Is the New World Order/The Elite real? [Archive]

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 12:28 PM

According to Peter J. from Zeitgeist you are a crazy conspiracy theorist, if you believe NWO/Elite are real and they are serious about creating a one world government and reducing population with 80-90%

Peter Joseph on the New World Order - YouTube
Comment to the youtube:
Peter Joseph is my hero, finally a voice of logic and reasoning. Im so tierd of hearing all these other lunatics and their fear mongering ramblings about the NWO. like peter says "it's fucking stupid". If you pay attention to those lunatics, you'll notice none of them ever have any real solutions. Only fear mongering. Just like the same way southeren baptist priest fear monger people into believing in religion to avoid hell. The same way our country was fear mongered into an illegal war.

mikey mikey

12-01-2011, 02:31 PM

You really give me the creeps.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 02:50 PM

You really give me the creeps.

Maybe because you are a creepy person, pretending to be a man of true love(God) and yet you dislike your follow man :D

I don't dislike you. :)

Matthew 7 (King James Version)

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

un_plugged

12-01-2011, 02:53 PM

Peter J. has a point.....

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 02:58 PM

Peter J. has a point.....

So you don't believe NWO and the Elite are real?

firstlook

12-01-2011, 03:25 PM

So you don't believe NWO and the Elite are real?

you polarize these things like its all black and white.

Its okay not to fear the NWO, but instead have compassion for them. That may seem like a cult mentality and identifying with your master, but you have to understand that its not as easy to live in that state of consciousness all the time.

But when it comes to the topic of NWO, it consists of people who are compartmentalized while dealing with their own free will and choices.

The key is to create an environment (ex; Venus project) that removes the rat race and allows those who would normally make bad choices, time to reflect on themselves.

Its not enough to know what the NWO is exactly. You have to be able to create a society that allows the Elite to see themselves in the mirror, when they realize we can function without government, millions of laws, too easily corruptible monetary systems, and see us a New World Consciousness.

Those elite who are truly psychotic will indeed need to be dealt with.

But again this issue is far far wider in scope then you allow in this debate. When PJ says there is no NWO, he is talking about how Controllers are afraid of us. Look at how they protect themselves and assault society. It is not a confident Order, but more so a following of scared individuals controlled by psycho paths.

The key is creating a mind set that keeps things real. Real meaning that Alot of the NWO Elite are making horrible choices in life because they are scared of "society".

Which is a scare tactic and brainwashing mechanism in order to remove morals and such.

I understand your concerns about using "utopia" as another form of control. But you refuse to find middle ground and see how this movement and others like it, have ideas that can be used for positive or negative.

Thats a very guarded and survival mentality. Which is cool bro, except it presents no form of courage to step into a new paradigm.

If you dont want to thats fine, but driving all fear and no positive outlook in these threads is unbalanced and very assuming.

I know you know what I'm talking about because People do it to you on AJ threads. Your doing the same here, but you feel validated because its done to you and is a quick way to get your point across instead of trying to see advantage in ideas.

Imagine something better instead of just defending the same old system.

:)

faustus

12-01-2011, 03:28 PM

He's missed the point.

Whether there is a NWO/Elite is irrelevant.

There are clearly those at there that think there is or is going to be and act according to those beliefs.

Its like asking if you believe in God.
Doesn't matter if YOU don't. There are plenty who do and they act on those beliefs and will affect your life regardless of what you choose to believe.

My own personal belief is that there are many groups out there with their own Agenda's, sometimes overlapping, sometimes at odds with each other, and many of those DO believe in a NWO.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 03:39 PM

firstlook

12-01-2011, 03:55 PM

firstlook,

I don't think you really know how the Elite/New World Order think. They are not scared, power hungry greedy people. THEY HATE SHEEP!

They have a deep passionate HATE towards the sheep types that blindly follow an insane leader and don't stand up for truth.

VOTE FOR FASCISM AND KILL YOURSELF!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qLAIskTQXUc/TOLGapLLHNI/AAAAAAAAEks/c3k55LjwFjI/s1600/aa-naked-body-scanners-line-leading-up-to-one.jpg
New World Order is a system to wipe out the evil pathetic sheep ones and for all and create a new system with 10-20% of those that survive the attack that have strong genes to boost evolution.

They see the planet heading towards idiocracy so they want to do what is necessary to save humanity even though it is a tough thing to do.

What a Rothschild wrote to me:
("testers"the elite)

"The biggest question that humanity has to answer for itself is "Are we cancer or are we medicine?", and not "Where is God?" So far we share more with cancer cells, we're programmed to proliferate and destroy our host (earth). So maybe that little group of "testers" is just functioning as medicine?"

THIS IS THE PROBLEM, NOT CAPITALISM!

I agree with alot of what you say. I dont know why you refuse to link contradictions together and see that they can both exist at the same time.

Also there is no "THE PROBLEM". I would never assume that removing a capitalist structure would solve all problems.

Again you are taking ideas and pitting them against each other.

Me and the Z movement supporters are merely trying to merge contradictions in or to create a balanced outlook that allows people's individual moral compass to have the widest possible outlook and understanding.

We really do agree on so many things. Its just about who's willing to push further, while understanding that there is no Independence day coming.

Its already here in the minds of people who want to create something more free.

And as you would have it, being truly free is not fighting control, but instead CREATING new ideas and problems in order to better our hearts and minds.

Again its all about balance. Perfection is only in balance of the individual's desire.

peace :)

andyh

12-01-2011, 04:04 PM

It's real but it's nothing "new". It's also something the elite do unconciously by instinct, after all, they've been at it for hundreds of years.
IMHO they see us as a burden to be "tolerated" for our uses but they are completely unaware that their own control is inhibiting the advancement of mankind that could be enjoyed by both them and us as a whole.

So tbh I do not believe there is a specific small elite who knowingly have a plan for us all. I believe that there are a few thousand people who are at the top of society and they act according to a paradigm that has existed for a long time and they cannot consider anything else. They are just as much victims as we are.

If you think about it long and hard enough you'll see that is all that the evidence can point towards. The higher up (and very low down) the tree the harder and darker the blinkers come on as the life focus becomes intense.

For example, very poor people don't even know whats going on. They have no knowledge of it all because they don't have a TV...for them, merely surviving is their reason d'etre.

You can find many examples of such "blinkered" behaviour amongst different social classes to varying degrees.
A few break the mould and the pattern but for the most part it remains the same. Unbreakable and static. We are all victims and to some extent merely continue the paradigm by merely doing nothing about it.

The most "cancerous" people are of course the elite. They have all the money and resources and power...yet they do nothing with it to bring on any decent change and instead they blame everyone else.
The blame game is played by everyone really but few will do f*ck all about it.

djhooker

12-01-2011, 04:09 PM

this guy is a doofus, even alex jones schooled him on his show! thats how goofy this guy is.

george hw bush to gordon brown to sarcozy have mentioned the NWO, classic case bush on sept 11 2001.

billzen

12-01-2011, 04:30 PM

this guy is a doofus, even alex jones schooled him on his show! thats how goofy this guy is.

george hw bush to gordon brown to sarcozy have mentioned the NWO, classic case bush on sept 11 2001.

This guy isn't goofy. He's doing exactly what the elite want him to do.

There's two scenarios here.

1) This guy is part of the "in" crowd with the Elite and is doing their bidding. or..

2) This guy is just one of the more vocal sheep and really believes the NWO is a bunch of crap.

Some people just can't handle it when the blanket is lifted off of their "reality" and will do whatever it takes to fight the truth.

I tend to believe option 2.

andyh

12-01-2011, 04:33 PM

this guy is a doofus, even alex jones schooled him on his show! thats how goofy this guy is.

george hw bush to gordon brown to sarcozy have mentioned the NWO, classic case bush on sept 11 2001.

Schooled him? lol, he didn't listen to him at all. Just cut him off and enjoyed it.
(just like he did with Icke but a lot of folk would rather conveniently forget that along with countless other times AJ made a complete prick of himself).
The elite can use the word NWO all they like, nothing has changed much in hundreds of years, the rich still shit on the poor and they would like to carry on doing so.
It's not really that much of a big deal and you don't need an IQ of 200 to see it.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 04:40 PM

Schooled him? lol, he didn't listen to him at all. Just cut him off and enjoyed it.
(just like he did with Icke but a lot of folk would rather conveniently forget that along with countless other times AJ made a complete prick of himself).
The elite can use the word NWO all they like, nothing has changed much in hundreds of years, the rich still shit on the poor and they would like to carry on doing so.
It's not really that much of a big deal and you don't need an IQ of 200 to see it.

