The Real Adolph Hitler

[hagbard_celine]

In addition to the article on today's headlines: I've actually seen a photo of Hitler during the Spartacist revolution. It shows him standing in a pose with a number of known communists and Rosa Luxemburg-supporters. It's also interesting to note that as a teenager, he had a crush on a girl called Stefanie Isak. Her surname is very obviously Jewish. So Hitler was not the ideological supremo we've been led to believe, at least not until he joined the German Workers' Party.

So Hitler was far more of an opportunist than we've been led to believe.

[seamus]

In addition to the article on today's headlines: I've actually seen a photo of Hitler during the Spartacist revolution. It shows him standing in a pose with a number of known communists and Rosa Luxemburg-supporters. It's also interesting to note that as a teenager, he had a crush on a girl called Stefanie Isak. Her surname is very obviously Jewish. So Hitler was not the ideological supremo we've been led to believe, at least not until he joined the German Workers' Party.

So Hitler was far more of an opportunist than we've been led to believe.

Dude, Hitler WAS a Jew. An Illegitimate Rothschild.

He was a man with a mission. He bungled it, as usual, always wanting to be king of the world...


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[edro9494]

Hitler was Jewish Zionist agent of the Rothschild Family, as Icke documents, his grandmother worked at the Rothschild estate in Vienna where she was impregnated by one of the 5 sons. The Rothschilds are of course, Jewish. unbelievable? yes i know it is. wait till you try to explain it to a normal member of society, hahahahaha!

[midwich cuckoo]

There's a coincidence :) I was just watching this today -

Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy part 1of 2 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=4360800110742625275&esrc=sr2&ev=v&q=Nazis:+The+Occult+Conspiracy&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D4360800110742625275%26q%3DNazi s%253A%2BThe%2BOccult%2BConspiracy&usg=AL29H23l1u1hNS8b-HTeI_mHXF23USXRvA)

Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy part 2of 2 (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-3797889292300937848&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=Nazis:+The+Occult+Conspiracy&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-3797889292300937848%26q%3DNazis%253A%2BThe%2BOccul t%2BConspiracy&usg=AL29H23BfLXt3XhC8HAHqLKK7FmjOsjuGQ)

Not very in depth as it was shown on the Discovery Channel, but still interesting nontheless.

[seamus]

There IS no coicidence, MWC!

Thanks for the links! *slurrrrp* :p

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[edro9494]

and people still cant understand the origin of anti-semitism!? hahaha, because people have caught on to the scam! I am not condoning anti-semitism, yet, once you see the scam all you can do is laugh.

Zionist Jews create and foment blatant anti-semitism to expand their sympathy and power-base!

Remember the Skokie Riots in Illinois with the Hitler wannabe, Frank Collins? His parents were both J-E-W-I-S-H! He eventually was caught molesting younger boys, what a Fucker! http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm

Recall how they shut down Icke in Canada faster than fuck? Had to brand him with the anti-semitic pincher to turn people off from him.

[hagbard_celine]

Thanks for the replies, and for the link, Midwitch Cuckoo.

It's true! How easy it is to be branded "antee-Suh-mittick". Everybody on this forum can be described as "antee-Suh-mittick"! How convenient that anyone who even mentions the idea of a covert world govt is "antee-Suh-mittick".

[anoninnyc]

thanks so much for this forum. if i try telling anyone in "real life" that hitler was actually a jew, they would think i am crazy and an anti-semite. i don't hate jews i don't approve of zionists. the fact is that jewish people suffered at the zionists hands the most, maybe even more so than palestinians. the illuminati are of all races including jewish but the jews are used as a convenient scapegoat.

[albie]

Hitler was Jewish Zionist agent of the Rothschild Family, as Icke documents, his grandmother worked at the Rothschild estate in Vienna where she was impregnated by one of the 5 sons. The Rothschilds are of course, Jewish. unbelievable? yes i know it is. wait till you try to explain it to a normal member of society, hahahahaha!

I read that Hitler's grandmother worked at the home of the Frankenbergs. Not the Rothschilds.

I think that this canard would have died a natural death had it not been for Hans Frank, a trusted lawyer who, during World War II, became entangled in all sorts of genocides in Poland and was executed in 1946. He wrote his memoirs in jail. He insisted that in the 1930s, Hitler asked him to delve deeper into the murky genealogy of his family in order to rebut the nasty and damaging rumors once and for all.”


“Be careful what you wish for” – I muttered.


“Precisely” – Libby agreed – “Frank discovered, or so he claimed, that Hitler’s grandfather was the 19 years old scion of a Jewish family from Graz, Austria – the Frankenbergs. This overactive youth is said to have impregnated Hitler’s parental grandmother, Maria Anna. Leopold Frankenberg, the clan’s patriarch, paid Alois child support until he was 14 or 18. The strange thing is that Hitler admitted to Frank that his grandmother had received these regular payments, but he said that she cheated the Jews and made them believe that she had conceived the child she was carrying with their son.”

