IKEA first 2 stop selling incandescent light bulbs

[real6]

Consumer groups mixed on EU switch to new light bulbs

http://euobserver.com/9/28586

Leading consumer groups have voiced disapproval over the full switch-over to new energy-efficient light bulbs, due to take place across the EU from next week.

From Tuesday (1 September), 100-watt versions of classic, incandescent bulbs will be banned from shops in the 27 EU member states in the first phase of a process that will take several years. The most widely used bulbs, the 40-watt and 25-watt versions, will disappear in 2012 while all energy-inefficient bulbs will be removed by 2016.

Consumer groups hailed the financial benefits of new light bulbs but warned of health risks involved (Photo: European Commission)

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The move comes as a result of a decision by EU leaders in March 2007. The European Commission estimates that some 40 terawatt hours of energy per year could be saved once the switch-over is completed.

New light bulbs last eight to 15 times longer and can save up to 80 percent of the energy used on lighting in Europeans' homes, reducing their bills, as well as helping in the fight against climate change.

Consumer groups have hailed the financial and environment benefits of the gradual phase-out but also warn of drawbacks, such as the absence of provisions for people with health problems, including light sensitivity.

"We call on the European Commission to take immediate measures to ensure that people who rely on incandescent light bulbs will be able to buy these bulbs until suitable alternative lighting technologies are available," BEUC, the Brussels-based European consumers' rights organisation, said in a statement.

The group also pointed to concerns about the health risks from the high mercury content of the new bulbs.

"We urge the commission to lower the limit values for mercury and to introduce a better recycling system. Although the current threshold is set at 5 mg of mercury per bulb, the best available technology enables the bulb to work with only 1-2 mg," Stephen Russell from ANEC, the European Consumer Voice in Standardisation, said.

A recent survey among Austrians showed the real affect of consumer fears about the new technology bulbs.

In a poll by UFH, a Vienna-based firm that disposes of used electronic devices, released on Thursday (27 August), 64 percent of respondents said the new EU guideline phasing out classic light bulbs was nonsensical, Wiener Zeitung reported.

Over a half of Austrian interviewees (60.4%) said they were poorly informed about energy-saving bulbs while 43 percent said the new bulbs lacked variety in terms of design and size.

Some 53.6 percent of respondents said they feared the breaking of one of the new bulbs could threaten their health because of mercury contamination.

[elixirsoo]

I must have missed something regarding this light bulb thing... What's caused all this panic about low energy bulbs and mercury? :confused:

I must have deliberately broken umpteen thermometers when I was a kid so I could play with the 'quick silver', which was dangerous by all accounts.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about.

[daria]

Some info about mercury.

http://www.naturalnews.com/016544.html

[elixirsoo]

Some info about mercury.

http://www.naturalnews.com/016544.html

Thanks for the link daria - I still don't understand the panic on the bulbs, which I've been using for years. :confused:

[21_12_2012]

Thanks for the link daria - I still don't understand the panic on the bulbs, which I've been using for years. :confused:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/89185/Dangers-of-low-energy-lightbulbs

Try typing:- "mercury lightbulb dangers" or similar into google/yahoo

[real6]

Pensioner stockpiles 1,000 banned lightbulbs so she can read for rest of her life

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212514/Pensioner-hoards-1-000-incandescent-lightbulbs-read-rest-life-following-EU-ban.html

A pensioner has defied an EU ban by hoarding more than 1,000 traditional light bulbs - enough to see her 'into the grave'.

Valerie Hemsley-Flint, 62, has spent more than £500 of her pension money stockpiling the old-style 100-watt bulbs.

From September 1, EU countries were banned from producing or importing incandescent bulbs and shops can sell only energy-efficient ones.
Enlarge Valerie Hemsley-Flint

Lighting up: Valerie Hemsley-Flint has bought more than 1,000 traditional light bulbs to last her for the rest of her life

But Miss Hemsley-Flint said the light from them is not good enough for her to read by and the flickering sets off her epilepsy.

So she has bought 1,100 old-style bulbs and is calling on the Government to scrap the ban.

From her home in Sittingbourne, Kent, Miss Hemsley-Flint said: 'I suffer from photosensitive epilepsy, which means I can't get near any screen or anything that flickers.

'I worked out that if I live as long as my aunts did - into their 90s - I would need about 30 years' worth of the old-style bulbs for each room.

'I have more than 1,000 now - in fact 1,100. It has cost me a small fortune but for me it's worth it and will see me through to the grave.'

The former teacher, who also suffers from migraines, estimates she needs about 20 bulbs at a time to light her £300,000 three-bedroom country cottage.

Homeowners are being forced to switch to eco-friendly bulbs, which last longer but cost more than twice as much and have been criticised for taking too long to reach full brightness.

