They said they were from Barrie, but I caught them in a few lies.Typical. The first question the drones in Toronto ask one is "what do you do?" meaning what can you do for me???? Out west here, most of them say they are from "Ontario". Few want to admit to being from TO.TO has a very negative stigma, and rightly so! I am from Windsor originally, but we got out of there in the 50s! Germany had to be wasted because it was becoming a strong nation and that is not allowed by the ptbs, because strong people are a threat to the weak/lying/COWARDS! It's hilarious to see all the rich Jews, in Hollyweird driving German-made autos, because they are the best in the world! Your posts about Germany being the bad guys is too laughable! Who are you trying to bullshit? I am not a newbie,pal! Anyhow,I will check up on you now and again to see if you are behaving yourself.And if I feel you are BSing, or I disagree with you on an important issue, I will throw in my 2 bits.

[nickatnoon61]

World Jewish Congress Sues NASA

Ronald Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress, has filed a $20 billion (€ 13.6 billion) lawsuit against the NASA for “Holocaust neglect.”

Mr. Lauder, heir to the Estée Lauder Empire of women’s merchandise, is estimated to have net worth of $3.0 billion. Besides controlling much of the world’s cosmetics market, Lauder manages investments in real estate and media, such as Central European Media Enterprises, and Israeli TV.

“As the son of Auschwitz survivors, it is my sacred duty to hold America’s space program accountable for neglecting the Holocaust,” Lauder said. “Colonel Ramon died in a ball of flame, just like six million of his innocent countrymen.”

Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air force, was decorated for valor during Israel’s Yom Kippur War, and for taking part in Israel’s spectacular 1981 bombing of the Osirak Reactor in Iraq ("Operation Opera”). In 1982 was decorated again during Israel’s defensive operations in Lebanon (“Operation Peace In Galilee”).

Ramon called himself a “secular Jew,” but during his heroic space mission aboard the U.S. Shuttle Columbia (STS-107, January 2003) he demanded kosher food, and broadcast a message to earth, saying, “I represent all Jews and all Israelis.” He also carried the pencil sketch Moon Landscape drawn by 14-year-old Petr Ginz, who was one six million innocent Jews that Europeans murdered at Auschwitz. In addition, Ramon carried a microfiche copy of the Torah (from the Holocaust) given to him by Israeli president Moshe Katsav.

Before the mission, Ramon requested a Holocaust symbol from the 1939 Club, a Holocaust survivor organization in Los Angeles, and was given a barbed wire Mezuzah by San Francisco Artist Aimee Golant. The symbol was then placed about the multi-billion dollar spacecraft during a solemn ceremony.

On February 1, 2003, weeks before the U.S. invasion that brought democracy to Iraq, the Space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated in space, killing Colonel Ramon. The entire world mourned, and proceeded to honor Col. Ramon in numerous ways. An asteroid was named after him, as was a formation on Mars, plus college dormitories in Florida, theme parks in Israel, a street in Vaughan, Ontario, and a mountain in Uganda. Meanwhile the Bush Administration posthumously awarded Col. Ramon the NASA Space Flight Medal, NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal, Congressional Medal of Honor, and the Chief Of Staff Medal of Appreciation.

Nonetheless, Ronald Lauder says this was all a, “Cheap way for the United States to avoid its guilt.”

Lauder’s concerns arose when the U.S. Geological Survey’s Board of Geographic Names declined to rename a mountain in Col. Ramon’s honor. The USGS named a Colorado mountain “Challenger Point” to commemorate the Challenger disaster, and in 2003 named a nearby summit “Columbia Point.” When the World Jewish Congress demanded that the latter mountain be renamed “Mount Ramon,” the USGS declined, claiming that other astronauts were also lost during the Columbia mission.

“The Geological Survey’s anti-Semitism might have been forgivable if the other Columbia astronauts had been children of Holocaust survivors like colonel Ramon,” Mr. Lauder said, “but they were just ordinary Americans. A few components on the space shuttle were even made in Germany.”

Mr. Lauder was dismayed when he learned that the collected debris of the Columbia shuttle was entombed in two Minuteman missile silos at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida.

“The Jewish people have honorable traditions regarding burial,” Mr. Lauder said. “Colonel Ramon’s remains should have been separated from those of the other astronauts and buried accordingly, but he was dumped into a hole in the ground. This is Auschwitz all over again.”

Asked what he will do with the $20 billion if he wins his lawsuit against NASA, Mr. Lauder said he would invest part of it in a new line of apparel for women holocaust survivors. “This is not about money,” the makeup magnate said. “It’s about remembering the six million innocents who died at Auschwitz.”

The World Jewish Congress has offices in many countries, but is headquartered in New York City.


DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THE TITLE IS THE WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS?????NOT THE WORLD GERMAN CONGRESS???? JUST WONDERING!!!!!!

[eternal_spirit]

Lauder’s concerns arose when the U.S. Geological Survey’s Board of Geographic Names declined to rename a mountain in Col. Ramon’s honor. The USGS named a Colorado mountain “Challenger Point” to commemorate the Challenger disaster, and in 2003 named a nearby summit “Columbia Point.” When the World Jewish Congress demanded that the latter mountain be renamed “Mount Ramon,” the USGS declined, claiming that other astronauts were also lost during the Columbia mission.

“The Geological Survey’s anti-Semitism might have been forgivable if the other Columbia astronauts had been children of Holocaust survivors like colonel Ramon,” Mr. Lauder said, ((“but they were just ordinary Americans.)) A few components on the space shuttle were even made in Germany.”

then he goes on to say "it's not about money" While he is trying to sue NASA. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

No compensation yet for the victims and their children who where in the Russian Gulag camps created by Zionist, Jew Communists. Yet the Jews wan't more money for the Hollocaust survivors, this is hypocrisy and not fair.

[nickatnoon61]

No compensation yet for the victims and their children who where in the Russian Gulag camps created by Zionist, Jew Communists. Yet the Jews wan't more money for the Hollocaust survivors, this is hypocrisy and not fair.
Thanx E.S. I just got this today......

"...Yet the greatest crime in modern history, and bloodiest genocide, have almost vanished from our collective memory...."
Not OUR memory! We know what the NY Bolshevik Jews did in and to Russia. And millions of its people. And that any condemnation of the murderers would be upon the shoulders of EVERY Jew benefitting from their holocaust, real or contrived. For the first holocaust brought the second, and by the same Operators. THAT simple.

Crucial facts are missing here: Any connection to or indictment for all these attrocities, to the sly hand of the Ashkenazi Jews, their implants, moles, and bribed collaborators, to this day. NOT a single 'beep'. And it is not that Germany allied with the Soviets and started WW2, but that the world Jewry FIRST declared war on Germany, once Germany denied them a sly hand, for the second time, into their economy and government... to push them into war, for the second time also, exactly as they are doing now to the US. Yet, Margolis wants to make US, and Russia and Putin, guilty by DIS-association? Buzz off!