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:LQtvYcWmdj0J:www.narcissistic-abuse.com/hitler.rtf+hitler+frankenberg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk

Frank claimed that he had been called in by Hitler towards the end of 1930 and shown a letter from his nephew William Patrick Hitler (the son of his half-brother Alois, who had been briefly married to an Irish woman) threatening, in connection with the press stories circulating about Hitler's background, to expose the fact that Hitler had Jewish blood flowing in his veins. Allegedly commissioned by Hitler to look into his family history, Frank reportedly discovered that Maria Anna Schicklgruber had given birth to her child while serving as a cook in the home of a Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz. Not only that: Frankenberger senior had reputedly paid regular instalments to support the child on behalf of his son, around nineteen years old at the birth, until the child's fourteenth birthday. Letters were allegedly exchanged for years between Maria Anna Schicklgruber and the Frankenbergers. According to Frank, Hitler declared that he knew, from what his father and grandmother had said, that his grandfather was not the Jew from Graz, but because his grandmother and her subsequent husband were so poor they had conned the Jew into believing he was the father and into paying for the boy's support.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/kershaw-hitler.html

I think it's a recycled myth the connection to Rothshilds.

[albie]

There's no evidence WHAT SO EVER that Hitler's grandad was jew, so I think Icke is showing signs of not doing enough research here.

For him to tell you it as fact shows you how reliable he is.:confused:

Check this out...

The mystery concerning Adolf Hitler's grandfather (Alois' father) has spawned a multitude of theories that range from possible to preposterous. Whenever beginning this discussion, we should realize that we can only speculate about this man's identity because the truth rested with Maria Schicklgruber, and as far as we know, she took this information to the grave with her in 1847.
To explain away Adolf Hitler's treatment of Jews, some speculate Adolf's grandfather was a Jew. There is no basis for this speculation.

The simplest and legal answer to Alois' paternity points to Johann Georg Hiedler - the man Maria married five years after Alois' birth. The sole basis for this information dates to Alois' baptismal registry that shows Johann Georg claiming paternity over Alois on June 6, 1876 in front of three witnesses. At first glance, this seems like reliable information until you realize that Johann Georg would have been eighty-four years old and had actually died nineteen years earlier.

So who changed the baptismal registry?
There are many versions of this story, but most point the finger at Johann Georg Hiedler's brother, Johann von Nepomuk Huetler. (The spelling of the last name was always changing - the baptismal registry spells it "Hitler.") Some rumors say that because Johann von Nepomuk had no sons to carry on the name of Hitler, he decided to change Alois' name by claiming that his brother had told him that this was true. Since Alois had lived with Johann von Nepomuk for most of his childhood, it is believable that Alois seemed like his son. Other rumors actually claim that Johann von Nepomuk was Alois' real father and that in this way he could give his son his last name.
No matter who changed it, Alois Schicklgruber officially became Alois Hitler at thirty nine years of age. Since Adolf was born after this name change, Adolf was born Adolf Hitler. But isn't it interesting how close it was?

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa070197.htm

[hagbard_celine]

thanks so much for this forum. if i try telling anyone in "real life" that hitler was actually a jew, they would think i am crazy and an anti-semite. i don't hate jews i don't approve of zionists. the fact is that jewish people suffered at the zionists hands the most, maybe even more so than palestinians. the illuminati are of all races including jewish but the jews are used as a convenient scapegoat.


That's it. In a nutshell.

:cool:

[midwich cuckoo]

Here's a much better documentary on the Nazis, the occult and flying saucers -

Secrets of the 3rd reich

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096&q=ufo+illuminati

Evidence of the use of extra terrestrial technology.

One of the last great mysteries of the 20th century is the occult past of the 3rd reich, and membership of secret societies by some of its leading exponents.

The question as to whether these people were aware of the existence of lost extraterrestrial technologies, once applied by past advanced cultures, is raised by completely new research, supported by historical documents and original film footage of the period.

Were the disk-shaped flying objects (UFOs), driven by anti-gravitation forces, actually constructed?. Test pilots, engineers and investigators explain the Nazi programme for space travel and contact with aliens. Look at the evidence and decide for urself.

[albie]

Er, did you read what I posted? NO PROOF THAT HITLER WAS A JEW. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT HIS GRANDMA WORKED IN A ROTHSCHILD HOUSE.
MADE UP BULLSHIT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[albie]

There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.

Rumors die hard, though.

One of Hitler's henchmen, Hans Frank, declared during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46, that Hitler's grandmother had worked in the town of Graz as a servant in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberger. He further claimed that she was seduced by the head of the household and that Hitler's grandfather was the result of that liaison.

A subsequent analysis of Frank's statement by Simon Wiesenthal disclosed that there was no evidence of any Jewish family named Frankenberger ever living in Graz. What is more, Jews had been driven out of Graz in the 15th century and had not been allowed to return until 1856, nearly twenty years after Hitler's grandfather had been born.

Hitler's grandmother's maiden name was Schickelgruber. There is considerable evidence that this family produced abnormal progeny. Examples are: one of Hitler's relatives through his mother's side committed suicide in 1920, another, Aloisha had been placed in an insane asylum, another was "feeble-minded," and yet another was retarded.

