Be careful ordering used books off Amazon. FBI is

[real6]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gz0slCB4SYJCVk2J3xbYHM6R55oAD8T66FAG0

Feds Cancel Amazon Customer ID Request

By RYAN J. FOLEY – 4 days ago

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Federal prosecutors have withdrawn a subpoena seeking the identities of thousands of people who bought used books through online retailer Amazon.com Inc., newly unsealed court records show.

The withdrawal came after a judge ruled the customers have a First Amendment right to keep their reading habits from the government.

"The (subpoena's) chilling effect on expressive e-commerce would frost keyboards across America," U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephen Crocker wrote in a June ruling.

"Well-founded or not, rumors of an Orwellian federal criminal investigation into the reading habits of Amazon's customers could frighten countless potential customers into canceling planned online book purchases," the judge wrote in a ruling he unsealed last week.

Seattle-based Amazon said in court documents it hopes Crocker's decision will make it more difficult for prosecutors to obtain records involving book purchases.

Crocker — who unsealed documents detailing the showdown against prosecutors' wishes — said he believed prosecutors were seeking the information for a legitimate purpose. But he said First Amendment concerns were justified and outweighed the subpoena's law enforcement purpose.

"The subpoena is troubling because it permits the government to peek into the reading habits of specific individuals without their knowledge or permission," Crocker wrote. "It is an unsettling and un-American scenario to envision federal agents nosing through the reading lists of law-abiding citizens while hunting for evidence against somebody else."

Federal prosecutors issued the subpoena last year as part of a grand jury investigation into a former Madison official who was a prolific seller of used books on Amazon.com. They were looking for buyers who could be witnesses in the case.

The official, Robert D'Angelo, was indicted last month on fraud, money laundering and tax evasion charges. Prosecutors said he ran a used book business out of his city office and did not report the income. He has pleaded not guilty.

D'Angelo sold books through the Amazon Marketplace feature, and buyers paid Amazon, which took a commission.

The initial subpoena sought records of 24,000 transactions dating back to 1999. The company turned over many records but refused to identify the book buyers, citing their First Amendment right to keep their reading choices private.

Prosecutors later narrowed the subpoena, asking the company to identify a sample of 120 customers.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel Graber dismissed First Amendment concerns in an April letter to the company. He said D'Angelo — not Amazon — was the seller and prosecutors needed proof he sold books online.

Crocker brokered a compromise in which the company would send a letter to the 24,000 customers describing the investigation and asking them to voluntarily contact prosecutors if they were interested in testifying.

Prosecutors said they obtained the customer information they needed from one of D'Angelo's computers they seized earlier in the investigation.

Crocker scolded prosecutors in July for not looking for alternatives earlier.

"If the government had been more diligent in looking for workarounds instead of baring its teeth when Amazon balked, it's probable that this entire First Amendment showdown could have been avoided," he wrote.

The company asked Crocker to unseal the records after D'Angelo was indicted last month. Crocker granted the request over the objections of federal prosecutors, who wanted them kept secret.

"Shining some sunlight on the instant dispute reassures the public that someone is watching the watchers, and that this district's federal prosecutors are part of the solution, not part of the problem," he wrote.

[jimijams]

Nowadays it's to be expected that everything you do online is monitored and recorded on data bases, there is no such thing as privacy online.

[soglad]

Yeah.........I should really get around to deleting my MySpace, Trig and Facebook pages...

Don't feel comfortable with 'em anymore!

[father ted]

The last book that I ordered was from amazon: Preston Nichol's The Music Of Time. When it came, the box had been opened, it was very obvious- it was still half open! They just couldn't be fucked I suppose.

[greenleaf]

and these people call others (like me) criminals for downloading via torrents and reading eBooks/Pdf files just to keep up with info ... I (and all other downloaders/freeloaders) know how illegal it is, but for one reason or another usually based on finances, we feel we still have a right to this knowledge.. after all.. no-ones starving cos we download the odd files.

Piratebay are already being attacked as i saw on last night BBC Switch program by the Swedish government.. but as they hold no files, they can't YET be done.. this is also about to change.
Around 2010 there is suspected to be an almighty internet crash (predicted be many analysts) due to bandwith and usage.. so companies and governments are getting scared and attempting to control every user to stick to their own limited useage.. claiming all sorts of disorders from PC use.