The energy-saving bulbs, which need 20 to 23 watts of electricity to generate the same amount of light as a traditional 100-watt bulb, have also been linked to a raft of medical conditions such as migraines, epilepsy and lupus, which causes inflammation of the body's tissues.

The British Association of Dermatologists said it would be a 'real worry' if no exceptions were made for people whose skin conditions were made worse by the bulbs.

Climate campaigners say the fluorescent lamps are needed to save millions of tons of CO2. A Green Party spokesman said: 'There are a lot of myths about this. The bulbs do take a little while to warm up but the light that is created is the same.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212514/Pensioner-hoards-1-000-incandescent-lightbulbs-read-rest-life-following-EU-ban.html#ixzz0Qp2tiIIf

[real6]

IKEA becomes the first major retailer to stop selling incandescent light bulbs
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/ikea-stops-selling-incandescent-bulbs-engadget.jpg
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/ikea-becomes-the-first-major-retailer-to-stop-selling-incandesce/

Remember The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 which mandated that all US retailers must stop selling incandescent bulbs by 2012? If you don't, you're apparently not alone, since according to a lighting survey conducted for IKEA back in 2010, 61% of Americans weren't aware of the legislation either. Luckily for those not in the know, IKEA was kind enough to remind the world of the upcoming change by proudly announcing that they've stopped selling the power-sucking bulbs a whole year early -- making them the first retailer in the US to comply with the bill. To help customers deal with the switch the furniture giant will sell visitors compact fluorescent and halogen bulbs -- in addition to LED lamps. That's seems like smart business considering the same lighting survey says 67% of Americans care about using energy saving lights, while 81% say using more efficient lights is a good environmental practice. So much for incandescent bulbs making a comeback eh?

[beldazar]

Thanks for the reminder. The local new 'pound shop' in my town has a supply of 75 watt incandescent bulbs going cheap, I really must get some. Candles make a bit of a mess and with two children in the house I would have to be very careful with them.

No way am I using the 'energy-saving' ones :mad:

[snapdragon]

Good,
http://shop.bordgaisenergy.ie/WebRoot/Store/Shops/BGE/4BB5/D587/F2D1/62FF/2876/0A09/080A/3E27/philips-genie-alt1-push-450x450-.jpg
but they should have banned BC bayonet fittings at the same time and converted the UK over to Edison Screw.

With Edison Screw we would get the full range of lamps available here at a good price, rather than some basic crap Communist-issue 9w or 11w Philips Genies.

I was amazed when I went to Asia at the choice, price and quality of the lamps compared to the UK.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqLKF7hQwZCIX1FAjtAdMWAp2gAzSzn R8uejnb5MdKg1Tp9SEOhttp://www.best-b2b.com/userimg/867/883-2/energy-saving-lamp-lotus-shape-cfl-hh-butterfly-687.jpghttp://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/307668970/lotus_CFL_energy_saving_light_and_lamlp.jpg
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f1j00QewTUZhEYHbB/Energy-Saving-Lamp-Lotus-Shape-CFL-HH-Flower.jpghttp://img.alibaba.com/photo/50643887/High_Power_Energy_Saving_Lamp__300W__200W__150W__1 25W__105W_.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUx64s9b94NSBOsgxTLrnGuS4lQEBLN lVPrKXMerwmPfMIU6dc1Ahttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:zw0kHSfxX_uSGM:http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_5Ahe9P6qgSnntN4kib6GeftLYTJPL Z6KZ5A4CttgqWjrJsALhttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:xhRA-UQ1L9zsBM:

[sweeping_meteor]

No way am I using the 'energy-saving' ones :mad:

why not?

[beldazar]

why not?

Dirty Electricity - Part 1 - Rays of Rash - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 2 - Dirty Energy - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 3 - Reaction To Rays - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 4 - Electrical Shock - YouTube

https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=the+dangers+of+energy-saving+lightbulbs&cat=web&pl=ie&language=english


And here is my most favourite one of all. Made by REALFAKE

It's a well established fact that the tubes in these 'parody candles' are filled with mercury vapour gas. When electricity flows through them it causes the mercury vapour to give off light in the ultraviolet range, which, in turn, stimulates the phosphorous coating on the inside of the tube, producing visible light. The process is known as luminescence and is used to describe a process by which light is produced other than by heating.

I take it that you're familiar with the whole Lucifer; light bringer/bearer, illuminated, charade? If so, this'll make you chuckle..

Phosphorescence, means to glow after 'illumination' hence the name taken from Greek mythology - "light-bearer" (Lucifer) If you have any of these energy savers in your home, hit the light switch after dark, leave the bulb on for a moment, then turn it off, allow your eyes to adjust and you'll see this very glow after illumination with your own eyes.