Stalin-Churchill-Roosevelt-Hitler. Common denominator? Check their DNA and solve the WW2 Riddle.


http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2007/11/04/4629561-sun.php

Eric Margolis

Sun, November 4, 2007

Bear the guilt

Time to hear an apology for the Great Terror in the Soviet Union


This seems to be historic guilt month. Germany just opened a new memorial to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution. Armenians demand Turkey admit Ottoman-era massacres were genocide. Japan is being blasted anew for denying wartime atrocities.

Yet the greatest crime in modern history, and bloodiest genocide, have almost vanished from our collective memory. Last week marked the 70th anniversary of the Great Terror in the Soviet Union in which tens of millions were murdered or imprisoned.

Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, at least commemorated for the first time what he termed "colossal" Soviet crimes by attending a memorial this week for its victims.

It was interesting watching Putin, former head of the FSB security service, denouncing crimes of its direct predecessors, KGB and NKVD. The same Putin who recently called the Soviet Union's collapse a "tragedy." Still, we applaud his long-overdue recognition of [JEW]Communist-era crimes.

The Soviet terror began in the 1920s when Lenin ordered the extermination of Cossacks and opponents of the Bolsheviks. Next came Catholics of White Russia, and resisters to communism in the Baltic states and Moldova. Stalin then ordered liquidation of two million small farmers, known as "Kulaks."


In 1932-33, Stalin unleashed genocide against Ukraine's independent-minded farmers.

Six to seven million Ukrainians were shot or purposely starved to death. The man who directed this genocide, Lazar Kaganovich was made Hero of the Soviet Union and died in Moscow in 1991.

ATTENTION GRABBER

When Communist Party bureaucrats delayed Stalin's plans to transform the Soviet Union from a backward rural society into a modern industrial powerhouse, "Koba," as he was called, had NKVD shoot 700,000 party members. Thereafter, his orders were promptly obeyed.

Almost all the party and military hierarchy were executed during the Great Purges of 1937-38, which culminated in the Moscow Show Trials.

From 1934-1941 alone, some seven million victims were sent to the system of concentration camps known as the "gulag," including one million Poles, hundreds of thousands of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians, and half the entire Chechen and Ingush people. Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Bashkirs, Kalmyks followed. Stalin's gulag did not need gas chambers: Cold, disease and overwork killed 30% of inmates yearly.

To this day, Russian and foreign historians are unsure of the full number of Lenin and Stalin's victims. Estimates range from 20-40 million total deaths from 1922 to 1953.

Stalin committed his worst crimes well before Hitler's major atrocities got under way.

We have forgotten that Germany alone did not spark the Second World War. Germany and the U.S.S.R. jointly invaded Poland in 1939; Stalin then attacked Finland. Two years later, Britain and the U.S.S.R. invaded neutral Iran. History indeed remains the propaganda of the victors.

If we keep hectoring Germany and Japan to admit guilt for events of the 1940s, is it not time the United States, Britain and Canada admit their own culpability in allying themselves to Stalin, a monster who killed over four times the number of Hitler's victims?

After all, Stalin's concentration camps were up and running a decade ahead of Germany's. The murder of millions of Ukrainians and Balts took place before the world's gaze -- six or seven years before the Second World War.

'UNCLE JOE'

The foolish Roosevelt, who hailed Stalin as "Uncle Joe," and the cannier Winston Churchill both knew they were allied to the biggest mass murderer since Genghis Khan.

They used a larger devil to fight a smaller, less dangerous one -- then paid his price by handing over half of Europe to Moscow.

Remember this when today's warmongers wax poetic about the glories of World War II -- and call for WW III.

Western powers should practise what they piously preach to Germany, Japan and, lately, Turkey, by at least apologizing for their sordid deal with Stalin, which was every bit as immoral as if they had made a deal with Hitler, as Stalin long feared they would, to destroy the Soviet Union.

[nickatnoon61]

Probably because the Illuminati (Huns) have allowed their favourite front!! Why focus on numero 3. Lets go for who are numero 1 and 2???:rolleyes::cool:

How about focusing on #1,#2,#3 and ALL the rest, who sell their souls for mammon????The Zionist jews may be a front, but they definitely have lots of blood on their hands, and are a major cog in the machinery. No human with a conscience would ever behave in such a ruthless and bloodthirsty manner! That is why I believe in the Reptilian Agenda! Time will tell!

[maggie]

It feels like everyone is angry and pointing fingers at groups and people who are responsible for all that is not well.Well Matrix wins again.Icke said it in all his books,they are on both sides.They create anger and fear.They feed off it.So now they just did it again we are all angry.The only wa y we win is to not feed them.Don't give in to your emotion.All of us are one.Jew christians muslims etc.We love each other regardless of whatever and we win.

[awakensong]

Is Icke the role model by pointing his finger at the Reptilians? Why aren't they exempt from his anger? I've often wondered this, truly.

The worst thing is to stay asleep and not know who the oppressors are; that is why most of the world is sheeple on their way to the slaughterhouse. I applaud the whistleblowers and the waker-uppers.

What makes you think people are angry just because of sharing information? Knowledge and action are important.

[maggie]

Do we really know the truth in any information we hear or read.Isn't there a lot of stuff out there just to get us painfully angry.We are only sheeple when we react and get wound up.Does any body know the real truth.We go to slaughter when we give in to our rage.Icke turned us on to a concept.The truth may be a lot different.

[awakensong]

The last time I heard David Icke on the radio, he was taking calls from the audience, and a woman called in to say she had named Consciousness "Yahweh". David said he didn't care if she had named it "Ethel", for as soon as we distinguish it as being a separate entity, we have divided ourselves up. I therefore would like to know why he gives the name "Reptilians" to anyone? If we are All One, and if separation is only an illusion, why are there groups of "them" and "us"? Why isn't there just only Consciousness, as he was trying to reinforce on that program?

[de_shit]

Icke calls them reptilian, because that is how they are experiencing this illusory Matrix world now. I am experiencing the world as a white dude with long hair. You might be experiencing it as a black dude, a Mexican, or whatever. But I didn't say I was a white person, no. I am Infinite Love, Consciousness, Being, Isness. Do you see what I, and Icke, mean? Once you give yourself a name, you are associating yourself with the spacesuit body, the Matrix you. That is why from now on Ill say "I am experiencing life as Mike" instead of saying "my names Mike". See what I mean anymore clearly?

[awakensong]

My point is that naming them anything whatsoever - in this case "Reptilian" - separates the experience into a duality. If we are just One Mind, there cannot be any names of any type to distinguish one from another because there's only one.

So the One Mind is Itself "Reptilian", also White, Black, Latino, Asian, etc. There is no "us" against "them". Why then, is David teaching as if there was? We are the Reptilians; we are also God, Satan, whatever; depending upon where on the scale of Consciousness we resonate at any given time. If there is anger, it could be a very healthy thing. It could cause the angry person to do something about their own Consciousness.

My motto in all this is "Live and Let Live; Believe and Let Believe". I can only be responsible for my own perspective, behavior, etc. It takes on unwanted karma to try and tell others what they should or shouldn't believe, do, say, etc. Let each person follow their own understanding, instead of how another poster here today said everyone "should" see it their way.

(Why is everyone called "dude" on these forums, with no distinction as to whether someone posting here might be female??)

