more David Wilcock...

[thirdwave]

some interesting stuff he brings up... about 2 types of illuminti groups.. one that actualy does not want a NWO ... and much more...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcVqG0AF50

[cleft_asunder]

I'll check it out when I can. Thanks mate.

[strider]

Cheers for that, I'm right into listening to what this bloke has to say at the minute..

He does actually go a little bit into that on the other vids cleft posted, about how there are a lot of people inside the illuminati desperate to get out but are just too afraid.. He says he has met a fair few of them.. Would love to know in more detail..

[lookfar]

Great stuff, thanks honey I'm gonna go check that out soon!!:) I really like DW, he has some wonderful information for sure!!:D

[thirdwave]

I am getting a good vibe from him.... he actually makes time travel very realistic...

[strider]

he's got some really decent info on montauk as well.. I've looked into that for quite a while and it's just a minefield of dis info..

Def a good guy imo..

[thirdwave]

its odd how people like this sound more and more down to earth nowadays... yeara go these kind of people were just crazy distant people... now they get to make decent DVDs that get lots of exposure...

[revelations]

Cheers for that mate!
QUOTE=thirdwave;205122]some interesting stuff he brings up... about 2 types of illuminti groups.. one that actualy does not want a NWO ... and much more...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcVqG0AF50[/QUOTE]

[strider]

its odd how people like this sound more and more down to earth nowadays... yeara go these kind of people were just crazy distant people... now they get to make decent DVDs that get lots of exposure...

Dunno, they've always sounded normal to me.. Or is that sayin something :rolleyes::D

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

its odd how people like this sound more and more down to earth nowadays... yeara go these kind of people were just crazy distant people... now they get to make decent DVDs that get lots of exposure...

I agree completely. Personally I think it's the vibrational changes in energy that are occuring in the lead up to 2012, causing us to shed the layers of amnesia and ignorance that have confined us for so long. Things that we always realised deep down, consciously or otherwise, are rising to the surface, making ideas that would once have been considered 'out there', seem more plausible...

Just my opinion...

[cleft_asunder]

I agree completely. Personally I think it's the vibrational changes in energy that are occuring in the lead up to 2012, causing us to shed the layers of amnesia and ignorance that have confined us for so long. Things that we always realised deep down, consciously or otherwise, are rising to the surface, making ideas that would once have been considered 'out there', seem more plausible...

Just my opinion...

I must agree, although I'm not sure. To me it seems like more and more people are opening up to this info these days as opposed to the past.

[clipwip]

Wow, there's 14 ten-minute segments to that. Just finished them all. That's the second long interview with Wilcock I've heard and he really blows my mind. I read a lot of his "Ascension 2000" material which was on the web awhile ago. I don't know if it's still up (this was in about 2003). I have it somewhere in my archives, I'll have to dig it up. I wish I had that kind of knowledge under my belt.

I've been very skeptical about the 2012 phenomenon b/c it seems to be so over-hyped and virtually solely based on the Mayan calender and only vaguely hinted at elsewhere, but Wilcock really seems to give it a lot of weight, though much of his evidence on it is based on very anonymous "black-op" and so forth sources. At any rate, I don't think I would do anything differently whether or not it was an absolute fact or not. Irregardless of this phenomenon, spiritual development is the essential reason for life, and it shouldn't matter whether or not you're going to live for 100 yrs or only 5.

I've also been reading a lot of the Law of One material lately that he referred to. That stuff is great. Heavily recommends meditation as the most important way to develop. To me, it is very important b/c it considers history, earth changes, etc. as rather trivial and really of no consequence to your spiritual development. I've been having a hard time with that notion b/c I've been spending such an inordinate time untangling the web of historical fiction and fact which ultimately ends in a variable probability of what did or did not happen and how and so forth. This seems to further ensare me into a false perception of the significance of time to ultimate reality when it is really only a prop for experience in this "density." Once you understand the irrelevance of time, you no longer need to place such significance on evaluting what happened when, why, if, therefore, etc. It is important to an extent, but when it diverts your attention from understanding yourself, it becomes a hindrance.

[abhie]

The complete David Wilcock:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Wilcock&search=Search

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

The complete David Wilcock:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Wilcock&search=Search

Wow. I've watched all of these in the last two days. Very interesting stuff...

[strider]

The bloke is a genius in my opinion.. Everyone should at least hear this guy out..

[thirdwave]

Dunno, they've always sounded normal to me.. Or is that sayin something :rolleyes::D

:)

I do remember a time where they looked crazy.. although I cant say i actually listened... that being said I always viewed the UFO thing as very real.... was just logical

[abhie]

I dunno about David Wilcock. He comes off as saying the same old stuff.
Nothing new, nuff said.

