Islam vs. Islam or why Aisha is so important

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Sunni or Shia?

Which is better?

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i guess shisunn..its a hybrid :D
doesnt matter which ones better....both cant stand each other. the sunni people dont believe shias to be part of the muslim community.
they discard them and both kill each other.

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I read the Koran, but much as I try, I have no real relationship to this problem. The only way I can think of it, having a catholic/atheist background as I do, is the fight between Protestants and Catholics.

My suspicions on the matter have more to do with territorial, and tribal rights. It is convenient for some leaders to demonize a certain sect, race, or whatever in order to get their land... When you boil down the argument in Israel, it's about land, land, land.. The inter-moslem conflicts are the same.

Now, if a bunch o' atheist, Mickey Mouse worshipping troops come down to settle disputes and take all the oil, a common enemy arises, wot? But I would not be at all surprized if some of that ethnic hatred (like the one most folks have towards Kurds) will be resolved by Mickey Mouse..

Perhaps that's what ol' Bush has in mind.. Donno. Perhaps they are waiting for a Messiah. A hidden Immam.

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its been more than 1400 yrs since islam began and like other religions too it is not perfect. things were ok till Mohammed lived...but after his death problems arised as who will succeed. many religions have sects in them...so has islam. it has almost 70 sects in it..the major being sunni and shia (more number of people in this community). after the death of Mohammed, religious leaders or imams started their own sects or their schools of thought to protect Islam's name from being tarnished. what happened is that these imams created their own following and this led to the division among muslims..i even see today many muslims condemning other muslims of different school of thought.the major conflict is between shia and sunni. these two sects have been at war with each other for hundreds of years now. the problem arose when shias followed ali (nephew and son in law of mohammed). ali was the first imam of shias and they have 12 as of now. in quran you will not find this conflict because it started once mohammed died. indeed this conflict is similar to the catholics and protestants.

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what is this importance of aisha?

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Do your homework and you'll find out.

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sufi's, are good aswell. the thing is division only occurs, when lies give rise to power. if the truth was kept uncorrupted, there would no sects, and no religions, there would be just one. so when people say i believe in this, and not in that, i HOPE they came to this decision, after reading about all other religions, the authorities involved, the time/history of those religions. as if you have not done this, then you cannot come to this big decision.

how many sources/fathers/most high are there?

how can you make a judgement on any issue, without knowing all sides?

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Sufis rock.

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Do your homework and you'll find out.
aisha daughter of mohammed...ali husband of aisha..shias followers of ali...aisha is a sunni...hmm i get it now bro.
sufi music reminds me of this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2341591992987770211&q=abida+parveen+sufi&total=51&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

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I better help you out here..

From wikipedia:

Aisha was the daughter of Umm Rumman and Abu Bakr of Mecca. Abu Bakr belonged to the Banu Taim sub-clan of the tribe of Quraysh, the tribe to which Muhammad also belonged. Aisha is said to have followed her father in accepting Islam when she was still young. She also joined him in his migration to Ethiopia in 615 AD; a number of Mecca's Muslims emigrated then, seeking refuge from persecution by the Meccans who still followed their pre-Islamic religions.

According to the early Islamic historian al-Tabari, Aisha's father tried to spare her the dangers and discomfort of the journey by solemnizing her marriage to her fiance, Jubayr, son of Mut`am ibn `Adi. However, Mut’am refused to honor the long-standing betrothal, as he did not wish his family to be connected to the Muslim outcasts. The emigration to Ethiopia proved temporary and Abu Bakr's family returned to Mecca within a few years. Aisha was then betrothed to Muhammad.

Aisha was initially betrothed to Djubayr ibn Mutim, a Muslim whose father, though pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. When Khawla bint Hakim suggested that Muhammad marry Aisha after the death of Muhammad's first wife (Khadija), the previous agreement regarding marriage of Aisha with Ibn Mutim was put aside by common consent. [2] Watt suggests that Muhammad hoped to strengthen his ties with Abu Bakr. [2]

Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated.[3][4][5][6] The marriage was delayed until after the Hijra, or migration to Medina, in 622. Aisha and her older sister Asma only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already fled there. Abu Bakr gave Muhammad the money to build a house for himself. After this, the wedding was celebrated very simply. After the wedding, Aisha continued to play with her toys, and Muhammad entered into the spirit of these games.[7]

Even though the marriage may have been politically motivated, to mark the ties between Muhammad and his companion Abu Bakr, most early accounts say that Muhammad and Aisha became sincerely fond of each other. Aisha is usually described as Muhammad's favorite wife, and it was in her company that Muhammad reportedly received the most revelations.[1] Aisha is believed to have been Muhammad's only virgin wife. They adduce the following episodes as proof that Muhammad and Aisha's marriage did not always go smoothly, and that Khadija's memory never left Muhammad.[citation needed]

Aisha was traveling with her husband Muhammad and some of his followers. Aisha claimed that she had left camp in the morning to search for her lost necklace, but when she returned, she found that the company had broken camp and left without her. She waited for half a day, until she was rescued by a man named Safwan ibn Al-Muattal and taken to rejoin the caravan. This led to speculation that she had committed adultery with Safwan. Muhammad's adopted son Zayd defended Aisha's reputation, while Ali urged Muhammad to divorce Aisha.