[sunyatta60]

My point is that naming them anything whatsoever - in this case "Reptilian" - separates the experience into a duality. If we are just One Mind, there cannot be any names of any type to distinguish one from another because there's only one.

So the One Mind is Itself "Reptilian", also White, Black, Latino, Asian, etc. There is no "us" against "them". Why then, is David teaching as if there was? We are the Reptilians; we are also God, Satan, whatever; depending upon where on the scale of Consciousness we resonate at any given time. If there is anger, it could be a very healthy thing. It could cause the angry person to do something about their own Consciousness.

My motto in all this is "Live and Let Live; Believe and Let Believe". I can only be responsible for my own perspective, behavior, etc. It takes on unwanted karma to try and tell others what they should or shouldn't believe, do, say, etc. Let each person follow their own understanding, instead of how another poster here today said everyone "should" see it their way.

(Why is everyone called "dude" on these forums, with no distinction as to whether someone posting here might be female??)

Interesting and thoughtful post I am a monist myself so can only agree with you. The only thing I disagree with your points above is where you say we are responsible for our own behaviour. This raises the important question do we have free will, I say No and Scientists working in this field agree with me. Free will is just part of the game to keep everyone trapped in the illusion. Once you see through it and are able to surrender yourself to the Infinite Oneness then the Universal Mind will put you on the right track as opposed to the one that the ego wants to be on and everything seems to fall into place.

Things that appear random to a limited awareness fit into place perfectly when awareness is expanded.
Dr Deepak Chopra

Here is the man himself one minute of breath taking information based on the best of Western Science.

http://www.shiftinaction.com/discover/transcripts/deepak_chopra/wonder_of_you

[nickatnoon61]

Its not the Illuminati
Its not the Jesuits
Its not the Freemasons
Its not the Bilderbergers
Its not the Council on Foreign Relations
Its not the Trilateralists
Its not the Club of 300
Its not the Knight Templers
Its not the Skull and Bones
Its not the Bohemian Grove
Its not the Club of Rome
Its not the Americans
Its not the Learned Elders of Zion
Its not the Jews
Its not the Muslims
Its not the Christians
Its not the Church
Its not the Knights of Columbus
Its not the Royal Institute of International Affairs
Its not the Reptilians
Its not the Annunaki
Its not the British Empire but we are getting warm
Its not the Royal Family but we are now getting very warm
It is "The Crown" - The Cult Of The All Seeing Eye (The Worship Of The Intellect) that is the true global hidden hand manipulating Man-Kind behind the scenes for around 10,000 years now. "The Crown" is Ancient Egypt - Ancient Egypt is not a mystery - Ancient Egypt never went away - Ancient Egypt is still here after 10,000 years or so.

Please read these rough sketched unedited emails/documents located here:http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/2426 and here: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/2398
amongst many other documents found here: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/arthur_cristian A book is now being written called "Earth Is Calling" to simplify the story of an Egyptian priest who con-ceived and implemented a scam that started around 10,000 years ago. Unfortunately this scam is now jeopardising the lives of billions. We only have a few years to make right what has been made wrong for a very long time.

All the Best

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life Campaign
action@loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au
PO Box 1320 Bowral NSW 2576 Australia
Mobile: 0011 61 418 203204 (local 0418 203204)

[oiram]

ALL of you HERE should know that! you should all be here on this forum because you love, desire, and thirst to know the truth of all things regardless of how unpleasant or sickening it might be. The TRUTH HURTS, this is nothing new for you guys. And if you are going around believing everything you hear because you assumed that person knew more than you, then you deserve to be taken down a dead-end. You need to use your reasoning/logic skills to discern between what to pursue.

Reasoning, logic & skills = My lownly live!
Thats why I was 48 years alone in this world; thanks God now I can see things are changing!

In my view too not waist even more time separating shit from litter! All secrets, technology held from as by the Elite, CIA, Government & Vatican has to be released; if not the smell and pain will never go away and we will float in Hell for ever!
You say TRUTH HURTS yes and no I still prefer the truth because this represents reality, life & freedom!


Could you imagine to only use & knowing the ten Commandments? I can and I am using it to the maximum but when you use this around Evil Humans the Earth is Hell! So I am living in my own Heaven and my hope is one day the Earth would become Heaven, but that would require that the 3% of Evil Human kind got to be condemned for entirety!

Can we do it of-cause I do and con-dame Hypocrites and evil all my live! Thats why I am alone till now!

[dmessick]

Didn't David come out with his jew/kazarian link because of DNA test results? Besides who knows who is really controlling these tests. The results either may can be manipulated.

[megafish33]

Didn't David come out with his jew/kazarian link because of DNA test results? Besides who knows who is really controlling these tests. The results either may can be manipulated.

He "came out" with his link before DNA tests confirmed him(and others with that theory) to be wrong. No biggie though...

[nickatnoon61]

He "came out" with his link before DNA tests confirmed him(and others with that theory) to be wrong. No biggie though...
can you show any links to confirm that megafish?

[megafish33]

can you show any links to confirm that megafish?

Oh of course I could, but I won't. The "Jews are just Kazars" idea was already proven wrong by many scholars-scholars that aren't Jewish. Do your homework, stop believing every "independent researcher" on the internet who doesn't even have the access to the tools or people do a study like this.

If you think we'll go back and forth on this issue, like other topics relating to Jews and the Holocaust, then forget it. It's not worth my time.

[nickatnoon61]

Oh of course I could, but I won't. The "Jews are just Kazars" idea was already proven wrong by many scholars-scholars that aren't Jewish. Do your homework, stop believing every "independent researcher" on the internet who doesn't even have the access to the tools or people do a study like this.

If you think we'll go back and forth on this issue, like other topics relating to Jews and the Holocaust, then forget it. It's not worth my time.

TRANSLATION: I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION BY INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS OR THE "MANY" SCHOLARS, SO I CAN'T! :eek:

[megafish33]

TRANSLATION: I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION BY INDEPENDENT RESEARCHERS OR THE "MANY" SCHOLARS, SO I CAN'T! :eek:

:rolleyes: Grow up old man. That is the "translation" you want.

[nickatnoon61]

:rolleyes: Grow up old man. That is the "translation" you want.
Do me a favor sardineboy. Stop following me around the forum. I am not interested in you, or anything you have to say! I know all i need to know about you! The forum is big enough for the both of us, I think.

[lizzy]

Oh of course I could, but I won't. The "Jews are just Kazars" idea was already proven wrong by many scholars-scholars that aren't Jewish. Do your homework, stop believing every "independent researcher" on the internet who doesn't even have the access to the tools or people do a study like this.

If you think we'll go back and forth on this issue, like other topics relating to Jews and the Holocaust, then forget it. It's not worth my time.
This book was written by a Jew who was assasinated for writing it.
It told too much truth.

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/index.html
the jews are 98% Ashkenazim ( kazars) and 2% Spehardic.

[megafish33]

Do me a favor sardineboy. Stop following me around the forum. I am not interested in you, or anything you have to say! I know all i need to know about you! The forum is big enough for the both of us, I think.