Another example of luminescence 'illumination' would be fireflies. They produce light by means of chemical reactions that take place within their bodies. They convert a compound known as luciferin which is oxidized by the enzyme luciferase, producing, oxyluciferin. As this process occurs, energy is given off in the form of light.. can you see the theme?

Put simply, those energy saving light bulbs don't light your home, they 'illuminate' it.. my, oh my.

And this brings us back to the humble incandescent light bulb and the star of the show, our Sun. If you are not familiar with the process of incandescence - It is the production of light from heat. Our Sun gives off both heat and light by this process and an incandescent light bulb gives off light when a wire filament inside the bulb is heated white hot.

It stands to reason; if you have such a problem with the heat emission of incandescent bulbs, and you've bent over backwards to replace every last one because of their 'heat' emissions, then you're going to have a far larger issue with an incandescent, powerhouse that measures well over a million kilometers in diameter, and is the the source of almost all the heat that warms the Earth.

In incandescence all atoms radiate; In luminescence only a small fraction of the atoms, called emission centers, emit light.. The latter sounds like an example of the very 'limitation' that David Icke speaks about, and the former provides a little insight into why the elite have such a problem with the Sun..

[carnivalofsouls]

Energy saving lamps are crap their lighting makes me sick especially the fluorecent ones. Some leds i can stand but generally i got this strange feeling that since our bodies need light for some mechanisms like the production of vitamins, could the energy saving ones and therefore the lack of proper light lead to depression and stuff like that? coz i sure as hell get depressed with some of their sick blueish hues. it's just vomit inducing!:eek:

[sweeping_meteor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVLa_tRslY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A55081TOlbQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kdvHUUDsJ0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOwyn-xVXV4&feature=related

https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=the+dangers+of+energy-saving+lightbulbs&cat=web&pl=ie&language=english


And here is my most favourite one of all. Made by REALFAKE

wow i didnt know any of that

[snapdragon]

"The goyim have been trained to make up problems to complain about, in so doing, that they don't care about the real issues."

[truthseeker1980]

Good,
http://shop.bordgaisenergy.ie/WebRoot/Store/Shops/BGE/4BB5/D587/F2D1/62FF/2876/0A09/080A/3E27/philips-genie-alt1-push-450x450-.jpg
but they should have banned BC bayonet fittings at the same time and converted the UK over to Edison Screw.

With Edison Screw we would get the full range of lamps available here at a good price, rather than some basic crap Communist-issue 9w or 11w Philips Genies.

I was amazed when I went to Asia at the choice, price and quality of the lamps compared to the UK.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqLKF7hQwZCIX1FAjtAdMWAp2gAzSzn R8uejnb5MdKg1Tp9SEOhttp://www.best-b2b.com/userimg/867/883-2/energy-saving-lamp-lotus-shape-cfl-hh-butterfly-687.jpghttp://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/307668970/lotus_CFL_energy_saving_light_and_lamlp.jpg
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f1j00QewTUZhEYHbB/Energy-Saving-Lamp-Lotus-Shape-CFL-HH-Flower.jpghttp://img.alibaba.com/photo/50643887/High_Power_Energy_Saving_Lamp__300W__200W__150W__1 25W__105W_.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUx64s9b94NSBOsgxTLrnGuS4lQEBLN lVPrKXMerwmPfMIU6dc1Ahttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:zw0kHSfxX_uSGM:http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_5Ahe9P6qgSnntN4kib6GeftLYTJPL Z6KZ5A4CttgqWjrJsALhttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:xhRA-UQ1L9zsBM:

You can convert it yourself quite easily, it's just a case of wiring a screw light fiting instead of a bayonet one.

All the lights in my flat are screw fitting ones apart from one in the ceiling.

Stock up on the old light bulbs now, they were supposed to have been made illegal in the UK last year but most shops still have them.

[real6]

And here is my most favourite one of all. Made by REALFAKE

That's pretty funny. Did you make that all up by yourself?

[beldazar]

That's pretty funny. Did you make that all up by yourself?

no, realfake is a former member, a very much missed former member who knew his stuff, you laugh at anything :eek: :D

[irrepressible]

Ahh don't you just love the Orwellian industrial harsh light these things give off?
Not to mention what they contain. Apparently if they break you have to contact Environmental Health for them to clean up and dispose of safely.

[rachelangelo]

but they should have banned BC bayonet fittings at the same time and converted the UK over to Edison Screw.


Funny you should say that. The people that built the building I live in (in the uk) were enviro-mentalists and all of the light fittings have a bayonet fixing with three prongs instead of two so you can only use one type of energy saving bulb. I've never actually been able to find any to buy so I just use the halogen spots in the hallway and kitchen. Nice low level lighting :D

[real6]

no, realfake is a former member, a very much missed former member who knew his stuff, you laugh at anything :eek: :D

Only at the little invisible violin in between my finger tips :p

[curtaincat]

Thanks for the reminder. The local new 'pound shop' in my town has a supply of 75 watt incandescent bulbs going cheap, I really must get some. Candles make a bit of a mess and with two children in the house I would have to be very careful with them.