Well you have to have a high IQ when Peter J. believes it is a crazy conspiracy to think New World Order or the Elite control the world and cull the public.

He even thinks 9/11 could be as the government said :D

Mo0n5tar

12-01-2011, 04:45 PM

Schooled him? lol, he didn't listen to him at all. Just cut him off and enjoyed it.
(just like he did with Icke but a lot of folk would rather conveniently forget that along with countless other times AJ made a complete prick of himself).
The elite can use the word NWO all they like, nothing has changed much in hundreds of years, the rich still shit on the poor and they would like to carry on doing so.
It's not really that much of a big deal and you don't need an IQ of 200 to see it.
Well said, this Joseph character seems to think it is his turn to eat at the table of the various demagogues.

firstlook

12-01-2011, 04:53 PM

Also, this movement isnt about Peter Joseph. He merely has created a new venue and standing ground for those who have been working these things out in their own minds.

Come to find out, there is more of us dropping the system everyday. We need only the intuition to act upon while respecting others free will.

The simple fact is nothing stays the same forever.

I'm glad for that. :)

andyh

12-01-2011, 05:04 PM

Well you have to have a high IQ when Peter J. believes it is a crazy conspiracy to think New World Order or the Elite control the world and cull the public.

He even thinks 9/11 could be as the government said :D

He's not interested in going into it.
He's interested in a change of the way we live, he's not bothered by minutae because it's a waste of time at the end of the day.
Talk and talk all you like, you won't get anywhere with it.
In that respect, I agree with him.

Were we living very different lives without such govt control and money then 9/11 would never have happened. Of course, to live in such a world would mean the end of conspiracies and I get the distinct impression some would actually not want that, perhaps they enjoy it all? :)

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 05:11 PM

A Venus Project follower.
Take The Venus Project Challenge - Introduction - YouTube
She also uses black magic intellectual rhetoric without saying much.

3:43
"get your facts straight LOL... we really don' have time to compare the Venus Project to big foots and New World Order"

She is a sheep trying to sound intelligent!

andyh

12-01-2011, 05:14 PM

A Venus Project follower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoNsOnj9KpU
She also uses black magic intellectual rhetoric without saying much.

3:43
"get your facts straight LOL... we really don' have time to compare the Venus Project to big foots and New World Order"

quoted so vid shows
She also seems quite straightforward, no black magic there from what I can see.
Then again, in that part she was talking about "opinions" and "facts". If you don't know the difference then it's not black magic, it's merely a case of picking up a bloody dictionary.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 05:53 PM

quoted so vid shows
She also seems quite straightforward, no black magic there from what I can see.
Then again, in that part she was talking about "opinions" and "facts". If you don't know the difference then it's not black magic, it's merely a case of picking up a bloody dictionary.

She explains it so it sounds very intellectual when it's a light cop of tea.

The politicians do the same thing. That is how they get people to vote for them again and again, because people don't understand what they are saying, but it sounds like the politicians understand what they talk about so they most be more intelligent than the general public.

David Icke explained it like this:
How Public Education Controls Your Perception - Mind Control (David Icke) - YouTube

"if there are so called subject matter experts who are legitimate against any monetarily system and establishing of a global resource based economy, why not just come out and say so."

It feels like she uses complicated rhetoric to gain credibility.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
Albert Einstein

andyh

12-01-2011, 05:59 PM

She explains it so it sounds very intellectual when it's a very light cop of tea.

How does any of it sound "intellectual" exactly?
Is it the use of the word "opinion" or "fact" perhaps?!

The politicians do the same thing. That is how they get people to vote for them again and again, because people don't understand what they are saying, but it sounds like the politicians understand what they talk about so they most be more intelligent than the general public.

No, politicians just talk shit and lie as much as possible.
They can't be understood because they don't say anything worth understanding in the first place.

David Icke explained it like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOfRkdVlLZA

"if there are so called subject matter experts who are legitimate against any monetarily system and establishing of a global resource based economy, why not just come out and say so."

It feels like she uses complicated rhetoric to gain credibility.

She just asked a question. And the answer as to why the MSM don't discuss it is as obvious as why they don't discuss David Icke.
Again, she's hardly being "intellectual" there, it was a very very simple question.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
Albert Einstein

Absolutely! And yet few here could discuss Einsteins work...they're quite capable of quoting him from now 'til doomsday though :)

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 06:10 PM

How does any of it sound "intellectual" exactly?
Is it the use of the word "opinion" or "fact" perhaps?!

No, politicians just talk shit and lie as much as possible.
They can't be understood because they don't say anything worth understanding in the first place.

She just asked a question. And the answer as to why the MSM don't discuss it is as obvious as why they don't discuss David Icke.
Again, she's hardly being "intellectual" there, it was a very very simple question.

Absolutely! And yet few here could discuss Einsteins work...they're quite capable of quoting him from now 'til doomsday though :)

I guess we are not smart enough to understand Einstein. Then it is good we have Peter J. that can lead us. :D

andyh

12-01-2011, 06:12 PM

I guess we are not smart enough to understand Einstein. Then it is good we have Peter J. that can lead us. :D

lol :D

I wonder sometimes if you have a severe case of hippopotomonstrosequippeddaliophobia ? ;)

Hope I got that right lol.
It's a wee bit easier than supercalafragalisticexpialidocious.

PJ doesn't lead me btw, I do as I please. The moment I don't like something he says I'll damn well let him know. You can bank on it.

zen_anarchy

12-01-2011, 06:17 PM

in my opinion there is a power elite structure

but as to wether this is the same as the NWO eye in the pyramid moloch worshipping micro chipping millions dead commie boogey man that seems more like a bad guy cult from a cartoon ,i'm not sure

i think that the money markets are manipulated by people and we don't need ancient aliens,devil worshipping cabals and trans-dimensional beings to enable a small group of rich elite to control the masses ,all they need is the banks and the media

anyhoo thats my opinion

nosebleed

12-01-2011, 06:19 PM

NWO - the commonwealth , expanding into a world commonwealth.

It really is that simple , when you tell people its some shadowy elite doing it they think your talking shit , when you tell them its the Royals of Europe and the aristocrats behind the commonwealth expanding , they just say "oh'

one666

12-01-2011, 06:47 PM

andyh

12-01-2011, 06:53 PM

There is a solution to the New world order:http://equillibrium.freeforums.org/

A forum with 10 posts is the solution to the NWO?

jackson82

12-01-2011, 07:07 PM

Yeah he is right enough in that clip. Many people were saying the same thing years ago.

springrain

12-01-2011, 07:09 PM

Sure there's a NWO and the reason it's referred to as such is not because some "conspiracy kook" named it that but because that's what the rep.s of the elite themselves call it (President Bush's speech, et all).

Back to the guy in the video in the OP... I'd never heard of him before. He makes it sound like there are millions and millions of radio talk show hosts focusing on the NWO. Umm... I wish. What he's griping about doesn't happen often enough to gripe about (in the context of repetitiveness), so that alone tells me a bit about his motives.

He thinks it's all a stupid fantasy, good for him. People who like being in the dark, who revel in the spiritual ecstasy of ignorance in general, always scoff at the struggles of others to bring truth to light. They always have that same sneer on their faces or in their voices.

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jackson82

12-01-2011, 07:11 PM

He's not interested in going into it.
He's interested in a change of the way we live, he's not bothered by minutae because it's a waste of time at the end of the day.
Talk and talk all you like, you won't get anywhere with it.
In that respect, I agree with him.

Were we living very different lives without such govt control and money then 9/11 would never have happened. Of course, to live in such a world would mean the end of conspiracies and I get the distinct impression some would actually not want that, perhaps they enjoy it all? :)

I would agree with this, but 9/11 still needs exposing as part of the paradigm shift.

andyh

12-01-2011, 07:17 PM

I would agree with this, but 9/11 still needs exposing as part of the paradigm shift.

Yep. PJ also said he didn't agree with the DEFINITION of the nwo.
He said he sees it as simply the same thing it's always been. As do many on this forum. We already live in the NWO, it's constantly changing but some things always remain the same. It's this little sameness that the elite wish to perpetuate. Mainly money! The whole world uses it, no matter the supposed "type" of government or religion.