FBI & Federal Reserve are amongst them panicing most... most of the US don't realise that they don't have to fill out tax returns due to FR being investigated for fraud and other misused dealings... google N.E.S.A.R.A. (National Economic Security And Refermations Act) which was supposed to shut down the Fed Res. on Sept. 11th 2001 (but there was an accident that day in the building the files are held... WTC)...coincidence? (<< this info was learnt by watching Ian Lungold).. now new security measures are in place.. yet still no threat from anyone other than your own government.. so that part of the plan worked.. now to steel another 1.7trillion for black ops/false flag ops.

[real6]

and these people call others (like me) criminals for downloading via torrents and reading eBooks/Pdf files just to keep up with info ... I (and all other downloaders/freeloaders) know how illegal it is, but for one reason or another usually based on finances, we feel we still have a right to this knowledge.. after all.. no-ones starving cos we download the odd files.

Piratebay are already being attacked as i saw on last night BBC Switch program by the Swedish government.. but as they hold no files, they can't YET be done.. this is also about to change.
Around 2010 there is suspected to be an almighty internet crash (predicted be many analysts) due to bandwith and usage.. so companies and governments are getting scared and attempting to control every user to stick to their own limited useage.. claiming all sorts of disorders from PC use.

FBI & Federal Reserve are amongst them panicing most... most of the US don't realise that they don't have to fill out tax returns due to FR being investigated for fraud and other misused dealings... google N.E.S.A.R.A. (National Economic Security And Refermations Act) which was supposed to shut down the Fed Res. on Sept. 11th 2001 (but there was an accident that day in the building the files are held... WTC)...coincidence? (<< this info was learnt by watching Ian Lungold).. now new security measures are in place.. yet still no threat from anyone other than your own government.. so that part of the plan worked.. now to steel another 1.7trillion for black ops/false flag ops.





History Behind the National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA)

NESARA’s reformations are the main tools for implementing important US Supreme Court rulings made in January 1993 on several cases filed by farmers living in US Midwest and Mountain states areas against banks, specific government officials, certain judges, and others. Certain US Generals and Admirals were supportive of, and one General was co-plaintiff in, the Farmers’ Cases that went to the US Supreme Court. You may recall in the 1970’s and 1980’s there were news reports and documentaries about thousands of family farmers losing their farms to foreclosure. Willie Nelson has been doing Farm Aid concerts for years to help these farmers.

In the 1980’s some of the farmers investigated why there were so many bank foreclosures on their farms and discovered certain banks were fraudulently foreclosing on their farms. When these farmers turned to government officials for assistance and filed lawsuits against these banks, they learned certain government officials and judges were working in collusion with the banks. The farmers also learned that certain aspects of the current Federal Reserve banking system were unconstitutional and pursued their lawsuits through the Federal District Court in Denver and other locations. Some of the farmers involved in the lawsuits were harassed by the IRS and in turn investigated the IRS involvement with the bankers. After years of lawsuits, several of the farmers’ lawsuits reached the US Supreme Court including Baskerville and Foster v. Credit Bank of Wichita, Federal Land Bank, and First Interstate Bank of Fort Collins from the Denver Federal District Court. For simplicity, I call these cases at the US Supreme Court the "Farmers’ Cases".

In early 1993, the nine US Supreme Court judges ruled seven to two in favor of the farmers on all major issues including that the Federal Reserve Banking system was unconstitutional, that the US has been operating outside the Constitution since March 1933, that major reformations of government and our banking system are required, and that financial redress and remedies must be provided for financial losses due to bank fraud suffered by generations of Americans. The farmers involved certain very powerful US military Generals and Admirals in their cases. These Generals and Admirals made it clear to the US Supreme Court judges that they knew the farmers’ cases were righteous and watched in the courtroom as the US Supreme Court Judges heard the cases. The presence of the Generals and Admirals is why the majority of the judges felt they had to rule properly and in favor of the farmers. Because of the extraordinary nature of the necessary reformations, the Court sealed all court records and put all people directly involved under Non Disclosure agreements (gag orders) until the reformations are publicly and officially announced.

The Court had a duty to design and implement reformations to correct the injustices; therefore, the Court recruited experts in Constitutional Law, banking, economics, and monetary systems to work in task force groups to develop the needed reformations. During the two years these expert groups developed the reformations, irrefutable proof was provided to the US Supreme Court Judges that the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, the income tax amendment, had not been properly ratified. The Judges had no choice but to include abolishing income taxes in the reformations development process. It was also found that there had been a definite pattern of federal administrations and Congress ignoring the Constitution in laws passed since 1933. FDR took the US out of Constitutional Law when he declared a national banking emergency and amended the Trading with the Enemy Act in March 1933.