No way am I using the 'energy-saving' ones :mad:

Like I said in the other lightbulb thread, Get Them While YOU Still Can, BEL !

You will be surprised as hell when they f'ing disappear off the shelves.

It will happen b4 u know it, cos it happened to me, dammit!!! I really wish i had taken Steppes advice.

this is really bad news. Just stock up! ( and when people run out, I think you even might have to get new light sockets for new bulbs, not sure)

When it happened here, at the last minute, the only ones left were 100 watts, so I have quite a few of them. I have run out of 75, have some 60 and a few 40 and a few 25 watts..

This is total BS! sucks! Get them while u still can. :)

[curtaincat]

Funny you should say that. The people that built the building I live in (in the uk) were enviro-mentalists and all of the light fittings have a bayonet fixing with three prongs instead of two so you can only use one type of energy saving bulb. I've never actually been able to find any to buy so I just use the halogen spots in the hallway and kitchen. Nice low level lighting :D

Just what I said, they are changing the light sockets... so you can't even use your lovely old bulbs in certain places.

[real6]

Hi mods, any possibly way to merge all these incandescent light bulb threads into one super one?

Thanks :)

[real6]

Hi mods, any possibly way to merge all these incandescent light bulb threads into one super one?

Thanks :)

[curtaincat]

Ahh don't you just love the Orwellian industrial harsh light these things give off?
Not to mention what they contain. Apparently if they break you have to contact Environmental Health for them to clean up and dispose of safely.

Yep, and I bet heaps of people dont even know or care. ( the type of people that dont want to know or care about anything )

If they are not safe enough to be put in a rubbish bin or tip... then they are not safe enough to be in peoples homes. :eek:

[mrunhappy]

Energy saving lamps are crap their lighting makes me sick especially the fluorecent ones. Some leds i can stand but generally i got this strange feeling that since our bodies need light for some mechanisms like the production of vitamins, could the energy saving ones and therefore the lack of proper light lead to depression and stuff like that? coz i sure as hell get depressed with some of their sick blueish hues. it's just vomit inducing!:eek:

And yet some people grow plants under CFL's/fluorescents.

[mrunhappy]

Like I said in the other lightbulb thread, Get Them While YOU Still Can, BEL !

You will be surprised as hell when they f'ing disappear off the shelves.

It will happen b4 u know it, cos it happened to me, dammit!!! I really wish i had taken Steppes advice.

this is really bad news. Just stock up! ( and when people run out, I think you even might have to get new light sockets for new bulbs, not sure)

When it happened here, at the last minute, the only ones left were 100 watts, so I have quite a few of them. I have run out of 75, have some 60 and a few 40 and a few 25 watts..

This is total BS! sucks! Get them while u still can. :)

100W bulbs? You really want to burn that much electricity?

Why not buy LED's instead? Much better.

[llanfairpwll]

Energy saving lamps are crap their lighting makes me sick especially the fluorecent ones. Some leds i can stand but generally i got this strange feeling that since our bodies need light for some mechanisms like the production of vitamins, could the energy saving ones and therefore the lack of proper light lead to depression and stuff like that? coz i sure as hell get depressed with some of their sick blueish hues. it's just vomit inducing!:eek:

I have some of these lightbulbs and I just hate them. They even make a irritating noise that gives me a headache. You can only hear it when everything is quiet though. I think you are right about the depression bit. I had some classes where I sat directly under a flourescent tube light and just felt so dull after leaving the class. No energy whatsoever and it wasn't because the class was boring.

[curtaincat]

100W bulbs? You really want to burn that much electricity?

Why not buy LED's instead? Much better.

100w is all they had left, I got desperate, hello? As if I wanted that... I only want 60 tops...

You wait till they run out., then u gotta get wot u can. That is why I am telling Bel to get it while they are still available. I was silly enough to leave it almost too late.
But.... I stilll want the old-fashioned lovely glow of the yellow light, not the horrible stuff in the mercury stuff. it is scary. I hope she listens to me.:)

and all of you... get them while u can. Cos, they are banned in australia... and none of us want the poison ones.

[curtaincat]

And yet some people grow plants under CFL's/fluorescents.

I think there is a diff type of light for that, plants, etc.. not sure, not an expert... but they are diff.

[curtaincat]

Hi mods, any possibly way to merge all these incandescent light bulb threads into one super one?

Thanks :)

Yes, I was just gonna say that, too.