[thirdwave]

what I found very interesting and something I have always imaged to be the case is that like he says... not all of the illumianti groups are in harmony with each others... not all have the same visions...

and this would explain why some things that we would see as truth are being pushed, while other smiler things are not...

many view them with a very sceptical mind because of the companies behind them... when the simple fact is although they will all generally have selfish goals... I think and have felt allot that some people within the illuminati actually think it is good for allot of us to wake up....

[strider]

I dunno about David Wilcock. He comes off as saying the same old stuff.
Nothing new, nuff said.

Well, care to share with us who you have been listening to or reading?

[strider]

what I found very interesting and something I have always imaged to be the case is that like he says... not all of the illumianti groups are in harmony with each others... not all have the same visions...

and this would explain why some things that we would see as truth are being pushed, while other smiler things are not...

many view them with a very sceptical mind because of the companies behind them... when the simple fact is although they will all generally have selfish goals... I think and have felt allot that some people within the illuminati actually think it is good for allot of us to wake up....

Yeah, and I found it very interesting that he said that the majority of the 'illuminati' seriously do not want to be involved, but are forced from a very early age (which we know mostly anyway) yet are too afraid to break away due to the consequences..

A saying I come across lately which I think is so true, and even though it sounds very basic, is that 'there are bad goodies and good baddies'..

Not everyone on the other side is the enemy and I've been convinced for a long time, and have seen and heard things to convince me further, is that there are people working from the inside to try and bring the whole thing down..

[thirdwave]

Yeah, and I found it very interesting that he said that the majority of the 'illuminati' seriously do not want to be involved, but are forced from a very early age (which we know mostly anyway) yet are too afraid to break away due to the consequences..

A saying I come across lately which I think is so true, and even though it sounds very basic, is that 'there are bad goodies and good baddies'..

Not everyone on the other side is the enemy and I've been convinced for a long time, and have seen and heard things to convince me further, is that there are people working from the inside to try and bring the whole thing down..

well if we are going through a vibrational change and they have many people in their system like you and i then they may well be on a weak footing as we get closer... and this may well be why so many mistakes are being made on their part.... maybe the closer we get to change, the more cold feet in their camp.... I guess their is always time for all of us to change...

[clipwip]

Well, so impressed have I been, that I just dropped $60 for the Full Combo Pack of The Science of Peace (3 CDs of Wilcock talking with background music and 2 CDs worth of music). It was mostly the music I was interested in, but I certainly want to hear more of what he has to say. But usually, I'd rather just read b/c it's faster.

[strider]

well if we are going through a vibrational change and they have many people in their system like you and i then they may well be on a weak footing as we get closer... and this may well be why so many mistakes are being made on their part.... maybe the closer we get to change, the more cold feet in their camp.... I guess their is always time for all of us to change...

Yup for sure.. Very very interesting times we live huh..

[strider]

Well, so impressed have I been, that I just dropped $60 for the Full Combo Pack of The Science of Peace (3 CDs of Wilcock talking with background music and 2 CDs worth of music). It was mostly the music I was interested in, but I certainly want to hear more of what he has to say. But usually, I'd rather just read b/c it's faster.

Yeah, I´m really tempted to get a hold of that also.. I did look for a torrent I have to admit but couldn´t find one, though I wouldn´t begrudge paying for it one bit..

[cruise4]

"Not everyone on the other side is the enemy and I've been convinced for a long time, and have seen and heard things to convince me further, is that there are people working from the inside to try and bring the whole thing down.."

This is definately the case. Make sure you support whistleblowers. In a way we have our own pyramid.

[thirdwave]

I often see these truth spreaders as the part of the skin where the injections goes....


people seem to have a problem when people get inspiration from Icke... or who every else...

I see them as the opening to a new vibration that enters our awareness...

it has to start somewhere... it does not mean they are any more advanced or smart than we are.. and they will always tell you they are not in control of what they are doing... they are a vehicle... its only some peoples egos who judge them by "self"

its like a positive virus spreading in the body.... one particle moves onto the other .. and the other.. and the other.... but it starts from somewhere...

Icke..and Wilcock and others just start the rash off... we get sparked by them and we go on and spark others.. sometimes without even knowing it... and this is how it works... but its all the same source, its not us... its it.

and those who reject it obviously do not want it spreading..

[strider]

Exactly.. I don't see why there is suge a big problem with having a good deal of respect for someones work and trying to spread the word to someone who may find it interesting and informative.. Everything needs to be discussed, but why some people go as far as they do to discredit others is beyond me at times..

I personally think christianity is a pile of shit, but I certainly wouldn't go and stand outside of a church on a sunday and heckle them as they come out, I just get on with my own thing and what I'm interested in.. Simple solution imo..