According to the article from which I am quoting this material:


"Hitler's real fear, then, was not that someone would discover that he has a Jewish grandfather, but that it would someday come to light that he carried a hereditary disposition toward mental illness and retardation."
You might ask your English teacher to go to a good library and see the following article:


"Hitler's Family Secret: A file recovered from the Nazi Archives tells of a Gestapo investigation into the Fuehrer's murky family history."
By: Ben S. Swearingen
Civilization: The Magazine of the Library of Congress Volume 2, Number 2, Arcg/April 1995, pp. 54-55
Harry W. Mazal OBE

http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml

[seamus]

Today in a study released by the Lou Albano Medulla Oblongata Research Institure, researchers John Meninges and Sara Cervelle stated, "We were astonished that the people who would strike the "caps lock" key and continue to type were the same ones who had trouble keeping their food off their shirts. In effect, the correlation with the bottom of the intelligence curve approaches one."

http://nottodaysnews.com/20070305/articles/bushwa/nobrains.shtml

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[edelweiss pirate]

Hitler's real fear, then, was not that someone would discover that he has a Jewish grandfather, but that it would someday come to light that he carried a hereditary disposition toward mental illness and retardation

'Mental ilness and retardation' seem to be a prerequisite to getting on in politics.... Too bad Hitler didn't realise, he might have mellowed a bit...

[unicorn]

Hi Albie,

What does proof prove? It's only someone's belief, unless of course you're tapping into the Ultimate Truth of the Universe / Creator.

There's also no proof that power masts, phone masts or TETRA masts are detrimental to health, nor mobile phones or microwaves, according to the legit sources of 'knowledgable' people. :confused:

It just depends on who ya wanna believe? As far as historians go, they as blind or dodgy as bleedin' doctors! A rare gem to find a good 'un! :)

[albie]

Sory Uni, but that just seems a cop out.

If there's no evidence that Hitler was a Jew. Then don't spread the lie. You'll be opening yourself up as an easy target to debunkers.

[unicorn]

Sory Uni, but that just seems a cop out.

If there's no evidence that Hitler was a Jew. Then don't spread the lie. You'll be opening yourself up as an easy target to debunkers.

Sory Uni, but that just seems a cop out - Hey, don't apologise for speaking your truth, I respect your view. I admit that I am ignorant on this subject but from what I have read about Hitler I believe that there is more that we don't know than what we do know, so there being 'no evidence' doesn't mean it aint true. Not that I'm going to go gabbing around on this subject as my research into this has been limited.

[edro9494]

theres no concrete proof of hitler being a jew, just as there is no trace of cyanide on "gas chamber" walls.

however, there is proof that Hitler himself was under the impression that he was Jewish. You cannot argue that he wasnt aware of the possibility, none the less disturbed by his actual belief in, of himself having Jewish blood. He had his hometown, Dollersheim, bombed and destroyed to stop futher investigation into his family records and family tombstones which had stars of david on them. obviously it would be quite embarrassing to be the biggest jew-hater of history and turn up to be a jew yourself.

Ron Rosenbaum, GW Bush's JEWISH, Yale classmate, clearly documents this in his book "Explaining Hitler." He attempts to downplay the Rothschild theory, and I expected such since he is jewish. i understand how that would be the hardest thing in the world to get your head around if you were jewish and unaware of the zionist movement in history.

stop posting like a cry-baby bitch, lose your ignorance, read the book, and perhaps you will learn something other than how to be a neurotic, self-denying, zionist, ratfink.

make your font as big as you want when you cry about a lack of concrete proof, it doesnt substantiate your point any-more-so. The fact still remains that Hitler and his jewish regime were fully supported and funded by Jewish Zionist interests. This of course makes ZERO sense and is unexplainable from an ordinary perspective, that is the brilliance of PRS. Just as the Bolshevik Communists were funded by the same gang. Warburgs, IG Farben, Rothschild, Prescott Bush, Wall Street, and im sure im leaving some out.

According to Brigitte Hamann, the youthful Hitler's best friends in Vienna were Jewish. He benefited from Jewish charities and Jews bought most of his artwork. He was shunned by real anti-Semites. ("Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship, pp.347-352)

Hitler did better things for Jews than Moses. Death camps were not the first option. The first option was shipping Jews to Palestine. Why? because it was a zionist led regime from its inception.

Hitler was a clever concept, a theatrical racist, who conveniently empowers zionism. not much different from today, a jew also wrote that script.

unfortunately for them, reason and logic teach us to look at the beneficiary of the crime to discover the criminal.


how amusing. i think i need more popcorn.

[albie]

I find what you say offensive, and I've reported it to the mods.

stop posting like a cry-baby bitch, lose your ignorance, read the book, and perhaps you will learn something other than how to be a neurotic, self-denying, zionist, ratfink.

Hitler wanted to cover up his past because his family had a history of mental retardation and mental illness.

The idea that Hitler was a Rothschild was a lie spread by the Austrian Secret police. They hated him.

A german in custody after the war said Hitler's grandma was working in Graz, in the house of the jewish Frankenbergs. and that she was impregnated by one.

There was no family called the Frankenbergs in Graz, and jews were banned from Graz at that time anyway.

It's bullshit.

Please show me where Hitler thinks he's a jew. It doesn't exist.

You are lying to yourself.

[edro9494]

here the book, buy a used copy for $5.49

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[edro9494]

it even has the pro israeli, jewish, zionist bias which i know you oh-so crave

i apologize for the name-calling, but stop going ape-shit when someone offers evidence to the contrary of your ignorant belief system. Evidence trumps belief.

jesus christ.

[phoenixchilde]

There's a few problems with all of this. First of all, Isak is not an obviously Jewish surname, it's not even a surname. It's usually a first name, and a muslim surname. Second, we're all familiar with Icke's claims that Hitler was connected to the Rothchildes, but I've never seen any family trees, or anything else that proves it. Third, there's nothing new about Hitler being 1/4 jewish. It's even taught in high school.

