Why the CIA is a good idea.

[octopusrex]

Conspiracists all, hear ye, hear ye!

Let us consider two things:

1. What does a Central Intelligence Agency mean?

2. What does the CIA motto: "and the truth shall set you free" mean?

In order to explain to you why the CIA is a good thing for us, first, we must forget the abuses, murders, overthrows, black-ops, MK-ultra and all that other naugthy spy vs. spy stuff.

Second: we must also think of the CIA not as an "American" agency, but as a "World" agency.

Now, lets get the nitty gritty of it:

Central - a place gathering place, much like Berlin was in 1945.

Intelligence - infomration. what we need to know to survive.

Agency - this is the trickiest dickiest part of the equation. Should it be a private agency? a public agency? wtf is an agency anyhow? who does it serve?

From wikipedia: Agency considered in the philosophical sense is the capacity of an agent to act in a world. The agency is considered as belonging to that agent, even if that agent represents a fictitious character, or some other non-existent entity. The capacity to act does not at first imply a specific moral dimension to the ability to make the choice to act. Moral agency addresses issues of these type.

Human agency is the capacity for human beings to make choices and to impose those choices on the world. It is normally contrasted to natural forces, which are causes involving only unthinking deterministic processes.

So, an agency is action. Acting upon information in a centralized manner. The real question is: Who benefits from this "action"?

If the answer is the USA, well, then we're all screwed, aren't we? If the Agency acts for the benfit of ALL MANKIND, then it is not only necessary but ESSENTIAL that such an agency continue it's work.

The reason is simple: the gathering of information has already occurred. Perhaps the information is incomplete. Faulty even. But gathering information and acting upon it for the benefit of mankind is not a bad thing. It's a good thing.

Example: there might be information, which if leaked, would cause mass death and destruction. Acting to prevent the leaking of such information might be necessary, like in the very astute film MEN IN BLACK.

Now, lets do you a reality check by having you answer this question:

DO YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THE CIA?

[zero1]

Now, lets do you a reality check by having you answer this question:

DO YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THE CIA?

Shill. :eek:

[logic bomb]

What does a Central Intelligence Agency mean?

Counter Intelligence Agency???

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[mahabaratara]

Nazi front...

[synergy777]

criminal intelligence agency.

[somewarez]

In the case of 9/11 Crap Intelligence Agency....

[megafish33]

An intelligence agency is, indeed, an important aspect of defense in this age. What people like Ron Paul mean when they say 'get rid of the CIA' is a massive reform. An intelligence agency should be invisible and never have blow back. Right?

Competing central intelligence private firms? That might be a mess as well... Imagine two extremely capable spies trying to score inside recognition through a 'job' and one just saying, "fuck it, it's mine."

[carlg1212]

Here's a little e-book about the nice, happy place called the CIA...

The CIA's torture experimentation of the 1950s and early 1960s was codified in 1963 in a succinct, secret instructional booklet on torture -- the "KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation" (http://www.kimsoft.com/2000/kubark.htm) manual, which would become the basis for a new method of torture disseminated globally over the next three decades. These techniques were first spread through the U.S. Agency for International Development's Public Safety program to train police forces in Asia and Latin America as the front line of defense against communists and other revolutionaries. After an angry Congress abolished the Public Safety program in 1975, the CIA worked through U.S. Army Mobile Training Teams to instruct military interrogators, mainly in Central America.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCC409A.html

[carlg1212]

Imagine two extremely capable spies trying to score inside recognition through a 'job' and one just saying, "fuck it, it's mine."

The failure of a 'job', or even the perceived failure of a 'job', is reason for immediate dismissal.

In your research, notice how many times "perceived failure" is connected with the CIA.

[octopusrex]

The point is that the CIA should be a world organization. Not just pandering to the interest of Anglo-Saxon Masons. Spooks should be helpin' in the Hindu-Moslem conflict, trying to get the Vatican to cough up the truth.. etc.

[cruise4]

"DO YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THE CIA?"

NO... because they like secrets which is where the trouble starts. There is NO good reason for any of these 'War engines'. It just seems that way due to regressive scum running death regimes.

Do you not get it???

Secrets mean 'Agenda to control'.
In a proper free and fair society there is NO NEED for it.