Constitutional Law experts working on government reformations determined that to end the pattern of blatant disregard for the Constitution, it would be necessary to require the sitting US administration and US Congress to resign when Constitutional Law is restored. Following completion of the development of the reformations, the Court appointed certain experts and others to a "committee" which has authority to manage the process of announcing and implementing the reformations.

Once the reformations were developed, the Court made half-hearted efforts to implement the reformations through an "Accords" agreement process with the Clinton administration. During that time, very little progress was made to implement the reformations. However quantities of the new US Treasury currency backed by gold were printed and shipped to certain banks in the US where the currency has sat in bank vaults for years awaiting the announcement of the reformations. When NESARA is announced, many more shipments of the new Treasury currency will be shipped to all banks in the US under guard by US military units.

During the years of the Accords process, the Court approved a "claims against the government process" (also known as Farm Claims or Bank Claims) which was meant to provide specific financial redress to Americans, however, various groups and individuals interfered with the claims process.

Finally in 1998, the powerful US military Generals and Admirals consulted with constitutional law experts regarding the lack of progress in getting the much-needed reformations implemented. The Generals, Admirals, and constitutional law experts all knew the US Supreme Court Judges were purposely stalling the reformations process. It was decided that the only other way to accomplish the crucial reformations was to compile all the needed reformations into a law and have the law passed by Congress. The National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA) containing required reformations was submitted to Congress in 1999 where it sat with little action for almost a year. Late one evening in March 2000, a written quorum call was hand-delivered by Delta Force and Navy SEALs to only members of the US Senate and the US House who were sponsors and co-sponsors of NESARA. The members were immediately accompanied by the Delta Force and Navy SEALs to their respective voting chambers where they passed the National Economic Security And Reformation Act.

The National Economic Security And Reformation Act provides the following, some of which will take place immediately after the official announcement of NESARA which is to be televised live from Washington, DC:

1. Restores Constitutional Law in the USA.

2. Requires the current US administration to resign their positions to allow a fresh start at the national level and installs Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new elections can take place within six months. Bush and Cheney will be resigning and the Cabinet and Appointees by the President, and all members of Congress must resign within 72 hours of NESARA’s announcement.

3. NESARA US President Designate declares "peace" because NESARA abolishes unconstitutional states of emergency.

4. As partial remedy for 100 years of government and banking fraud, credit card balances are zeroed out and bank debt relief is given to Americans for bank loans including mortgages, car loans, education loans, business loans, and other bank debt. Banks will be paid $9000 per each credit card account with a balance; these funds were raised in special revenue generating activities in Europe. NESARA requires other bank debts be made self-liquidating loans and US banks are instructed to use new high revenue generating processes to pay off Americans’ bank loans.

5. Initiates the US Treasury Bank System with new U.S. Treasury currency backed by precious metals. The Federal Reserve is abolished and Federal Reserve facilities and most personnel are absorbed into the Treasury Bank System. We will be exchanging our Federal Reserve notes, which are not backed by gold, for the US Treasury currency which is backed by gold. Many bank personnel have already been trained on NESARA and the new currency is already in some banks’ vaults.

6. Abolishes Income Taxes in US and creates a national sales tax on new, non-essential items as revenue for government. Essential items such as food and medicine, and used items are exempt from the sales tax.

The NESARA law requires that a minimum of one time each year, there must be an effort made to announce NESARA. Three current US Supreme Court judges control the committee in charge of NESARA’s announcement. The Judges have used their overall authority to secretly sabotage NESARA’s announcement; thus each year NESARA has been blocked from being announced.

This is why NESARA has not been announced: the people with the overall authority to order NESARA’s announcement are, in fact, blocking NESARA.

Due to the gag order on NESARA, it is difficult for true NESARA supporters to learn exactly what has happened to stop NESARA from being announced.

Investigating details with hundreds of people has yielded exactly what needs to be done to resolve key issues and bring NESARA to announcement. After learning what the "problems" related to NESARA are, I’ve researched deeply to find the "solutions" and those people who can carry out the solutions and bring NESARA to announcement.

In many ways, our country is facing the worst crisis of its history:

* More Americans are unemployed, drowning in debt, and living in poverty than anytime since World War II
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* Our government irresponsibly races to assume more debt on top of highest historical debts Our military lose their lives in battles for greedy corporations’ gains
* Our elections revolve around lies, bribery, and betrayals.

We do not hear "truth" in our media; the media is controlled by opponents of Americans and America’s Constitutional Law.