[albie]

it even has the pro israeli, jewish, zionist bias which i know you oh-so crave

i apologize for the name-calling, but stop going ape-shit when someone offers evidence to the contrary of your ignorant belief system. Evidence trumps belief.

jesus christ.

I didn't go ape shit because someone proffered evidence i didn't like. Look back. I went ape because my post was ignored.

Completley the opposite of what you say.

And why read the book? The evidence is on the web. Dollfuss supposedly found the evidence of his gran working in a Rothschild house when she was pregnant.

It's too good to be true. Imagine If I told you I found evidence that Icke's gran was impregnated by a Bush?

And I couldn't give you any actual evidence?

You'd think I was lying.

Dollfuss lost or burnt the evidence. Why? Because the myth was already out. Any forged documents would only allow for them to be found to be fake.

Better to lose them altogether.

It's crap.

Dollfuss hated Hitler. He knew Hitler hated jews and especially the Rothschilds. He then seeks to find some evidence to hurt Hitler. Lo-and-behold the most possible damaging evidence is found and conveniently not on show for the general public and it involves Hitler being a jew and (even worse) a Rothschild?

Come on.

You've got admit that is fishy as Captain Birdseyes child work force.

[edro9494]

why did jews like the max warburg, jacob shiff, and the rothschilds fund hitler?

fritz thyssen, a banking jew, wrote a book "I paid Hitler"

how do you explain that without saying hitler was controlled in a zionist plot which need fierce anti-semitism for a return to palestine?

this is so blatantly obvious to me

zionist jews control banking, media, and big business. NOTHING gets approval without their say-so.

Adolf Eichmann, reveals in his book, that he clearly stated at Nuremburg, that nazi allusions to "the final solution" was this zionist agreement to send the jews to Palestine, not to kill them all.

how much more can you fudge history to a point where they twist the meaning of this 'final solution' to mean jewish extermination instead of shipping them to palestine? Eichmann writes that in his book right in plain view, how do you explain this?

zionist jews control the media, have for some time, and write the history books that are in our public schools. that is why you read anne frank and holocaust, despite the fact that the holocaust of gentiles in the USSR and China had genocidal numbers ten of millions surpassing the alleged jewish deaths in germany.

[anoninnyc]

I find what you say offensive, and I've reported it to the mods.



what is wrong with you? think you exposed your true colors.

[mynameis]

Education For Death - Anti-Nazi Propaganda
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Then and Now, Part 1
Then and Now, Part I - YouTube

Then and Now, Part 2
Then and Now, Part II - YouTube

[tru3]

Er, did you read what I posted? NO PROOF THAT HITLER WAS A JEW. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT HIS GRANDMA WORKED IN A ROTHSCHILD HOUSE.
MADE UP BULLSHIT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hell, even the 3 stooges figured this out in the '30's....


http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6193/stoogersshickelgruberuk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.whatsmells.com/hitler.html

[seamus]

tru3 that's a great article!

I wish everyone were so lucid and thorough in their explanations. Sometimes people go on droning with meaningless details, but David goes right for the meat and stays there. I just wish there were references in a list at the end of the article...


Thanks for the link

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[tru3]

I wish everyone were so lucid and thorough in their explanations. Sometimes people go on droning with meaningless details, but David goes right for the meat and stays there. I just wish there were references in a list at the end of the article...

always a pleasure to be of service, mate! :)

imho, a moment might be in order to reflect on the wisdom of spike jones:

Der Fuehrer's Face
Spike Jones and the City Slickers

When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
Not to love Der Fuehrer is a great disgrace
So we HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
When Herr Gobbels says, "We own der world und space"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Goring's face
When Herr Goring says they'll never bomb this place
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Herr Goring's face

Are we not the supermen
Aryan pure supermen
Ja we ist der supermen
Super-duper supermen
Ist this Nutzi land not good?
Would you leave it if you could?
Ja this Nutzi land is good!
Vee would leave it if we could

We bring the world to order
Heil Hitler's world New Order
Everyone of foreign race will love Der Fuehrer's face
When we bring to der world disorder

When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"
We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuhrer's face


Thank you Dr. Demento, wherever you are...:o

[albie]

Listen guys. Read the rest of the thread. The Austrian secret police happen to find the most damaging evidence against Hitler? Come on. Dollfuss hated Hitler and he finds this evidence and then conveniently loses it so we can't find it be a forgery.

Aren't you being a tad gullible here?

Isn't Dollfuss laughing at you?

You know it's unlikely to be true.

[tru3]

Listen guys. Read the rest of the thread. The Austrian secret police happen to find the most damaging evidence against Hitler? Come on. Dollfuss hated Hitler and he finds this evidence and then conveniently loses it so we can't find it be a forgery.

Aren't you being a tad gullible here?

Isn't Dollfuss laughing at you?

You know it's unlikely to be true.

at this point, about 100 years after hitler's birth, does it really matter?

it's enough for me to know that the tri-world government rose from the ashes of nazi germany.

the "red shields" are the right hand path of the ill., the catholic church the left hand path. just my opinion, but they're both lackeys who serve a higher master. the believe they are in charge, and that will be their undoing: hubris, pride, arrogance.

don't mean to down you, but that's just my opinion. :o

[albie]

Fine, have an opinion. But is it based on any real evidence? Or a theory?

[i am all i am]

This song actually hit number one in Australia, and as it applies to this topic, I thought that I'd post it for everyones enjoyment.