I'm not following you around, you replied to me. If you aren't interested in me or anything I have to say, don't read what I have to say. There is also the option of ignoring me.

I'm going to ask you this, although of course, you don't have to answer nick.... What is it about me that you know? You know "all" you need to know about me? What is that exactly?

You present yourself as so open mined, but in reality, you've used the incorrect "facts" of other people to "confirm" your world view. On top of that you act so arrogant.... on the internet! You are, seriously, the only person that has ever made me question the time I spend here. It sounds like you're bitter at the world and take it out on anyone who doesn't agree with you. Am I right? Wrong?

I asked you before in another thread, but you ignored me, what is it that you actually believe? What are your truths? Unlike you, I haven't made my mind up about you, and would actually like to know more. I asked if you could start a thread with your own theories. What is your version of history? Who are the conspirators? What is the big conspiracy? What is Icke right about, what is he wrong about? Things like that. I need not reply... just curious as to what makes you tick.

[lord summerisle]

edro have you ever read the book 'gideons spies' ???

[nickatnoon61]

Arab-Americans dedicated to world peace

ADL Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith has American blood on its hands

Non-Jewish Americans, wherever you live there is a predatory Jew in your midst determined to suck the last drop of your blood in his interests, and America's in Israel's interests. Jews send our jobs overseas, and our sons and daughters to fight for Israel, doing all they can to shut down sources of truth. -- ADL USA Founder
Jewish Anti-Defamation League and the City of Simi Valley caught in collusion


Wanted: City of Simi Valley armed robbery gang and accomplices

City of Simi Valley mayor Paul Miller, city council members Barbra Williamson, Glen Becerra, Steven Sojka, and Michelle Foster, city manager Mike Sedell, city attorney David Hirsch, and the city police are criminals who knowingly and willfully violate the constitutions of the United States and the State of California. We are taking steps to imprison these criminals.... TBC
Jewish ADL, Christopher Wolf and Richard W. Page have American blood on their hands

Christopher Wolf of Proskauer Rose LLP lied about Jewish ADL Trademark in a Complaint filed with intent to shut down ADLUSA.COM and conceal Armed Robbery by City of Simi Valley and that Americans are dying in Iraq on basis of Jewish lies. Richard W. Page, photo right, decided in favor of the fraudulent Complaint. The preceeding are Admissions to Sufficiet Facts to prosecute the conspirators for Misprision of Felony and Misprision of Treason.... TBC
ADL Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith indoctrinates US law enforcement




Senior Law Enforcement Personnel Attend ADL Anti-Defamation League Anti-Terrorism Course
ADL Anti-Defamation League Trains Southern Ohio Law Enforcement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Law Enforcement Training in Florida
Nevada Security Officials Travel to Israel on ADL Anti-Defamation League Mission
ADL Anti-Defamation League Trains National Latino Peace Officer Association in Minnesota
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training on Right-Wing Extremism to New York Law Enforcement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Internet Training in Michigan
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Briefing on Hate Crimes to Arizona Law Enforcement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training on Domestic Terrorism near Houston
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Internet Training for Illinois and Missouri Law Enforcement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Honors Law Enforcement Personnel for Combating Hate and Bigotry
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Indiana State Police Academy
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Pennsylvania Officers
Senior Law Enforcement Personnel Attend ADL Anti-Defamation League Anti-Terrorism Course
ADL nti-Defamation League Presents at Ohio Hate Crimes Conference
ADL Anti-Defamation League Holds Domestic Terrorism Panel at IACP Conference
ADL Anti-Defamation League Expert Addresses California Parole Conference
Security Awareness Conferences Held in Florida
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Law Enforcement in Kentucky
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Law Enforcement in South Carolina
ADL Anti-Defamation League Addresses International Conference on Terrorism in Germany
Senior Law Enforcement Personnel Attend ADL Anti-Defamation League Anti-Terrorism Course
FBI Analysts Attend ADL Anti-Defamation League Training
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Law Enforcement in Santa Barbara
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training on Extremist Use of the Internet in Massachusetts
ADL Anti-Defamation League Provides Training to Law Enforcement in South Florida
ADL Anti-Defamation League Training for Law Enforcement in Illinois / Missouri
ADL Anti-Defamation League Training for New Mexico Law Enforcement
Law Enforcement Personnel Honored by ADL Anti-Defamation League for Combating Hate and Bigotry
ADL Anti-Defamation League Sponsors Delegation of California Security Officials in Israel
ADL Anti-Defamation League Co-sponsors Domestic Terrorism Conference in Memphis
Senior Law Enforcement Personnel Attend ADL Anti-Defamation League Anti-Terrorism Course
Domestic Terrorism and Extremism Training for Los Angeles Law Enforcement
ADL Anti-Defamation League launches world-wide anti-defamation campaigns