9/11 probably does need exposing along with a lot of other stuff.
I doubt 9/11 exposure on its own will change much...there might be a few who would scream at that but you only need look at the present apathy and sheer ignorance to see that it actually will not.
People have to undergo hellish pain and suffering to actually do something about it for the most part.
There are indeed an awakened few who are willing to do something about it and do make an effort but they are few and far between.
For the most part even the so called "truth activists" remain stuck doing nothing more than speaking. There's very little "doing" going on.

jackson82

12-01-2011, 07:21 PM

9/11 probably does need exposing along with a lot of other stuff.
I doubt 9/11 exposure on its own will change much...there might be a few who would scream at that but you only need look at the present apathy and sheer ignorance to see that it actually will not.
People have to undergo hellish pain and suffering to actually do something about it for the most part.

I still think of 9/11 as a keystone, but everything you say here is right also.

I'm not seeing anything to be optimistic about.

john white

12-01-2011, 08:53 PM

According to Peter J. from Zeitgeist you are a crazy conspiracy theorist, if you believe NWO/Elite are real and they are serious about creating a one world government and reducing population with 80-90%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fMURK0boyI
Comment to the youtube:

I get what he is saying... on the one hand "new world order" is a tendency (to globalisation, the corporate model) on the other its a fantasy (lots of dark projection)

And furthermore, he has rationalised the "invisible elite" as... imaginary... because he does not see them

So the New World Order must be imaginary...

But where does this tendancy, that he DOES see, come from?

Sadly, because you know, I'd love it not to be true... it IS true

Over the last few years I've tended to be a bit ambivalent about the depopulation agenda... you know, that its just a theory... but in the last year, I've come to acceptance that it is very real, that its far more advanced than even some of its most strident exposers like to believe, and whether Peter Joseph wants to see it or not... really doesn't matter

Clue: look to manufactured GMO dependency

Of course, on the conspiracy circuit, opinions will split 3 ways... that he is shilling for the NWO... that he simply doesn't see what's going on... or that he is saving us from our dark fantasys

News Flash:

Anyone expecting to be saved from their dark fantasies by someone else is seriously fooling themselves

That's YOUR job

And part of it is seeing what actually is...

Not a world filled with sunshine that we would like to believe

Know Thyself

Step Number One

andyh

12-01-2011, 09:07 PM

I get what he is saying... on the one hand "new world order" is a tendency (to globalisation, the corporate model) on the other its a fantasy (lots of dark projection)

And furthermore, he has rationalised the "invisible elite" as... imaginary... because he does not see them

So the New World Order must be imaginary...

But where does this tendancy, that he DOES see, come from?

Sadly, because you know, I'd love it not to be true... it IS true

Over the last few years I've tended to be a bit ambivalent about the depopulation agenda... you know, that its just a theory... but in the last year, I've come to acceptance that it is very real, that its far more advanced than even some of its most strident exposers like to believe, and whether Peter Joseph wants to see it or not... really doesn't matter

Clue: look to manufactured GMO dependency

Of course, on the conspiracy circuit, opinions will split 3 ways... that he is shilling for the NWO... that he simply doesn't see what's going on... or that he is saving us from our dark fantasys

News Flash:

Anyone expecting to be saved from their dark fantasies by someone else is seriously fooling themselves

That's YOUR job

And part of it is seeing what actually is...

Not a world filled with sunshine that we would like to believe

Know Thyself

Step Number One

You need only look at the alarmingly low fertility rates already present in the western world to see that the depopulation agenda is not merely "going" to happen but is already well underway.
The population will continue to rise for a short while before plummeting drastically.

2.1 Kids: Stable Population - YouTube

Note that the replacement rate is far higher than 2.1 in poorer countries.

It's around 1.2 in places like Poland and Japan, in fact most of the EU does not top 1.8

People are ofc completely unaware of this as the MSM promotes talk of useless eaters and carbon consumers and the need to have less children and the need for women to go to work to make the family finances balance.

The question is really- is this a conscious decision by the elite? Or is this just plain stupidity and lack of foresight?

My bet is actually on the latter...the evidence for it is somewhat overwhelming...

john white

12-01-2011, 09:25 PM

andyh

12-01-2011, 09:35 PM

I'd have to agree Andy that evidence for human stupidity is almost infinate

And yet, if we were defining the human race in one word, "stupid" would probably not be the one to use... more than stupidity is taking place

FWIW, I postulate that we have multiple different approaches to population taking place at the same time... some is population maintenance... so that we dont breed "too fast", so that we dont live "too long", and long term that does have the potential to bring world population down

But there is also the population crash approach too: that's the real depopulation agenda

Bare in mind that Population growth has been driven by the use of petrochemicals (entirely responsible for growth of 4 billion over the 20th century), that petrochemical agriculture is completely unsustainable, that in a closed system what is unsustainable has no future, and the sequestering of seeds, the dependency being created world wide on terminator GMO, and that it will only take hyperinflation coupled with a reduction of GMO seed supply and/or "round up" resistant weeds like the pig weed problem, and world food supply seriously stands on a knifes edge. Using pesticides to decimate bee populations: accident or design? If design, it could very well sabotage the ability of people to grow their own food. Why is the grow your own movement being targeted so savagely? Is it ONLY corporate greed?

BTW Bee population crash linked to pesticides is now proven, cats out the bag on that one

http://www.fastcompany.com/1708896/wiki-bee-leaks-epa-document-reveals-agency-knowingly-allowed-use-of-bee-toxic-pesticide

It's not IF powerful forces are in a position to crash world population or not (in a way that would not trigger nuclear war)

It's whether or not they choose to do it

And that is all

If it is a deliberate strategy, it looks to me like they can do it now, and do it even more if they wait a couple more years to force GM dependency even further into Asia and Europe

The elite are in no rush to do anything.
If they wanted us dead you wouldn't be posting on the forum right now.
There's many ways of killing a shitload of people very quickly than merely meddling with food and going about it in a very convoluted manner.
Lack of water,shelter and even such simple things as sanitation (which is tied in with water again I suppose) kill way quicker than food.

There's also a myriad of biological agents that are quite devastating ofc...

The only evidence I can see atm that is conclusive, is that we are being slowly poisoned and messed with mentally to produce fewer kids.
This infers a desire for slow depopulation on the part of the elite if they are indeed consciously doing it.

Regardless, talking about it will get you nowhere. TZM is the only bunch I've seen thus far that plan to do anything about it all.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 09:45 PM

The elite are in no rush to do anything.
If they wanted us dead you wouldn't be posting on the forum right now.
There's many ways of killing a shitload of people very quickly than merely meddling with food and going about it in a very convoluted manner.
Lack of water,shelter and even such simple things as sanitation (which is tied in with water again I suppose) kill way quicker than food.

There's also a myriad of biological agents that are quite devastating ofc...

The only evidence I can see atm that is conclusive, is that we are being slowly poisoned and messed with mentally to produce fewer kids.
This infers a desire for slow depopulation on the part of the elite if they are indeed consciously doing it.

Regardless, talking about it will get you nowhere. TZM is the only bunch I've seen thus far that plan to do anything about it all.

Peter J. is not doing anything about it, because he doesn't addressing the real issues. He doesn't even believe NWO is real and they want to filter out the bad gene pool from the rest and boost evolution.

Let us put Peter J. through the Sun Tzu - Art Of War formula:

"Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. "

Does Peter J. Know him self?
Does he know the enemy and him self?

john white

12-01-2011, 09:46 PM

The elite are in no rush to do anything.
If they wanted us dead you wouldn't be posting on the forum right now.
There's many ways of killing a shitload of people very quickly than merely meddling with food and going about it in a very convoluted manner.

Ah yes Andy, but all the really obvious ones look like an attack... it lets the cat out of the bag... depopulation via world war was abandoned after WWII because the psychological trauma of mass industrialised war risked the destruction of the social structures the elite rely on for their power base

It has to look "act of God/mother nature"

And it will

john white

12-01-2011, 09:49 PM

Peter J. is not doing anything about it, because he doesn't addressing the real issues. He does not even believe NWO is real and want to filter out the bad gene pool from the rest and boost evolution.

Isn't that interesting?

Mind sets that want to boost "evolution" should not be expected to place large amounts of value on the rights of the individual

andyh

12-01-2011, 09:50 PM

Peter J. is not doing anything about it because he is not addressing the real issues that the New World Order don't just want to kill people. They want to filter out the bad gene pool and boost evolution.

Let us put Peter J. trough the Sun Tzu - Art Of War formula:

"Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. "

Does Peter J. Know him self?
Does he know the enemy and him self?

You don't know the enemy any more than I do or PJ does :)
You might know yourself pretty well though from the research and forum involvement for quite a while.