Mel Brooks Lyrics

To Be Or Not To Be (the Hitler Rap) Lyrics


Well
hi there people
you know me

I used to run a little joint called Germany.
I was number one
the people's choice
And everybody listened to my mighty voice.
My name is Adolf
I'm on the mike.
I'm gonna hip you to the story of the New Third Reich.
It all began down in Munich town and pretty soon
The word started gettin' around.
So I said to Martin Boorman
I said
Hey Marty, why don't we throw a little nazi party?
We had an election
well
kinda sorta
And before you knew it hello
new order.
To all those mothers in the fatherland I said
Achtung, Baby, I got me a plan
.
'YVhatcha got Adolf? Whatcha gonna do?"
I said "how about this one
World War Two?"

To be or not to be
oh baby
can't you see

We're gonna take it to the top. You're making history
And it feels so good to me
ooh darlin'
please don't ever stop.
Don't be stupid; be a smarty
come on and join the nazi party - party.
Like humpty dumpty offa that wall

All the little countries they began to fall
Holland
Belgium
Denmark
Poland-
The troops were rockin' and the tanks were rollin'

We were swingin' along with a song in our hearts.
And "Deutschland über alles" was making the charts

We had a new step called a goosestep we were dancing to.
Well
it's sorta kinda like a German boogaloo

I was gettin' what I wanted
but it wasn't enough.
So I called the boys
I said boys
get though

Now I surrounded myself with some unusual cats.
There was skinny little Göbbels and Göring mister fats

And let's not forget ole Himmler and Hess.
You'd better believe we made a hell of a mess

Say Heil - Heil - siegety Heil
we gonna whip it on the people teutonic style
To be or not to be
oh baby
can't you see

We're gonna make it to the top. You are our destiny

This thing was meant to be
why don't we do it till we drop?
Say you boots ain't black and shirt ainY brown?
Well
get back Jack
you can't get down. Do it
Adolf
do it.
I drank wine from the Rhine with the finest ladies

And we did it in the back of my black Mercedes.

I was on a roll
I couldn't lose
then came D-day
the birth of the blues.
The Yanks and the Brits started raising cain

Those guys were the pits
I was goin' insane.
People all around me started swallowing pills

Let's face it
folks
we was going downhill.
Berlin was crumbling
we was under the gun

Time to look out for number one.
So I grabbed a blonde and a case of beer

Say the Russians are commin'
lets get out of here.

To be or not to be
oh honey
can't you see

We had to take it to the top. You sure made history
And it felt so good to me
oh schatze


Please don't ever stop.

Auf wiedersehn
good to've seen ya

I got a one way ticket to Argentina.
To be or not to be
oh baby
can't you see

We've got to take it to the top. You're makin' history
And it feels so good to me


Why don't we do it till we drop?
We have ways of making you dance . . .
- Sprechen Sie Argentinian ?




With LOVE.
_______________________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[tru3]

Fine, have an opinion. But is it based on any real evidence? Or a theory?

yes, actually, it is. but i don't care to share it with someone who's endlessly engaged in debate mode. anyone can torture the numbers 'till they confess.

as for dolfuss losing something, hell, i lose shit all the time. haven't you ever lost something? maybe his dog ate it, i don't know. don't really care, either.

[tru3]

Mel Brooks Lyrics

ah, sweet sweet music!

SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER, IN GERMANY....


Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...
CHORUS:
Look, it's springtime
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Winter for Poland and France
CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany!
CHORUS:
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/broadway/stars/images/brooks_m_pic2.jpg

[albie]

yes, actually, it is. but i don't care to share it with someone who's endlessly engaged in debate mode. anyone can torture the numbers 'till they confess.

as for dolfuss losing something, hell, i lose shit all the time. haven't you ever lost something? maybe his dog ate it, i don't know. don't really care, either.

I don't think you have any more evidence than has appeared already.

Endlessy engaged in debate mode?

What else is there to do? It's all debate.If you post something it's inviting debate.

Surely it's part of your responsibilty to test conspiracy theories, not to just use them as a form of entertainment.

It's lucky I'm here. What would you do without me?

Dollfuss? Of course I've lost stuff. But when It's such a piece of important evidence aimed at bringing down one of the world's most detested men I kind of think it's lost for other reasons.

It's too good to be true that he was a Rothschild. Too convenient. I honestly think anyone would have to consider that the evidence was made up when they consider the facts.

Even if I fully believed in The Illuminati I would still doubt the evidence (and lack of it) in this particular case.

[tru3]

I don't think you have any more evidence than has appeared already.

Endlessy engaged in debate mode?

What else is there to do? It's all debate.If you post something it's inviting debate.

Surely it's part of your responsibilty to test conspiracy theories, not to just use them as a form of entertainment.

It's lucky I'm here. What would you do without me?




that's your view. this site is about exposing the dreamworld. i'm here to help build a new consensus reality and am primarily interested in raising consciousness and the vibration of the physical body, so we can keep up with the earth changes that are happening, and that i believe will continue to increase in intenstity over the next 5 or 6 years.

you're here to prove and disprove conspiracies. both relate to exposing the dreamworld, we just value different aspects of that. both can be valuable. i really don't mean any disrespect, albie, but there IS something else to do, imo.

[albie]

You wouldn't want to raise consciousness through false evidence though, would you? Wouldn't you be setting yourself up for a fall?