Some of our greatest Americans speak the truth of today’s America:

These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Thomas Paine, December 19, 1776

We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln

The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. …We have it in our power to begin the world over again. Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

Our Founding Fathers and Abraham Lincoln had true courage. Our Founding Fathers faced the reality of the tyranny by the English Crown and chose to put their lives on the line to gain freedom!

We Americans must now follow the lead of our Founding Fathers and restore America through resolving the problems blocking NESARA and bring NESARA to announcement! NESARA Now!

[real6]

The last book that I ordered was from amazon: Preston Nichol's The Music Of Time. When it came, the box had been opened, it was very obvious- it was still half open! They just couldn't be fucked I suppose.

Thats really funny you say that. Every week i ordered used books and movies. sometimes 1 book. sometimes 10 books. but they are almost always opened alittle. like to see whats in uit. plus i get alot of stuff overseas. and it happens there alot also. im like WTF MAN!!!! get out my shit...

[anoninnyc]

wonder what books are on their list

[whitenight639]

I bought a book off amazon last week, the first time id ever bought anything off there, however i paid by card so im sure they could find out what im reading anyway!

[gordonfreeman]

When I bought some used books, the Amazon boxes weren't half open. But they already know what I am reading right now.

[father ted]

Thats really funny you say that. Every week i ordered used books and movies. sometimes 1 book. sometimes 10 books. but they are almost always opened alittle. like to see whats in uit. plus i get alot of stuff overseas. and it happens there alot also. im like WTF MAN!!!! get out my shit...

Yeah, it seems like that, as mine was bent at the opening, as if they tried to jam their fingers through without breaking the masking tape, but maybe they used their own tape afterwards. If it was a smaller item, it could have slipped out of the box.

Interesting point someone bought up, since they already know what we buy through our cards, then what other reason for opening the package? Hmmm, I wonder... to smuggle drugs!? This way whoever's smuggling them won't get caught. This sort of practice has been in the news before, dealing with luggage handlers. It seems to be a common practice, and apparently the reason why so much luggage gets misplaced.

Whenever you get a package that was tampered with, see if there's a way to test wether there was any narcotics in it. Of course they would use air sealed bags and whatever else, but I wonder if there's a way.

It's also interesting how amazon burst onto the scene, and how highly it was publicised everywhere, news etc. and how quickly it grew.

[nextristan]

It's also interesting how amazon burst onto the scene, and how highly it was publicised everywhere, news etc. and how quickly it grew.

When do you mean it burst onto the scene? It was launched in '95, and things were pretty new back then as far as web browsers and such were concerned as I recall.

Amazon's initial business plan was unusual: the company did not expect to turn a profit for four to five years. In retrospect, the strategy was effective. Amazon grew at a steady pace in the late 1990s while many other Internet companies grew at a blindingly fast pace.

Amazon's "slow" growth caused a number of its stockholders to complain, saying that the company was not reaching profitability fast enough. When the Dot-com bubble burst and many e-companies went out of business, Amazon persevered and finally turned its first profit in the fourth quarter of 2002: a meager US$5 million, just 1¢ per share, on revenues of over US$1 billion, but it was important symbolically.

The firm has since remained profitable: net income was US$35.3 million in 2003, US$588.5 million in 2004, US$359 million in 2005, and US$190 million in 2006 (including a US$662 million charge on R&D in 2006). Nevertheless, the firm's cumulative profits remain negative. As of September 2007, the accumulated deficit stood at US$1.58 billion.

[father ted]

At one point it got a lot of publicity from the media, and it was said to be popular and making money all of a sudden, that is what I meant. This is from my perspective, from the media where I live.

[astral_girl]

Yeah.........I should really get around to deleting my MySpace, Trig and Facebook pages...

Don't feel comfortable with 'em anymore!

hello

i also feel the same-i deleted my face book
when it came to trying to delete myspace -i cant ive tryed several times.....it tells u that youll get an e mail -and u follow steps from there...but 4 times ive tryed now and nothing.

i deleted all the groups i was in -but still have comments on my page -i took all my pics off yet my pic is still up .........
any advice on this?

[misscpb]

I remember someone saying with regards to the types of books which may "Awaken" people, when they arrive scan them all over with a metal detector as objects are places covertly within the books like recording devices etc. I was not sure what to think of it at the time, and I didn't have a metal detector lol.

[adzboarder]

Yeah.........I should really get around to deleting my MySpace, Trig and Facebook pages...

Don't feel comfortable with 'em anymore!

As if that information will EVER be FULLY DELETED... highly unlikely, but go through the motions if it makes you feel better...