He is addressing the real issues you mention by suggesting a world without money. Money is the number 1 tool of destruction and has inhibited our advancement for a hell of a long time now. Not only that but he's managed to bring quite a few people together to work on solutions.
You're not making a decent case thus far...what have you done exactly besides whine and moan about it?

All that said the OP asked the question "is the NWO real", you got your answers and didn't bother to address those either.

andyh

12-01-2011, 09:53 PM

Ah yes Andy, but all the really obvious ones look like an attack... it lets the cat out of the bag... depopulation via world war was abandoned after WWII because the psychological trauma of mass industrialised war risked the destruction of the social structures the elite rely on for their power base

It has to look "act of God/mother nature"

And it will

A new bio weapon could be released that kills a lot quite quickly provided you have the antidote (of course lol) and it could well be simply an act of God if you will...
Terrorists could put something in wide open easy to get at water reservoirs..
The list goes on and on.
Thing is, they haven't done it. What they have done is the social engineerig witnessed thus far. However it is somewhat like Huxley envisioned..subtle and slow, yet devastating and without anyone to blame.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 09:54 PM

You don't know the enemy any more than I do or PJ does :)
You might know yourself pretty well though from the research and forum involvement for quite a while.

He is addressing the real issues you mention by suggesting a world without money. Money is the number 1 tool of destruction and has inhibited our advancement for a hell of a long time now. Not only that but he's managed to bring quite a few people together to work on solutions.
You're not making a decent case thus far...what have you done exactly besides whine and moan about it?

All that said the OP asked the question "is the NWO real", you got your answers and didn't bother to address those either.

I know NWO pretty well because I speak with those that praise it and work for the agenda. I have even experienced demon possession and can think like they do with the Luciferian mindset.

Peter J. Is not speaking at all about the Luciferian mindset that is the real reason of the NWO.

The Elite are not interested in money. They can make as much money they like via elite investments I know of. Money and power is not the goal. They have a philosophy.

Do you know why the NWO wants to cull 80-90% of the world population?

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 09:58 PM

A new bio weapon could be released that kills a lot quite quickly provided you have the antidote (of course lol) and it could well be simply an act of God if you will...
Terrorists could put something in wide open easy to get at water reservoirs..
The list goes on and on.
Thing is, they haven't done it. What they have done is the social engineerig witnessed thus far. However it is somewhat like Huxley envisioned..subtle and slow, yet devastating and without anyone to blame.

It would not make any sense to release a bio weapon. This goes much deeper than just reducing population.

firstlook

12-01-2011, 10:05 PM

Peter J. Is not speaking at all about the Luciferian mindset that is the real reason of the NWO.

You cant persecute the NWO for worshiping Lucifer. ;)

andyh

12-01-2011, 10:05 PM

I know NWO pretty well because I speak with those that praise it and work for the agenda. I have even experienced demon possession and can think like they do with the Luciferian mindset.

So you say, yes.

Peter J. Is not speaking at all about the Luciferian mindset that is the real reason of the NWO.

He's not interested in talking, he's interested in "doing".
Alex Jones is interested in continuously talking, it makes a living for him.

The Elite are not interested in money. They can make as much money they like via elite investments I know of. Money and power is not the goal. They have a philosophy.

No money = no power over everyone anymore.
Even a kid could understand that much ;)

Do you know why the NWO wants to cull 80-90% of the world population?

According to the georgia guidestones. It's not necessarily a figure they may aim for or for that matter may even consciously be working towards.
Depopulation is already occuring via reduced fertility as I mentioned earlier.
It'll take a while but rest assured if those rates remain the same for much longer we are in big trouble.

andyh

12-01-2011, 10:09 PM

It would not make any sense to release a bio weapon. This goes much deeper than just reducing population.

To you perhaps.
Not necessarily to some genocidal maniac.
As I said before, the alarmingly low fertility rates will accomplish a much reduced population eventually anyway. My point was that focusing on food alone prevents you from seeing the depopulation that is already happening right now.

The thing is that this is so subtle and so long term that there's no way of trying to pin the blame on anyone. It can simply be put down to human stupidity and the elite would get away with it (if they intended to have done all this in the first place ofc)

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 10:19 PM

So you say, yes.

He's not interested in talking, he's interested in "doing".
Alex Jones is interested in continuously talking, it makes a living for him.

No money = no power over everyone anymore.
Even a kid could understand that much ;)

According to the georgia guidestones. It's not necessarily a figure they may aim for or for that matter may even consciously be working towards.
Depopulation is already occuring via reduced fertility as I mentioned earlier.
It'll take a while but rest assured if those rates remain the same for much longer we are in big trouble.

As Sun Tzu wrote "If you don't know yourself and the enemy you will lose in every battle".

Peter J. does not believe in an Elite/NWO working for an agenda. He even thinks the government may be right about 9/11.

He can do what ever he wants. But if he does not know what the enemy is, then he is doomed to fail along with those following him.

NWO is about exterminating the brainwashed weak pathetic sheep that allow to be manipulated by any charismatic leaders promising them solutions and change.

This is judgment day!(No I am not Christian) well he does not believe in that either. :D

john white

12-01-2011, 10:23 PM

To you perhaps.
Not necessarily to some genocidal maniac.
As I said before, the alarmingly low fertility rates will accomplish a much reduced population eventually anyway. My point was that focusing on food alone prevents you from seeing the depopulation that is already happening right now.

The thing is that this is so subtle and so long term that there's no way of trying to pin the blame on anyone. It can simply be put down to human stupidity and the elite would get away with it (if they intended to have done all this in the first place ofc)

Andy, you are completely right that population control methods are not focused on food... and you are right that if applied long enough, we could maybe see world population drop by a billion through natural processes over the next 50 years... maybe 2 billion in the next 100

But the question is, can the planet take that? Seriously, its alarmingly possible the planet will not, if its about corporate and oil dependency

There is a solution, a real solution, which is set the human free! Free to grow their own food, take responsibility for themselves, develop organic permaculture, communities that are free from dependency and are self managing and resilient

But is setting mankind free something the elites of the world (whether we think of an unseen managing group or traditional power structures) are really willing to do?

There is precious little evidence of that

So, can't keep doing things the way they are doing them indefinitely without fouling up the planet for themselves, won't let go of their power and set the human free...

Guess what other ideas they might envision in response to that problem?

andyh

12-01-2011, 10:24 PM

As Sun Tzu wrote "If you don't know yourself and the enemy you will lose in every battle".

Peter J. does not believe in an Elite/NWO working for an agenda. He even thinks the government may be right about 9/11.

He can do what ever he wants. But if he does not know what the enemy is, then he is doomed to fail along with those following him.

NWO is about exterminating the brainwashed weak pathetic sheep that allow to be manipulated by any charismatic leaders promising them solutions and change.

This is judgment day!(No I am not Christian) well he does not believe in that either. :D

TZM isn't about him. It's about the tens of thousands who make it up and set its direction...and actually a fair few do believe in manipulation of world events by the elite and 9/11 coverup.

andyh

12-01-2011, 10:25 PM

Andy, you are completely right that population control methods are not focused on food... and you are right that if applied long enough, we could maybe see world population drop by a billion through natural processes over the next 50 years... maybe 2 billion in the next 100

But the question is, can the planet take that? Seriously, its alarmingly possible the planet will not, if its about corporate and oil dependency

There is a solution, a real solution, which is set the human free! Free to grow their own food, take responsibility for themselves, develop organic permaculture, communities that are free from dependency and are self managing and resilient

But is setting mankind free something the elites of the world (whether we think of an unseen managing group or traditional power structures) are really willing to do?

There is precious little evidence of that

So, can't keep doing things the way they are doing them indefinitely without fouling up the planet for themselves, won't let go of their power and set the human free...

Guess what other ideas they might envision in response to that problem?

The only solution I have seen that can be quickly implemented is anarcho-syndicalism. Like Mondragon.

firstlook

12-01-2011, 10:27 PM

weak pathetic sheep that allow to be manipulated by any charismatic leaders promising them solutions and change.

hmmm, something tells me your not looking at this topic through understanding eyes.

How can you know thy self through resentment and distrust.

Everyone hurts, its what we create during that hurt that means something.

Calling people weak and pathetic without offering a Actual Solution to help......well you know. ;)

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 10:34 PM

hmmm, something tells me your not looking at this topic through understanding eyes.

How can you know thy self through resentment and distrust.