Please MODS, when u get the chance, all these very informative threads would be good to be MERGED.

thanks :cool:

[beldazar]

Only at the little invisible violin in between my finger tips :p

:rolleyes: :D

[real6]

:rolleyes: :D

This one's on me ;)

http://blog.collegebars.net/uploads/10-reasons-to-drink-beer/10-reasons-to-drink-beer-3.jpg

[mrunhappy]

I think there is a diff type of light for that, plants, etc.. not sure, not an expert... but they are diff.

some use HID or Sodium, some use CFL's..

[real6]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032480/Shoppers-bulk-buy-60-watt-bulbs-EU-ban-comes-place.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/01/article-2032480-02C1D5C1000004B0-420_468x313.jpg
Lights out, all out! Shoppers bulk buy 60-watt bulbs as EU ban comes into place.

First it was the 100-watt, then the 75-watt and now it's the turn of their dimmer relative the 60-watt incandescent light bulb to disappear from British shop shelves for ever.
As of midnight its manufacture has been banned by the EU, prompting shoppers to buy the bulbs in bulk because stores are still allowed to sell them until stocks run out.
The ban, which aims to force people to switch to energy-saving alternatives, has been slammed by consumers who claim halogen and compact fluorescent lamp bulbs are just not bright enough.

Lights out: The manufacture of incandescent 60-watt bulbs has been banned by the EU
They are now hoping to overturn the outlawing, with health charity representative the Spectrum Alliance saying two million Britons could be adversely affected by the new bulbs.

More...
The light fantastic: Bulbs could soon be used to broadcast household broadband
It claims the lights, which emit ultraviolet rays, can lead to migraines.
The group has been backed by Sheila Gilmore, the Labour MP for Edinburgh East, who in June tabled an early day motion in the House of Commons.

Banned: Shoppers are bulk buying 60-watt bulbs because stores are still allowed to sell them until stocks run out
She called for incandescent bulbs to remain available for people who suffer from light-sensitive illnesses.
Shops have said there is still great demand for the old-style bulbs.
QVS electrical wholersaler's Lee Johnson told the Telegraph: 'We are getting customers asking for them and there will still be demand for them.'
And lighting design consultant Kevan Shaw, who launched the Save The Bulb campaign, said people were 'not physiologically attuned to the type of fake light' that energy-saving bulbs gave.
But the EU's Energy Commissioner Günther Oettinger has defended the move.
He said: 'Edison's light bulb, which has produced light for more than 100 years, is simply no longer the state of the art when it comes to lighting.
'They just consume too much energy for the light they produce.'
He said the new lamps could save up to 80 per cent more energy and last 10 times longer.
The EU wants to cut energy consumption in the continent by 20 per cent by 2020.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032480/Shoppers-bulk-buy-60-watt-bulbs-EU-ban-comes-place.html#ixzz1WkQCimFr

[ownoiz]

I dont use compact fluoros at all since the bans...i get cheap LED bulbs frm ebay (hong kong)

Problem solved, and they use less juice, and i kinda like the light better.

One can find cheap LEDs online if they buy a few at a time



Energy saving lamps are crap their lighting makes me sick especially the fluorecent ones. Some leds i can stand but generally i got this strange feeling that since our bodies need light for some mechanisms like the production of vitamins, could the energy saving ones and therefore the lack of proper light lead to depression and stuff like that? coz i sure as hell get depressed with some of their sick blueish hues. it's just vomit inducing!:eek:


Thats what the sun is for ey. :D

If you or anyone else is relying on wire filaments getting hot to replace the sun its not good :D and if you are, at least get some High Pressure sodium globes to get more of the spectrum...you can find them at hydroponic stores :D
.

[sceptic]

Whats wrong with you people?
Dont you want to save money on electricity by using fluorescent globes.

[beldazar]

100w is all they had left, I got desperate, hello? As if I wanted that... I only want 60 tops...

You wait till they run out., then u gotta get wot u can. That is why I am telling Bel to get it while they are still available. I was silly enough to leave it almost too late.
But.... I stilll want the old-fashioned lovely glow of the yellow light, not the horrible stuff in the mercury stuff. it is scary. I hope she listens to me.:)and all of you... get them while u can. Cos, they are banned in australia... and none of us want the poison ones.

I will hun, I most certainly will. I hve a stack in my attic and I gave away a pack to my neighbours whose little girl is plastered in excema..you guessed it, they still aren't using them. :(


Whats wrong with you people?
Dont you want to save money on electricity by using fluorescent globes.

Stupid post. Saving money is so much more important than yours and other peoples health of course. :rolleyes:

I didn't see these videos posted on this thread but worth a watch if you haven't seen them.

Dirty Electricity - Part 1 - Rays of Rash - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 2 - Dirty Energy - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 3 - Reaction To Rays - YouTube

Dirty Electricity - Part 4 - Electrical Shock - YouTube

[sceptic]

Quote
"Stupid post. Saving money is so much more important than yours and other peoples health of course. :rolleyes:"

Do you not think that by using less electricity we will make the world a little bit more enviromently freindly and thus more healthy for all of us .
Smart arse.