[real6]

I remember someone saying with regards to the types of books which may "Awaken" people, when they arrive scan them all over with a metal detector as objects are places covertly within the books like recording devices etc. I was not sure what to think of it at the time, and I didn't have a metal detector lol.

I wouldnt put it past them Miss Cpb

[kblood]

Ever seen the movie Seven? Well, it seems very true that the FBI is keeping an eye on peoples reading habits, and if they watch the library, then why not watch bookstores like Amazon as well?

I expect to be watched whenever I do anything, and it makes me smile that they bother. Must be a crappy job when having to look through the giant files they get on people, or at least on the people in their focus.

[pri01]

Yeah, it seems like that, as mine was bent at the opening, as if they tried to jam their fingers through without breaking the masking tape, but maybe they used their own tape afterwards. If it was a smaller item, it could have slipped out of the box.

Interesting point someone bought up, since they already know what we buy through our cards, then what other reason for opening the package? Hmmm, I wonder... to smuggle drugs!? This way whoever's smuggling them won't get caught. This sort of practice has been in the news before, dealing with luggage handlers. It seems to be a common practice, and apparently the reason why so much luggage gets misplaced.

Whenever you get a package that was tampered with, see if there's a way to test wether there was any narcotics in it. Of course they would use air sealed bags and whatever else, but I wonder if there's a way.

It's also interesting how amazon burst onto the scene, and how highly it was publicised everywhere, news etc. and how quickly it grew.

I don't know wether this would cause you to think otherwise but, I have family who work for Royal Mail and from discussions, I have learned that they have casual staff working at heavy times of use. Casual staff, by definition, do not hold much allegance with their sub-employer. They are casual and therefore they have a casual approach. It's not therefore unreasonable to suggest that the tampering of packages might be an opportunistic event. Not as interestening or conspiritary as we would like to think I'm afraid. Sorry:)

[father ted]

I remember someone saying with regards to the types of books which may "Awaken" people, when they arrive scan them all over with a metal detector as objects are places covertly within the books like recording devices etc. I was not sure what to think of it at the time, and I didn't have a metal detector lol.


I do, I should check the books:eek:

[misscpb]

lol check them and let us all know

[drhemp]

I'm so grateful I don't live in the United State of Freemasons/Fascism/America.

Such a shame that where I do live, we have politicians like Gordon Brown who would like to see Britain become a Police State similar to the USA.

[real6]

IM TIRED OF THIS FUCKING SHIT!!!

I ordered some speakers brand new from Amazon on monday and just got them. Low and behold. The whole fucking package is open!!!!
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!

Im tired of this shit. This bullshit Patriot Act Bullshit!!!

Cant even order products online without some asshole from amazon or usps or whoever looking thru your shit!!!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR:mad:

[lizzy]

Yeah.........I should really get around to deleting my MySpace, Trig and Facebook pages...

Don't feel comfortable with 'em anymore!
yup, it is sad when we feel the need to self censor ourselves.
But it is wise unfortunarely.
I am even wondering how safe it is to talk here and that is really sad.
If it is electronic , it is watched.
lizzy.

[adzboarder]

Paranoia, how the fuck can they listen to all of us - fuck em!

Recently from my library over the last 6 months i have borrowed and read

Icke - The biggest secret
Icke - Tales from the timeloop
The Grand Chessboard
The Family Rothschild
Failed States

and I have Crossing the Rubicon (Mike Ruppert) on reserve, will I ever get to see this? I've been waiting nearly a year...

...and several Chris Ryan fictional (yet interesting) war books

They must be having a fucking field day down at Echelon HQ over that lot.

Have no fear, since when is reading books and surfing the net been a crime?

[john white]

Paranoia, how the fuck can they listen to all of us - fuck em!

Recently from my library over the last 6 months i have borrowed and read

Icke - The biggest secret
Icke - Tales from the timeloop
The Grand Chessboard
The Family Rothschild
Failed States

and I have Crossing the Rubicon (Mike Ruppert) on reserve, will I ever get to see this? I've been waiting nearly a year...

...and several Chris Ryan fictional (yet interesting) war books

They must be having a fucking field day down at Echelon HQ over that lot.

Have no fear, since when is reading books and surfing the net been a crime?

Echelon + Super Crays= no problem

Its all down to computational power

But the PTB have been snooping on reading habits for decades

After all, they need to know if the conditioning is taking or needs re-inforcing

Same as "opinion polls": are the peoples opinions the "correct" opinions that we have given them, or are they forming their own?