Everyone hurts, its what we create during that hurt that means something.

Calling people weak and pathetic without offering a Actual Solution to help......well you know. ;)

The mater of fact is that I do understand. I just give a small demonstration of the Luciferian mindset. Can you feel the hate and frustration against the sheep? If you want to understand the "enemy", that is what you need to do. See reality from their point of view.

They just want the pathetic weak sheeple scum exterminate. Plain and simple! They can't stand the sight of them. "I will not share the planet with these primitive lifeforms" as one of the NWO guys I talked with said.

To understand the Luciferian mindset you have to think true love, harmony and then turn it around 180. You want all this but some people are a road block for this to happen. they are stopping humanity from getting paradise with their lazy sheeple attitude. That is why you hate them so passionate. What do you do? You make a death maze so the right people survive and the low level animals kill them selves.

This is New World Order! Not to understand that is suicide.

This sheep is drinking poison and she will laugh at you, if you tried to warn her.

A victim of her own stupidity. Failed in the death maze.
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/28_2007/nn_costello_caffeine_051108.300w.jpg

firstlook

12-01-2011, 10:44 PM

The mater of fact is that I do understand. I just give a small demonstration of the Luciferian mindset. Can you feel the hate and frustration against the sheep? If you want to understand the "enemy", that is what you need to do. See reality from their point of view.

They just want the pathetic weak sheeple scum exterminate. Plain and simple! They can't stand the sight of them. "I will not share the planet with these primitive lifeforms" as one of the NWO guys I talked with said.

Not plain and simple, or else we'd be dead.

Also I have to ask why you think you've talked with the "NWO"?

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 10:56 PM

Not plain and simple, or else we'd be dead.

Also I have to ask why you think you've talked with the "NWO"?
They are using slow kills.

Because I know. Comes from experience and understanding.

firstlook

12-01-2011, 11:00 PM

They are using slow kills.

Because I know. Comes from experience and understanding.

How did it make you feel when you NWO buddy told you how much he hated society?

kobe christ

12-01-2011, 11:04 PM

Why is this even a question?

People don't join this forum because they don't believe it exists.

lmao people are weird.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 11:06 PM

TZM isn't about him. It's about the tens of thousands who make it up and set its direction...and actually a fair few do believe in manipulation of world events by the elite and 9/11 coverup.

They do not understand we have people out there possessed with demons wanting to exterminate pathetic sheeple scum and they create sick perverted ways to do it.

Mercury is good for your children :D
Mercury is good for you! - US Mainstream Media Report, HOW STUPID ARE THE PUBLIC.flv - YouTube

firstlook

12-01-2011, 11:08 PM

People don't join this forum because they don't believe it exists.

.

the question is can you make a change without believing in the NWO.

Thats the underlying debate here.

andyh

12-01-2011, 11:10 PM

They do not understand we have people out there possessed with demons wanting to exterminate pathetic sheeple scum and they create sick perverted ways to do it.

Mercury is good for your children :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyR2XeLjYTU

Yes....thats why they're trying to setup an anarcho-syndicalist business to stop it all. Has any of that sunk in yet? Did you watch the mondragon vid?

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 11:13 PM

Yes....thats why they're trying to setup an anarcho-syndicalist business to stop it all. Has any of that sunk in yet? Did you watch the mondragon vid?

How can they stop anything if they don't understand there are some hateful demon possessed people out there that love to create different ways to manipulate people to kill them selves?
Does your toothpaste contain fluoride? If it does, why do you allow to poison yourself?

Why is it Peter J. is not warning us about it?

andyh

12-01-2011, 11:23 PM

How can they stop anything if they don't understand there are some hateful demon possessed people out there that love to create different ways to manipulate people to kill them selves?

As I said before. The Mondragon staff are almost all self-employed and paying bugger all tax. Mondragon created it's own housing, its own schooling, its own supermarkets, it's own BANKS and it's own healthcare. They have replaced govt for those people in the Basque region who work for Mondragon.

The more businesses that work on this model...the weaker govt gets, the less tax it gets and the more power the people get.

Therefore it is positive change for the better. The video was a BBC Horizon production and an old one but it's probably more important now than ever.

Once more and more people are working for co-ops under such a model then perhaps transition towards a fairer society can occur because literally millions of people will have become self employed and awakened to how they have been robbed for so long by govt and how they DON'T NEED govt anymore...they will only need each other.

radio illuminati

12-01-2011, 11:25 PM

As I said before. The Mondragon staff are almost all self-employed and paying bugger all tax. Mondragon created it's own housing, its own schooling, its own supermarkets, it's own BANKS and it's own healthcare. They have replaced govt for those people in the Basque region who work for Mondragon.

The more businesses that work on this model...the weaker govt gets, the less tax it gets and the more power the people get.

Therefore it is positive change for the better. The video was a BBC Horizon production and an old one but it's probably more important now than ever.

Once more and more people are working for co-ops under such a model then perhaps transition towards a fairer society can occur because literally millions of people will have become self employed and awakened to how they have been robbed for so long by govt and how they DON'T NEED govt anymore...they will only need each other.

Does your toothpaste contain fluoride+aspartame/nutra sweet (artificial sweetener)?

Their solution does not help against this:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

steevo

12-01-2011, 11:54 PM

:o

I'm trying to think up some sort of analogy that fits in with the Peter Joseph stance with regards the Illuminati/New World Order.

ok here it is :-

In the movie "Candyman", the story goes, that if you say "Candyman!" three times, then he will appear.
Peter Joseph doesnt seem to wanna mention the Illuminati :cool: Why is that ? Is he trying to say that if you ignore them, then they lose their power, and will go away ? If so, then he is wrong. But there are situations where if you DO ignore people/adverts/a system, then it will just fade away. But Peter Joseph does not ignore the Illuminati's current system, he talks about it ALL THE TIME! So therefore, he is not trying to making them go away by not mentioning them.

So what is Peter Joseph (that isnt even his real name) trying to achieve by pretending there aint any illuminati or an agenda for a global dictatorship ?

Either he is purposely not mentioning "the Illuminati" because he is frightened of what the consequences will be for him if his DOES mention them, and is therefore living in fear, and therefore he is a manipulators dream come true...

....or he is working for the PTB and doesnt want to give the viewers of the Zeitgeist movies the real truth.

If a new system was to replace this current system (whether it be the communistic Venus Project, or something else), the Illuminati would ALWAYS be waiting to roll an apple to us, to try to tempt us with their shiny things. And because humanity was born and will die with free-will, then we WILL likely take the bait at some stage.....UNLESS we have prior knowledge of how the Illuminati infultrate EVERY system. Why doesnt Peter Joesph want us to be aware of that ? Or maybe the Venus Project has ALREADY been infultrated, or maybe the Venus (lucifer) Project is the Illuminati's NEW WORLD ORDER, just waiting to be implimented. The Luciferian agenda is to take away our free-will - Lucifer believed that humans should NOT have free-will (according to some religious writings).

Sorry for this overly-long post.

andyh

12-01-2011, 11:56 PM

Does your toothpaste contain fluoride+aspartame/nutra sweet (artificial sweetener)?

Their solution does not help against this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31UnGeyPZO4

Thats it. Thats all you can say? lol.

Mondragon or a similar co-op could make and sell fluoride free toothpaste and compete directly with the poisoners.

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:02 AM

:o

I'm trying to think up some sort of analogy that fits in with the Peter Joseph stance with regards the Illuminati/New World Order.

ok here it is :-

In the movie "Candyman", the story goes, that if you say "Candyman!" three times, then he will appear.
Peter Joseph doesnt seem to wanna mention the Illuminati :cool: Why is that ? Is he trying to say that if you ignore them, then they lose their power, and will go away ? If so, then he is wrong. But there are situations where if you DO ignore people/adverts/a system, then it will just fade away. But Peter Joseph does not ignore the Illuminati's current system, he talks about it ALL THE TIME! So therefore, he is not trying to making them go away by not mentioning them.

Well he either talks about them or he doesn't make your mind up :)

So what is Peter Joseph (that isnt even his real name) trying to achieve by pretending there aint any illuminati or an agenda for a global dictatorship ?

Either he is purposely not mentioning "the Illuminati" because he is frightened of what the consequences will be for him if his DOES mention them, and is therefore living in fear, and therefore he is a manipulators dream come true...

....or he is working for the PTB and doesnt want to give the viewers of the Zeitgeist movies the real truth.

Or he just doesn't want to talk about useless crap all day and do something about it instead.