[baron von lotsov]

He is Illuminati bloodline. How do you know he has come out? What has he told you that you didn't know before or could find on the Internet? How can you trust him?

[strider]

Wow baron, I'm suprised it took you so long :D

[cruise4]

Yes very interesting stuff. Got any evidence for the bloodline Baron?

[clipwip]

Yeah, I´m really tempted to get a hold of that also.. I did look for a torrent I have to admit but couldn´t find one, though I wouldn´t begrudge paying for it one bit..

Yeah, I've listened to a good bit of it (the 3 Science of Peace CDs) and it's much of the info in the C2C interview, but much more stuff. The background music is pretty much just atmospheric. But, I was doing other stuff while listening to it b/c I just wanted to get an initial impression before listening to it in more depth. Looking forward to the rest of it. Yeah, I like to pay people for their work when I can, which certainly isn't most of the time. Even if I do get something for free, often I'll buy the product if I believe it was good enough. I certainly think Wilcock's material is worth the money.

[thirdwave]

He is Illuminati bloodline. How do you know he has come out? What has he told you that you didn't know before or could find on the Internet? How can you trust him?

Its not the reason he is telling me that i did not know before ..... I guess when you talk about this deep stuff with most people they look at you like you are from another planet...they are oblivious to it... but when hearing this guy talk its like he has a clear picture of it and a complete understanding of ethics and reality.... and he like others is very good at putting it all in perspective ... Advising... and helping people to understand why they are experiencing certain things...

the fact is... we have a guy that some have found on the internet and they really enjoy listening to him and seem to resonate with what he is saying... this means that he is hitting subjects and explaining concepts that others are very much experiencing and going through... Not because he talks about them... they are going through them anyway... he just hits home with them...

and you think he is a member of the illuminati... you could say why don't you trust him?? ..its not as if he is wishing any harm on anyone ..infact he is very much focused on making people act better to one another and to chill out....

what makes you think he is in the illuminati what is the point of his work from their perspective?

How do we base our trust on anyone?

[thirdwave]

Exactly.. I don't see why there is suge a big problem with having a good deal of respect for someones work and trying to spread the word to someone who may find it interesting and informative.. Everything needs to be discussed, but why some people go as far as they do to discredit others is beyond me at times..

I personally think christianity is a pile of shit, but I certainly wouldn't go and stand outside of a church on a sunday and heckle them as they come out, I just get on with my own thing and what I'm interested in.. Simple solution imo..

that's because your belief is genuine and caused by free thought.... in most cases when someone is not free they want to stop others from being free.... so they wont ever be able to find out that their choice was wrong...

same as a drug addict ... if they see people free and healthy with no drugs ..it shows them how trapped they are... so they want others to take the drug and make their world stronger....

religion is the same... they feel good for a while... but then when everyone else does not comply... they feel the need to pull them in ..like a drug.... I dont think for a second most of these preachers care as much for the people as they make out... they just care about the religion.

[abhie]

Well, care to share with us who you have been listening to or reading?

Strider, will do that.

[cruise4]

"same as a drug addict ... if they see people free and healthy with no drugs ..it shows them how trapped they are... so they want others to take the drug and make their world stronger....

religion is the same... they feel good for a while... but then when everyone else does not comply... they feel the need to pull them in ..like a drug.... I dont think for a second most of these preachers care as much for the people as they make out... they just care about the religion."

I don't know about these conclusions thirdwave. Pushers (and I've never met one) wish to increase revenue and drugs go around groups probably because if you have a chocolate cake you may wish to share it. Drugs are insidious so how it starts and how it ends are poles apart.

Religion likes converts because it equates to more people paying their tax or more people working for their agenda.

[thirdwave]

"same as a drug addict ... if they see people free and healthy with no drugs ..it shows them how trapped they are... so they want others to take the drug and make their world stronger....

religion is the same... they feel good for a while... but then when everyone else does not comply... they feel the need to pull them in ..like a drug.... I dont think for a second most of these preachers care as much for the people as they make out... they just care about the religion."

I don't know about these conclusions thirdwave. Pushers (and I've never met one) wish to increase revenue and drugs go around groups probably because if you have a chocolate cake you may wish to share it. Drugs are insidious so how it starts and how it ends are poles apart.

Religion likes converts because it equates to more people paying their tax or more people working for their agenda.


oh belive me.. I used to work with people who were crack heads.... and they were desperate to have my try it..... anyone who is addicted to a drug can make it sounds very good to his friends.... "go on mate, people make such a fuss about it but they will drink beer which is a drug" ...bla bla

because they would rather be in a cage with a friend then on their own... rather feel they are doing the right thing than have other around them remind them they are on the wrong path..