[hajj_3]

I dont use compact fluoros at all since the bans...i get cheap LED bulbs frm ebay (hong kong)

Problem solved, and they use less juice, and i kinda like the light better.

One can find cheap LEDs online if they buy a few at a time
.

got a link?

[tien an]

Quote
"Stupid post. Saving money is so much more important than yours and other peoples health of course. :rolleyes:"

Do you not think that by using less electricity we will make the world a little bit more enviromently freindly and thus more healthy for all of us .
Smart arse.

Do you not think that by NOT using bulbs that contain mercury, we will make the world a little more environmentally friendly and thus healthier for all of us?

Do you realise that when one of these energy-saving flourescent bulbs breaks, it is classed as a 'hazardous operation' and requires the adoption of measures akin to an industrial chemical cleanup operation?

Do you realise that the (admittedly minute quantity of) mercury in these bulbs will leak into the landfill where they are dumped and possibly into the water supply of future generations?

Do you realise that if bulbs didn't have a limited life of 1,000hrs, and were produced to function more economically, we wouldn't need to bend to the whims of a committe in the EU that no one voted for, that is accountable to no one, and haven't submitted their financial records for inspection since it was called into existence?

Who are you trying to kid?


tian an.

[dan duchaine]

Light bulbs that dont give out any light. Nice, can only be a creation of our bankercommuno-psychopathic chums in power.

[tien an]

Light bulbs that dont give out any light. Nice, can only be a creation of our bankercommuno-psychopathic chums in power.

That would be the committe I mentioned in my post above...I didn't want to use the term Nazi, but f**k me; there it is...it just slipped out.


tian an.

[dan duchaine]

That would be the committe I mentioned in my post above...I didn't want to use the term Nazi, but f**k me; there it is...it just slipped out.


tian an.

Sorry i missed that, did you say these people are NAZIS?

[steppewar]

It's obvious that CFL bulbs are bad for you. This is why the Elite (the enemy) are trying to force everyone to use them.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future they get the SAS to raid my flat and destroy my stock of harmless incandescent bulbs.

[tien an]

It's obvious that CFL bulbs are bad for you. This is why the Elite (the enemy) are trying to force everyone to use them.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future they get the SAS to raid my flat and destroy my stock of harmless incandescent bulbs.

What? You mean they haven't been yet?
You're a terrorist with instruments of mass illumination!


tian an.

[gardener]

Be careful when buying LED bulbs, especially if you suffer from epilepsy! I recommend only buying brand name LED bulbs, but they are too expensive at the moment I think.

Two months ago I bought 3 LED bulbs that were cheap at ALDI for the ceiling lamp in my living room. They are bright enough for me, and less cold colored than the CFLs. But when I switched them on in the evening, i thought that i was in a disco! They produce a stroboscopic effect, any movement of objects and yourself is choppy and stuttering, its crazy! The bulbs themselves don't flicker if you look at them.

So beware. CFLs flicker slightly, and give cold artificial light, and can release mercury. Cheap LEDs can flicker even more, but save the most energy.

[reptileslayer]

why not?A. Because they are dangerous. and B. Because they are crap for lighting up a room, you can see sod all with them.

[curtaincat]

What? You mean they haven't been yet?
You're a terrorist with instruments of mass illumination!


tian an.

the bad lightbulbs have mass illumination... the exact opposite of steppe's bulbs.
Read the thread again, especially where Bel explains the dif between Sun and Moon type of lighting.

( otherwise, great posts, tien )

[greatdayforfreedom]

After learning about Ikea banning the bulbs, it made me panic. I have been procrastinating for too long and i know time is of the essence. I have just purchased 50 incandescent bulbs and i plan on buying a lot more.

[phaid]

I bought some of the old type today from a shop where the guy can get them marked as 'for industrial use', as factories have said that they still need to keep using them but I dunno what will happen there when they're phased out.

He seemed to be doing a lot of business and said he was bulk ordering them in, so I made a point of thanking him for stocking them.

[cadenza]

I know this will be of little importance to some but, when the old light bulbs become unavailable, there will be many exotic pet owners wondering how to provide basking light for their little 'babies', and what about those pets who need special UV lighting to keep healthy? Some exotic pets are destined to end up at the RSPCA as their owners will not be able to look after them properly.

[silverwand]

It's obvious that CFL bulbs are bad for you. This is why the Elite (the enemy) are trying to force everyone to use them.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future they get the SAS to raid my flat and destroy my stock of harmless incandescent bulbs.

So true, they are trying to force these crappy bulbs on us all.

I also have a stash of incandescent bulbs although not as many as you have :D.