How do you go about raising consciousness? If not through info? I don't think most people in this world would have their minds raised by anything else but actual info.

And because the info we are putting out is so bizarre they are bound to want to check it out. The evidence for Hitler being a Jew doesn't stack up for me. It's a dead end for consciousness raising.

In fact it kind of does the opposite. It makes conspiracy theory look wobbly on the whole.


How else could you raise consciousness?

[albie]

Sure if you want to form a commune here. But even communes need ideas to shape their minds and attitudes.

[tru3]

You wouldn't want to raise consciousness through false evidence though, would you? Wouldn't you be setting yourself up for a fall?

How do you go about raising consciousness? If not through info? I don't think most people in this world would have their minds raised by anything else but actual info.

And because the info we are putting out is so bizarre they are bound to want to check it out. The evidence for Hitler being a Jew doesn't stack up for me. It's a dead end for consciousness raising.

In fact it kind of does the opposite. It makes conspiracy theory look wobbly on the whole.


How else could you raise consciousness?

thank you for sharing.

look i really don't want to get enrolled in a debate on this. we're going to end up right back where we started in some of "the awakening" threads.

how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? hell, i don't know. don't care, either. there's plenty of opportunities to raise conscousness in the great game called the life that's right in front of us, in the hologram.

i think you bring up a couple of valid points above. that's great. that's what floats your boat, i applaud you. all i'm doing is sharing what floats mine.

[i am all i am]

I don't think you have any more evidence than has appeared already.

Endlessy engaged in debate mode?

What else is there to do? It's all debate.If you post something it's inviting debate.

Surely it's part of your responsibilty to test conspiracy theories, not to just use them as a form of entertainment.

It's lucky I'm here. What would you do without me?

Dollfuss? Of course I've lost stuff. But when It's such a piece of important evidence aimed at bringing down one of the world's most detested men I kind of think it's lost for other reasons.

It's too good to be true that he was a Rothschild. Too convenient. I honestly think anyone would have to consider that the evidence was made up when they consider the facts.

Even if I fully believed in The Illuminati I would still doubt the evidence (and lack of it) in this particular case.


G'day albie,

The words "I don' think" may be why you doubt Tru3's assertion.

Posting something is not inviting debate. I have posted poetry on the forum. Would you say that is inviting debate ??? And there is a lot of things that you can do besides debating, think about it for a while and I'm sure you can come up with some ideas.

Entertainment of the mind can help to increase the mental capabilities and no-one is responsible for anything but their own thoughts, words and actions.

Considering that the majority of people here have lived their lives for many years without you Albie, I would say that they would continue to do so if you weren't here.

You are of course entitled to your beliefs and free to post whatever you want. Why should you think that others are not entitled to the same consideration of expression ???


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

How do you go about raising consciousness? If not through info? I don't think most people in this world would have their minds raised by anything else but actual info.

How else could you raise consciousness?


Allow me to give you a one word answer and then you can do your own research to further understand.

Meditation.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[tru3]

Allow me to give you a one word answer and then you can do your own research to further understand.

Meditation.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

SNAP! i wish i'd "thought" of that lol. nice, iaaia. :)

[i am all i am]

SNAP! i wish i'd "thought" of that lol. nice, iaaia. :)


You did. I am merely you in another time frame/perspective. We are all one.


With LOVE.

[albie]

Poetry is a form of creation.

Conspiracy theories are often pure creation, true.:D

Finding truth is surely our aim.

If that means scrutinising every bit of info to ensure it can't be denied, then that's what we must do.

You surely wouldn't expect me to blindly believe all I see on here.

God gave us the ability to have doubts for a reason...one of which is to protect us from false prophets and antichrists (to see it in a christian sense).

The paranormal world is full of charlatans and very few genuine souls.

If any world need skeptisms it's this one.

To protect it from the falsifiers and the gullible.

So anyone posting a thread concerning a conspiracy should surely expect it to be examined and prodded.

"The Real Adolph Hitler"?

Come on. You're inviting me.

If I posted "The Real David Icke." You'd be examining it with a fine tooth comb and criticising every wobbly bit of it.

Sorry, but I think you are copping out of this thread because I spoiled it by examining it and finding it to be false.

If you've had to admit to yourselves a bit of doubt over Hitler being a jew, then you have a balanced view of the available evidence.

You may not want to admit that because you think it will boost my strange ego.

[edelweiss pirate]

No smoke without fire...

And there's a lot of smoke:

jewish Hitler - Google Search

I don't know what your angle is Albie and I still don't know why you have plagued the David Icke forums over the years, first as a troll and now it seems as an advocate for the Jewish race.

Are you Jewish? As it goes I have Jewish family, it doesn't effect in any way my opinion that something is very wrong with the Jewish religion and that their failure to accept Jesus as their Messiah has more than any other issue, helped create the fucked up world of today...

And the Talmud's a barrel of laughs too. Rascism? These guys taught the nazis everything they know...

By the way here is one of the oh-so rigourous denial by the Jewish virtual library on the issue above (sounds like they must have taught you a few things Albie...):

Was Hitler Jewish?

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One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.


So there ya go... According to the Jewish Virtual Library Hitler was not Jewish...

(saracasm mode on) We can all rest easy now! (sarcasm mode off).