ADL Anti-Defamation league of B'nai B'rith: "Gibson Must Confront Disease of Bigotry"
ADL Anti-Defamation League Says Mel Gibson's Anti-Semitic Tirade Reveals His True Self
ADL Anti-Defamation League Statement in Response to Shootings at Seattle Jewish Federation
ADL Anti-Defamation League Applauds FBI For Arrest of JDL Leader Irv Rubin for Alleged Acts Of Terrorism
ADL Survey Finds Editorial Cartoonists Overwhelmingly Criticize Palestinians in Mideast Crisis
ADL Anti-Defamation League: National Socialist Movement Emerges as Largest Neo-Nazi Group in the US
ADL Anti-Defamation League Trains Southern Ohio Law Enforcement
Alabama Candidate for Attorney General Stumps for White Supremacists
ADL Dismayed By World Council of Churches Decision to Pursue Divestment As Means to Punish Israel
World Council of Churches 'Needs A Reality Check' After Issuing Shocking Anti-Israel Statement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Deplores Ontario Union's Vote to Boycott Israel
Anti-Defamation League Deplores Former UN Weapons Inspector's Comparison of Bush and Blair to Nazis
ADL Anti-Defamation League Letter to President George W. Bush
President Bush Praised for Clear Condemnation of Malaysian Leader's Anti-Semitic Speech
Michael Jackson Has "anti-Semitic streak" -- Tape Shows He Hasn't Learned From Past Mistakes
ADL Anti-Defamation League Trains National Latino Peace Officer Association in Minnesota
ADL Anti-Defamation League Condemns Latest Outburst By London Mayor
ADL Anti-Defamation League Report: Extremists Declare 'Open Season' on Immigrants
ADL Anti-Defamation League Outlines Safeguards and Firewalls for President Bush’s Faith-Based Initiative
ADL Anti-Defamation League Urges French to Terminate Broadcast License of Hezbollah Satellite Network
ADL Anti-Defamation League Welcomes Release of FBI 2004 Hate Crime Statistics
ADL Anti-Defamation League Offers Reward in San Francisco Hate Crime
Beating and Assault of Hispanic Teen in Texas Displays Indicators of Hate Crime
ADL Anti-Defamation League Expresses Horror and Outrage at Apparent Anti-Gay Hate Crime
Growing Activity of U.S. Militias Shows Retooling of Movement
ADL Anti-Defamation League Report Examines Extremists And The Biological Threat to America
Neo-Nazi Leads Recruitment Drive For New Border Militia
ADL Anti-Defamation League Says "Crown Heights" Distorts History and Refuels Hatred
ADL Anti-Defamation League Condemns Violent Anti-Semitic Assaults in France
ADL Anti-Defamation League Commends France for Effort to Disband Neo-Nazi Groups
Srebrenica Anniversary: ADL Anti-Defamation League Calls for Arrests of Bosnian Serb Leaders
ADL Anti-Defamation League Features Online and Classroom Resources for Holocaust Remembrance Day
ADL Anti-Defamation League calls for Hezbollah TV to be designated a foreign terrorist organization by US
ADL Anti-Defamation League Says Anti-Immigration Groups in Arizona Share Ties to White Supremacists
ADL Anti-Defamation League Appalled that Concentration Camp is Site for Musical 'Jesus Christ Superstar'
ADL Anti-Defamation League Applauds Polish Government For Stopping Plans For Musical
ADL Anti-Defamation League April, 2000 Audit: Anti-Semitic Incidents At Highest Level in Nine Years
ADL Anti-Defamation League Resigns in Protest Over Nation of Islam Rep on Illinois Hate Crimes Panel Abraham Foxman of ADL Anti-Defamation League to Wall Street Journal, analyses the Holocaust deniers
ADL Anti-Defamation League objects to Nader's Characterization of U.S. Government as 'Puppet' to Israel
Sen. John Kerry to Address ADL Anti-Defamation League National Conference in Washington, DC
In Address to ADL Anti-Defamation League Sen. John Kerry Reaffirms His Strong Commitment to Israel
ADL Anti-Defamation League praises Google's response to concerns about rankings of hate sites
ADL Anti-Defamation League chief's outrage as 2004 Oscars ceremony honours Leni Riefenstahl
ADL Anti-Defamation League -- The Murder of Mary Phagan, and the Lynching of Leo Frank
In 1933 the ADL Anti-Defamation League stifled books like Madison Grant's The Conquest of a Continent
Under Jewish ADL Anti-Defamation League pressure Mel Gibson deletes a scene about Jews from his film
Abe Foxman, National Director of ADL Anti-Defamation League justifies 1967 Israeli attack on USS Liberty
ADL Anti-Defamation League officials refuse to condemn Israeli murder of peace activist Rachel Corrie
ADL Anti-Defamation League outrage at American Library Association (ALA) anti-Israel resolution
ADL Anti-Defamation League: Senator's Hitler Comparison on Judicial Nominees 'Offensive and Insensitive'
Abe Foxman of the ADL Anti-Defamation League gloats at Immigration Service arrest of Ernst Zundel
The Jewish ADL Anti-Defamation League Applauds Passage of Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act
ADL Anti-Defamation League Applauds Court Ruling on Ten Commandments Monument in Alabama
ADL Anti-Defamation League Praises Microsoft for Efforts to Remove Nazi Symbols from Office Software
ADL Anti-Defamation League Hails Senate Passage of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act
ADL Anti-Defamation League on Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ": Could It Trigger Anti-Semitism?
ADL Anti-Defamation League Letter to C-SPAN on Holocaust Denier
ADL Anti-Defamation League to Vatican: Open Baptismal Records and Put Pius Beatification on Hold
ADL Anti-Defamation League Lauds Sentencing of White Supremacist Leader Matt Hale
Jews at anti-American Autodesk, Inc. have American blood on their hands
In conspiracy with the Jewish Defense League to obstruct the truth while Americans die in Iraq on basis of Jewish lies, Autodesk Inc. shut down our founder's web site on 2, 23, 2004. For now AutoCAD3D will stay on CompuSerb while we file charges against the Conspirators in the U.S. Department of Justice. TBC . . . .
Jewish ADL condemns Mel Gibson's film The Passion of The Christ
in 1998 Jews lied about WMD -- now Jews say President Bush lied
with their lies, Jews transformed America's sons into ruthless killers
Anti-Defamation League Ltd. is restoring Gentile dignity world-wide
Anti-Defamation League USA is restoring America's dignity - join us
most Jews are Zionists, only an exodus can save the United States
"A million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail"

That statement was made by a rabbi in his eulogy at the funeral of doctor Baruch Goldstein who used an assault rifle to kill 29 men, women and children while they were worshiping at a mosque -- the Jewish Defense League gave its full support.
American brothers, while Israeli tanks roll down the streets of occupied Palestine, let's give some thought about what we would do if Russian tanks rolled down our streets and Russsian soldiers were our judge, jury, and executioner. . . .
Palestinian brothers, you will not have your own state as long as Zionist Israel has unconditional support of the United States. Lay down your guns and save your lives, so that together we can identify Jews and expose their evil ways in order to keep them out of U.S. government where they conspire against the world.
Email: adl@arabdefenseleague.com -- LINKS

[nickatnoon61]

Hi Karin, I can relate to your story, and I am very vigilant, when it comes to the Jews! My best friend in my late 20s was a Jew. he was always bragging about how superior/smart the Jews are! Meanwhile whenever we went out looking for women, he would interrogate them, and scare them off! He looked like Horshak, on "Welcome Back Kotter"! I caught him stealing small things from me a few times. Someone broke into my garage Xmas Eve, while the Goys(us) were celebrating elsewhere. Guess who it was???? I wound up moving his family's furniture from Vancouver to Toronto. After we got there, the plan was,I would stay at their apt. for a few days. After the first night, the next day, they politely asked me to leave, as word got out that a Goy(me) was staying in the building! This is the first and only time in my life that I was discriminated against! It was a wakep call! Have you read Tesla's account and experience with the Jews? "Never trust a Jew"....... Nikola Tesla

The majority of the populace has been dumbed down/fluoridated/aspartamed, but I feel a major awakening happening! cya, nick.

thanks for responding - that is disgusting, but that is exactly how they are: they use you and then they kick you.
this country is full of them, and of the worst kind - just look at the aclu, I always say "they are neither - neither American, nor civil,nor do they represent liberty -- but they are certainly union.

there was, really, no anti-semitism in Germany when I grew up in post war Germany, in school, in "Religion" classes we didn't pray or read scriptures - we read the bible, the Q'ran, the Talmud, you name it, we were educated in the different faith that existed in the world.

in 1963 I went to Bermuda where I worked in one of the biggest hotels in the reservation department. the manager was a Mr. chapman from New York. his wife was my immediate supervisor, a woman with crass make up and long fingernails - and an ability to type fast and correctly. she liked me because of my work ethic, I never came late and stayed until I finished my job.
her husband must have found out that I was German, and he scorned me with "what YOUR people did to my people" - honestly, I was naive and ignorant in these matters, I thought he was an American, so I asked him what he meant. he told me he was jewish and my people had killed his people. I couldn't stop myself and told him "but you are still alive"
needless to say that was the end of my career in that office, even though his wife had a blooming fight with him, because I was a better worker than any of the other girls. discrimination? that word didn't exist then.

but - it taught me a valuable lesson: don't tangle with a jew, they are illogical, mean spirited against anybody who isn't jewish, and there is no weapon against their racism. I have had many, many experiences on the same line, none, really, none that was good or mitigating.
fortunately we moved out of the Washington, DC area, here in sleepy Pinehurst these things don't surface.
if they exist, I don't know. but what is scary that this country, pressured by the ever present jewish lobby, cowtows to Israel. it is the one reason that has brought us in conflict with the middle east nations.

it is late - I better head for the horizontal.
thanks again
Karin

[nickatnoon61]

BUT WHO WILL DEFEND IRAN AGAINST ISRAEL?