Shortly after this, Muhammad announced that he had received a revelation confirming Aisha's innocence and directing that charges of adultery be supported by four eyewitnesses.[8] These verses also rebuked Aisha's accusers,[9] whom Muhammad ordered to receive forty lashes, among them his poet Hassan ibn Thabit.[10][11]

Ibn Kathir wrote in his biography of Muhammad that Muhammad's wife Umm Salama Hind bint Abi Umayya was given a skin filled with honey, which she shared with her husband.[12] He was fond of sweets and stayed overlong with Umm Salama Hind bint Abi Umayya; at least in the opinion of Aisha and her co-wife Hafsa. Aisha and Hafsa conspired. Each of them was to tell Muhammad that the honey had given him bad breath. When he heard this from two wives, he believed that it was true and swore that he would eat no more of the honey. Soon afterwards, he reported that he had received a revelation, in which he was told that he could eat anything permitted by God (66:1). In the following verses, Muhammad's wives are rebuked for their unruliness: "your hearts are inclined (to oppose him)".

Word spread in the small Muslim community that Muhammad's wives were tyrannizing over the mild-mannered man, speaking sharply to him and conspiring against him. Umar, Hafsa's father, scolded his daughter and also spoke to Muhammad of the matter. Muhammad, saddened and upset, separated from his wives for a month. By the end of this time, his wives were humbled and harmony was restored.

When Muslim commentators on the Qur'an explicate Sura 66, it is usually this story that is told to explain the "occasion of revelation."
There is a similar but alternative explanation of this chapter, also involving Aisha. In this story, Aisha and her co-wives were unhappy because Muhammad was infatuated with Maria al-Qibtiyya, the Christian Coptic woman who bore Muhammad a brief-lived son. (Some accounts say that she was a slave, some that she converted to Islam, was freed, and was taken as a wife.)[13]

Ibn Ishaq, in his Sirat Rasulallah, states that during Muhammad's last illness, he sought Aisha's apartments and died with his head in her lap. The Sunni take this as evidence of Muhammad's fondness for Aisha. The Shia deny this, and say that Muhammad died with his head in Ali's lap.[14] Aisha never remarried after Muhammad's death. A passage in the Qur'an forbids any Muslim to marry a widow of Muhammad:

After Muhammad's death in 632 AD, Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, became the first caliph, or leader of the Muslims. This matter of succession to Muhammad is extremely controversial to the Shi'aas. Shia believe that Ali had been chosen to lead by Muhammad; Sunni maintain that the community chose Abu Bakr, and did so in accordance with Muhammad's wishes.

Abu Bakr's reign was short, and in 634 AD he was succeeded by Umar, as caliph. Umar reigned for ten years, and was then followed by Uthman in 644 AD. Both of these men had been among Muhammad's earliest followers, were linked to him by clanship and marriage, and had taken prominent parts in various military campaigns. Aisha, in the meantime, lived in Medina and made several pilgrimages to Mecca.

In 656 Uthman was killed by rebellious Muslim soldiers. The rebels then asked Ali to be the new caliph. Many reports absolve Ali of complicity in the murder. He is reported to have refused the caliphate. He agreed to rule only after his followers persisted.

Aisha raised an army which confronted Ali's army outside the city of Basra. Professor Leila Ahmed claims that it was during this engagement that Muslim slaughtered Muslim for the first time.[1] Battle ensued and Aisha's forces were defeated. Aisha was directing her forces from a howdah on the back of a camel; this 656 battle is therefore called the Battle of the Camel.
Ali captured Aisha but declined to harm her. He sent her back to Medina under military escort. She lived a retired life until she died in approximately 678 under the reign of Muawiya.

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thanks for the info bro

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The point for Muslims is this: the Ali vs. Aisha conflict is STILL GOING ON!!!

And in the Koran it is clearly stated that Muslim must NOT raise his sword against Muslim so BOTH SECTS are WRONG!

Tell that to your local Arabs in Londontown, will ya? It's time for Muslims to ACT like Muslims.

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londontown is too far from my place....but i'll make sure i tell this to the muslims around me in my town.