[godner]

I bought some of the old type today from a shop where the guy can get them marked as 'for industrial use', as factories have said that they still need to keep using them but I dunno what will happen there when they're phased out.

He seemed to be doing a lot of business and said he was bulk ordering them in, so I made a point of thanking him for stocking them.

I've mentioned this on another thread, sorry, can't think where.
There is an electrical specialist in my town who assures me that incandescent tungsten lamps will always be available because they are necessary for certain applications.

But he also said that the price will rocket (surprise, surprise).

[antiem]

I will hun, I most certainly will. I hve a stack in my attic and I gave away a pack to my neighbours whose little girl is plastered in excema..you guessed it, they still aren't using them. :(




Stupid post. Saving money is so much more important than yours and other peoples health of course. :rolleyes:

I didn't see these videos posted on this thread but worth a watch if you haven't seen them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVLa_tRslY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A55081TOlbQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kdvHUUDsJ0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOwyn-xVXV4&feature=related

Thank you for the vids, lovely! I'm wondering, they only talk about the CURLED ones.... does the information go for the normal shaped energy saving ones, too? :confused: I've got friends I'd like to give information about it but I don't see through it! lol Also, the thing about how dangerous it is when it breaks... Is there any official communication how to handle it? Because so far I've only heard rumours about it. And do they suggest different handling to the old light bulb?

All my love, Antiem

[huggybear]

Thanks for the link daria - I still don't understand the panic on the bulbs, which I've been using for years. :confused:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/apr/25/study-enviro-light-bulbs-can-cause-cancer/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-506082/Environmentally-friendly-light-bulbs-skin-cancer.html

[beldazar]

Thank you for the vids, lovely! I'm wondering, they only talk about the CURLED ones.... does the information go for the normal shaped energy saving ones, too? :confused: I've got friends I'd like to give information about it but I don't see through it! lol Also, the thing about how dangerous it is when it breaks... Is there any official communication how to handle it? Because so far I've only heard rumours about it. And do they suggest different handling to the old light bulb?

All my love, Antiem

Hi antiem, I have heard that the covered energy-saving bulbs are meant to be the better ones, I still wouldn't trust them though.

Official govwernment link,,

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/10/5-Tips-to-Conquer-Your-Winter-Blues-Now.aspx

Addressing the Safety Concerns About Full Spectrum Fluorescent Bulbs

There are some perceived problems with fluorescent full spectrum light bulbs, as they do contain a small amount of mercury, and they do emit small amounts of electromagnetic fields (EMF).

Mercury Exposure from CFL Bulbs –Mercury is a neurological toxin, and clearly something you’ll want to avoid at all costs. However, please understand that full spectrum bulbs pose no health hazard whatsoever as long as they are not broken.

Naturally, if you accidentally break one, you will have the challenge of cleaning it up properly to protect yourself and your family from exposure. For instructions on what to do if you were to break a bulb, please review, print out, and keep this EnergyStar fact sheet handy.

But perhaps the MOST significant issue many people fail to appreciate is that because CFL bulbs reduce energy consumption by as much as 75 percent, they also vastly reduce coal burning, which accounts for 55 percent of the energy production in the U.S.

Coal burning currently deposits 104 METRIC TONS of mercury into the air, each and every year. So by reducing the total energy consumption with these bulbs, the overall environmental mercury burden is significantly lowered.

Even if ALL CFL light bulbs sold during the year were broken and sent to a landfill instead of being recycled, they would release 0.13 metric tons of mercury into the environment, according to EnergyStar calculations.

Folks, that is a 1,000 FOLD difference, even in a worst case scenario.

Clearly, when you use these bulbs you will LOWER environmental mercury, and if you are cautious and responsible and return the bulbs to recycling centers like Home Depot, you can make that difference even more dramatic.

EMF Exposure from CFL Bulbs -- Full spectrum fluorescent bulbs do generate small amounts of electromagnetic fields, however these EMFs dissipate, much like the EMF from cell phones, within a few feet.

Essentially, my recommendation for “safe lamp use” would be the same as that for cell phones: use the speaker phone or an air tube headset, and keep your cell phone as far away from your body as possible. As long as you’re not sitting with a light bulb directly by your head, the risk to your health from these EMFs will be minimal to non-existent.

So, as you can see, these two primary concerns are really non-issues if you look at it more globally.

I hope you’ll find this information helpful, as it is important to have some simple and practical strategies to address common challenges like the winter blues, which strikes so many each and every year.

I firmly believe that when you implement the recommendations above, especially the high quality full-spectrum lights, you’ll see a dramatic improvement and be really pleased with the benefits.


Good luck! I hope you have more luck than I have had informing people of them :rolleyes:

[huggybear]

The mercury is not the entirety of the issue. A german study showed that they give off certain poisonous gases and that the light can cause skin cancer.