Bush gives unconditional
support to Israel against Iran

Bush: We would defend Israel against Iran
Reuters Sunday, 6 January 2008

WASHINGTON — An Iranian attack on Israel isn't imminent,
but the US would defend its ally in such an event, United
States President George Bush told Channel 2 television just
days before he begins a Mideast visit.

A recent US intelligence report suggesting that Iran suspended
its nuclear weapons program in 2003 did not mean that Iran
wasn't a danger, because Iran can restart the program or use
its civilian nuclear program for military purposes, Bush said in
an interview broadcast yesterday.

"If I were an Israeli, I would take the words of the Iranian
president seriously, and as president of the United States
I take them seriously," Bush said.

If Iran were to strike Israel, Bush said, "We will defend our ally,
no ands, ifs or buts."


GEORGE W. BUSH: Standing tall for Israel

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/941814.html

All we need now is for the Zionist entity
to fabricate an Iranian attack against Israel.





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[damagedbrainn]

Jews took my juice money.

[megafish33]

Jews took my juice money.

The bastards...

[nickatnoon61]

Jews took my juice money.
Yeah,I know! When I was a kid, I got mugged by some Gay Jews/gangbangers!!! They did my hair,and a pedicure!!!!(Marlon Brando) The horror!!!!! :eek:

[megafish33]

Yeah,I know! When I was a kid, I got mugged by some Gay Jews/gangbangers!!!

That explains it... :p

[nickatnoon61]

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net



I don't trust religious fanatics.

AFAIK, they're blind to reason, and can't be trusted to see clearly on that account.

Plus, most of them are phonies. You see the freaks on TV: Hagee saying Israel is more important than Christ. Twisting the minds of dullard evangelicals into an army for Israel, intent on killing the ragheads. Contemplate when the Pentagon changes that programming and you are classified as the new raghead.

In case you haven't noticed, this has already occurred, Raggie!

As people we have been turned into numbers. The very essence of our lives has been wrung out of us, classified and categorized. And the human quintessence — the very thing that makes life worth living — lies dead in the dust of a radioactive Iraqi roadway, or poisoned on the floor of an upscale American cancer clinic.

I hear some preachers speak to that, but hardly anybody's listening. It turns out the most infuriating aspect about 9/11 was that there was plenty of evidence the whole deal was orchestrated through the White House, which is run by Jewish advisers and the most powerful banks in London.

But the people's level of attention has become so fragmented, so splintered into occupational trivia and entertainment anesthesia — like football, the purpose of which is described in the Protocols of Zion — that the cognitive dissonance — the preprogrammed daily distractions of life — have become the real screen by which these traitors to humanity (so prominently featured on American Jewish television) blew up the symbolic heart of their own country in order to press profitable warfare around the world in perpetuity.

And in their terror (which was created in Washington), everybody believed their lies.

Now these same goons are asking us to vote for them.

The whole thing about religion is a screen. It's really about money. And this is where these two roads intertwine.

America is on the skids, you may have noticed. It's been a deliberate policy, engineered by the Jewish banking faction that has controlled most of the finances of Western civilization since the 1770s (although Jewish control of Great Britain, through predatory lending goes back at least another century before that).

That Jewish bankers have engineered ALL the wars since that time is, in today's Judaized society, generally classified as an anti-Semitic slur. We non-Jews are subject now to almost automatic imprisonment for merely talking about Jews.

But the fact remains it is a fact, provable, well-documented and available to those who seek, and are not completely comatose from the multilevel Freud/Marx/Einstein indoctrination which has created a permanent cultural slavery for non-Jews. Jewish bankers based in Europe and New York have engineered ALL the wars since that time — the American Civil War, both World Wars, and all the wars since.

Can you count them all? They all have the same genesis. And purpose. To make money the fastest way possible. This policy is consuming the Earth. Israel is clear evidence of this, of what the world will look like if we continue on this course.

This madness of profit, sanctified by the bought-off religions, is about to kill us all. And for all the world, the best way to identify this cancer that threatens all life on this planet is to scrutinize Jewish intentions.

The Talmud desperately needs to be subjected to the very strictures it has imposed on others through these new hate laws. It's like the deal with Israel. Only rights for Jews, all the others are slaves. This is what the entire Jewish community of every country on Earth seeks to impose ... EVERYWHERE.

It's very important that you understand this. Because all else depends on it.

As the late and lamented Stojgniev O'Donnell averred: Everything depends on answering the Jewish question. Otherwise, nothing will be solved.

But things are looking dark that it will ever happen.

In Germany, a lawyer is on trial for defending her client against Jewish mind control lies. The court says she committed a crime by even talking about the alleged crimes her client, Ernst Zündel, supposedly committed.

The lawyer Sylvia Stolz, asks: “Is it even possible to indict a defense attorney for taking his or her professional obligation seriously and doing everything possible to meet those obligations? If the answer to the question is ‘yes’ then the answer is further proof of Talmudic supremacy in Germany. However, it is obvious to all that such tyranny can no longer be called ‘justice.’”

In Canada, a publisher (with a Jewish wife, even) is assailed by Jewish attack dogs. He has said something to offend Jews and is therefore criminally liable. Also in Canada, another writer named Makow who pretends to be a critic of the Jews never draws any criticism from Jews. Why is that?

In the United States, votes disappear on the electronic scoreboard for presidential candidates not pleasing to Jews. Jewish TV networks ban certain candidates who are not pleasing to them, and then — unthinkably — the candidate upon whose candidacy the last fleeting hopes of freedom ride doesn’t even complain about it.

In the Persian Gulf, the U.S. government tells tales about tiny Iranian boats threatening American aircraft carriers who are there doing the work of the Jews. The captain of this fascist flotilla says the incident was no big deal, but the U.S. president – while visiting his real-life masters in Israel — says the event was very close to being an act of war.

It is a 360-degree encirclement of human activity by one small but insane group which happens to control all of the world’s money.

One final example ...

Recently I had the misfortune of attending a Catholic mass in Sarasota, Florida (Church of the Incarnation on Bee Ridge Road, one of those “hip” Catholic churches). Don’t ask me why I went. It’s too long and sad a story.

As we sat in a pew a few rows behind a finely dressed transvestite and a gay piano player, the red-nosed priest in the pulpit told the biblical story of Joshua, and how we should all rejoice at the splendor of his ceaseless killing of the Amalek.

I immediately noticed that he was not calling the characters of the Bible story “Israelites,” as they should be called. Instead, he was calling them “Israelis.”

I leaned over and asked my companion if she knew who the Amalek, the victims of Joshua’s incessant mass murder, actually were. She shook her head.