If a new system was to replace this current system (whether it be the communistic Venus Project, or something else), the Illuminati would ALWAYS be waiting to roll an apple to us, to try to tempt us with their shiny things. And because humanity was born and will die with free-will, then we WILL likely take the bait at some stage.....UNLESS we have prior knowledge of how the Illuminati infultrate EVERY system. Why doesnt Peter Joesph want us to be aware of that ? Or maybe the Venus Project has ALREADY been infultrated, or maybe the Venus (lucifer) Project is the Illuminati's NEW WORLD ORDER, just waiting to be implimented. The Luciferian agenda is to take away our free-will - Lucifer believed that humans should NOT have free-will (according to some religious writings).

Sorry for this overly-long post.

It's "infiltrated" btw and no it's not overly long :p

What he's after is anarcho-syndicalism initially for transition to something better. I doubt he'd be alive to see anything like TVP happen.

I could perhaps pontificate about how perhaps the David Icke forum has been "infiltrated" by people who want to do nothing more than find fault and conspiracy in anything and everything and do bugger all about it and thereby allow the elite to get what they want.
Doing such a thing though is paranoia ofc...

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:03 AM

Thats it. Thats all you can say? lol.

Mondragon or a similar co-op could make and sell fluoride free toothpaste and compete directly with the poisoners.

Because it is the truth! You can't solve this situation without addressing the real issue. They want to kill you, if you allow it!

Do you brush your teeth in ratpoison? If yes, then you got your proof, that you allow to be manipulated to kill yourself. What is the solution to that? Know the truth and buy another toothpaste.

http://www.frot.co.nz/wapf/wapf_images_fluoride/Rat.Poison.jpg
Can't you see the sick and twisted irony in this. You buy your own rat poison and brush your teeth in it. Lucifer humor! :D

zen_anarchy

13-01-2011, 12:05 AM

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:06 AM

Because it is the truth! You can't solve this situation without addressing the real issue. They want to kill you, if you allow it!

Do you brush your teeth in ratpoison? If yes, then you got your proof, that you allow to be manipulated to kill yourself. What is the solution to that? Know the truth and buy another toothpaste.

Of course I don't use fluoridated toothpaste, as you know I even moved home to a place with a private well :)

My point is there is an obvious solution to many problems by taking up anarcho-syndicalism and you're doing sweet bugger all about it.

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:08 AM

you should patent that "truth paste " non flouride tooth paste :D

That is a brilliant idea. I will keep it in mind. :D

steevo

13-01-2011, 12:10 AM

Well he either talks about them or he doesn't make your mind up :)

He says that the Illuminati doesnt exist, therefore he says that it irrellivant to mention them in "his" movies. BUT he mentions the current system ALL THE TIME, the current system is run by a group of people - It doesnt matter WHAT these people are labelled, whether it be "illuminati" or something else, but those secretive people DO run this system WITH OUR AQUIESCENCE. But WHY would we aquiesce to this terrible system ? Have we been manipulated ? If so, who by ? The manipulation has to start somewhere - There is a starting point - WHERE DOES IT START ? THAT is where you will find the Illuminati (or whatever you wanna call them).

Peter Joseph doesnt want to address this. Therefore, how can humanity EVER learn from it's previous experiences/mistakes ?

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:13 AM

Of course I don't use fluoridated toothpaste, as you know I even moved home to a place with a private well :)

My point is there is an obvious solution to many problems by taking up anarcho-syndicalism and you're doing sweet bugger all about it.

You don't get it. There are powerful people out there that want to kill you, if you allow it. You need to face this truth, otherwise you are open for attack.

The darkness can only exist if no one lights it up and expose it. Creating an utopia does not make the evil go away.

Our "enemy" is Lucifer him self or should I say our teacher, teaching us something important.

The solution is simple. Face the truth or die!

We are in Judgment day! Do you understand?

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:18 AM

He says that the Illuminati doesnt exist, therefore he says that it irrellivant to mention them in "his" movies. BUT he mentions the current system ALL THE TIME, the current system is run by a group of people - It doesnt matter WHAT these people are labelled, whether it be "illuminati" or something else, but those secretive people DO run this system WITH OUR AQUIESCENCE. But WHY would we aquiesce to this terrible system ? Have we been manipulated ? If so, who by ? The manipulation has to start somewhere - There is a starting point - WHERE DOES IT START ? THAT is where you will find the Illuminati (or whatever you wanna call them).

Peter Joseph doesnt want to address this. Therefore, how can humanity EVER learn from it's previous experiences/mistakes ?

It's pretty obvious it all started with the Greeks.
As for PJ not mentioning it or perhaps not seeing it, I really couldn't give a rats ass. As I said before, I'm trying to do something about all of it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151112

^There it is.

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:22 AM

It's pretty obvious it all started with the Greeks.
As for PJ not mentioning it or perhaps not seeing it, I really couldn't give a rats ass. As I said before, I'm trying to do something about all of it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151112

^There it is.

To do something about it is simple. TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

Do you understand the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day?

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:22 AM

You don't get it. There are powerful people out there that want to kill you, if you allow it. You need to face this truth, otherwise you are open for attack.

The darkness can only exist if no one lights it up and expose it. Creating an utopia does not make the evil go away.

Our "enemy" is Lucifer him self or should I say our teacher, teaching us something important.

The solution is simple. Face the truth or die!

We are in Judgment day! Do you understand?

"judgement day" , "die" "fear fear fear"

All bollocks. If they wanted to kill us all they'd have got it over with a long time ago. David Icke doesn't live in fear of them, neither do I.
I do what I can about my situation and I try to help others.
All you do is talk and if it isn't about a pile of symbols or pictures then it's about private chats you have with the rothschilds.
Thats not exactly helping much tbh.

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:23 AM

To do something about it is simple. TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

Do you understand the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day?

Just WTF does that have to do with my post you quoted?
Could you at least address what I typed and answer it without this religious babble?

steevo

13-01-2011, 12:23 AM

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:26 AM

"judgement day" , "die" "fear fear fear"

All bollocks. If they wanted to kill us all they'd have got it over with a long time ago. David Icke doesn't live in fear of them, neither do I.
I do what I can about my situation and I try to help others.
All you do is talk and if it isn't about a pile of symbols or pictures then it's about private chats you have with the rothschilds.
Thats not exactly helping much tbh.

It is not fear to face the TRUTH? Are you afraid of Lucifer? I am not! I don't fear demons even-though I have experienced demon possession.

If you can't accept the truth, then you will be an easy target when things heat up. The reason why is because they test your soul and push you as hard as you need to be pushed, so you accept the truth!

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:26 AM

The tools that enslave us are :-

- Money
- Manufactured scarecity (mainly of food, but other resources too), and money can be a big factor in this man
- Tyrants, and those who are in the pay of the tyrants (in a system that uses money, or a system that does NOT use money).
- manipulation of human minds (greed; ignorance; hatred; fear; apathy; dumbing down etc)
- fear (mainly due to manipulation)
- maybe there are other factors too

Who is orchestrating this - Who is at the very top of the pyramid ?

Couldn't agree more with that. Spot on.
As for who's doing it and who is at the top of the tree...well no-one knows.
You'll be waiting from now til doomsday to get a decent answer to that question with solid evidence.
The only answer you can get from whats available is that a pile of rich barstewards are behind most of it and an even bigger pile that suck up to them and in turn an even bigger pile who suck up to that lot.
Does there have to be 1 person behind all of it?

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:27 AM

It is not fear to face the TRUTH? Are you afraid of Lucifer? I am not! I don't fear demons even-though I have experienced demon possession.

If you can't accept the truth, then you will be an easy target when things heat up. The reason why is because they test your soul and push you as hard as you need to be pushed, so you accept the truth!

Lucifer = religious myth.

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:28 AM

Just WTF does that have to do with my post you quoted?
Could you at least address what I typed and answer it without this religious babble?

You said you want solutions. The solution is simple. WAKE THE F* UP TO THE TRUTH!

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:31 AM

Lucifer = religious myth.

"If you know the enemy
and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a
hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy,
for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will
succumb in every battle.
"
You clearly don't know the "enemy" or yourself. If you want to pass the test on your soul, you better wake up!

These guys don't care if you think Lucifer is real or not.
http://www.greatdreams.com/political/bohemian1990.jpg

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:32 AM

You said you want solutions. The solution is simple. WAKE THE F* UP TO THE TRUTH!

You haven't posted any "truth". Just opinions with nothing to back it up.
The bible would perhaps back you up with Lucifer but it's hardly admissable as evidence is it?