I remember the scientists saying that peoples heads should be well away from the bulbs when they get switched on

Their report advises that the bulbs should not be left on for extended periods, particularly near someone’s head, as they emit poisonous materials when switched on.

Peter Braun, who carried out the tests at the Berlin's Alab Laboratory, said: “For such carcinogenic substances it is important they are kept as far away as possible from the human environment.”

The bulbs are already widely used in the UK following EU direction to phase out traditional incandescent lighting by the end of this year.

But the German scientists claimed that several carcinogenic chemicals and toxins were released when the environmentally-friendly compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) were switched on, including phenol, naphthalene and styrene.

[hajj_3]

buy LED bulbs, you can get a 40w replacement (450 lumens) for around £3.50 delivered from china. I've got a 70w replacement (700-800 lumens) for £10.50 delivered, its fantastic.

CFL use dirty energy, this causes headaches, tiredness, seizures and many other things so its not just the mercury you need to watch out for.

[tzlr_17]

I think there is a diff type of light for that, plants, etc.. not sure, not an expert... but they are diff.

No, they're not.

[tzlr_17]

CFL use dirty energy, this causes headaches, tiredness, seizures and many other things so its not just the mercury you need to watch out for.

Dirty energy? It's the same electricity you use for everything else!

[christ4life]

I can't stand these lightbulbs either I stocked up already, and plan on using flashlights or candles. Saves the environment saves energy yeah right people will complain about environmental contamination once these are broken in trash cans because people won't recycle them. Our electric bill is not alot of money, and I didn't see a difference with trying them out before. What really saves money is when people turn off lights, and other appliances in rooms they are not in. People burn alot of electricity by leaving things on.

[snapdragon]

The CFL is a compact fluorescent light, it is just the same as the fluorescent tubes we have had since the 1950s, but bent around into a compact shape.

If you don't like them, continue to use tungsten lamps, gas lights or paraffin lanterns.

[pegasus77]

43 percent said the new bulbs lacked variety in terms of design and size.

WTF? they're light bulbs, they produce light, what more do you want

[phemohilia]

WTF? they're light bulbs, they produce light, what more do you want

Bells, whistles and a seat upgrade to Business Class. :D

[real6]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/303633/Now-the-EU-takes-dim-view-of-halogen-bulbs


BRITAIN faces a new round of lightbulb chaos with EU plans to ban halogen lights and force people to buy alternatives that are up to 12 times more expensive, experts warned yesterday.
The EU could phase out low-voltage halogen bulbs by as early as next year even though millions are used in shops, offices and the home.
The proposal is part of its Eco design agenda to cut energy use and greenhouse gas emissions. But even firms selling more efficient bulbs branded the approach “misguided”.
They said consumers face big bills for replacements and predicted a repeat of the chaos when the EU phased out traditional incandescent lightbulbs.
The threat is to 12V MR16s bulbs, which are widely used as directional spotlights. They currently cost about £2 each and are 30 per cent more efficient than old-style bulbs.
Axing them would force consumers to buy energy-saving bulbs or LEDs which last longer but can cost up to £25 each.
LED specialist Simon Leggett of OCG Lighting yesterday said: “Banning low-voltage halogens risks triggering the same problems during the incandescent bulb phase-out, with prices escalating as people stockpiled the outgoing bulbs in defiance of the ban.
This is typical of the EU. It is sensible to push for more environmentally friendly products but they haven’t thought it through.
Daily Express columnist Jasmine Birtles, founder of moneymagpie.com
“Of course, it’s vitally important that we move to energy efficient solutions but businesses and consumers need to see improvements in technology, and the benefit of investing in lighting for the long-term.”
Consumer Focus Energy director Audrey Gallacher said: “It will not be a popular decision with consumers if these lightbulbs are also to be phased out, as the upfront costs for alternative energy-saving bulbs are much more expensive.”
Daily Express columnist Jasmine Birtles, founder of moneymagpie.com, said: “This is typical of the EU. It is sensible to push for more environmentally friendly products but they haven’t thought it through.
“Replacing halogen with other bulbs may well require an electrician and even a carpenter to come out to change your fittings. This could be a nightmare for the elderly.”

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Ukip’s Paul Nuttall, said: “This is just another example of how the European Union interferes with every nook and cranny of our lives.”
The Department for Environment said the proposal was only a draft. A spokeswoman said: “The EU has proposed regulations that would set a minimum performance standard for some halogen bulbs.
“Negotiations on any new regulations are at an early stage and no decisions have been made.”
An EU spokesman said the proposal followed “in-depth technical and economic study and extensive consultation”. A switch to more efficient bulbs would save households up to £42 a year each and would reduce energy use by the equivalent of 11 million European households by 2020, he said.