I informed her that the Amalek were today’s Palestinians, and that the priest was glorifying their murder by Joshua and the “Israelis.” Amalek is a term for all non-Jews, I told her. “We are the Amalek,” I added.

Right about then, I got up and walked out in disgust. My companion followed a few moments later. She collared an off-duty priest on the way out, and asked him why his church was preaching such horrid, pro-war garbage. He replied that the diocese decreed what the priests got to say, and they would be fired if they deviated from this order.

My final thought, as I strode past this devout congregation, was that all these Catholics, heads bowed in religious respect to a doctrine that had been totally twisted by Jewish influence, were all praying for their own murder.

Do you understand? Since Amalek is a Jewish term for all non-Jews, and the priest was glorifying the mass murder of the Amalek by the biblical Joshua, all these pious Catholics were actually praying for their own murder.

Do you really understand?



John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida whose Internet essays have been seen on hundreds of websites around the world. Stay tuned for http://johnkaminski.org/ and catch some of this writer’s recent comments on http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/

[madthumbs]

I used to be huge fan of Alex Jones, still am to a certain extent.

Really? Fake pro-wrestling too?

However this man is lying by omission.

With that statement, one could say you are. Alex Jones flat out lies.

He gives us 85% of details and info.

More like 85% disinfo. Seriously, when he tells people to investigate his claims: he knows they won't. Look at how many people still push his "pull it" lie.

Folks, this man will never point the finger at Israel and Zionism when appropriate, he is a Zionist.

He has been critical of Israel, though mostly in text (do a search why don't you?). Also, instead of parroting what you probably read on another disinfo site, why not show how Alex handles the issue?

Alex Jones: Arabs Own Hollywood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWQR9lCu50

Alex Jones on the Israeli Lobby / Israeli Attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORYNTEYvkI

Now I know Icke makes it clear in his works that this Illuminati/reptilian control is not solely Jewish, its much larger than that and includes gentiles as well as all other expressions of DNA.

Religion! Christians outnumber the Jews, and many are self hating Jew lovers. Jew isn't even a race, it's only a perceived race to suit these racist religions.

JucidialInc is run by Eric Hufschmid who's sister married a Murdoch, who also had his partner tell us to "get your butts to myspace". Eric is one of those who helps to justify hate crime legislation. Also, JudicialInc is nothing ore than a tabloid e-rag full of unverifiable news with a seemingly large budget, yet no named reporters, no large following, no sources, etc.

Iamthewitness now apparently run by Eric's partner Daryl is another hate crime justifying site blaming Jews (as a race) for EVERYTHING. Daryl even recently stated that Christianity and Torah Jews were nothing like Judaism, when in fact they are incredibly intertwined with distinctions being probably less than that between Mormons and Baptists. Daryl has called for the carpet bombing of Israel, and holds all Israelis guilty (ignoring American tax dollars). He appeals to his racist Christian audience (the ones who blame Khazars for killing Jesus), yet mocks them behind their backs. He, like Eric intentionally marginalizes himself keeping his audience small and distanced enough to be ineffective, yet present enough to justify hate crime legislation.

There's a wiki project out there exposing the lies of Daryl Bradford Smith.

The hate crime legislation / racial hate helps cover up one of the most significant pieces of history (always written by the winners) which is the Holocaust. Isn't it convenient for Daryl to live in France, and for Eric to care more about the Moon Landings?

we should be challenging the Alex Jones, the Jordan Maxwells, the David Ickes

Of the 3, which one is exposing the religions that have been used throughout history to control the masses? Religion = Mind Control. Which one promotes religion?

More on Eric Hufschmid and Daryl Bradford Smith (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3364)
Alex Jones Exposed! (http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/)

[nickatnoon61]

If Semitism is attacking your neighbors, brutalizing defenseless, innocent people, taking their land and destroying their homes then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.
If Semitism is spying on your alleged friends, stealing their secrets and selling them for profits or using them against "friends" then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism is assassinating, spying, blackmailing, smearing and worming your way into control of another nation's government then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism is staging false-flag terrorist attacks and blaming them on other nations or people then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism is smearing anyone who dares speak up for justice and freedom in a realistic sense then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism is fooling a nation into doing illegal and unjust military actions for them in which millions are slaughtered then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism is controlling the media and how people perceive the world then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism puts one group of people above others in a "racially superior" sense then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism blackmails and smears public leaders into submission to an agenda that is un-American then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

If Semitism MAKES U.S. leaders put the interests of Israel, an APARTHEID NATION, above those of American citizens then yes, I AM ANTI-SEMITIC.

[ummagumma]

Judea Declares War on Germany

See for yourself: Judea Declares War on Germany - The Real Holocaust
parts 1-9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bScdXLfZY



What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
By Barbara Kulaszka

In recent years, considerable attention has been devoted to the
supposed danger of "Holocaust denial." Politicians, newspapers and
television warn about the growing influence of those who reject the
Holocaust story that some six million European Jews were
systematically exterminated during the Second World War, most of them
in gas chambers.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/denial.shtml

[nickatnoon61]

Judea Declares War on Germany

See for yourself: Judea Declares War on Germany - The Real Holocaust
parts 1-9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bScdXLfZY



What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
By Barbara Kulaszka

In recent years, considerable attention has been devoted to the
supposed danger of "Holocaust denial." Politicians, newspapers and
television warn about the growing influence of those who reject the
Holocaust story that some six million European Jews were
systematically exterminated during the Second World War, most of them
in gas chambers.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/denial.shtml Thanx Ummagumma....Nick.

[nickatnoon61]

Why have Jews been persecuted
I have had this some time and after editing out some of it I have decided to pass it on.
The sender has requested that it be passed on by others.
the Jews had been expelled from 79 countries, some countries more than once. Why?
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By Jayne Gardener


I always used to wonder what it was about Jews that made people throughout history despise them. If they were indeed "God's chosen" I thought, they had to be the unluckiest people in the history of the world.

Why were they persecuted throughout history?

Why had the Nazis herded them into cattle cars and taken them to "extermination camps" to dispose once and for all of the "Jewish problem?"

I suddenly recognized that if Hitler had developed a "Final Solution" to the Jewish question, that there had to have been a "Jewish Problem." Could the Jews have in any way behaved in such a manner that would make the countries in which they resided turn against them, or were they just unfortunate, innocent victims?

I set out to find answers for my questions, mainly turning to the Internet, but also reading various books on the subject. What I found became increasingly disturbing to me.

I had not known that throughout history, the Jews had been expelled from 79 countries, some countries more than once.

I had not known that many of the claims they made about the Holocaust that I had believed unquestioningly for so long were in fact fraudulent.

The books I had read and the movies I had seen about the "Holocaust" and wept over were nothing but thinly veiled attempts to garner unwavering sympathy for the state of Israel and an excuse to extort billions of dollars from Germany and 1.25 billion dollars from the Swiss banks.

I discovered that a book I had read many times as a teenager and cried about, Anne Frank's Diary, had been at least partially written by someone other than Anne Frank.

I learned that the confessions at the Nuremburg Trials and the executions of so many German "war criminals" were were extracted under torture and the defendants were being tried, judged and condemned by their very accusers.