Even then, "waking up" to some truth as many on this forum say it so often isn't going to help much either.

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:34 AM

"If you know the enemy
and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a
hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy,
for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will
succumb in every battle.
"
You clearly don't know the "enemy" or yourself. If you don't want to pass the test on your soul you better wake up!

Save the spam.
Everything you have posted for the past 20 minutes means absolutely nothing.
You're beginning to sound like one of these religious cultists. Are you the one that got away from Waco?

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:38 AM

Save the spam.
Everything you have posted for the past 20 minutes means absolutely nothing.
You're beginning to sound like one of these religious cultists. Are you the one that got away from Waco?

The truth is that the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day!

It is such an easy solution to just accept this.

Evidence?? Do you have dirt in your eyes? Your soul knows this is the truth. Feel it intuitively.

No I am not a Christian

firstlook

13-01-2011, 12:38 AM

The tools that enslave us are :-

- Money
- Manufactured scarecity (mainly of food, but other resources too), and money can be a big factor in the manufactured scarcity
- Tyrants, and those who are in the pay of the tyrants (in a system that uses money, or a system that does NOT use money).
- manipulation of human minds (greed; ignorance; hatred; fear; apathy; dumbing down etc)
- fear (mainly due to manipulation)
- maybe there are other factors too

Who is orchestrating this - Who is at the very top of the pyramid ?

If you know the tools that enslave us, then maybe thats more important then who.

Because when I plant my own food, I'm not sure who I'm fighting against. I merely am trying to better myself and my own situation.

You dont do good things because it hurts the other side, you do it in order to establish your own means of defense.

People on this forum yell that we are all vulnerable and yet refuse to build something protective and genuine.

Its not Utopia, its just something where we can take a shot at creating something.

Like Andyh says, its about doing something........

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:40 AM

If you know the tools that enslave us, then maybe thats more important then who.

Because when I plant my own food, I'm not sure who I'm fighting against. I merely am trying to better myself and my own situation.

You dont do good things because it hurts the other side, you do it in order to establish your own means of defense.

People on this forum yell that we are all vulnerable and yet refuse to build something protective and genuine.

Its not Utopia, its just something where we can take a shot at creating something.

Like Andyh says, its about doing something........
You don't do something, without knowing what the real problem is.

Do you accept the truth that the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day?
Mason - Shriner claims to be Lucifer - YouTube

firstlook

13-01-2011, 12:43 AM

You don't do something, without knowing what the real problem is.

Do you accept the truth that the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day?

Yes, now what?

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:46 AM

You don't do something, without knowing what the real problem is.

Do you accept the truth that the "enemy" is Lucifer and you are in judgment day?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

Religious fecking fruitcakes.
They're everywhere....

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:46 AM

Yes, now what?

Do you accept the truth that those in power are demon possessed luciferians and they want to kill you and your family if you allow it?

steevo

13-01-2011, 12:47 AM

Couldn't agree more with that. Spot on.
As for who's doing it and who is at the top of the tree...well no-one knows.
You'll be waiting from now til doomsday to get a decent answer to that question with solid evidence.
The only answer you can get from whats available is that a pile of rich barstewards are behind most of it and an even bigger pile that suck up to them and in turn an even bigger pile who suck up to that lot.
Does there have to be 1 person behind all of it?

Ok we are getting somewhere now. You are now admitting that there are secretive people orchestrating the system. Why would they not orchestrate the Venus Project ? - THAT is the question that Peter Joseph and Fresco (and you....sorry Andy, and other VP fans) dont want to address. Your answer to this is that a computer makes all the decisions :D Sorry but that is laughable, and only a school kid MIGHT be taken in by THAT explanantion. Sorry but it's soooo FUNNY lol :D

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 12:47 AM

Religious fecking fruitcakes.
They're everywhere....

You don't understand my point. The higher levels of masonry and other secret societies are Luciferians and they get demon possessed.

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:54 AM

Ok we are getting somewhere now. You are now admitting that there are secretive people orchestrating the system. Why would they not orchestrate the Venus Project ? - THAT is the question that Peter Joseph and Fresco (and you....sorry Andy, and other VP fans) dont want to address. Your answer to this is that a computer makes all the decisions :D Sorry but that is laughable, and only a school kid MIGHT be taken in by THAT explanantion. Sorry but it's soooo FUNNY lol :D

Sigh.
My answer to a lot (not all) of the worlds problems is anarcho-syndicalism.
Which I linked further back up the thread.
If someone tries to infiltrate it then it's up to people to recognise it and root it out, same as ever.

A computer does not make all the decisions in anarcho-syndicalism, it's about business run by people who own it.

TVP would possibly have a computer that keeps a db of resources and suggestions as to how to use it but nothing more. That said, I doubt it's going to happen for a very long time.

It might be funny to you but you obviously haven't looked into any of it, so I'm not surprised. I would find the notion of a society run entirely by computer bloody hilarious too.

andyh

13-01-2011, 12:55 AM

You don't understand my point. The higher levels of masonry and other secret societies are Luciferians and they get demon possessed.

As are no doubt muslims.

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 01:04 AM

As are no doubt muslims.

In Islam Iblis(lucifer) and al-shaitan(Satan) are the same.

steevo

13-01-2011, 01:05 AM

Sigh.
My answer to a lot (not all) of the worlds problems is anarcho-syndicalism.
Which I linked further back up the thread.
If someone tries to infiltrate it then it's up to people to recognise it and root it out, same as ever.

Yes "same as ever", same as now. But peter Joseph dont seem to realise that this current system has been infultrated/orchestrated by a secretive group :rolleyes:

A computer does not make all the decisions in anarcho-syndicalism, it's about business run by people who own it.

TVP would possibly have a computer that keeps a db of resources and suggestions as to how to use it but nothing more. That said, I doubt it's going to happen for a very long time.

It might be funny to you but you obviously haven't looked into any of it, so I'm not surprised. I would find the notion of a society run entirely by computer bloody hilarious too.

I have done quite alot of research into the Venus Project. So get your facts right please.
Sigh.

andyh

13-01-2011, 01:09 AM

Yes "same as ever", same as now. But peter Joseph dont seem to realise that this current system has been infultrated/orchestrated by a secretive group :rolleyes:

Infiltrated a hell of a long time ago. So long ago in fact that it's a part of life.
Talking about it won't get you anywhere mind.

I have done quite alot of research into the Venus Project. So get your facts right please.
Sigh.

Yes I'm sure you have, just like you watched the mondragon vid...

jiffy

13-01-2011, 01:10 AM

Very difficult to judge without further questioning, I agree with some of his sentiments.
In my opinion it is important to differentiate between the Elite and the whole NWO conspiracy.

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 01:12 AM

Infiltrated a hell of a long time ago. So long ago in fact that it's a part of life.
Talking about it won't get you anywhere mind.

Yes I'm sure you have, just like you watched the mondragon vid...

It is easy to infiltrate when people don't want to see Lucifer in plan view:

The statue of Lucifer in plan view given by French Luciferian Freemasons.
http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/new-york/images/s/new-york-statue-of-liberty.jpg

edit

13-01-2011, 01:16 AM

when we now know that we are all in the multiple time-loops every ;moment; in the flow of sum new soulish mind glow to and fro
...that would mean what exactly for the ones that are masons ..as us

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 01:19 AM

Andyh,

Don't you see Babylon in plain view?

EU Parliament
http://www.denmarkonline.dk/sites/all/modules/htmlarea/xinha-nightly/plugins/ImageManager/demo_images/EU.jpg
Babylon painting:
http://bilder.vgb.no/8970/4col/img_442941b5f24ae.jpg
Official EU poster:
http://bilder.vgb.no/8970/4col/img_4429067786def.jpg
Notice the satanic stars and the bible reference "Europe many tongues one voice"

God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis 11:5-8).

firstlook

13-01-2011, 01:24 AM

Do you accept the truth that those in power are demon possessed luciferians and they want to kill you and your family if you allow it?

yes, now what?

andyh

13-01-2011, 01:25 AM

Andyh,

Don't you see Babylon in plain view?