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Dudi Goldman Published: 01.02.07, 09:50 / Israel News





Just when you thought the Iranian leadership could stoop no further: MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) reported that a top advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed in an interview with Iranian website Baztab that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's parents were both Jewish and that Hitler himself was one of the founders of the State of Israel.

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In the interview, translated by MEMRI, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, a chief aide to Ahmadinejad, told Baztab that Hitler's paternal grandmother was a Jewish prostitute and his father even kept his Jewish name until finally changing it to Hitler when he was 40.
Ramin also claimed that the reason Hitler developed such an aversion to Judaism was because his Jewish mother was a promiscuous woman. Hitler therefore, says Ramin, tried to escape his religion.



Ramin cites a 1974 book by Hennecke Kardel titled 'Adolf Hitler: Founder of Israel', which alleges that Hitler strived to create a Jewish state as a result of being influenced by his Jewish relatives and his cooperation with Britain – which also wanted to drive the Jews out of Europe.

Ramin claims in the interview that Hitler both identified with his Judaism and was disgusted by it. It is these ambivalent feelings, said Ramin, that formed the basis for his treatment of Jews.

According to Ramin on the one hand Hitler's relatives and the friends who brought him to power, as well as his mistresses and personal physician, were all Jewish.

On the other hand he welcomed the expulsion of ambitious and influential Jews from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine.

[i am all i am]

Poetry is a form of creation.

Conspiracy theories are often pure creation, true.:D

Finding truth is surely our aim.

If that means scrutinising every bit of info to ensure it can't be denied, then that's what we must do.

You surely wouldn't expect me to blindly believe all I see on here.

God gave us the ability to have doubts for a reason...one of which is to protect us from false prophets and antichrists (to see it in a christian sense).

The paranormal world is full of charlatans and very few genuine souls.

If any world need skeptisms it's this one.

To protect it from the falsifiers and the gullible.

So anyone posting a thread concerning a conspiracy should surely expect it to be examined and prodded.

"The Real Adolph Hitler"?

Come on. You're inviting me.

If I posted "The Real David Icke." You'd be examining it with a fine tooth comb and criticising every wobbly bit of it.

Sorry, but I think you are copping out of this thread because I spoiled it by examining it and finding it to be false.

If you've had to admit to yourselves a bit of doubt over Hitler being a jew, then you have a balanced view of the available evidence.

You may not want to admit that because you think it will boost my strange ego.


G'day Albie,

You've 'appeared' to express yourself. How you do so is your choice, as it is the choice of all others for their own reasons. Your reasons are no more or less than any others reasons.

As you haven't found the truth and are still searching, allow me to help you out.

What is TRUTH ? .....THAT THE ONENESS IS ALL.....

Now you no longer need to search and can enjoy the entertainment of experiencing all aspects of life as you see fit.

To live your life without expectations is freedom.

What you choose to believe, or not believe, is merely your choice. Everyone else has their choice and if you expect them to believe as you do, you will be disappointed. Expectations ruin relationships. By merely posting what you choose to, and allowing others the same privilege, you will free yourself from requiring any satisfaction for your "strange ego".


With LOVE.
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[edelweiss pirate]

More fire:

Dear Cecil:

I and a number of my friends were raised Jewish. In different Sunday and Hebrew schools, we all heard myths that Hitler was Jewish, and some said that his heritage, not the impending allied victory, caused him to commit suicide. One stubborn boy insists that Hitler's father was at least half Jewish, and that young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult. Secular teachers, history books, and encyclopedias make no mention of Hitler having any Jewish blood. I hope you, Cecil the all-knowing, can set the record straight. -- Anonymous, Dallas

Cecil replies:

Wish I could oblige, bubeleh. But while Hitler probably didn't have any Jewish blood, it can't be completely ruled out. Hitler's father was illegitimate and to this day there is some question about who his grandfather was. Throughout his career he was dogged by rumors about his pedigree, some of them circulated by his fellow Nazis. In 1933 the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler. It's now known the Bucharest Hitler could not have been grandfather to our Adolf, but Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.

Here's what we know: Hitler's paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, gave birth to Alois, Hitler's father, in 1837. She was 42 and unmarried at the time and apparently never revealed the father's identity. Five years later she married Johann Georg Hiedler or Hitler (spelling was a bit casual in those days). But Alois kept the surname Schicklgruber until he was 39 years old.

In 1876 a new baptismal certificate was issued declaring that Alois's stepfather J.G. Hiedler was in fact his real father. By this time both Maria and J.G. were dead. Why the name change so late in the day nobody really knows, but there is speculation that Alois did it so he could come into an inheritance. At any rate, few researchers today believe J.G. was really Alois's father.

Now for the weird stuff. After the war Hitler's former lawyer, Hans Frank, claimed that Adolf told him in 1930 that one of his relatives was trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his alleged Jewish ancestry. Hitler asked Frank to find out the facts. Frank says he determined that at the time Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois, she was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son, according to Frank, was Alois's father and Hitler's grandfather--which would make the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.

Frank's allegations have vexed historians ever since. The distinguished Hitler scholar Werner Maser was so irritated he claimed Frank made the whole thing up. Others think Frank was telling the truth but that the research he did for Hitler was faulty. It turns out that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s; what's more, so far as can be determined, Maria Schicklgruber never lived in Graz. Frank's source for the Frankenberger yarn was a distant relation of Hitler's, who supposedly had letters exchanged by the Frankenbergers and Maria Schicklgruber. (It's claimed they gave her child support.) But neither the relative nor the letters have ever surfaced, and chances are it's all a crock.