I learned about the "false flag" operations, especially the Lavon affair and the tragedy of the USS Liberty, an American ship that was attacked by the Israelis during the 1967 war. 34 young American men were killed and many more wounded.

To add insult to injury, the Israelis claimed that it was simply an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, something the survivors of the Liberty have always vehemently denied. They, however, were threatened with court martial if they were ever to tell their stories.

I learned about the Jonathan Pollard spy case and other incidents of Israeli Jews spying against their supposed "closest ally."

I became shocked and horrified as I learned about the treatment of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories at the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces and the Jewish settlers. Israel purports to be the only democracy in the middle east, but it's only a democracy for Jews. Non-Jews are not considered equal.

I was saddened to see pictures of innocent Palestinian children burned beyond recognition or suffering from serious gunshot wounds after being targeted by the IDF for no other reason than that they are Palestinian.

I found out about the Jewish history of avariciousness, larceny, lying, manipulation and their questionable and usurious business practices.

I learned about their roles in the radical homosexual movement, the radical feminist movement, the pornography industry as well as their over-representation in the abortion industry.

I discovered their role in organized crime, in the slave trade, in the civil rights movement and in Communism, an ideology that is responsible for the deaths of untold millions and the repression of many millions more.

I learned that it was Jewish supremacists behind the war against Christianity and Christmas. It is they who want God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and all symbols of Christianity removed from public life.

They have driven Christianity from the public schools despite Christianity being the majority religion.

They have taken Christmas out of the public school calendar despite the fact that it is a statutory holiday and it is named Christmas.

I read about the anti-Gentilism and hatefulness of the Babylonian Talmud and their utter disrespect for, and hostility towards Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and Christianity and Christians in general.

I learned about their "chutzpah" in claiming that Gentile lives were worth no more than the lives of barnyard animals but that they considered Jewish lives to be akin to God Himself. It's okay to steal from a Gentile or to kill a Gentile, but Jewish lives are sacred.

I learned of their control of the majority of wealth, the media and academia despite them making up less than 2% of the population (even lower in Canada).

They are behind the ridiculous political correctness movement and hate crime legislation that was drafted so as to silence anyone who might figure out their agenda and attempt to shed light on it.

Men like German Rudolf, David Irving and many more, previously recognized as great historians, were arrested, charged with hate crimes and incarcerated simply for having made academic inquiry into a specific period of history.

Other so called "revisionists" or "holocaust deniers" have been intimidated, harassed, assaulted and smeared simply for trying to get at the truth.

I found out that the Jews are responsible for our wide open immigration policies that have created the nightmare we call "multiculturalism," "diversity," inclusiveness" and "pluralism."

It is mostly they who push for race mixing and miscegenation, knowing full well that it would eventually lead to those of white European descent being minorities in their own countries and the eventual extermination of white European DNA.

It is patently clear that the war in Iraq is due solely to Israel wanting to hobble her enemies by destabilizing their governments in order to achieve hegemony in the middle east.

It would be unthinkable for Israeli Jews to die for this cause, so they manipulated the US into the war with the help of the Jewish Zionist "Israel firsters" in the Bush administration in order that the blood of way too many young American men and women is shed instead.

It is they who control the middle eastern foreign policy of the most powerful country in the world, the USA. It is they who control congress, the senate and the puppet president, George W. Bush.

They have such control in movies and television that we are now subjected to endless programs and Hollywood movies that mock Christianity, Christian values and degrade the traditional family.

After sober reflection on what I had discovered about Jewish supremacy and Zionism, I had to abandon all my previously held notions as to the history of Jewish persecution.

What I have trouble understanding is why they continue this behavior in whichever society they live, knowing that eventually they will overplay their hand and their perfidy will be exposed yet again. Has history taught them nothing?

As more and more people become aware of what is going on and who is responsible for it, anger is going to rise as it already has in the former Soviet Union and eastern European countries.

They may control television, movies and the print media, but they don't control the internet. At least not yet. Blogs and websites devoted to "outing" the Jewish supremacists will ultimately be their downfall.

If everyone who sees this information passes it on to at least one other person, the crimes and misdeeds of the Jewish supremacists and Zionists will be exposed and they will have nowhere to run or hide (except Israel).

Please, do your part. Pass it on. Our world as we know it is counting on you.

Posted by Jayne Gardener

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I do not hate Jews, neither does it seem this person does, it does seem she did her home work. I have known Jews who seemed very nice, and have been stabbed in the back so to speak by some of them as well. I hope I never have to trust one again.

They were never the "chosen people" they were the "Covenant People", however, they for the most part have violated that covenant and apostatized from God and their covenant. "We don't want to be the Lord's people." To each his own.

Most of the time when I get an email about Jews there is something very negative about it, or a bald faced lie, whether put out by them or their enemies. I just don't find anything false in this email.

I read an article one time that 25% of Jews are Atheists - who believe there is no God; 50% are agnostics - they don't know if there is a God or not; and 25% of them believe in God. Of those 25% most do not believe in Christ, their favorite literature is not the Torra which are the first 5 books of the old testament, it is as Jesus put it the "Traditions of men". Jesus said, you make the laws of God of none effect by your tradition. This group of literature is called the "Talmud" a 63 volume set taking up 12 feet of book shelf. Nothing I have read in any of those books contain anything close to what you know about God. In fact, the Talmud is diametrically opposed to the Bible. It is their religion that makes them the way they are - they Apostatized - from God over 2,000 years ago. I find this email very accurate. I know nothing positive to say about this religion / people, by their fruits ye shall know them do men gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles? No they do not.

I have no desire to cause them problems, at the same time I have no desire to protect them nor lie for them.
"A Jew must always try to deceive a Christian."
"Jesus Christ was an illegitimate bastard, the son of a Jewish whore and a Roman soldier, conceived during menstruation and is presently being boiled in human dung for eternity for his sins."
There is nothing wrong with having sex with a girl under 3 because her virginity will grow back, add nausium.
Only Jews have a soul.

As for being the apple of God's eye, that is a quote from the Talmud, written by Rabbis and is the "Traditions of Men".

Henry Ford: A Christian can not look upon his scriptures except through Jewish spectacles.

Think about it boys and girls - 12 feet of book shelf - which is their holy book.
Vengeance is Mine saith the Lord I will repay.

For a version of what the Bible says about them read Revelation 2:9, and 3:9, then read Jeremiah 24 - about 1/2 page.

I am James Elmer :-)
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to be fair to Icke, he is already being targeted by people looking to claim he is anti-semitic, so if he did talk about Israel they will jump all over him saying he is anti-jewish. And I think Alex Jones is doing a fantastic job as well and he has a great website. Now these 2 guys are already covering ALOT of news subjects and there must be huge stress and pressure going along with it. Think about it, they are laready covering so much, 9/11, NWO etc, etc. Why should it be up to them to report about the regime in Israel aswell, aren't they doing enough? They are only human and can only do so much.

You should also be aware that Israel is ruthless in attacking their enemies, if you become well known and start speaking out against them you better be quite sure of your security

Good post.