Yep, there are many symbols all over the place.
Knowing about them changes nothing. Like I said before, if you don't do something about it other than merely talking about the elite then you will get nowhere.
Its been done to death, we know all this. I've been on this forum and studying this for yonks. I don't want to see it anymore, I'd rather do something about it.
To do that you have to remove their power.
A simple way is to become self-employed, which is great but it only saves you paying taxes which help govt. What about all the rest?
If we can start up a co-op business that helps the unemployed and makes them all self-employed then it's a serious kick in the nuts for the elite.
It's not the be all and end all, but it's a start.
So if you're not willing to be involved and you wish to derail things constantly then I have to ask...who do you work for?

steevo

13-01-2011, 01:26 AM

Infiltrated a hell of a long time ago. So long ago in fact that it's a part of life.
Talking about it won't get you anywhere mind.

Yes I'm sure you have, just like you watched the mondragon vid...

Huh ?:confused:

Anyway, the point is, that if humanity came up with a system that we felt we wanted to go with, I'm sure that it would run a trillion times better if the Illuminati wasnt at the helm. And to ensure that they are NOT at the helm, then we have to first understand ourselves, and then understand the tactics that the Illuminati (or whatever you wanna call 'em) use to infiltrate our psyche.......But obviously if the Illuminati dont exist ;):D as Peter Joseph reckons, then we can just plod along, unaware, and ignorant of how we are able to be manipulated to give up our freedom, in exchange for shite. Ignorance is bliss, until one day.....

radio illuminati

13-01-2011, 01:30 AM

Yep, there are many symbols all over the place.
Knowing about them changes nothing. Like I said before, if you don't do something about it other than merely talking about the elite then you will get nowhere.
Its been done to death, we know all this. I've been on this forum and studying this for yonks. I don't want to see it anymore, I'd rather do something about it.
To do that you have to remove their power.
A simple way is to become self-employed, which is great but it only saves you paying taxes which help govt. What about all the rest?
If we can start up a co-op business that helps the unemployed and makes them all self-employed then it's a serious kick in the nuts for the elite.
It's not the be all and end all, but it's a start.
So if you're not willing to be involved and you wish to derail things constantly then I have to ask...who do you work for?

If you know the truth that Lucifer is the "enemy" and you are being tested on your soul. Then you will also understand that you ALLOW them to do evil things against you.

The Elite has no power, if you are aware of who the "enemy" is and keep an eye on these people to protect yourself from their death traps.

These people are doomed because they give their powers away to Lucifer and allow them selves to be radiated by x-rays.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Lz4t8KntzIRmpM:http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/naked-body-scanners-line-leading-up-to-one.jpg&t=1
Why do they do this to them selves? Because they don't want to face Lucifer.

To accept the truth will set us free. New World Order is build by all the blind people out there that want to live in ignorance. You can't save them if they will not accept the truth.

They have free will and you can't force them into freedom. They have chosen to serve Lucifer!

andyh

13-01-2011, 01:33 AM

Huh ?:confused:

Mondragon is that big corporate in the Basque region that is already running it's own little version of society. Hence all that anarcho-syndicalism I mentioned again and again above and hence why I said you hadn't bothered to watch the vid.

Anyway, the point is, that if humanity came up with a system that we felt we wanted to go with, I'm sure that it would run a trillion times better if the Illuminati wasnt at the helm. And to ensure that they are NOT at the helm, then we have to first understand ourselves, and then understand the tactics that the Illuminati (or whatever you wanna call 'em) use to infiltrate our psyche.......But obviously if the Illuminati dont exist ;):D as Peter Joseph reckons, then we can just plod along, unaware, and ignorant of how we are able to be manipulated to give up our freedom, in exchange for shite. Ignorance is bliss, until one day.....

You never will understand the elite. You'll still be talking about it when you're retired :)
At any point you might "think" you do but you can never know whats really going on unless you're actually a part of it. Even then lets say you tell others, how do you prove it all?

There are just the basics to understand, which you already listed including money and artifical scarcity and the whole overpopulation crap and global warming bollox.

You just do what you can about it at the end of the day, hence the anarcho-syndicalism idea.

steevo

13-01-2011, 01:44 AM

Mondragon is that big corporate in the Basque region that is already running it's own little version of society. Hence all that anarcho-syndicalism I mentioned again and again above and hence why I said you hadn't bothered to watch the vid.

You never will understand the elite. You'll still be talking about it when you're retired :)
At any point you might "think" you do but you can never know whats really going on unless you're actually a part of it. Even then lets say you tell others, how do you prove it all?

There are just the basics to understand, which you already listed including money and artifical scarcity and the whole overpopulation crap and global warming bollox.

You just do what you can about it at the end of the day, hence the anarcho-syndicalism idea.

You seem to be trying to convince people on here that there are some things that we dont NEED to know. I think that we can decide for OURSELVES what we need to know. We NEED to know about the Illuminati as far as I'm concerned, and it aint hard to have a basic understanding of the Illuminati, and I think that most people on here know sufficient for them to get by - Maybe you will ridicule me for making a comment like that Andy ?

Anyway, we can make our own decisions, thank you. Peter Joseph can take his beliefs and shove them where the sun dont shine, and stop trying aggressively ridicule people who think that he is economical with the truth.

btw, why would I want to watch that video that you recommended ? I dont need to be spoon fed this sort of crap. I will decide for myself what videos are worth watching, but thanks for recommending it :)

nosebleed

13-01-2011, 01:46 AM

People are always shouting about de-population and fear mongering , but what they are not telling you is that they want the population down to low levels in about 50 year.

One generation dies of the upcoming one to be controlled through sterilization , listening to AJ , he makes you think they are going to nuke whole cities to do it.

Na they are long term planners , who will do it in generationally. forced one child policies etc.

firstlook

13-01-2011, 01:52 AM

there seems to be a disconnect here.

Between Understanding your enemy and from Reacting to your enemy.

Where does the line get drawn?

Why do I have to know about the Illuminati to be healthy. I dont, I can go listen to Bruce Lipton talk about perception and healthy living without having to know WHO is against this.

does this make sense? yes, yes it does.

Now, this doesn't imply ignorance but instead intelligence. Why?

BECAUSE IM BETTERING MY OWN SITUATION. AND I DID IT WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHO CONTROLS SOCIETY.

AMAZING! :eek:

andyh

13-01-2011, 01:55 AM

btw, why would I want to watch that video that you recommended ? I dont need to be spoon fed this sort of crap. I will decide for myself what videos are worth watching, but thanks for recommending it :)

For all the reasons I gave above several times about anarcho-syndicalism.
It's an old BBC Horizon program about the company Mondragon in the Basque region. It has nothing to do with TVP etc for the mo, so you're safe.

I'm not ridiculing you about what you need to know etc.
You should know when enough is enough to act on it though.

andyh

13-01-2011, 01:56 AM

steevo

13-01-2011, 01:57 AM

This is what i think about Zeitgeist and the Venus Project :-

They are especially aimed at innocent, well meaning school kids and people who want to be spoon fed information, and who have not yet developed a mind of their own, and who are easily taken in, people who want to be told what to think, and what NOT to think.

The Zeitgeist movies (and Peter Joseph) do not dare mention the Illuminati without aggressively ridiculing anyone who may potentially want to take the subject of the Illuminati seriously. So they simply dont mention it in the movies, because if they did, it would innitiate conversations and discussions about that subject, and it would lead to the Zeitgeist movement and the Venus Project falling flat on it's arse, where it belongs.

verndewd

13-01-2011, 02:00 AM

You really give me the creeps.

he doesnt give me the creeps :D

Though at times I think hes a bit amiguous about which side he is on.

crisitunity

13-01-2011, 02:14 AM

Sounds to me like someone let their ego take completely over their mind.

(hint: its probably the guy talking in that vid.)

firstlook

13-01-2011, 02:14 AM

he doesnt give me the creeps :D

Though at times I think hes a bit amiguous about which side he is on.

hehe, great minds think alike. So many factions, arent there?

:D

firstlook

13-01-2011, 02:17 AM

jackson82

13-01-2011, 08:50 AM

As I said before. The Mondragon staff are almost all self-employed and paying bugger all tax. Mondragon created it's own housing, its own schooling, its own supermarkets, it's own BANKS and it's own healthcare. They have replaced govt for those people in the Basque region who work for Mondragon.

The more businesses that work on this model...the weaker govt gets, the less tax it gets and the more power the people get.

Therefore it is positive change for the better. The video was a BBC Horizon production and an old one but it's probably more important now than ever.

Once more and more people are working for co-ops under such a model then perhaps transition towards a fairer society can occur because literally millions of people will have become self employed and awakened to how they have been robbed for so long by govt and how they DON'T NEED govt anymore...they will only need each other.

This does sound very good, I'll try to dig out the vid. We absolutely need to change this could be the answer.