So who really was Hitler's grandfather? Werner Maser thinks it was the brother of his legal grandfather, one Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. But that's not all. J. Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Klara Poelzl, Hitler's mom. In other words, J.N. was both Adolph's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather. I'm not about to tell you any of this was the proximate cause of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, his suicide, or anything else. Still, if you believe Maser, not only was Hitler twisted, so was his family tree.

--CECIL ADAMS

[tru3]

If I posted "The Real David Icke." You'd be examining it with a fine tooth comb and criticising every wobbly bit of it.

lol. that's fair enough i guess. imo, there is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism, in these times. discernment is important too.

discern: to perceive by the sight or other sense or by the intellect; see, recognize or apprehend.

so, my inability to see something is influenced by my pre-existing beliefs. don't we all fall prey to this? i know i do.

much of what i post is based on things i've studied or read, but many times i go on intuition, and people sometimes validate that intuition. sometimes not. the point is that if i held back because i believed someone would think i was being "irrational" i would miss those gifts. i've shared things or witnessed for other people's posts, things that look nutsy koo-koo on face value, and it has validated the truth of their own experience and released them from the prison of doubting their own experience.

i'm not saying i'm some kind of oracle; we all have this ability because we are connected at the level of Conscious Awareness. some trust this ability more than others. there's lots of deeply intuitive people in this forum, and when they write from a position of personal experience and autonomy, i take extra time to weigh what they have to say. when considered dispassionately they can begin to create a mosaic; each piece is whole and complete, but together they are greater than the sum of their parts.

sometimes, just putting myself out there speaking "my" truth in a respectful way, and not worrying about what others think, allows a greater understanding to emerge. and sometimes, i'm wrong, or i mean well, but simply make an error in perception.

we all come to this forum holding different threads. together, we're weaving a tapestry. the ill. is a thousand headed hydra living and breeding in the shadow; there's no way any one person can see the whole picture; not me, not icke, and not albie.

anything shared with the intention of serving Truth can't hurt, imv. we're all going to keep what resonates with us and discard the rest, anyway. that's the nature of the filter called mind. :)

[albie]

You see, there's not one bit of actual evidence in all that you've given me. The Iranian leader gives no evidence, and he's basically bouncing back the myths in an altered form. He is BOUND to believe this myth as an Anti-Zionist myth is popular in the middle east for obvious reasons.

The Frankenberger myth is a hoax, and I've heard it didn't come from a relative of Hitler but a German guard caught after the war.

As is shown it was a myth.

All started by Dollfuss. Dollfuss is the earliest account we have of the myth. And the evidence he gives (nothing) is so obviously made up propoganda.

You've got to remember this was a TIME of propoganda.

Smoke without fire? Never seen a smoke machine?

The idea that you can just say "no smoke without fire" is redundant. I can make up a dozen lies about anyone and post them. And people will believe them.

Mud sticks is my answer to "no smoke without fire."

Lies stick.

Maybe it is true. Evaluating the given evidence I would say there was a 1% chance of Hitler being a Jew.

Why would you believe something so unlikely?

Because it's part of the over all anti-jew aura that Icke is spreading.

To say that the jews created hitler and the war and the holocaust so that they could get Israel is a highly offensive idea to be putting about, especially as your evidence for it is so bad.

I'm not a jew. I've never even met a jew. Do I favor the jew? No. If these lies were being spread about anyone I'd crush them.

You don't need intuition for this subject as all the evidence is there to see, and it's bad evidence.

Get to heaven by hating the jews? No thanks.

[albie]

And what sort of evidence did Dollfuss "find"? Some sort of offical record that Maria Shicklegruber worked in a certain house? Why would such a document be filed away or even exist? what would be the point?

Would the government have a list of every place you worked?

If so, surely it's down to your employer to provide that info for them. Not you.

So if she was working in a Rothschild house and they wanted to impregnate her and later use her Grandson to start a war and they wanted to keep it all secret, why would they then go to the trouble of telling the government that she was working there?

suppose they did send the right forms off, or Maria sent them off,why did they allow them to survive and sit in a filing cabinet?


If the Illuminati wanted to keep this secret then why didn't they break in and steal the document? or burn the offices down? Or have a freemason working in the records department steal it?

So many holes. No wonder most historians consider it bunkum.:D

[marvinbarcelona]

No smoke without fire...

And there's a lot of smoke:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=jewish+Hitler&meta=

Are you Jewish? As it goes I have Jewish family, it doesn't effect in any way my opinion that something is very wrong with the Jewish religion and that their failure to accept Jesus as their Messiah has more than any other issue, helped create the fucked up world of today...


First post by me, but.......what!!?????!!!!

My friend, you have some serious issues if you believe that.

[albie]

yeah, i missed that bit. jesus is your messiah?

(gulp):confused:

[john white]

ah, sweet sweet music!

SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER, IN GERMANY....


Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...
CHORUS:
Look, it's springtime
LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
Winter for Poland and France
CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER:
Springtime for Hitler and Germany!
CHORUS:
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!
Springtime! Springtime!

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I cant resist

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

ROFL!

[tru3]

I cant resist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5KM2HosqOo

ROFL!

thanks, john. smile for the day! just keepin' it real, dawg, like always.

mel brooks is the master of laughing at the devil-- the surest way to beat' im.