[umbrex]

well, if you have a black budget of 0,5-1 trillion dollars building underground bases, financing starwars projects etc, then a supersecret agency with the capability to traffic and sell most of the drugs in the world, organize secret coupes while financing paramilitary organizations with the intent to overthrow governments and gather intel which will become available to noone but the agency with the possibility to use it in deceptive ways, then yes..

otherwise your post is fucking stupid or you're very naive - at best.

We do have a world agency, the omega project. CIA, Mossad, MI6 and all the other government funded crooks in one supersweet agency.

[octopusrex]

Hey, I'm Mexican and thus no big fan of the CIA which was invented by Mr. Megaton Harry S. Truman and which has caused more havoc in Latin America than... The Catholic Church... Wait.. No.. Take that back... Anyhow...

Consider history's lessons.

The Library at Alexandria was burnt to the ground, which caused mankind to degenerate into a dark age. Then there was the bit about the Mayan and Aztec codices burnt by the church.. That set us back in Astrological knowledge huh... about 500 years of research.

Now, the CIA and it's sister agencies control extensive amounts of extremely sensitive intel.. That intel should be put into the service of the UN, NOT in the service of any one Nation. (unless it's a revampt Mayan World Emprie).

[umbrex]

Hey, I'm Mexican and thus no big fan of the CIA which was invented by Mr. Megaton Harry S. Truman and which has caused more havoc in Latin America than... The Catholic Church... Wait.. No.. Take that back... Anyhow...

ok?
this is relevant as to the justification of CIA how ?

Consider history's lessons.

The Library at Alexandria was burnt to the ground, which caused mankind to degenerate into a dark age.

The burning of the library is hardly the reason for the dark ages, plus i bet the really juice stuff is to be found in the Vatican library. Oh, we have harddisks now also.

Then there was the bit about the Mayan and Aztec codices burnt by the church.. That set us back in Astrological knowledge huh... about 500 years of research.

Guess the lesson there was not to send out a group of religious fanatics who would destroy anything made by what they perceived as heretic ..but i guess that would be terrorism in todays world and no western civilization would permit that today. Lesson learned

Now, the CIA and it's sister agencies control extensive amounts of extremely sensitive intel.. That intel should be put into the service of the UN, NOT in the service of any one Nation. (unless it's a revampt Mayan World Emprie).

I'd rather have a library which could burn, live in a prejudice culture than having an omnipotent, corporate intelligence agency deliberately manipulating facts, scamming the people, destroying democracies, violating human rights etc etc etc. fact of the matter is, the intel is not and will not be available to the UN or other governments, so i don't see where you're going with this. By the way, having info available to every country in the world pretty much nullifies any covert actions, since everyone would know. U have gigantic frontal lobes, use them.

[steevo]

"CIA" is just a guise for who they REALLY are. They are run by the Illuminati and funded by the tax payer, they are criminals of the highest order. The Central Intelligence Agency gathers and acts on information on anyone who is against their evil agenda. They will stop at NOTHING to forward their evil agenda, they would kill their own granny to push it forward.
You have to be a certain type to be in the CIA but obviously the people at the top of the pyramid will know more about the real agenda than those lower down. Having said that, it's now common knowledge that 911 was an inside job so there is no excuse for those at the bottom of the pyramid anymore.

My opinion is that intelligence agencies are a NOT a good idea. We just need to educate people (or de-educate) because we have all been brainwashed from birth.
People who think the CIA is a good idea are living in fear and looking outside of themselves because they havent any idea what is really going on. WAKE UP! :D

[redhead]

C.I.A. - Cocaine Import Agency

[cruise4]

"That intel should be put into the service of the UN"

Are you effin joking?

It should be put onto web pages and posted on the web for everyone anywhere to view.

[octopusrex]

Actually, I am dead serious. Otherwise, why post it on the David Icke website?

[megafish33]

C.I.A. - Cocaine Import Agency

That too. :p Without them who knows how the yayo would flow... :confused:

[octopusrex]

It has been the dream of Latin American dictators to put their flag on the Pentagon since it's conception. Langley, Virginia is not invulnerable. If a certain Latin American dictator could do it, he would change the guard to the UN.

[king]

Shill. :eek:


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